I'll consider mythbusters an accurate test of a movie stunt when they can also reproduce the conditions of firing 200+ rounds from a 20-round magazine without reloading.
Pause the Video at around 0:29 and you can see how thick the floor in underworld is, its two layers, and whatever else is in the middle. The floor looks like its a foot thick and people are complaining that the Mythbusters made theirs too strong?.
Not to mention the entire perimeter of the circle would have to give way at the exact same time to fall through as perfect as it does in the movie. If one side were to break before the other you might get a pretty messy and painful landing.
Even if it did give way all at once...It'd still probably hurt quite a bit to land like that, and most people would fall over anyways. Wouldn't be much worse if one side gave way, as long as you managed not to land face first.
In the movie it appears the floor is covered with tile and plywood and along the two red lines at 0:28 looks to be the only spots where the floor joists are. In the test, they had extra support from extra floor joists so they had more material to shoot through. As for the types of bullets used.. yeah, looks like the handgun's bullets were making bigger holes in the tile than the holes made by the gun used in the test in the plywood.
You can't believe everything you see on Mythbusters. I remember a show where they "proved" that a bus can't jump over a gap in the freeway as it does in the movie "Speed", but in a behind the scenes-sequence for that film, the filmmakers say the jump was real, but the hole was not there - it was added with CGI in post-production.
Yes, because no floors ever have support beams... Though, I would say if you were in the middle between two supports, and had enough ammo, time and/or strong enough weapon, you could do so.
+tigeress da dog with the floor joist, the strapping, the tile, and the ceiling on the underside of the floor? with 9mm..or 40 cal? ...you will need a lot of them and a lot of time (grammar edit)
@Deviantblade88 Magazines, by definition, are ammunition dispensers that contain a spring loaded follower. Belt fed firearms held together by links are essentially clip fed weapons and there is no shortage of them.
@slayerofkin There were support beams in the movie. If you look at the movie scene you can see she shoots through a cavity floor, which is only practical if you use timber joists, especially if you have such a heavy floor system like ceramic tiles.
@slayerofkin I cant say about your first point but for the others I think you're wrong. The gun Torry uses in my humble opinion is more powerful than the two guns she is using in the movie. What does being a vampire have to do with anything? And last - that was the only way to perforate it and he still had to jump on the floor to brake it
@esh325 Concrete starts to go quicker than you'd think, but yeah, the hollow points would probably just distribute the damage over a wider but shallower space, but I wasn't aware of how good the accuracy was on the MP5, thanks for the info.
@slayerofkin 1) If you pause the footage in Underworld you can see 2 support beams 2) An mp5 is more powerful than the twin berettas that Seline was using, even with the barrel extensions 3) They're seeing if this stunt would work in the real world. I think that discounts vampirism 4) And being in the real world, nobody can move a fully automatic weapon accurately enough to trace a perfect circle without going back over previous lines
@Son0fHobs Yea, the floor was like 40cm concrete and it probably had a metal support frame in it! You know it was probably old soviet era building, if i remember it correctly. Either way it surely wasnt a wood.
@itachi6677 wrong. a 9mm bullet from a handgun is hardly comparable to say a similar bullet from a sniper rifle, as the length of the bullets are completely different (no generally they do not make 9mm snipers but there have been one or two over the years) unless you really mean 9x19mm
@coraxeian At any rate you replied 'a clip is something that bullets can be packaged on' So since a magazine feeds rounds into a weapon, a clip would be useless for anything other than carrying ammunition in BEFORE you put it into a magazine so the magazine can feed the rounds into the gun. unless it's a belt fed weapon. So even then the clips would only be useful until you loaded your magazine, which would be right before you went into combat. Who goes into combat without enough magazines?
not to mention if she damaged the floor directly underneath her too its possible, besides tory didnt manage a decent spread around he focused on areas not to mention cement can be britle in places where it doesnt have rebar or any other form of inbuilt support framework. if they had a higher calibre even in the movie as well itd be more plausable but again thats a different gun as you said that can shoot through a cow, only ones that could do that is a 50 cal, 12gauge slug and a few others too
Don't forget that heroes in movies have unlimited ammo. You could also try 50 caliber ammo on a weak floor without the stupid support beams getting in the way.
