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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- A deep dive into The TF2 Class We Never Got.
Many people suggest a 10th TF2 Class... Madcap, The Civilian, Saxton Hale, but are any of them true? What if I told you one class idea was acknowledged by Valve and almost got into the game? Enjoy this coverage of a significant part Team Fortress 2 history using the chapters below!
0:00 - The Backstory
0:32 - Other Common 10th Class theories
1:57 - The Old State of TF2 Before Community updates (Context)
2:53 - The Class Update Day 1
3:20 - Weapons (New)
5:15 - Playstyle and Abilities
9:12 - Valve’s Response
10:55 - Class Update Day 2
11:17 - Interview With Class Creator
12:36 - Why was it scrapped?
14:25 - The Conspiracy / TF2 Community’s Response
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fun fact : if playing as Saxton Hale you can finish your heavy contracts
WUT
Nice
Makes sense, seeing as Heavy is the base model for SH.
M'aiq thinks that would make sense
I did my second banana contract with this bug
Question mark is the only bonus mercenary we got.
Pls nerf Question mark, so broken
question mark is WAYY too op
how can he do everything that all of the other classes can do by HIMSELF and BETTER????
Bro Thats so true lol
TRUTH THO.
I think a problem with the guard dog is that its weapons felt more like abilitys then actual weapons
Yea but I don't think a dog can wield a gun with its legs so
Engineer?
And who would shoot a cute littel puppy
The military would do it 😊
hopefully one day, there's gonna be a community server that adds a playable guard dog through v-script
Yes but, I would actually have to think about playing against/shooting a dog, rather than thinking about the doggo's play style in game.
@@vintagememelord8168 To add to that, there would definitely be a moment where a bunch of dog friendly's have peace, much like a heavy, but someone kills one and the server goes mad
yeah
considering the dedication that tf2 players have, it wouldnt be not long, maybe a few months
I never would play this winston wannabe
The Guard Dog is a cool concept and all, but it is far too overpowered. It's a walking sentry, can pick up medkits for other players, and..let's face it. No one wants to shoot a dog. PETA would have a field day. I can see why Call of Duty can get away with it because..well, it's Call of Duty we're talking about.
Maybe if it was a robo dog, like in MVM style, but shooting a dog, not to mention the weird unhinged fanbase some tf2 players can be, i wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to do some unholy things with the dog class. a cool idea, but i think we should get something like a strategist instead of a pet, that doesnt really fit the bloody goofy style of tf2.
@@rad_nor5861I feel like the guard dog being a robot dog in the MvM machine style would be the best way to go about it. As if you destroy the dog, it could just explode or something, so it doesn’t feel like killing an actual dog. And about your point of people doing unholy things to the dog, I think that’s just something that comes with creating any character unfortunately.
Now, I do think the idea of a little robot dog fits Tf2 well. As we have characters like engi who make machines, so the robot dog isn’t unrealistic in the tf2 universe. And it would save the team behind tf2 time in making a new human character, as when making a human character you have to give them a unique and memorable design that fits all the design philosophies of the og classes, you have to give them a unique nationality/accent that can be made fun of without it being offensive (ie spy being French, demoman being Scottish, engi having a Texas accent, etc.), and you have to give them a unique personality that works well with the other classes’ personalities. A robot dog is much easier, and it technically does fit all of the criteria I listed. A robot dog in the style of MvM machines with team coloring like engi’s machines fits the design philosophies well, we haven’t had a robot character yet, so it’s different from the others (yes, the robot dog won’t have a nationality or accent, but pyro doesn’t either), and the robot dog would have a unique personally of being a pet, which could work well of the characters. As I imagine it, scout would love the dog, but the dog would find scout annoying and usually won’t listen to him. Soldier would try to constantly train and toughen up the dog. Pyro would absolutely love the dog and would always want to play with it, but the dog would be terrified of pyro. Demoman will probably be indifferent to the dog, maybe he would try to get it drunk with him or something. Heavy and the dog would probably have a mutual respect for one another. Engi would be it’s creator and the dog would love engi. Medic and Spy would find the dog dirty and disgusting, but medic would probably experiment on it or something. And sniper and the dog will probably have the strongest relationship, giving sniper a very close friend, which he doesn’t really have at this point.
