The only truly 'good' Shiki was the nurse. She never killed anyone and starved herself to save her friend. In the end, she was murdered anyway, which shows how life is unfair in some regards.
The others only killed for the sake of survival, just like what the humans were doing. Are lions and tigers 'bad' for killing zebra for food rather than starving?
No I don't think they were bad to kill for survival, that's why I put inverted commas around the _good_. This show does a fantastic job of making you question morals, though.
Stephanie Smith Oh I see. Many people claim that the Shiki are evil or the humans are evil when it's neither. The way they made to where neither side is completley in the wrong is what I like so much about it.
omniXenderman I didn't like Megumi but her death was rather harsh. Though I knda wanted to see Kaori kill her. But ys I wish more characters that liked survived. Like Tatsumi, Tohru, Ritsuko, Natsuono Nao ect.
And that's the biggest crime that any of the Shiki could've committed... It's worse than their campaign of mass of genocide... *Not being sarcastic at all*
Everybody is talking about who was evil, who was right and who was wrong.. and I'm just sitting here thinking: woah... Those are some weird clothes Tatsumi is wearing...
Just throwing my two cents out there: I think the humans were justified in killing the Shiki because it was for survival, I think the Shiki are justified in attacking humans because it is for survival, the only people not justified are specifically Sukano, and the other Shiki that moved to the village, because they attacked people not out of necessity but selfishness. In the end I think all the villagers were victims of the original Shiki that moved to the village, sukano and the Shiki that moved to the village are the villains and no one else. I get frustrated seeing people lump all the Shiki together when there is clearly a distinct difference between those who kill to live and those who kill out of selfishness
i agree, the villagers were the victims. The shiki drove them to insanity and survival. The villagers may have been too violent and paranoid but like i said, who drove them to be like that in the first place???? exactly. I wish every mf who caused all of this mess died before they started the greatest tragedy.
Sukano had her reason. It was her intention to turn this village into the only safe haven for the Shiki, where they can live free among each other without having to hide, to be scared. To do that they had to make a substaintial amount of Shiki by killing the villagers to take over the village, after that they could go outside to feed just enough without having to kill anyone. Then their society would become a sustainable and free one. It was a life running and hiding for hundred of years, being rejected and chased, that drived her to that decision, as her words implied "Chizuru... it must have hurt... to be hated, to be rejected." From her perspective, it's totally understandable.
I expected her to say "Chizuru, it must have hurt ...", meaning the physical pain. "to be hated, to be rejected" ... emotionally meant. When she said that, I could understand the Shiki more and more...it made me so sad
both sides were evil and good at the same time. the shikis were gone on a full killing rampage mostly for turning the village and less for hunger. The humans became way too brutal and feelingless in the shiki purge, when they could have simply killed them quickly.
Are you kidding me... The villagers were minding their business until a couple of Shiki showed up and began murdering the population. They are parasitic in nature since Humans are their only food source. The humans cannot be judged for their measures of killing the Shiki. They killed them as fast as a wooden stake and hammer could go. When they ran out, they resorted to the sun. In general, the humans are not at fault for defending themselves.
+Chucking Reaper i see your point, but, for example, killing people who were innocents (the folks from the temple and other people) wasn't justified with self-defense... i think tgey got mad at the end
The core idea of survival isn't selfish. But when it comes to surviving or doing the right choice, this bitch Sunako clearly was self centered and selfish. I don't see Ritsuko eating her friend even though she was starving to death. She saw with clear eyes and cried about rising. To drink blood was a curse and hurt those around her goes against everything she stood for. Would you bite your friends and families and curse them to the same existence? Would you risk them dying if they didn't rise? Sunako played on the shiki's feelings and brought grief and destruction. The world would have been truly better without her. She caused hundreds of death throughout the years and Seishin should have burned with her. He was a hypocritical pathetic monk that saved no one besides a mass murderer. Oh and he killed someone but then rolled his eyes at his friends who had to sacrifice everything to save the village. He was a coward who ran away from his role and from those who trusted him. They're both selfish and can rot for all I care.
Centrist 922 Learn to read. Ritsuko needed to kill her coworker to survive. Did she do it? NO. She chose to die. Look at Natsuno. He turned into a werewolf but he put himself in danger and chose to fight with everything he had to get rid of the shiki because he could see how wrong their existence was. Did he choose survival? NO. He didn't even let himself drink blood. The whole presentation of the anime was whether you choose yourself and your wishes, or that of the world. Nao failed by killing off her entire family because she was lonely. Sunako failed because with her BS plan they would have eventually ran out of blood and killed off the entire planet or get themselves wiped out anyways when the epidemic gets out of control. Her justification would have gotten her slapped in the face by all those who chose death to protect their loved ones and family. This is not white or black it's picking the right choice no matter how hard the decision is. When dr. Ozaki had to experiment on his wife, many would think that's evil but he's doing it to save the people of his village no matter how hard it is for him. That's literal grey, moron. By the way if I had to choose between surviving or wiping out the entire planet, I wouldn't be picking the latter.
Survival IS selfish if it's at the expense of other people. That is indisputable. It is by the definition of selfish. What you mean to say, is that being selfish is not always wrong.
Seeing Sunako care about her fellow Shiki and staying in order to protect them combined with her grief over Chizuru's death is part of why I like her despite the fact that I feel that she shouldn't have come to the village and start turning people into Shiki. If I were a Shiki, I'd gladly follow her and regard her as an angel that just happens to walk in darkness through no fault of her own.
I honestly don't think a village of Shiki would have lasted in the long run; too many predators grouped together, not enough food in the area, and people would start to notice the disappearances. The village would have been discovered eventually and the Shiki would have been exposed. Tatsumi revealed (at least in the manga) that he didn't think the village would have lasted. An ecosystem must never have higher numbers of predators than prey or it all falls into chaos, which is what he wanted.
There was no light and dark side, no good or bad, only grey. It all depended on who you sympathized with more. The Shiki did what they did to survive and so did the humans. What’s interesting however, is that in the end only one side actually enjoyed and killed for fun and cruelly and that was the humans. The shiki never enjoyed killing, they wanted everyone they fed from to possibly live.
Sounds like you're saying they are in a relationship. A man on his 30's maybe, with a 12 years old (Physically) and they're dating. He must be a loli lover, then.
Unfortunately Sunako and her gang got greedy. They didn't just want blood but the entire town as well and the people as food. You wanna be someone else's dinner?! Think about it. How long do you think her mother would last and how do you she would last? In that episode, one shiki even killed his granddaughter and grandson! That is truly monstrous!
