Wow, you have the patience of a saint. Both with spending all that time on the TAS and with answering the same questions being asked over and over. Lots of respect for this, awesome video.
The commentary made this super interesting! I'm pretty new to watching these runs and it was cool to see all the thought that went into it. Thank you for sharing!!
I could never speed run because I always say Caterpie does NOT evolve into Butterfrie and have to fight the burglar in Blaines Gym. It's a matter of principle.
Manipulation is when you make the best of game mechanics by manipulating (hence its called manipulation). Glitching is when you use means that weren't meant to be aka called glitches.
In this context half turns are individual move uses from you or the opponent and full turns when both players get a move. This is important for timing route 3 where you can lose a full turn by taking damage from Caterpie and then save a red bar level up, or you can lose a half turn on Rattata to its Quick Attack.
Just a question: 23:48 doesnt water gun have 100% hit rate? I mean, you can manipulate RNG, but with 100% hit rate...you dont even have 1% to make the miracle...it's hit or hit.
Kenn toSheneKyn that's a gen 1 miss, there are several mentioned throughout the run. All moves in gen 1 have an additional 1 in 256 chance to miss due to a bug with the accuracy check. We exploit this bug because it is allowed as part of the "glitchless" category. The bug can be avoided by skipping the accuracy check with x accuracy or Swift
Travis McGeehan oh okay man didn't know that. Btw im not english speaker, so i dont understand all the things u say through the run because of that. Thank you for the aclaration :)
SuperTtKiller you want to talk from the bottom to buffer the A press to talk and not bonk on the trainer, also a turn frame only happens the first time you turn in a room. The path is the same number of tiles as talking from the left to get to Surge and back to the exit.
It's actually not because getting on the bike after flying is slower than when we do it after leaving a building. So where biking to the fly house is faster than walking, it's faster to walk this distance to the water.
Yeah that's just how cut works, you can see it before the gym battle too. If you liked this, check out the more recent version I uploaded which saved 390 frames!
I'm not sure if you're joking, but finding growl gen 1 miss is a 1 in 256 chance, and Eevee also needs to choose Tackle on that frame, so the first bit of setup is 1 in 512. Then Eevee only has a 1 in 10 chance of getting a critical hit. Then you have to do it again on the 2nd turn. So I had to take several hours searching for a series of inputs leading up to the fight which caused the 1 in 5,000x2, that is 1 in 25 million RNG to happen without much delay.
I retract my statement then. I was not aware that even at the very beginning of the game you had to move and press certain keys in order for this battle to just go the way you wanted. I thought you would just die normally in quick fashion and move on without delay.
Kurausukun generally moves that have secondary effects have shake animations, so for example double kick hits twice, Thrash lasts multiple turns, bubblebeam has a speed fall chance, ember has a chance to burn, etc.
Sry that i am commentating as i just saw the first minutes of the video. But already questions came to my mind. Like how does the "avoid encounters" work with pressing A? Also how do you manipulate getting the nido you want, and how do you manipulate getting the pidgeotto. Or did you restart a few times to get this?
Ok i guess in a TAS you just say to the game "give me this encounter". But still, how does this pressing A to avoid encounters work. And are glitchless runners already use this?
Also it is so interesting how big the gap is between very good luck (gunners wr) and perfect luck (TAS). About 18 minutes seem ridioulus. I mean a TAS is just a speedrun with perfect luck/RNG is it? ...
In order to manipulate RNG in a human run, you have to hard reset the console and do a short series of exact inputs to get the exact RNG you need. Humans aren't consistent enough to manip for a long time or in certain situations. The hard reset loses 20 seconds. TAS always knows the exact state of the RNG at any moment because we can look at the memory using tools and see where the RNG is. Hence "Tool Assisted Speedrun." So not only can we manipulate the nido, moon, and forest without a hard reset, we can manipulate everything else, like battle RNG for critting everywhere we need. And because we can manipulate everything, the route is completely different than anything you can do in RTA. Combined this allows the TAS to save 17:17 on current world record (more if you time the TAS like RTA is timed, TAS times from power on of the console).
TiKevin83 Speedruns That makes sense. I was also kinda confused because red, blue. and yellow NSC also manip trainer ID before the new game is selected in RTA, but again timing starts on new game. I realize it is completely arbitrary where you start the timer, and that it really doesn't matter. Just was curious if there was a reason. Amazing run by the way. Super interesting. Happy to finally find a really good TAS of gen 1 in English.