But anyway, that just my view on why the guard dog as a robot dog would fit well as a class. I kinda started rambling and forgot I am replying to you, so sorry I guess. Also, I have ignored everything about the gameplay of the guard dog, and that’s because I don’t have much to say on it other than it needs to be changed for it to work or be more fleshed out. I just wanted to say how the idea of the character would work well in the game and fits the “bloody goofy style of tf2” like you said.
I mean, no one has a problem shooting a hamster in Overwatch. I think what differentiates this from shooting a normal animal in some other game is that this dog is trying to kill you.
too op? turn it into a drone dog, spy will have another reason to use the second slot that only is user to counter engineer. and he can't use medkit (he is a robot) that will conflict with the engineer gameplay and make it more balanced
My phsycotic ass killing every killable thing in every game
tf2 launched in 2007, not 2009.
Lol wtf i was meant to edit this and forgot ty
come atleast give a man some slack 😔
@@videoplayback_NO!!!
@@videoplayback_N O
@@videoplayback_WE WILL NOT
No joke I think the mad cap would probably be a better candidate to be added, balanced, works with tf2’s art style and is fun
Madcap from what ive seen is just spy but without cloak or disguise and instead being replaced by a grease gun and pistol makes engineer an absolute impossible counter since he has no real way of dealing with sentries aside from just doing circles ontop of hit while bashing it and getting shot to death
@@Dyedraina People have tried balancing out the madcap more and I like the concepts, so it could be a possibility if someone refined it more.
Madcap is too close to Scout imo.
From what i’ve seen he would have the same gimmick as demoknight but before demoknight
The Guard dog is a fire idea but seems too overpowered due to it being a running sentry and possibly not disguisable as a spy, so our best pick is probably madcap or a merc that could probably use a AR.
the thing valve did with tf2 is they didn't go down the route of generic war simulator blah blah Gabe and the gang decided that it would be better to make more inventive mid range weapons like the rocket launcher kind of the shortstop and other weapons and thats one of the many many reasons why TF2 is such a great game
Not A running century gun the creator. said the guns are not as powerful as they look.
@@azikhan1707 To be fair, look at the mini sentry. It's very weak but everyone can't stand it, now imagine that but being able to move around
@valentine6388 So I don't think it will automatically aim like a sentry. It's probably better than a mini sentry in damage so That balances out.
The guns don’t have aimbot though
If they did add this, it would've been cool to get cosmetic items to change the dog breed
zombie dog, imagine
Add a beagle as a cosmetic for the guard dog class and name it "the british hound", as it mostly comes from england and britain, and also adds extra speed as in real life its a fast breed, and also makes it slower as it takes supply, as its a small breed dog. (just an idea)
@@jecksfoxofficial voodoo cursed guard-dog soul
a frikin bull dog named princess
Imagine having a Poodle with guns chasing after you
Would be cool if the Guard dog had voice modulater similer to the one from "Up" and say engineer gave it one
are you afraid to mis-gender a fictional dog???
@@skelety_probably
@@skelety_ It's more like a pevention IF the valve team aproves the Idea, and give the dog a gender. Then there will be that guy saying "It's not a HE, it's a SHE!" or vice-versa.
@@skelety_and that's why we have the concept of "it" lol
lmao@@LocalSinkPisser
I thought the 10th class was the friends we made along the way
Reaal
I had an idea for a tenth class; the caster's quarterly witch. She had a revolver, a spellbook (basically a pda to select spells to cast), and a staff. I even created 2 unlock: a tarrot card deck that gave you a random AOE spells ranging from jarate rain and meteor showers to making enemy heads big while reducing the size of teammate heads, and a summoning circle that let you summon ghosts, skeletons, monoculus, and a jr version of the Horsless Headless Horseman.
