You may not care, but my opinion Schwarzenneger's fame didn't kill franchise. There was no franchise in the first place. There were just two movies- a very solid sci-fi horror, and a very solid sci-fi action film. Both had believable characters that developed in believable way, good acting, solid scenario, and, what is often forgotten, were realistic in therms of physics (except for time travel). Terminator 3 started a series of films that completely ignored physics, character development, and had illogical scenarios. These were simply very bad movies written by people with brains of 10 years olds. There is no need to blame an actor here. Even if Schwarzenneger was never to play terminator after T2, there is no reason to believe these movies wouldn't make the same mistakes. Terminator was bound to go downhill past the 80s when computer development went a very different (and in ways slower) path than anticipated. From today's perspecitve even T1 loses a lot, but this doesn't mean that lots of mistakes that T3 and other movies made, couldn't have been avoided. And look at your's criticism as well; most of the time you're actually complaining about scenario, ill character development, mood, and lack respect for physics. Most of these things have nothing to do with Arnold, and to be fair, his somewhat ill performance in T3 fits the film since its only tolerable as a parody.
Tom Hardy replaces Mel Gibson in Mad Max Fury Road and it becomes the highest grossing of the franchise and bags a load of Oscar nominations. JJ Abrams recast the original Star Trek cast in the 2009 reboot and that becomes the highest grossing film of the franchise. So who says another actor can't play the terminator!
Dark Fate pissed me off for this reason. They touted it as this reboot and how none of the sequels after 2 were canon yet proceeded to make the EXACT same mistakes those movies did and again remade the second movie.
If you look up the definition of the term drug-fucked his picture is right there. It is a shame. I thought after American History X his career would keep going from strength to strength
Arnold’s ego got the best of him. I remembered when he charged so much just to voice a couple lines in a movie. The directors then switched up and asked Sylvester Stallone took the role and voiced the lines and he did it.. FOR FREE. Love you Sylvester Stallone, what a humble man.
@@cordzfx IMO, Salvation had some great potential. A few gripes would be the A-10’s that the resistance flew and the daylight activities, just to name a few.
It was good cuz it was actually different from all the other terminator movies . Personally I hated it the first time I saw it cuz I was expecting Black Hawk Down with terminators . But watching it again especially directors cut , I appreciate it now .
I always found it annoying how Arnie's Terminator in the first movie only wore sunglasses in the first movie out of necessity to cover up his damaged/exposed eye and then he ended becoming obsessed with them in the sequels.
@@amberlopez7477 Nah, Last Action Hero was a good film. It was just marketed wrong. People went in expecting it to be an action film, not the silly parody it actually was.
I love how Arnold basically just kept coming back for the cash and everyone acts like he did it for the love of the series. Even people in this comment section are like "Arnold holds this franchise together" 🙄😑
@@BarraLibre Are you alright in the head? Who do you even reply to? I don't see anyone "shiting on him" here in this thread. The only one shitting is you, yourself, here
Huh I never noticed the subtle differences in Arnold's movements as the Terminator from 1/2 to 3 but I can totally see it now. I did notice the difference in weight and strength from 1/2 to 3 and that always bugged me.
Oh you forgot the scene in 3 when the medic tried to lift him up and says "This guy weighs a ton!!". The motorcycle Arnold rode a minute later didn't have any problems with it. Good writing there lol.
it perhals could have been better if created that the T-800 endoskeleton metal was light weight and super high strength near indestructible like adamantium, and since a terminator is supposed to be able to blend in with humans it make more sense that his total bodyweight is close to that of a human or arnold himself of his height 6ft 2 so like 220-250lbs range.. even 300lbs but i beleive arnold was never that heavy.. for a terminator though it's not a stretch.. i'm not sure what kind of weight they are implying suggesting he has in the movies or novelizations?? 500lbs+???
I didn't realize it either, must be because I didn't see 3 nearly as many times as 1/2. And yeah, the strength of the terminators in the sequels is way over the top and unrealistic, one of those somewhat subtle things adding to the "I can't really pin point why the sequels suck", but now I know better
Another problem with this movie series. Is that the first one told the end of the story. The final battle between humans and machines would not be decided in the future, but here in the present. T2 as good of a movie as it was did stretch it. So anything after that is just pointless.
Yeah T2 was already past the limit that one could stretch that premise. The Terminator is a complete story on its own... T2 is great but it does break the premise slightly.
Tbh, any narrative that relies on time travel is already pretty fucked. Usually, changing the past is relegated to the action of a reboot. See Days Of Future Past. Beyond that, it usually functions in a way that the past technically isn't changed. See Avengers Endgame or Prisoner Of Azkaban. But Terminator made a big mistake by constantly fucking around with the narrative from square one.
@@InhabitantOfOddworld yeah the first movie replies on time being in a constant loop so nothing you do actually matters because it’s all predetermined. Only for 2 to say no you can change the past. 3 says certain events are destined to happen one way of another. Such changing them only delayed things
Most of the sequels just want to be T2 with Arnie being the good terminator. Just go back to the original and give us that slasher type feel to it or do the future war like T4 but with that Cameron future look which was missing in T4. T3 was 50/50 and T4 was decent. I don't care for 5 & 6. Remember the Terminator destroying an entire police station in the first one? Well, here he is in part 5 smiling with the song bad boys bad boys....eh. Arnie coming back to every Terminator movie doesn't mean anything anymore. As well as Cameron, "oh part 5 is great" and then "oh its horrible, part 6 is the good one". The guy is so busy working on Avatar sequels that nobody wants. I miss the 80s Cameron.
Skydance Media have been the major problem. They're bad stewards for the franchise and keep pushing it in a misguided and unoriginal direction, all they can do is chase trends and make nostalgia-driven movies. The Halcyon Company at least tried to explore the future war concept and try new things before they went bankrupt. At this point, they have to ditch Cameron and Arnold and completely reinvent it. There's no fixing the mess that Skydance has created, and there's no more "this is the REAL T2 sequel!" because they shamelessly played that card and squandered it too.
What if Terminator Genysis was a movie about being chased by young Arnold T-800 and a T1000 like its set up in the beginning. How scary it could have been?
I've been wanting an Avatar sequel since I saw the movie in 2010 I believe. I had so many questions. Are the humans coming back? Will there be another war? What happened after Jake became a Na"vi?
@@adventurekitty1016 So you're the one! 😉 I'm waiting for the trailer to drop for 'Avatar 2' and hope to go see it in a cinema (if it doesn't look too woke.) Cameron has delivered two of the all time best sequels (and movies) in 'Aliens' and T2 so I won't dismiss his 'Avatar' sequels out of hand yet.. 🤞
If you want a good Terminator entry past T2, look up the Terminator: Resistance game. It's a bit short, and the combat isn't as fluid as many other first person shooters of today, but it's totally worth a playthrough. I loved it.
I like in the first one when she see’s him rise after being shot with a shotgun and later when Kyle Reese tells her how he can’t be bargained with. The first two Terminators are so nostalgic for me.
I disagree. T2 is a categorically unnecessary sequel. the first movie told a complete story; a closed time loop. But almost everyone agrees that T2 is awesome.
I hate to offer any excuse for T3, but if you wanted to be generous, you could argue that maybe the T-850 was like the Windows Vista to Windows XP's T-800. So Skynet added "Enhanced Personality Subroutines" which just made the model buggy and less effective.
The Sarah Connor Chronicles had the same idea. The "Triple Eight" terminators were essentially like the T-800's physically, but they were much better at psychology and imitating humans.
Terminator Salvation had potential. They could've taken the series in a whole new direction with that movie. Shame they went back to the copy and paste formula after it.