Does everyone forget the shiki can't survive without blood. Sunako wasn't turned into a shiki of her own will she had no choice in the matter. At that age yea I wouldn't want to kill myself because some monster came out of nowhere and turned me into something I'm not. I agree she didn't need to come into their village and start turning random people into shiki, but they weren't exactly turned of their own will either. Both sides are fighting for survival ( some more brutal than others ), but when you think about it they're fighting for the same thing. Despite your opinion I do feel sorry for the shiki, and even worse for the humans because they became the very thing they were fighting against. Monsters
They started this and even if they needed blood, it did not give them the right to kill or turn others into shiki as well. As they dined, the villagers were in grief. They didn't do anything to them till the truth came out. That enraged the villagers especially after the fact that all this time, they were the cause of so many deaths.
" visiting them constantly" Well yeah, a bitch has got to eat. "she had just risen" I don't know how accurate that is, but I'll concede. "The spread is not usually exponential." That brings up a good point.
"responsible for protecting the whole village?" As a resident of the village, and maybe as a human being in general maybe? I hated him for that too, but he had to do it, the least he could have done is apologized so she wouldn't be so clueless.
This is a sad moment but I think the 2 saddest moments were Tohru crying as he devoured Natsuno and the scene where Sunako and Seishin were in the basement and Sunako was crying saying that the only reason she did the things she did was because she didn't want to die. She really is a misunderstood character.
Personally, I always thought that the saddest moment in the anime was the last 8 minutes of episode 20.5. I don't know why I feel so sorry for Nao, since she murdered her in laws, along with her son and husband. Perhaps it's because she just wanted to be with her family, and now will never be able to, in this life or the next. Maybe it's because of how much she regrets killing her family. Either way, Nao was probably the only reason I started feeling for the shiki at all. If it wasn't for her, I most likely wouldn't care.
Oh yeah Nao's death an despair was up there to. It mentally disturbed me watching them tied up and being exposed to the sunlight. I also felt really bad for Ozaki, Sunako and Tohru.
Yeah. It saddens me that any shiki I felt bad for ended up dying (well, Sunako didn't die, though I'm not 100% sure if I feel bad for her yet). Some shiki I don't care about, like Masao (in fact, I hated him), but it's shiki like Nao and Tohru that I think need a hug.
I hated Megumi worse than Masao but yes, Nao, Tohru and Natsuno should have survived. I'm glad Sunako and Seishin did at least. Sunako was just like the others. She didn't like having to kill but she had to in order to survive. She probably didn't show as much reluctants and grief at that point because she's been a Shiki for 80 years and accepting the fact and not wallowing in self hatred for living is something she managed to due though towards the end she expressed her sadness.
Misaka Imouto For Sunako, I'm still weighing the scales on whether I feel for her or not. Seishin is my 2nd favorite character, my 1st being Nao. With him able to be with the shiki as a human, I wondered if coexistence could have been an option. Natsuno literally wanted to die and blew himself up, so I don't really feel for him. At least he got what he wanted (well, some of it, but he also wanted all the shiki dead, so...) Don't get me wrong, Megumi deserves to rot in Hell, but character wise, she was ok, which is the only thing that keeps me from completely hating her. I was kinda surprised that anyone could hate a character more than Masao. I just wanted to rip him in half. He's a little whiney baby that gets a kick out of trying to make others feel bad. Tohru and Nao, if I ever saw them crying because of what they did, I'd go up and hug them... well, maybe I'd ask them to not bite my neck first, I would prefer if I could stay alive as a human.
It's only natural that both sides would try to survive. It's nature of course but I still say the vampires had it coming more. They both murdered but who started it? The shiki. They'll get no sympathy for me.
Nope she had it coming after threatening him again and again. She also humiliated him. When he turned the tables on her, she wasn't so arrogant anymore. In the end, she pleaded for her life like a coward.
The shikis were the ones who started this mess. Killing people night after night. If that wasn't enough they planned to take over the village and make slaves out of them. That really was the last straw and that's why the humans went ballistic in killing them.
Same here. Even if the village burned down, the villagers will rebuild it. If they were strong enough to get rid of the shiki, they are strong enough to build what was destroyed. My favorite character was Sadafumi because he led the fight in the pipeline.
Like I said already, the Shiki started this mess in the first place! They weren't going to stop and their greed would make take another village and another! They could've tried to co-exist w/o killing anyone but they didn't. The urge to kill was too strong and remember they sliced Ozaki's mother's throat and killed. That was an act of pure murder and if Sunako ordered that, then she isn't as innocent as she seems.
Wake up. The suggestion of coexistence is a naive pipe dream of those that refuse to acknowledge humanity's darker and more dominant side and traits. To this day, humanity is utterly incapable of getting its own house in order and is continually laying the groundwork to create situations where they'd tear each other apart at a moment's notice for the slightest misstep. If humanity is so incompetent that it can't even coexist with itself peacefully, then there's no way in hell it can be qualified to coexist with a non-human species.
Having a decent-sized coterie and doing partial feedings on the nearby cities would have been enough. Pure murder? That was 1. How many did the kine do?
Nah I've never felt sad for her, ofc I understand her but she was the VILLAIN It's like if I'd have leprosy and I would have been banished by my people, I'd feel so alone, sad and angry that I would start infecting everyone in order to they be able of understand me and not feeling sad and alone anymore. What kind of logic is that? SUFFER LIKE ME TO UNDERSTAND ME that's so egoistic. I mean, she knew how terrible was to be a shiki and what she does? Yes transform people into shiki (and crossfingers bc some of them didn't came back to life) And that's exactly why Natsuno claimed, "YOU DIDN'T GIVE THEM A CHOICE", yeah bc she pushed all the new shikis to become assassins. And that's why I loved the nurse character she was so strong and even when she was so hungry she didn't try anything, and tried to save her friend instead. In the end, Sunako is not a misunderstood character she is a villain that doesn't want to recognize what she is, and the same goes to the monk. 2 hypocrites that deserved "a Berserk death"
In shiki there is no thing like purely good or purely evil. Not even Megumi was absolutely evil. An annoying, bad mouthed, spoiled, egocentric nuisance of a brat yes. But not absolutely evil
Lmao she even isnt like that, the anime just made her that way because they needed actually entertaining characters and the only way to do that was to make her bitchy
The Shiki chose to kill humans in order to create more Shiki, Tooru proved they don't need to when he fed on Natsuno without killing him The Shiki were evil
First of all, they ran out of stakes and they were already from fighting and killing 24 hours straight! Secondly the humans acted that way not only out of vengeance but to protect their loved ones. Thirdly, the humans had to call on all their resolve to go down and the end threat that the shikis started, they had no choice and that was an act of defense because they won't put up with the shiki who've done enough damage. They didn't want to do it while the shikis urges overrided their morals.
To put this in an idea that I can comprehend I tend to compare it to scenarios from WWII, you feel sorry for the Russians during that start because of what the Germans are inflicting upon them, but then the spectrum gets flipped and you start feeling sorry for the Germans because the Russians are doing much worse things, but then you take a step back and see that if it wasn't for the Germans starting the whole thing, this wouldn't have happened, this scenario can be applied to this show here.
