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The "to many horses becoming overwhelming" is a real thing. Its often referred to "choice overload" where people get presented with too many options and as a result they have difficulty making a choice at all. When making a decision becomes overwhelming its a negative feeling so people start to avoid it.
for real i haven’t bought a horse for over a year because there are constantly new ones being released so i don’t know which one to choose and i keep waiting in case a better one will come out…
that's what I've sstarted to experience with a game called creatures of sonaria. there's SO MANY creatures. there's at least 2 or more that get added EVERY friday night. updates every friday are fine but the creature overload is getting to be too much. I can't possibly afford all of them (in game currency not robux) to the point where I'll likely NEVER have some of the newer things. I hope it improves and they slow down to remodel old models but like, I can't bring myself to play right now. I don't play SSO but know a bit about it and came across rattle's channel when watching fer.al videos talkuing about what happened with that. So I know how sso players feel to an extent, just not as long running because SSO is much older than the games I've had issues with. you guys deserve better.
I feel this so much. I'm a relatively "new" paid member, so my star coins are pretty low. The Belgian Warmbloods and Tennessee Walkers came out last year and I had so many I wanted, coat-wise. It became *stressful* trying to narrow down which one I wanted, since i could only afford one. Ended up getting the percheron on a whim instead just so I could make myself stop fretting over a decision (she's one of my favorites, so all is good, lol). I... probably won't make myself go through that again.
To me, I am very frustrated because this game is not the game I remember. The game was originally set to take place after the Starshine comics and games, a game to complete the mystery of Jorvik and there is STILL no ending. SSO no longer has this mysterious feel to it anymore and it just feels like a horse collector game and it's vibe has switched to realism or cartoonish realism.
it did feel mysterious but i honestly cant put my finger on it. honestly didn’t play it enough as a kid i’m not sure if it’s because i was super clueless or there was more to be explored? what is it and why is it gone?
@@comfortme The vibe that they used to have is very close to what you'd see in a Lovecraftian story. The main villain(s) aren't even the Dark riders but Garnok. I bet a good chunk of players don't even know that because of just how far SSO has taken things.
i think the american paint horse still has the best model and animations in the game, a horse that was released 18 months ago, in a game that has horse releases bi-monthly
On the flipside to this, players need to recognize the incredibly high standard SSO set themselves up for, with creating breed-specific animations for every breed. There's only so many ways a horse can do the same gaits across breeds, the constant "this horse's animations are copy-pasted from this horse" is just needless outrage. BAD animations are absolutely a thing, but I see more nitpicking over "it looks similar to x other horse" far more often
@@YTRattle you probably saw people on the Cozy Bee Games server... always mad when I say anything about old sso being better... denying the issues, glorifying them even
For me its too little too late. I'm part of the old guard. I've been here since 2012. Empty promises for years makes it into a "boy who cried wolf" situation - they can make as many promises as they want for the player character updates, horse bonding, horse racing abilities etc - I'll believe when I see it. Anyone remember player housing? Nail salons? That was promised back in 2016. The core game loop has changed very little since the games conception. Nothing "new" particularly stands out to me in 10 years of playing this game when I think about it. Aside from shiny new areas or shiny new cosmetics. It's still the same old quest design. Not that the story means anything to me (and lots of other old players) anymore. They've taken so fucking long to tell the story I've forgotten all of it and they've never added any way to replay old quests so I can't refresh my memory. Not to mention all the retcons and rewrites. Retcons are fine, but when you're fundamentally changing the story, no. (The player going from a reincarnation of Aideen to ..... just an ordinary soul rider.) I will give them that they've *tried* to improve the storytelling and writing. But they've got a long way to go before they hit the likes of Destiny 2, Warframe and Final Fantasy in terms of quality. Then again, those games have billions of dollars of backing behind them, so I'll cut them some slack. Could definitely take a page out of their book though. Historically I always used to play this game around christmas as a comfort game. And for the past two years I haven't. Perhaps I'm just growing out the game, perhaps its a sign of something else.
Rdr2 might have had more of a budget when it came out but SSO with the amount of horses they've done and not many double star coins the past 2 years, they have the budget. Rdr2 was made for Xbox and playstation. Which makes it harder for them to make as good as a game that they did, yet they brought online to computer years later. No matter what people say, I'm comparing them. Rdr2 is better with story, animations and diversity yet star stable is so much older ?? They need to step up.
you’re speaking the truth. as another player from 2012, i don’t even know what the main story is anymore, i started it when i was 9 and i’m in my 20s now, i have absolutely no clue what we’re doing and i’m only playing because i can’t ride horses in real life
@@m4tta it's been years and years but the story has *barely* gone anywhere. Basically nothing of significant impact has happened. They're just treading water and avoiding progressing the story in any way. Well, I think we're finally getting somewhere with the recent quests but they're so few and far between I guess we'll see the end of this arc when I'm 30. They've taken so fucking long to tell the story (and, not actually tell the story in the process) that entire other mmos have been and gone, so to speak. The destiny franchise started in 2014 and is now two yearly expansions away from finishing its main story arc (then onto whatever they'll do next). Star stable hasn't even hit their first story climax yet, defeating garnok. We don't even know who/what garnok is.
