Well yeah the ONE TIME they change anything which was Salvation...which not only had the balls to not do the same chase movie formula, but also had the balls to go "Hey, we're gonna do the future before the future seen in the movies so no neon lasers at night"....it didn't do well. They've been scared ever since.
oohhhHHH DAMN!!! No he just did not even actually really say that!!! For real though, well said. One sentence is all my man dash4800 needs to sum up the state of the franchise. I was gonna leave a long-winded comment about all this but why do that when this is already here? TH-cam Comment Of The Year.
@@Radb707 Yeah I agree with you, it’s kinda unfortunate that they’ve been shafted this hard for trying something new and they should’ve stuck with it, however even in Salvation they can’t stop themselves from going off the deep end with some bullshit plot twist conspiracy like all the other failed sequels plus some cheap arnold nostalgia. But apart from that, especially the first half was actually pretty fine and easily the best Terminator content after T2. It’s kinda like the Star Wars sequels, where the producers were scared so much by the failure of the prequels that they completely lost any balls to do take the series into a new direction.
It’s not even the “best movie since T2” since Salvation still holds that title...Salvation’s not perfect but at least it tries to do something different
Salvation is the movie all fans wanted to see: one that shows the war, and what led to John becoming leader, and Skynet sending the T-800 back. Problem is the producers set this as a new trilogy so we only started out with John before he became the leader. Another problem is that it's not set in the original timeline, before Reese was sent back (and now that I think about it, how was John born originally since Reese was his father? Did John have another father originally, is it that weird time paradox where the timeline fixes itself, so Reese becomes John's father instead? It's confusing when you think about it) Salvation is technically set after T3, it has to be, how else would John know Kyle Reese is his dad?
I would have actually liked to have seen the planned Salvation trilogy that was supposed to happen. I actually like Salvation. It's certainly better than anything that followed it. And at least it wasn't about "John and Sarah" again. It actually did break the terminator mold in a lot of ways. I never understood the hate it got. At least they didn't try to shoehorn in an 80 year old Arnie into the movie as the main character.
Absolutely! Salvation is a solid movie. It's the third best film. I didn't know a trilogy was planned.. but it would have been welcomed. The rubber faced T-600's that Kyle talked about in original Terminator was neat to see, as well as the other machines. I think it would've been a good trilogy. Especially if they kept it in the future & it's "own stand alone story" or maybe had a completely different time jump. Obviously I love all the different "Terminator eye candy" in the 3 other movies. But at the end of the day, they simply do not compare. They are borderline trash. Dark Fate was just bad/sloppy writing & I truly feel that James Cameron was sick of "other" Terminator films being released so he released some bunk "resovled ending" to Terminator. The problem is SOO much time was lost, nearly a decade. They could've done SO Much with the franchise before ruining it. Sad really.
Defo, the future war happening, that's what fans want. We did get it in videogame format in terminator resistance which is pretty good, and works as a sequel to salvation,
Because that was the movie of the obviously not so infamous outburst from cristian bale who was the lead and batman at the time. Batman was protected by itself but this movie had that and no Arnie as its marketing and was also another movie that tried to force that forgetful sam Worthington into a big movie star which he never was
@@kennywilkinson913 Plus "Anton Yelchin" (young 'Kyle Reese') ended up running himself over with his JEEP at his Hollywood home in 2016. They couldn't have logically replaced his character with a different actor.
It’s a little unfair to compare Dark Fate to Golimaar because I think most of us can agree that Golimaar is fucking hilarious. This movie however.....not so much.
Had such high hopes when I saw Cameron's involvement, plus the return of Linda Hamilton...I don't get it, its like all the good Hollywood writers have suddenly been...terminated.
The 2008 writers strike never ended. They ran out of backlogged material in 2012. Since then, everything we see has been written by AI that has been trained by watching hit movies and tv shows using machine learning. Thats why everything today seems like a rehash of older media - it is.
From what I read, Cameron is the one who killed off JC. But why do that just so you can have gender swapped JC? It makes no sense. And it sucks this is supposed to be the "true" sequel to T2. Oh. what fun.
I think it'd be great. This bloated John Connor trying to get clean while fighting Terminators but he's still got all that training from when he was a kid. So he starts off a neer do well, but when faced with a challenge, he rises to meet it, becoming a fat action hero. It'd be like Seth Rogen in Green Hornet but serious. The running joke would be characters going "Wait, you were supposed to be humanity's last hope? Seriously?" and everyone doubts him but in the end he taps into his inner asskicker.
How awesome it could have been, seeing John Connor as a real life Eddie Furlong. Doing low end jobs, because he never had a normal childhood, having come to terms that he no longer will be humanity's saviour, he's no longer the chosen one. To humanity he's now a nobody. Nobody knows how he and his mom saved the world. He's an unknown. And now has to man up, get himself in order, because he has to chaperone the new chosen one.
Terminator salvation was an ok sequel, mainly because it at least showed us more things after Skynet declared Judgement Day. That and how the T-800 was created
@Ryan Maliek I chose those two things because they were the one that caught my interests the most. The rest of the movie, yeah... even I can agree that Salvation is still a pretty retarded sequel.
I just wish they hadn’t retconned the future war in that movie from the cool, gritty, purple laser/Tech Com stuff we all saw from the glimpses in those previous movies.
@@McSuperfly101 In fairness, Salvation is set in the early years of the future war. I mean Kyle Reese is a teenager(at least to me he looks like a teenager) in that movie. Kyle Reese was at least in his 20's-30's at least in that future flashback in Terminator 1.
So true. Of all the sequels, is the only one were i found the references not as offensive as in the other films. I kinda like that the first fight with a T-800 was in a factory, being the "last one" in a factory too. i liked too the idea that was Skynet who give leadership over the human resistance to John, eliminating the original leaders. Ahhhh, there are a story there in that movie. A good one. From a Mad Max future that can easily evolve into the future we all know in a future movie, following the war against the machines. But the films was just so weak.......is a pity. Still, it is a movie to me very similar to Prometheus. A movie I enjoy, but not because the movie is good, but for what the movie could have been.
Yeah. I also like Cameron's original idea that the prime timeline is where Skynet won and it regretted killing humanity because it was only reacting in fear, so it created the time machine to make a future that would bring humanity into a golden age at the cost of itself. So it basically created John Connor.
@@GingerZombie29 Keeping in mind that before that whole rant she tried to murder the guy she was preaching to, with complete disregard to his family which could have easily been caught in the crossfire. Oh and she turned out to be a shitty mom as well.
To be fair, she said, "Men like you." That wasn't a line from feminism. Sarah believes the preservation of her son John, a male, is the key to saving the future. She was no feminist.
T3 was a honest movie, I don't get the hate. John and Kate were well developed characters, the plot about the rise of the machines was OK and the special effects were (mostly) satisfyingly practical, what's to hate about it?
@@Dukeflyhawker I consider the silly humor the innovation of the 3rd movie: by then the formula was risking to start to became stale and change of pace was more than welcomed. Also, to me the humor it's not overdone: towards the end, when things start to get serious the movie drops the humor completely.
@@GetUrOwnHandle the story is dog shit. grace is a total mary sue. it's actually ironically sexist, as obviously grace, as a simple female, wasn't good enough to protect dani. grace *had* to be enhanced in order to be "good enough". sarah conner's resume is drinking and hunting terminators??? where the fuck does the money for all this shit come from? dani, in stereotypical mexican form, just happens to have an uncle that can smuggle them across the border. super lame.
I really don't think Cameron felt that way, but he didn't "buy in" as much as we were told he did years ago when he "retook the reins of the franchise." That said though I agree with you that he either didn't fight hard enough for "his vision" or he didn't care at this point. He said long time ago that the considered Term 1-2 to be closed loops in his sense of time-travel, and heck he made the thing so... *shrugs, is tired* I love this franchise and would like to see it continue, but why can't we do like original Star Wars (pre-Disney, and Halo games for that matter) and explore the expanded universe and the stories untold, both the future and the past and all in between. It's a rich world, we shouldn't feel like the paupers of it. Especially since WE finance the damn thing. Maybe they'll get the message after this. Best wishes to you
@@gkroll8467 ? Since who made "chick" terminator? Cameron wasn't part of T3. It was an (admittedly silly) attempt to get boy-butts in the seats, as well as try to diversify the story. It was far less heavy-handed about it compared to Dark Fate, but it still rolled with a bit too much "Girl Power," but on the human side... John's future wife appeared but was a tough character, Just reread your post, I hope I'm not drunkenly assuming you didn't mean the idea that John made the Cameron model from SarahConnorChronicles?
Not to mention completely unbelievable as any type of leader. A five-foot nothing who can barely hold a short-barreled/ bullpup shotgun .... Give me a farging break.