For one of TF2's "lost/removed 10th classes" like the Civilian I would like to add the Commander - back in the early 2000s when TF2 was still in development hell and meant to be realistic, the Commander was to be a non-physical class - there would be only one per team, he wouldn't be ON the battlefield but be supervising it, giving general orders and calling special attacks like air strikes, and look at the map through the eyes of the other players + cameras Engineers could build
He was removed after the decision to make TF2 cartoony as the whole game in that stage was way too difficult to make it balanced and fun
there were also the Officer (playable) and the Instructor (non playable)
here's an entire insane Idea for a Class. Meet The Viralist:
similar to the engineer in only one aspect: building. you set up traps around the map, that unlike sentries or demo's stickies, are completely independent of themself. this isn't the main function, but it is one. these traps aren't harming so much as harassing, from the glue bucket, which halves the movement of a class when it falls on them, (activated by walking through a doorway it's planted on), the air canister, a ground placed one that fires an airblast to any player... ANY player that walks in front of it, pushing them, and then finally, a decoy, that's appears to be a cardboard cutout with a spy mask on of a random class. it will loop the kazotsky kick emote to enemies that see it, appearing as an enemy. it has a pitiful 25 health.
then, there are the cameras. you have 3 cameras. these can be placed across the map. you have to actually look at the ipad model to see what's on them, pressing the fire key to switch, and the left trigger to self distruct them to allow you to place them. there's no pinging feature or anything, but it can see through spy disguises and decoys. not invisibility though. these cameras do not pan. you can destroy them easily with their instant destruction speed, (10 hp) allowing for easy counterplay. it's a useful way to gather information, especially on MVM gamemodes and surveilance on sentry nests. the cameras make an obvious whirring sound like a console overheading.
main weapon is a railgun (in function.) it's a simple gun scrapped together from road signs and stuff. the weapons barrel end is a toaster that's loaded from the front. if you tap fire, it fires a pitiful 20 damage shot with no crit chance. if held for a short while, it will cook the toast, making it deal more damage and actually have a chance to crit. if held even further, you lose the crit chance, the damage becomes 20 again, but it also sets enemies on fire. it fires TWO projectiles that TOTAL 20 damage, so if one get's blocked you are only doing ten. if held long enough, it will explode in your hands, killing you instantly. stock meele is a plunger that pulls enemies toward you each time you hit them, but only does the damage of a stock bat. the reload for the toast railgun thing is about 3 seconds (missisipi). the main goal of this class is harassment. the projectiles will arc starting at 30 meters. you hold alt fire to charge the railgun, so you can precharge shots.
I know he doesn't fit the 1900's theme of tf2, but I still thought it was funny to design a class after prank yt channels. might also work if rebranded to a more reality tv host vibe.
I like it!
interesting
So spy have 2 enemies now besides pyro. The dog are hard to backstab & can find you by scent.
It's actually really interesting when you compare it to Valorant and Skye's dog as i feel like it would fill much of the same kinda role of disturbance and pressure as opposed to direct damage. I also wonder just how different TF2 would be if this WAS a playable class, it's very interesting to think about. Banger vid Oris!
right!! it would be so cool to have a class with a more specific harassing function. and thanks so much :D
“The missing tf2 class”
*EMESIS BLUE FLASHBACKS*
to balance the guard dog a few things they could do is: 1 make the hanger fire like a tier 1 on sentry, 2 make it so the helper reduces the health\ammo on tier 2 and 3 by ether 15% or 20%, three give the guard dog some sort of voice modulator so It can use voice lines. 4 make the hater have a jump similar to the detonator's jump.
When i hear the 10th class it make my eyes hurt and it's eternity in there
Emesis BLU?!