@@PootisDaLoopis For going back and seeing the beginning of the story, a friend and I created an account for just that. She's on her final semester of college, and I've got a two yr old (so it's a little slow at the moment) but we have a fresh account we've been recording with. It's up under Ivanna Giantbook (I should not have been left unsupervised when picking names... 😂) on YT. We're starting with the original Starshine Legacy games and working our way forward. :)
We used to be a reincarnation of aideen?? Why did they change that, it would've been so cool (it was probably before i started playing as i started in like 2016)
Some of the issues with Star Stables reminds me of the issues with The Sims. The Sims doesn't have many competitiors, so they can do as they please since people don't have many places to go (Paralives don't let me down). Competition is good and healthy, it pushes for inovation and creative solutions. What will make you stand out among your comeptitors? Why are you the best choice? Let's hope they'll be forced to make a change, but that's unlikely to happen unless they are earning less and less. Money sure is a motivator. Also, I really love your content!
I still chuckle when I remember Paralives showing windows moving freely on walls and INSTANTLY Sims released an update to add it themselves haha I look forward to seeing how LBY and Paralives can push Sims to become something greater
One competitor for SSO in my opinion is Alicia Online, a lot of ex SSO players have moved to AO and they’re loving it and you don’t have to spend any money and the staff spoil us 🥰
The thing that always concerns me is equipment. Back in a day they could make new saddle for evey horse exept 1st generation, right now we're getting new equipment with every new horse and this stuff is only for this horse. Not everybody can buy new horses and tack for every single one of them. I really like my old horses and it's really sad that I can't wear whatever I want on them because it's only for new ones. They're promising about updating that, but when they finally did it was for only like 3 (pretty new) horses. Damn Star Stable, no wonder I stopped caring about this game.
Back in my days tack was for ALL horses: at first - for 1 gen (starter, irish cob, or fjord, or andalusian), then - for the newest quarter horse and morgans, icelandics, shires. Whether it's a western bridle or a small round saddlepad from Harvest Counties. Earlier I bought a lot of tack for different styles and all my horses could wear it. Now I don't, simply because none of my horses can wear it AT ALL. Wonderful. Yes, I love my horses, they are like children for me, so many years have passed with them, and I would like them to stop being garbage for the SSO team. First, they release a horse, which the team call "your new best friend, lovely part of a star family, a soul steed", and then, after a couple of years, they say: "Sorry, but your paint horse will remain forever broken because we do not serve it anymore and not going to fix it. Never." Sounds like "now your horse can die, let it go, erase your memories, sell it, and buy beautiful brand-new paso fino right now for 950 sc!" Really? Wow. It looks like it's time to also stop serving me, as a player, if I'm old and crusty too. It's so funny: I could (!) donate money, but the company itself prevents me from doing this, as if me and my horses completely don't exist in latest updates and can't experience new content. :D
This is exactly what annoys me too. I'm a very casual player and I don't care much about the new horses, I still love all of my old ones and mainly wanna use them to just ride around a bit. And even if I buy a new horse I can't put the new tack on them even if they came out like half a year ago. It also really sucks when they release new boots and blankets, but I can only put the boots on my older horses and if I want the matching blanked well sucks to be me I guess. This is honestly the main reason why I stopped playing completely.
aye that is also another pain , as i just want to buy a tack set and put it on my horse whatever breed it may be , but the cynic in me says its all about the money as the new tack sets cost a lot more than older ones so its yet another money making tactic
The bugs really have been so annoying lately. As someone who isn’t as active as they used to be, it seems like every time I log on there’s a new bug that keeps me from completing a quest or playing the game. For example, there was a bug for the saving anne quest (im very behind in my quests 💀) where when you go through the portal the soul riders completely disappear and there’s no way for you to complete the quest. I reported this issue 2 times to customer support but it still took 3 weeks to fix the MAIN quest 😭 meanwhile they kept updating the game in those three weeks.