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It's a shame, but it is true that Arnold was instrumental in ruining the franchise. Everyone's in it for the money. Considering Arnold's desire to always be the hero, and his penchant for comedy, the downfall of Terminator becomes more understandable. It doesn't help that all studios want to copy the Marvel formula in regards to its comedy, and that there just needs to be certain quotas that have to be met for PC reasons. The idea of a compelling story slowly becomes a forgone thing. The Terminator franchise truly ended with T2. They had made their own fate, a new fate in which Judgement Day was cancelled. It sucks that the episodic blockbuster is the future, if not already the present, of film. One last thing, I bet you that Arnold will reprise his role as the terminator in the next movie even after his death thanks to advancing technology.
also another thing that it did not helped T3 was him taking away over half of the budget after demanding all that ridiculous amount of money fuckig arnold is like the WORST kind of Terminator fan another reason why T4 said screw you arnold and added a CG T-800 i will always respect that about salvation it did NOT needed Arnold in it
@@GothicXlightning Yes, it is totally ridiculous how much actors can demand for their roles in a movie, and even more so how much studios are willing to give in to these demands.
Terminator Salvation is criminally underrated. It always should have been the part 3 in the franchise and focused on Kyle Reese but for once we actually got to see what happens when Skynet attack and what the human resistance is trying to achieve. Even if it has the weird forgettable Sam Worthington plot in it.
Love that. Arnie’s in an intervention and gets shown Peter Weller just chilling in a voice acting booth; Arnie finally breaks down into tears and admits he has a debilitating sequel problem
@Venny Thornton really? You have my curiosity. So in a way the game isn't "canon" to the franchise, I'm sure the name is copyright, doe he at least get royalties from sales?
The moment the appeal of the Terminator franchise centered around the star power of Schwarzenegger, it was inevitable that the franchise's popularity would fade along with Schwarzenegger's popularity. Personally, I think that the best Terminator sequels didn't involve Schwarzenegger at all: Salvation and the Sarah Connor Chronicles TV series.
Under Cameron,every move the Terminator does was carefully planned.On the sequels he simply jerks his head and body around like Robocop under directive 4.
So... Are we going to see Eddy Furlong show up in a bunch of youtube channels like Macaulay Culkin? I mean. I would love to hear him talk about working with Uwe Boll and such. I'll wait and see if he shows up in Half in the Bag.
Macaulay Culkin is weird but generally has his shit together. Edward furlong, on the other hand, is in basically Charlie Sheen territory; not going to be seeing him on RLM anytime soon.
I think there could have been a real chance to make Arnold relevant to the Terminator world in a way that isn't endlessly rehashed T-800s. There should have been a Future Movie (like T4) that introduces Arnold Schwarzenegger as a human character (let's call him Jack Miller). The entire story should've been around Jack being this incredibly badass ex-soldier who survived the initial apocalypse and, together with John Connor, established the resistance against the Machines. Connor would basically trust this guy literally because he looks exactly like the T-800 and it "has to mean" something. Long story short, Jack Miller dies heroically while dealing a crazy blow to the Machines and he becomes a sort of Proto Connor to humanity AND the machines. So them using his likeness for the T-800 model (the newest, upcoming model) would quite literally be a mockery of this man's sacrifice. One of the heroes of mankind coming back as a butcher of mankind. And obviously as a way to unnerve the steely mind of John Connor, because his best friend (who dies twice) comes back as a murder robot in the first place. And the machines would've sent back the T-800 in particular, because they're banking on the idea that it either kills Unborn Connor, or scars his mother SO much that she'd teach John to never trust a thing that looks like Jack Miller (and thus altering the course of history). And in return, Connor would send back a reprogrammed version of the T-800 to establish that trust between Jack Miller and John Connor. That way it would be a pathos-laden circle of events begetting events and the defeat of the Machines being an inevitability.
Interesting timeloop idea but this was actually a thing in the original cut of Terminator Salvation which didn't make it to the final film- after negative test-audience feedback to the interwoven man and machine angle in a workprint.
Obviously lol. One can see John Carpenter all over that movie... it's almost like a wholly original homage to him. It also solved a lot of the problems of "the supernatural killer". How does he keep getting back up after being beaten and shot? He's an android. Why does he walk slowly towards his victims, expressionless and silent? Because he's an android who is just wearing human flesh. In a sense, The Terminator is the perfect slasher movie that embraces the tropes of the genre as its core premise.
That is why it's my favorite in the series. As a kid though, while intrigued by the premises of horror movies, I would be terrified for a couple weeks after watching one, as if the villain was gonna appear in my house and grab me; so I don't think it was my favorite then, not that I didn't like it but was too busy being scared to enjoy it
My oldest daughter and her boyfriend rewrote the Dyson house scene from T2. Dyson's wife is actually the T-1000. The way they wrote the scene gives you a awesome jump scare which you don't see coming
Terminator in the Wild West. Arnold’s bad again. Sara and John go back in time to start a religion “we hate skynet” and Arnold shows up. - there Hollywood can I have a million dollars
Like most people, I didn't like Genysis (although I didn't hate it either). But one thing I did like was the reimagining of Skynet. While it was disappointing, I thought there was hope of a follow up actually being good based on the Skynet setup.
Very cathartic seeing someone dismantle T3. I'm so tired of people in recent years defending it with nostalgia bias. I too noticed the awkward Arnold performance in that movie as well as the weird framing at times, it really exposed him in a negative light. Cameron knew how to protect his actors.
They made John Connor into a bitch. Like they could've turned him into a burnout and addict, so long as he retained a sense of the rebellion of kid Connor and a spark of potential of future Resistance leader Connor, but he was just a loser drifter nobody!
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WHAT?!!!!!!? No Arnold, No Terminator!!!!! What really killed it is bad Writing and Bad Production!!!!! After Terminator Salvation, things just went South quickly and I just lost interest in the franchise!!!!!:/:/:/ Arnold had NOTHING to do with killing the Terminator Franchise!!!!!
In my opinion, the greatest part of any of the Terminator sequels after T2 was the opening scene of Genisys. It basically gave the fans what they asked, even if it was for like 5 minutes. It's too bad that everyone was so terribly miscast in Genisys. Genisys had elements I liked, but goddam did it do so many things wrong.
Sums up the decline of the series brilliantly. Really a shame they took a horror slasher turned action blockbuster... and turned it into a complete disaster...
The difference between the T-800 and the T-850 is that T-850 is an upgraded version of the T-800 that's why it is so much heavier able to survive things that would destroy a T-800 like getting hit with plasma weapons, getting put through entire buildings, and facing off against the TX a highly advanced terminator and holding its own against it for a long time. where as the T-800 struggled with Ginger's Boyfriend lol. not saying T3 didn't suck just saying they were consistent. and T3 wasn't that bad compared when compared to Terminator Genysis and Dark Fate. lol Those movies make T3 look like a masterpiece.
HISHE made a joke video about mixing Back To The Future with Terminator and I actually really like the twist in it. The twist is that Skynet send a terminator to protect the guy who discovers time travel while the humans want to kill them (or just look like that). This would make a protagonist Terminator again, but not with the same "reprogrammed" excuse. Also, it can be a T1000, which isn't as awkward as T800 but behaves the psychopath way as in T2. It can also trick the inventor into believing the humans are either terminators or just humans there to kill them, which in the first half could be untrue, but due to misunderstandings can be true later. The inventor has to deal with choosing between his own life and saving humanity later while the Terminator can develop into a different being due to T1000s being far more autonomous than any other terminators.
