Btw, If you guys aren’t actually interested in hearing opinions from me or don’t want to discuss anything in the future, just let me know and I won’t comment lol. I just enjoy having conversations with people I disagree with and who care about growing in understanding.
There a number of examples here of what psychologists refer to as having a “out-group” and “in-group” bias which basically says: “if someone is outside of my group, it’s because they are a morally corrupt or dumb person’, and vice versa: ‘Ingroup bias’ which says: ‘When someone is part of my group, it’s because they are a good and smart person’. This is not the kind of attitude Jesus ever had or taught but it’s hard not to have this attitude and be a conservative evangelical. I know because I was one. When you claim to have a system of morality that is superior to everyone else and that you are morally superior to everyone else, that non-Christians have no reason to be loving or moral, that when non-Christians are loving and moral, they are just appropriating their morality from Christianity, *THIS* kind of attitude is precisely what hurts and divides people and this is the kind of thing that is incredibly frustrating to non-Christian’s about religion, (conservative evangelicalism specifically because they are the most blatant about it). Not just because none of it is true, but because this kind of “Christian morality” is precisely a cause of evil in the world and they are unwilling to think differently or admit that their ideologies are harmful no matter what. It seems to me that this kind of Christian morality is actually pretty arrogant even though evangelicals may believe they are being humble because their definition of humility, as well as “morality”, is by following scripture *no matter what* rather than thinking critically and following the actual evidence and that’s precisely what non-Christians like myself find so disturbing about it. Conservative evangelicals are specifically frustrating because they put all their energy in defending values that make the least amount of sense (their politics, young earth creationism, fighting against social equality, the end times, etc) and they put very little energy into the things that are actually important and beautiful and special about Christianity, things like being unconditionally loving and inclusive, focusing on the teachings and character of Jesus, seeing the image of God in all people, etc. I’m often reminded of the quote from Gandhi that so many non-Christian’s can relate to when he says: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” There was a lot that was said about the origin of the universe and about naturalism. If you ever want to have a discussion about why theism, (although intuitively easy to grasp as you mention), might be mistaken, and why so many people today are becoming convinced of naturalism, that’s something I would genuinely love to talk about anytime and what my reasons are if you are actually interested. Online or in person. It is not my goal to convince you, I genuinely do not wish to convert anyone to my views, it’s only my goal to arouse - to challenge others to think critically and not be so dependent upon faith for their views where it’s unnecessary.
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Thanks again for your comments! I appreciate your willingness to think deeply and challenge others.
Btw, If you guys aren’t actually interested in hearing opinions from me or don’t want to discuss anything in the future, just let me know and I won’t comment lol. I just enjoy having conversations with people I disagree with and who care about growing in understanding.
There a number of examples here of what psychologists refer to as having a “out-group” and “in-group” bias which basically says:
“if someone is outside of my group, it’s because they are a morally corrupt or dumb person’, and vice versa: ‘Ingroup bias’ which says: ‘When someone is part of my group, it’s because they are a good and smart person’. This is not the kind of attitude Jesus ever had or taught but it’s hard not to have this attitude and be a conservative evangelical. I know because I was one.
When you claim to have a system of morality that is superior to everyone else and that you are morally superior to everyone else, that non-Christians have no reason to be loving or moral, that when non-Christians are loving and moral, they are just appropriating their morality from Christianity, *THIS* kind of attitude is precisely what hurts and divides people and this is the kind of thing that is incredibly frustrating to non-Christian’s about religion, (conservative evangelicalism specifically because they are the most blatant about it). Not just because none of it is true, but because this kind of “Christian morality” is precisely a cause of evil in the world and they are unwilling to think differently or admit that their ideologies are harmful no matter what.
It seems to me that this kind of Christian morality is actually pretty arrogant even though evangelicals may believe they are being humble because their definition of humility, as well as “morality”, is by following scripture *no matter what* rather than thinking critically and following the actual evidence and that’s precisely what non-Christians like myself find so disturbing about it. Conservative evangelicals are specifically frustrating because they put all their energy in defending values that make the least amount of sense (their politics, young earth creationism, fighting against social equality, the end times, etc) and they put very little energy into the things that are actually important and beautiful and special about Christianity, things like being unconditionally loving and inclusive, focusing on the teachings and character of Jesus, seeing the image of God in all people, etc. I’m often reminded of the quote from Gandhi that so many non-Christian’s can relate to when he says:
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
There was a lot that was said about the origin of the universe and about naturalism. If you ever want to have a discussion about why theism, (although intuitively easy to grasp as you mention), might be mistaken, and why so many people today are becoming convinced of naturalism, that’s something I would genuinely love to talk about anytime and what my reasons are if you are actually interested. Online or in person. It is not my goal to convince you, I genuinely do not wish to convert anyone to my views, it’s only my goal to arouse - to challenge others to think critically and not be so dependent upon faith for their views where it’s unnecessary.