Oh damn yes! It's been a little crazy of late! I heard there's a bug with the 'stay over a night' feature. You don't stay over, and the game just swallows up your SCs. And SSO is not giving them refunds :\
@@YTRattle Yeah it’s really unfortunate, whether you saved up the star coins or bought them with real money, it’s such a waste of your money and time :(
And the new update with Anne quest that came out yesterday is bugging : If we did the quest on Wednesday, today we should have the second part of the quest but it doesn't work, we have to pay to sleep (75 Star Coins) and then we can have the second part of the quest
Same with the stone cutters vault quest. Linda just disappears and you can't progress. Though many people reported the bug they still havn't fixed it for MONTHS.
I first joined SSO right as the lockdown started in March 2020. I am sure a lot of other people can relate; we were all stuck at home, and sso was really amping up its advertisements at the time. The game was so fun; new quests, new characters, etc. But what do you do after you finish all the quests? Wait for a month for sso to release a new quest that takes 2 minutes? Wait for the Halloween and Christmas updates where the quests and events are on repeat? And there are long stretches where there is nothing to do. I remember last year, the updates were so bad that it got to the point where they released a singular race one week and that was it. It gave 150xp or something like that. SSO needs to step up its game. The community wouldn't mind biweekly updates if it meant more problems were getting fixed and the updates were more meaningful. Currently, it's basically "horse, race, new tack, side quests, a magical horse, new race" rinse and repeat. And SSO has so many areas with such potential for epic storylines. What happened to the people who lived behind the giant ice fortress in Icengate in Dino Valley? That has so much potential. And what about scarecrow hill in golden hills valley? Give us a storyline about how the scarecrows become animated every Halloween. Give us more stuff with Redwood point and the jorvik wild horse tribes; they got captured, GED found them, the stories are endless. SSO literally hires people to make quests, and they give us useless stuff like delivering mail or starting a newspaper business when there are so many things I would rather be doing.
You're so right. As an older player I can also say how much and significantly the main story (and others) decreased in quality. It went from a teen game, having that 2000s cartoon vibes, to a simple child game
Thank you Rattle for the opportunity to partake in this conversation! I actually wanted to open a discussion for some points that were brought up in this video. Would the community get angry if there were less horse releases? This is an interesting question because the answer is yes, however people are going to get annoyed regardless of what the update is, or what it isn't. Everyone plays the game for different reasons, and people like different things about the game. If you change the update formula, someone is always going to get upset or annoyed. Would less horses mean better horse releases? Better updates? Who knows honestly. Triple A prices for an average game? I agree with this to an extent, especially when you directly compare the fact you can buy RDR2, Days Gone, TLOU etc for around the same price. However we don't have a finished game here. In a way we are paying to fund the game's continued development and expansion. These games are not being updated because they are already developed and released, whereas SSO has a full time team requiring full time wages. Do I think the game is too expensive in the long term? Perhaps, but by giving our money to the game we are supporting the continued development of the game title. Now is the development sub-par in its execution, content and polish? Perhaps. Where is my money going? I totally see the point that was made here and I used to think exactly the same way. How come they get an office full of cool décor and goodies, when the game is still lacking in so many areas? But one thing to consider is that it's generally important to have a polished feel for your branding, to be able to make content in their office that doesn't look like a drab 9-5 cubicle. And as creators its really important to be able to take inspiration from our surroundings and feel immersed in the world we create. The same goes for SSO employees, its really positive to see them be able to have access to a physical environment that helps their creative process. But that's just my 2 cents, feel free to disagree :D
Hey Abigail! Thank you for being a part of this! ♥ :D And thank you for sharing your ideas on these points! I'm going to try and maybe incorporate this into the second video, as getting these different perspectives was the initial idea. ♥
Thank you for bringing up these points! Sometimes I get too passionate, haha. You've definitely made me sit and think about my perspective! Thank you, Abigail!
