I feel like, in a weird way, Akira won the battle. Ryo threatens Akira that if he doesnt join him, he'll kill him. And Akira said he'll "drag him to hell with him". Welp, Ryo is all alone, and killed the *only* person he really cared about. And then got rekt by the "Heaven Nuke". And it's gonna keep happening :)
Akira is there to teach Reo (Lucifer) what he lacks and to punish him for his pride against God. To teach empathy. Ultimately the punishment is eternal regret and dispair over the only thing he ever loved. Poetic and sad af.
One thing to note about pacing, I believe it was stated in an interview that pacing towards the end was intentional and a representation of how quickly social media can spread and escalate panic situations. Our ability to communicate in this generation is much greater than when the series was originally written for better or worse
That makes total sense, and I felt that connection and intention while watching. Rather than that stuff, I was speaking mainly about the final confrontation with humanity. There are characters and processes and settings that get a mere handful of seconds onscreen, and the battle itself could have been drawn out a bit. I do appreciate that this would've marred the tight focus of this Devilman story, though.
Exactly especially how terrifying it must be seeing someone transforming into a demon on live television during a sporting event would get everyone in panic and everything escalating from there.
I did ship them. And then I litterally cried at the end. Bc Ryo cried over Akira even though he’s Satan. I’m pretty sure Ryo loved Akira. Bc he turned him into a half devil just for that reason. Then he died so yea
@@chloecoffin1169 From what I understand, It was Ryos plan all along to basically end the world so demons/devils could thrive again without humans. And he wanted Akira there with him, so that's why he turned him into a devilman. But his plan backfired for several reasons, and ended up accidentally severing Akira in half. And idk if this is the first run through in the time loop, im thinking the story takes place in the second loop, but God has basically damned Ryo/Satan to kill his friend/love interest for eternity
Reply to this please ! Someone please add the possibility of Aliens into the Devilman Universe, A.I and Buddhism. Can Akira and Ryo conjure up a comprimise? I Believe so. ✌😄✌
Well I didn't notice the eye thing in Akira's eye, now that I've checked even his mouth actually went from shut to open but he seemingly passed away before Ryo started the love talk.. damn what an ending, overall an amazing anime this was.
Also that match cut of young Akira handing the baton to Ryo paired with the shot of devilman punching Satan through the ice is brilliant visual storytelling. It suggest that even in this final moment, Akira is desperately trying to teach Ryo about empathy and compassion. Even in this violent way, he isn’t just trying to get revenge, he’s trying to get *through* to Ryo. One last, seemingly futile time. The love these two opposites have for each other is staggering. Even after everything has happened, Akira still sees the potential for good in Ryo, and he’s desperately trying to reach in and grab it. It’s somewhat tragic that Akira never gets to know that it actually worked. Since it requires his death he never actually saw Satan cry. He never saw that he made the devil experience love (love itself, theologically speaking, being an expression of God). He, in a sense, redeemed the devil himself through his martyrdom- something thought impossible. Brilliant and beautiful stuff
Um, you say it's not fair to compare it to a shounen, but it's totally fair. Devilman the 1972 manga which Crybaby adapts, is a shounen. It ran in Weekly Shounen Magazine with other shounen titles like Ashita no Joe and Cyborg 009.
The added sex made it adult, but the violence was already present. We're in a society where seeing demons and people being ripped apart is totally fine and not disgusting, but think of the children should they see a titty or see people engage in the act of reproduction.
I take your point, but, to be fair, Crybaby isn't exactly awash in loving and mutually caring acts of reproduction. Most if not all of the sex is actually sexual assault and/or rape, so I don't think it'd be that hyper-sensitive or hypocritical for someone to say "nah, this one is a little much for my kids." Hell, the violence alone would make such a move understandable, IMO. I've never read the manga, but being familiar with Go Nagai's works I can imagine how violent it is. And, as I said, you're right that I should have remembered that when I spoke about the fairness of the comparison.
