Can i just say that this channel along with the Andertons channel has really brought back a spark for me in guitar playing. I am a professional player and teacher but for a while, I lost that passion for playing for pure enjoyment. This channel has helped so much to bring back my passion for tone and playing. I have also learnt SO much from you guys. It has been so helpful and I really appreciate it. You have helped me in my search for my own sound and what I like... as well as how to set things up and power things correctly etc... I always look forward to your next video : ). Thanks so much.
The more I watch demo videos on TH-cam, the more I am impressed with the audio quality you guys have in your videos between discussion and playing. Brighter lighting at the new space is a good fit.
THANK YOU MICK! 50:38 - "People are gonna wanna know, should I buy this or this". This is the entire reason I'm here (I like the other vids you guys do too, obv.) But I'm glad you convinced Dan.
2 things. 1) That Pete Thorn video is still one of my favorite guitar things. Dan's primal scream is hilarious. 2) I love that in this, Dan responds to the attenuated Marshall sounds with an attenuated, sotto voce "get in".
"Schwang-ri-la" That's it! That's the name of That New Pedal Shed! You guys are awesome! I've said it before but I have you and Rabea and Chappers to thank for my return to the guitar after a few years of disinterest.
The Ox is killer. I use it live all the time in combination with a mic’d cab and have my own panned stereo thing going on. Also, the ability to change the rig over to a tweed or champ for a totally new tone is really cool. Also, when front of house says “too loud” its a really easy fix without a total EQ change. Not to mention the 1176 compression is pretty great on the Ox. Once I set my “rigs” on the Ox I haven’t been in the software on the ipad in months.
The OX, simply the best piece of studio based guitar gear I have ever owned. I swear I took a massive punt on this (Funny how us guitarists don't think twice about splashing out on amps and guitars, but anything slightly leftfield requires a leap of faith ;)). Believe me when I say I blew my budget on this, but it was worth every penny. Within 20 minutes of getting this thing out the box (bearing in mind I don't do any of that digital screens, parameters, guitar software bollocks), It was apparent I'd made the right choice. Now I've got my Sheriff 44 absolutely maxed in my house at neighbour/wife friendly volumes.Amazing, worth every penny ;-)
37:49 Dan plus reverb = waking up to a misty morning at an outdoor concert circa 1969. Knowing yesterday was great, but today is going to be glorious. My man.....
Excellent tip on the Ocean Way Studios plugin. I often take an Apollo Twin on vacation so I can use the amp sims, and having the OWS on an AUX bus really improves that experience.
You guys did a great job with this! Thanks for confirming that buying the OX for quiet recording was a good idea and the info on the Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro's.
Literally just got an ox box and some beyerdynamics earlier this week! I completely agree with the conversation at 41:21 - It took me 10mins to find a great sound with my blues jnr - but instead of using a 1x12 I use the 4x10 sim with a random combo of on and off axis mics, as it sounds the closest to me listening to the amp in the room (and importantly retains the character of the amp). It'll never feel like the boominess of the walls and air moving in the room but it is great for guilt free silent playing and is better recording option for me, with no sound engineering skills, faffing around with an SM57 +/- a condenser (and then having trouble replicating the results). My early criticism is that it breaks up too easily/artificially with dynamic playing - I haven't yet found a setting that stays as clean as the amp by itself. It would also be nice to be able to change the type of room in the app (like you can in the Ocean Ways plugin). There is a now a dangerous rabbit hole where I want to buy an AC30 etc... amps I'd never dream of using at home. PS. Coincidentally one of my friends is the design engineer at Nura (honk) - he was excited to know word is spreading afar! Thanks for plugging an Australian company!
As always boys- excellent vid! Very poignant video for me, just received my OX on Wednesday! So far, I’m loving it, because it IS DOESN’T GIVE ME OPTION PARALYSIS! It does what I want for recording, attenuates my amp nicely for practice at home.... BOOM AND DONE! Cheers!
A lot of thought & care went into this & it's appreciated. All the more-so 'cos it's not your first choice way of doing things, but you've understood our issues. I want quality sounds, but I don't want to keep my shift working neighbour awake. It's important that he's well rested 'cos he's a fireman.....& my house is on his beat!!
Thanks guys for bring out you latest pedal boards, much appreciated. I hope you can find time to give us a run-through of you boards and how you use them in a gig/rehearsal context when controlled by the G2. I have seen Dan's latest "GigRig" vid talking through the features and benefits of the G2, but I'd love to see how to use the G2 in a practical and musical context. Loved your intro today guys, i hope you bring this in regularly. It's great to hear you doing what you love, with the gear you currently enjoy. Love you new studio, sounding fantastic. cheers
I am struck by the situation we all find ourselves in today in music technology, using devices in a signal chain designed and introduced across 80 decades (1950 - 2018). The human spirit continues to reach for new things.. innovate ... advance and improve, hungry for more and more.... and yet at the same time we hold tightly to what we have loved and cherished, that which has found its way deeply into our hearts, souls and the fiber of our bones. Something new to capture something that we knew. We are odd and silly creatures ... and I love it! Great episode dudes, can't wait till next week.
Mick, the Positive Grid Bias Mini is crazy good, tons of fun, iPad tweakable beyond your wildest dreams, front-end pedal compatible, effects loop, and simple touch and go. Love it! Totally addictive!
Very interesting to get your perspective on this. What's interesting to me as someone who's recently recorded with a progressive metal band is that Dan's obsession with having the guitar in the room with the amp is an absolute anathema to the standard practice for recording in heavier genres. From Metallica to Pantera to more modern artists in the Djent sphere (at least, ones who aren't using Kempers or plugins), as well as our producer's set up at Brighton Electric (where Rabea recorded his album with Toska), the setup is pretty similar. The musician is in the control room and their signal is routed to the amp in the studio, either mic'd with the room or covered in moving blankets in an acoustically dead vocal booth. For our record we even did this with the bass, eschewing the usual DI for a vintage SVT and a 70s Fender Bassman into an 8x10, but again it was mic'd in the studio and I was in the control room to play. Have you guys never had any experience with this kind of setup and, in either case, why do you think so many producers record this way if having the instrument, player and amp in the same room makes such a difference in your opinion?
For sure, when you’re talking about tracking a record there are plenty of reasons for not being in the same room as your amp - not least ear fatigue! These videos are about just normal playing and trying to enjoy it, not necessarily pro recording. However... Couple of things from my point of view - Mick here. For the kind of music I play, the interaction between guitar, amp and human is absolutely essential, so that’s why I like to be in the room. But I’ve been to my fair share of metal tracking sessions and that’s a whole different thing not least because the guitars end up being //vastly// more produced than in other genres, to the point where they often don’t sound much like what’s coming out of the speakers at all. Hence the prevalence of digital solutions in that world, in my opinion. Going back a click or two, again, you’d have to be slightly mad to stand in the room with a cranked Plexi while tracking! So I’m sure it’s a mix of practical and stylistic reasons in those genres. But for me, I want to feel my amp. I want to feel the band for that matter! Though I appreciate that progressive music is rarely recorded like that. Tracking tracking tracking. And to me anyway, boy does it sound like it!