Newell Joseph Germany didn't start everything, it all started with the assassination of archduke Ferdinand. The two situations are not comparable, and also filled with propaganda.
I was talking about the actions of Nazi Germany and there involvement during WWII I was not stating historical facts, I was making a comparison to the actions during the war as compared to the actions in the series. Read my statement more carefully and you'll see that I'm only talking about the Germans fighting the Russians during World War II not the whole genesis of historical events.
NeonNuki He was referring to the German/Soviet conflict the second World War, not the start of WWI. I think it's a decent analogy. Of course the situations don't line-up perfectly, but it highlights the main conflict. The Germans struck the USSR first, and the Soviet soldiers committed a number of atrocities in formerly occupied German territories.
You know, Durarara is kinda similar in story telling of this anime, thought the style and topic are different, these both are really good, and similar!
+Waranger5 Oh. I wonder what a hybrid of all three would be like. What would they feed on? What would be their name? What would be their weaknesses? Could you kill them? If so, what would it take to kill them? Would they have any type of supernatural abilities? Would they survive the purge in the village? So many questions!
+Waranger5 Maybe, Coz they're a hybrid of 3 different creatures, they would have three "lives". And, in order to kill them the first time, you had to shoot them specifically in the center of the forehead with a singular silver bullet blessed by a holy priest. Then, in order to end their second life, you had to stab them with a wooden stake, LEAVE THE STAKE IN THEM, then slice off their head, and limbs, and burn them with fire created from specifically golfer wood (IN THAT EXACT ORDER WITH THOSE EXACT SPECIFICATIONS). And finally, in order to end their 3rd life, after they have resurrected from their 2nd life, all you have to do is behead them. But, killing a hybrid and ending either of their lives would be very difficult, since their flesh, organs, and muscles have hyper elasticity, and every bone in their body was 10x harder than diamond. Let's also make their bones be completely hollow and light, enabling the hybrids to move quickly and nimbly. And they will have accelerated healing.
@@treehann I finished Death Note first. I was looking for something similar and found it. I am somewhat disturbed by blood but the story seemed interesting. And these 2 animes are perfect! They are a bit haunting like. They make you question your thoughts and how humanity or human nature is awful. Even the Shikis experienced emotions which really made you feel pity and anger for both in some way.
The humans were going about their lives and didn't even bother or accuse the shiki of anything when the deaths. It was only when Ozaki exposed them that they were angry because they didn't die of disease but had their blood drained. Would you let drain the blood of your mother or father or siblings? I wouldn't.
neither side is evil. In the end, Humans and Shiki wanted to survive, and were scared. The humans just forgot at one point, the shiki they were killing were once they're friends
If it were me I'd only assume demons possessed their corpses and took on their appearance because no loved one of mine would willingly take the life of another so brazenly. The humans were justified, the shiki were 99.9% evil (Ritsuko and Kyouko included as the 0.1%). The Shiki did simply want to exist but did the justify casual murder? And upon your friends and family too boot? Add up all the deaths and you hit enough numbers to effortlessly equal genocide. But yeah, I guess the Shiki causing genocide which would've become a holocaust had they won isn't evil at all *sarcasm*
he suppose to be a doctor, a healer, a medicine man, a helper to everyone, but instead he turns in to a killer, he doesn't see the shiki as human but monsters that doesn't resemble anything like when they was human and believes they will trick you in to thinking they are the same person * which we know they are* i think the NHS would love to have ozaki for a doctor, they'd love him because the NHS likes to make errors and give false info, ozaki gets to the point and kills people
The monk invited the shiki there and it was his family who paid for it. They were so angry that they wanted to get rid of the shiki but monk and his father turned a blind eye to their feeding. Sadly, they paid the price.
My favourite anime, but it has some huge logical flaws. I never really got the idea that they're two totally different race. Everybody acts like a true human, because that's what they were: humans and former humans. Before the Kirishikis they lived together as family/friends/neighbours, so the "it's like humans and pigs" example from Tohru felt so false and untrue. At first i sided more with the villagers at the end i thought both crews are screwed, maybe the villagers were more reasonable a little. On the other hand i don't know what Sunako thought through the whole time: constantly attacking the villagers, destroying families and friendships, and truly assuming after they rise they want to be friends with her and Tatsumi? WTF? It's like somebody sees me as an enemy, tries to eliminate or force a change on me, and after the change is "successful" she truly waiting for i would change my mind immediately and consider her and the others as a family / friends. Girl, you're delusional. :D I remember even Natsuno found this mentality an absurd BS and told this to Tatsumi.
Is just an anime show, not real life. I am glad that REAL Vampires are not real (SO FAR, APPARENTLY)for they could add even more brutality to our already violent human world.
I agree with you on the skeechy part! Besides Tohru told Natsuno that it just about getting blood to feed! It was also their predatory instinct that made attack people. It was not enough for them to find food but also to satisfy that need to unleash their animal instincts!
If a person commits a crime, by law we catch and punish that person. Sunako only cared about food. The only time they punish is when a new shiki like Ritsuko refuses to kill. As for caring the villagers didn't to see anymore of their own die so they fought back. People care about each other or they wouldn't be enraged at the shikis' acts.
OK, now I'm really confused. Should we feel sorry for the shiki who are being brutally killed by the humans, or cheer for the humans fighting for survival? I was pro-shiki, but now that girl seemed psychotic. "This village is almost dead." Who the hell says that?!
Watch the first part of anime. When those fuckers are acting so smug, when they're slowly invading and felling "oh so superior". And then watch again them crying and pleading for mercy when suddelny odds are against them. I had no problem with chosing sides.
Tasorius Not really, this anime really wasnt black and white. At the start of it vampires seemed to be evil creatures but as the story progressed we find out that the humans are as bad if not worse than the vampires. This is one of the most grey animes that I have seen, an aspect that I definetly enjoyed.
Tasorius No. The humans were just mad because you know. The vampires did kill half of their loved ones and then planned on killing them next. Not saying the humans were in the right though. This anime just showed what had to be done for survival. Vampires drank human blood to live, humans killed vampires so they wouldn't die. Some of the humans even killed the vampires in humane ways
Dexter Perry It's like they have an illness that strengthen their instincts, and makes them unable to resist killing humans. Megumi's death for example, showed what the humans who were left had become.
He had no choice. If he let her go she would prey on ,more innocent people. Since they kept on killing he had to find out how to fight them. The shikis don't have a license to kill or feed.; Even if they were exposed they still would feed.
As I've said before, we police our own and if a human commits a crime, then we punish that human. Shikis do not. We do not live by urges alone cause if that was the case there would be no order nor would there be any respect of rights of others.
I feel he could of at least explained and apologized a little, but I imagined he was trying to distance himself from her as much as possible to avoid being biased.
