Perfect timing. I did buy a used Softail and did run into exactly what you said. I am in the middle of going thru the bike front to back, top to bottom taking apart, cleaning, resealing, adjusting and so on. Thanks to this video I now understand the rear shocks on a Softail better. Thank you and be safe.
Had my 04 Softail for 15 years now, found this video brilliant in terms of explaining the shocks. Never touched them but now overhauling the bike and wanted some decent info on shocks. Respect for the great no BS knowledge sharing.
Thanks Doc for that last bit of information about getting a Softail with a lowering kit to make it stiffer because that's exactly what I have and that's exactly what I'm going to do
Thanks for the video. 2 years ago I traded a 2013 Breakout for a 2018 Heritage 114. When I still had my Breakout I went to the dealership to buy the adjustment wrench you just showed on your video and they called the Service Tech over and he told me it wasn't adjustable. Now I know it was. I would bounce off the seat on big bumps. I guess I should find another dealer. I have had lots of issues with their service and this just adds to the aggravation knowing I rode that bike for years like that when it was adjustable.
My local dealer told me the same thing. I said my owners manual says different. It took two other service techs to get the right answer and sell me the wrench to properly adjust the shocks. Scares me to have them perform any actual work on my bike when they don’t even know the Softails are adjustable.
Thanks for the great info Doc! My shock absorbers weren’t even close to being set to my weight of 215... thanks for explaining it and making it easier for guys like me to do!
I have become a big fan of your TH-cam channel. I come to you for all my Harley needs. I’m very comfortable working on my 2010 Fatboy by using you commentary and how to do video. Thank you.
I really enjoy and appreciate all of your videos, even the ones that don't apply to my model Harley. Your explanations are easy to understand. I was wondering if you would do a video regarding motor mounts. Keep up the great work.
It's so weird how this now seems so foreign to me...I lowered two early 90's era Softail's, and cannot remember one single step of the procedure...Don't get old folks.
Use the tangs of the SHOCK ADJUSTMENT SPANNER 9444882B in the holes in the rear shock canister to turn the canister CLOCKWISE UNTIL IT STOPS. This position is the minimum rider weight position. Mark the face of the canister for reference. Turn the canister COUNTERCLOCKWISE the number of turns calculated for the total load. Shock Preload for modles FXSB, FLSTN, FLS (all except APC, AUS), FLSS (all except AUS), FLSTFB (all except HDI, ENG, IND, BRZ), FLSTFBS (all except (HDI, ENG) RIDER WEIGHT* TURNS** Less than 185 lb 84 kg 0 Turns 185-235 lb 84107 kg 1 Turns 235-285 lb 107129 kg 2 Turns 285-340 lb 129154 kg 3 Turns 340 lb 154 kg to maximum added weight 4 Turns Shock Preload for modles FLSTC, FLSTF, FLS (APC, AUS), FLSS (AUS), FLSTFB (HDI, ENG, IND, BRZ), FLSTFBS (HDI, ENG) RIDER WEIGHT* TURNS** Less than 165 lb 75 kg 0 Turns 165-220 lb 75100 kg 1 Turns 220-275 lb 100125 kg 2 Turns 275-335 lb 125152 kg 3 Turns 335-395 lb 152179 kg 4 Turns 395 lb 179 kg to maximum added weight 5 Turns
Thanks for the great video which makes it easy to see how the adjustment works. I tried it on the jiffy stand and for the life of me I don't see how to make that work. Put the bike up on a jack and it was easy peasy. Thanks again!
I have been racing dirt bikes for years so I understand that way to adjust preloaded on a motorcycle. But for the average person you have done a good job in explaining this process. I have a new CVO Limited and it’s a lot easier ( as you know)to adjust the preload on the touring models.
I've been a Harley trained tech for 13 years and own my own shop now, and to this day no one has been able to explain to me the difference in softail shocks with different part numbers IE - 00, - 04, - 08 et cetera. They are the same length and look the same but different part number.
I have delt with Air suspension in a Softail. There is no “ If this amount of weight set air at this “ it was a trial and error. Air gave the softest ride. I just could not deal with the loss of air through fittings over a period of tine….Doc
I did a search on how to tell if your shocks are worn out and need replacement and came across this helpful tip. Thank you for the valuable information. I still can’t find info about my question though, perhaps you could do a vid about it sometime? Or maybe commenters could point me in the right direction please? Thanks.
Shocks are all about control. They control the movement of your rear tire and swing-arm up and down over road conditions. If you have adjusted the shock absorbers to manufacturer specifications and the rear wheel/swing-arm bounces with no control the shocks are warn out.