Also. Will just add this... it was also common practise to track segments of chords separately so that the intonation and gain levels could be tweaked between pairs of strings - I’m not kidding! That’s how much some of that particular kind of metal was basically constructed and fixed. And, get ready to be potentially offended but please understand I’m not directing this at you. A lot of those guys frankly weren’t together (or good) enough to play the parts that ended up on the records. So they had to be laboriously tracked in that way. Nobody wanted to stay in the room with that. If I was a producer, I’d want the guy in the control room so I could urge him to play it right. Now. That happens in every genre and I’ve done more than my fair share of hopelessly bad comped takes. Feed a few producers with a drink or three and ask them about rubbish guitar players. You’ll be there for weeks! :0) That’s why they want you in the control room - they want to finish the record and get paid before they die of old age and or scrapped takes. ;0)
I appreciate the respect you have developed for quiet/attenuated playing. I recently compared digital amp emulations to a live tube amp with a loadbox and speaker emulators and discovered there is still no substitute for real tubes in terms of headroom, responsiveness and sustain.
Schwangri-la! ! No doubt! ! I can only dream of having the talent, passion, and time that encompasses what you guys and your team do on any given day. Schwangri-la indeed good sirs, Schwangri-la indeed.
Thank you guys! It’s wonderful to see you having fun again after the turmoil of the work on Schwangri-La. Some thoughts: 1) Mick, you will probably say it’s not your ambition, but you would be a very good band producer: asking the right questions in the right way and keeping the focus, and of course your phenomenal knowledge. 2) The Bad Bob is - again - convincing. 3) There are basically 3 guitar uses: band situation, practice at home, studio time (TH-cam guitar playing is not really a seperate category as it sort of combines these). I want to point out to other viewers that in all three of these situations, owning these devices is not necessary to achieve what you want to. If you want to play or record at home, there are other options that will presumably match your expectations. Also, be aware of the fact that any software-related product will - at one point - ask you money for updates. This being said, hats off to you guys for this marvellous in-depth video and to the makers of these wonderful devices for their innovative achievements.
I like you Tom - Mick here. Thank you for the kind words. As it goes, I am doing a little production at the moment for a couple of our friends and - gadzooks - us! Totally agree with the three uses thing. I was talking to Dan about a show on headspace. Have no idea how we do it. It came up because I was reflecting on how we feel when we’re making these videos. Loose, easy, fun, nothing heavy. When I play live or record proper music - not sure about Dan - everything changes. Music is really serious for me. As pretentious as it sounds, it’s deep; it’s art. It’s expression and release. Wonder if there is a show in that. Or if I’ll just come off like a mentalist. :0)
Love the show, really amazing. You both are doing so much for everyone. Before I started watching these shows I never had a pedalboard, I just had one multi effects pedal and thought that’s it, and all I need. But since watching your shows I’ve got inspired and now got a pedalboard with various types of pedals. Thanks to that pedal show. 🎸
Excited for this one, always been interested in your opinions on this sort of thing. P.S. I saw Julian Lage this week and he is, first and foremost, an astonishingly good guitarist - but also gets an unbelievable tone from a '54 Tele and a '50something Fender Champ and not much else that I could see. Would love a show about jazz tones - get Nels Cline or Julian on!
Saw him a few times as well and I'm a big fan of Julian (no to mention Nels, which I adore), but I must tell You he uses some pedals when playing with his trio, even with the new Nels Cline quartet. He's not a tweaker just a "set and go" player. Last time I saw a Strymon Flint, Tube Dreamer and a booster some kind of, but those were never tweaked during the whole performance, they are just situated where the amp is.
7:40 Two-Notes product line kind of sucks to put it mildly. All products have different features. So if you want adjustable attenuator and revamping features, you need the Torpedo Reload, but then it doesn’t load IRs, so you either need to run an IR loader plugin in your DAW or you need the Two-Notes C.A.B. - you would think the high-end top of the line Torpedo Studio would do it all, from adjustable attenuation, to reamping with level match, or loading IRs, etc... but no, it doesn’t! I did look a lot into it and I came to conclusion the Torpedo Reload does fit the best because of the attenuators and revamping features, and it’s cheaper then the studio, even if you add the C.A.B. box to have IRs in real-time without computer. I just wish they would make a Torpedo Reload II with the C.A.B. Integrated to be simpler and all-in-one box. Edit: correcting some stupid autocorrect from the iPad. Guess what, autocorrect sucks pretty bad too!
Phil Smith It’s all so confusing as to what someone “needs”... is the OX a replacement/competitor for what Torpedo product? Would an OX be a great thing for home noodling or just overkill for someone not really in a band or doing just minor recording? I guess the real question is - have a nice amp... is the OX just if I was going to record and hop into the whole recording thing? Hate to spend $1300 on an ox just to use as an attenuator.
It's indeed quite complicated to figure out, but I think it's really up to everyone to really dig, study each product (even try them if they can) and then figure out what is "best" for their use. My own conclusions for myself might not be true and applicable for someone else. So on the previous post, I really wanted to mean I came to conclusion _for my use_... it's absolutely not an overall conclusion for everyone. I just wanted to be sure to mention it just in case there was any misunderstanding that can so easily and often happen in a quick comment. So now, regarding the product, here's some of the bit bullet points I would see (in no particular order): - If one is only looking for an attenuator for his tube amp, there's plenty of cheaper solution out there, from basic loadbox that will reduce by -6, -12, -18 and even -30db, maybe some variable ajustement, etc.. So if it's only to play quiet at home and still enjoy a tube amp, there's solution from Soldano/JetCity attenuator, to Two-Notes Captor, Suhr loadbox, etc... again, they all have different specs and use, so but there's existing solutions for sure. - For the Torpedo and Ox, they're more than just loadbox or attenuator, their goal goes beyond and they're more useful for silent recording. So if one has no interest in home recording, there's probably no interest to spend that much money in those products. However, if you want to record (even on a hobbyist level), I do believe that's very nice products that could be very useful... and even at at very high professional quality level. Once well setup, you can just get a tone that is (IMHO) just as good as mic-ing a real cab in a room. Because not everyone has a good room, a set of good mics with good preamps, nor even the knowledge to how to really mic a cab properly to get a good tone (sometimes, if you just move a little bit the mic, you will get a complete different tone. It's a real job to become a "recording engineer"). - So those Ox and Torpedo could actually help this kind of process to record at home. If you're using Apple iOS/MacOS products, the Ox will work fine. However, if you're a Windows or Android user, then it might be a big no-go. Also it's two different approach since the Torpedo is around working using "Impulse Response" (IRs) while the Ox is using modeling done by Universal Audio. So if you're a tweaker and like to use different type of cab, speaker, mic, etc... you can have plenty of IRs from both the Two-Notes store or from 3rd party developers (such Celestion, OwnHammer, Sigma Audio, etc...). - You can actually even make your own one. Pete Thorn did a good video about that. So, you can get the advantage to have a perfect settings done in a great high-end studio room, with high-end mic and preamp, placed perfectly by a good sound engineer... and it will just be a single recall of a file/preset. For the Ox, you have less options, but sometimes less is good too and makes the choices easier and can be adjusted directly from the interface. It's sad that they didn't use the "Wall of Sound" plugin interface to control the Torpedo because it's just as intuitive as the Ox IMHO, but again, some people might argue differently. It's really personal choices and opinions. So it's better for anyone to just check them and judge by themselves. Rabea did a good video to show the Wall of Sound/Torpedo interface and what you can do and how you can control the Torpedo. Maybe it would help. Long story short, there's different solutions and it might be worth to spend some time to check them, watch more video about each product before to spend over $1,000 in something. Just make sure it would work _FOR YOU_. I hope I make sense. Cheers!