I think alot of people failed to realize that seishin and sunoko escaped the village and with both pf them being shiki now perhaps they will increase their numbers once more? Maybe even a sequel :0?
As I've said before, I don't bother other people so don't bother me. I'm not perfect but I will not get what I need let alone what I want at the expense of others! The shiki didn't care about the people they killed. As I've said before, it wasn't just hunger but the urge to kill. As for co-existence, they could've found a way but didn't and hence were a threat. They even killed children and laughed about it. When the tables turned, they ran like cowards. I don't pity them at all.
Chizuru had it coming. She and the others turned Megumi and Nao into shikis. She tormented Ozaki until Ozaki turned the tables on her. Remember the one that killed was Takeo who was Megumi's father. After finding her daughter's killer, what do you expect his reaction would be?! He still grieved for his daughter and now that the killer was there, I don't blame him.
Even lions respect their prey and the analogy of nature doesn't apply to them because they donot respect their food source. Everything they did was premediated and the fact that they can still reason means they can tell good from bad. The doctor tortured his wife because he had no choice. He had to find their weakness before they took over the whole village.
The only reason Ozaki performed those test is because they wouldn't stop killing so he needed to find out more about them. The fact that they were harassing Kaori and her friend as well as Ozaki proved that they weren't just hungry but were also bullies. Do you think it was easy for him to do that? Muroi was worse as he turned his back on the villagers. If killing people who didn't do anything to you just to survive is their logic then it's pretty twisted and selfish logic.
she loved that family she was with bc her birth family were alcoholics and didn't treat her right so she was happy when she married into her husbands family and when she became a shiki she got all of them hoping they would rise up as a shiki like she was and live forever happily not jealousy
It doesn't matter if they drain them to death, I'm telling you it's no different from how humans kill animals for food and many other things. And it's not like humans are only guilty ones many animals kill each other to survive. And at least most of the ones who were kill had a chance to get a second life.
I'm not saying they don't NEED to drain blood to survive. I'm saying they don't need to drain them to death. It's said in series that a person would need several Shiki feedings at once to die from it, one of the reasons they do so is because Sanuko and Tatsumi MAKE them do it to such an extent. Sanuko's plan fell apart because she didn't bother to try and teach them some measure of moderation, she had them drain people to death instead of only taking "Just Enough".
thank you, you know what else - in the series the shiki was still them selfs like when they was human * same personalities, noone controlling them and still them selfs * the doctor just saw them as monsters, no remorse for experimenting on hes wife or for hes mothers death he was unstable and a Psychopath, at least the monk tried to understand them and make peace, the doctor installed fear, hate and paranoia in the villagers the shiki was drinking blood in order to live like we do with animals
That's why they had to die. They were a threat to every human. Tatsumi was cruel and vicious to his victims. He enjoyed seeing suffer. How could you co-exist what?
In real life good people won't stand by and watch others die! The shiki started this and humans ended it because they didn't more people to fall victim to these blood suckers who only cared about their hunger..
The doc torturing his wife gave them a major advantage getting rid of the shiki. Both sides are fair game. I wonder how wrong you'd think it would have been for a shiki to kill you or someone you know.
The only truly 'good' Shiki was the nurse. She never killed anyone and starved herself to save her friend. In the end, she was murdered anyway, which shows how life is unfair in some regards.
The others only killed for the sake of survival, just like what the humans were doing.
Are lions and tigers 'bad' for killing zebra for food rather than starving?
No I don't think they were bad to kill for survival, that's why I put inverted commas around the _good_. This show does a fantastic job of making you question morals, though.
Stephanie Smith Oh I see. Many people claim that the Shiki are evil or the humans are evil when it's neither. The way they made to where neither side is completley in the wrong is what I like so much about it.
i wanted megumi to get away.....about blew a fuse when they killed her like that.....hated the way the series ended
omniXenderman I didn't like Megumi but her death was rather harsh. Though I knda wanted to see Kaori kill her. But ys I wish more characters that liked survived. Like Tatsumi, Tohru, Ritsuko, Natsuono Nao ect.
Wow Tatsumi talk about a fashion disaster...
IKR
Yoshi Taka ikr I was like *"nigga wtf are you wearing?"*
And that's the biggest crime that any of the Shiki could've committed... It's worse than their campaign of mass of genocide... *Not being sarcastic at all*
Yoshi Taka and we goung to now
lol yeah
The Japanese voice acting of this anime is godlike.
Everybody is talking about who was evil, who was right and who was wrong.. and I'm just sitting here thinking: woah... Those are some weird clothes Tatsumi is wearing...
+XionNobodyGirl hahaha same here :)
I agree XD
LOL 😂
ikr but I was thinking about the dark circles under his eyes
that boy is wearing booty shorts
The only bad guy here was the dude who bit Sunako.
Lolz
+Nisska Gowrie o the foreigner lol
eric23443219091 and those were the origins of xenophobia
+ousou78 he was a jinrou according to the wikia
Daniel Reyes yeah because he was out in the sun
Just throwing my two cents out there: I think the humans were justified in killing the Shiki because it was for survival, I think the Shiki are justified in attacking humans because it is for survival, the only people not justified are specifically Sukano, and the other Shiki that moved to the village, because they attacked people not out of necessity but selfishness. In the end I think all the villagers were victims of the original Shiki that moved to the village, sukano and the Shiki that moved to the village are the villains and no one else.
I get frustrated seeing people lump all the Shiki together when there is clearly a distinct difference between those who kill to live and those who kill out of selfishness
i agree, the villagers were the victims. The shiki drove them to insanity and survival. The villagers may have been too violent and paranoid but like i said, who drove them to be like that in the first place???? exactly. I wish every mf who caused all of this mess died before they started the greatest tragedy.
I’m glad someone gets it
Sukano had her reason. It was her intention to turn this village into the only safe haven for the Shiki, where they can live free among each other without having to hide, to be scared. To do that they had to make a substaintial amount of Shiki by killing the villagers to take over the village, after that they could go outside to feed just enough without having to kill anyone. Then their society would become a sustainable and free one.
It was a life running and hiding for hundred of years, being rejected and chased, that drived her to that decision, as her words implied "Chizuru... it must have hurt... to be hated, to be rejected." From her perspective, it's totally understandable.
I expected her to say "Chizuru, it must have hurt ...", meaning the physical pain. "to be hated, to be rejected" ... emotionally meant. When she said that, I could understand the Shiki more and more...it made me so sad
You know you did it right when to this day there are still countless people arguing over if the vampires were good or not. best anime i have watched
This anime is everything.
I miss this so much..
Saaaameee
Ikr
Same
Same...
both sides were evil and good at the same time.
the shikis were gone on a full killing rampage mostly for turning the village and less for hunger.
The humans became way too brutal and feelingless in the shiki purge, when they could have simply killed them quickly.