"Tim Miller explains why Terminator: Dark Fate will "Scare the F&&&" out of Misogynists." Yes at the 140$ million loss due to people not seeing this movie, all the "Misogynists" sure were "scared" alright. People love to talk about Misogynists however they completely ignore Misandrists or people who discriminate against men.
right, Tim Miller ironically scared the mysoginists right out of the theater. Let's start a betting pool for how long hollywood can afford to continue this social justice crusade.
Indy midgets are garbage - Sorry man, but I still dont understand. I dont get it, but it seems that America is full of shitty people, nothing new about this statement.
Tell you what I find hilarious - Cameron gave Alien 3 a hard time for killing off Hicks and Newt after the audience had "built up an emotional connection" (I don't disagree), but then went and let them kill John Conner in the first 60 seconds of this movie. His idea? Dunno. But even if it wasn't, he should have stopped it in its tracks. You know how they should fix the Terminator franchise (and it's already flatlining)? They need to ditch the money, ditch the SFX, move away from Sarah and John Connor and take it back to being a low-budget, scary, gritty, violent horror movie.
Or just get us to the War Against the Machines. Hell, combine the two. Focus on the very first years after the nuclear war; where humanity and Skynet are rebuilding. Perhaps set it in a steel mill or rich in iron mine that Skynet wants for it’s war machines and the slowly building up Tech-CoM wants to either deny Skynet or use to build their own counters. Early infiltrator units and some truly creepy animalistic or outright alien machines could be used and stay focused on the small village or town built up around that facility.
You know you’re in trouble when the helicopter scenes in this new films suck compared to T2. Also, they’re idea of improving the movie is to put in Bigger crappier and crappier CGI. Two CGI airplanes colliding? Is this a terminator movie or Last Action Hero part 2? These people just don’t seem to get the core of the films. Here’s a clue, It’s not about bigger and bigger CGI. I really think they dumb these films Way Down because they’re trying to satisfy an international audience. Instead of original story, they settle for original cgi explosion.
The people that made the Rambo the movie the game made a better Terminator 'movie' with the future-war shown than any moviemakers had. Seriously, 'he's a man not a god!' people made Terminator Resistance and it's GREAT.
"We can never, ever get out of Terminator 2." Agreed. And even if we did it just wouldn't match up anyway since there is no way to raise the bar higher than T2 did. The story has been told. All we're getting now is nostalgia padding.
They could write a story where the terminator wins. Instead of this garbage, omg we're gonna die, omg that was 1 in a million coincidence, omg we're gonna die, omg that was a 1 in a million coincidence, bullshit story cycle.
@@drlarrymitchell Oh boy, it's the edgy contrarian again. If there's a comment on the internet about something being great, like The Godfather for example even, you can be sure there's going to be the generic someone who pops up out of their hole to say how shit it was.
And I've seen in a comment on another video that James Cameron wasn't allowed much input and he clashed all the time with Tim Miller over what goes into the movie, they didn't agree on many points, that's part of why it bombed.
Going off the pic of Furlong at 19:29, Norman Reedus would make a PERFECT John Connor, in resembling Furlongs John Connor, but also looking weathered and gaunt as you might expect of a man leading a resistance against machines that traumatised his adolescence
Yeah, but if you're getting a guy who looks like eddie furlong to play eddie furlong, why don't you just get eddie furlong??? Casting Bale made sense bc there's no way Furlong is gonna be Bale. Hell, they can cast Ethan Hawke to play JC next. I would dig that. It would look similar to the T2 adult John. But if the whole point is getting someone who looks like Furlong....just get Furlong and have him work out for 6 months.
I know how Terminator can be rebooted. check my script ""Skynet sends a terminator back to 68,000 B.C but quickly finds that humanity has almost been wiped out by a mysterious race of Aliens that are in turn being hunted by a bloodthirsty Predator""
Good video. Haven't seen Dark Fate and never wanted to, I was happy with the first two films and the "Sarah Connor Chronicles". Also, I love how all these new directors and writers act like having a badass female lead is so 'ground-breaking' when Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton did it first more than a decade ago!
I love Sarah Connor Chronicles. I thought that was really well done, and then they cap the show. I hoped it would get an ending movie like Serenity but nope.
@@rhyswong8976 Yes the Sarah Connor Chronicles were great and a fitting continuation to the first two films :=) pity we didn't get a movie or special that wrapped up the ending :=(
Instead of giving the fans finally the most important (judgment) day of this planet - the war between humans vs machines, something true fans wanna see as the main plot for over 28 years now....lets give people feminism and immagration topics...in a fucking TERMINATOR film!!!! Ah, and a 5.1 small, untrained young woman who rise as the most dangerous human on this planet for the machines...I can not believe what I just saw in the movie theater here in germany...
No, a kid in the front row said, right after the credits rolled, that T2 was better. He was right, even though it was something painful for me to admit.
I went and saw T3 in the theater. Except for the first 10 minute opener, the whole time it was on, I kept thinking Why are we watching a worse version of Terminator 2 again? At least the ending was interesting but overall it sucked. I only saw salvation at theaters after because it was a different idea but no others.
I thought T3 was good, but definitely not better than T2. Even though the T-X is not liquid metal, I can see how the person who wrote that film might think she was an upgrade from the T-1000, because...they both have shapeshifting abilities, but the T-X probably has an advantage over the T-1000 because when the T-800 was telling John what the T-1000 could do, John asked why the T-1000 would not turn into a bomb (of equal size to his body) to defeat him. The T-800 said the T-1000 could take the shape of sharp metal objects like knives and pitchforks, but can not form complex machines. The T-X, I believe, comes much closer to having that ability than the T-1000, and because she is not liquid metal, really hot and really cold temperatures can not slow her down like they slowed down the T-1000. September 25, 2021, 10:40pm
@@Adamkalb1 the T-X has the advantage over the T-1000 because like you said it can form complex machines, essentially she can with her plasma cannon, flamethrower & other weapons she can form with her arm.
I have to say i liked t3. Definitly not as good as the 2 classics before by any means, but fun. The worst thing it did was changing the end of t2. But as a movie itself, it was kinda good.
I do wanna see almost black arnold and brittish kung fu guy fighting sexy black man in an almost iron man suit. Might ve the best Gi Joe movie to date!
Or John Wick or Mission impossible right? Can't have someone just enjoying a popcorn action flick right? smh The irony that the ppl that hate the fact that the Fast series changed from what it used to be are prolly the ones bitching that Terminator didn't lol.
I couldn't get my friends to believe me when I told them the Terminator's name was "Carl" and he started his own life. Actually, I would have liked to see a movie about that journey but we only get vaguely told,we don't get to see the cold killer become someone to care and regret.
YES once you mentioned how dark fate were basically the "bad movies" that this movie was supposed to "ignore" all put into one I was instantly hooked onto this video because I've been saying this since the movie was released
Good assessment. 3 and 4 definitely started sliding down the scale, but at least they were somewhat original and continued the story. 5 & 6 don't exist
I left the theater after they killed John and the first car chase scene. Went and got a beer then came back. I was so pissed off that they had done that in this movie. Not to mention this movie is boring and basically meaningless.
Honestly John being killed off is actually good think about it t2 ended off so perfectly think about it they destroyed cyberdyne, they stopped judgement day and got rid of skynet so therefore he has nothing left to do his mission is over he successfully did what he set out to do in the future save humanity from skynet his mission so over his character is no longer relevant his story is over there is no point in continuing he has nothing to do and dark fate is basically what happens when John finishes his mission and the paradox cycle begins there will always be a John Conner a judgement day and a skynet
Did you sit through Genisys? John was killed by the T800 & his own parents in that..... I find it funny that fans are suddenly pissed John got killed off. I guess they wanted to see John as a loser, drinking beer and eating cheetos
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to what? Just make John a mentor figure for Danny in the movie, have him built up as this inspirational, charismatic, and badass character who teaches Danny on how to survice and be a better person and also encourage her to eventually accept her fate of being the future leader of the resistance. That way you have a movie where they are passing on the torch to the next generation but also respecting they're roots at the same time, have John fight the rev 9 using his brain and wits and ultimately sacrifice himself, and then Sarah can come in and help Danny prepare for the future. Boom, don't get me wrong the whole idea of skynet being replaced with legion is still dumb on paper and on screen, but at least that way they can give the character a proper send off. But they didn't do that and this movies' gonna bomb. Stupid writers
or Tim Miller blame movie goers for been misogynists as to the reason why the film failed despite the terminator franchise traditionally having female lead roles anyway only those movies succeeded as they didn't suck or force politics
Just like the remake of Ghostbusters, if you don't like the movie you hate women. Yet T2 is praised by most people and Sarah Conner was in most scenes.