@@callum9509 yes
ITS LONGER THAN YOU THINK
@@Longgoose i ve seen the other side
@@Icetchoppa I saw my grandfather. He's been dead for 30 years.
Although very cool, the guard dog class would indeed be better as weapons or even subclasses for other characters. You could even keep the dog aspect, like for example, a hound master subclass for engie, or a dog that the scout carries in his bag for utility, or even taking control over it while waiting to respawn...
Those assault rifle class suggestions at the end are gonna give me an aneurysm. lol.
I've had this class idea in my mind recently.
The Recon
Primary: Suppressed Shotgun
Secondary: Dart Launcher (single shot instant kill headshot)
Melee: Hatchet
Ability: Grappling Hook (Can be used to get to high places, swing around corners, or pull enemies to you)
oh no another instakill headshot class
sound kinda fun with the grappling hook
I swear there used to be an official or a very convincing fake 10th class called the aviator I saw back in the 2000s. He basically was dressed like a 1920s pilot with 2 plane propellers coming out from his back sideways and he could supposedly triple jump and had like a bucket of water being meant to be arrival to the Pyro.
I swear I saw artwork of this guy somewhere but I can't find it anymore it was how I knew what he looked like
I've never heard of this but it sounds really interesting
Fun Fact: In the fan animation “Emesis Blue”, we actually get alluded to a 10th mercenary from a call from a General who has them all lined up and ready to go, but one of them commits suicide, leaving the 9 we have today.
Emesis Blue is a fan animation made after 2016. so it's not canon.
you have no reason to bring this up.
@@Lou-yf1jo ?? I’m just saying that it acknowledges a 10th class and a cool tie in. Why do I have “no reason to bring it up”? I just said something I find cool. Chill
@@Lou-yf1jo in this video about fan-made concepts for 10th classes someone comments about a fanmade reference to a 10th class and you act like it's insane, ar eyou one of those insufferable pricks that do everything they can to be a stickler for no reason
chill
I was thinking the deathmatch mercenary would be a cool addition as the 10th class. I think he would be unique due to his unique ability to being able to pick up any dropped weapons.
10:37 Since I spend a lot of time on the Wiki making my daily TF2 quizzes, I have noticed that even some extremely old items and cosmetics have people attributed within their respected item pages. At first I thought it just pinpoints which Valve artist worked on the item, but now I took another few looks and it is indeed a lot of surprising community contributed items! It is kind of crazy and amazing to know the community started supporting the game even pre-polycount updated!
Wow that is incredible! Is love to know the stories of how each of those got into the game!
@@OrisTV Likewise, maybe there is some documentation within forums to find old stories. Or even to try and contact these people!
thats a great idea! @@happyraintf 👀
@@OrisTV Official Oris x Happyrain collab…?
@@happyraintf this would be cool!!! Shoot me a dm!
When in doubt, I look to cut content and see what among the unworkable items synergizes with each other best.
And honestly following that route, a tenth class would likely be a jack of all trades class. Something ironically not too far off from what the Guard Dog was described as.
wether you like it or not, if the Guard Dog was added it would definitely be a class
the chamber transition was smooth, man. good video!
this class would be so goddamn fun to play
If it was added we would see those fanart
It would be unfun to play against because no one wants to shoot a doggo.
@@vintagememelord8168 you’re goddamn right
@@vintagememelord8168 imagine if a class you are playing as saying smth like "sorry doggo" after killing a guard dog
While I do think it is for the best if we keep the current classes, the guard dog, if refined a bit more, would be by far the most viable 10th class.
i play jailbreak a lot on tf2 so imagining a guard dog chasing you would be so terrifying
Honestly, I still can not beliece they deleted Madcap, the game really went downhill after that. Imagine how OP he could be in MVM. Just imagine, he could have used his melee to reflect Sentry Busters into waves of enemies, making them immediately explode
Airblast
A cool idea for a class would be…. THE PILOT. He’s a Canadian pilot who has a plane for a secondary that extends from him. The plane fires missles and machine guns
The guard dog would’ve been awesome
so glad someones bringing up GD again. Ever since i learned abt the funky lil pooch its been my no. 1 favourite potential 10th class and, although he'd have never been fully viable and wholly broken (and i dont wanna see the lil fella die), id still love to see a mod or community server that implements him.