9:14 my theory for his hair looking like this in all of the terminator franchise is that since skynet's T800 models are created using real flesh, they probably couldn't replicate hair properly which meant that in the other movies, the hair of the T800 would get singed off when being brought back in time. It would probably be rare for a T800 to have long hair as shown in the original. Another theory to also speculate on how the T1000 and TX are able to be transported back in time without being torn apart due to the material could be due to how they are first put into a large flesh like cover that would be used to protect the terminators and would also get burnt when the terminator is then transported back in time. The reason why a T800 can grow a beard could be due to how organic the flesh is meaning that hair can still grow on the face since it's not singed off unlike the hair that is meaning that it won't grow back again as shown in dark fate and genesis.
Great video. It's pretty sad to see the deterioration of Arnold's character like this. The Terminator is one of my top 10 favorites, and T2 is a perfect sequel with a perfect ending. Would have been great if someone found away (and got the money) to just make a movie in the same universe but with completely new characters. Cameron created a great world and it has so many possibilities.
When you joke about how the T-800 and T-850 are the same, you forgot the most important (and the most stupid) thing. It has an explosive device inside of it, which of course would be used to kill the T-X at the end. Lazy writing 101. The same suggestion people always say "Why didn't they just send back a bomb?". Even John suggests it in T2 lmao.
I can appreciate what Salvation tried to do. I remember before T3 came out all I had wanted for years was a Cameron future war film. Despite it not being directed by him, I went on opening day. The second I saw the POV shot of the missile flying over fiends of green grass & trees with the sun shining overhead I was over it. I’ve always assumed that Cameron envisioned 2029 AD to be permanently dark outside due to the fallout blocking out the sun. Maybe those scenes in T1 & T2 WERE during daylight hours ya know? I don’t want a pretty summer day in my nightmarish hell of a post apocalyptic future, it’s sooo much scarier that way!
Terminator Salvation was the *only* one that at least tried to change the template and actually give the fans what they want. It was the only one that got close to being a decent T2 sequel in my opinion.
Agreed it does have the protector role but no time travel, no singular terminator sent back to hunt. No changing the future just right now in present how can we stop it. It could have probably had a very good sequel that also would give us the future war we saw in 1/2. After t3 I think many ppl were turned off, and here is the first non Arnie movie who IS the franchise and face. They could of told another movie I think and led us to beginning of t1 as a loop
Salvation wasn’t that great, but man AT LEAST it wasn’t just T2 all over again. We saw more of the future, a lot of cool Terminators, the fact that Skynet had been experimenting with humans to create Terminators that could infiltrate human hideouts and John Connor was being the hero we kept hearing about and hoping he’d be. For all its flaws, cliches and messy pacing, Salvation actually delivered on giving us something different from the franchise instead of just T2 all over again. Another good Terminator sequel of sorts is the Sarah Connor Chronicles. It does the T2 thing as well, but it being a series helped it delve into the future world a lot more, explore a John Connor growing into the hero he would become and Sarah Connor being a badass and even going through her own character arc. It was a decent show.
"John Connor growing into the hero he would become" One of things missing from T3. Nick Stahl's John Connor was just a taller T2 Connor with a little bit more cynicism. No character growth at all.
i do fucking Adore Salvation man and i also admit is not perfect, but BILLLLLLLIONS and INFINITE times better and much more faithful than the real TRASH enemy that was false T5, T6
Yes the Sarah Connor chronicles was well written and well cast for the most part . But as usual the good shows get canceled. Just shows you Tim Miller full of hot air about audience prejudice for a female leading character. If its well written with correct casting you will engage the audience. Lena Heady was great as Sarah Connor
Arnold 1989? : I take no shit from anyone Arnold 2021 : Turns out I'm really a pussy to the Hollywood SJW mob case and point Terminator Dark Fate etc etc.
The new Planet Of The Apes movies were the very few time a reboot measure up to the original. I'm not sure is the 1982 The Thing, 1983 Scarface or the multitude of A Star is Born movies counts as reboots , though.
Yeah I love those new Planet of the Apes movies... they were TOO good in fact hence why War bombed at the cinemas. Also, remakes from the 70s-80s are different compared to todays reboots. Back then it was to take an older story and update it with a new point of view... now it's "people will pay to see the new one because they remember the old one"
T2 was also a soft reboot albeit a good one. T2 ignores the time travel rules of the first one, diminishes the poetic tragicness of "history can't be changed, causal loop" of the original and cheapenes everything plot related. T1 was a complete story, T2 isn't adding anything nor could it, it is the reason 3,4,5,6 etc CAN exist. But it was a solid action with revolutionary effects, CGI ones used only when necessary.
Thank you. T1 was always my favorite and would've preferred if Arnold didn't come back unless he was the bad guy again. I thought I was the only one that thinks that T1 > T2 and villain T-800 > hero T-800.
Every Terminator movie was about arnold which led the downfall of the franchise. The first movie was NOT about him, it was about Reese and Sarah, but Arnold was the most popular charachter in the movie, so they made T-2 which WAS about him though not fully, but you start to see it in 3 5 and 6. They had to let him go and make new creative stories.
Think I'm in the minority of actually liking T3 and hated the rest of the fanfiction.. Hmm. I actually liked the Sarah Connor series. That was the epilogue of Dark Fate for me.
The Terminator cost $6.4 million, T2 cost $100 million. The largest film budget ever, at the time. Which is crazy, in itself. But the higher Arnold's star rose, and the bigger the Terminator budgets became, the more the two became inextricably linked. I really wish they hadn't spoiled T2's twist in the trailer. Objectively, the reveal is so well executed, but pretty much everyone already knew going in. Cameron must've been ripping his hair out over that marketing campaign (cool little teaser trailer notwithstanding).
The series insistence on dragging an ever aging Arnie out every time is deff holding the series back. Past part 2 it doesn't make sense to have the same Terminator skin used over and over. Feeling they have to have him say 'I'll be back'' just seems cheesy now. That and the constant repeat of the time travel story which was done after part 2 has really stagnated the franchise.
The Sarah Connor Chronicles didn't have Arnie in it, and had some great storytelling that developed the franchise in a new, interesting direction... before FOX then cancelled it. Sigh.
You know what would have been a great alternative to Arnold? The OG Terminator consideration, Lance Henriksen. The small, sneaky T-800 that can be just as creepy as the Arnold model.
We went from "I'll be back" to "Ow my back" People give Terminator salvation shit for being different as well as not including Arnold (officially). But I always like Salvation because it portrayed the early stages of the war, where the humans were still using ordinary firearms and skynet was still in it's infancy, using a combination of ordinary firearms and very few instances plasma weaponry, and early type Terminator models.
Fun fact: you said T2's John Connor was essentially Bart Simpson and the terminator in that movie was played as a sort of father figure. Well, the guy who made the latino voice of that T2's terminator is also the guy who made the Latino voice of Homer Simpsons: Humberto Velez. So there is a weird connection going on here 🤔
In reality the T-800's did not all look as the same person. This was shown during Kyle Reese's flashback of the future where a T-800 clearly not being portrayed by Arnold attacked the hidden base and his picture of Sarah Connor got burned in the process. Its also for this reason why Kyle had to shadow Sarah waiting for the Terminator to make its move to figure out who was the terminator. While they did come off an assembly line they did not make their human disguise the same as that would be very stupid. The humans would not even need dogs to detect terminators if they all looked like the same man. While they may have made some look like that I know there was no way they made all the T-800's use the same human disguise.
Terminator Salvation was the only post T2 sequel to do something new and original. But no everyone bitched and complained and we got two of the worst Terminator films ever.