Hi doc hope you are well , question here please ... Can i use an old style clutch cable (twin cam) on a 2018 Milwaukee 8 model Softail??? Many thanks 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I'm not sure. I have to admit I have only installed cables that are tested and fitted for your 2018. You could do a little research by going to aftermarket cable makers. Look up your bike cable then a Twin Cam cable and see if they match….Doc
FYI, the center of the shock adjustment tool can also be used as a 1 1/6 inch wrench. So you really only need the 9/16 inch wrench and the tool to adjust.
1/16 ! Seems like nobody knows how to put it correctly. But what bothers me more is the fact that HD manual doesn't mention it. Torque - yes, wrench size - no. Is it so difficult to complete it with this useful info??!
Hello doc harley...have 2010 fatboy after riding for few hours have very sore back for a few days...i also have 1942wla and never get any back problems unless hit desent pot hole.... can not see why fatboy gives me bad back...have had since new so no idea shock setup but after viewing your video will check to see weather they are setup to hard,hopefully they are not on softest setting....love watching your videos very well explained and learn so much..regards jimmy.
thanks doc with my wife on the back of my 2015 deluxe it use to bottom out since i did the adjustment on the shocks its made it i much better bike to ride thanks doc awesome ............
At first I wanted to post NO. But then you added a threaded part? Most after market threaded parts are for lowering. It might be able to adjust the other way. Just make sure you have enough still in the shocks to support your adjustment….Doc
I have a 2010 fat boy lo. I went to adjust them, found that the two shocks weren't evenly preloaded (never been touched before), so I went full counterclockwise on both (I'm 230), and left it. Ride was much improved being both at the same. Haven't touched since, as it was a major pain to do without a lift or motorcycle jack.
@@bobgil3464 broke a couple vertebrae, left hip socket and a couple bones in my left arm. full face helmet kept me conscious. I replaced the fat boy with a Road Glide.
@@Dustin359 I like the new 120 Anniversary CVO Road Glide Ultra. They had one on display at BikeWeek. Unfortunately don’t have $52000. Man you were messed up lucky to be alive.
My 06 night train bought new and lowered, I hit a pot hole it about broke my spin like you say, I haven't rode it much in the past 4 years it seems very very stiff even my front end ..like I have no shocks at all.. so you saying with a lowering kit I need to make it more stiff? Did I here you correct?
Yes but with reason. When lowering a bike you remove normal distant traveled by shock absorbers. If the springs are not stiffened the shock would bottom out and hurt…..Maybe consider Air Shocks. They are soft but not dependable….Doc
Are the factory shocks on a 1993 heritage oil dampened and nitrogen charged? I'm looking to buy the bike and the rear suspension sets very low and feels like it's bottomed out . Thank you
Sounds like the shocks have been modified to lower the bike. Lowering of coarse removes suspension full travel. Factory shocks are large heavy duty springs with oil dampening. Don’t let the shocks stop you from your dream bike
Hi Doc-thanks for the great video! I came across a 2008 FLSTSB (no rear lowering kit) today. I suspect that someone who installed these shocks failed to lock in the 9/16" spanner to avoid the shaft rotating (probably adjusted on the bench and reinstalled the shocks on the frame)-hence it is now so short that is no longer possible to insert the special HD tool and 9/16" spanner) to adjust the preload as per the HD instruction. I think the only way to sort out this dilemma would be to physically remove the shocks and recalibrate them and reinstall. What is your suggestion? Many thanks Arnold
I am currently researching this idea for my slim. Legends make a good package. But I'm leaning towards ShotGun Air shocks because of more adjustalbity. The cost is high. wish they would let me install and do a video..but I will save up and purchase down the line. FYI both packages advise you have to drop a shock to drain the transmission oil....Doc
Saw another video on softail shocks. With the special tool, the tool hooks into the holes in the plate at the end of the shaft.Also once you assemble the shock how do you torque the bolts when there is hardly any space.
Just bought my first softail a 09 night train and the manual reads opposite of what you are saying, have i missed something ? By turning CCW that moves the adjuster towards the lock nut ? Wont making the shock longer lower the bike ?
Adjusting the Springs does not lower the bike. It does relieve or add tension to the suspension. The shock is designed backwards than shocks on other models....Doc
Doc Harley, I do have a question? And my question to you is I noticed in the video your shocks on the motorcycle are install just the opposite of mine and I do have a lowering kit does that make a difference if they're installed the opposite way.
Hello doc I plan to buy a Heritage softail Model 8/2016 103cui Is it the same adjustment for this model like you shown in the video? And under the Seat is for the 107 and 114 cui? Thx and greetings from germany
Hello Doc I bought the 2016 Heritage Classic 103 cui I am 207 lbs I just had my first longer Ride in the Mountains around I find her very firm on the back Do you recomand the softest adjustment for my weight Or will she get lower if softer adjustment? It already scratches early with the harder adjustment Thank you and greetings from germany
I bought a 2007 Heritage. I got it from the original owner. The shocks have never been adjusted. The ride is okay. I would like to get them adjusted. I think the ride could be quite a bit better. I rode a couple of newer softails and found out how much difference the adjustment can make. The first rode beautifully. The second rode terrible.