Both are bad at the same time
+MopeTheDope exactly
+LittleKLas Right!
Are you kidding me...
The villagers were minding their business until a couple of Shiki showed up and began murdering the population. They are parasitic in nature since Humans are their only food source.
The humans cannot be judged for their measures of killing the Shiki. They killed them as fast as a wooden stake and hammer could go. When they ran out, they resorted to the sun.
In general, the humans are not at fault for defending themselves.
+Chucking Reaper i see your point, but, for example, killing people who were innocents (the folks from the temple and other people) wasn't justified with self-defense... i think tgey got mad at the end
Can we all just agree that Tatsumi rocks all those weird outfits he wore across the anime
Sunako's voice is adorable
she is madoka and the blonde from vampire bund
@@alansakatagintoki007 Both Mina Tepes from Dance in the Vampire Bund and Krul Tepes from Seraph of the End.
I’ve just realized Tatsumi’s voice is that of OBITO UCHIHA of Naruto
Woah amazing obito is my favorite character Rip obito
"You have to torture them to death?"
I found them letting them burn in the sun wrong too. They were once human and deserve some pity for that.
were, they could also drink once and change human. They didn't need to kill them.
屍鬼懐かしい、いまでもめちゃ好き
The core idea of survival isn't selfish. But when it comes to surviving or doing the right choice, this bitch Sunako clearly was self centered and selfish. I don't see Ritsuko eating her friend even though she was starving to death. She saw with clear eyes and cried about rising. To drink blood was a curse and hurt those around her goes against everything she stood for. Would you bite your friends and families and curse them to the same existence? Would you risk them dying if they didn't rise?
Sunako played on the shiki's feelings and brought grief and destruction. The world would have been truly better without her. She caused hundreds of death throughout the years and Seishin should have burned with her. He was a hypocritical pathetic monk that saved no one besides a mass murderer. Oh and he killed someone but then rolled his eyes at his friends who had to sacrifice everything to save the village. He was a coward who ran away from his role and from those who trusted him. They're both selfish and can rot for all I care.
Sunako was a human. Humans struggle to survive. You talk a big game but if you needed to kill to survive, you would be no different than Sunako
You miss the basic point of the series.
You think in moral absoultes. White and black. Good and bad. No in between.You're naive and childish moral code show you're immaturity.
Centrist 922 Learn to read. Ritsuko needed to kill her coworker to survive. Did she do it? NO. She chose to die. Look at Natsuno. He turned into a werewolf but he put himself in danger and chose to fight with everything he had to get rid of the shiki because he could see how wrong their existence was. Did he choose survival? NO. He didn't even let himself drink blood.
The whole presentation of the anime was whether you choose yourself and your wishes, or that of the world. Nao failed by killing off her entire family because she was lonely. Sunako failed because with her BS plan they would have eventually ran out of blood and killed off the entire planet or get themselves wiped out anyways when the epidemic gets out of control. Her justification would have gotten her slapped in the face by all those who chose death to protect their loved ones and family.
This is not white or black it's picking the right choice no matter how hard the decision is. When dr. Ozaki had to experiment on his wife, many would think that's evil but he's doing it to save the people of his village no matter how hard it is for him. That's literal grey, moron.
By the way if I had to choose between surviving or wiping out the entire planet, I wouldn't be picking the latter.
Survival IS selfish if it's at the expense of other people. That is indisputable. It is by the definition of selfish. What you mean to say, is that being selfish is not always wrong.
What Sunako is wearing is a popular japanese fashion called lolita. This outfit particularly is dark lolita
*Confused screaming *
Seeing Sunako care about her fellow Shiki and staying in order to protect them combined with her grief over Chizuru's death is part of why I like her despite the fact that I feel that she shouldn't have come to the village and start turning people into Shiki. If I were a Shiki, I'd gladly follow her and regard her as an angel that just happens to walk in darkness through no fault of her own.
She traveled to the village to make it a home for her kind because of how Seishin described it in his books.
I loved her sweet little voice it's so soothing
I honestly don't think a village of Shiki would have lasted in the long run; too many predators grouped together, not enough food in the area, and people would start to notice the disappearances. The village would have been discovered eventually and the Shiki would have been exposed.
Tatsumi revealed (at least in the manga) that he didn't think the village would have lasted. An ecosystem must never have higher numbers of predators than prey or it all falls into chaos, which is what he wanted.
There was no light and dark side, no good or bad, only grey. It all depended on who you sympathized with more. The Shiki did what they did to survive and so did the humans. What’s interesting however, is that in the end only one side actually enjoyed and killed for fun and cruelly and that was the humans. The shiki never enjoyed killing, they wanted everyone they fed from to possibly live.
True but if I was a human and I know that if there turning my friends or anyone that dear to me I will fight back.
The Monk was my favorite character and I really like the relationship that he had with Sunako, I'm truly happy that they both survived.
Me too
+Dirty Deeds But it sad Megumi had to die
super17a ...
PandaMage2000 ...
Sounds like you're saying they are in a relationship. A man on his 30's maybe, with a 12 years old (Physically) and they're dating. He must be a loli lover, then.
After knowing her past and watching this creepy but interesting anime, I consider Sunako as my favorite character and villain from Shiki.
To me she felt like side vilain
This is my first time watching anything related to the anime HER EYES FREAKED ME OUT
Lol u get used to it, at first i thought she had no eyes xD
During this show I had so many emotions creepiness sadness happiness and made me question who are the real monsters here us or them
I want Sunako to whisper into my left ear gently.
Unfortunately Sunako and her gang got greedy. They didn't just want blood but the entire town as well and the people as food. You wanna be someone else's dinner?! Think about it. How long do you think her mother would last and how do you she would last? In that episode, one shiki even killed his granddaughter and grandson! That is truly monstrous!
Does everyone forget the shiki can't survive without blood. Sunako wasn't turned into a shiki of her own will she had no choice in the matter. At that age yea I wouldn't want to kill myself because some monster came out of nowhere and turned me into something I'm not. I agree she didn't need to come into their village and start turning random people into shiki, but they weren't exactly turned of their own will either. Both sides are fighting for survival ( some more brutal than others ), but when you think about it they're fighting for the same thing. Despite your opinion I do feel sorry for the shiki, and even worse for the humans because they became the very thing they were fighting against. Monsters
Finally someone who understands!
I fell i love with your comment
Thank you, and I like your profile pic 😘
They started this and even if they needed blood, it did not give them the right to kill or turn others into shiki as well. As they dined, the villagers were in grief. They didn't do anything to them till the truth came out. That enraged the villagers especially after the fact that all this time, they were the cause of so many deaths.
Teresa Müller It's a predator vs prey thing.
Sunako has to be one of my favorite character Shiki, she is adorable, hopeful, wise, and she is also a victim.
" visiting them constantly"
Well yeah, a bitch has got to eat.