Honestly, I really dug Salvation, I thought it was a cool look into the future war against the machines, and I really wish they kept giving us more future war movies. Also I didn't hate Dark Fate, it was certainly better than Genesis and I appreciate them having the balls to kill off kid John Connor. The only thing I absolutely hated about that movie was the new Terminator they sent back, just felt like it was the weakest of the bunch and yet completely overpowered. Like c'mon, even the T-1000 wasn't indestructible and yet it still felt more like a threat than this mitosizing snoozer.
It all boils down to publishers being completely unwilling to take any risks at all, especially avoiding low budget risky titles. They would rather have cookie cutter rehash directors like JJ Abrams that will shovel out high grossing garbage.
With Terminator Salvation, they had the brilliant idea to set the movie in the future and follow John Connor and the rebellion. Unfortunately it was such a terrible movie, it killed the planned sequels and convinced the producer to stick to the "Arnold in the present" formula. McG is the real villain :D
I think you're giving McG way too much credit here. Hiring on a director whose only directing credits at the time were "We Are Marshall" and both Charlie's Angels films? For a TERMINATOR movie? Solid work there, nameless Hollywood execs. He also didn't write the script or have sole control over what ended up on the cutting room floor.
I had tears coming out of my eyes because I was laughing so hard at the Genisys comedy reel. I couldn't agree more with everything you've said here. After T2 it all went downhill.
I didn't mind that much the Terminators from 3 forward having some personality or growing into a person, because it was kind of established in T2 that if you actually socialized them they could change, the extended cut even confirms that they have to be blocked from learning by Skynet or they can just learn to like humans. And the T-1000 was already established in the lore as being so advanced that it scared Skynet, being probably too close to the capabilities of Skynet itself.
Terminator Salvation had a good concept, Bale was good in the role. The special effects were great but again the story and miscasting was the reason for its failure.
@@IdealUser had such high hopes for it bc Bale was the star attached to that project. Ah it could have resurrected the franxhise had they only had a better story.
I know now why they call it a franchise. But it is something I can never do. The first one was a surprise hit. The second one is arguably the finest action film ever made. And then James Cameron moved on.
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You may not care, but my opinion Schwarzenneger's fame didn't kill franchise.
There was no franchise in the first place.
There were just two movies- a very solid sci-fi horror, and a very solid sci-fi action film. Both had believable characters that developed in believable way, good acting, solid scenario, and, what is often forgotten, were realistic in therms of physics (except for time travel).
Terminator 3 started a series of films that completely ignored physics, character development, and had illogical scenarios. These were simply very bad movies written by people with brains of 10 years olds. There is no need to blame an actor here. Even if Schwarzenneger was never to play terminator after T2, there is no reason to believe these movies wouldn't make the same mistakes. Terminator was bound to go downhill past the 80s when computer development went a very different (and in ways slower) path than anticipated. From today's perspecitve even T1 loses a lot, but this doesn't mean that lots of mistakes that T3 and other movies made, couldn't have been avoided. And look at your's criticism as well; most of the time you're actually complaining about scenario, ill character development, mood, and lack respect for physics. Most of these things have nothing to do with Arnold, and to be fair, his somewhat ill performance in T3 fits the film since its only tolerable as a parody.
Tom Hardy replaces Mel Gibson in Mad Max Fury Road and it becomes the highest grossing of the franchise and bags a load of Oscar nominations. JJ Abrams recast the original Star Trek cast in the 2009 reboot and that becomes the highest grossing film of the franchise. So who says another actor can't play the terminator!
Terminator a program killer cyborg who doesn't know how to fight and must use a gun to kill
@@SparrowNoblePoland You no longer need Schwarzenegger as the terminator
13:02 is hilarious
Cameron knows how to kill a franchise; just make a film so great that no other filmmakers can ever top it
Even the creator of the series can't top it! (Ridley Scott, and to an extent Cameron himself).
@@DinoDave150 Scott is a hack, always has been.
@@dimsumboy22 I'll go butter up my popcorns and wait here
Thats a stupid statement.
Cameron made the original and top it with the sequel.
He didnt kill the franchise
@@dvader3000 r/whooooosh
I always wanted to see a movie based on the future wars done well but everyone wants the same T2 formula for every movie for some reason.
i want a de aged michael biehn movie in the future war prequel so bad but i want it done with love of the first two movies i dont want it to be bad :/
Salvation?
@@matpizzato Done well? Plus, while I think Salvation was bad I still wish those other 2 moves were made.
Dark Fate pissed me off for this reason. They touted it as this reboot and how none of the sequels after 2 were canon yet proceeded to make the EXACT same mistakes those movies did and again remade the second movie.
I honestly dont understand why people keep wanting it.
Eddie will always be John Connor. I liked his cameo. Hope he’s doing alright.
lol he looks like shit now
If you look up the definition of the term drug-fucked his picture is right there. It is a shame. I thought after American History X his career would keep going from strength to strength
Yep his life might have gone different had he not been taken advantage of by a lady years older than him for personal gain
@@burntgrahamcracker2866 oh shit, I had no idea. I thought it was the usual tale of Hollywood excess derailing a promising career
@@unstoppableExodia yeah he was 15 and she was 28 and used to be his tutor
Arnold’s ego got the best of him. I remembered when he charged so much just to voice a couple lines in a movie. The directors then switched up and asked Sylvester Stallone took the role and voiced the lines and he did it.. FOR FREE. Love you Sylvester Stallone, what a humble man.
I usually hate that Salvation is not much talked about but here I welcome it.
I actually want to make a video just dedicated to salvation down the track. I have a fair share of positives for that film.
@@cordzfx
Awesome! This film deserves more love despite the highly intelligent Skynet being a Bond villain. Why even show Skynet?
Yea salvation is good for the fact it isn’t the over used protector terminator Arnold
@@cordzfx IMO, Salvation had some great potential. A few gripes would be the A-10’s that the resistance flew and the daylight activities, just to name a few.
It was good cuz it was actually different from all the other terminator movies .
Personally I hated it the first time I saw it cuz I was expecting Black Hawk Down with terminators . But watching it again especially directors cut , I appreciate it now .
I always found it annoying how Arnie's Terminator in the first movie only wore sunglasses in the first movie out of necessity to cover up his damaged/exposed eye and then he ended becoming obsessed with them in the sequels.
thats a great call. t2 is so damn good i excuse it but the rest is just silly. like a dope band playin vegas after their prime
Oh no, he looks so sad filming cameos in his car. You need a second channel named CordairyFX.
I'll be...BACK
No seriously. I'll be back in the next one.
Only, if there's a ton of cash for you.
kyle Reese Shotgun blasting Arnold's face is what it is to truly Be BACK
Despite what a lot of people say i really like The Last Action Hero.
@@anubusx You, my friend. Have awful taste in films. That movie was a giant turd. Smelly too...
@@amberlopez7477 Nah, Last Action Hero was a good film. It was just marketed wrong. People went in expecting it to be an action film, not the silly parody it actually was.
I love how Arnold basically just kept coming back for the cash and everyone acts like he did it for the love of the series. Even people in this comment section are like "Arnold holds this franchise together" 🙄😑
He is a very good example of how most people believe they know celebrities like their dearest friends.
@@Jarejander69 it's honestly embarrassing
Whatever helps them cope
@@Jarejander69 Yep
@@shawklan27 Very
I personally think that some old movies are legendary + shouldn't have a remake...
😌
Producers just want the cash the originals made to their makers
Movies should remain a product of their specific time and place, and should stay there. Revisiting them never works out well.
i agree
T1 and T2 , Period.
like Alien and Aliens, Period.