There are several. Progressive sells a good unit with external adjuster. Ferrell has introduced an air system. Legends has shocks and others. It really depends on your budget…..Doc
Sorry, i have a question, i have a 2013 heritage softail and can not find an adjustment chart anywhere. I weigh about 280, any idea how much i should adjust mine?
I'm confused! My locknut and adjustment location is on the front, not near the rear tire. I need to remove all of the preload. Which way do I turn the shock. The shock get longer when I sit on the bike. Does the shock get longer when you remove the preload or does the body of the shock move rearwards?
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson No. The rear of my shock appears to extend out from the shock body when I turn the adjuster counter clockwise. However, that is just the shock body traveling forward on the shaft. The inside, which I cannot see, is compressing the spring i.e. more preload. A proper explanation would have saved me a lot of trouble. The preload was already minimal. I am 145 pounds, riding solo. This is what I would have preferred as an explanation; if the far side of the shock is all the way in (the weld bead is against the shock body), the preload is soft, if it is out (max 1/2"), more preload. The 2007 FLSTN has the locknut and adjuster on the forward end, the rear is eyelets.
Can you explain how to adjust a Softail with a lowering kit? I have a 2012 FLSTF Fat Boy. Previous owner had a lowering kit installed, he was about 5'5", 160 lbs. I'm 6', 230 lbs. I'd like to raise the ride height. I wish I could get original stub shafts, but can't find them. Thanks for any advice!
Hi Doc, great video, I'm looking at lowering my 14 fat boy here in the UK the shocks that HD fitted are 54508-00B can I fit 54549-04 to lower the bike an inch or so....
My choices here in the states: buy just the adjustable mounting screw 54001-04A. This replaces your stock screw and allows adjustment to 1". Or purchase the complete shock set 54651-05 which are chrome and lower the bike 3/4" with stiffer springs for the lesser travel.
I just bought a 08 softail custom and it sits about 1 inch too high for my stubby legs. Will adjusting the shocks lower the bike or do I need an actual lowering kit? Thank you.
Hello DOC, I have some questions, sorry but I translate wrong and I need some clarification. counterclockwise hardens the spring, clockwise softens the spring?
Hi, have a fatboy and a heritage with the 422 progressive springs. they where never set at exact setting for preload. i weigh 90 kg (about 200 pounds). i thought of giving them 1 turn counterclockwise because stock they are supplied at the softest setting. what do you think ?
My 2012 doesn't have that spot on the bolt for a 9/16" wrench. It has another 1 1/16" nut. Previous owner had it lowered 1" and was 6" shorter and 60#'s lighter. How do I adjust that?
I have a 07 De Luxe and it is very low and i turn it Clockwise to make the absorbers short. Am I right? I just wanna it a little high to the ground... I turn 5 turns (clockwise) each side and seems nothing happened.....
The adjustment has nothing to do with height and everything to do with soft to hard ride. If your bike is very low, it probably has a lowering kit. Depending on manufacturer, that allows height adjustment….Doc
The best way to lower is front and rear at the same time. There are several aftermarket parts that will change the internal springs in the front to lower 1-1 half inches. And there are parts that replace factory mounts in the rear shocks that will allow you to lower. please keep in mind when lowering a bike your ground clearance will be less, especially in corners and the ride will slightly stiffer....Doc
So I got a 96 springer Softail a nd was on a ride today 9-4-22anx thought I broke frame and or suspension in the rear so after getting home and looking underneath of it and it looks like if you're sitting on it it would be the right side dual shock underneath actually it's the left side if you're sitting on it bolt broke off that holds the front that was the bolt broke off in the front that mounts the front of the shock to where whatever that is but is that a through and through bolt and nut or just a bolt that gets threaded into that sleeve somehow I'm brand new Harley owner as of one year ago about this old beast from a friend and got about 55,000 miles on it but she still runs good just had it on a dime now any help I can get with this question I just need to know because there's nothing to put a wrench or socket on to turn it out I'm going to have to easy out it out thanks doc Harley
Again is that a through bolt that goes through both of the shocks and the front where they mount I guess that's to the frame I think is it just one long bolt that goes through both of those and the frame area of the front of those shocks for the front tire so like a bolt and nut or is it a bolt from each side that threads into something needing to know if I need the easy out that out or just take it to a shop thanks
Each shock has bolt in the front that threads into the frame in front and one bolt in the back that threads into the swingarm. So 4 bolts all together.....Doc
I had my Harley dealer install the lowering kit. They never asked me my weight, but they set it up for myself alone and with a rider. With two we don't bottom out, with one, it's really smooth unless you hit a noticeable pot hole. Rides smooth, tracks straight. 09 softail custom.
