Linux IS NOT for Everybody!

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
  • Today we talk about how Linux users need to "roll up their sleeves" and do the work when you have technical issues with your Linux system. There is no Geek Squad or Genius Bar for Linux users.

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  •  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I think it's for EVERYBODY, but not for EVERYTHING.

    • @20NewJourney23
      @20NewJourney23 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wrong. It is for every thing. It's the best.

    • @evacody1249
      @evacody1249 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it's not for everybody or everything.

  • @machinech183
    @machinech183 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Having worked with people at multiple Apple stores I can attest they are a lot of things but genius has never been one of them.

  • @STONE69_
    @STONE69_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Make sure you set up Timeshift or snapshots in Linux. Its similar to System restore points in Windows. This can help solve the hard to fix problems.

    • @DavidCoutinhoCG
      @DavidCoutinhoCG 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah, i do agree with rolling release distros timeshift is a must, any shit that breaks in your system, just restore to a previous date and voila, if your system broke, no problem at all. But i am a LTS distro user, i prefer that way.

  • @thejackimonster9689
    @thejackimonster9689 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    One of the most stupid things people on Linux did was inventing a "looks easy to use" GUI to mess with your bootloader. A naive user will come around and shoot themselves in the foot with this - 100% of the time. Because the people who know, know that you will read the Archwiki instead or similar detailed guides and use the terminal to fix your bootloader. Because even if you end up in an UEFI shell or a TTY, you can still continue. Such maintenance GUIs make zero sense at all (coming from a developer who implements GUI applications).

  • @unforgivn81
    @unforgivn81 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I use Linux/FreeBSD exclusively for the services I host in my home network. In fact, I tend to get annoyed when a particular app server only has a Windows version.
    But would I daily drive Linux as my personal OS? Hell no! I'm not a masochist.

  • @Practical-IT
    @Practical-IT 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hey Jeremy... Great chronicling of your issues. I do have a difference of opinion on a few things...
    For "NON-TECHNICAL" Mac users, they will go to the Apple store. If you've got ANY experience and comfort with a Mac, there is an "early boot option" that will let you repair and/or reload your OS. Well documented online.
    For "Non-Tech" Windows users, I agree with your point about BB or a friend/relative that can restore the machine. Again, if you're a more advanced Windows user, you will have a backup process in place, perhaps even utilizing a "Full Image" backup to allow you to restore your system easily.
    For "Non-Tech" Linux users....well... You can do a LOT of things by booting to a Live environment to backup files and reload. A good backup procedure is also essential. You can do image backups with Clonezilla or Rescuezilla and be able to restore a system VERY quickly.
    As far as your thesis of "Linux is not for Everybody," I disagree. DESKTOP Linux is NOT for Everybody. This is why I advocate a LOT for people to get started with Linux using "Linux Appliances" such as those from TurnKey Linux, or things like Daphile or Volumio. These are sort of "set-and-forget" uses where you generally access them through a web browser, lowering the bar of entry to a point where even my 78 year old father could use some of these options.
    Maybe my view is skewed because I've been using Linux for >25 years.
    Jeremy from the Practical-IT Channel

    • @bitterseeds
      @bitterseeds 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This.

  • @CCJ1998
    @CCJ1998 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What's funny, I remember people saying the same things about Windows in the late 90s when the internet was starting to catch on. Linux can be a pain to set up but once you get it working no need to sweat when the updates roll.

  • @AyaWetts
    @AyaWetts 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are very few things that are for everyone... maybe like air to breath? Linux isn't for everyone... neither is Windows, or Mac, or Android and anything else.
    How do you fix it? Google, ChatGPT, etc... its not reading a manual, its asking a specific question and getting a specific answer. For people who think they have to take it to some store... lol... its 2024.
    There's also some knowledgeable people on several discord groups about Linux or specific distros

  • @linuxforpunks
    @linuxforpunks 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There's a strain emerging though: our pcs have ridiculously-many, ridiculously-complicated technologies on them, and they come to us with a mountain of previous (and more-brilliant, and better-educated) programmers' workarounds and compromises. Or in some cases that's too charitable: people have also empire-built and ensured everyone has (say for example...) a logging daemon... which only they and a select few others can comprehend. Linux's philosophy being correct doesn't give us magical powers: the burden of DIYing it might become unsustainable. I should say: Windows and Mac have the same problem plus a commercial correlate of it which could be more catastrophic (e.g. if they'd be better-off financially if their technology started regressing)

  • @ReaperX7
    @ReaperX7 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think honestly, the problem isn't GNU/Linux isn't for everyone. I think the problem is everyone assumes and thinks Windows is for everyone.
    Windows comes with almost every PC ypu can buy minus System76.
    But let's say you take a brand new PC, drop Ubuntu onto that PC, and give it your kid as their first computer and you teach them how to use it. The expectation of Windows is dead. The assumption is dead. The need is dead. So now, guess what? That kid will grow up, using GNU/Linux, learning GNU/Linux systems, as well as FOSS software, and they'll look at Windows like it's this alien thing.