I guarantee they used FMJ, its the cheapest 9mm you can get, and it's penetration is far better than hollowpoints in most cases anyway, and concrete flooring would be a hell of a lot harder to break through than plywood regardless of how run down the building was. Any heavily customized weapons and ammunition the movie characters used either A: wouldn't change the end result or B: don't exist.
@pontaduck87 Yea, I agree, I'd like to point out however that penetration power doesn't always mean damage. That's the problem with 9mm rounds because of the high velocity and low weight not as much kinetic energy is delivered on impact, it just punches through. But yea it's absurd to think someone could shoot through a floor like that. She did look nice doin it tho
Well, like someone else said, they both use similar rounds, plus the guns she had would not have managed to cut through a floor using their own little 16 round magazines, I'd say this is pretty accurate.
@DragonoftheEastblue3 yea but the myth was using a pistol... so the mp5 is a pretty big jump already the idea is to be practical not to go as overboard as possible
@pontaduck87 But BTW...higher penetration power would actually make it LESS likely to blow you in half...because the bullet will simply pass through you doing very little damage. How, if the bullet has lower penetrating power, it is much more likely to bend, tumble, rip and shred through your tissue, making a much bigger hole on the other side.
Yeah, but wood splits while stone shatters. The rebar would just become exposed, but since it would have less surrounding stone to balance the weight, the rods would probably bend and break. Plus, she's have probably shot the rebar as well a few times, so they'd already be weakened.
in underworld it's wood in the middle with concert on the top and bottom with tiling. the wood would give out under the weight of both the person and concert pulling and pushing and that is not counting on how old in the movie the building is. seeing as it has plaster walls { the lycans hitting the floor when she is holding the corvin against the wall and plaster falls from the ceiling} . plaster walls where stop being used in 1950 so the building as of the time of the movie would be 53+ years old or older. meaning both the wood and concert would be old and worn. so yes shooting thru a floor this old or older to drop down a floor is plausible.
***** Oh would they? Too bad the floors in the movie were masonry. The gun (a Beretta 92FS chambered in 9x19 para) she was using may not have a magazine with a high enough capacity to do what she did, but the Myth Busters (MBs) would have gotten a lot closer if they had used hollow points. Now, the gun the MBs used was an MP5, and while I don't know what it was chambered in (likely 9mm) I know the round weren't hollow points. Soooo I'm just gonna stop there and let you reflect on how I'm still right.
Watch the scene in the movie. It's not wood. It's also not right over a beam. And yes, hollow points, because they're vampires shooting fucking werewolves. Penetration means very little in this test, what they need is exactly the type of spread (and bigger hole) a hollowpoint would cause, so yes, hollowpoints. Thanks for explaining what I already obviously know. You're wrong.
Look at the floor in the movie. It's thin. Hollow points would do exactly what I described: Punch a big hole. Way to get butthurt about being wrong though. Truly a sign of a great mind.
***** I never claimed that 40 rounds would be enough, or that the holes would be the size they are there, just that Myth Busters totally failed at recreating this myth accurately. Ya done now?
FfejTball I'd like to make a few comments in an organized fashion here, and both of you bring up valid points, there's no need for uncivilized name calling. TwoOne is correct about the fact that hollow point rounds create less damage to plywood. Hollow point rounds when met with human flesh "balloon" and then shatter, causing more damage as small fragments spiral outward, but this effect would not occur against plywood as plywood does not form fit. The hollow point would shatter quickly, disperse and overall create less impact on plywood. Against soft targets Hollow Point and Hydra Shock rounds are extremely effective, but against hard targets normal bullets are much better. One thing that seems to have come off as confusing was the width - both the penetrating power and the width of the holes made would increase with normal rounds, whereas both would be reduced by hollow points. Hollow points are specifically used on airplanes for this reason as well, since their destructive ability on hard targets (like the thin walls of planes) are minimal by comparison. Though not film accurate, mythbusters will often substitute the next grade higher and considering the results were poor with the more functional round, testing with hollow points would be redundant. It is also impossible to be entirely accurate because, if I recall correctly, the story suggested that the bullets used by the vampires were custom made and specialized for werewolf hunting and their construction was wholly unique. I have not confirmed this, I've only seen that movie once. However, I do agree with Ffej about how the simulated construction was poor. The materials and the design are in question, they do not seem similar and furthermore they did not account for one major factor - wood rot or age. This floor is new, whereas if I remember correctly the building she was in was noticeably older. These factors are curiously overlooked and not representative of mythbusters usual attention to detail.