They keep recreating the formula of T2, but I just wish they'd do a smaller scale story like T1 again with no friendly terminators to protect the main characters.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Salvation is pretty shit, but I kinda liked it because one, they didn't kill John in movie. They almost did, but didn't and two, I was also interested about the war before Skynet sent the T-800 back
Personally I like to ingore Terminator 3 I like to think of it as Terminator 1, Terminator 2, Terminator Salvation. I would have loved a Continuation of the Salvation Storyline so we get to see how Good T-800 got sent back into Terminator 2, plus the plot of the film could be centered around Resistance discovering Skynets plans on a Time travel Device
Salvation was what I wanted to see after T2, the war. It didn't exactly gave me what I was hoping but the foundation was there. Technically it was great, very good CGI combined with practical effects like a proper terminator film (arnie was too uncanny valley in some shots but still fine for the time), shot on locations, nice action scenes, the last scene in the factory was a nice wink to T1 and done well. If only they made that war look like what we saw in the first 2 films that would have been perfect. Even if they went back only to T1 to get ideas that would be enough. That Future Flashback scene when they get ambushed by the terminator gives almost everything what you need to know - the right tone, that you're fighting an enemy who doesn't need to sleep or eat, can be 24/7 on the battlefield, already sounds like a horrible war for humans, that they only go out at nights but still have to be careful, living in dirty underground bunkers eating rats. Terminators actually killing people not throwing them around (don't know why, for sport?) and music more in style of T1's future (Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon's score was like that at times). That's the war I wanted to see. So, had they done that and thought of something else than skynet's idiotic plan using Marcus, that film would be exactly what most of us wanted! But it still sticks out from all those post T2 expensive fan films.
‘Salvation’ tells about the very beginning of the Resistance with John Connor at the head of it (previous supreme commanders all fall - Connor comes to the stage, which is quite realistic). While the war depicted in T1-2 - with plasma rifles and mass production of T-800s* - was already near its end. So no wonder that it looks a bit different - this is what Kyle told Sarah about his youth, a 'retro-future'. I hoped to see how things evolve in next parts of the 'new trilogy' but then they filmed Genisys instead... As for me, 'Salvation', despite its tiny cons, is the best part of the franchise after T2 :) And the game 'Terminator: Resistance' is the only real thing that fills the gap between Salvation and T1 * T-800 series is called 'infiltrators'. These machines are not only human-like but they are also way more flexible, durable and intelligent in comparison to earlier 'rubber skin' models.
Looool!!! man i was cracking up, this was awesomely done mate, you studied the terminator as a major and you hold a PHD with it!! More on Terminator topics!! LOL
To be honest, I feel Eddie Furlong STILL has a chance to appear in at least 2 NEW Terminator films. If we were to take James Cameron's alternate ending of T2 as canon, then we could say that T2 IS the end of Skynet and the Terminator Franchise. What films that could be made are 1. A film on the 2029-John Connor that sent Kyle Reese to the '80s, so we can how the 2029-John Connor gets shaped into the leader of the resistance by his mother; this film could show his story from before he was born, all the way to the moment he sent kyle reese. 2. The second film could be of this same John Connor at the time when they capture, reprogram, and send to the '90s the Terminator known as Uncle Bob; then it could show the events after they do that and perhaps take down Skynet in this timeline and begin to rebuild civilization. Another thing is this: I understand as time passed and technology advanced, George Lucas updated/added things to his older films like Jabba the Hut the way he intended for him to look. If we took T2's alternate ending as canon, it could be re-shot as well as 2029-John Connor's appearance at the beginning of T2. Eddie Furlong is now an adult; This can be done and should be done in my opinion.
Finally, someone else who sees Dark Fate for what it is. Terminator: "Greatest Hits". But... *_Somehow_* missing every one of the *_awesome_* scenes of its predecessors. It plays more like a Mission Impossible movie, that _just happens_ to have Terminators in it.
Remember, folks, James Cameron - yes, James Cameron - was the one who endorsed Genisys, and he was also the one who came up with most of the major, and worst, plot points for this new film, including killing off John Connor from the get go. Thank him. I'm starting to think he's turning into another Ridley Scott or George Lucas. There's a good reason he doesn't make many films, and the reason is starting to look like it's because he's a hack and can't write for shit. Even the original Terminator wasn't his idea.
I think it was Mr. H Reviews who claimed James Cameron did not give a damn about Terminator or its fans. He just did this for the money. Money for his terrible Avatar sequels. Hope it was worth it, James.
It's more like he doesn't have the rights to his own creation anymore . He was set to get them back this year so I honestly think he's been underhandedly engineering the death of the franchise that should have never been.
This just proves every man has his price. The Terminator was just a job for James, Arnold, and Linda. These people don't care that this film takes a poo on the first Terminator films.
@@Gruntvc That Mr H character is just another one of those morons that likes to jump on the outrage bandwagon and complain about agendas that don't exist. If a product clearly isn't aimed at your demographic, then why shit on it or give it oxygen?
It was, but McG's idea for the next one kind of sucked. He said he wanted to do one where Skynet is able to do a time gateway or something so they are able to do a mass invasion of the past with hunter killers everywhere fighting present day military and John Connor goes back to warn everyone but they think he's crazy and when the invasion starts he has to lead the present day to victory. The reason I think it sucks is because it has fucking nothing to do with the future war. It's bringing the future war to the present but like...that's not what I wanted dammit lol.
@@Radb707 Oh yah that could have been a disaster. They need to just focus on the future war, and make it look like what we were shown in T1 and T2! Mix it up with that new style they brought in.
That is what The Critical Drinker said about Terminator Genisys! There was another T-1000 guy there, and while I was kind of okay with Genisys having a different T-1000 than the one we know from Judgement Day, The CD asked "I mean, would it really have been that difficult to de-age Robert Patrick for this scene? He can't be that forking expensive these days."
It's safe to say that T2's original ending where Skynet was gone for good, Sarah is alive an well, and John is a senator with a kid is the true ending to the Terminator franchise
Ranking Best to Worst 1. Judgement Day 2. The Terminator 3. Salvation 4. Genisys 5. Rise of the Machines 6. Dark Fate I'm 50/50 on switching Rise of the Machines and Genisys
John sitting down at the radio in the bunker and beginning to help people organize was legit one of my favorite scenes in the whole franchise. I want an entire movie that's just him in that bunker talking on the radio and forming the resistance.
How exactly is that genius though? Obviously, something was going to happen to Sarah Connor after blowing up a damned computer factory and she was the only one alive at the scene. The trauma, don't forget that.
@@KidaMilo89 I loved her Psychiatric Story more then the T-1000 Scenes and her doctors have been more scary than him ^^ Without Sarah and John Connor's Story/Relationship it would only have been a boring Action Movie like Rambo 2+ ^^
I really don't get it. The only handful of her doctors that could be considered 'scary' is the pervert with the glasses who sexually assaulted her and possibly could have done more if she stayed longer. So a Terminator made of mimetic poly-alloy with no intention but to end her life is less scary than some psychiatric doctors? But I guess I see what you mean.
The Terminator turned into a dedicated family man living with a silly woman, having a dog, and being a good "listener". Then you have the young petite girl who suddenly turns into a really tough warrior and will save the world. How can u go wrong?
The only way I'm coming back to this franchise is if they do a life of Carl the movie it could be a comedy about a robot trying to emulate human life just make the last 20 minutes outrageous action damn certified hit
Carl going to lowes or home depot to get crown molding and paint, and his nemesis shows up, and he remembers his family isn't there to see him this time. so he has this big huge drag out fight with ultra fit ultra buff guys in the middle of warehosue store using everything from the store as weapons. including arnie getting pinned between a forklift and a wall of cement bags, before he starts chucking cement bags at his attackers. Fight ends with arnie grabbing his bags, leaving money on the register: 'I won't be back.' Pan to the interrior of the store utterly destroyed.
@@singletona082 Honestly it sounds a lot better, they should have just gone full on comedy, that way they can get away with having no plot story or characters
Wow, loved it. So well done. Hit on every point and so detailed. Thanks for taking the time to do such an in depth review. I saw the movie, and couldn't agree more with you. Plus, various parts you were very funny and gave me many good laughs.
If T2 Terminator’s Mission was to Protect John Connor and Completed it, Why didn’t it Start a Drapery Business and have a non-physical relationship with a woman and have a Terminator Kid after? 🤔🤷♂️
Best scene in dark fate was Sarah admitting she didn’t have a photo of John “ I thought they couldn’t find him if they didn’t know what he looked like … but now IM starting to forget his face “
@@Lombarsi Because the way these movies are telling it it makes no sense. There's like four timelines and all are contradictory. John Connor is the savior of man. He's been the talking point for this whole series and then BOOM he's dead thereby erasing everything that has happened up to that point. Sarah Connor is dead in T3 but somehow here she is alive and well and now training a girl to be the savior because agenda. Genisys was nothing more than a retelling of the first movie and then they turned John into a terminator. Terminators supposedly don't age but they keep finding ways to put Arnold into these movies. First he stops judgement day (T2) then he doesn't stop judgement day (T3). Then we're beyond judgment day (Salvation) then we're back to the 80's (Genisys) First he's the savior (all movies) then he's dead (DF) First she's alive (1, 2) then she's dead (3, Salvation, Genisys) Now she's alive again (DF) This shit is all over the place. These last two movies have completely fucked both the timeline and the story. At least the first 4 movies kept the same story from the beginning. Now every movie they release creates it's own timeline and nothing connects to anything.