I imagine that class asking for a doctor or accompanying the mercenaries in the conga, it would be very fun and cute XD
I heard about how there were supposed to be 2 new characters before valve called the Observer and the Technician
Don’t forget the Guard Dog Class
I think the guard dog could be a good concept for a weapon for engineer like with the gunslinger it replaces your sentry with a robot dog that you can move using the constructor so if you need to move your sentry/dog you can point where to needs to go and the sentry will run there.
I am mildly annoyed how, with all these 10th class ideas, The Commander is never mentioned.
I would change the dogs sniffing ability to seeing a trail the enemy took, which becomes more faint the longer it is ago that they where there or something, which also disapears once you killed the target
As for 10th class, I do like the idea of another support character and after playing in bot lobbies and casual games for a bit I'm thinking a class that can build like walls and things would be neat
Like a breakable shield for others to use as cover
If this class worked with snipers to better secure their sniper spots
Or engineers to give their dispenser or teleporters a little more protection
Or just at the control point when their team is pushing to give them a safety spot to better hold ground
But just walls wouldn't be enough so maybe building small steps could also be something, to help classes jump up onto a bit of a high place that'd normally be harder to get up to (Up to a certain height)
And of course there'd have to be a limit to how many things they can have built at a time
(I think there'd have to be something else he can build to really settle him but I can't think of anything right now)
It'd probly work similiarly to engi where you have to upgrade the walls and the more upgraded the sturdier/harder to destroy it'd be
And their melee weapon could be a hammer instead of a wrench
And maybe a rapid fire nail gun as their secondary, possibly one of those staplers that can shoot as an alternative, so kinda similiar to Medic's stock gun or sniper's smg (An inbetween of the two?) how it works
Main gun I'm a little unsure of, it looks like there's a want for assault rifles by others but I'm just not sure how well they'd fit into TF2, plus then there'd be no point of his secondary being what it is either. After some thinking, maybe some sort of stun gun or other type of electrical weapon which could have an effect on wet players.
It might be a little too similar to the engineer being a construction guy, however engi is more robotics instead of actual construction, and I think there's a way to make this guy's aesthetic much different than Engi if you think of him instead of just a regular construction guy, more of someone who does his own home stuff, without a helmet
think about it though, what if there was a class that can do some of the things the other 9 can do, or 4-5 at least, where their could give health, ammo, get in, do recon, get out then setup for a push, to be a jack of all traits and a master of none.
they would have to be weak though, maybe having 150 health and as fast as a medic but only having very weak weapons.
We already have Pyro
@@dumbvillage9253 he's not a jack of all traits, he is a menice to all soldiers and demos
Holy nostalgia, i remember the excited chatter about the guard dog. Good times.
Is there a mod for a classic reskin of tf2? Something that makes the textures and/or models look more like the gritty military style shown around 2000ish?
there is only 2 styles. the tf2 style, and the one that happened around 2017 making things look bad now.
I don't think another class is needed, but if there was another one, some sort of coordination focused class could be cool. Like they could maybe place cameras (up to three of them) in places. Maybe they can also be jammed by sappers? Something supportive that demands communication.
In terms of a primary, something closer to a secondary weapon in strength would make sense. Maybe something similar to the SMG?
Their secondary would probably be the main meat of their kit, where they can check in on placed cameras or maybe even unlockable traps like spikes.
If you want to lean into the theme, a wirecutter melee that has its primary role in removing sappers (similar to the Engineer's wrench).