@angya777 Doesn't matter if its more powerful, he wasn't using the same gun. She is a Vampire who has lived hundreds of years as a warrior. I'm just saying its a silly myth to do. Testing the abilities of fictional beings and all. Also, a SMG doesn't necessarily have more stopping power then a handgun, and because it was automatic half of each round was just hitting the same spot.
They should make a machine to shoot enough holes to make a circle around a human sized target so you don't have the aim of the shooter to take into the equation, its pretty simple really it would be much easier (though possibly dangerous i'll admit) to shoot a "circle" around you if your standing right in the middle then you standing from any other location and trying to shoot the circle.
I think it would depend on what round was used. Some ammunition could do more damage than others. I don't mean caliber, but a defensive round of some sort or something.
Nothing can absorb the momentum though. Even if the spring turns the kinetic energy into heat, the spring itself is still pushed backed, and with it the gun, and thus whoever is holding it. It may be passed to the shooter over a longer period of time, making it easier to stay standing, but all the momentum is still eventually transferred.
@pyrewyrm to be atleast one support running athwartship (possibly two?). This support's material of contruction would be the defining point. One note is that it appears quite tall for the usual wood flooring you would find today. In addition, there appears to be a pipe or conduit running fore and aft. If this were made of steel, it would pose a problem... Cast iron, then probably not. While not executed to the level of accuracy of replicating the movie shot to a satisfying degree, I would say
The building was old, run down and had a concrete floor, and try using either FMJ rounds or hollow points. I want to see them do a revisit of this myth with a more accurate model of the floor and taking the fact the vampire coven uses heavily customized weapons and ammunition.
@hazu007 Grant is the one who said "Tori gets to live our his CS fantasy". I doubt Tori would play CS though, Grant is probably projecting himself onto Tori.
Celine use just 2 cartridges equivalent to 20 rounds... the small hole of the bullet is still limited in just 20 round. it is just a waste of bullets.and time shooting it like that.. the flooris according to normal floors found in buildings that is US Standards.Even if it far apart the scene in that part is impossible to duplicate.. unless you are cartoon character. if you are still unconvince try to look the myths of cutting a tree w/ a machine gun. the tree is thicker but narrow surface.
in most buildings but not skyscrapers, they have a layer of concrete+rebar following is another layer of sand and another layer of sement and after that they apply the last layer of concrete and last the wooden planks or painted concrete, and sometimes add a layer of mixed petroleum cover and heat it to the floor to prevent water going through, unless it's some-kind of cheap ass building.
@Deviantblade88 false. many older weapons are be loaded with clips. you would attach the clip to the weapon, manually shove the rounds in, and then remove the clip. now you could say that the weapon system has an internal magazine, but it is nothing like the typical magazines used today.
Concrete usually has rebar imbedded in it for support. I think steel bars would provide just as much if not more of a problem than a wooden support beam. May not see it in the movie, but it is a movie.
Totally agree! And they changed the weapon plus the material of the floor! I a myth is likely to fail I wanna see it recreated as accurately as possible and then see it fail. Not just tell me it wouldn't work and use something different.