It was violent, but because it was in a shounen manga, his editor steered him away from going too controversial. Crybaby in part kinda fulfills what Nagai wanted to do with his manga. He wrote and drew an autobiographical called Gekiman years ago (Still ongoing) where he explains how he came up with Devilman. Particularly this summary (Geki is his name in this fictional version of himself) says a lot : To this end, Geki tried to implement elements such as Soviet Russia and its weapons but was told by his editor to leave them subtle but contemporary. Events that the manga reflected included the Gulf War and the sarin attack on the Tokyo subway (comparing it to the Jinmen event) that were decades before their time. Some elements while already controversial in the then more controlled Weekly Shonen Magazine had to be removed including a highly gruesome death and a rape scene during the fight with Sirene. The final chapter mentions that the decision of a handsome young man as the hero was by the editorial department which was stated to be part of the reason that fans were able to follow the story for so long. However because of this, Geki created the related character of Violence Jack as a more literal personification of a 'Devil Man' as a metaphor that the story of Devilman was completed. devilman.wikia.com/wiki/Gekiman!
My problem with the ending was never that it was a sad ending. It's just that it felt rushed, the reveal of Ryo as Lucifer/Satan was handled much smoother and smarter in the manga, than in this readoption. You kinda slowly realized who he really was thought hints and foreshadowing, it was very cleverly done. The whole war too, it lasted for ca 20 years, but in the anime it felt like 2 hours. So the way they showed time passing, the resistance of the last of humanity and the devilmen, was not optimal and was honestly the biggest disappointment for me. I loved everything else about the readaption, but the last episode fell flat.
Even though the story was kinda "rushed" in this adaptation, I kinda like that it was short and to the point. But I do wish some things were explained further
I take more issue with how Ryo's character has been changed into being a heartless, almost completely irredeemable monster. In the manga he was actually a sympathetic character, but here the series wrote as the guy everyone is supposed to hate. Why should we feel bad for him when he's getting what he deserves.
The rappers in the beginning ended up being good guys I actually was rooting for them too and then what they rapped about in there song the lyrics made me have a different interpretation about then rest in peace to all the lives lost 😢
My theory on the ending was that Ryo is already in hell & this was his punishment from God to repeat his mistakes over & over again & that the moon was a reminder of his failures/actions of what he done & was destined to repeat for eternity so this is actually Ryo's hell were seeing.
It’s such a shame that we’ll never get an ending to Berserk, but the more I think about it the more I come to a conclusion that if we were to get one it would be similar to this. It’s extremely obvious to anyone familiar with both series that Guts and Griffiths relationship is heavily influenced by Akira and Asuka/Ryo. Not even just the love aspect but even things as basic as their character design and personalities. They’re both very, very similar in key ways (but still unique enough to feel like their own thing). Griffith would ultimately “win” against Guts in the military sense- he would get to keep his kingdom and his subjects and his legacy, but he would lose Guts and the only love and empathy he had ever truly felt in his life, the only one to make him forget about his dream and love life how it was in the present, and he would forever regret the decisions he made. He gained a Kingdom but lost his world so to speak. Just as Ryo reclaimed the world but lost the one thing that made living in it worthwhile to him. It’s a victory through tragedy- the ultimate Pyrrhic victory
lol I can relate to the part of this video when they talk about that theologan who was hated for believing that God would eventually even forgive and teach (the lesson being the whole movie's point) even Satan. Correct me if Im wrong but are’nt there similar themes in Modern Judaism ? Like my one Jewish mate said that you do’nt go to hell that its more of a cleansing of the soul. That you learn a lesson.
One Piece is an amazing Shounen Anime that doesn’t always beat the bad guys with might. Lots of time it’s the heart and selflessness of the Straw Hat crew that turns the tide in battles
All the devil man series are canon because lucifers punishment is cyclical. The way lucifer come to his empathic realization is different but always happens before the reset. Psycho Jenny is supposed to know about it and guide that outcome.
ryo was meant to help defeat the demons in akiras eyes, he was meant to change and be on the side of the humans rather than to sacrifice people for his own selfish pleasures and because he didn’t realize this and understand his part he couldn’t take the baton being passed to him, he wasn’t a part of that fight. of course this is just my personal interpretation
I just laid here looking at the same clip for 20 while I hear about biblical talk over an anime that has a dark and deep meaning at 1:19 in the morning what is wrong with me
@@WaruiDeshou Not exactly. Although it may be cruel, he's actually trying to save Satan. In Devilman Lady, it's revealed that God is keeping Satan in this cycle for the sake of teaching him that love is more important than pride. Until Satan/Ryo realizes that his hatred towards God and that his pride is of less value than love, he'll be stuck in this cycle. It's like punishing a child with repeated discipline.
@@carkat3203 We are only considering Crybaby as a singular text, as (a) we are unfamiliar with the tie-ins (b) we think it's fairest to the show and pretty valuable to consider this text on its own.