Even without the autocorrect, that is still incomprehensible to me. I just plug my board into a Bad Monkey and use the cab em in the "mixer out". I don't understand all this "IR" and DAW stuff.
Matt Gilbert then I guess you need to go learn the basics about IRs and recording to have a better picture of the signal path and what it all mean. There are plenty of videos on YT about it, it shouldn’t be too complicated to find.
Really interesting guys! I use a torpedo CAB pedal which is a little more user-friendly than the torpedo studio. It can be used in conjunction with a real cab, and sound guys love the isolated ‘mic’d up’ guitar signal! It’s even better when loaded with celestion impulse responses (best on the market in my opinion).
You have the option of using two mics on one cabinet on the two note. By default it’s one mic left and another right (stereo). Choose to use for an example physical output Right and set the two notes to “dry/dual mic in the output menu. Then you can blend the volume on each mic. I think that the volume blend/mic placement should be done from the computer app though. What could be interesting is to record a amp and cabinet with one or two mics and at the same time make an IR of that exact same setup and then compare the two sounds. Regards Mikkel
I’m glad this has come up now. I’ve recently gone to putting my pedalboard into a clean Suhr Corso with the line out running to a BluBox and then to my interface. I can’t remember when I last used used my speaker cab now. Only problem is now I’m starting to go down a rabbit hole of monitors and as this has highlighted, headphones!
With my Hi-Tone (Hiwatt repro) 50 watter I can attenuate either via the amp’s own VVR circuit (reduces voltage in the power stage) or a PowerStation. The VVR turns the amp tonally into a blackface Fender Deluxe with a Mid knob. Gotta keep the master vol down, though, to avoid overcompressing the amp and roasting the VVR components to boot. The PowerStation OTOH keeps the Hiwatt character intact but this means the power tubes wear out a lot faster. Hiwatts sound glorious with the channel & master vols both at ~3 o’clock! The PowerStation’s tone knobs & Bright/Warm switches are a huge plus in getting a great sound at a small-room friendly volume.
Speaking of Pete, he'd be a great resource to have on the show for a show-and-tell for how he does low-volume stuff and has it sound amazing (tracking with a real amp into a load box + cab IRs, etc).
I’m thinking Torpedo Reload is closer to the OX than the Studio in practice but in terms of features the OX is situated in somewhere between the Studio and Reload. The dry sound from the Torpedo sounded better to me than than the OX. Could just be the impulse response files. I’d be curious to hear each box run through identical IRs.
Cheers Patrick. It’s a fine line having an opinion. Because most of the planet disagrees with you when you do. But I figure it’s better to have something to disagree with than a load of vanilla marketing regurgitation at the end of the day. :0)
That Pedal Show Well said sir! It always bugs me when people say "that's just your opinion, man" It's that little word "just" - that's the flaw. It's similar to the "all value judgements are subjective" claim. Well, if that's true then is *that* claim merely subjective? As the late Robert Pirsig wrote: "Between Subject and Object lies the Value"
I'm sick of watching adults lie and pander to kids all over youtube. This and tonymckenziecom are where I have to go to find adults that actually can play and have some actual experience...and honesty.
This episode seems to prove whats been said of the OX…a great sound quick with easy tweak ability. Neither sounded the same as miked .The OX sounded different but damn good. Sounding good, I think , is what matters most…different or not. Great show guys!
I'd agree Glenn. That's 20 per cent of it. The other 80 is what you play and whether it's worth playing in the first place. On a semi-serious note, Dan and I have to remind ourselves from time to time that all this is for nothing if we're not actually trying to say something with the music itself. Outside of TPS of course. Not much music here! :0)
What timing I've just ordered (last night) a Two Notes Torpedo Captor. Been wanting to pull the trigger for weeks. Can't wait to try it now. Arrives Tuesday. Hopefully her indoors will be outdoors when it arrives. Otherwise I'll cop it. You guys have a lot to answer for. Another entertaining and informative video. Cheers
Hi, Mark here :-) Great video guys, its a shame you couldn't get to know the Two Notes a bit more before and use the remote for the computer as you can do a lot more than what you guys did (which you did say) I have the Two Notes Torpedo Live and it is a great bit of kit for home use to crank your amp. Keep these awesome show coming!
Use it as well, its an awesome piece of kit. Yes like everything else you have to spend a little time with it, not every cab suits every amp .But there is plenty to choose from and moving the mic around and using different mics really helps dial it in. I always A/B with my live cabs to make sure its as close as possible. They defiantly needed to spend more time with the 2 notes and use the free app when you get the 2 notes.
I find for running IRs I have to be sitting in front of the monitors. Every cab sim I have used did not seem to give me tight muted tones with medium gain. It took me quite a while and selling stuff I did not need to sell to work out all I had to do was apply a high pass filter. It gets rid of a little of the proximity effect that I think is the reason IRs and cab sims can seem a little boomy.
Thanks guys for demoing and trialing this digital gear today." Giving it a good crack in Schwang-ri-la" Dan, your playing went to another level when you started playing with your " music listening" cans..you had fun. Well worth looking into for practising and having fun, but not for recording. " Careful with those cans Eugene", you'll hurt yourself. You need reference headphones for recording, and I don't think you would enjoy those as much as your new cans. I'm sure you guys will work this digital domain out eventually, as the gear is getting better. Great summary and running the gear Mick. I learn't that I'd like the OX and your groovy cans, as i could have fun at any time of day/night. thanks guys, cheers
Would love to see you guys experiment with the Built-in cab filter on the Big Sky! It’s saved me on more than one gig when no decent amps were available.
My issue with Two notes WOS is that the plugin software constantly locks you out if you haven't used it for a week or two .....and you end up having to reset your PW time and time again ....even though you have paid the licence agreement ( pay heed two notes!)....really annoying !!!! great show chaps .....BTW it is possible to get a great guitar sound through headphones ......but its important to note though that guitar in isolation is a different beast to lets say tracking a guitar over a backing track or song you are working on ......thats much more about constant eq tweaking to get it to sit in a mix well while feeling what your playing.....interesting then to switch back to isolated guitar which now sounds awful ....but sounds amazing within the track....Just an observation!!!!
As somebody in the market for the OX or the TwoNotes Studio, I really appreciated Micks tough decision at 50:00. In the end however, I think I will be sticking with a mic on the cabs
No, thank Dan & Mick, no sense in thanking any of the approximately 320,000,000 made up god´s, flying pink elephants, Harry Potter, or anything else that´s made up. Obviously! :-D
Honestly, If I'm home and using headphones for night time practice I don't mind using an old line 6 pod I have around...It even takes pedals quite well. If I'm serious about tone, the only thing that is going to beat a cranked tube amp are going to be two cranked tube amps.
Yes, but for how much Dan liked them I think they are a bargain. They have pedals that would cost more than that and almost all the cabs, amps and guitars cost far more. The Grado GS1000 over ear headphones are £1000, still less than a lot of the other equipment. If you are playing through headphones all the time, it is worth it.
Well done! Really good revisit. The headphones and the reverb (no matter how you achieved it) made a huge difference, which is what many commenters said last time. But the reverb really needs to go onto the headphones for your monitoring only. If you put the extra reverb into the mix and listeners are using speakers in a room, they get yet another layer of reverb from the room they are listening in. In my case, I always listen to youtube through headphones and always have some reverb dialled in to give it some "space". When you put the reverb on the Ox or the Two Notes, it was overkill until I dialled out the reverb on my own headphones. You really don't want the "compensation reverb" to go into the mix.