I swear when I first seen this on tv I remember watching tori with that mp5 and how when he was moving around on his knees that he for a split second lost control of the gun and it bumped his knee with the top of the end of the barrle , and no one said anything
Still, the movie used 40 rounds and piercing HE Rounds really have no advantage over normal rounds in this scenario. Either way the rounds made it through the would and that's all either round would do. This used at least 370 rounds, some from a shot gun, on a weaker floor and still did nothing xD
@slayerofkin 1) compare wood and concrete. 2) It use the same 9mm bullet like gun in movie. 3) What special about vampire? have u ever see a vempire? 4) Idont have any thing to say :D
@CaramelBreakfast lol typical COD answer. a FMJ bullet consists of a lead core covered entirely(sometimes the bottom is left bare) by a copper jacket. then we have a total metal jacket which is completely all around jacketed
we are talking werewolves and vampires, they are probably using HOT rounds for ammo, so the test, IMO, is inconclusive, they DID manage to cut a hole after all... ;D
Okay, are they using jackhammers and pilebunkers? Because I'm not seeing any ejected cartridges from the MP5 and I can't seem to comprehend how you would have enough 9 mike ammo for 30 minutes of full-auto firing.
I'd say it's plausible but you'd need a bigger round, 5.56 might do it and 7.62 would make mincemeat out of the plywood. Question is how many rounds would it take?
yeahh practically all you could get through with that method is the roof of a tram or something not tiles and reinforced concrete to commercial standard
@pontaduck87 She also didn´t even use FMJ, they used somekind of glass bullet filled with all kinds of shit (and glowing blue) that would kill a Werewolf or Vampire...that would smash against a cocrete floor and leave nothing but a stain.
I do not play call of duty, i handle firearms, that's where i get my facts, magazine and clip are NOT interchangeable, it's like saying you can call a rifle a cannon just because it also shoots a projectile, they both hold bullets, that's all, they function differently, a magazine feeds the bullets into the chamber, a clip feeds the bullets into the magazine, all guns that use clips also have a magazine.
I'll consider mythbusters an accurate test of a movie stunt when they can also reproduce the conditions of firing 200+ rounds from a 20-round magazine without reloading.
Pause the Video at around 0:29 and you can see how thick the floor in underworld is, its two layers, and whatever else is in the middle. The floor looks like its a foot thick and people are complaining that the Mythbusters made theirs too strong?.
Ah yes, Kate Beckinstale. The boring version of Kate Beckinsale.
Not to mention the entire perimeter of the circle would have to give way at the exact same time to fall through as perfect as it does in the movie. If one side were to break before the other you might get a pretty messy and painful landing.
Even if it did give way all at once...It'd still probably hurt quite a bit to land like that, and most people would fall over anyways. Wouldn't be much worse if one side gave way, as long as you managed not to land face first.
I can't believe that Underworld isn't 100% accurate... mind blown
In the movie it appears the floor is covered with tile and plywood and along the two red lines at 0:28 looks to be the only spots where the floor joists are. In the test, they had extra support from extra floor joists so they had more material to shoot through.
As for the types of bullets used.. yeah, looks like the handgun's bullets were making bigger holes in the tile than the holes made by the gun used in the test in the plywood.
You must not know how floors work
You can't believe everything you see on Mythbusters. I remember a show where they "proved" that a bus can't jump over a gap in the freeway as it does in the movie "Speed", but in a behind the scenes-sequence for that film, the filmmakers say the jump was real, but the hole was not there - it was added with CGI in post-production.
Finally, someone who contradicts somebody on youtube who is being rude and doesnt do it in an equally rude wya. You have earned a cookie good sir!
Yes, because no floors ever have support beams... Though, I would say if you were in the middle between two supports, and had enough ammo, time and/or strong enough weapon, you could do so.
I think if they made a rotating firing rig, it would have been much more efficient/effective/safe.
too much time this is simpler and more accurate with a person doing it. more representative for the myth...
The floor sure looked like concrete in the movie
+josh house it was more likely ceramic tiles on top of rotting wood. Big difference.
owell either way lol
+josh house PLASTER!!!! DEBATE OVER
will pugh So would it work or not?