The Creator of the Sarah Connor Chronicles Josh Friedman wrote Terminator Dark Fate and reused a lot of the ideas from the series on the movie even ideas for the unmade 3rd season unfortunately his script had John Connor alive but the producers changed it, Also the creator Josh Friedman also did the short lived series Emerald City and Snowpiecer The Series and his biggest upcoming credit is Avatar 2 he finally gets to work with James Cameron himself.
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Infiltrator, Rising Storm and The Future War by S.M. Stirling would of made far superior films adapted from those books than the trash we've gotten in the three failed Terminator trilogy reboots: Salvation; Genysis and Dark Fate. Just found your channel and I'm subscribing.
My biggest problem with the new movie is that the “evil looking” terminator looks like a wimp It’s my least favorite looking Terminator of any type of Terminators
Imagine enjoying this movie because it featured minorities in leading rolls. Who the fuck even thinks like that??? These SJW's talk about it, but they don't even walk their talk, because it's garbage, they just want to look cool (and now there's a lot of fucking money in whoring yourself out to the neo-marxists).
A movie franchise about changing the future that is terrified of doing anything but reliving the past.
Well yeah the ONE TIME they change anything which was Salvation...which not only had the balls to not do the same chase movie formula, but also had the balls to go "Hey, we're gonna do the future before the future seen in the movies so no neon lasers at night"....it didn't do well. They've been scared ever since.
@@Radb707 should've kept the lasers
@@bigboss4993 yeh if they kept the retro look I’d love it a hell of a lot more
oohhhHHH DAMN!!! No he just did not even actually really say that!!!
For real though, well said. One sentence is all my man dash4800 needs to sum up the state of the franchise. I was gonna leave a long-winded comment about all this but why do that when this is already here? TH-cam Comment Of The Year.
@@Radb707 Yeah I agree with you, it’s kinda unfortunate that they’ve been shafted this hard for trying something new and they should’ve stuck with it, however even in Salvation they can’t stop themselves from going off the deep end with some bullshit plot twist conspiracy like all the other failed sequels plus some cheap arnold nostalgia.
But apart from that, especially the first half was actually pretty fine and easily the best Terminator content after T2.
It’s kinda like the Star Wars sequels, where the producers were scared so much by the failure of the prequels that they completely lost any balls to do take the series into a new direction.
It’s not even the “best movie since T2” since Salvation still holds that title...Salvation’s not perfect but at least it tries to do something different
Salvation is the movie all fans wanted to see: one that shows the war, and what led to John becoming leader, and Skynet sending the T-800 back. Problem is the producers set this as a new trilogy so we only started out with John before he became the leader. Another problem is that it's not set in the original timeline, before Reese was sent back (and now that I think about it, how was John born originally since Reese was his father? Did John have another father originally, is it that weird time paradox where the timeline fixes itself, so Reese becomes John's father instead? It's confusing when you think about it)
Salvation is technically set after T3, it has to be, how else would John know Kyle Reese is his dad?
Agreed! Salvation is the best movie sequel of the Terminator franchise after T2. My favorite continuation however was The Sarah Connor Chronicles
"Terminator: Salvation" was pretty darned good, I thought. And the sequels could have been even better.
I agree, might've led to the future war we actually wanted.
Genisys and T3 are both better than dark fate
I would have actually liked to have seen the planned Salvation trilogy that was supposed to happen. I actually like Salvation. It's certainly better than anything that followed it. And at least it wasn't about "John and Sarah" again. It actually did break the terminator mold in a lot of ways. I never understood the hate it got. At least they didn't try to shoehorn in an 80 year old Arnie into the movie as the main character.
Absolutely! Salvation is a solid movie. It's the third best film. I didn't know a trilogy was planned.. but it would have been welcomed. The rubber faced T-600's that Kyle talked about in original Terminator was neat to see, as well as the other machines. I think it would've been a good trilogy. Especially if they kept it in the future & it's "own stand alone story" or maybe had a completely different time jump. Obviously I love all the different "Terminator eye candy" in the 3 other movies. But at the end of the day, they simply do not compare. They are borderline trash. Dark Fate was just bad/sloppy writing & I truly feel that James Cameron was sick of "other" Terminator films being released so he released some bunk "resovled ending" to Terminator. The problem is SOO much time was lost, nearly a decade. They could've done SO Much with the franchise before ruining it. Sad really.
Annie is not even 80 years old
Defo, the future war happening, that's what fans want. We did get it in videogame format in terminator resistance which is pretty good, and works as a sequel to salvation,
Because that was the movie of the obviously not so infamous outburst from cristian bale who was the lead and batman at the time.
Batman was protected by itself but this movie had that and no Arnie as its marketing and was also another movie that tried to force that forgetful sam Worthington into a big movie star which he never was
@@kennywilkinson913 Plus "Anton Yelchin" (young 'Kyle Reese') ended up running himself over with his JEEP at his Hollywood home in 2016. They couldn't have logically replaced his character with a different actor.
The Thriller comparison and Arnold reading his text message got me laughing like no other
#R.I.P. X)
i loughed at the fresh prince of bell air reference so hard!!
I find it mind blowing that the t800 lied at the end of T2. It said that he cannot self terminate, but this series killed itself with Dark Fart.
That's a shitty way to die 😂😂😂
Dark fart 🤣🏆
"I cannot self-terminate.
I lied."
Being an Indian, especially a southerner, that Golimaar comparison to Thriller had me rolling in tears. 🤣 Spot on mate.
Don't really need to be Indian or South Indian or even Telugu to laugh at that lmao
It’s a little unfair to compare Dark Fate to Golimaar because I think most of us can agree that Golimaar is fucking hilarious. This movie however.....not so much.
@@VivaCubaRoja it's hilarious in a way that it tries to sell itself as new and different
Incredible India
OMG, does golimaar mean anything in Telugu? Or does it just mean "shoot"?
Had such high hopes when I saw Cameron's involvement, plus the return of Linda Hamilton...I don't get it, its like all the good Hollywood writers have suddenly been...terminated.
Haha good one, not cliche at all
Nah, just retired probably, and replaced by indoctrinated newly educated writers.
The 2008 writers strike never ended. They ran out of backlogged material in 2012. Since then, everything we see has been written by AI that has been trained by watching hit movies and tv shows using machine learning. Thats why everything today seems like a rehash of older media - it is.
From what I read, Cameron is the one who killed off JC. But why do that just so you can have gender swapped JC? It makes no sense. And it sucks this is supposed to be the "true" sequel to T2. Oh. what fun.
why would you expect these people to redo what they did thirty years ago...? What makes you think that they are even capable of such a thing?
That Thriller rip-off though 😂😂😂
Its from an old Indian movie. Here's the full video
th-cam.com/video/N8OJB5qLZ6o/w-d-xo.html
it had died hard seeing that LOL
I laughed so hard at that
Holy shit that was fucking hilarious lol
@@amanms1999 thank you so much
16:42: I swear, that Arnold imitation was perfect.
A Fat Middle-Aged John Connor would be a Subverted Protagonist.
I think it'd be great. This bloated John Connor trying to get clean while fighting Terminators but he's still got all that training from when he was a kid. So he starts off a neer do well, but when faced with a challenge, he rises to meet it, becoming a fat action hero. It'd be like Seth Rogen in Green Hornet but serious. The running joke would be characters going "Wait, you were supposed to be humanity's last hope? Seriously?" and everyone doubts him but in the end he taps into his inner asskicker.
@@Radb707 Better plot than Dark Fart
Terminator: “ I require your ticket money”
Me: “ talk to the hand 🖐 “
Chicken and Cheese Taquitos I snuck in and watched it free and still want my money back
This movie MeToo'd me
I just torrented it
Chicken and Cheese Taquitos it was an amazing movie not a terrible one none of the movies were terrible
*grabs hand* i require your ticket money.
How awesome it could have been, seeing John Connor as a real life Eddie Furlong.
Doing low end jobs, because he never had a normal childhood,
having come to terms that he no longer will be humanity's saviour, he's no longer the chosen one.
To humanity he's now a nobody.
Nobody knows how he and his mom saved the world. He's an unknown.
And now has to man up, get himself in order, because he has to chaperone the new chosen one.