i definitely agree with your perspective here, and see where you are coming from! personally, the horse release rate i dont mind much. i do think that now that we have a consistent cycle of receiving horses, its literally impossible to keep up with given the prices/weekly SC allowance. but we always know the horse will be there to stay, or will be back in the future so you certainly can plan out purchases, and im sure majority of invested players spend money on SSO at least once a year so with our allowance (although mostly gone to stable care) we can buy some our favorite horses in the year out of the many released. i've learned to some-what appreciate the quick rate of horses by only buying the ones i truly like, and i know its weird if you're an older player to get out of that collector mentality (because its all we used to have for the longest time and honestly really is still mostly what we have in the end game) but with the horse drop rate you really have to stop that mentality or you're talking about serious money being spent on horse pixels.. because the prices are some of the most expensive in the entire gaming market (including the triple A bracket). to me star coins are extremely overpriced given what we see developed within the actual game. however, i do think its fair to ask for re-occurring investments as any game with ongoing development does, i just wish SSO would update their purchase/funding methods and pricing to be more standard to other company's making similar profit (which is a lot of profit). SSO needs to balance their prices to what they are really offering within the game - the game that fuels all of the marketing campaigns and investment moves the company is making right now to dominate the market. they can and should dominate, but i wish they would invest some of that success back into learning what their community wants so they can provide it for us as they have every opportunity and ability to. personally, because they don't do that is why i've been upset with SSO for years now and lost hope a while ago (i still play and spend the occasional coin for horses but i'm not nearly as invested as i would be for a game i felt was worth the money im paying). although i dont think SSO ever will, lowering their prices would be good for their company imo. my personal self control for buying game things goes out the window as soon as it becomes reasonable because its "cheap" or not something i have to genuinely think about purchasing. for example, i bought star coins several times a year before the price increase - but since the price increase i have only bought star coins once out of many opportunities, and only because it was double and i had a gift card at my expense. if SSO would have chosen to decrease prices by the amount they raised them, i probably would have ended up buying star coins even more often because to me im getting more out of my money than i ever have before. i genuinely think thats the move they should have made as it not only makes more sense with what they provide us and the state of the game, but also i think it would have enticed more sales as people are more willing to spend money on something if its reasonable which leads to more sales (fortnite is a great example of an ongoing developing game that asks for re-occurring purchases if you want to be "hip" and have the new shiny things, but the game provides quality consistent new content with cheap prices and its making SO much money doing so). i think SSO is doing a lot right! their office space for example, i totally agree with you there. it would be wonderful and inspiring to work in a place like that, and although i have my opinions on how they could dedicate their time within that office space i do think its important to have a comforting workspace and dont mind my money spent on the game going to the comfort of the employees that make the game happen. but they also have a wonderful office space, and don't really seem to fully appreciate the community that funded it and continues to fund it despite a lot of the undeniable flaws within the game and company output itself. i really don't think it would be that hard to listen to the community and improve the game to our wishes, because in the end it just leads to a better game and more players content which leads to more players who stay playing and paying. to conclude i really don't mind all the flashy and extra stuff SSO does and i don't mind the constant flow of new horses, but its come to a point where its no longer worth what they are asking to fund it all because nothing we want changed (hollow woods? bugs? unfinished horses? repetitive quick content? community involvement?) is really changing and the community continues to feel ignored and force fed horses and cheap content like races. i dont have hope really, but i am curious to see in the upcoming months/years how the game will improve for the better with some of long standing promises like the character update finally being fulfilled. but the game has a very long road until it's worth what we have all paid and continue to pay for it, i don't just want looks and cosmetics i want to enjoy my experience and feel excited again to get updates and new horses ♡
You can buy RDO on sale sometimes for $5 or you can buy the online game for around $20. Xbox game pass is around $14 a month if you do monthly, but the cost of SSO is way too high for the little content they have. I have nothing else to do in game except train the millions of horses I have. It’s exhausting and feels like a chore, but I’m a completion layer with OCD. So, it bothers me to not have all horses at 15. Not to mention some of the rep quests glitched and you can’t become admired with Ricky winterwell or Jamie Olivetree.
It's honestly so true. I remember when the Lusitanos came out, and it's still my favorite horse in the game to this day, and I was saving up for months to get one. Now after I've gotten maybe 15 horses in my stable without spending a dime since I got Star Rider, I find myself burned out too. There is no new story quests, the pets have no use other than accessories, and the horses... Don't shoot me in the comments below. But the horses are cars. I legit thought the April Fool's prank where horses turned into cars was them giving us foreshadowing of what it'd become. Buy a new car every month, drive an old one whenever you feel like it. The horse doesn't feel alive as it once did. Just can't wait to try out Star Equestrian and Astride and hope they do better after seeing all their predecessor's past mistakes.
FR!!! I was looking for this comment! The horses don't feel alive. They feel like accessories. I get the game has to consider younger and casual players and it would be really out of left field for them to suddenly introduce realistic horse mechanics like them refusing jumps and getting spooked, but at least make it so the horses react to their environment that doesn't impact the player negatively. Stuff like them reacting to weather, like if they added rain or snow or wind. See, idk, there's nothing SSO could really do with the horses that won't immediately make the newer players angry because "OMG my horse is NOT supposed to act like a real horse!! It is supposed to carry me everywhere and be perfect no matter what because it has to."
Oh wait, something that would be immediately better would be if horses could interact with each other, npcs and player horses! Something as little as special animations that played when you got close to npcs or players. Something like them grooming each other, ears pricking up, them raising their heads or lifting a hoof to react, it would already make such a huge difference.