The original gameboy runs at 59.7275fps which we round to 60 frames per second for simplicity. Some inputs have very large windows to get the same RNG, such as the 17 frame walk cycle, but other things like selecting a move in battle will produce different RNG on every single frame.
We're controlling the outcome of every accuracy check by playing a script of precise inputs that cause the same RNG every run. The script is what you see rolling down the left side of the screen
@@Yuri-tt4jo it definitely looks like glitching but technically it's a tool-assisted run that follows the glitchless ruleset. I have a glitched run called "No Save Corruption" that beats the game in less than 10 minutes.
Oh yeah. Some games are worth playing even when it's 20 years old. One of my favorite games, Pokemon Pearl, is from 2007 and I still play it sometimes. Its just a unique game that you cant get with the other games
Mom I'm off on an adventure to be the world's greatest pokemon trainer, be back in about an hour or so
This is some of the best TAS commentary I could ask for, I wish more TASers took the time to do this!
no such thing as best or good or not, comment any can be perfx
What is a TAS? I see that word more often in the comments here.
@@Leto85 tool assisted speedrun
Wow, you have the patience of a saint. Both with spending all that time on the TAS and with answering the same questions being asked over and over. Lots of respect for this, awesome video.
This is fantastic commentary on a TAS. Great job really!
Thank you!
no such thing as fx or not
I started watching: I wonder how the TaS adjusts for the randomness.....
Ten minutes in: My god, you can manipulate *EVERYTHING*
TAS MANIPS ALLL THINGS
Woah
no such thing as everyx, nonex
Travis deserves much, much more hype in the Speedrun industry. Great commentary!
The commentary made this super interesting! I'm pretty new to watching these runs and it was cool to see all the thought that went into it. Thank you for sharing!!
This run has been obsoleted! Watch the 390 frame improvement to 1:36:26.54
th-cam.com/video/xgahKwzD7_I/w-d-xo.html
26:35 "I'm second! Now it's serious!" Pulls out a level 14 pidgey thinking she's something.
this was such a blast to watch. I love watching tasses and it's so insightful to listen to the creator.
For a second I was worried that 4 turn thrash wasn't going to hit on Oddish and Bellsprout girl but then I remembered this was TAS
Awesome TAS and awesome commentary, rly enjoyed this! Great work man
Pretty awesome stuff here. Love the commentary and explanatations over optimizations done. Keep this type of stuff up
I could never speed run because I always say Caterpie does NOT evolve into Butterfrie and have to fight the burglar in Blaines Gym. It's a matter of principle.
Also "Poliwag evolves three times"
poliwag evolves once. into poliwhirl.
dmign incorrect.
this is sick, love the commentary bro!
This some next level science man. Really good job.
Thanks Layzeq!
when you learn that the move fly does not actually turn you into a bird but you merely ride it...
ya...
The menuing of TAS is OP
Regarding Rival's brag about catching 40 kinds before Cut: I'm not even sure that's possible without trades.
Oh, you live in Michigan too! Here's to terrible roads, fellow Michigander!
sonnytapman West Michigan is the bomb tbh, it's June and I'm not dying from the heat like I was at college in Oklahoma
Travis McGeehan That sounds incredibly awful. Glad you like it here! Sadly we don’t have a lot of cons.
amazing!! the commentary made the video
Guess RNG manip isn’t a glitch! Jk, I know this category is called glitchless because the glitches run is 0minutes long
Manipulation is when you make the best of game mechanics by manipulating (hence its called manipulation). Glitching is when you use means that weren't meant to be aka called glitches.
This is awesome, proud to be lucky # 100 on subs
A turn is a turn. You can't call it a half.
In this context half turns are individual move uses from you or the opponent and full turns when both players get a move. This is important for timing route 3 where you can lose a full turn by taking damage from Caterpie and then save a red bar level up, or you can lose a half turn on Rattata to its Quick Attack.
I know, I just wanted to say the meme
Actually using swag boulder for RNG manip Kreygasm
this is AWESOME!!
Next time, manipulate Professor Oak Pikachu miss
When you aim to piss, the aiming take times and you lose precious frames - so don't just shoot!
Awsome, thanks for all the explaining.
wow you can manipulate crits and gen 1 misses? holy shit mind blown
This vid made me sub thanks for the nostalgia
5:50 why walk behind prof?
It makes the rival walk less, and the rival walks at half speed compared to you.
i see!! thank you very much for answering! appreciated!!