Poor Edward, filming Cameo’s in his car. Feel so bad for the guy.
Yeah i wish he would have a big comebsck.
Yeah, it's kinda heartbreaking to see a celebrity in such a state. We are too used to glamour and success that we forget that less fortunate exsist
Why? Its honest money. Hes not stealing or dealing. I dislike this new tendency to shit on peoole making money online. If its legal go for it.
@@BarraLibre Are you alright in the head? Who do you even reply to? I don't see anyone "shiting on him" here in this thread. The only one shitting is you, yourself, here
The T-800 getting old fits with everything they set up in the original films. Turning it into a pussy fits with what's going on in the real world.
Huh I never noticed the subtle differences in Arnold's movements as the Terminator from 1/2 to 3 but I can totally see it now.
I did notice the difference in weight and strength from 1/2 to 3 and that always bugged me.
Oh you forgot the scene in 3 when the medic tried to lift him up and says "This guy weighs a ton!!". The motorcycle Arnold rode a minute later didn't have any problems with it. Good writing there lol.
it perhals could have been better if created that the T-800 endoskeleton metal was light weight and super high strength near indestructible like adamantium, and since a terminator is supposed to be able to blend in with humans it make more sense that his total bodyweight is close to that of a human or arnold himself of his height 6ft 2 so like 220-250lbs range.. even 300lbs but i beleive arnold was never that heavy.. for a terminator though it's not a stretch.. i'm not sure what kind of weight they are implying suggesting he has in the movies or novelizations?? 500lbs+???
That could easily be explained away as the difference between a T-800 (1 & 2) and a T-850 (T3).
Really? I noticed that immediately, and it was so jarring. He went from this cold, efficient, stoic killing machine to herky jerky, and I hated it.
I didn't realize it either, must be because I didn't see 3 nearly as many times as 1/2. And yeah, the strength of the terminators in the sequels is way over the top and unrealistic, one of those somewhat subtle things adding to the "I can't really pin point why the sequels suck", but now I know better
Another problem with this movie series. Is that the first one told the end of the story. The final battle between humans and machines would not be decided in the future, but here in the present. T2 as good of a movie as it was did stretch it. So anything after that is just pointless.
Yeah T2 was already past the limit that one could stretch that premise. The Terminator is a complete story on its own... T2 is great but it does break the premise slightly.
Tbh, any narrative that relies on time travel is already pretty fucked.
Usually, changing the past is relegated to the action of a reboot. See Days Of Future Past.
Beyond that, it usually functions in a way that the past technically isn't changed. See Avengers Endgame or Prisoner Of Azkaban.
But Terminator made a big mistake by constantly fucking around with the narrative from square one.
@@InhabitantOfOddworld yeah the first movie replies on time being in a constant loop so nothing you do actually matters because it’s all predetermined.
Only for 2 to say no you can change the past.
3 says certain events are destined to happen one way of another. Such changing them only delayed things
Most of the sequels just want to be T2 with Arnie being the good terminator. Just go back to the original and give us that slasher type feel to it or do the future war like T4 but with that Cameron future look which was missing in T4.
T3 was 50/50 and T4 was decent. I don't care for 5 & 6. Remember the Terminator destroying an entire police station in the first one? Well, here he is in part 5 smiling with the song bad boys bad boys....eh. Arnie coming back to every Terminator movie doesn't mean anything anymore. As well as Cameron, "oh part 5 is great" and then "oh its horrible, part 6 is the good one". The guy is so busy working on Avatar sequels that nobody wants. I miss the 80s Cameron.
Skydance Media have been the major problem. They're bad stewards for the franchise and keep pushing it in a misguided and unoriginal direction, all they can do is chase trends and make nostalgia-driven movies. The Halcyon Company at least tried to explore the future war concept and try new things before they went bankrupt. At this point, they have to ditch Cameron and Arnold and completely reinvent it. There's no fixing the mess that Skydance has created, and there's no more "this is the REAL T2 sequel!" because they shamelessly played that card and squandered it too.
@@NitroNEXT I'm really tired of hearing "this is the true sequel" like Halloween 2018. It was just ok, H2 will always be the true sequel.
What if Terminator Genysis was a movie about being chased by young Arnold T-800 and a T1000 like its set up in the beginning. How scary it could have been?
I've been wanting an Avatar sequel since I saw the movie in 2010 I believe. I had so many questions. Are the humans coming back? Will there be another war? What happened after Jake became a Na"vi?
@@adventurekitty1016
So you're the one! 😉
I'm waiting for the trailer to drop for 'Avatar 2' and hope to go see it in a cinema (if it doesn't look too woke.)
Cameron has delivered two of the all time best sequels (and movies) in 'Aliens' and T2 so I won't dismiss his 'Avatar' sequels out of hand yet.. 🤞
That japanese commercial was a new experience for me. Wtf did i just witness? Great video as always!
@Timothy Nordgren Arnold did several of them in the late 80s. You can find them here on youtube.
Reminded me of Ichiban: Lipstick for Men
What Japanese commercial?
Never mind....I.... I saw it.....idk what to do
Very, Mr Freeze esque...
If you want a good Terminator entry past T2, look up the Terminator: Resistance game. It's a bit short, and the combat isn't as fluid as many other first person shooters of today, but it's totally worth a playthrough. I loved it.
i really enjoyed it. always felt outmatched by the machines
The Sarah Connor Chronicles was a phenomenal addition to the Terminator franchise but it was killed off before it could build a solid audience.
Man it was sad seeing Edward Furlong in this video.
I like in the first one when she see’s him rise after being shot with a shotgun and later when Kyle Reese tells her how he can’t be bargained with. The first two Terminators are so nostalgic for me.
Because they're actually good movies. They don't need references and context to be understood, you just put it on and it's awesome to watch.
I gave up watching Terminator movies after the Christian Bale one.
It was worth it for his rant.
I stopped after T2 to save myself from the pain.
salvation was good but i stopped watching after genisys
I guess that's a good thing, as 5 and 6 can totally be skipped
I'd say endless unnecessary sequels killed the franchise.
I disagree. T2 is a categorically unnecessary sequel. the first movie told a complete story; a closed time loop. But almost everyone agrees that T2 is awesome.
@@trequor Good point. The 1984 movie was allegedly based off an episode from the old Outer Limits.
I hate to offer any excuse for T3, but if you wanted to be generous, you could argue that maybe the T-850 was like the Windows Vista to Windows XP's T-800.
So Skynet added "Enhanced Personality Subroutines" which just made the model buggy and less effective.
He could lie too.
Arnold: *I LIED*
Never thought of it like that, but it's a pretty good analogy. Like the Atari 5200 to the more successful 2600.
The Sarah Connor Chronicles had the same idea. The "Triple Eight" terminators were essentially like the T-800's physically, but they were much better at psychology and imitating humans.
Terminator Salvation had potential. They could've taken the series in a whole new direction with that movie. Shame they went back to the copy and paste formula after it.
Yes yes, we can't upset the fans. Hello Star Wars, Star Trek, Dune, Matrix, Alien, LOTR / Tolkin, Predator, Starship Troopers, Robocop, Batman, Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters, X men, Fantastic Four, The Hulk, Hellboy, Conan the Barbarian, Rocky, James Bond, Pirates of the Caribbean, Mulan, The Lion King and the last 20 years.
It's a shame, but it is true that Arnold was instrumental in ruining the franchise. Everyone's in it for the money. Considering Arnold's desire to always be the hero, and his penchant for comedy, the downfall of Terminator becomes more understandable. It doesn't help that all studios want to copy the Marvel formula in regards to its comedy, and that there just needs to be certain quotas that have to be met for PC reasons. The idea of a compelling story slowly becomes a forgone thing.