Doc... I have a 2006 fxst and do have the factory Harley Manuel... no chart for poundage in my Manuel? I’m about 220ish solo rider... took all the way in as you say and then took out 1 1/2 turns counter-clockwise... from zero... do you have a reference chart you can provide as stated in video?
Question: (2016 Fatboy S) So in conclusion, if you want to carry more weight, you will need to lower the bike to increase the preload by turning counter clockwise and making the shock longer. Is there a way or shock system to increase preload to carry two people WITHOUT lowering the bike.
I obviously have not explained this correctly. No way does lowering the back end increase payload....a Softtail shock adjusts oppisite from standard shocks. Many aftermarket shocks offer an external adjuster for preload....Doc
Hi Doc, major question, how do you dis-assemble the Softail rear shocks? I have a set of progressives on my 1986 heritage, but nobody offers any shocks for the 1986 year frame, so that means I need to rebuild these/ replace the springs in them. please respond. thank you, A. C.
First purchase a Harley-Davidson Service Manual. It will show you step by step. We use a hydraulic press and adapters to hold the shock. Please send an email to marketing@lowcountryharley.com and I will send you a photo of an example. Thanks ~ Doc
I keep watching this video. I still don't understand the concept. Underneath using the spanner wrench can't I just turn it once or twice clockwise for a stiffer ride? or counter for a softer ride? After loosening the locknut of course. Do I have to have it up on a lift?
NEVER A WASTED DAY WHEN YOU LEARN SOMETHING NEW ! THANKS DOC
Thanks Frank….Doc
Perfect timing. I did buy a used Softail and did run into exactly what you said. I am in the middle of going thru the bike front to back, top to bottom taking apart, cleaning, resealing, adjusting and so on. Thanks to this video I now understand the rear shocks on a Softail better. Thank you and be safe.
Had my 04 Softail for 15 years now, found this video brilliant in terms of explaining the shocks. Never touched them but now overhauling the bike and wanted some decent info on shocks. Respect for the great no BS knowledge sharing.
Thanks…..Doc
Thanks Doc. Answered all my questions and didn't give any useless information like so many other people.
agree so many videos with so much unnecessary talking
Thanks Doc for that last bit of information about getting a Softail with a lowering kit to make it stiffer because that's exactly what I have and that's exactly what I'm going to do
Thanks for the video. 2 years ago I traded a 2013 Breakout for a 2018 Heritage 114. When I still had my Breakout I went to the dealership to buy the adjustment wrench you just showed on your video and they called the Service Tech over and he told me it wasn't adjustable. Now I know it was. I would bounce off the seat on big bumps. I guess I should find another dealer. I have had lots of issues with their service and this just adds to the aggravation knowing I rode that bike for years like that when it was adjustable.
My local dealer told me the same thing. I said my owners manual says different. It took two other service techs to get the right answer and sell me the wrench to properly adjust the shocks. Scares me to have them perform any actual work on my bike when they don’t even know the Softails are adjustable.
This was the best video to help me adjust the rear suspension of my 92 Fatboy. Thank you!
Glad it helped…..Doc
Thanks for the great info Doc! My shock absorbers weren’t even close to being set to my weight of 215... thanks for explaining it and making it easier for guys like me to do!
excellent then I had done everything right 💪 thanks DOC a greeting from Italy
I have become a big fan of your TH-cam channel. I come to you for all my Harley needs. I’m very comfortable working on my 2010 Fatboy by using you commentary and how to do video. Thank you.
I really enjoy and appreciate all of your videos, even the ones that don't apply to my model Harley. Your explanations are easy to understand. I was wondering if you would do a video regarding motor mounts. Keep up the great work.
This is funny, July 24 i bought a 2016 heritage Sunday i had my local HD shop adjust it to my 250lbs . No more bottoming out Thanks Doc
Never have touched my ‘05 softail shock! Guess it’s a good thing I never got over 170! Thanks again Doc.
Another very good video, Sir. Thanks again Doc!
Thanks for your support…..Doc
Doc.. Very well explained as always. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Doc, you taught me something new!
It's so weird how this now seems so foreign to me...I lowered two early 90's era Softail's, and cannot remember one single step of the procedure...Don't get old folks.
So can I lower my softail by doing this?
Thanks Doc, your knowledge on Harley maintenance is well appreciated.
Thank you well explained
Use the tangs of the SHOCK ADJUSTMENT SPANNER 9444882B in the holes in
the rear shock canister to turn the canister CLOCKWISE UNTIL IT STOPS.