LOVE my BeyerDynamics! All headphones are different though and each persons hearing range is different. Just like open cab/ closed back cabs, v30's, greenbacks, creambacks, Jensens, 12" drivers, 10" drivers, front ported, rear ported blah blah blah.
I use two notes with custom IR's and I think you need some kind of reverb to have it sound more natural. The IR's are truncated down to 18ms I believe, this means you can't get reverb from room mic IR's, they will only make a tonal difference. It would have been really nice to be able to use longer IR's for natural room reverb, OwnHammer sells IR's up to 500ms. On the other hand you may want you amp recorded without any room and put a reverb after.
I was very close to buy an OX, but instead built a 2m x 1.5m x 1.5m isolation cab/room in the garage. Got two cabinets dualmiced with the sm57 fredman technique. Im Able to crank the amps and listen to studiomonitors or headphones loud or quiet. Only thing missing would be a room-mic, but that can be sorted with reverbpedals or IR's of rooms in DAW😊
Nice episode - great tones and very clear explanations! Would be cool to have a camera showing the Marshall settings as you were tweaking them, or just a verbal indication - sometimes I like to match the settings on mine to see if I can cop similar tones.
The opening jam: Two Notes and Ox were very kind to Dan's Tele while the mic's & room were friendly to Mick's ES. Today I begin my pilgrimage to Schwangrilah. Onward!
I bought a Victory V4 Sheriff and a Two notes Torpedo CabM to meet my needs which is playing with headphones(needs must). The V4 is exceptional, so good. Both channels are great. 1st channel edge of breakup, 2nd channel hot/hot.(Only criticism and the criticism is negated by the two note. Is the lack of clean. The two note can change volume). Glorious I recommend the V4. Not really much to add on the Two Note. It has so many options. I'm really pleased with my sound at the moment. Headphones are Behringer BH470(which has a high bass bias but are great) and Akg 702,
This was awesome and super informative! I have a suggestion for a follow-up video, and that's to do a setup for those of us who can't or don't want to have an amp on stage and want to plug directly into the mixer. I'm thinking specifically about using preamp or amp sim pedals with cab sims and plugging them into a PA speaker and comparing that to using an amp. I'm curious how those two experiences compare for y'all, because y'all know amps super well and I don't. I'm also curious about whether or not there's a difference between analog and digital cab sims in this kind of application.
Great vid guys I love my torpedo, it's changed how I play live and at home, no more useless sound guys with bad mics or waking the baby at night That said here are my tips Using third party IRS like ownhammer or celestion is key, especially if you use the quick starts folder as it makes the two notes virtually plug and play with awesome sounds in 5 seconds. All I wanted was my amp to sound like it does with the cab I own and using the 3rd party IRS I feel I got a good match I use kz zst in ears, they sound really good live and noodling at home, really accurate, natural and balanced and they're only $20!! I found the load part of the torpedo can put strain on smaller amps and reduce headroom, I get the best results and dynamics bypassing the load on my Princeton combo, but that only works for live and not at home That said I try not to run my amps louder into the torpedo than I would live as I have red plated my marshall running it close to full The ox looks and sounds so good! But it's lack of 3rd party IRS means my collection will go to waste
I'd be curious to see a poll among this audience on how they play on a regular basis. Headphones, combo, monitors, 4x12 etc. Maybe even more detailed stats on wattage and volume levels.
@Mick: You are right. The Torpedo does not attenuate. That is why we needed to use the TwoNotes Reload in the TGU video rooms, which is able to attenuate. Greetings Robin
Great show! Very informative, I've been looking into a headphone solution for a hot minute. Love the new space! Would love to see another episode in the future using a Kemper.
I'm Very happy that you guys did this video because this is my guitar experience with guitar usually. I spend most of my time playing through the computer and recording. I like in the burbs in Australia and I am often working late into the night and have to work in silence. It was good to see your experience with this technology. Mick is right , you can't get the real feedback experience without the speaker but it does need to be a guitar speaker as studio monitors react in a different way and can be damaged if you are using them incorrectly. You didn't use the Two Notes Software, it comes with a package similar to the UA so I don't think it was a fair comparison. I would love to see how you go with Virtual amps some time While I use alot of digital stuff in my recordings I do find that there has to be something real in the chain for it to sound real weather it a pedal, A real Amp there has to be something. I and usually recording with pedals before the interface unless I am going into the Real Amps. I cannot however remember the last time I mic'd a cabinet. I am using IR's all the time now I would love to see more videos like this Doug
Get Pete on the show!!!! And also, it kinda seems like the ox is a nobrainer. For people who don’t want to look at their computer all day, and shred instead.
Kudos on all the effort you put into this. I was definitely a bit negative on the previous video. You went above and beyond for this one. Much appreciated.
Great show. I hope to see in future show "how to sound good using IRs live" with Rebea :D please please plase. No matter what device would be used, there are lots of IRs and some of them are mixes of many microphones and with eq ready to play without adjusting such parameters like mics position or adding room mic's. Please :D Please note torpedo is working on an update and there will be available using 2 mic's and room mic's (now this functionality is avicilable too in CAB and Studio, don't know anything about torpedo studio).
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Can i just say that this channel along with the Andertons channel has really brought back a spark for me in guitar playing. I am a professional player and teacher but for a while, I lost that passion for playing for pure enjoyment. This channel has helped so much to bring back my passion for tone and playing. I have also learnt SO much from you guys. It has been so helpful and I really appreciate it. You have helped me in my search for my own sound and what I like... as well as how to set things up and power things correctly etc...
I always look forward to your next video : ). Thanks so much.
Thank you James - we’re super chuffed that we help inspire you. Thank you for the kind words!
The more I watch demo videos on TH-cam, the more I am impressed with the audio quality you guys have in your videos between discussion and playing. Brighter lighting at the new space is a good fit.
THANK YOU MICK! 50:38 - "People are gonna wanna know, should I buy this or this". This is the entire reason I'm here (I like the other vids you guys do too, obv.) But I'm glad you convinced Dan.
2 things.
1) That Pete Thorn video is still one of my favorite guitar things. Dan's primal scream is hilarious.
2) I love that in this, Dan responds to the attenuated Marshall sounds with an attenuated, sotto voce "get in".
Schwangri La needs a t-shirt!
It’s getting one. And it’s a corker!
The more t-shirts the better!!! 😝
I'll buy that for a dolllar!
Better yet, a flanger pedal.
"Schwang-ri-la"
That's it! That's the name of That New Pedal Shed!
You guys are awesome! I've said it before but I have you and Rabea and Chappers to thank for my return to the guitar after a few years of disinterest.
Perhaps: Twangrila.
The Ox is killer. I use it live all the time in combination with a mic’d cab and have my own panned stereo thing going on. Also, the ability to change the rig over to a tweed or champ for a totally new tone is really cool. Also, when front of house says “too loud” its a really easy fix without a total EQ change. Not to mention the 1176 compression is pretty great on the Ox. Once I set my “rigs” on the Ox I haven’t been in the software on the ipad in months.
Coffee and jams from mick and dan. Best way to start a friday morning here in America!
amen brother
The OX, simply the best piece of studio based guitar gear I have ever owned. I swear I took a massive punt on this (Funny how us guitarists don't think twice about splashing out on amps and guitars, but anything slightly leftfield requires a leap of faith ;)). Believe me when I say I blew my budget on this, but it was worth every penny. Within 20 minutes of getting this thing out the box (bearing in mind I don't do any of that digital screens, parameters, guitar software bollocks), It was apparent I'd made the right choice. Now I've got my Sheriff 44 absolutely maxed in my house at neighbour/wife friendly volumes.Amazing, worth every penny ;-)
Awesome! Nice one Frank!