+tigeress da dog with the floor joist, the strapping, the tile, and the ceiling on the underside of the floor? with 9mm..or 40 cal? ...you will need a lot of them and a lot of time
(grammar edit)
@Deviantblade88
Magazines, by definition, are ammunition dispensers that contain a spring loaded follower. Belt fed firearms held together by links are essentially clip fed weapons and there is no shortage of them.
watch mythbusters at eye-raping 12 frames per second
eye-raping. lool
It's da best, ain't it?
and whine about getting to watch something copyrighted that you would normally wouldn't be able to watch so easily.
the quality is poor but your comment is petty.
@slayerofkin There were support beams in the movie. If you look at the movie scene you can see she shoots through a cavity floor, which is only practical if you use timber joists, especially if you have such a heavy floor system like ceramic tiles.
"Clip", you keep using that word, i don't think you know what that word means.
@slayerofkin I cant say about your first point but for the others I think you're wrong. The gun Torry uses in my humble opinion is more powerful than the two guns she is using in the movie. What does being a vampire have to do with anything? And last - that was the only way to perforate it and he still had to jump on the floor to brake it
dont concrete floors usually have rebar though?
2:07 Never knew Counter-Strike was still relevant in 2006
It's still relevant in 2021 my guy.
@esh325 Concrete starts to go quicker than you'd think, but yeah, the hollow points would probably just distribute the damage over a wider but shallower space, but I wasn't aware of how good the accuracy was on the MP5, thanks for the info.
Eeeee-verybody's a firearms expert on here ..... *rolls eyes*
You should see these guys doing home renovations
Foreman: " We need to cut hole in the wall to install this light switch"
Tory: "I'll go get my gun"
@slayerofkin
1) If you pause the footage in Underworld you can see 2 support beams
2) An mp5 is more powerful than the twin berettas that Seline was using, even with the barrel extensions
3) They're seeing if this stunt would work in the real world. I think that discounts vampirism
4) And being in the real world, nobody can move a fully automatic weapon accurately enough to trace a perfect circle without going back over previous lines
@Son0fHobs Yea, the floor was like 40cm concrete and it probably had a metal support frame in it! You know it was probably old soviet era building, if i remember it correctly. Either way it surely wasnt a wood.
@itachi6677 wrong. a 9mm bullet from a handgun is hardly comparable to say a similar bullet from a sniper rifle, as the length of the bullets are completely different (no generally they do not make 9mm snipers but there have been one or two over the years) unless you really mean 9x19mm
@coraxeian At any rate you replied 'a clip is something that bullets can be packaged on' So since a magazine feeds rounds into a weapon, a clip would be useless for anything other than carrying ammunition in BEFORE you put it into a magazine so the magazine can feed the rounds into the gun. unless it's a belt fed weapon. So even then the clips would only be useful until you loaded your magazine, which would be right before you went into combat. Who goes into combat without enough magazines?
@Perpiris FMJ is a weapon perk that allows the bullets to go through walls
not to mention if she damaged the floor directly underneath her too its possible, besides tory didnt manage a decent spread around he focused on areas not to mention cement can be britle in places where it doesnt have rebar or any other form of inbuilt support framework.
if they had a higher calibre even in the movie as well itd be more plausable but again thats a different gun as you said that can shoot through a cow, only ones that could do that is a 50 cal, 12gauge slug and a few others too
Her gun uses the same calibre bullets as the MP5, which is 9x19mm Parabellum.
3:00 perfect Happy face
>Two 20-round clips
>Holding pistol
FUCKING NORMIES! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
1:22 whats that sound
Don't forget that heroes in movies have unlimited ammo. You could also try 50 caliber ammo on a weak floor without the stupid support beams getting in the way.
I guarantee they used FMJ, its the cheapest 9mm you can get, and it's penetration is far better than hollowpoints in most cases anyway, and concrete flooring would be a hell of a lot harder to break through than plywood regardless of how run down the building was. Any heavily customized weapons and ammunition the movie characters used either A: wouldn't change the end result or B: don't exist.
Wasn't the scene in a rundown building where the floor was already in a bad shape?