They could also have a weapon in the dedicated PDA/Disguise Kit slot where they can place these traps, cameras, etc.
The only problem comes from the whole "F2Ps can't use voice or text chat" thing, which would make the class useless to anyone who hasn't spent money on the game. Maybe have certain voicelines be usable regardless (spy around here, sentry ahead, etc). Something similar to the Engineer that is less attached to buildings and their function and more focused on coordinating with their team from a distance, while having some ability to fight.
In terms of a name and as an actual character, "Trapper" could be a pretty good one. The class itself might also end up being too similar to the Engineer, though.
I would imagine they'd be, as a character, almost similar to Sniper in professionalism though more communicative.
Not just that, f2p's cant use voice commands either
@SporianSummit Yes I know that. That's why I said they could maybe have certain voicelines be usable regardless of being F2P or not
Wonder how would guard dog do partner taunts
Maybe it'd be cool if there was a separate game mode that included the guard dog, that way others who don't like its inclusion/such a big change as an extra class don't have to deal with it/can choose to play how the game has been
Man I wonder how Guard Dog's ability and stuff attacks look like, like I am so curious to see that new character of TF2
why haxton sale do not kill the blue team? cannot change team as blue and haxton hale cannot be on red team
Great video!
I think if someone were to implement the guard dog through v-Script. I would do what someone else said, and that would be to make it a robot dog.
For the base class, the dog , would have to be a modified scout . Slowed slightly, so the dog is faster than medic, but not as fast as scout. I might also raise the health maybe a bit? Maybe 130 or 150.
Double jump would have to be removed somehow.
For the primary. I think it would have to be a heavily modified Tomislav. (It's the only rapid fire primary I could think of)
For the Secondary, might be a unique combination of mechanics, like the sandvich medkit recharge, and a gun with no ammo. The idea is to keep track of what item you just picked up, then spawn a new one when you drop it. But for an actual weapon however.. It might be over the top of something like the crit-a-cola.
For the melee, swapping to it would equip one of Demoman's shields, like the splendid screen. Then have the melee be something like the Tribalman's Shiv. But with less of a damage reduction, I think attacking would also make the dog lunge at the target too.
As for some of the unique abilities.
I suppose the tracking one could be done by taunting by an enemies ragdoll, then give a highlight to the enemy player. Maybe a melee taunt replacement?
Then for the Jarate one, I think that might be self explanatory. Maybe... replace the fist bump? Then allow it to only be initiated by the dog, then the sniper be the only one who can do it. After the taunt finishes, the sniper would have his Jarate instantly recharged.
The good boy
Question, how do u play the game mode with saxton hale bec I want to play it hit I can’t since I can’t find it
I think it is in misc in the maps!
@@OrisTV ok thanks I will look there
The dog class seems like a cool idea. Before I learned about the existence of Merasmus, I thought having a designated Wizard class would have been neat. Each equippable item is just a different kind of spell, allowing to mix up offense and defense as a specialist class (generally lower health pool too, like around spy health). I also hoped that if they add a new class, they should make that class an "unused" nationality to mix in with the identities of the mercenaries; I thought Italian might be pretty cool, or maybe some sort of Asian ethnicity (Laotian, Korean, etc)
I e never played tf2 before so correct me if this sounds a bit odd.
The wallhack ability while even though it’s just for a general direction would just feel off to some players imo. You’re not supposed to be 100% dps from what it sounds like, and there are still other enemies you have to deal with. Instead I would think a separate ability would be increased sound on footsteps, and you could hear them from further. It should also be able to “sense” when another guard dog is nearby.
I love the idea of guard dog no matter what though. Imagine seeing this in expectation date, eating bread and parasites growing in an environment of pure wheat!
Balancing it would be nice but the only thing I know that will help with the guard dog which should have been added was that the guard dog would have low hp, there is a cooldown for The hater and the gun on the guard dog’s bag should have a reload or a cooldown.