Yesss! Back then (when horses had the smiles showing their health or made noises for example when they were going to slow down) they felt so real and lively!!! I actually cared for my silly starter horse and wanted to have that bond.
it is insane to me though about how not only do the books not match the type of game they are attached to in terms of play style, but star stable clearly to not care about their own canon because the timeline of events in the books have some glaringly obvious mismatches with in game canon going forward, and they've barely just been released to certain audiences in various countries. so how are we meant to get invested in a story that they disregard?
Not to mention, I think sso DID say couple years ago that the game does not go with the books. So yeah... I really hate that they took an already existing magical horse game and changed it into just a regular horse game... even deleting quests like for example Lisa fighting the dark riders. They kinda just took the whole soul riders thing out and promises it's still there so they can keep players investing (ones that are there for the main story)
I showed people videos where many people, including you, pointed out the issues with sso, and these people still disagreed and remain in denial, claiming sso is better now than it was before. And they are also happy about the fortnite graphics, and about the challenge being gone, about the fun being gone. It's all horses, always "but they're improving the game, stop being so negative"
It's sad that people can't see the forest for the trees. No one wants to hate the game, we want to see it get better and watching it go downhill is painful. I hope they turn it around, though!
@@YTRattle yeah, even I told them many times that I just want the game to change for the better and they keep ignoring it, always saying change is going to happen as if I didn't know that already...? I don't care about the graphics, I'm all for them improving their style... but there is no art style anymore. It's just fortnite x genshin x horses, the atmosphere is gone, the challenge is what made this game actually fun isn't it? We grew up, but sso aged backwards. Instead of sso growing up with us, it's leaving us behind. This game was around for 13 years now (2010 testing does indeed count), and it deserves to finally lay down and rest. The engine is dying, the team doesn't have any creative rights to give us actually fun things.
But... that's just an opinion? Why do they need to dislike every change? I'm a 2013 player. SSO has issues, absolutely. But TO ME frequent horse releases aren't an issue. I'm looking forward to them. In general, I'd also say that SSO is better now than in 2013. Better graphics, better (not perfect) characters and more improvementd on them to come, better horses, quality of life updates which are just convenient, main characters updated in the quests and holidays which are more inclusive. I can ackknowledge problems and still like new aspects. I don't mind waiting for quests. I have done so for 10 years. It wasn't different in 2013, 2014, 2015 and so on. They started to put more efforts in quest by adding cut scenes, animations or mini games. I'm okay with waiting.
@@simplynepp the engine is already dying, it can't be just magically fixed without shutting it down and remaking it from the ground up in another engine. You buzz off, since you're one of the pesky new players who are in constant denial
What I want, personally, is the old Star Stable back. The darker mystery fantasy game with a deep lore and plot. The game could even feel disturbing or creepy at times, but in a good way that added this intrigue to it. They completely changed the vibe and just made it into a trendy game instead of the story it was once. I really just want to play the old Star Stable.
Truth 👏 they've hurt not only the storyline but also the main characters, wtf are the new dark riders? Why is Lisa a country girl? Not only the designs have changed, they took away their personalities
Thank you for allowing me to be apart of this, Rattle! The video turned out amazing! Thank you for all you do for this community, can't wait for part two!
Ahhh! It was my pleasure, and thank YOU, Amelia, for being willing to share your insights! ♥ You all had such wonderful points! Next video will up next week... I hope XD LOL
and darn, i wish i knew where my mom's money went to, most likely into only their fun life and like... wHy are they so goddamn lazy with making the game good. new average horse price should be 500-700sc, no more unless its godsent. yw
I appreciate this video. I began playing SSO in 2013 as a 7 year old child. I was living in constant fear and was being sexually abused at home, and while I haven’t played in years, the game will always mean something to me because of how much it distracted me from my life. To watch it slowly turn into whatever it is now is so, so incredibly disappointing. I’m 16 now and have always wanted to play it again- I wanted to save up enough money for a computer and download the game, get star rider, everything. But the prices? The graphics? It’s not even worth it anymore. To me it feels like there is no love being put into the game. It makes me so sad that the game genuinely just isn’t enjoyable to so many anymore. Your analysis was great. Have a wonderful day/night. 💚
One part that wasnt brought up with the horses (maybe it will be later idk im not that far into the video yet): Time-limited horses! When the two tree lusitanos & texas bluebell came out together sso clearly stated all 3 would leave the game forever afterwards. I bought the texas bluebell bc i could only buy one but wanted all 3. And then they brought it back, I made a at the time difficult choice between 3 "will be gone forever" horses and they brought back the ONE I CHOSE! Yet they refuse to bring back the tree lusitanos or any of the old models.