I’ve honestly started crying when Akira died and he was asking him why he was having this weird feeling ..
I feel like, in a weird way, Akira won the battle.
Ryo threatens Akira that if he doesnt join him, he'll kill him. And Akira said he'll "drag him to hell with him".
Welp, Ryo is all alone, and killed the *only* person he really cared about. And then got rekt by the "Heaven Nuke".
And it's gonna keep happening :)
Consequence No. 62 so there will be a season 2 where ryo and akira are reincarnated
pr naruto really
Naw. Akira lost because he's in hell now lol.
@@crowing3886 Why would he go to hell? He fought the demons and Satan himself, and also the entire world resets right after the fight.
@@Lumi8182 because god is a asshole lol The loop resets for ryos hell. Finish the rest of the series to finish the story.
After miki died I stopped caring who else died.
Kos4Evr Haha, I feel you.
Should of taken that gun lol
Ssammyblue "I'm no murderer"
Ok....well....
There was no one left to die 😂😂😂
I cried at the deaths of the main cast and the death of Micos dad and son and mom died
I balled my eyes out when Akira died.
Tired Eyes aw, I still haven't seen it lol yes I know what video I'm watching
Same!
gay butt plug watch Tokyo ghoul
The only reason I watched this anime was to cry, but even after watching this I didn’t shed a single tear
Akira is there to teach Reo (Lucifer) what he lacks and to punish him for his pride against God. To teach empathy. Ultimately the punishment is eternal regret and dispair over the only thing he ever loved. Poetic and sad af.
Poetic and sad af is too right
One thing to note about pacing, I believe it was stated in an interview that pacing towards the end was intentional and a representation of how quickly social media can spread and escalate panic situations. Our ability to communicate in this generation is much greater than when the series was originally written for better or worse
That makes total sense, and I felt that connection and intention while watching. Rather than that stuff, I was speaking mainly about the final confrontation with humanity. There are characters and processes and settings that get a mere handful of seconds onscreen, and the battle itself could have been drawn out a bit. I do appreciate that this would've marred the tight focus of this Devilman story, though.
Exactly especially how terrifying it must be seeing someone transforming into a demon on live television during a sporting event would get everyone in panic and everything escalating from there.
Well it looks like we’ve experienced it in March this year
Ain't that the truth...
Is it bad that I legit shipped Akira and Ryo.. And then I saw the end and oml.. I died
Not bad. Never bad.
Didnt one of them actually like the other
I did ship them. And then I litterally cried at the end. Bc Ryo cried over Akira even though he’s Satan. I’m pretty sure Ryo loved Akira. Bc he turned him into a half devil just for that reason. Then he died so yea
@@chloecoffin1169 From what I understand,
It was Ryos plan all along to basically end the world so demons/devils could thrive again without humans.
And he wanted Akira there with him, so that's why he turned him into a devilman.
But his plan backfired for several reasons, and ended up accidentally severing Akira in half.
And idk if this is the first run through in the time loop, im thinking the story takes place in the second loop, but God has basically damned Ryo/Satan to kill his friend/love interest for eternity
Dizkushon yeah I’m pretty sure ryo liked Akira and he realized that at the end
Sadly I guarantee you 100% this shit gonna happen in real life just without the demons or devils or deity we’ll just destroy ourselves
Danny Nguyen yeah 😼
Reply to this please ! Someone please add the possibility of Aliens into the Devilman Universe, A.I and Buddhism. Can Akira and Ryo conjure up a comprimise? I Believe so. ✌😄✌
Well I didn't notice the eye thing in Akira's eye, now that I've checked even his mouth actually went from shut to open but he seemingly passed away before Ryo started the love talk.. damn what an ending, overall an amazing anime this was.
Also that match cut of young Akira handing the baton to Ryo paired with the shot of devilman punching Satan through the ice is brilliant visual storytelling. It suggest that even in this final moment, Akira is desperately trying to teach Ryo about empathy and compassion. Even in this violent way, he isn’t just trying to get revenge, he’s trying to get *through* to Ryo. One last, seemingly futile time. The love these two opposites have for each other is staggering. Even after everything has happened, Akira still sees the potential for good in Ryo, and he’s desperately trying to reach in and grab it. It’s somewhat tragic that Akira never gets to know that it actually worked. Since it requires his death he never actually saw Satan cry. He never saw that he made the devil experience love (love itself, theologically speaking, being an expression of God). He, in a sense, redeemed the devil himself through his martyrdom- something thought impossible. Brilliant and beautiful stuff
good news, the manga version of devil man actually have a sequel titled バイオレンスジャック, setting after the earth was destroyed and recreated.