The Terminator franchise truly ended with T2. They had made their own fate, a new fate in which Judgement Day was cancelled. It sucks that the episodic blockbuster is the future, if not already the present, of film. One last thing, I bet you that Arnold will reprise his role as the terminator in the next movie even after his death thanks to advancing technology.
I hate that Marvel smug wink at the camera humour. They might as well just suck their own dick on camera.
also another thing that it did not helped T3 was him taking away over half of the budget after demanding all that ridiculous amount of money
fuckig arnold is like the WORST kind of Terminator fan
another reason why T4 said screw you arnold and added a CG T-800
i will always respect that about salvation
it did NOT needed Arnold in it
@@GothicXlightning Yes, it is totally ridiculous how much actors can demand for their roles in a movie, and even more so how much studios are willing to give in to these demands.
Then he'll _really_ be a machine!
I had hope for Terminator Salvation but then it didn’t feel like the future scenes in T1 or T2. Not even close.
That was problem with it. Blue isn't tan.
It went in a completely different direction.
Salvation seemed like it was more inspired by Mad Max than the Terminator series.
Salvation wasnt the same thing as the flashbacks. It was earlier in the war.. Weird choice. BUT they did make T-800 a cunning killer again.
@@daveruda Was he really cunning though? The T--800 repeatedly threw Connor across the room when he could've just ripped his heart out.
The thing that destroyed the Terminator franchise is what is destroying all of Hollywood; pure, unadulterated greed.
I always loved when Arnold would say “Uzi 9 millimeter”. I don’t know why. Austrian accent probably.
"Oozie nein-mylymeetah!?"
Terminator Salvation is criminally underrated. It always should have been the part 3 in the franchise and focused on Kyle Reese but for once we actually got to see what happens when Skynet attack and what the human resistance is trying to achieve. Even if it has the weird forgettable Sam Worthington plot in it.
Even Peter Weller knew when to stop.
Love that. Arnie’s in an intervention and gets shown Peter Weller just chilling in a voice acting booth; Arnie finally breaks down into tears and admits he has a debilitating sequel problem
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He went from "I'll be back" to "OWWW, MY BACK!"
@Venny Thornton really?
You have my curiosity.
So in a way the game isn't "canon" to the franchise, I'm sure the name is copyright, doe he at least get royalties from sales?
The moment the appeal of the Terminator franchise centered around the star power of Schwarzenegger, it was inevitable that the franchise's popularity would fade along with Schwarzenegger's popularity. Personally, I think that the best Terminator sequels didn't involve Schwarzenegger at all: Salvation and the Sarah Connor Chronicles TV series.
I could never move on from Sarah Connor Chronicles
@@baabaaerIt’s a shame it got cancelled
Under Cameron,every move the Terminator does was carefully planned.On the sequels he simply jerks his head and body around like Robocop under directive 4.
in my head that japanese commercial is canon, they reprogrammed the terminator to make tv ads in tokyo
So... Are we going to see Eddy Furlong show up in a bunch of youtube channels like Macaulay Culkin?
I mean. I would love to hear him talk about working with Uwe Boll and such. I'll wait and see if he shows up in Half in the Bag.
Macaulay Culkin is weird but generally has his shit together. Edward furlong, on the other hand, is in basically Charlie Sheen territory; not going to be seeing him on RLM anytime soon.
I think there could have been a real chance to make Arnold relevant to the Terminator world in a way that isn't endlessly rehashed T-800s.
There should have been a Future Movie (like T4) that introduces Arnold Schwarzenegger as a human character (let's call him Jack Miller). The entire story should've been around Jack being this incredibly badass ex-soldier who survived the initial apocalypse and, together with John Connor, established the resistance against the Machines. Connor would basically trust this guy literally because he looks exactly like the T-800 and it "has to mean" something. Long story short, Jack Miller dies heroically while dealing a crazy blow to the Machines and he becomes a sort of Proto Connor to humanity AND the machines. So them using his likeness for the T-800 model (the newest, upcoming model) would quite literally be a mockery of this man's sacrifice. One of the heroes of mankind coming back as a butcher of mankind. And obviously as a way to unnerve the steely mind of John Connor, because his best friend (who dies twice) comes back as a murder robot in the first place. And the machines would've sent back the T-800 in particular, because they're banking on the idea that it either kills Unborn Connor, or scars his mother SO much that she'd teach John to never trust a thing that looks like Jack Miller (and thus altering the course of history). And in return, Connor would send back a reprogrammed version of the T-800 to establish that trust between Jack Miller and John Connor.
That way it would be a pathos-laden circle of events begetting events and the defeat of the Machines being an inevitability.
Interesting timeloop idea but this was actually a thing in the original cut of Terminator Salvation which didn't make it to the final film- after negative test-audience feedback to the interwoven man and machine angle in a workprint.
That's such a cool idea god damn.
OnlyRoke Damn. That's way more genius than anything post T2.
The first “The Terminator” film was a freakin’ slasher. Debate me.
We can't debate with facts. That's what made T1 so great, essentially a horror movie with bits of sci-fi through out.
Obviously lol. One can see John Carpenter all over that movie... it's almost like a wholly original homage to him. It also solved a lot of the problems of "the supernatural killer". How does he keep getting back up after being beaten and shot? He's an android. Why does he walk slowly towards his victims, expressionless and silent? Because he's an android who is just wearing human flesh. In a sense, The Terminator is the perfect slasher movie that embraces the tropes of the genre as its core premise.
That is why it's my favorite in the series. As a kid though, while intrigued by the premises of horror movies, I would be terrified for a couple weeks after watching one, as if the villain was gonna appear in my house and grab me; so I don't think it was my favorite then, not that I didn't like it but was too busy being scared to enjoy it
My fiance and I both agree that Brad Fidel made a scifi horror soundtrack with synth and sledgehammers hit against cast iron and did it beautifully
T1 definitely has horror movie vibes with a pinch of Sci-Fi action. = CLASSIC
My oldest daughter and her boyfriend rewrote the Dyson house scene from T2. Dyson's wife is actually the T-1000. The way they wrote the scene gives you a awesome jump scare which you don't see coming
Terminator in the Wild West. Arnold’s bad again. Sara and John go back in time to start a religion “we hate skynet” and Arnold shows up. - there Hollywood can I have a million dollars
Will you take an ice cream 🍨 instead?
@@TheDevilmayfart nah maybe a new car
@@thewickedwanderer ok here you go 🚗 enjoy and don't forget to wear your seatbelt
@@TheDevilmayfart oh thanks!
Terminator v T-Rex: Dawn of Jurassic World: The Lost World: The Reckoning: Rise of the DinoBots 3D 8K HFR HDR ATMOS
The state of that poor John Conner kid is sadddddddd...
Drugs don't do them lol
Damn, I never noticed the T1000 and Terminator never spoke to each other in T2. Just blew my mind lol. Great video man
They did over the phone when the T800 was impersonating Connor and the T1000 was impersonating his foster mother.
@@coreygraham860 Damn the 1 time they speak to each other they don't even use their actual default voices.
We need you back Cordz, we need your 10/10 amazing content!
Terminator: Genysis humor is terrible, but it’s about as bad as your average Marvel movie.
Like most people, I didn't like Genysis (although I didn't hate it either). But one thing I did like was the reimagining of Skynet. While it was disappointing, I thought there was hope of a follow up actually being good based on the Skynet setup.