@pontaduck87 Yea, I agree, I'd like to point out however that penetration power doesn't always mean damage. That's the problem with 9mm rounds because of the high velocity and low weight not as much kinetic energy is delivered on impact, it just punches through. But yea it's absurd to think someone could shoot through a floor like that. She did look nice doin it tho
I'm glad Grant referenced counter-strike instead of call of duty. and I feel weird that I'm glad about that.
this was shot in 2005-2006 . that piece of shit cod wasnt farted yet .
@VerifiClaytion Also I might be wrong but weren't they silver bullets to kill lycans? If so they would be softer than a normal bullet.
Well, like someone else said, they both use similar rounds, plus the guns she had would not have managed to cut through a floor using their own little 16 round magazines, I'd say this is pretty accurate.
@EpicOlaf how about hollow point bullets? would they work better?
Maybe he should tell the werewolf "Hold my beer"
@DragonoftheEastblue3
yea but the myth was using a pistol... so the mp5 is a pretty big jump already
the idea is to be practical not to go as overboard as possible
Announcer said Kate Beckinstale at 2:14 instead of Beckinsale.
***** lol
@pontaduck87 But BTW...higher penetration power would actually make it LESS likely to blow you in half...because the bullet will simply pass through you doing very little damage. How, if the bullet has lower penetrating power, it is much more likely to bend, tumble, rip and shred through your tissue, making a much bigger hole on the other side.
Yeah, but wood splits while stone shatters. The rebar would just become exposed, but since it would have less surrounding stone to balance the weight, the rods would probably bend and break.
Plus, she's have probably shot the rebar as well a few times, so they'd already be weakened.
Maybe firing inbetween the supportive 2x4's only the deck which is thinnner ans easier to break once shot.
in underworld it's wood in the middle with concert on the top and bottom with tiling. the wood would give out under the weight of both the person and concert pulling and pushing and that is not counting on how old in the movie the building is. seeing as it has plaster walls { the lycans hitting the floor when she is holding the corvin against the wall and plaster falls from the ceiling} . plaster walls where stop being used in 1950 so the building as of the time of the movie would be 53+ years old or older. meaning both the wood and concert would be old and worn. so yes shooting thru a floor this old or older to drop down a floor is plausible.
Wrong floor, wrong ammunition, wrong guns. Poorly done.
***** Oh would they? Too bad the floors in the movie were masonry. The gun (a Beretta 92FS chambered in 9x19 para) she was using may not have a magazine with a high enough capacity to do what she did, but the Myth Busters (MBs) would have gotten a lot closer if they had used hollow points. Now, the gun the MBs used was an MP5, and while I don't know what it was chambered in (likely 9mm) I know the round weren't hollow points.
Soooo I'm just gonna stop there and let you reflect on how I'm still right.
Watch the scene in the movie. It's not wood. It's also not right over a beam. And yes, hollow points, because they're vampires shooting fucking werewolves. Penetration means very little in this test, what they need is exactly the type of spread (and bigger hole) a hollowpoint would cause, so yes, hollowpoints. Thanks for explaining what I already obviously know.
You're wrong.
Look at the floor in the movie. It's thin. Hollow points would do exactly what I described: Punch a big hole.
Way to get butthurt about being wrong though. Truly a sign of a great mind.
***** I never claimed that 40 rounds would be enough, or that the holes would be the size they are there, just that Myth Busters totally failed at recreating this myth accurately.
Ya done now?
FfejTball I'd like to make a few comments in an organized fashion here, and both of you bring up valid points, there's no need for uncivilized name calling.
TwoOne is correct about the fact that hollow point rounds create less damage to plywood. Hollow point rounds when met with human flesh "balloon" and then shatter, causing more damage as small fragments spiral outward, but this effect would not occur against plywood as plywood does not form fit. The hollow point would shatter quickly, disperse and overall create less impact on plywood. Against soft targets Hollow Point and Hydra Shock rounds are extremely effective, but against hard targets normal bullets are much better. One thing that seems to have come off as confusing was the width - both the penetrating power and the width of the holes made would increase with normal rounds, whereas both would be reduced by hollow points. Hollow points are specifically used on airplanes for this reason as well, since their destructive ability on hard targets (like the thin walls of planes) are minimal by comparison.