  • @famousmwofficial8046
    @famousmwofficial8046 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If its Linux and not made by Google it isn't for anybody. But I was reading about chimera Linux, I think it could be the future because the developers claim to be dissapointed in Linux distros and their endless seting up and customization that leads to ultimately nowhere. So they dropped the gnu and stuck with the Linux. I hope they succeed or maybe collaborate with canonical to give us something very very functional

    • @bitterseeds
      @bitterseeds 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Only Richard Stallman cares about it being called GNU/Linux. GNU were always the tools and are still there and Linux is the kernel. I can't take someone seriously who chews their toenails in public. ;)
      Also, BTW ... Canonical produces Ubuntu which is based on Debian. Linux Mint is just a fork of Ubuntu. They are quite functional. The problem is that folks who encounter a problem on Windows, fix it or have it fixed. Mac users are the same. They are comfortable with the devil they know .. both look at Linux as something difficult. It isn't much more difficult than Windows or MacOS. I have Windows machines, 3 Macs and 2 Linux machines ... all give various problems at one time or another.

    • @famousmwofficial8046
      @famousmwofficial8046 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bitterseeds I'm not a fan of RMS but he has a point nothing is functional without gnu but you don't give it the credit it deserves and the problem also arises when now you have to exclude distros that don't use gnu. And I know of Ubuntu and mint and I know mint as actually an ugly broke man's windows that doesn't make the platform have an image of its own. Ubuntu is a much better platform but it still falls victim to the endless customization loop of gnu

    • @bitterseeds
      @bitterseeds 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@famousmwofficial8046 OK. I'm not sure where GNU utilities like cat, ls, and rm fall into customization. But OK. I guess others will understand what your talking about but I don't. Cheers. Have a good one.

    • @STONE69_
      @STONE69_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There are Distros that are immutable, all you have to do is restart, fixes 99.9% of the problems lmao

    • @famousmwofficial8046
      @famousmwofficial8046 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@STONE69_ why doesn't it appeal to people then?

  • @bhargavjitbhuyan9394
    @bhargavjitbhuyan9394 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Trust me, just dualboot linux with like 50gb of space and a month later, you would want to get rid of windows unless you have some work or just want to play safe by using it for longer.

    • @ultima00005
      @ultima00005 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m also a dual boot advocate. I primarily use Linux but I like to play Magic online on windows.

  • @slim_2280
    @slim_2280 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No Linux is not for everyone, simply because Windows users are used to everything there already for them. Linux will always be a hobbyist system. Yes you can use it to create stuff, watch TH-cam, Emails, online shopping, a bit of gaming etc. It is down to the user to maintain it though and it is that principal that new users don't understand.
    It's not Linux that's at fault, it is always User error.
    I use Mint Xfce 21.3 and since moving to Linux as my daily drive, fourteen years ago. I can honestly say never had any major problems. I still use Windows for gaming, but have built a dedicated gaming machine for Windows. I'm using the same hardware in my Linux build too. I've used Ubuntu, Arch, Ubuntu based Distros in my time. The best Linux I ever used was Peppermint OS 7 through to Peppermint OS 10, when Mark Greaves was at the helm.
    Whatever you asked it to do it never griped, just kept saying yes. These days I am settled in Linux Mint 21.3 Xfce and here with Mint I will stay. I also do not use Linux as the Developers of the Distros want you to, making Linux your own is what it is all about, no longer tied down to Corporate systems, telling you to use this, spying or collecting data from you. Linux could be everyone, if people took the time to actually study it, before they commit to it.

  • @oilbanedata394
    @oilbanedata394 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it just an OS if you can use it, it's for you

  • @sto3359
    @sto3359 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Use a Mac. Joke! But on a serious note baptism of fire on Linux are frustrating but are rewarding. I tend to use Timeshift for system recovery, it’s not perfect but it’s never failed me yet.