So basically, right up my alley
Except it's not nearly as smart or well written... which is REALLY saying something!
Hell give Marvel more credit than that
I did not even read it as a attempt at humour. Maybe it was for the better... >_>
Very cathartic seeing someone dismantle T3. I'm so tired of people in recent years defending it with nostalgia bias. I too noticed the awkward Arnold performance in that movie as well as the weird framing at times, it really exposed him in a negative light. Cameron knew how to protect his actors.
They made John Connor into a bitch. Like they could've turned him into a burnout and addict, so long as he retained a sense of the rebellion of kid Connor and a spark of potential of future Resistance leader Connor, but he was just a loser drifter nobody!
Cords, you've mentioned that the channel ain't doing so well, try doing more community posts. TheSpiffingBrit has a video on breaking youtube, and in it he discusses how to use community tabs to reach more people than just your target audience, which leads to channel growth
WHAT?!!!!!!? No Arnold, No Terminator!!!!!
What really killed it is bad Writing and Bad Production!!!!!
After Terminator Salvation, things just went South quickly and I just lost interest in the franchise!!!!!:/:/:/
Arnold had NOTHING to do with killing the Terminator Franchise!!!!!
What killed the franchise was crap scripts woke directors and dark fate which was just pure shit water
Thoughts on the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 It's not as good as it could of been
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Shouldn't have been canceled! The actors were great in that show; loved them all.
@@joshuaewalker Excatly.
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I swear every show with Summer Glau in it is like my favorite show and then it gets canceled. That girl can't catch a break.
More like how Terminator's Fame killed the Schwarzenegger Franchise
In my opinion, the greatest part of any of the Terminator sequels after T2 was the opening scene of Genisys. It basically gave the fans what they asked, even if it was for like 5 minutes. It's too bad that everyone was so terribly miscast in Genisys. Genisys had elements I liked, but goddam did it do so many things wrong.
But that recast Sarah Conner's ass doe
That ad at 4:40 is hilarious. Arnold laughing like that sounds like an out take from Total Recall.
Sums up the decline of the series brilliantly. Really a shame they took a horror slasher turned action blockbuster... and turned it into a complete disaster...
The difference between the T-800 and the T-850 is that T-850 is an upgraded version of the T-800 that's why it is so much heavier able to survive things that would destroy a T-800 like getting hit with plasma weapons, getting put through entire buildings, and facing off against the TX a highly advanced terminator and holding its own against it for a long time. where as the T-800 struggled with Ginger's Boyfriend lol.
not saying T3 didn't suck just saying they were consistent. and T3 wasn't that bad compared when compared to Terminator Genysis and Dark Fate. lol Those movies make T3 look like a masterpiece.
Arnold in Japanese commercials is the best thing ever 😂
Brilliant video! Got the notification over 7 hours ago when it premiered. First thing I watched when I got a chance to get on TH-cam.
Congrats on the Edward Furlong shoutout, that's awesome!
You find the most random clips and ads I love them so much. That Arnold Japanese ad killed me
Why do most terminator reviews forget about Sarah Connor Chronicles? It was the perfect continuation from Terminator 2.
Ikr?
HISHE made a joke video about mixing Back To The Future with Terminator and I actually really like the twist in it. The twist is that Skynet send a terminator to protect the guy who discovers time travel while the humans want to kill them (or just look like that). This would make a protagonist Terminator again, but not with the same "reprogrammed" excuse. Also, it can be a T1000, which isn't as awkward as T800 but behaves the psychopath way as in T2. It can also trick the inventor into believing the humans are either terminators or just humans there to kill them, which in the first half could be untrue, but due to misunderstandings can be true later. The inventor has to deal with choosing between his own life and saving humanity later while the Terminator can develop into a different being due to T1000s being far more autonomous than any other terminators.
Honestly i think the terminator franchise just needs to die if the best they can do after T2 is dark fate
Yep.
Its sad becuase this universe can tell interesting stories but how far can you go for this concept?
9:14 my theory for his hair looking like this in all of the terminator franchise is that since skynet's T800 models are created using real flesh, they probably couldn't replicate hair properly which meant that in the other movies, the hair of the T800 would get singed off when being brought back in time. It would probably be rare for a T800 to have long hair as shown in the original. Another theory to also speculate on how the T1000 and TX are able to be transported back in time without being torn apart due to the material could be due to how they are first put into a large flesh like cover that would be used to protect the terminators and would also get burnt when the terminator is then transported back in time. The reason why a T800 can grow a beard could be due to how organic the flesh is meaning that hair can still grow on the face since it's not singed off unlike the hair that is meaning that it won't grow back again as shown in dark fate and genesis.
Great video. It's pretty sad to see the deterioration of Arnold's character like this. The Terminator is one of my top 10 favorites, and T2 is a perfect sequel with a perfect ending. Would have been great if someone found away (and got the money) to just make a movie in the same universe but with completely new characters. Cameron created a great world and it has so many possibilities.
“Just remember…there’s no fate, but what we make, Sucka!!” - The Legendary Eddie Furlong
When you joke about how the T-800 and T-850 are the same, you forgot the most important (and the most stupid) thing. It has an explosive device inside of it, which of course would be used to kill the T-X at the end. Lazy writing 101. The same suggestion people always say "Why didn't they just send back a bomb?". Even John suggests it in T2 lmao.
I hope your channel isn't dead. you give top class video reviews!
Blame Stallone for demanding 12m for Over The Top.
They pretty much priced themselves out of the market in the end.
Can’t tell you how refreshing it is to see you post a video essay
I can appreciate what Salvation tried to do. I remember before T3 came out all I had wanted for years was a Cameron future war film. Despite it not being directed by him, I went on opening day. The second I saw the POV shot of the missile flying over fiends of green grass & trees with the sun shining overhead I was over it. I’ve always assumed that Cameron envisioned 2029 AD to be permanently dark outside due to the fallout blocking out the sun. Maybe those scenes in T1 & T2 WERE during daylight hours ya know? I don’t want a pretty summer day in my nightmarish hell of a post apocalyptic future, it’s sooo much scarier that way!
My man where you been ?! Missed these videos
There is only one masterpiece that will stand the test of time: "The Terminator" (1984) directed by James Cameron.
Terminator Salvation was the *only* one that at least tried to change the template and actually give the fans what they want. It was the only one that got close to being a decent T2 sequel in my opinion.
Agreed it does have the protector role but no time travel, no singular terminator sent back to hunt. No changing the future just right now in present how can we stop it. It could have probably had a very good sequel that also would give us the future war we saw in 1/2. After t3 I think many ppl were turned off, and here is the first non Arnie movie who IS the franchise and face. They could of told another movie I think and led us to beginning of t1 as a loop
Salvation wasn’t that great, but man AT LEAST it wasn’t just T2 all over again. We saw more of the future, a lot of cool Terminators, the fact that Skynet had been experimenting with humans to create Terminators that could infiltrate human hideouts and John Connor was being the hero we kept hearing about and hoping he’d be. For all its flaws, cliches and messy pacing, Salvation actually delivered on giving us something different from the franchise instead of just T2 all over again. Another good Terminator sequel of sorts is the Sarah Connor Chronicles. It does the T2 thing as well, but it being a series helped it delve into the future world a lot more, explore a John Connor growing into the hero he would become and Sarah Connor being a badass and even going through her own character arc. It was a decent show.