37:49 Dan plus reverb = waking up to a misty morning at an outdoor concert circa 1969. Knowing yesterday was great, but today is going to be glorious. My man.....
Hahahah!! Love it!!
Excellent tip on the Ocean Way Studios plugin. I often take an Apollo Twin on vacation so I can use the amp sims, and having the OWS on an AUX bus really improves that experience.
You guys did a great job with this! Thanks for confirming that buying the OX for quiet recording was a good idea and the info on the Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro's.
Literally just got an ox box and some beyerdynamics earlier this week!
I completely agree with the conversation at 41:21 - It took me 10mins to find a great sound with my blues jnr - but instead of using a 1x12 I use the 4x10 sim with a random combo of on and off axis mics, as it sounds the closest to me listening to the amp in the room (and importantly retains the character of the amp). It'll never feel like the boominess of the walls and air moving in the room but it is great for guilt free silent playing and is better recording option for me, with no sound engineering skills, faffing around with an SM57 +/- a condenser (and then having trouble replicating the results). My early criticism is that it breaks up too easily/artificially with dynamic playing - I haven't yet found a setting that stays as clean as the amp by itself. It would also be nice to be able to change the type of room in the app (like you can in the Ocean Ways plugin).
There is a now a dangerous rabbit hole where I want to buy an AC30 etc... amps I'd never dream of using at home.
PS. Coincidentally one of my friends is the design engineer at Nura (honk) - he was excited to know word is spreading afar! Thanks for plugging an Australian company!
As always boys- excellent vid!
Very poignant video for me, just received my OX on Wednesday! So far, I’m loving it, because it IS DOESN’T GIVE ME OPTION PARALYSIS!
It does what I want for recording, attenuates my amp nicely for practice at home.... BOOM AND DONE!
Cheers!
i think there is more detail in your description box alone then there is most other peoples videos. love it.
A lot of thought & care went into this & it's appreciated. All the more-so 'cos it's not your first choice way of doing things, but you've understood our issues. I want quality sounds, but I don't want to keep my shift working neighbour awake. It's important that he's well rested 'cos he's a fireman.....& my house is on his beat!!
Thanks guys for bring out you latest pedal boards, much appreciated. I hope you can find time to give us a run-through of you boards and how you use them in a gig/rehearsal context when controlled by the G2. I have seen Dan's latest "GigRig" vid talking through the features and benefits of the G2, but I'd love to see how to use the G2 in a practical and musical context. Loved your intro today guys, i hope you bring this in regularly. It's great to hear you doing what you love, with the gear you currently enjoy. Love you new studio, sounding fantastic. cheers
I am struck by the situation we all find ourselves in today in music technology, using devices in a signal chain designed and introduced across 80 decades (1950 - 2018). The human spirit continues to reach for new things.. innovate ... advance and improve, hungry for more and more.... and yet at the same time we hold tightly to what we have loved and cherished, that which has found its way deeply into our hearts, souls and the fiber of our bones. Something new to capture something that we knew. We are odd and silly creatures ... and I love it! Great episode dudes, can't wait till next week.
Mick, the Positive Grid Bias Mini is crazy good, tons of fun, iPad tweakable beyond your wildest dreams, front-end pedal compatible, effects loop, and simple touch and go. Love it! Totally addictive!
Love hearing you both play together! Please more content of you both playing. Sounding great!
Very interesting to get your perspective on this. What's interesting to me as someone who's recently recorded with a progressive metal band is that Dan's obsession with having the guitar in the room with the amp is an absolute anathema to the standard practice for recording in heavier genres. From Metallica to Pantera to more modern artists in the Djent sphere (at least, ones who aren't using Kempers or plugins), as well as our producer's set up at Brighton Electric (where Rabea recorded his album with Toska), the setup is pretty similar. The musician is in the control room and their signal is routed to the amp in the studio, either mic'd with the room or covered in moving blankets in an acoustically dead vocal booth. For our record we even did this with the bass, eschewing the usual DI for a vintage SVT and a 70s Fender Bassman into an 8x10, but again it was mic'd in the studio and I was in the control room to play. Have you guys never had any experience with this kind of setup and, in either case, why do you think so many producers record this way if having the instrument, player and amp in the same room makes such a difference in your opinion?
For sure, when you’re talking about tracking a record there are plenty of reasons for not being in the same room as your amp - not least ear fatigue! These videos are about just normal playing and trying to enjoy it, not necessarily pro recording. However... Couple of things from my point of view - Mick here. For the kind of music I play, the interaction between guitar, amp and human is absolutely essential, so that’s why I like to be in the room. But I’ve been to my fair share of metal tracking sessions and that’s a whole different thing not least because the guitars end up being //vastly// more produced than in other genres, to the point where they often don’t sound much like what’s coming out of the speakers at all. Hence the prevalence of digital solutions in that world, in my opinion. Going back a click or two, again, you’d have to be slightly mad to stand in the room with a cranked Plexi while tracking! So I’m sure it’s a mix of practical and stylistic reasons in those genres. But for me, I want to feel my amp. I want to feel the band for that matter! Though I appreciate that progressive music is rarely recorded like that. Tracking tracking tracking. And to me anyway, boy does it sound like it!
Also. Will just add this... it was also common practise to track segments of chords separately so that the intonation and gain levels could be tweaked between pairs of strings - I’m not kidding! That’s how much some of that particular kind of metal was basically constructed and fixed. And, get ready to be potentially offended but please understand I’m not directing this at you. A lot of those guys frankly weren’t together (or good) enough to play the parts that ended up on the records. So they had to be laboriously tracked in that way. Nobody wanted to stay in the room with that. If I was a producer, I’d want the guy in the control room so I could urge him to play it right.
Now. That happens in every genre and I’ve done more than my fair share of hopelessly bad comped takes. Feed a few producers with a drink or three and ask them about rubbish guitar players. You’ll be there for weeks! :0) That’s why they want you in the control room - they want to finish the record and get paid before they die of old age and or scrapped takes. ;0)
I appreciate the respect you have developed for quiet/attenuated playing. I recently compared digital amp emulations to a live tube amp with a loadbox and speaker emulators and discovered there is still no substitute for real tubes in terms of headroom, responsiveness and sustain.
Schwangri-la! ! No doubt! ! I can only dream of having the talent, passion, and time that encompasses what you guys and your team do on any given day. Schwangri-la indeed good sirs, Schwangri-la indeed.
Thank you guys! It’s wonderful to see you having fun again after the turmoil of the work on Schwangri-La. Some thoughts:
1) Mick, you will probably say it’s not your ambition, but you would be a very good band producer: asking the right questions in the right way and keeping the focus, and of course your phenomenal knowledge.
2) The Bad Bob is - again - convincing.
3) There are basically 3 guitar uses: band situation, practice at home, studio time (TH-cam guitar playing is not really a seperate category as it sort of combines these). I want to point out to other viewers that in all three of these situations, owning these devices is not necessary to achieve what you want to. If you want to play or record at home, there are other options that will presumably match your expectations. Also, be aware of the fact that any software-related product will - at one point - ask you money for updates. This being said, hats off to you guys for this marvellous in-depth video and to the makers of these wonderful devices for their innovative achievements.