Terminator: Arnie’s Angels.
😂👌
Carl's Angels
Dark Fate isn't even a good subtitle
😂😂😂
In order to do that properly they never should have shown Arnie's face.
Terminator salvation was an ok sequel, mainly because it at least showed us more things after Skynet declared Judgement Day. That and how the T-800 was created
@Ryan Maliek I chose those two things because they were the one that caught my interests the most. The rest of the movie, yeah... even I can agree that Salvation is still a pretty retarded sequel.
I just wish they hadn’t retconned the future war in that movie from the cool, gritty, purple laser/Tech Com stuff we all saw from the glimpses in those previous movies.
@@McSuperfly101 In fairness, Salvation is set in the early years of the future war. I mean Kyle Reese is a teenager(at least to me he looks like a teenager) in that movie. Kyle Reese was at least in his 20's-30's at least in that future flashback in Terminator 1.
So true. Of all the sequels, is the only one were i found the references not as offensive as in the other films. I kinda like that the first fight with a T-800 was in a factory, being the "last one" in a factory too.
i liked too the idea that was Skynet who give leadership over the human resistance to John, eliminating the original leaders.
Ahhhh, there are a story there in that movie. A good one. From a Mad Max future that can easily evolve into the future we all know in a future movie, following the war against the machines. But the films was just so weak.......is a pity. Still, it is a movie to me very similar to Prometheus. A movie I enjoy, but not because the movie is good, but for what the movie could have been.
@@bagsikdangal exactly, they were going to get there. If people just had a lil more patience. Geesh. It's their fault we got Dark Fate.
It is said in the T2 commentary that Linda Hamilton really did break the guys nose.
whose
@@whodatninja439 the hospital licking guy
@@user-lq2nu6cn7y Is that his movie credit listing? lol
Holy crap your right lol
@@smaakjeks His name is Dougie
Oh yes...the old "Mess with the timeline to restart the series."
But it's the second time in as many movies that they did that. Genisys did it too.
The canon ending I believe is in T2's deleted scene with grandma Sarah and Senator John
Yeah. I also like Cameron's original idea that the prime timeline is where Skynet won and it regretted killing humanity because it was only reacting in fear, so it created the time machine to make a future that would bring humanity into a golden age at the cost of itself. So it basically created John Connor.
@@Radb707 source?
@@ozbej5988 Terminator Vault: The Complete Story Behind the Making of The Terminator and The Terminator 2
@bigmikeobama5314 It should have been canon because it prevents any 3rd movie from existing
Sarah: "You don't know how to create life"
John: 🤦♂️
Still need a man for that. 🤷♂️
@@GingerZombie29
Keeping in mind that before that whole rant she tried to murder the guy she was preaching to, with complete disregard to his family which could have easily been caught in the crossfire.
Oh and she turned out to be a shitty mom as well.
Chad John Connor told her where should could stick that feminist bs
To be fair, she said, "Men like you." That wasn't a line from feminism. Sarah believes the preservation of her son John, a male, is the key to saving the future. She was no feminist.
@@GingerZombie29You realise that's a like from T2, right? The one everyone loves.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
They should have stopped after Terminator 2
You deserve this 2:32
Why?
And nobody else agrees with you .
Also I wish you'd try keyboard warrior
Also,also make a valid point as to why stopping at T2 is a bad idea.
@@phairecouchpotato3912 speak English please
@@phairecouchpotato3912 and I don't care about your opinion
@Ethan Seal yup
When your movie title is actually referring to itself.
Defender2516 hah!
EXACTLY! And great Arnie voice dude.
Yeah a better name would have been Terminator Dead on Arrival
@@SmileThePlanet we all see what kind of a person you are lol
When a Terminator takes itself too literally and becomes self aware.
In my collection;
1,2, Salvation. All you need.
@AlDelVex are you fucking kidding me? Why would you not include salvation....
Shot by Tyler Faglioni salvation is dog shit
is salvation canon?
Agree 100%
Mine are 1,2 and then the Sarah Conner Chronicles.
I actually liked Terminator 3...more than Dark Fart.
Me to
I love T3!
T3 was a honest movie, I don't get the hate. John and Kate were well developed characters, the plot about the rise of the machines was OK and the special effects were (mostly) satisfyingly practical, what's to hate about it?
@@souljastation5463 just the silly humor and the handicap of no Linda Hamilton, Ed Furlong and James Cameron. Otherwise it's a rather solid movie.
@@Dukeflyhawker I consider the silly humor the innovation of the 3rd movie: by then the formula was risking to start to became stale and change of pace was more than welcomed.
Also, to me the humor it's not overdone: towards the end, when things start to get serious the movie drops the humor completely.
Salvation tried to be its own movie, i actually liked that movie
@wobz What? Arnie was the only good part about Dark Fate. Arnold and Linda were the only reason this movie had any quality.
Why has Dark Fate got so many bad reviews ?
I liked it
@@GetUrOwnHandle because it kinda ripped off the previous movies. Plus the gender swapping on top of it.
@@GetUrOwnHandle the story is dog shit. grace is a total mary sue. it's actually ironically sexist, as obviously grace, as a simple female, wasn't good enough to protect dani. grace *had* to be enhanced in order to be "good enough". sarah conner's resume is drinking and hunting terminators??? where the fuck does the money for all this shit come from? dani, in stereotypical mexican form, just happens to have an uncle that can smuggle them across the border. super lame.
@@thelaughindustry773 I agree about the gender swapping stuff. It's super unnatural for women to replace men in these roles..
My biggest take away from this was that Arnold has a tank in real life, holy shit.
Great points too man.
"Easy money," Cameron and Miller thought. They didn't know that some people are still smart.
김준면 them and David Ellison
I really don't think Cameron felt that way, but he didn't "buy in" as much as we were told he did years ago when he "retook the reins of the franchise." That said though I agree with you that he either didn't fight hard enough for "his vision" or he didn't care at this point. He said long time ago that the considered Term 1-2 to be closed loops in his sense of time-travel, and heck he made the thing so... *shrugs, is tired* I love this franchise and would like to see it continue, but why can't we do like original Star Wars (pre-Disney, and Halo games for that matter) and explore the expanded universe and the stories untold, both the future and the past and all in between.
It's a rich world, we shouldn't feel like the paupers of it. Especially since WE finance the damn thing. Maybe they'll get the message after this. Best wishes to you
ever since he made that chick terminator hes got water on the brain hes a traitor to the male race
@@gkroll8467 ? Since who made "chick" terminator? Cameron wasn't part of T3. It was an (admittedly silly) attempt to get boy-butts in the seats, as well as try to diversify the story. It was far less heavy-handed about it compared to Dark Fate, but it still rolled with a bit too much "Girl Power," but on the human side... John's future wife appeared but was a tough character,
Just reread your post, I hope I'm not drunkenly assuming you didn't mean the idea that John made the Cameron model from SarahConnorChronicles?
James Cameron doesn't care about terminator anymore he stopped giving a shit after T2.
Mexican lady John connor is already forgotten she’s so boring
She was fine though.
Not to mention completely unbelievable as any type of leader. A five-foot nothing who can barely hold a short-barreled/ bullpup shotgun .... Give me a farging break.
She ain't no John and Grace ain't no Kyle Reese.
Adah BombDon Juanita Connor
@@CJM333 The lesbionic duo can rot in Hell. Neither would survive the original J-Day. They need to resurrect John stat!
Terminator: Dark Fart is an exact rehash of the original except without the style and heart.
"Tim Miller explains why Terminator: Dark Fate will "Scare the F&&&" out of Misogynists." Yes at the 140$ million loss due to people not seeing this movie, all the "Misogynists" sure were "scared" alright. People love to talk about Misogynists however they completely ignore Misandrists or people who discriminate against men.
right, Tim Miller ironically scared the mysoginists right out of the theater. Let's start a betting pool for how long hollywood can afford to continue this social justice crusade.
What happened in America? We dont have this feminist shit in our republic at all, shame of the west, shame!
Indy midgets are garbage - Sorry man, but I still dont understand. I dont get it, but it seems that America is full of shitty people, nothing new about this statement.
You know what they say, "Get woke, get broke." You would have thought Hollywood would have learned from Captain Marvel.
Had he not gone in that direction, it might have done better. But we'll never know
"For Jahn"
Jeremy Jahns?
In the theater I was thinking don't say for John. Don't say for John....
4Chan! 4Chan! 4Chan!
furh
Jahnny boy
Tell you what I find hilarious - Cameron gave Alien 3 a hard time for killing off Hicks and Newt after the audience had "built up an emotional connection" (I don't disagree), but then went and let them kill John Conner in the first 60 seconds of this movie. His idea? Dunno. But even if it wasn't, he should have stopped it in its tracks.