6:42 - 6:45 inputs:
Any time I say something that’s bothering me to someone who isn’t my bf or my bestie
This man hates frames
wtf this deserves way more views
Just a question: 23:48 doesnt water gun have 100% hit rate? I mean, you can manipulate RNG, but with 100% hit rate...you dont even have 1% to make the miracle...it's hit or hit.
Kenn toSheneKyn that's a gen 1 miss, there are several mentioned throughout the run. All moves in gen 1 have an additional 1 in 256 chance to miss due to a bug with the accuracy check. We exploit this bug because it is allowed as part of the "glitchless" category. The bug can be avoided by skipping the accuracy check with x accuracy or Swift
Travis McGeehan oh okay man didn't know that. Btw im not english speaker, so i dont understand all the things u say through the run because of that. Thank you for the aclaration :)
40:00 Stand left to arena leader and safe turn frames?
Also faster so you only walk down and dont have to run around trash cans twice?
SuperTtKiller you want to talk from the bottom to buffer the A press to talk and not bonk on the trainer, also a turn frame only happens the first time you turn in a room. The path is the same number of tiles as talking from the left to get to Surge and back to the exit.
Ok I see. Thanks for the explanation. Good job on the run! Maybe the ommunity has more ideas on how to improve even more, if you aim to.
nice run travis
What a cool guy
At 1:04:33, why not bike down to the fence and then surf? Shouldn't that be faster?
It's actually not because getting on the bike after flying is slower than when we do it after leaving a building. So where biking to the fly house is faster than walking, it's faster to walk this distance to the water.
Cool! You really thought of everything. Are you planning to make an improvement to the glitchless Gold TAS at some point?
It's unlikely I'll work on Gold, I just posted a glitched run of Yellow NSC and am planning to work on Blue Glitchless after TwitchCon
You're the HappyLee of Gen 1 Pokémon. That Blue glitchless will be cool to compare to the original Blue TAS from 2005.
why didn't nidoran's / nidorino's / nidoking's cry get skipped in red bar? wasn't that a thing as well?
Red bar works that way in Red/Blue but not Yellow
Why not catch abra to teleport back to cerulean?
Dig is faster
Interesting stuff. What's up with the lag when you cut the tree after beating Surge? Was that always a thing..?
Yeah that's just how cut works, you can see it before the gym battle too. If you liked this, check out the more recent version I uploaded which saved 390 frames!
04:15 are you kidding me? You spent how long? 2 seconds, 1 second per choice to use Growl over Thundershock? How can this be soooo hard?
I'm not sure if you're joking, but finding growl gen 1 miss is a 1 in 256 chance, and Eevee also needs to choose Tackle on that frame, so the first bit of setup is 1 in 512. Then Eevee only has a 1 in 10 chance of getting a critical hit. Then you have to do it again on the 2nd turn. So I had to take several hours searching for a series of inputs leading up to the fight which caused the 1 in 5,000x2, that is 1 in 25 million RNG to happen without much delay.
I retract my statement then. I was not aware that even at the very beginning of the game you had to move and press certain keys in order for this battle to just go the way you wanted. I thought you would just die normally in quick fashion and move on without delay.
I don't get it. My Nidoking is level 24 and I keep losing to Misty.
And than I discovered the power of Thrash. :)
What is RTA?
Stands for Real Time Attack, refers to runs performed by a human in real time
wrong, bigx s inferiox, no such thing as kinx or stronx or evolvx etc about it
I wonder what a run would look like if the runner wasn’t allowed to use Nidoking....
I've thought about TASing Mankey or some other main, maybe someday!
TiKevin83 Speedruns Hope you do it soon. I really enjoy these types of videos.
Check out Raticate%
What was the rerecord count?
disturbedhalo117 just over 179,000, and none of the RNG was found via botting for this TAS so it's not inflated from that.
tasvideos.org/5860S.html
Remind me--what determines whether a move has a flash animation or a shake animation on hit?
Kurausukun generally moves that have secondary effects have shake animations, so for example double kick hits twice, Thrash lasts multiple turns, bubblebeam has a speed fall chance, ember has a chance to burn, etc.
Thaaaat's right, thanks. For some reason I kept on thinking it was a physical/special thing, but that doesn't add up.
so this is world record?
Eh it's a tas, so those aren't really recorded as records.
It is the TAS world record
fucking amazing good watch
Sry that i am commentating as i just saw the first minutes of the video. But already questions came to my mind. Like how does the "avoid encounters" work with pressing A? Also how do you manipulate getting the nido you want, and how do you manipulate getting the pidgeotto. Or did you restart a few times to get this?