I like you Tom - Mick here. Thank you for the kind words. As it goes, I am doing a little production at the moment for a couple of our friends and - gadzooks - us! Totally agree with the three uses thing. I was talking to Dan about a show on headspace. Have no idea how we do it. It came up because I was reflecting on how we feel when we’re making these videos. Loose, easy, fun, nothing heavy. When I play live or record proper music
- not sure about Dan - everything changes. Music is really serious for me. As pretentious as it sounds, it’s deep; it’s art. It’s expression and release. Wonder if there is a show in that. Or if I’ll just come off like a mentalist. :0)
Your mic + room sounds are so lifelike! It really sounds like amps in a room! The sims are killer too!
Mick and his COMICALLY large water bottle. Gets bigger every filming day
Hydration is key
Either that or he's shrinking...
oansun That's not water....
nobodyhere C Major, I believe.
33:52 I heard that “yes, yes, yes...” in another video - but somehow I can’t recall which one exactly. It was probably not on TH-cam then ;)
Love the show, really amazing. You both are doing so much for everyone. Before I started watching these shows I never had a pedalboard, I just had one multi effects pedal and thought that’s it, and all I need. But since watching your shows I’ve got inspired and now got a pedalboard with various types of pedals. Thanks to that pedal show. 🎸
Ah, that’s great Mark, thanks so much :)
Excited for this one, always been interested in your opinions on this sort of thing.
P.S. I saw Julian Lage this week and he is, first and foremost, an astonishingly good guitarist - but also gets an unbelievable tone from a '54 Tele and a '50something Fender Champ and not much else that I could see. Would love a show about jazz tones - get Nels Cline or Julian on!
Saw him a few times as well and I'm a big fan of Julian (no to mention Nels, which I adore), but I must tell You he uses some pedals when playing with his trio, even with the new Nels Cline quartet. He's not a tweaker just a "set and go" player. Last time I saw a Strymon Flint, Tube Dreamer and a booster some kind of, but those were never tweaked during the whole performance, they are just situated where the amp is.
Ah that's fair. I couldn't see the stage floor, just the top of the amp. What a glorious tone.
Dan in cans, smiling. Who would have thunk it :-)
Great episode gents!
7:40 Two-Notes product line kind of sucks to put it mildly. All products have different features. So if you want adjustable attenuator and revamping features, you need the Torpedo Reload, but then it doesn’t load IRs, so you either need to run an IR loader plugin in your DAW or you need the Two-Notes C.A.B. - you would think the high-end top of the line Torpedo Studio would do it all, from adjustable attenuation, to reamping with level match, or loading IRs, etc... but no, it doesn’t!
I did look a lot into it and I came to conclusion the Torpedo Reload does fit the best because of the attenuators and revamping features, and it’s cheaper then the studio, even if you add the C.A.B. box to have IRs in real-time without computer. I just wish they would make a Torpedo Reload II with the C.A.B. Integrated to be simpler and all-in-one box.
Edit: correcting some stupid autocorrect from the iPad. Guess what, autocorrect sucks pretty bad too!
Phil Smith It’s all so confusing as to what someone “needs”... is the OX a replacement/competitor for what Torpedo product? Would an OX be a great thing for home noodling or just overkill for someone not really in a band or doing just minor recording? I guess the real question is - have a nice amp... is the OX just if I was going to record and hop into the whole recording thing? Hate to spend $1300 on an ox just to use as an attenuator.
It's indeed quite complicated to figure out, but I think it's really up to everyone to really dig, study each product (even try them if they can) and then figure out what is "best" for their use. My own conclusions for myself might not be true and applicable for someone else. So on the previous post, I really wanted to mean I came to conclusion _for my use_... it's absolutely not an overall conclusion for everyone. I just wanted to be sure to mention it just in case there was any misunderstanding that can so easily and often happen in a quick comment.
So now, regarding the product, here's some of the bit bullet points I would see (in no particular order):
- If one is only looking for an attenuator for his tube amp, there's plenty of cheaper solution out there, from basic loadbox that will reduce by -6, -12, -18 and even -30db, maybe some variable ajustement, etc.. So if it's only to play quiet at home and still enjoy a tube amp, there's solution from Soldano/JetCity attenuator, to Two-Notes Captor, Suhr loadbox, etc... again, they all have different specs and use, so but there's existing solutions for sure.
- For the Torpedo and Ox, they're more than just loadbox or attenuator, their goal goes beyond and they're more useful for silent recording. So if one has no interest in home recording, there's probably no interest to spend that much money in those products. However, if you want to record (even on a hobbyist level), I do believe that's very nice products that could be very useful... and even at at very high professional quality level. Once well setup, you can just get a tone that is (IMHO) just as good as mic-ing a real cab in a room. Because not everyone has a good room, a set of good mics with good preamps, nor even the knowledge to how to really mic a cab properly to get a good tone (sometimes, if you just move a little bit the mic, you will get a complete different tone. It's a real job to become a "recording engineer").
- So those Ox and Torpedo could actually help this kind of process to record at home. If you're using Apple iOS/MacOS products, the Ox will work fine. However, if you're a Windows or Android user, then it might be a big no-go. Also it's two different approach since the Torpedo is around working using "Impulse Response" (IRs) while the Ox is using modeling done by Universal Audio. So if you're a tweaker and like to use different type of cab, speaker, mic, etc... you can have plenty of IRs from both the Two-Notes store or from 3rd party developers (such Celestion, OwnHammer, Sigma Audio, etc...).
- You can actually even make your own one. Pete Thorn did a good video about that. So, you can get the advantage to have a perfect settings done in a great high-end studio room, with high-end mic and preamp, placed perfectly by a good sound engineer... and it will just be a single recall of a file/preset. For the Ox, you have less options, but sometimes less is good too and makes the choices easier and can be adjusted directly from the interface. It's sad that they didn't use the "Wall of Sound" plugin interface to control the Torpedo because it's just as intuitive as the Ox IMHO, but again, some people might argue differently. It's really personal choices and opinions. So it's better for anyone to just check them and judge by themselves. Rabea did a good video to show the Wall of Sound/Torpedo interface and what you can do and how you can control the Torpedo. Maybe it would help.
Long story short, there's different solutions and it might be worth to spend some time to check them, watch more video about each product before to spend over $1,000 in something. Just make sure it would work _FOR YOU_.
I hope I make sense.
Cheers!
Even without the autocorrect, that is still incomprehensible to me.
I just plug my board into a Bad Monkey and use the cab em in the "mixer out".
I don't understand all this "IR" and DAW stuff.
Matt Gilbert then I guess you need to go learn the basics about IRs and recording to have a better picture of the signal path and what it all mean. There are plenty of videos on YT about it, it shouldn’t be too complicated to find.
46 years old, full-time job, family...
...no time.
SCHWANGRI-LA!!! Yes!!!!
Got to be a t-shirt with Dan as Buddha?
A minute and a half into the video, and I prefer the live amps and room mics. Great show as always guys!
Really interesting guys! I use a torpedo CAB pedal which is a little more user-friendly than the torpedo studio. It can be used in conjunction with a real cab, and sound guys love the isolated ‘mic’d up’ guitar signal! It’s even better when loaded with celestion impulse responses (best on the market in my opinion).
You have the option of using two mics on one cabinet on the two note. By default it’s one mic left and another right (stereo). Choose to use for an example physical output Right and set the two notes to “dry/dual mic in the output menu. Then you can blend the volume on each mic. I think that the volume blend/mic placement should be done from the computer app though.