Though not film accurate, mythbusters will often substitute the next grade higher and considering the results were poor with the more functional round, testing with hollow points would be redundant. It is also impossible to be entirely accurate because, if I recall correctly, the story suggested that the bullets used by the vampires were custom made and specialized for werewolf hunting and their construction was wholly unique. I have not confirmed this, I've only seen that movie once.
However, I do agree with Ffej about how the simulated construction was poor. The materials and the design are in question, they do not seem similar and furthermore they did not account for one major factor - wood rot or age. This floor is new, whereas if I remember correctly the building she was in was noticeably older. These factors are curiously overlooked and not representative of mythbusters usual attention to detail.
@angya777 Doesn't matter if its more powerful, he wasn't using the same gun. She is a Vampire who has lived hundreds of years as a warrior. I'm just saying its a silly myth to do. Testing the abilities of fictional beings and all. Also, a SMG doesn't necessarily have more stopping power then a handgun, and because it was automatic half of each round was just hitting the same spot.
They should make a machine to shoot enough holes to make a circle around a human sized target so you don't have the aim of the shooter to take into the equation, its pretty simple really it would be much easier (though possibly dangerous i'll admit) to shoot a "circle" around you if your standing right in the middle then you standing from any other location and trying to shoot the circle.
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I think it would depend on what round was used. Some ammunition could do more damage than others. I don't mean caliber, but a defensive round of some sort or something.
150-180Lbs
so, two kates couldn't do it....
also the support beams in the building would be subject to termites and wood-rot
Tory finally gets to live out his counter strike fantasy.
Nothing can absorb the momentum though. Even if the spring turns the kinetic energy into heat, the spring itself is still pushed backed, and with it the gun, and thus whoever is holding it. It may be passed to the shooter over a longer period of time, making it easier to stay standing, but all the momentum is still eventually transferred.
@pballskatelax I'll give you that. But that's OLDER weapons. Are you runnin around with a Garand?
A chainsaw definitely would've worked on the wood.
what if the support beams were wider apart, so much so that the beams don't interfere with the circle?
i feel like that would have been better.
Then it wouldn't be built to code like building have to be.
Yup, makes sense too, you feed it a MAGAZINE, but the CLIP holds it together.
@pyrewyrm to be atleast one support running athwartship (possibly two?). This support's material of contruction would be the defining point. One note is that it appears quite tall for the usual wood flooring you would find today. In addition, there appears to be a pipe or conduit running fore and aft. If this were made of steel, it would pose a problem... Cast iron, then probably not.
While not executed to the level of accuracy of replicating the movie shot to a satisfying degree, I would say
kate beckenstale...?
Yup caught that too
2:10
though I heard Kate Bekonsdale
Guys... the movie character was using magical reality destroying bullets dontcha know.
The building was old, run down and had a concrete floor, and try using either FMJ rounds or hollow points. I want to see them do a revisit of this myth with a more accurate model of the floor and taking the fact the vampire coven uses heavily customized weapons and ammunition.
@hazu007 Grant is the one who said "Tori gets to live our his CS fantasy". I doubt Tori would play CS though, Grant is probably projecting himself onto Tori.
Celine use just 2 cartridges equivalent to 20 rounds... the small hole of the bullet is still limited in just 20 round. it is just a waste of bullets.and time shooting it like that.. the flooris according to normal floors found in buildings that is US Standards.Even if it far apart the scene in that part is impossible to duplicate.. unless you are cartoon character. if you are still unconvince try to look the myths of cutting a tree w/ a machine gun. the tree is thicker but narrow surface.
in most buildings but not skyscrapers, they have a layer of concrete+rebar following is another layer of sand and another layer of sement and after that they apply the last layer of concrete and last the wooden planks or painted concrete, and sometimes add a layer of mixed petroleum cover and heat it to the floor to prevent water going through, unless it's some-kind of cheap ass building.
Yeah but in many countries clip is translated as it would be a magazine that also adds confusion
@Ralphgtx280
yea but the mp5 had 360 rounds... plus they used a shotty...
hmmm 40rounds vs. 360 rounds....