"she had just risen"
I don't know how accurate that is, but I'll concede.
"The spread is not usually exponential."
That brings up a good point.
sunako is so adorable :o
yet horrible and like 150 years old
I'd still do her
Karen Lemmens we all know seishin is tapping sunako i mean it's pretty obvious lol
すなこの目の色が好き
"responsible for protecting the whole village?"
As a resident of the village, and maybe as a human being in general maybe?
I hated him for that too, but he had to do it, the least he could have done is apologized so she wouldn't be so clueless.
This is a sad moment but I think the 2 saddest moments were Tohru crying as he devoured Natsuno and the scene where Sunako and Seishin were in the basement and Sunako was crying saying that the only reason she did the things she did was because she didn't want to die. She really is a misunderstood character.
Personally, I always thought that the saddest moment in the anime was the last 8 minutes of episode 20.5. I don't know why I feel so sorry for Nao, since she murdered her in laws, along with her son and husband. Perhaps it's because she just wanted to be with her family, and now will never be able to, in this life or the next. Maybe it's because of how much she regrets killing her family. Either way, Nao was probably the only reason I started feeling for the shiki at all. If it wasn't for her, I most likely wouldn't care.
Oh yeah Nao's death an despair was up there to. It mentally disturbed me watching them tied up and being exposed to the sunlight. I also felt really bad for Ozaki, Sunako and Tohru.
Yeah. It saddens me that any shiki I felt bad for ended up dying (well, Sunako didn't die, though I'm not 100% sure if I feel bad for her yet). Some shiki I don't care about, like Masao (in fact, I hated him), but it's shiki like Nao and Tohru that I think need a hug.
I hated Megumi worse than Masao but yes, Nao, Tohru and Natsuno should have survived. I'm glad Sunako and Seishin did at least. Sunako was just like the others. She didn't like having to kill but she had to in order to survive. She probably didn't show as much reluctants and grief at that point because she's been a Shiki for 80 years and accepting the fact and not wallowing in self hatred for living is something she managed to due though towards the end she expressed her sadness.
Misaka Imouto For Sunako, I'm still weighing the scales on whether I feel for her or not.
Seishin is my 2nd favorite character, my 1st being Nao. With him able to be with the shiki as a human, I wondered if coexistence could have been an option.
Natsuno literally wanted to die and blew himself up, so I don't really feel for him. At least he got what he wanted (well, some of it, but he also wanted all the shiki dead, so...)
Don't get me wrong, Megumi deserves to rot in Hell, but character wise, she was ok, which is the only thing that keeps me from completely hating her.
I was kinda surprised that anyone could hate a character more than Masao. I just wanted to rip him in half. He's a little whiney baby that gets a kick out of trying to make others feel bad.
Tohru and Nao, if I ever saw them crying because of what they did, I'd go up and hug them... well, maybe I'd ask them to not bite my neck first, I would prefer if I could stay alive as a human.
Whatcha wearing there Tatsumi....
Dang im just gonna say that i love megumi"s outfits ^^ 😘😘 love it
The sexiest clothes you can wear
Still a better story then Twilight.
I Agree!
Almost anything is a better story than "Twilight", so that doesn't say that much about the series.
It's a better story than many things
What do you mean "still"??
It's fucking great story.
Ik this comment is 4 years old, but man I'm offended
It's only natural that both sides would try to survive. It's nature of course but I still say the vampires had it coming more. They both murdered but who started it? The shiki. They'll get no sympathy for me.
he's a jinrou, a werewolf :D
This whole anime is an sad scene honestly.
am i the ONLY person who loves sunako??
Because of that kind of reasoning, That is why you are the one who governs the world. With "intelligents" and "tactful reasoning"
Nope she had it coming after threatening him again and again. She also humiliated him. When he turned the tables on her, she wasn't so arrogant anymore. In the end, she pleaded for her life like a coward.
The true monsters in this anime are the humans
Why?
It's just like if vegetarians killed us just cus we ate meat
Bry-Bry DG (im not being racist) or blacks killing us cuz we r white
The shikis were the ones who started this mess. Killing people night after night. If that wasn't enough they planned to take over the village and make slaves out of them. That really was the last straw and that's why the humans went ballistic in killing them.
allsportsbandfan actually they just wanted a place where they can hang out and be themselves and not have to hide from the humans
Same here. Even if the village burned down, the villagers will rebuild it. If they were strong enough to get rid of the shiki, they are strong enough to build what was destroyed. My favorite character was Sadafumi because he led the fight in the pipeline.
Of course, you'd identify with the paranoid sadist.
You actually LIKE that pos???
Like I said already, the Shiki started this mess in the first place! They weren't going to stop and their greed would make take another village and another! They could've tried to co-exist w/o killing anyone but they didn't. The urge to kill was too strong and remember they sliced Ozaki's mother's throat and killed. That was an act of pure murder and if Sunako ordered that, then she isn't as innocent as she seems.
Wake up. The suggestion of coexistence is a naive pipe dream of those that refuse to acknowledge humanity's darker and more dominant side and traits. To this day, humanity is utterly incapable of getting its own house in order and is continually laying the groundwork to create situations where they'd tear each other apart at a moment's notice for the slightest misstep. If humanity is so incompetent that it can't even coexist with itself peacefully, then there's no way in hell it can be qualified to coexist with a non-human species.
Having a decent-sized coterie and doing partial feedings on the nearby cities would have been enough. Pure murder? That was 1. How many did the kine do?
0:58-1:13 I'm having a hard time as to how people can see Sunako as cute...
I love This Anime Sad :(( .. .
Nah I've never felt sad for her, ofc I understand her but she was the VILLAIN It's like if I'd have leprosy and I would have been banished by my people, I'd feel so alone, sad and angry that I would start infecting everyone in order to they be able of understand me and not feeling sad and alone anymore. What kind of logic is that? SUFFER LIKE ME TO UNDERSTAND ME that's so egoistic.
I mean, she knew how terrible was to be a shiki and what she does? Yes transform people into shiki (and crossfingers bc some of them didn't came back to life)
And that's exactly why Natsuno claimed, "YOU DIDN'T GIVE THEM A CHOICE", yeah bc she pushed all the new shikis to become assassins. And that's why I loved the nurse character she was so strong and even when she was so hungry she didn't try anything, and tried to save her friend instead.
In the end, Sunako is not a misunderstood character she is a villain that doesn't want to recognize what she is, and the same goes to the monk. 2 hypocrites that deserved "a Berserk death"
the monk was hypocrite
In shiki there is no thing like purely good or purely evil. Not even Megumi was absolutely evil.