Ok i guess in a TAS you just say to the game "give me this encounter". But still, how does this pressing A to avoid encounters work. And are glitchless runners already use this?
Also it is so interesting how big the gap is between very good luck (gunners wr) and perfect luck (TAS). About 18 minutes seem ridioulus.
I mean a TAS is just a speedrun with perfect luck/RNG is it? ...
In order to manipulate RNG in a human run, you have to hard reset the console and do a short series of exact inputs to get the exact RNG you need. Humans aren't consistent enough to manip for a long time or in certain situations. The hard reset loses 20 seconds.
TAS always knows the exact state of the RNG at any moment because we can look at the memory using tools and see where the RNG is. Hence "Tool Assisted Speedrun." So not only can we manipulate the nido, moon, and forest without a hard reset, we can manipulate everything else, like battle RNG for critting everywhere we need. And because we can manipulate everything, the route is completely different than anything you can do in RTA. Combined this allows the TAS to save 17:17 on current world record (more if you time the TAS like RTA is timed, TAS times from power on of the console).
Why does timing start on game startup and not on "new game" like in RTA runs
This is a general standard for TASes, primarily because we begin to influence RNG before new game even starts
TiKevin83 Speedruns That makes sense. I was also kinda confused because red, blue. and yellow NSC also manip trainer ID before the new game is selected in RTA, but again timing starts on new game. I realize it is completely arbitrary where you start the timer, and that it really doesn't matter. Just was curious if there was a reason.
Amazing run by the way. Super interesting. Happy to finally find a really good TAS of gen 1 in English.
This was very cool! You talk a lot about 1/60 inputs, what does that mean?
The original gameboy runs at 59.7275fps which we round to 60 frames per second for simplicity. Some inputs have very large windows to get the same RNG, such as the 17 frame walk cycle, but other things like selecting a move in battle will produce different RNG on every single frame.
Clearly explanation, thanks
Did you choose when to make a move crit?
Yes, by manipulating the RNG on each frame of the whole game through small delays
How do you get these odds or is it something you can program
The game is deterministic, the same code runs every time you power on the console. As a result we can script the inputs to give us the RNG we need
@@TiKevin83 thank you
we've come to a point in time where humans must rely on bots to do everything for them
Is this uploaded anywhere without commentary?
Here ya go!
th-cam.com/video/iKi7sTVLhm8/w-d-xo.html
oh wow talk about fast reply! Thank you.
How can you hit Horn Drill everytime when it's a 30% ratio technique? You're using some Gameshark or cheat code...
We're controlling the outcome of every accuracy check by playing a script of precise inputs that cause the same RNG every run. The script is what you see rolling down the left side of the screen
@@TiKevin83 Then it's not "glitchless"... haha..
@@Yuri-tt4jo it definitely looks like glitching but technically it's a tool-assisted run that follows the glitchless ruleset. I have a glitched run called "No Save Corruption" that beats the game in less than 10 minutes.
Dude how long did the whole thing take? I'm guessing at least 40 hours.
Probably closer to 200 hours, 300 or 400 across the 2 rewrites. The whole project took about 3 months.
@@TiKevin83 wow that's a lot
@@TiKevin83 thats some dedication
DO PEOPLE STILL PLAY THIS GAME AFTER 20 YEARS
I dont play this anymore i just play lets go
Oh yeah. Some games are worth playing even when it's 20 years old. One of my favorite games, Pokemon Pearl, is from 2007 and I still play it sometimes. Its just a unique game that you cant get with the other games
Can we train an AI to play pokemon and run faster than this guy eventually?
fung chan A bot that played with the same ruleset could only be a few frames faster finding perfect RNG, there's nothing else we know of to optimize
great job!
but im curious: how do you manipulate the crits and the hits with the drill?
Jan S By rewriting when each input happens frame by frame until we find what we need. You can see the final script scroll by on the left of the video
"Glitchless"
Glitches within 20 seconds.
The Gen 1 Pokemon games are so broken we have to use a convoluted definition for "Glitchless" in the main categories :)
Why does it look the same as fire red wtf😂✋
Because Fire Red is a remake of this game.
The lord giveTH and the lord takeTH
Did you know th could be interpreted as Try Hard
Crit hacks
heh if only it were as easy as hacks
"We use my fast options glitch"
"Glitchless"
Give me my money back binch.
@@user-it6nz3rh3z WOOOSH
I guess "Give me my money back" wasn't enough for the autistics.