I have one question. Why did you skip over the Madcap?
Is that a possible video? Or, are you just putting that there so that we go on a wild goose chase?
2:15 Quake… the origins that lead to the forge’n of the fortress.
Guard dog picking up a mega health pack to give to a low hp medic when a 124 health scout comes up and steals it
The guard dog would be the best option for a 10th class and just imagining class wars with this man is so funny
whats the song at 5:50 called?
6:40
Ah, the soundtrack from "Alien Trilogy", the Playstation game from 1996
The issue with the Guard Dog is it's wide range of abilities and it's small size (meaning small hitbox) also it's a hybrid of all classes which would make it too overpowered. The Hanger is basically just the Heavy, The Helper is a portable dispenser and The Hater is just Spy and Sniper. And don't get me started with the Sniff ability being able to track down spies infintely will be very annoying and too broken
the madcap!!!!!
Madcap is just scout with an epik cosmetik
What i think is that in meet the sniper, he said "boom, headshot." Whit a class that looks suspicioly like the 10nt class, and that means sniper killed him, in the halloween update, its a grave that sayis "RIP the 10nt class"
Me and my friends would make up TF2 characters that would never came up in game, but one friend made this one up it came to life…
There is a fan made class called "the deathmatch mercenary"He has a meet the class video
If added would not be suprised if they made it in the game, that in the comic that it was either a robot made by the engineer to look like a dog but be very intelligent or it was a normal dog at first till medic put the mind of one of his previous experiments victims inside it giving the dog human intelligence and the mind of the original person.
i love the guard dog so much
honestly I wish the guard dog actually shipped, would have been such an awesome addition
Some people think it was released in 2007, which it was, but the orange box was released in 2009. In which what he showed at the start.
the true 10th class is random
ok but seriously, i dont think we were meant to get a 10th class, mainly because of how the classes are set up
three categories
three classes per category
you would need to either add a new category, or askew the organization
remember Tf2 classic? there one special category specifically for civilian
@@jecksfoxofficialthis was for hunted, which was also removed
How would spy disguise work then with the Guard Dog?
Or would he not be able to disguise as a dog?
(if the latter, this would undermine the Your Eternal Reward)
Surprising that the guard dog never made it into other fan projects
It's me or the ct_convoy was revealed in the 2023 leak? If i remember right it was like 50% done (becouse of reutalized textures).
The one who was not respawn capable
Civilian: added in quake team fortress,forgotten,removed, added back with new model, and go buy some milk
I love the dig as a class.
1:11
the civillian is added to team fortress 2.
just not the one you know of today, there is another tf2 called "team fortress 2 classic".
its the same concept, except some of the classes have different weapons, like the scout has the sniper's secondary.
Valve did little bit of trolling
Wait wot
I‘m in this video 😂
Cheers m8 well done on the research and editing
Haha i wondered if you would see it, thank you!
Idea soldier can have a smoke grand to call on air support
the guard dogs weaknesses are ubercharged heavys, bonked scouts, and trolldiers
My head canon 10th class is the Mercenary from Open Fortress.
i think they should maybe redesign it if it gets add to like something engineer built out of scrap
i miss madcap, why did they remove him
I completely forgot about madcap, so glad I was reminded by this video honestly
To be honest, I think having the guard dog is an amazing idea for a new class. The only thing I see wrong with it is it seems more like a thing another class can summon, like the solider. Also, if you did have it as a playable character, it would be hard to play as considering how weak it could be.
Honestly I really feel like TF2's current cast is way too balanced in the roles they play. Like, they cover so much ground on their own that I can't imagine a new broad archetype being introduced without it throwing off the game's balance in a major way.