Do you mean Devilman Lady?
@@crisbowman4964 No, devil lady is just some sexualized version. The manga translate word by word should be Violence Jack.
@@jj987987987 Oh, ok. Thanks for the info
@@crisbowman4964 u mean one summer day or?
Um, you say it's not fair to compare it to a shounen, but it's totally fair.
Devilman the 1972 manga which Crybaby adapts, is a shounen. It ran in Weekly Shounen Magazine with other shounen titles like Ashita no Joe and Cyborg 009.
That's true. I suppose I was just unconsciously focusing on this very polished, very adult, version. - Subs
The added sex made it adult, but the violence was already present. We're in a society where seeing demons and people being ripped apart is totally fine and not disgusting, but think of the children should they see a titty or see people engage in the act of reproduction.
I take your point, but, to be fair, Crybaby isn't exactly awash in loving and mutually caring acts of reproduction. Most if not all of the sex is actually sexual assault and/or rape, so I don't think it'd be that hyper-sensitive or hypocritical for someone to say "nah, this one is a little much for my kids." Hell, the violence alone would make such a move understandable, IMO.
I've never read the manga, but being familiar with Go Nagai's works I can imagine how violent it is. And, as I said, you're right that I should have remembered that when I spoke about the fairness of the comparison.
It was violent, but because it was in a shounen manga, his editor steered him away from going too controversial. Crybaby in part kinda fulfills what Nagai wanted to do with his manga.
He wrote and drew an autobiographical called Gekiman years ago (Still ongoing) where he explains how he came up with Devilman. Particularly this summary (Geki is his name in this fictional version of himself) says a lot :
To this end, Geki tried to implement elements such as Soviet Russia and its weapons but was told by his editor to leave them subtle but contemporary. Events that the manga reflected included the Gulf War and the sarin attack on the Tokyo subway (comparing it to the Jinmen event) that were decades before their time. Some elements while already controversial in the then more controlled Weekly Shonen Magazine had to be removed including a highly gruesome death and a rape scene during the fight with Sirene. The final chapter mentions that the decision of a handsome young man as the hero was by the editorial department which was stated to be part of the reason that fans were able to follow the story for so long. However because of this, Geki created the related character of Violence Jack as a more literal personification of a 'Devil Man' as a metaphor that the story of Devilman was completed.
devilman.wikia.com/wiki/Gekiman!
@@WaruiDeshou read the manga
My problem with the ending was never that it was a sad ending. It's just that it felt rushed, the reveal of Ryo as Lucifer/Satan was handled much smoother and smarter in the manga, than in this readoption. You kinda slowly realized who he really was thought hints and foreshadowing, it was very cleverly done.
The whole war too, it lasted for ca 20 years, but in the anime it felt like 2 hours. So the way they showed time passing, the resistance of the last of humanity and the devilmen, was not optimal and was honestly the biggest disappointment for me. I loved everything else about the readaption, but the last episode fell flat.
It wasn't rushed it was just trying to make the plot twist a lot more interesting
What I didn't know the war was ment to lasted for 20 years 😳
Even though the story was kinda "rushed" in this adaptation, I kinda like that it was short and to the point. But I do wish some things were explained further
I think it was so rushed to show how easy humanity can turn against each other and fall apart
I take more issue with how Ryo's character has been changed into being a heartless, almost completely irredeemable monster. In the manga he was actually a sympathetic character, but here the series wrote as the guy everyone is supposed to hate. Why should we feel bad for him when he's getting what he deserves.
Reyo: *sees animal that moves*
Wips out razor blade
Then it starts over
Atraylyew Pyro as said by the other comments god will make another earth as a cycle and to my understanding ryo and akira will be reincarnated
If you wish to see the Devil for who he is, look at a mirror.
I just finished your podcast on this episode. It was bloody brilliant.
10/10
Thank you so much!
I am still CRYING T_T
Akira really won and lost 😭 but I believe leaving him alone with absolutely no one is messed up more than dying.
The rappers in the beginning ended up being good guys I actually was rooting for them too and then what they rapped about in there song the lyrics made me have a different interpretation about then rest in peace to all the lives lost 😢
This anime is so good, I want to own it.