    • @STONE69_
      @STONE69_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly, but some people don't bother setting that up LOL

  • @eriklethdanielsen3968
    @eriklethdanielsen3968 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Debian KDE can do the same as windows 7 and just keeping getting better, i have run it sinse 2019 rock stable. if i run mac or windows i would be terrified of losing my date.

    • @MaruAdventurer
      @MaruAdventurer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good distro though I prefer LM XFCE myself.

  • @dragonballjiujitsu
    @dragonballjiujitsu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly, I've used Linux since 2004, MacOS since 2008 and Windows from windows 95 through windows 10. With the Macs and Windows systems I sometimes went for years without having a non-booting system and rarely did backups. I wouldn't even think about running Linux without at least 3-4 different backup systems in place. Lesson learned dozens of times.

  • @mavfan1
    @mavfan1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Or, Linus is NOT READY for mass adoption.

    • @crustycrustacean1980
      @crustycrustacean1980 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You're misspelling of Linux as Linus is very funny 😁 😅

    • @clumsydrawer
      @clumsydrawer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      LinusAdoptionTips

    • @kztuptuo7076
      @kztuptuo7076 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Never cared about a masses

    • @bitterseeds
      @bitterseeds 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kztuptuo7076 If that were true, we'd still be using FVWM. The problem is the masses comfort zone and the fact that your average pleb really only wants to know enough to get whatever it is they need done. They don't want to learn new things .. at least not new computer related things. And that's OK.

  • @gerriebossert8933
    @gerriebossert8933 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is the innitial setup that is the problem. Linux is not for someone with the mentality of not trying to fix a problem on there own.

  • @spoogemop
    @spoogemop 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's not for anybody. I was a professional system programmer for 20+ years. I've attempted to use various distros and never managed to get any of them to do anything useful.
    This one doesn't recognise my network card. This one treats my SOTA graphics card as a VGA pass-thru. This one can't read my drives. This one *can*, but insists that I mount them first. It seems to think it's 1974 and I'm sitting in a dingy basement at some university trying to get my massive 20K hard drives to engage.
    If you're a hobbyist, or a tinkerer, or just don't need to be able to actually use the computer, then fine, go for it.
    Enjoy being ridiculed as a n00b when asking for help on any Linux forum. Enjoy being told to 'just write your own driver!', or told "Oh, that doesn't happen when you manually recompile the kernel and (insert endless bullshit here)."
    It doesn't work. It never has. It never will.
    How many variants are out there now, all of which do their own thing?
    Last time I tried to install an actual distro, I gave up after about an hour, flushed the HD and fed it a Windows CD. 10 minutes later I'm sitting at a usable desktop at 4K with all my hardware instantly recognised.
    Linux isn't a consumer-viable OS. It's now as ungainly and bloated as Windows, except it doesn't work as well. IIts sole purpose seems to be to give neckbeards some form of bragging rights that they managed to get an OS up and running, which anybody with a Windows CD can do in a couple of clicks.

    • @STONE69_
      @STONE69_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You are probably not a good programmer if you can't make Linux work. I have a 10 year old that can do it all.

    • @spoogemop
      @spoogemop 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@STONE69_ No, you don't.
      Tell you what, ask him to set the resolution to 1920x1080 on Ubuntu. Here's the steps, in case he can't.
      Open a Terminal by CTRL+ALT+T
      Type xrandr and ENTER
      Note the display name usually VGA-1 or HDMI-1 or DP-1
      Type cvt 1920 1080 (to get the --newmode args for the next step) and ENTER
      Type sudo xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_60.00" 173.00 1920 2048 2248 2576 1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync and ENTER
      Type sudo xrandr --addmode VGA-1 "1920x1080_60.00" and ENTER (replace VGA-1 with your display type (step 3) like HDMI-1 or DP-1)
      Close the terminal and go to Settings >> Display settings and change it to 1920x1080
      Your 10 year old would 'just know' how to do all that? Don't fucking lie, just because you're a zealot.

    • @spoogemop
      @spoogemop 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@STONE69_ No, you don't.
      Tell you what, ask him to change desktop resolution on Ubuntu to 1920x1080.
      Here's the steps, in case he needs them.
      Open a Terminal by CTRL+ALT+T
      Type xrandr and ENTER
      Note the display name usually VGA-1 or HDMI-1 or DP-1
      Type cvt 1920 1080 (to get the --newmode args for the next step) and ENTER
      Type sudo xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_60.00" 173.00 1920 2048 2248 2576 1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync and ENTER
      Type sudo xrandr --addmode VGA-1 "1920x1080_60.00" and ENTER (replace VGA-1 with your display type (step 3) like HDMI-1 or DP-1)
      Now close the terminal and go to Settings >> Display settings and change it to 1920x1080
      So you're telling me that your 10-year old could do that? Don't fucking lie, just because you're a zealot.