This position is the minimum rider weight position.
Mark the face of the canister for reference.
Turn the canister COUNTERCLOCKWISE the number of turns calculated for the total load.
Shock Preload for modles FXSB, FLSTN, FLS (all except APC, AUS), FLSS (all except AUS), FLSTFB (all except HDI, ENG, IND, BRZ),
FLSTFBS (all except (HDI, ENG)
RIDER WEIGHT* TURNS**
Less than 185 lb 84 kg 0 Turns
185-235 lb 84107 kg 1 Turns
235-285 lb 107129 kg 2 Turns
285-340 lb 129154 kg 3 Turns
340 lb 154 kg to maximum added weight 4 Turns
Shock Preload for modles FLSTC, FLSTF, FLS (APC, AUS), FLSS (AUS), FLSTFB (HDI, ENG, IND, BRZ), FLSTFBS (HDI, ENG)
RIDER WEIGHT* TURNS**
Less than 165 lb 75 kg 0 Turns
165-220 lb 75100 kg 1 Turns
220-275 lb 100125 kg 2 Turns
275-335 lb 125152 kg 3 Turns
335-395 lb 152179 kg 4 Turns
395 lb 179 kg to maximum added weight 5 Turns
Thanks for posting John....Doc
Thanks you helped us out a lot
Mine is a 06 softail standard, I'm 288 is 5 full turns to much
Thanks for the great video which makes it easy to see how the adjustment works. I tried it on the jiffy stand and for the life of me I don't see how to make that work. Put the bike up on a jack and it was easy peasy. Thanks again!
Good idea thanks.
More excellent wisdom from Doc !! Thank you 😊
thanks doc got 1987 flst hairitage softail an everything almost all seams defferent.
I have been racing dirt bikes for years so I understand that way to adjust preloaded on a motorcycle. But for the average person you have done a good job in explaining this process. I have a new CVO Limited and it’s a lot easier ( as you know)to adjust the preload on the touring models.
Awe man thanks so much doc your always so informative we can’t wait to come down and meet you 👍🏻
I've been a Harley trained tech for 13 years and own my own shop now, and to this day no one has been able to explain to me the difference in softail shocks with different part numbers IE - 00, - 04, - 08 et cetera. They are the same length and look the same but different part number.
Cheers Doc from Down under Australia , helped me a lot
Great video. What if you have a rear air Legend air shock s is there any adjustment to have to take in place I’m curious is so
I have delt with Air suspension in a Softail. There is no “ If this amount of weight set air at this “ it was a trial and error. Air gave the softest ride. I just could not deal with the loss of air through fittings over a period of tine….Doc
Good info thank you for the explanation. Cleared up the mud a little.
Thanks doc. Ur the best. Straight and to the point. Thanks again
Great video , thanks Doc Harley.
I'm glad that all I have to do is take the seat off and use the adjustment wrench to turn the adjustment mechanism clockwise or counterclockwise.
Once you visualize what those shocks are actually doing it make sense how to turn them to get what you need of them!
Thank you ,from BOSTON
I did a search on how to tell if your shocks are worn out and need replacement and came across this helpful tip. Thank you for the valuable information.
I still can’t find info about my question though, perhaps you could do a vid about it sometime? Or maybe commenters could point me in the right direction please? Thanks.
Shocks are all about control. They control the movement of your rear tire and swing-arm up and down over road conditions. If you have adjusted the shock absorbers to manufacturer specifications and the rear wheel/swing-arm bounces with no control the shocks are warn out.
Thanks for sharing your Expertise !!
Hey Doc, very good to know as I am looking at a 2008, first thing i asked was where is the shocks? Second question is what are they set at?
Great questions in understanding your bike….Doc
Hi doc hope you are well , question here please ... Can i use an old style clutch cable (twin cam) on a 2018 Milwaukee 8 model Softail??? Many thanks 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I'm not sure. I have to admit I have only installed cables that are tested and fitted for your 2018. You could do a little research by going to aftermarket cable makers. Look up your bike cable then a Twin Cam cable and see if they match….Doc
Had to learn this the hard way years back !!
FYI, the center of the shock adjustment tool can also be used as a 1 1/6 inch wrench. So you really only need the 9/16 inch wrench and the tool to adjust.
1/16 ! Seems like nobody knows how to put it correctly. But what bothers me more is the fact that HD manual doesn't mention it. Torque - yes, wrench size - no. Is it so difficult to complete it with this useful info??!
Well explained Doc. No problem with my adjustment, got it perfect. 👍👍
Hello doc harley...have 2010 fatboy after riding for few hours have very sore back for a few days...i also have 1942wla and never get any back problems unless hit desent pot hole.... can not see why fatboy gives me bad back...have had since new so no idea shock setup but after viewing your video will check to see weather they are setup to hard,hopefully they are not on softest setting....love watching your videos very well explained and learn so much..regards jimmy.