In my opinion, if they were to add new classes I think it'd be cool if they approached them like alt versions of the base 9. Classes that share the same general idea as their counterpart, but go about it in a different way. One idea I had was the Spy having a counterpart called the Infiltrator. They'd share that idea of stealth. They'd be able to cloak themself and they'd have an emphasis on staying undetected or getting completely screwed. But instead of sentry saps or using disguises, they could instead focus on things like limiting enemy resources and tagging the locations of enemies, sentries, and sticky traps so that their team can better prepare for encounters. I think ideas like that would work way better than trying to fit in an entirely new concept.
I feel like any new character added to tf2 would be great, especially the guard dog. And it would be cool if the guard dog could sniff out a spy. And what if instead of a guard dog it would be a bionic seal.
only thing i don't particularly like is its offensive capabilities.. it feels either too bothersome (in the turrets) or too annoying (the rockets)
i could see this being reworked to be in the style of the guard-dog, which is a scavenger. they start with no weapons but their bite. perhaps when they sniff a weapon, they also have a option to equip that weapon, melees in maw, and smaller weapons like pistols, smgs, and revolvers on the machine. course no bigger weapons else the dog would be.. broken
maybe as well for its weapon slot it could have an unlockable which negates the ability to equip weapons, let alone attack (unless melee based) for the bonus of having a portible dispencer.. hell that'd revitalize the mini dispencer
and instead of a slot dedicated to rockets.. why not the snout? for instance he could attempt to sniff out a spy, eminating an scent like aura around the spy, but something like the gas passer would poison the dog (it'd make that pyro item alone infinitely more helpful) or an unlockable that applies a gas mask, however the ability to track an enemy is hindered drastically if not just non existant
It's funny how you've mentioned that Valve was talking about adding Sub-classes, but most of the weapons that TF2 has, just doesn't do that sub-class theme.
I know that crying about it is useless nowadays, cos Valve doesn't care, but tbh, sone classes doesn't even have a Sub-class weapons.
What i can call a Sub-class weapons is that would change the way you play, but you'll still be in your Class it's role.
Which classes Do have a sub-class weapon:
Soldier -> Market Gardener(it fits Soldier's theme where you can be a roamer, go in, get a gardener, get out)
Pyro -> Phlogisinator(despite being bad, that changes the way Pyro plays, because since he can't just go in, he'll have to flank the enemy more often. Same thing can be said about Back Burner)
Demoman -> Demoknight(it's actually making him an entire new class, which is not about holding chokes but about making careful picks to get buffs)
Engineer & Sniper -> The Gunslinger & The Huntsman(I put both of them in the same spot, cos these weapons are meant to make these classes be more aggressive considering their gameplay)
That's all. All the sub classes that Community have imagined to itself is a myth. I mean, yes you can go full Brawler Heavy with Buffalo Steak and Boxing Gloves, but it's not a sub-class, since it's not as viable and consistent at its role.
Other classes just doesn't has it, but has that fake sense of being a sub-class. For example, Medic. He has very different Mediguns, right? Yes, but they're not changing the way in his gameplay to be a Sub-class, since you're doing same things. But, if there was something that makes him more Offensive, like a viable Battle Medic or maybe give him OTHER way to help his team, that would work.
I'm really sad that Spy doesn't have a Sub-class. Dead Ringer is just a ticket for a second chance, nothing more interesting, cos it's not used as devs has intended it to be used.
I thought the 10th class that went through the torture of the respawn machine trials from emesis blue
As someone who started playing TF2 in 2010, I remember when this doggo meme was all shiny and new.
I would not have 60 hours spread through out sniper spy and pyro if the guard dog was a think I think it sounds awesome
Here’s a thought. What if the idea of a tenth class became the Demoknight sub class? Full Demoknight feels like an entirely different class to Demoman. You go from a Midrange projectile based all rounder class to a more mobile, more tanky melee based class.
Ooh that’s right! Dogs! The reused devil Rottweilers from Quake!
I CANNOT believe that is true but on how clean the game designs are i cant argue differently
Convoy (music said Convoy Fight)
i thoutght,,, it would be a commander...