You know how they should fix the Terminator franchise (and it's already flatlining)? They need to ditch the money, ditch the SFX, move away from Sarah and John Connor and take it back to being a low-budget, scary, gritty, violent horror movie.
Or just get us to the War Against the Machines. Hell, combine the two. Focus on the very first years after the nuclear war; where humanity and Skynet are rebuilding. Perhaps set it in a steel mill or rich in iron mine that Skynet wants for it’s war machines and the slowly building up Tech-CoM wants to either deny Skynet or use to build their own counters. Early infiltrator units and some truly creepy animalistic or outright alien machines could be used and stay focused on the small village or town built up around that facility.
Been saying that for a long time or at least focus on the future war and the grit and terror like in t1
They need to just fully commit to the future war
You know you’re in trouble when the helicopter scenes in this new films suck compared to T2. Also, they’re idea of improving the movie is to put in Bigger crappier and crappier CGI. Two CGI airplanes colliding? Is this a terminator movie or Last Action Hero part 2? These people just don’t seem to get the core of the films. Here’s a clue, It’s not about bigger and bigger CGI. I really think they dumb these films Way Down because they’re trying to satisfy an international audience. Instead of original story, they settle for original cgi explosion.
The people that made the Rambo the movie the game made a better Terminator 'movie' with the future-war shown than any moviemakers had.
Seriously, 'he's a man not a god!' people made Terminator Resistance and it's GREAT.
"We can never, ever get out of Terminator 2." Agreed. And even if we did it just wouldn't match up anyway since there is no way to raise the bar higher than T2 did. The story has been told. All we're getting now is nostalgia padding.
T2 was crap, and they still can't live up to it.
They could write a story where the terminator wins. Instead of this garbage, omg we're gonna die, omg that was 1 in a million coincidence, omg we're gonna die, omg that was a 1 in a million coincidence, bullshit story cycle.
@@drlarrymitchell unpopular opinion.jpg
@@drlarrymitchell Oh boy, it's the edgy contrarian again. If there's a comment on the internet about something being great, like The Godfather for example even, you can be sure there's going to be the generic someone who pops up out of their hole to say how shit it was.
@@drlarrymitchell having a negative opinion of something well-regarded doesn't make you cool or special, it just makes you look like a fool. fyi
Miller was FIRED from Deadpool, you can't really call him the producer...
Wanted to wokify Deadpool
And I've seen in a comment on another video that James Cameron wasn't allowed much input and he clashed all the time with Tim Miller over what goes into the movie, they didn't agree on many points, that's part of why it bombed.
@@adinadamian5634 bat shit insane this happened. How arrogant do you have to be to clash WITH JAMES CAMERON ON ANYTHING TERMINATOR?
@@aaronroibeard Clashing with the man who made Terminator a success in the first place? What could go wrong?
The Terminator text made me spit coffee, well done lad!
Mmm, I doubt that. 😂
This is a good video.
Woah it's that guy
This is a good comment.
No I wont watch your shitty videos thanks
Very insightful
This is a bad movie.
Ter-Man-Hater: Dark Hate
“I need your dress, your heels and your menstrual cycle"
"You forgot to say please." I couldn't resist! lol!
well done
@@GameBuilder15 *bows* Thank you.
😂😂😂😂
Jawn...
Going off the pic of Furlong at 19:29, Norman Reedus would make a PERFECT John Connor, in resembling Furlongs John Connor, but also looking weathered and gaunt as you might expect of a man leading a resistance against machines that traumatised his adolescence
Mathew Staader holy shit your a genius! Yes Norman Reedus would have been a perfect John Conner, to fucking late now good job Hollywood🖕.
it's not entirely too late
*slowly presses the reboot button*
@DillyDyson007 oh it'll happen, it always happens in Hollywood.
i'd watch that. 12 years ago in the Salvation trilogy that never happened
Yeah, but if you're getting a guy who looks like eddie furlong to play eddie furlong, why don't you just get eddie furlong??? Casting Bale made sense bc there's no way Furlong is gonna be Bale. Hell, they can cast Ethan Hawke to play JC next. I would dig that. It would look similar to the T2 adult John. But if the whole point is getting someone who looks like Furlong....just get Furlong and have him work out for 6 months.
I know how Terminator can be rebooted. check my script ""Skynet sends a terminator back to 68,000 B.C but quickly finds that humanity has almost been wiped out by a mysterious race of Aliens that are in turn being hunted by a bloodthirsty Predator""
Im a south indian and im truly sorry for golimar.
😂🤣
What is Golimar?
Why? It's so beyond wtf it's looped back around to being awesome.
Bro I think Goli Maar is be the best underdog Indian meme ever.
@@mistymilton4958 it mean " shot the bullet "
Good video. Haven't seen Dark Fate and never wanted to, I was happy with the first two films and the "Sarah Connor Chronicles". Also, I love how all these new directors and writers act like having a badass female lead is so 'ground-breaking' when Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton did it first more than a decade ago!
More than two decades ago.
@@mrflynn1205 Even better :=)
I love Sarah Connor Chronicles. I thought that was really well done, and then they cap the show. I hoped it would get an ending movie like Serenity but nope.
@@rhyswong8976 Yes the Sarah Connor Chronicles were great and a fitting continuation to the first two films :=) pity we didn't get a movie or special that wrapped up the ending :=(
"It's like poetry, it rhymes."
- George Lucas
Instead of giving the fans finally the most important (judgment) day of this planet - the war between humans vs machines, something true fans wanna see as the main plot for over 28 years now....lets give people feminism and immagration topics...in a fucking TERMINATOR film!!!! Ah, and a 5.1 small, untrained young woman who rise as the most dangerous human on this planet for the machines...I can not believe what I just saw in the movie theater here in germany...
@Black yup
When T3 came out, I wonder if people said "it's the best one since the T2"
No, a kid in the front row said, right after the credits rolled, that T2 was better. He was right, even though it was something painful for me to admit.
I went and saw T3 in the theater. Except for the first 10 minute opener, the whole time it was on, I kept thinking Why are we watching a worse version of Terminator 2 again? At least the ending was interesting but overall it sucked. I only saw salvation at theaters after because it was a different idea but no others.
I thought T3 was good, but definitely not better than T2. Even though the T-X is not liquid metal, I can see how the person who wrote that film might think she was an upgrade from the T-1000, because...they both have shapeshifting abilities, but the T-X probably has an advantage over the T-1000 because when the T-800 was telling John what the T-1000 could do, John asked why the T-1000 would not turn into a bomb (of equal size to his body) to defeat him. The T-800 said the T-1000 could take the shape of sharp metal objects like knives and pitchforks, but can not form complex machines. The T-X, I believe, comes much closer to having that ability than the T-1000, and because she is not liquid metal, really hot and really cold temperatures can not slow her down like they slowed down the T-1000. September 25, 2021, 10:40pm
@@Adamkalb1 the T-X has the advantage over the T-1000 because like you said it can form complex machines, essentially she can with her plasma cannon, flamethrower & other weapons she can form with her arm.
I have to say i liked t3.
Definitly not as good as the 2 classics before by any means, but fun.
The worst thing it did was changing the end of t2.
But as a movie itself, it was kinda good.
Just watch T1 and T2 again, the movies after never happened, it's really that simple. LOL
T1 - 4 are acceptable in my view. I cannot even watch genyshit all the way through and some say dark fate is worse so I won't even bother seeing it.
@@chatteyj Nahh, just end it at t2's uncut ending
@The Glazing Eye Nah in reply to your 'Nah' as well
Non of us will be back!
The Rev-9 was the best part of this movie, and the fact that I'm saying that hurts me to no end.
Terminator : Ellen DeGeneres
LMAO 😂😂😂
The same people that like Terminator: Dark Fate simply because of the action, are the same people who pay to see every garbage Fast & Furious sequel.
DiamondDead i hate to generalize like this but people like that are typically low iq as hell
I do wanna see almost black arnold and brittish kung fu guy fighting sexy black man in an almost iron man suit. Might ve the best Gi Joe movie to date!
Or John Wick or Mission impossible right? Can't have someone just enjoying a popcorn action flick right? smh The irony that the ppl that hate the fact that the Fast series changed from what it used to be are prolly the ones bitching that Terminator didn't lol.
I liked the action, the fight in the car factory was cool I think, but still I did not like the movie... like... at all...
They are the same people that dont like the original Terminator because "it's too boring"
I couldn't get my friends to believe me when I told them the Terminator's name was "Carl" and he started his own life.
Actually, I would have liked to see a movie about that journey but we only get vaguely told,we don't get to see the cold killer become someone to care and regret.
Terminator: Woke Fate - Tagline: "RESPECT WHAMEN!!!!"
You again?!
@Snafu - You again?!
Axess2084 you again?
Retro Gamer 64 you again?