Thank you Jimmy. Your 1942 wla is on my bucket list to ride...Doc
Thanks doc informative! 08 heritage.
thanks always come here for good videos
Thank you for taking time to watch...Doc
Thanks Doc .from Auzz
thanks doc with my wife on the back of my 2015 deluxe it use to bottom out since i did the adjustment on the shocks its made it i much better bike to ride thanks doc awesome ............
How many turns to adjust for the increase weight?
👍 thank you
Thank you really so good information Doc, regards from Mexico.
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Now does this raise seat height? I have been having an issue I’ve been scraping my exhaust and I would like to bring the rear end up to avoid that
No does not raise seat height just makes suspension soft to stiff….Doc
Can I add preload but also raise the shock by shortening the threaded bar doc
At first I wanted to post NO. But then you added a threaded part? Most after market threaded parts are for lowering. It might be able to adjust the other way. Just make sure you have enough still in the shocks to support your adjustment….Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson arrrr so the half inch of threaded bar is for the pre load to wind up on doc , my stock shock has never been adjusted
Do those shocks ever need cleaning, lubing, ect, on an 07 heritage?
Nothing official. Yes I check the mounting bolts. Sometimes when I hear squeaks I’ll spray lube into the canister because the spring has no lube….Doc
very clear to understand im on it thanks doc
Thats why it rides like a board \ .. / . Thanks Doc & LCHD
I have a 2010 fat boy lo. I went to adjust them, found that the two shocks weren't evenly preloaded (never been touched before), so I went full counterclockwise on both (I'm 230), and left it. Ride was much improved being both at the same. Haven't touched since, as it was a major pain to do without a lift or motorcycle jack.
Did you just do one rotation on each shock?
@@bobgil3464 I think so... I can't remember for sure. The bike was totaled since (and almost me with it)
@@Dustin359 wow sad to hear about the bike glad you are all right.
@@bobgil3464 broke a couple vertebrae, left hip socket and a couple bones in my left arm. full face helmet kept me conscious. I replaced the fat boy with a Road Glide.
@@Dustin359 I like the new 120 Anniversary CVO Road Glide Ultra. They had one on display at BikeWeek. Unfortunately don’t have $52000. Man you were messed up lucky to be alive.
Great video. Just what I was looking for.
My 06 night train bought new and lowered, I hit a pot hole it about broke my spin like you say, I haven't rode it much in the past 4 years it seems very very stiff even my front end ..like I have no shocks at all.. so you saying with a lowering kit I need to make it more stiff? Did I here you correct?
Yes but with reason. When lowering a bike you remove normal distant traveled by shock absorbers. If the springs are not stiffened the shock would bottom out and hurt…..Maybe consider Air Shocks. They are soft but not dependable….Doc
Is it possible to adjust the height also at the shock?
Only with an aftermarket part. The factory shock will not adjust height….doc
Are the factory shocks on a 1993 heritage oil dampened and nitrogen charged? I'm looking to buy the bike and the rear suspension sets very low and feels like it's bottomed out . Thank you
Sounds like the shocks have been modified to lower the bike. Lowering of coarse removes suspension full travel.
Factory shocks are large heavy duty springs with oil dampening. Don’t let the shocks stop you from your dream bike
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Thank you for your reply, I really enjoy your channel !
Hi Doc-thanks for the great video! I came across a 2008 FLSTSB (no rear lowering kit) today. I suspect that someone who installed these shocks failed to lock in the 9/16" spanner to avoid the shaft rotating (probably adjusted on the bench and reinstalled the shocks on the frame)-hence it is now so short that is no longer possible to insert the special HD tool and 9/16" spanner) to adjust the preload as per the HD instruction. I think the only way to sort out this dilemma would be to physically remove the shocks and recalibrate them and reinstall. What is your suggestion? Many thanks Arnold
What did you end up doing?
always great videos. always to the point.
I appreciate that!..Doc
Great video. You did not say anything about the bike being lower or higher. Does ajusting the shock have any effect on the height of the bike?
Not at all unless you count with the springs adjusted correctly the bike won't lower with the added weight.....Doc
The tool that you use to adjust the shock what is the other end of the tool used for
Sometimes it can break loose the nut. Most of the time I use that end on adjusting other shocks….Doc
So I got a set of ultima narrow shocks for my 88 heritage an so I shouldn't be able to make them absorb in my hand off the bike ??
I have no experience with Ultima shocks. Normally no…..Doc
Thoughts on airide suspension?