What could be interesting is to record a amp and cabinet with one or two mics and at the same time make an IR of that exact same setup and then compare the two sounds.
Regards
Mikkel
Great to see that gap bridged between ideal world and rest of the world sound capturing/immersing.
Lot's of interesting alternatives to explore.
Great work guys! Vast improvement on the previous direct video
Mick and Dan jam! So good!!! Every intro could/should be this way...just saying
I’m glad this has come up now. I’ve recently gone to putting my pedalboard into a clean Suhr Corso with the line out running to a BluBox and then to my interface. I can’t remember when I last used used my speaker cab now.
Only problem is now I’m starting to go down a rabbit hole of monitors and as this has highlighted, headphones!
With my Hi-Tone (Hiwatt repro) 50 watter I can attenuate either via the amp’s own VVR circuit (reduces voltage in the power stage) or a PowerStation. The VVR turns the amp tonally into a blackface Fender Deluxe with a Mid knob. Gotta keep the master vol down, though, to avoid overcompressing the amp and roasting the VVR components to boot. The PowerStation OTOH keeps the Hiwatt character intact but this means the power tubes wear out a lot faster. Hiwatts sound glorious with the channel & master vols both at ~3 o’clock! The PowerStation’s tone knobs & Bright/Warm switches are a huge plus in getting a great sound at a small-room friendly volume.
What an opening jam! Such a groove
The "Yeah come on!" at 34:12 made me happy that the guys gave direct another shot.
That opening Jam was delicious and I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of it thank you :) Also tremendously impressed with the UAD Ox
Yeah the Two notes will allow for multiple mics, multiple positions within a room however you need a pc/laptop hooked up to it.
TPS Broadcasting to you from Schwangri-La! Sounds like the name of your new place. As always enjoyed the show!
Loved that OX. I have to play speaker-less and this was an ear opener. Thanks again, lads.
Thank you for diving down this rabbit hole.
Oh man, Nuraphones. I had to order a pair after this video! I really hope to finally be able to enjoy playing guitar through headphones. Thanks guys.
Speaking of Pete, he'd be a great resource to have on the show for a show-and-tell for how he does low-volume stuff and has it sound amazing (tracking with a real amp into a load box + cab IRs, etc).
Also, if you haven't listened to Pete Thorn II yet, do it now -- it's amazing. (=
That intro jam is on ANOTHER LEVEL GENTS!
Cheers Zac ;)
"Dan and I aren't big fans of reality."
I reject your reality, and substitute my own!
Reality is a distortion of perception brought about by a lack of intoxicants ...
I’m thinking Torpedo Reload is closer to the OX than the Studio in practice but in terms of features the OX is situated in somewhere between the Studio and Reload.
The dry sound from the Torpedo sounded better to me than than the OX. Could just be the impulse response files.
I’d be curious to hear each box run through identical IRs.
It is ALL about musical inspiration not tech frustration! I'm with Mick on that point!
Mick, I love your honesty.
Cheers Patrick. It’s a fine line having an opinion. Because most of the planet disagrees with you when you do. But I figure it’s better to have something to disagree with than a load of vanilla marketing regurgitation at the end of the day. :0)
That Pedal Show Well said sir!
It always bugs me when people say "that's just your opinion, man"
It's that little word "just" - that's the flaw. It's similar to the "all value judgements are subjective" claim. Well, if that's true then is *that* claim merely subjective?
As the late Robert Pirsig wrote:
"Between Subject and Object lies the Value"
I'm sick of watching adults lie and pander to kids all over youtube. This and tonymckenziecom are where I have to go to find adults that actually can play and have some actual experience...and honesty.
Great jam at the beginning blokes!
This episode seems to prove whats been said of the OX…a great sound quick with easy tweak ability. Neither sounded the same as miked .The OX sounded different but damn good. Sounding good, I think , is what matters most…different or not. Great show guys!
I'd agree Glenn. That's 20 per cent of it. The other 80 is what you play and whether it's worth playing in the first place. On a semi-serious note, Dan and I have to remind ourselves from time to time that all this is for nothing if we're not actually trying to say something with the music itself. Outside of TPS of course. Not much music here! :0)
What timing I've just ordered (last night) a Two Notes Torpedo Captor. Been wanting to pull the trigger for weeks. Can't wait to try it now. Arrives Tuesday. Hopefully her indoors will be outdoors when it arrives. Otherwise I'll cop it.
You guys have a lot to answer for.
Another entertaining and informative video.
Cheers
Hi, Mark here :-)
Great video guys, its a shame you couldn't get to know the Two Notes a bit more before and use the remote for the computer as you can do a lot more than what you guys did (which you did say)
I have the Two Notes Torpedo Live and it is a great bit of kit for home use to crank your amp.
Keep these awesome show coming!
Use it as well, its an awesome piece of kit. Yes like everything else you have to spend a little time with it, not every cab suits every amp .But there is plenty to choose from and moving the mic around and using different mics really helps dial it in. I always A/B with my live cabs to make sure its as close as possible. They defiantly needed to spend more time with the 2 notes and use the free app when you get the 2 notes.
The Ox with the Marshall sounds amazing!!
I find for running IRs I have to be sitting in front of the monitors. Every cab sim I have used did not seem to give me tight muted tones with medium gain. It took me quite a while and selling stuff I did not need to sell to work out all I had to do was apply a high pass filter. It gets rid of a little of the proximity effect that I think is the reason IRs and cab sims can seem a little boomy.
Yes! Medium gain seems to be the thing that brings them unstuck. High gain seems to be fine but the juicy medium gain tones seem harder to nail
With the headphones on, it was like getting a preview of That Pedal Show in in 25 years when Mick and Dan are hard of hearing :)
Thanks guys for demoing and trialing this digital gear today." Giving it a good crack in Schwang-ri-la"
Dan, your playing went to another level when you started playing with your " music listening" cans..you had fun. Well worth looking into for practising and having fun, but not for recording. " Careful with those cans Eugene", you'll hurt yourself. You need reference headphones for recording, and I don't think you would enjoy those as much as your new cans. I'm sure you guys will work this digital domain out eventually, as the gear is getting better. Great summary and running the gear Mick. I learn't that I'd like the OX and your groovy cans, as i could have fun at any time of day/night.
thanks guys, cheers
Proper gear festival boys. Well played.
Would love to see you guys experiment with the Built-in cab filter on the Big Sky! It’s saved me on more than one gig when no decent amps were available.
Gonna help so much when I'm cooped up in a small room in Scotland for a few months!
My issue with Two notes WOS is that the plugin software constantly locks you out if you haven't used it for a week or two .....and you end up having to reset your PW time and time again ....even though you have paid the licence agreement ( pay heed two notes!)....really annoying !!!! great show chaps .....BTW it is possible to get a great guitar sound through headphones ......but its important to note though that guitar in isolation is a different beast to lets say tracking a guitar over a backing track or song you are working on ......thats much more about constant eq tweaking to get it to sit in a mix well while feeling what your playing.....interesting then to switch back to isolated guitar which now sounds awful ....but sounds amazing within the track....Just an observation!!!!
Does it use iLok? That's the most irritating PoS to ever hit the world of audio plugins
As somebody in the market for the OX or the TwoNotes Studio, I really appreciated Micks tough decision at 50:00. In the end however, I think I will be sticking with a mic on the cabs
you had me in the first 10 seconds. What an awesome opening jam. :))
Dans face at 34:44 said it all. Big improvement in vibe.
LAST NIGHT! I came to the conclusion that I need to move my recording situation in this direction. THANK GOD for TPS.