In terms of game prices, I'd love to see people draw more comparisons to other MMOs in the gaming space as opposed to stand alone triple A title! We always see arguements in comparison to things like Red Dead, TLoU, Hogwarts Legacy, God Of War, the list goes on. But a fairer comparison would be games like Guild Wars 2, World Of Warcraft, The Elder Scrolls Online, Fallout 76 and really any other games in the MMO space. It would feel like a lot fairer of a comparison and give more context on prices between SSO and other games lile it to see truly just how fair or unfair these prices are!
Eso gives you about 1650 crowns a month for 15$ on top of a lot of other benefits, Enough to get a dungeon DLC or save for two months to almost buy a whole map dlc. They have a lot of sales and bundles so it’s easier than ever to buy the game cheaply. Another thing ESO has is players able to trade in game currency for crowns from other players. ATM the current conversion rate on PS/4/5 is 100 gold per 1 crown. So technically you can buy the whole game for free with in game gold
@@Zanollias I've noticed a handful of MMOs allow in game currency -> paid currency conversion I know Guild Wars 2 does the same with the gold -> gems and vice versa conversions (though I don't think the expansions like heart of thorns & path of fire/full game can be bought by converting in game currency into gems but things like the Living World can be Really does go to show how outrageous SSO can be from even an MMO standard, I'm wondering what World Of Warcrafts prices are like because I know you have to buy the game then buy the subscriptions on top of it (I haven't even attempted to check for microtransaction I didn't play WoW for very long...)
I play PAT.. a mobile and PC game and paid once to play all the Dino’s. I didn’t have to spend an arm and leg to do a walk simulation as a Stegosaur. But there are cosmetics you can pay for like different skins to look beautiful. Or go to a server to just be a rainbow Stego for free. Honestly wish someone crazy would make a free domain of SSO horse assets. It would probably break them though.
You can even compare SSO econ to Red Dead even if it's a more common comparison. With RDO, there is literally nothing you really HAVE to purchase. You can make both RDO$ and gold in game. You can buy gold via Rockstar's social club, sure - 55 gold for 20$. With that, if you exclude ranks, you will probably never have to buy gold again for (in my experience) at least a few months. The economy of RDO is set in a way that makes it extremely grindy, likely as motivation to purchase gold online, but I've been playing since launch and I've never bought gold. The grind is gratifying because bounty hunter jobs are actually fun. Free roam missions are like white noise; they're not boring, but you can do them to fill time. Etc, etc. Rockstar most definitely made the game so grindy to promote external purchases, but you don't need to. There is no benefit to buying gold. When you first join RDO, after you complete the main set of story missions, you should have almost enough gold to buy your first rank. You can do other missions to get the rest of the gold. But once you get enough for that first rank, you unlock bounty hunter, and that becomes your source of gold. It's simple and doesn't eat at your wallet because you don't have to buy shit all the time. RDO is definitely time consuming (for example, a round of the Collector, depending on what items I pick to collect, can take anywhere from 4-8+ hours) but I enjoy the fact that it's time consuming because I play so that I can forget everything except 'I have no problems, I am a cowboy.' The visuals are stunning, the content is somewhat dead but still enjoyable, posse vs. posse, trying to evade exploiters, shootouts... stuff like that. It's fun. You can DO stuff. SSO is just a pile of burning crap trying to eat its own leg. There is absolutely nothing you can do in that game that is gratifying. The last time I felt excitement in SSO is when I unlocked Dino valley on those ugly fucking North Swedish first gen models. Never after that. SSO is the craziest and most obvious money-eating portal of an 'MMO game' I have ever seen in my entire life. RDR2 has a beautiful story. RDO is pretty much neglected by Rockstar and dead. But it's still enjoyable. The shooting is great. I've played a LOT of MMO's - League, WOW, EVE, LOTRO, BDO, FF XIV - not like SSO. This game has no content whatsoever. Fucking Tetris has more story than SSO.