I am currently researching this idea for my slim. Legends make a good package. But I'm leaning towards ShotGun Air shocks because of more adjustalbity. The cost is high. wish they would let me install and do a video..but I will save up and purchase down the line. FYI both packages advise you have to drop a shock to drain the transmission oil....Doc
Love your videos Doc and always very helpful thank you
Great shop, always neat and clean. A professional works here.
Thank you...Doc
Doc have you seen these Heritage shock adjuster snapped off in your shop?
Only in extreme adjustment out for max lowering....Doc
Great vid! Thx.
Saw another video on softail shocks. With the special tool, the tool hooks into the holes in the plate at the end of the shaft.Also once you assemble the shock how do you torque the bolts when there is hardly any space.
Great advice man. Thanks.
Just bought my first softail a 09 night train and the manual reads opposite of what you are saying, have i missed something ? By turning CCW that moves the adjuster towards the lock nut ? Wont making the shock longer lower the bike ?
Adjusting the Springs does not lower the bike. It does relieve or add tension to the suspension. The shock is designed backwards than shocks on other models....Doc
Doc Harley, I do have a question? And my question to you is I noticed in the video your shocks on the motorcycle are install just the opposite of mine and I do have a lowering kit does that make a difference if they're installed the opposite way.
Nice to see you noticed. HD changed the direction of Softtail shocks with the Twin Cam. Adjustment is still the same….Doc
Thank you so much, keep up the grade videos they help me all the way through the process of rebuilding this custom chopper.
Hello doc
I plan to buy a Heritage softail Model 8/2016
103cui
Is it the same adjustment for this model like you shown in the video?
And under the Seat is for the 107 and 114 cui?
Thx and greetings from germany
Yes, it is....Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson thank you very much for the quick response👍🏻✌🏻
Hello Doc
I bought the 2016 Heritage Classic
103 cui
I am 207 lbs
I just had my first longer Ride in the Mountains around
I find her very firm on the back
Do you recomand the softest adjustment for my weight
Or will she get lower if softer adjustment?
It already scratches early with the harder adjustment
Thank you and greetings from germany
Very helpful thank you.
I bought a 2007 Heritage. I got it from the original owner. The shocks have never been adjusted. The ride is okay. I would like to get them adjusted. I think the ride could be quite a bit better. I rode a couple of newer softails and found out how much difference the adjustment can make. The first rode beautifully. The second rode terrible.
I agree. Though the Early models have less adjustment than the M8s…Doc
What is a good replacement shock(s) cause the HD oem ones are horrible….
There are several. Progressive sells a good unit with external adjuster. Ferrell has introduced an air system. Legends has shocks and others. It really depends on your budget…..Doc
Love that derby cover!
Sorry, i have a question, i have a 2013 heritage softail and can not find an adjustment chart anywhere. I weigh about 280, any idea how much i should adjust mine?
I'm confused!
My locknut and adjustment location is on the front, not near the rear tire.
I need to remove all of the preload. Which way do I turn the shock.
The shock get longer when I sit on the bike. Does the shock get longer when you remove the preload or does the body of the shock move rearwards?
You must have an aftermarket pair of shock....Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson No.
The rear of my shock appears to extend out from the shock body when I turn the adjuster counter clockwise. However, that is just the shock body traveling forward on the shaft. The inside, which I cannot see, is compressing the spring i.e. more preload.
A proper explanation would have saved me a lot of trouble. The preload was already minimal. I am 145 pounds, riding solo.
This is what I would have preferred as an explanation; if the far side of the shock is all the way in (the weld bead is against the shock body), the preload is soft, if it is out (max 1/2"), more preload.
The 2007 FLSTN has the locknut and adjuster on the forward end, the rear is eyelets.
Can you explain how to adjust a Softail with a lowering kit? I have a 2012 FLSTF Fat Boy. Previous owner had a lowering kit installed, he was about 5'5", 160 lbs. I'm 6', 230 lbs. I'd like to raise the ride height. I wish I could get original stub shafts, but can't find them. Thanks for any advice!
Really really good explanation for a Harley rookie like I am lol
Hi Doc, great video, I'm looking at lowering my 14 fat boy here in the UK the shocks that HD fitted are 54508-00B can I fit 54549-04 to lower the bike an inch or so....
My choices here in the states: buy just the adjustable mounting screw 54001-04A. This replaces your stock screw and allows adjustment to 1". Or purchase the complete shock set 54651-05 which are chrome and lower the bike 3/4" with stiffer springs for the lesser travel.
I just bought a 08 softail custom and it sits about 1 inch too high for my stubby legs. Will adjusting the shocks lower the bike or do I need an actual lowering kit? Thank you.
Thanks Doc.
Hello DOC, I have some questions, sorry but I translate wrong and I need some clarification. counterclockwise hardens the spring, clockwise softens the spring?