No, thank Dan & Mick, no sense in thanking any of the approximately 320,000,000 made up god´s, flying pink elephants, Harry Potter, or anything else that´s made up. Obviously! :-D
Honestly, If I'm home and using headphones for night time practice I don't mind using an old line 6 pod I have around...It even takes pedals quite well. If I'm serious about tone, the only thing that is going to beat a cranked tube amp are going to be two cranked tube amps.
Love when Dan does the swang face!!! Dan those headphones are really expensive aren't they???????
Yeah, but I love music so I’m happy to invest in something that makes it more enjoyable. They’re £350
Yes, but for how much Dan liked them I think they are a bargain. They have pedals that would cost more than that and almost all the cabs, amps and guitars cost far more. The Grado GS1000 over ear headphones are £1000, still less than a lot of the other equipment. If you are playing through headphones all the time, it is worth it.
Great jam, appreciate the humbucker love!
Good Lord!!! I’m less than 3 minutes in and you’re both sounding AWESOME!!!!
Well done! Really good revisit. The headphones and the reverb (no matter how you achieved it) made a huge difference, which is what many commenters said last time. But the reverb really needs to go onto the headphones for your monitoring only. If you put the extra reverb into the mix and listeners are using speakers in a room, they get yet another layer of reverb from the room they are listening in. In my case, I always listen to youtube through headphones and always have some reverb dialled in to give it some "space". When you put the reverb on the Ox or the Two Notes, it was overkill until I dialled out the reverb on my own headphones. You really don't want the "compensation reverb" to go into the mix.
LOVE my BeyerDynamics! All headphones are different though and each persons hearing range is different. Just like open cab/ closed back cabs, v30's, greenbacks, creambacks, Jensens, 12" drivers, 10" drivers, front ported, rear ported blah blah blah.
I use two notes with custom IR's and I think you need some kind of reverb to have it sound more natural. The IR's are truncated down to 18ms I believe, this means you can't get reverb from room mic IR's, they will only make a tonal difference. It would have been really nice to be able to use longer IR's for natural room reverb, OwnHammer sells IR's up to 500ms. On the other hand you may want you amp recorded without any room and put a reverb after.
I was very close to buy an OX, but instead built a 2m x 1.5m x 1.5m isolation cab/room in the garage.
Got two cabinets dualmiced with the sm57 fredman technique.
Im Able to crank the amps and listen to studiomonitors or headphones loud or quiet. Only thing missing would be a room-mic, but that can be sorted with reverbpedals or IR's of rooms in DAW😊
Ah man, that’s awesome!
Nice episode - great tones and very clear explanations! Would be cool to have a camera showing the Marshall settings as you were tweaking them, or just a verbal indication - sometimes I like to match the settings on mine to see if I can cop similar tones.
The opening jam: Two Notes and Ox were very kind to Dan's Tele while the mic's & room were friendly to Mick's ES.
Today I begin my pilgrimage to Schwangrilah. Onward!
Hello. In case of the Torpedo . You can put a Volume pedal in the Fx loop of the Amp to attenuate. Same Effekt ;)
I bought a Victory V4 Sheriff and a Two notes Torpedo CabM to meet my needs which is playing with headphones(needs must). The V4 is exceptional, so good. Both channels are great. 1st channel edge of breakup, 2nd channel hot/hot.(Only criticism and the criticism is negated by the two note. Is the lack of clean. The two note can change volume). Glorious I recommend the V4. Not really much to add on the Two Note. It has so many options. I'm really pleased with my sound at the moment. Headphones are Behringer BH470(which has a high bass bias but are great) and Akg 702,
This is sounding stellar! Get it Dan🤟👍✌️
You two are rapidly making 'The Doug & Pat Show" seem 21st-century... :))))))
This was awesome and super informative!
I have a suggestion for a follow-up video, and that's to do a setup for those of us who can't or don't want to have an amp on stage and want to plug directly into the mixer. I'm thinking specifically about using preamp or amp sim pedals with cab sims and plugging them into a PA speaker and comparing that to using an amp. I'm curious how those two experiences compare for y'all, because y'all know amps super well and I don't. I'm also curious about whether or not there's a difference between analog and digital cab sims in this kind of application.
Mick's intro tone is so Southern Harmony & Musical Companion
I think it would be more "even" if you had the Two Notes Torpedo Reload since it's the Two Notes product that is similar to the OX.
TFI TPS! Only a few minutes in & I’m smiling & nearly forgetting that downstairs lurk the sticky remains of my son’s 18th birthday party.
Great vid guys
I love my torpedo, it's changed how I play live and at home, no more useless sound guys with bad mics or waking the baby at night
That said here are my tips
Using third party IRS like ownhammer or celestion is key, especially if you use the quick starts folder as it makes the two notes virtually plug and play with awesome sounds in 5 seconds. All I wanted was my amp to sound like it does with the cab I own and using the 3rd party IRS I feel I got a good match
I use kz zst in ears, they sound really good live and noodling at home, really accurate, natural and balanced and they're only $20!!
I found the load part of the torpedo can put strain on smaller amps and reduce headroom, I get the best results and dynamics bypassing the load on my Princeton combo, but that only works for live and not at home
That said I try not to run my amps louder into the torpedo than I would live as I have red plated my marshall running it close to full
The ox looks and sounds so good! But it's lack of 3rd party IRS means my collection will go to waste
I'd be curious to see a poll among this audience on how they play on a regular basis. Headphones, combo, monitors, 4x12 etc. Maybe even more detailed stats on wattage and volume levels.
@Mick: You are right. The Torpedo does not attenuate. That is why we needed to use the TwoNotes Reload in the TGU video rooms, which is able to attenuate.
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Robin
Great show! Very informative, I've been looking into a headphone solution for a hot minute. Love the new space! Would love to see another episode in the future using a Kemper.
I'm Very happy that you guys did this video because this is my guitar experience with guitar usually. I spend most of my time playing through the computer and recording. I like in the burbs in Australia and I am often working late into the night and have to work in silence. It was good to see your experience with this technology.
Mick is right , you can't get the real feedback experience without the speaker but it does need to be a guitar speaker as studio monitors react in a different way and can be damaged if you are using them incorrectly.
You didn't use the Two Notes Software, it comes with a package similar to the UA so I don't think it was a fair comparison.
I would love to see how you go with Virtual amps some time
While I use alot of digital stuff in my recordings I do find that there has to be something real in the chain for it to sound real weather it a pedal, A real Amp there has to be something. I and usually recording with pedals before the interface unless I am going into the Real Amps.
I cannot however remember the last time I mic'd a cabinet. I am using IR's all the time now
I would love to see more videos like this
Doug
Get Pete on the show!!!! And also, it kinda seems like the ox is a nobrainer. For people who don’t want to look at their computer all day, and shred instead.
great intro jam guys!! loved it!
Kudos on all the effort you put into this. I was definitely a bit negative on the previous video. You went above and beyond for this one. Much appreciated.
Damn! Mick’s tone in that intro lick is ace! 🤤
Shwangri-La! Love it!
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Great show. I hope to see in future show "how to sound good using IRs live" with Rebea :D please please plase. No matter what device would be used, there are lots of IRs and some of them are mixes of many microphones and with eq ready to play without adjusting such parameters like mics position or adding room mic's. Please :D Please note torpedo is working on an update and there will be available using 2 mic's and room mic's (now this functionality is avicilable too in CAB and Studio, don't know anything about torpedo studio).