An annoying, bad mouthed, spoiled, egocentric nuisance of a brat yes. But not absolutely evil
Lmao she even isnt like that, the anime just made her that way because they needed actually entertaining characters and the only way to do that was to make her bitchy
She's truly just a girl who wants a better life and to follow her dreams in the actual story
The Shiki chose to kill humans in order to create more Shiki, Tooru proved they don't need to when he fed on Natsuno without killing him
The Shiki were evil
... I do feel bad for Sunako.... Chizuru was like a daughter to her.... :/
First of all, they ran out of stakes and they were already from fighting and killing 24 hours straight! Secondly the humans acted that way not only out of vengeance but to protect their loved ones. Thirdly, the humans had to call on all their resolve to go down and the end threat that the shikis started, they had no choice and that was an act of defense because they won't put up with the shiki who've done enough damage. They didn't want to do it while the shikis urges overrided their morals.
To put this in an idea that I can comprehend I tend to compare it to scenarios from WWII, you feel sorry for the Russians during that start because of what the Germans are inflicting upon them, but then the spectrum gets flipped and you start feeling sorry for the Germans because the Russians are doing much worse things, but then you take a step back and see that if it wasn't for the Germans starting the whole thing, this wouldn't have happened, this scenario can be applied to this show here.
"if it wasn't for the Germans starting the whole thing" Haha, good ignorant sheep.
The fuck are you talking about?
Newell Joseph Germany didn't start everything, it all started with the assassination of archduke Ferdinand. The two situations are not comparable, and also filled with propaganda.
I was talking about the actions of Nazi Germany and there involvement during WWII I was not stating historical facts, I was making a comparison to the actions during the war as compared to the actions in the series. Read my statement more carefully and you'll see that I'm only talking about the Germans fighting the Russians during World War II not the whole genesis of historical events.
NeonNuki He was referring to the German/Soviet conflict the second World War, not the start of WWI.
I think it's a decent analogy. Of course the situations don't line-up perfectly, but it highlights the main conflict. The Germans struck the USSR first, and the Soviet soldiers committed a number of atrocities in formerly occupied German territories.
because they knew they'd hunt them even if they came out in the open and tried to make peace * just like dance in the vampires bund
You know, Durarara is kinda similar in story telling of this anime, thought the style and topic are different, these both are really good, and similar!
entire final of this anime is sad.
Guys,
This anime doesn't show who is the true monster, the humans or the shiki.
It just shows how emotional unstable and fickle we are xD
That just explains the nature of us humans, no?
Erik P.T. Yeah, how we once despised the shiki for killing people, then despising the humans for killing shiki. How fickle we are.
Exactly.
All three races here! (ningen, shiki, jinrou)
What are Ningen?
men
+Waranger5 Oh. I wonder what a hybrid of all three would be like. What would they feed on? What would be their name? What would be their weaknesses? Could you kill them? If so, what would it take to kill them? Would they have any type of supernatural abilities? Would they survive the purge in the village? So many questions!
+Waranger5 Maybe, Coz they're a hybrid of 3 different creatures, they would have three "lives". And, in order to kill them the first time, you had to shoot them specifically in the center of the forehead with a singular silver bullet blessed by a holy priest. Then, in order to end their second life, you had to stab them with a wooden stake, LEAVE THE STAKE IN THEM, then slice off their head, and limbs, and burn them with fire created from specifically golfer wood (IN THAT EXACT ORDER WITH THOSE EXACT SPECIFICATIONS). And finally, in order to end their 3rd life, after they have resurrected from their 2nd life, all you have to do is behead them. But, killing a hybrid and ending either of their lives would be very difficult, since their flesh, organs, and muscles have hyper elasticity, and every bone in their body was 10x harder than diamond. Let's also make their bones be completely hollow and light, enabling the hybrids to move quickly and nimbly. And they will have accelerated healing.
+Waranger5 This would all make ending at least a hybrid's _first_ life tremendously difficult.
They're both human and shiki just want to live
The shiki have the right to kill humans to survive, but the humans have the right to fight back to survive too, it's all fair game.
I really love their clothes
imagine you to be so unique, that nobody understands you, and rejects you. Someday your sadness will turn into anger, i promise
just finished watching this for the second time. The ending is so heart wrenching. Hope this scene doesn't spoil anything for the next viewers. xD
Woah, this was 9 years ago. I hope you finished it.
@@user-yh3bf3zk4t I did and it's still one of my favorite horror anime! They're kind of hard to come by.
@@treehann I finished Death Note first. I was looking for something similar and found it. I am somewhat disturbed by blood but the story seemed interesting. And these 2 animes are perfect! They are a bit haunting like. They make you question your thoughts and how humanity or human nature is awful. Even the Shikis experienced emotions which really made you feel pity and anger for both in some way.
Both I meant as in the two sides. What makes a side, a side.
The only thing worse than almost entire Shiki cast's hairstyles is that Tatsumi outfit.
The humans were going about their lives and didn't even bother or accuse the shiki of anything when the deaths. It was only when Ozaki exposed them that they were angry because they didn't die of disease but had their blood drained. Would you let drain the blood of your mother or father or siblings? I wouldn't.
neither side is evil. In the end, Humans and Shiki wanted to survive, and were scared. The humans just forgot at one point, the shiki they were killing were once they're friends
If it were me I'd only assume demons possessed their corpses and took on their appearance because no loved one of mine would willingly take the life of another so brazenly. The humans were justified, the shiki were 99.9% evil (Ritsuko and Kyouko included as the 0.1%). The Shiki did simply want to exist but did the justify casual murder? And upon your friends and family too boot? Add up all the deaths and you hit enough numbers to effortlessly equal genocide. But yeah, I guess the Shiki causing genocide which would've become a holocaust had they won isn't evil at all *sarcasm*
he suppose to be a doctor, a healer, a medicine man, a helper to everyone, but instead he turns in to a killer, he doesn't see the shiki as human but monsters that doesn't resemble anything like when they was human and believes they will trick you in to thinking they are the same person * which we know they are* i think the NHS would love to have ozaki for a doctor, they'd love him because the NHS likes to make errors and give false info, ozaki gets to the point and kills people
The monk invited the shiki there and it was his family who paid for it. They were so angry that they wanted to get rid of the shiki but monk and his father turned a blind eye to their feeding. Sadly, they paid the price.
My favourite anime, but it has some huge logical flaws. I never really got the idea that they're two totally different race. Everybody acts like a true human, because that's what they were: humans and former humans. Before the Kirishikis they lived together as family/friends/neighbours, so the "it's like humans and pigs" example from Tohru felt so false and untrue. At first i sided more with the villagers at the end i thought both crews are screwed, maybe the villagers were more reasonable a little. On the other hand i don't know what Sunako thought through the whole time: constantly attacking the villagers, destroying families and friendships, and truly assuming after they rise they want to be friends with her and Tatsumi? WTF? It's like somebody sees me as an enemy, tries to eliminate or force a change on me, and after the change is "successful" she truly waiting for i would change my mind immediately and consider her and the others as a family / friends. Girl, you're delusional. :D I remember even Natsuno found this mentality an absurd BS and told this to Tatsumi.