Wanker
"Grandma got some strong bones" im dead xd
YES once you mentioned how dark fate were basically the "bad movies" that this movie was supposed to "ignore" all put into one I was instantly hooked onto this video because I've been saying this since the movie was released
The only ones I consider canon:
Terminator
Terminator 2
Terminator 3
Terminator Salvation
I agree! T3 was part of my childhood favorites, it came from TV many times!
T1
T2
you're like me then. Although not perfect movies, I liked T3 and Salvation, but after it they just ran out of ideas and started rebooting.
Good assessment. 3 and 4 definitely started sliding down the scale, but at least they were somewhat original and continued the story. 5 & 6 don't exist
T1 T2 T3
I left the theater after they killed John and the first car chase scene. Went and got a beer then came back. I was so pissed off that they had done that in this movie. Not to mention this movie is boring and basically meaningless.
i wouldve done the same thing ! So glad ive seen some spoiler. I will NEVER see that crap
@@CypHiLL2007 I'm right with you
Honestly John being killed off is actually good think about it t2 ended off so perfectly think about it they destroyed cyberdyne, they stopped judgement day and got rid of skynet so therefore he has nothing left to do his mission is over he successfully did what he set out to do in the future save humanity from skynet his mission so over his character is no longer relevant his story is over there is no point in continuing he has nothing to do and dark fate is basically what happens when John finishes his mission and the paradox cycle begins there will always be a John Conner a judgement day and a skynet
Did you sit through Genisys? John was killed by the T800 & his own parents in that..... I find it funny that fans are suddenly pissed John got killed off. I guess they wanted to see John as a loser, drinking beer and eating cheetos
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to what? Just make John a mentor figure for Danny in the movie, have him built up as this inspirational, charismatic, and badass character who teaches Danny on how to survice and be a better person and also encourage her to eventually accept her fate of being the future leader of the resistance. That way you have a movie where they are passing on the torch to the next generation but also respecting they're roots at the same time, have John fight the rev 9 using his brain and wits and ultimately sacrifice himself, and then Sarah can come in and help Danny prepare for the future. Boom, don't get me wrong the whole idea of skynet being replaced with legion is still dumb on paper and on screen, but at least that way they can give the character a proper send off. But they didn't do that and this movies' gonna bomb. Stupid writers
5:11 u mentioned Chiranjivi's Telugu Song GOLI MAAAAAAAR hahahaha..
I hope this means this franchise is dead.
Just watch James Cameron is gonna blame the MCU for this movies failure.
or Tim Miller blame movie goers for been misogynists as to the reason why
the film failed despite the terminator franchise traditionally having female lead roles anyway only those movies succeeded as they didn't suck or force politics
MCU is dead
What? Why would he do that?
@@eliaspeter7689 cause he and many others have a hate boner for the MCU
@@redharrison894 keep telling yourself that.
I'm sure one day it'll be true.
Just like the remake of Ghostbusters, if you don't like the movie you hate women.
Yet T2 is praised by most people and Sarah Conner was in most scenes.
Just watched Feminator: Woke Fate today, pure unadulterated garbage
That's creative 😂😂
That should be the actual title! I'll never, ever consider this movie canon.
@@TGT2012 Well, it’s more creative than this movie.
I hope this means the franchise can just R.I.P
Must like a certain other movie too. Ghostbusters, I'm watching you
@@berserkhunter1981 Oh yeah I forgot they're making another one
@@berserkhunter1981 I don't want another Ghostbusters after the Ghostbusters 2016 fiasco.
Just let sleeping dogs lie.
Predetor ruined? Check
Aliens ruined? Check
Terminator ruined? Check
Star wars ruined? Check 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
dont forget about Robocop
And Indy...
And Diehard...
Even Tlotr, just not quite as bad...
.....for the love of GOD....leave Lethal weapon the hell alone..... they been threatening it.... just dont do it.... fuckin hands off ....
Its like they want to destroy everything we love...
@@bucknasty69 anything masculine has to go
They keep recreating the formula of T2, but I just wish they'd do a smaller scale story like T1 again with no friendly terminators to protect the main characters.
The beauty is Arnie could still be included, but as the original human template for the T800.
My timeline is
Terminator 1
Terminator 2
Terminator 3
Terminator Salvation
This is also my top list
AMEN and this is coming from a person who didn't like Salvation.
I still wanted to see the future war.
Giovanni Giovanni. I like T4 too. But my heart goes too T3 because of the Arnold
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Salvation is pretty shit, but I kinda liked it because one, they didn't kill John in movie. They almost did, but didn't and two, I was also interested about the war before Skynet sent the T-800 back
In T3 the world just ends - wich I think is a great way to end the movie instead of a "save the day" ending. Also T4 is great to see the future war.
Personally I like to ingore Terminator 3 I like to think of it as Terminator 1, Terminator 2, Terminator Salvation. I would have loved a Continuation of the Salvation Storyline so we get to see how Good T-800 got sent back into Terminator 2, plus the plot of the film could be centered around Resistance discovering Skynets plans on a Time travel Device
Salvation was what I wanted to see after T2, the war. It didn't exactly gave me what I was hoping but the foundation was there. Technically it was great, very good CGI combined with practical effects like a proper terminator film (arnie was too uncanny valley in some shots but still fine for the time), shot on locations, nice action scenes, the last scene in the factory was a nice wink to T1 and done well. If only they made that war look like what we saw in the first 2 films that would have been perfect. Even if they went back only to T1 to get ideas that would be enough. That Future Flashback scene when they get ambushed by the terminator gives almost everything what you need to know - the right tone, that you're fighting an enemy who doesn't need to sleep or eat, can be 24/7 on the battlefield, already sounds like a horrible war for humans, that they only go out at nights but still have to be careful, living in dirty underground bunkers eating rats. Terminators actually killing people not throwing them around (don't know why, for sport?) and music more in style of T1's future (Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon's score was like that at times). That's the war I wanted to see. So, had they done that and thought of something else than skynet's idiotic plan using Marcus, that film would be exactly what most of us wanted! But it still sticks out from all those post T2 expensive fan films.
‘Salvation’ tells about the very beginning of the Resistance with John Connor at the head of it (previous supreme commanders all fall - Connor comes to the stage, which is quite realistic). While the war depicted in T1-2 - with plasma rifles and mass production of T-800s* - was already near its end. So no wonder that it looks a bit different - this is what Kyle told Sarah about his youth, a 'retro-future'. I hoped to see how things evolve in next parts of the 'new trilogy' but then they filmed Genisys instead... As for me, 'Salvation', despite its tiny cons, is the best part of the franchise after T2 :) And the game 'Terminator: Resistance' is the only real thing that fills the gap between Salvation and T1
* T-800 series is called 'infiltrators'. These machines are not only human-like but they are also way more flexible, durable and intelligent in comparison to earlier 'rubber skin' models.
"These movies are like Taco Bell."
-Mike from RLM
Hard pass. Not another unwanted woke reboot.
Rather wait for Terminator Resistance.
That Arnold impression was spot on.
No way it was going to work without the original actor of john C being involved in the movie
Your terminator accent is really makin me laugh out loud. this is killing me omfg!
11:22 Arny impression is legit.
Almost as good as the 'talk to the hand" arnie impression at 13:00
For John! #RIP
Looool!!! man i was cracking up, this was awesomely done mate, you studied the terminator as a major and you hold a PHD with it!! More on Terminator topics!! LOL
1. T2 Judgement Day
2. The Terminator
3. T2 Trainspotting
To be honest, I feel Eddie Furlong STILL has a chance to appear in at least 2 NEW Terminator films. If we were to take James Cameron's alternate ending of T2 as canon, then we could say that T2 IS the end of Skynet and the Terminator Franchise. What films that could be made are 1. A film on the 2029-John Connor that sent Kyle Reese to the '80s, so we can how the 2029-John Connor gets shaped into the leader of the resistance by his mother; this film could show his story from before he was born, all the way to the moment he sent kyle reese. 2. The second film could be of this same John Connor at the time when they capture, reprogram, and send to the '90s the Terminator known as Uncle Bob; then it could show the events after they do that and perhaps take down Skynet in this timeline and begin to rebuild civilization. Another thing is this: I understand as time passed and technology advanced, George Lucas updated/added things to his older films like Jabba the Hut the way he intended for him to look. If we took T2's alternate ending as canon, it could be re-shot as well as 2029-John Connor's appearance at the beginning of T2. Eddie Furlong is now an adult; This can be done and should be done in my opinion.
Finally, someone else who sees Dark Fate for what it is. Terminator: "Greatest Hits". But... *_Somehow_* missing every one of the *_awesome_* scenes of its predecessors. It plays more like a Mission Impossible movie, that _just happens_ to have Terminators in it.
"The best since T2" more like "The WORST since Genisys".