"John Connor growing into the hero he would become"
One of things missing from T3. Nick Stahl's John Connor was just a taller T2 Connor with a little bit more cynicism. No character growth at all.
i do fucking Adore Salvation man
and i also admit is not perfect, but BILLLLLLLIONS and INFINITE times better and much more faithful than the real TRASH enemy that was false T5, T6
Yes the Sarah Connor chronicles was well written and well cast for the most part . But as usual the good shows get canceled. Just shows you Tim Miller full of hot air about audience prejudice for a female leading character. If its well written with correct casting you will engage the audience. Lena Heady was great as Sarah Connor
Arnold 1989? : I take no shit from anyone
Arnold 2021 : Turns out I'm really a pussy to the Hollywood SJW mob case and point Terminator Dark Fate etc etc.
The new Planet Of The Apes movies were the very few time a reboot measure up to the original. I'm not sure is the 1982 The Thing, 1983 Scarface or the multitude of A Star is Born movies counts as reboots , though.
Yeah I love those new Planet of the Apes movies... they were TOO good in fact hence why War bombed at the cinemas. Also, remakes from the 70s-80s are different compared to todays reboots. Back then it was to take an older story and update it with a new point of view... now it's "people will pay to see the new one because they remember the old one"
T2 was also a soft reboot albeit a good one. T2 ignores the time travel rules of the first one, diminishes the poetic tragicness of "history can't be changed, causal loop" of the original and cheapenes everything plot related. T1 was a complete story, T2 isn't adding anything nor could it, it is the reason 3,4,5,6 etc CAN exist. But it was a solid action with revolutionary effects, CGI ones used only when necessary.
Thank you. T1 was always my favorite and would've preferred if Arnold didn't come back unless he was the bad guy again. I thought I was the only one that thinks that T1 > T2 and villain T-800 > hero T-800.
Every Terminator movie was about arnold which led the downfall of the franchise.
The first movie was NOT about him, it was about Reese and Sarah, but Arnold was the most popular charachter in the movie, so they made T-2 which WAS about him though not fully, but you start to see it in 3 5 and 6. They had to let him go and make new creative stories.
Think I'm in the minority of actually liking T3 and hated the rest of the fanfiction.. Hmm.
I actually liked the Sarah Connor series. That was the epilogue of Dark Fate for me.
The TV show was honestly great since it wasn't weighed down by Arnold's presence, and they could explore more lore.
The Terminator cost $6.4 million, T2 cost $100 million. The largest film budget ever, at the time. Which is crazy, in itself. But the higher Arnold's star rose, and the bigger the Terminator budgets became, the more the two became inextricably linked. I really wish they hadn't spoiled T2's twist in the trailer. Objectively, the reveal is so well executed, but pretty much everyone already knew going in. Cameron must've been ripping his hair out over that marketing campaign (cool little teaser trailer notwithstanding).
The series insistence on dragging an ever aging Arnie out every time is deff holding the series back. Past part 2 it doesn't make sense to have the same Terminator skin used over and over. Feeling they have to have him say 'I'll be back'' just seems cheesy now. That and the constant repeat of the time travel story which was done after part 2 has really stagnated the franchise.
Does anyone know where “that I’m a stud” clip comes from?
The Sarah Connor Chronicles didn't have Arnie in it, and had some great storytelling that developed the franchise in a new, interesting direction... before FOX then cancelled it. Sigh.
Heck Terminator DF took some elements from the show
@@supoa9489 1 of the producers also worked on both the show and the movie
That Arnie impression had me dying in the beginning
"We can't make a FULL reboot cause that'll piss off the fanbase"
*laughs in Godzilla movie franchise*
You know what would have been a great alternative to Arnold?
The OG Terminator consideration, Lance Henriksen. The small, sneaky T-800 that can be just as creepy as the Arnold model.
We went from "I'll be back" to "Ow my back"
People give Terminator salvation shit for being different as well as not including Arnold (officially). But I always like Salvation because it portrayed the early stages of the war, where the humans were still using ordinary firearms and skynet was still in it's infancy, using a combination of ordinary firearms and very few instances plasma weaponry, and early type Terminator models.
Arnie's fame didn't ruin the franchise. Piss pour scriptwriting did...
“There’s no fate but what we make, suckaaaa”
Fav terminator quote
That Ramen commercial was bit disturbing 🤣
Fun fact: you said T2's John Connor was essentially Bart Simpson and the terminator in that movie was played as a sort of father figure. Well, the guy who made the latino voice of that T2's terminator is also the guy who made the Latino voice of Homer Simpsons: Humberto Velez. So there is a weird connection going on here 🤔
lol, I can't unsee this...imagining Bart Simpson teaching the Terminator to "Don't have a cow man", "Eat my shorts" etc..
In reality the T-800's did not all look as the same person. This was shown during Kyle Reese's flashback of the future where a T-800 clearly not being portrayed by Arnold attacked the hidden base and his picture of Sarah Connor got burned in the process. Its also for this reason why Kyle had to shadow Sarah waiting for the Terminator to make its move to figure out who was the terminator.
While they did come off an assembly line they did not make their human disguise the same as that would be very stupid. The humans would not even need dogs to detect terminators if they all looked like the same man. While they may have made some look like that I know there was no way they made all the T-800's use the same human disguise.
Terminator Salvation was the only post T2 sequel to do something new and original. But no everyone bitched and complained and we got two of the worst Terminator films ever.
Wait,E.Furlong gave you a shoutout???
Fkin cool
Honestly, I really dug Salvation, I thought it was a cool look into the future war against the machines, and I really wish they kept giving us more future war movies. Also I didn't hate Dark Fate, it was certainly better than Genesis and I appreciate them having the balls to kill off kid John Connor. The only thing I absolutely hated about that movie was the new Terminator they sent back, just felt like it was the weakest of the bunch and yet completely overpowered. Like c'mon, even the T-1000 wasn't indestructible and yet it still felt more like a threat than this mitosizing snoozer.
It all boils down to publishers being completely unwilling to take any risks at all, especially avoiding low budget risky titles. They would rather have cookie cutter rehash directors like JJ Abrams that will shovel out high grossing garbage.
With Terminator Salvation, they had the brilliant idea to set the movie in the future and follow John Connor and the rebellion. Unfortunately it was such a terrible movie, it killed the planned sequels and convinced the producer to stick to the "Arnold in the present" formula. McG is the real villain :D
I think you're giving McG way too much credit here. Hiring on a director whose only directing credits at the time were "We Are Marshall" and both Charlie's Angels films? For a TERMINATOR movie? Solid work there, nameless Hollywood execs. He also didn't write the script or have sole control over what ended up on the cutting room floor.
I had tears coming out of my eyes because I was laughing so hard at the Genisys comedy reel. I couldn't agree more with everything you've said here. After T2 it all went downhill.
I didn't mind that much the Terminators from 3 forward having some personality or growing into a person, because it was kind of established in T2 that if you actually socialized them they could change, the extended cut even confirms that they have to be blocked from learning by Skynet or they can just learn to like humans. And the T-1000 was already established in the lore as being so advanced that it scared Skynet, being probably too close to the capabilities of Skynet itself.
Terminator Salvation had a good concept, Bale was good in the role. The special effects were great but again the story and miscasting was the reason for its failure.
Like someone else said, parts of it felt like a Transformer/Mad Max movie instead of the T2 version of the future we know.
@@IdealUser had such high hopes for it bc Bale was the star attached to that project. Ah it could have resurrected the franxhise had they only had a better story.
@@jsavak99 It's still my favorite out of the post-T2 sequels. Focusing on the Future War is the right direction.
I know now why they call it a franchise. But it is something I can never do.
The first one was a surprise hit. The second one is arguably the finest action film ever made.
And then James Cameron moved on.
Well Arnold just took Cameron s advice very well and over and over again
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