Saddest scene was the huge old guy dying
I love Sunako idk why
Welcome to the comment section! We have lots of heartless people that take things too seriously! (Pls. don't hunt me down)
Serina Seabolt Oh noes.
Is just an anime show, not real life. I am glad that REAL Vampires are not real (SO FAR, APPARENTLY)for they could add even more brutality to our already violent human world.
Zachery Concepcion may i come in...
@@Wolfen443 if vampires existed I would've destroyed them with army with more brutal ways
@@sn4ke16 Unless they controlled the stock market. Have fun fighting a vigilante war with no money.
The humans and Shiki are equally bad....but Sunako is bae.
THIS ISNT SAD ITS STUPID!
I agree with you on the skeechy part! Besides Tohru told Natsuno that it just about getting blood to feed! It was also their predatory instinct that made attack people. It was not enough for them to find food but also to satisfy that need to unleash their animal instincts!
If a person commits a crime, by law we catch and punish that person. Sunako only cared about food. The only time they punish is when a new shiki like Ritsuko refuses to kill. As for caring the villagers didn't to see anymore of their own die so they fought back. People care about each other or they wouldn't be enraged at the shikis' acts.
OK, now I'm really confused. Should we feel sorry for the shiki who are being brutally killed by the humans, or cheer for the humans fighting for survival? I was pro-shiki, but now that girl seemed psychotic.
"This village is almost dead." Who the hell says that?!
Watch the first part of anime. When those fuckers are acting so smug, when they're slowly invading and felling "oh so superior". And then watch again them crying and pleading for mercy when suddelny odds are against them.
I had no problem with chosing sides.
Tasorius Not really, this anime really wasnt black and white. At the start of it vampires seemed to be evil creatures but as the story progressed we find out that the humans are as bad if not worse than the vampires. This is one of the most grey animes that I have seen, an aspect that I definetly enjoyed.
Dexter Perry The humans were definitely worse.
Tasorius No. The humans were just mad because you know. The vampires did kill half of their loved ones and then planned on killing them next. Not saying the humans were in the right though. This anime just showed what had to be done for survival. Vampires drank human blood to live, humans killed vampires so they wouldn't die. Some of the humans even killed the vampires in humane ways
Dexter Perry It's like they have an illness that strengthen their instincts, and makes them unable to resist killing humans.
Megumi's death for example, showed what the humans who were left had become.
He had no choice. If he let her go she would prey on ,more innocent people. Since they kept on killing he had to find out how to fight them. The shikis don't have a license to kill or feed.; Even if they were exposed they still would feed.
While the shiki are terrifying in their own right, what many humans fail to realize that they are monsters themselves... sadface... :(
I love her dress and eyes
You were obviously not paying attention during her talk with Seishin about exactly that!
As I've said before, we police our own and if a human commits a crime, then we punish that human. Shikis do not. We do not live by urges alone cause if that was the case there would be no order nor would there be any respect of rights of others.
Sotoba is basically the Wild West, though.
I feel he could of at least explained and apologized a little, but I imagined he was trying to distance himself from her as much as possible to avoid being biased.
I think alot of people failed to realize that seishin and sunoko escaped the village and with both pf them being shiki now perhaps they will increase their numbers once more? Maybe even a sequel :0?
we meet again tatsumi...
on this forward I will not bring victory to the empire anymore.....
sunako don't loose hope
He didn't become one, he was just possessed by him(Natsuo"fiery hair").
:)
Whoever promoted the rule kill or be killed are those who take from others. In the end, they fall victim to their won ruthlessness.
As I've said before, I don't bother other people so don't bother me. I'm not perfect but I will not get what I need let alone what I want at the expense of others! The shiki didn't care about the people they killed. As I've said before, it wasn't just hunger but the urge to kill. As for co-existence, they could've found a way but didn't and hence were a threat. They even killed children and laughed about it. When the tables turned, they ran like cowards. I don't pity them at all.
Chizuru had it coming. She and the others turned Megumi and Nao into shikis. She tormented Ozaki until Ozaki turned the tables on her. Remember the one that killed was Takeo who was Megumi's father. After finding her daughter's killer, what do you expect his reaction would be?! He still grieved for his daughter and now that the killer was there, I don't blame him.
Even lions respect their prey and the analogy of nature doesn't apply to them because they donot respect their food source. Everything they did was premediated and the fact that they can still reason means they can tell good from bad. The doctor tortured his wife because he had no choice. He had to find their weakness before they took over the whole village.
Wait, you know how lions think?
The only reason Ozaki performed those test is because they wouldn't stop killing so he needed to find out more about them. The fact that they were harassing Kaori and her friend as well as Ozaki proved that they weren't just hungry but were also bullies. Do you think it was easy for him to do that? Muroi was worse as he turned his back on the villagers. If killing people who didn't do anything to you just to survive is their logic then it's pretty twisted and selfish logic.
she loved that family she was with bc her birth family were alcoholics and didn't treat her right so she was happy when she married into her husbands family and when she became a shiki she got all of them hoping they would rise up as a shiki like she was and live forever happily not jealousy
It doesn't matter if they drain them to death, I'm telling you it's no different from how humans kill animals for food and many other things. And it's not like humans are only guilty ones many animals kill each other to survive. And at least most of the ones who were kill had a chance to get a second life.
I'm not saying they don't NEED to drain blood to survive. I'm saying they don't need to drain them to death. It's said in series that a person would need several Shiki feedings at once to die from it, one of the reasons they do so is because Sanuko and Tatsumi MAKE them do it to such an extent. Sanuko's plan fell apart because she didn't bother to try and teach them some measure of moderation, she had them drain people to death instead of only taking "Just Enough".
thank you, you know what else -
in the series the shiki was still them selfs like when they was human * same personalities, noone controlling them and still them selfs *
the doctor just saw them as monsters, no remorse for experimenting on hes wife or for hes mothers death he was unstable and a Psychopath, at least the monk tried to understand them and make peace, the doctor installed fear, hate and paranoia in the villagers
the shiki was drinking blood in order to live like we do with animals
All they wanted was to unlive in peace...
That's why they had to die. They were a threat to every human. Tatsumi was cruel and vicious to his victims. He enjoyed seeing suffer. How could you co-exist what?
All I hear is a triggered kine being dragged down the food chain.
Fun fact : Tatsumi has the same voice actor as the Obito from Naruto Series and Takagi from Detective Conan
In real life good people won't stand by and watch others die! The shiki started this and humans ended it because they didn't more people to fall victim to these blood suckers who only cared about their hunger..
The doc torturing his wife gave them a major advantage getting rid of the shiki. Both sides are fair game. I wonder how wrong you'd think it would have been for a shiki to kill you or someone you know.