Turning the adjuster plates OUT (towards the locknut) compresses the spring for a stiffer ride.....Doc
Hey doc, do these adjustments raise/lower the bike?
No...Doc
Thanks doc.
Hi, have a fatboy and a heritage with the 422 progressive springs. they where never set at exact setting for preload. i weigh 90 kg (about 200 pounds). i thought of giving them 1 turn counterclockwise because stock they are supplied at the softest setting. what do you think ?
A good place to start did you make the adjustment?
My 2012 doesn't have that spot on the bolt for a 9/16" wrench. It has another 1 1/16" nut. Previous owner had it lowered 1" and was 6" shorter and 60#'s lighter. How do I adjust that?
I have a 07 De Luxe and it is very low and i turn it Clockwise to make the absorbers short. Am I right? I just wanna it a little high to the ground...
I turn 5 turns (clockwise) each side and seems nothing happened.....
The adjustment has nothing to do with height and everything to do with soft to hard ride. If your bike is very low, it probably has a lowering kit. Depending on manufacturer, that allows height adjustment….Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidsonthanks !
I HAVE AN 89 SOFT TAIL DO THE SPINGS WEAR OUT?
Yes…..Doc
Hello how are you ?
I am 5f 6 in i need to lower my 2007 harley softail classic would be greatly if you can give me some info Thanks
The best way to lower is front and rear at the same time. There are several aftermarket parts that will change the internal springs in the front to lower 1-1 half inches. And there are parts that replace factory mounts in the rear shocks that will allow you to lower. please keep in mind when lowering a bike your ground clearance will be less, especially in corners and the ride will slightly stiffer....Doc
So I got a 96 springer Softail a nd was on a ride today 9-4-22anx thought I broke frame and or suspension in the rear so after getting home and looking underneath of it and it looks like if you're sitting on it it would be the right side dual shock underneath actually it's the left side if you're sitting on it bolt broke off that holds the front that was the bolt broke off in the front that mounts the front of the shock to where whatever that is but is that a through and through bolt and nut or just a bolt that gets threaded into that sleeve somehow I'm brand new Harley owner as of one year ago about this old beast from a friend and got about 55,000 miles on it but she still runs good just had it on a dime now any help I can get with this question I just need to know because there's nothing to put a wrench or socket on to turn it out I'm going to have to easy out it out thanks doc Harley
Again is that a through bolt that goes through both of the shocks and the front where they mount I guess that's to the frame I think is it just one long bolt that goes through both of those and the frame area of the front of those shocks for the front tire so like a bolt and nut or is it a bolt from each side that threads into something needing to know if I need the easy out that out or just take it to a shop thanks
Each shock has bolt in the front that threads into the frame in front and one bolt in the back that threads into the swingarm. So 4 bolts all together.....Doc
The funny thing about this is the adjustment wrench doubles as a 1and 1 -16 and this guy is a professional come on
I had my Harley dealer install the lowering kit. They never asked me my weight, but they set it up for myself alone and with a rider. With two we don't bottom out, with one, it's really smooth unless you hit a noticeable pot hole. Rides smooth, tracks straight. 09 softail custom.
Thank. You.
Thank you too....Doc
So counter clockwise to make stiffer???
Doc... I have a 2006 fxst and do have the factory Harley Manuel... no chart for poundage in my Manuel? I’m about 220ish solo rider... took all the way in as you say and then took out 1 1/2 turns counter-clockwise... from zero... do you have a reference chart you can provide as stated in video?
I have looked and can not find. 1 1/2 is a good starting point. 4 turns is max. Thanks ~ Doc
Question: (2016 Fatboy S) So in conclusion, if you want to carry more weight, you will need to lower the bike to increase the preload by turning counter clockwise and making the shock longer. Is there a way or shock system to increase preload to carry two people WITHOUT lowering the bike.
I obviously have not explained this correctly. No way does lowering the back end increase payload....a Softtail shock adjusts oppisite from standard shocks. Many aftermarket shocks offer an external adjuster for preload....Doc
Hi Doc, major question, how do you dis-assemble the Softail rear shocks? I have a set of progressives on my 1986 heritage, but nobody offers any shocks for the 1986 year frame, so that means I need to rebuild these/ replace the springs in them. please respond.
thank you,
A. C.
First purchase a Harley-Davidson Service Manual. It will show you step by step. We use a hydraulic press and adapters to hold the shock. Please send an email to marketing@lowcountryharley.com and I will send you a photo of an example. Thanks ~ Doc
I keep watching this video. I still don't understand the concept. Underneath using the spanner wrench can't I just turn it once or twice clockwise for a stiffer ride? or counter for a softer ride? After loosening the locknut of course. Do I have to have it up on a lift?
It is counter clockwise to stiffen. Thanks ~ Doc