I wiiiish
My theory on the ending was that Ryo is already in hell & this was his punishment from God to repeat his mistakes over & over again & that the moon was a reminder of his failures/actions of what he done & was destined to repeat for eternity so this is actually Ryo's hell were seeing.
I like it!
GOD this video is amazing! you guys are awesome with your deep thinker minds.
Thank you so much!
The soundtrack is a legit masterpiece.
Fantastic!
The most fucked up thing is that god wins against Satan in the end. Even when it takes the extermination of humanity to do so.
It’s such a shame that we’ll never get an ending to Berserk, but the more I think about it the more I come to a conclusion that if we were to get one it would be similar to this. It’s extremely obvious to anyone familiar with both series that Guts and Griffiths relationship is heavily influenced by Akira and Asuka/Ryo. Not even just the love aspect but even things as basic as their character design and personalities. They’re both very, very similar in key ways (but still unique enough to feel like their own thing).
Griffith would ultimately “win” against Guts in the military sense- he would get to keep his kingdom and his subjects and his legacy, but he would lose Guts and the only love and empathy he had ever truly felt in his life, the only one to make him forget about his dream and love life how it was in the present, and he would forever regret the decisions he made. He gained a Kingdom but lost his world so to speak. Just as Ryo reclaimed the world but lost the one thing that made living in it worthwhile to him. It’s a victory through tragedy- the ultimate Pyrrhic victory
lol I can relate to the part of this video when they talk about that theologan who was hated for believing that God would eventually even forgive and teach (the lesson being the whole movie's point) even Satan. Correct me if Im wrong but are’nt there similar themes in Modern Judaism ? Like my one Jewish mate said that you do’nt go to hell that its more of a cleansing of the soul. That you learn a lesson.
One Piece is an amazing Shounen Anime that doesn’t always beat the bad guys with might. Lots of time it’s the heart and selflessness of the Straw Hat crew that turns the tide in battles
Good video keep up the good work
Thanks so much!
All the devil man series are canon because lucifers punishment is cyclical. The way lucifer come to his empathic realization is different but always happens before the reset. Psycho Jenny is supposed to know about it and guide that outcome.
it would be cool if god reset the timeline and then the og devilman started
I've heard other people theorizing this, and I'm into it.
You guys must be from the valley cause alll these damn "like"s.
Still confused with the whole repeated batton dropping scene what was with that?
Everyone running with the baton died in the order that it was passed and then it dropped before reaching ryo , idk tho
ryo was meant to help defeat the demons in akiras eyes, he was meant to change and be on the side of the humans rather than to sacrifice people for his own selfish pleasures and because he didn’t realize this and understand his part he couldn’t take the baton being passed to him, he wasn’t a part of that fight. of course this is just my personal interpretation
I just laid here looking at the same clip for 20 while I hear about biblical talk over an anime that has a dark and deep meaning at 1:19 in the morning what is wrong with me
One of us!
009 vs devilman??? What universe is that? Netflix btw
KeyBrute89 non-canon
Thanks, I was wondering.
I wonder if they saw the after credits scene.
God is the true villain.
We talked a lot about the post credits sequence in our full podcast, which is linked in the description.
@@WaruiDeshou Not exactly. Although it may be cruel, he's actually trying to save Satan. In Devilman Lady, it's revealed that God is keeping Satan in this cycle for the sake of teaching him that love is more important than pride. Until Satan/Ryo realizes that his hatred towards God and that his pride is of less value than love, he'll be stuck in this cycle. It's like punishing a child with repeated discipline.
@@carkat3203 We are only considering Crybaby as a singular text, as (a) we are unfamiliar with the tie-ins (b) we think it's fairest to the show and pretty valuable to consider this text on its own.
@@carkat3203 Isn't Satan's memory reset after every "úwù my best friend died because I shot a giant laser at him"?
@@Lumi8182 Yeah.
Yo I watched this in one day
You poor poor soul
@@WaruiDeshou same actually
Oh yeah yeah
Still prefer the two ovas
two OVAs?
Ryo is like griffith from berserk whos with me?
Antichrist:game over for me
Jesus returned and new world and eternal peace and Satan and the demons face eternal torture
i just stopped watching. i genuinely was just done with it. love everything about it but what the fuck was that ending?
Y'all sound so uncomfortable
We good tho!
Like
This shi soo boring just repeaing a gif and talking talk about boring
Cyril Taylor then don’t watch it then...