@@treehugger728 I feel like you might've missed the main point of my statement in regards to comparisons, which is fine but I'll elaborate a little bit more. I do get Red Dead Online eco, I played it almost daily for 2 years starting from from day 1 of Beta, it's was a mess. But something to note about Red Dead Online is that it was an addition to the main game as opposed to a stand alone Online MMO experience. Regardless of if you like/don't like or find it unfair, you pay a similar price to star stables lifetime star rider for the Red Dead, but you don't just get the Online, you /also/ get the entirety of the story mode for Red Dead Redemption 2 in return alongside Red Dead Online (I am aware you can buy just RDO by itself now, but it is significantly cheaper). The story is the main selling point where Red Dead Online feels like a tack on for the company to make additional money. I know well how the Online for the game works, but it wasn't really my point in relation to the comparisons. Star Stable Online is first and foremost a strictly MMO experience, which falls along the lines of Guild Wars 2, World of War craft, etc. Thus things like microtransations, additional purchases, purchasing the full game or "subscriptions", etc. For instance star stable is a free to play game with memberships tacked onto it then additional micro transactions. Then there's games like WOW, where it's free to play, but you also have to buy the full game then subscriptions on top of it with no option for any sort of "Pay once" lifetime membership or anything along those lines. Is there a comparison to be made between star stable and games lile Red Dead Online (or really any other game with microtransation models)? Of course, I never said that there wasn't! My point is that we've rehashed those comparisons so many times and I'm more interested in seeing comparisons between games also in the MMO space than not as it's an overall less common comparison those talking about the issues with Star Stables prices or in game economy make. I hope that makes more sense, have a lovely day! ❤
Different artists shouldn't be a problem imo. Many large animation corporations expect artists to be able to adjust their styles so that the art/animation is uniform and similar to one another. It's usually a requirement in many of these companies to be able to adjust your style or you won't be hired. Can you imagine if animated films allowed their artists to use whatever style for every frame? Unless done on purpose, it would be very distracting
I've heard (and agree with) a lot of players saying they'd much prefer new quests than new horses. There are so many horses, which is cool, but they don't really make the game, they're just part of it. What makes the game are quests, and their just aren't enough.
Will we see more content on the chat system problems in the game? It's horrible! I would love to find out what is going on with the team, and why the safety of their players is not the highest priority.
FOR REAL! At one point in the past i was playing hide and seek w/ a friend and was counting down.. Guess what? I got chat banned for A WEEK?! A WEEK FOR PLAYING HIDE AND SEEK
On the whole fomo thing. I never had star rider as a kid because my parents didn’t like buying a $70 game for me. So I went 8 years without star rider, so I missed out on the “shiny new horses” and the “shiny new areas” so much that now these things just don’t have any leverage over me. I don’t need the newest horse or the best tack or anything, i buy what I want to and that’s it. In a way I’m glad I went without for so long because it taught me that I don’t need to have the newest thing to enjoy the game. I’ve also never brought star coins and I don’t think I ever will because it just isn’t something that I see worth it, I don’t make enough money to justify spending that much money on star coins.
Finally someone else with the same experience! I'm only star rider now because my account was given to me by a friend who stopped playing. I remember being stuck with my starter horse for months in the beginning, and I hated it then but I'm grateful for that experience now.
I'm so looking forward for part 2!! When I saw this video in my feed I just had to sit down and watch it the whole way through, very detailed and amazing points made by these really lovely and talented content creators. ♡ this video gave me so much to think about, thank you so much for taking the time to make this!!! ♡
Thank you for making these deep dives. Im personally not affected by the "pressure to buy a new horse every month" simply because I do not like the gen 3, and a lot of the times gen2 models. Especially with gen3 horses a lot fo the time I cannot tell the difference between them because lets be honest, the breeds do look very similiar most of the time. What I take issue with is star stable saying they will not do any updates on older gen1 models which is fair, yet those old horses get broken by newer updates. For example the gen1 fjord horses tail gets kind of pushed out of its place when turning while standing still, an issue that certainly was not there a year ago. All I want from this game is to leave the horses as they are once I buy them (if there is no big bugs). Changing whole gaits or animations is frustrating because I want to have exactly what I paid for. One big hit for me was when they decided to completely withdraw the original starter horse model and remove it from all the breeds and coats that people had already bought and replace it with a new model that still, after all these years, feels half baked and like a quick solution. The costant erasure of the games qualities and mechanics is what gets to me too. The location tags, cold tolerance, horse sounds, the horse smiley system, no longer having to push W for the horse not to stop, making ferries obsolete by connecting all the trailer routes, making the night less dark is just a few of the engaging things that have been removed. Its just sad. There is no challenge in this game anymore and it becomes an issue when the main event of the month is esentially new cosmetics that change absolutely nothing about the game. The little there was is getting removed. Not even the interface style is consistent, newer additions such as the horse moodbar or the horse caring wheel do not fit in and look very "basic" with little to no thought put into icons, colors and designs, making them look like concepts rather than finished pieces that are ready to be implemented into the game. Seriously.
I agree, especially with the last part: if we are unhappy, we have power! We can do something about it! If we stop buying everything we see, we might get big and nice changes!! I bought lifetime and stopped spending money since 2019, I think that if more people do the same, Star Stable will change, I really hope so...
Many old games thrive to this day, but sso has been damaged beyond repair I fear. It's time we let it go and move on. It's gonna be hard, given there is no other game like sso, at least not yet, but this game deserves to finally rest. Star stable has been a part of our lives for a long time now, for a lot of us since 2010 even, and it's been 12 years since the game released but 13 if you count the test phases. It's a game that's become too overwhelmed with cosmetics, instead of good quality updates. I say it's time we let this game go, it's all we can do sadly.
what i find crazy is that the morgans came out a month ago and there's already been magic horses, spoilers of lipizzaners, spoilers of pintabians, spoilers of new morgans, and spoilers of more magic horses. it's insane.