Wicked Houston So? The movie still sucks and it is considered to be worldwide hated.
Wicked Houston lmao whatever you say, boomer.
@@wickedhouston5538 the movie floped :-)
@@wickedhouston5538 that's worldwide box office. And they spent so much it's only a matter if they'll lose 100 or 130 million
well said
Remember, folks, James Cameron - yes, James Cameron - was the one who endorsed Genisys, and he was also the one who came up with most of the major, and worst, plot points for this new film, including killing off John Connor from the get go. Thank him. I'm starting to think he's turning into another Ridley Scott or George Lucas. There's a good reason he doesn't make many films, and the reason is starting to look like it's because he's a hack and can't write for shit. Even the original Terminator wasn't his idea.
I think it was Mr. H Reviews who claimed James Cameron did not give a damn about Terminator or its fans.
He just did this for the money. Money for his terrible Avatar sequels.
Hope it was worth it, James.
It's more like he doesn't have the rights to his own creation anymore . He was set to get them back this year so I honestly think he's been underhandedly engineering the death of the franchise that should have never been.
This just proves every man has his price. The Terminator was just a job for James, Arnold, and Linda. These people don't care
that this film takes a poo on the first Terminator films.
@@Gruntvc That Mr H character is just another one of those morons that likes to jump on the outrage bandwagon and complain about agendas that don't exist. If a product clearly isn't aimed at your demographic, then why shit on it or give it oxygen?
@@DeathToGlobalistsDavidSmith Exactly. They're in the employ of their paymasters. Money talks, not artistic integrity, because there is none.
They should have continued with Terminator salvation. That was the best reboot.
It was, but McG's idea for the next one kind of sucked. He said he wanted to do one where Skynet is able to do a time gateway or something so they are able to do a mass invasion of the past with hunter killers everywhere fighting present day military and John Connor goes back to warn everyone but they think he's crazy and when the invasion starts he has to lead the present day to victory. The reason I think it sucks is because it has fucking nothing to do with the future war. It's bringing the future war to the present but like...that's not what I wanted dammit lol.
@@Radb707 Oh yah that could have been a disaster. They need to just focus on the future war, and make it look like what we were shown in T1 and T2! Mix it up with that new style they brought in.
@@mrchrisknight315 just don't Mix it up w
With that giant transformer from salvation, worst part of the film.
Thwy may as well have brought back Robert Patrick too. Can't imagine he's too busy since the show "Scorpion" got cancelled.
That is what The Critical Drinker said about Terminator Genisys! There was another T-1000 guy there, and while I was kind of okay with Genisys having a different T-1000 than the one we know from Judgement Day, The CD asked "I mean, would it really have been that difficult to de-age Robert Patrick for this scene? He can't be that forking expensive these days."
The Darkest Fate in The Terminator Universe
you wanna know dont you dude? lol lol
It's safe to say that T2's original ending where Skynet was gone for good, Sarah is alive an well, and John is a senator with a kid is the true ending to the Terminator franchise
This movie makes me love T3, like truly makes me feel grateful for that movie.
Shut up moron
Me too bro
Why? T3 is the OG force awakens. It invalidated the previous movie.
Guy Mcface shut up dick face the latest terminator is good
Yeah jajaj is the best after of t2
Ranking Best to Worst
1. Judgement Day
2. The Terminator
3. Salvation
4. Genisys
5. Rise of the Machines
6. Dark Fate
I'm 50/50 on switching Rise of the Machines and Genisys
Genisys is dead last and it's not even close.
@@redrumloa No Dark Fate will always be the worst Terminator movie.
Tbh. The “talk to the hand” and “also, this is Texas” lines were really funny to me.
Me too.
T3 may not have been the best but it had a great ending, and gave us the perfect springboard to a trilogy set in the future.
John sitting down at the radio in the bunker and beginning to help people organize was legit one of my favorite scenes in the whole franchise. I want an entire movie that's just him in that bunker talking on the radio and forming the resistance.
Termonator 2 was so genius with the Psychiatric and John Connor Plot
How exactly is that genius though? Obviously, something was going to happen to Sarah Connor after blowing up a damned computer factory and she was the only one alive at the scene. The trauma, don't forget that.
@@KidaMilo89 I loved her Psychiatric Story more then the T-1000 Scenes and her doctors have been more scary than him ^^ Without Sarah and John Connor's Story/Relationship it would only have been a boring Action Movie like Rambo 2+ ^^
I really don't get it. The only handful of her doctors that could be considered 'scary' is the pervert with the glasses who sexually assaulted her and possibly could have done more if she stayed longer. So a Terminator made of mimetic poly-alloy with no intention but to end her life is less scary than some psychiatric doctors? But I guess I see what you mean.
Man, your Arnold accent is on point!
The Terminator turned into a dedicated family man living with a silly woman, having a dog, and being a good "listener". Then you have the young petite girl who suddenly turns into a really tough warrior and will save the world. How can u go wrong?
The only way I'm coming back to this franchise is if they do a life of Carl the movie it could be a comedy about a robot trying to emulate human life just make the last 20 minutes outrageous action damn certified hit
Carl going to lowes or home depot to get crown molding and paint, and his nemesis shows up, and he remembers his family isn't there to see him this time. so he has this big huge drag out fight with ultra fit ultra buff guys in the middle of warehosue store using everything from the store as weapons. including arnie getting pinned between a forklift and a wall of cement bags, before he starts chucking cement bags at his attackers.
Fight ends with arnie grabbing his bags, leaving money on the register: 'I won't be back.'
Pan to the interrior of the store utterly destroyed.
@@singletona082 Honestly it sounds a lot better, they should have just gone full on comedy, that way they can get away with having no plot story or characters
I'd actually go watch that.
To me The Sarah Connor Chronicles was the next best. S2 got a little eh by the end but it stays 95% true to the first 2.
Tim Miller: You gotta listen to what audiences want, you say ¨Hasta la vista franchise¨
Everyone in the cast: No problemo!
Who would’ve thought...
Great commentary and analysis. Thank you.
Wow, loved it. So well done. Hit on every point and so detailed. Thanks for taking the time to do such an in depth review. I saw the movie, and couldn't agree more with you. Plus, various parts you were very funny and gave me many good laughs.
If T2 Terminator’s Mission was to Protect John Connor and Completed it, Why didn’t it Start a Drapery Business and have a non-physical relationship with a woman and have a Terminator Kid after? 🤔🤷♂️
Best scene in dark fate was Sarah admitting she didn’t have a photo of John “ I thought they couldn’t find him if they didn’t know what he looked like … but now IM starting to forget his face “
The terminator timeline is so confusing now, my brain cannot compensate.
X-men fan: first time
Comprehend
@@Lombarsi Because the way these movies are telling it it makes no sense. There's like four timelines and all are contradictory. John Connor is the savior of man. He's been the talking point for this whole series and then BOOM he's dead thereby erasing everything that has happened up to that point. Sarah Connor is dead in T3 but somehow here she is alive and well and now training a girl to be the savior because agenda. Genisys was nothing more than a retelling of the first movie and then they turned John into a terminator. Terminators supposedly don't age but they keep finding ways to put Arnold into these movies. First he stops judgement day (T2) then he doesn't stop judgement day (T3). Then we're beyond judgment day (Salvation) then we're back to the 80's (Genisys) First he's the savior (all movies) then he's dead (DF) First she's alive (1, 2) then she's dead (3, Salvation, Genisys) Now she's alive again (DF) This shit is all over the place. These last two movies have completely fucked both the timeline and the story. At least the first 4 movies kept the same story from the beginning. Now every movie they release creates it's own timeline and nothing connects to anything.
We have some hope in Terminator: Resistance
@@Lombarsi Lies...?
The Creator of the Sarah Connor Chronicles Josh Friedman wrote Terminator Dark Fate and reused a lot of the ideas from the series on the movie even ideas for the unmade 3rd season unfortunately his script had John Connor alive but the producers changed it,
Also the creator Josh Friedman also did the short lived series Emerald City and Snowpiecer The Series and his biggest upcoming credit is Avatar 2 he finally gets to work with James Cameron himself.
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Okay the impersonations are dead-ringers. Incredible.
Infiltrator, Rising Storm and The Future War by S.M. Stirling would of made far superior films adapted from those books than the trash we've gotten in the three failed Terminator trilogy reboots: Salvation; Genysis and Dark Fate. Just found your channel and I'm subscribing.
My biggest problem with the new movie is that the “evil looking” terminator looks like a wimp
It’s my least favorite looking Terminator of any type of Terminators
Imagine enjoying this movie because it featured minorities in leading rolls. Who the fuck even thinks like that??? These SJW's talk about it, but they don't even walk their talk, because it's garbage, they just want to look cool (and now there's a lot of fucking money in whoring yourself out to the neo-marxists).