In the movie there is no support beam there so if the gap is wide to create a hole without a beam it will go tru.
@Deviantblade88 false. many older weapons are be loaded with clips. you would attach the clip to the weapon, manually shove the rounds in, and then remove the clip. now you could say that the weapon system has an internal magazine, but it is nothing like the typical magazines used today.
Concrete usually has rebar imbedded in it for support. I think steel bars would provide just as much if not more of a problem than a wooden support beam. May not see it in the movie, but it is a movie.
@Deviantblade88 am i running around with a garand? no, but my friend has one.
2:12 "Kate BeckinsTale" LOL
Totally agree! And they changed the weapon plus the material of the floor! I a myth is likely to fail I wanna see it recreated as accurately as possible and then see it fail. Not just tell me it wouldn't work and use something different.
I swear when I first seen this on tv I remember watching tori with that mp5 and how when he was moving around on his knees that he for a split second lost control of the gun and it bumped his knee with the top of the end of the barrle , and no one said anything
@docmart71 It sounds like hes saying Beckinsdale instead of Beckinsale
Still, the movie used 40 rounds and piercing HE Rounds really have no advantage over normal rounds in this scenario. Either way the rounds made it through the would and that's all either round would do.
This used at least 370 rounds, some from a shot gun, on a weaker floor and still did nothing xD
Use a larger caliber. or use a brittle material for the floor.
@slayerofkin 1) compare wood and concrete. 2) It use the same 9mm bullet like gun in movie. 3) What special about vampire? have u ever see a vempire? 4) Idont have any thing to say :D
@CaramelBreakfast lol typical COD answer. a FMJ bullet consists of a lead core covered entirely(sometimes the bottom is left bare) by a copper jacket. then we have a total metal jacket which is completely all around jacketed
@esh325 other than some weather cracks. concrete continually hardens. it never cures
Am I wrong in saying that the girl in the movie is not shooting a timber floor? It looks like a concrete floor covered in tiles?
wouldnt they use explosive silver bullets in the movie? i mean it makes bigger holes or am i jsut going off of hellsing anime here the jackal
@Perpiris whether they did use them or not he is still right
Should have had Kari do this, since she most certainly would look great in a pvc body suit !
we are talking werewolves and vampires, they are probably using HOT rounds for ammo, so the test, IMO, is inconclusive, they DID manage to cut a hole after all... ;D
Change the type of flooring?
Tory: Pew Pew Pew . Grant: Pow!
Okay, are they using jackhammers and pilebunkers? Because I'm not seeing any ejected cartridges from the MP5 and I can't seem to comprehend how you would have enough 9 mike ammo for 30 minutes of full-auto firing.
I'd say it's plausible but you'd need a bigger round, 5.56 might do it and 7.62 would make mincemeat out of the plywood. Question is how many rounds would it take?
It would probably be different on tiles, also everyone already said, having beam right in middle kind of defeat this.
yeahh practically all you could get through with that method is the roof of a tram or something not tiles and reinforced concrete to commercial standard
Why would you put supports in?
@pontaduck87 She also didn´t even use FMJ, they used somekind of glass bullet filled with all kinds of shit (and glowing blue) that would kill a Werewolf or Vampire...that would smash against a cocrete floor and leave nothing but a stain.
And this myth is several years before the ammo shortage
should use wider bullets and have more careful shot placement. takes longer but would probably break the floor better.
@GlitchesofWar Lol why should he do that? :D And why do you doubt that Tori plays CS? (:
I do not play call of duty, i handle firearms, that's where i get my facts, magazine and clip are NOT interchangeable, it's like saying you can call a rifle a cannon just because it also shoots a projectile, they both hold bullets, that's all, they function differently, a magazine feeds the bullets into the chamber, a clip feeds the bullets into the magazine, all guns that use clips also have a magazine.
Do you really think that the concrete breaks more easily? And how can you be sure that she had armor piercing ammo?
@Duttyman123 Why not? Look at the sequel, where the laws of helicopter physics magically disappear just because a vampire tugs the rope.