    • @spoogemop
      @spoogemop 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@STONE69_ No, you don't.
      Tell you what, ask him to change desktop resolution on Ubuntu to 1920x1080.
      Here's the steps, in case he needs them.
      Open a Terminal by CTRL+ALT+T
      Type xrandr and ENTER
      Note the display name usually VGA-1 or HDMI-1 or DP-1
      Type cvt 1920 1080 (to get the --newmode args for the next step) and ENTER
      Type sudo xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_60.00" 173.00 1920 2048 2248 2576 1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync and ENTER
      Type sudo xrandr --addmode VGA-1 "1920x1080_60.00" and ENTER (replace VGA-1 with your display type (step 3) like HDMI-1 or DP-1)
      Now close the terminal and go to Settings >> Display settings and change it to 1920x1080
      So you're telling me that your 10-year old could do that? Don't lie, just because you're a zealot.

  • @Maxume
    @Maxume 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 27 seconds, starting at 6:28 , is the plot twist of every great nerd story ever. It's like the nerd equivalent to, "my friend, Tim, who had had a little too much to drink, thought it would be a great idea..." 🤣

  • @yasunakaikumi
    @yasunakaikumi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Let's face it, if you're a person who barely use your PC at all and spending so much time using your Phone or Tablet, just don't do it.
    Although your example with Windows users is like those are 1% of it, most I see are just as usual as everyone asking the web like Linux users lol...
    and if you say there's support for Windows OS, I'll just laugh on it because Win11 pretty much showing that they dont even listen to their customers, same with Apple these days.

  • @spoogemop
    @spoogemop 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    @STONE6969 - re: comment about having a 10-year-old who can get Linux up and running.
    No, you don't.
    Tell you what, ask him to change desktop resolution on Ubuntu to 1920x1080.
    Here's the steps, in case he needs them.
    Open a Terminal by CTRL+ALT+T
    Type xrandr and ENTER
    Note the display name usually VGA-1 or HDMI-1 or DP-1
    Type cvt 1920 1080 (to get the --newmode args for the next step) and ENTER
    Type sudo xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_60.00" 173.00 1920 2048 2248 2576 1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync and ENTER
    Type sudo xrandr --addmode VGA-1 "1920x1080_60.00" and ENTER (replace VGA-1 with your display type (step 3) like HDMI-1 or DP-1)
    Now close the terminal and go to Settings >> Display settings and change it to 1920x1080
    So you're telling me that your 10-year old could do that? Don't fucking lie, just because you're a zealot.

    • @roklaca3138
      @roklaca3138 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And this terminal shitfckery is why im still on windows.

  • @Ormgryd
    @Ormgryd 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:58 stop messing up your system easy.

  • @TheVisitorSNAFU
    @TheVisitorSNAFU 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Windows 11 always breaks

  • @confushiarch3421
    @confushiarch3421 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    also the genius bar is not a genius bar or they would not be using mac :p

  • @linuxhub70
    @linuxhub70 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Linux is 100% for everybody. All options are freely available on linux and this is where we break stuff. Unlike other operating systems that hide all options. Therefore we tend to break them just to learn how to use them. It is the "Blessing" and the "Curse" all wrapped in a single package :)

  • @biomechanique6874
    @biomechanique6874 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude, you are the source of all your problems.

  • @bitterseeds
    @bitterseeds 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aww. How cute. Windows and Mac users pay in cash and you paid in your time. And it's not exciting to flark your system up and have to fix it. But honestly Linux is 1000x easier today than in 1995 when I did my first install. Also, tools and a UI installer don't make a different OS. I'm using EndeavorOS and it's Arch. I don't need a 2001 install process to qualify as an Arch user.
    Glad you got your system sorted. As I tell folks, once you have a running system ... let it settle. Don't flark with it. Use it. And you went straight for the boot loader. :D If you see weird stuff, research the fix before just clicking on things. It's not hard to fix issues except when you don't know what your doing ... that's frustrating. Hope you're in a better place.

    • @bitterseeds
      @bitterseeds 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also, setup Timeshift. It will save your ass. Nothing like doing a timeshift back to a working state to unpucker yourself. ;)

  • @confushiarch3421
    @confushiarch3421 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Linux probably isn't for everyone... there is also BSD X)