And they couldn’t even follow the “high white rule” for Morgan’s. No purebred Morgan is painted. They botched the coats so bad. Should’ve stuck to the originals.
I would love to see a video with everyone discussing what video game mechanics work well in horse themed video games. Give tips and ideas to game developers so they know what things the horse gaming community likes.
I honestly feel like if game developers genuinely care about playing games, and making good games, they should be able to come up with their own ideas for game mechanics. I studied game design at university and unique, interesting mechanics are *the thing that makes your game worth making* according to the majority of players. I would add story as being potentially even higher than mechanics for me personally, but most gamers prioritise mechanics. Otherwise you could read a book or watch a movie instead. Mechanics are what make games worth playing. If the SSO dev team have no ideas of their own that they are passionate about implementing, they really shouldn't be in game design.
I think one of the changes that’ll be not only the best choice-the life saving choices are only release a new breed every few months and save the magic horses ONLY for holiday uses. Using that amount of time will surly allow the creators make the model and animations look so much better, even better-perhaps all them to have breaks inbetween and continue with the star rider quests and fix the already existing breeds that have absolute awful animations. I know this won’t likely happen, unfortunately. But hopefully if it does, it’s not too late.
We had it that way back when I began playing (2018). There was so much more hype and more ppl were actively playing and talking bout the horses. More people felt like they *had* to buy the horse because otherwise they might need to wait a year. It was better back then.
They need to make things harder. Games become boring when they’re too easy/or everything is available. (Such as transport, locations, horses). Horse reputation quests to unlock breeds would be fun like the OG Fjord. The problem is basically everything is available to you after a few hours of playing
I have never even heard of this game before, but as a former Team Fortress 2 player (a game which is also facing a massive cheating problem atm) I have to say that I have never been happier to be able to spam the report button. oh my god my blood is boiling for you guys Also, congrats! The youtube algorithm is recommending your video to tf2 fans now. Stay strong you magnificent horse enthusiasts, here's to hoping the devs do something about our shared problem! Also the hats (horses). Too many fucking hats (horses).
I remember being a sso kid before they changed horse releasing system feeling guilty asking my mom for money to buy new horse almost every 3 months. I cant imagine doing same thing now for every horse that comes out, especially since I cant even decide which horse should I buy nowadays
Something I’ve always thought about is that, let’s say you got unlimited star coins, you would buy everything but then what? The game would be boring without an in game currency because there really is no actual content. That’s when you know there’s an issue.
I am always pretty annoyed of sc prices but I am even more outraged of the js prices and ESPECIALLY the 10000JS border! I pay everything that is buyable with js with them! And it’s soooo annoying that you can’t collect more and you basically can buy ONE item with the maximum amount of js
One thing I wanted to talk about is how much of a disappointment the magical horses have become. I remember playing sso since like 2013 or 2014?? And when they added the magical horses they were presented as a "limited time only thing", the first horses being the almost pony sized horses in a nice blue, pandoria purple, and black and red. However, when sso released them they planned it to be a see once and never again type of situation, now they're bringing the same horses back practically every couple weeks. Not only that but I'm pretty sure they were also the most expensive horses at the time since they were supposed to be so rare. When the horses were first released it would be like once every year or half a year, and as a kid I felt like I had to get that horse because I was feared that I wouldn't be able to see it again. Imagine my disappointment as a kid when I saw the same horse brought back when they were not supposed to be.
had the exact same reaction back then, I figured it'd be a "buy them now or never" few years later and I groan every time there's a new "SUPER EXCLUSIVE RARE MAGIC HORSE BUY NOW!!!" title on the news as if they aren't released what feels like every other update
I got really mad at sso today because the new quest they released had a clock thingy (where you need to wait a day) - this is all well and good, and even though I dont like it, its not the reason Im mad - it simply didnt work. The clock was still there even the next day. I finished the first part yesterday and got the clock yesterday aswell. Today I went on the game, and it remains. Its annoying because I was actually exited about being able to finally do another quest after so long - but the first part of the quest (befor the clock) itself was bugged anyways. Anne didnt follow you well like she was supposed to, I just ran along the pattern while she stood still on the first one, but on the second one I had to wait for her to actually start moving befor I could move to not fail - I had to go out of my way to prevent a bug from happening so I didnt fail the quest! Its just sad. A simple testing of the super short quest could at least prevent that part. Im really mad at sso about this. edit: is your name meant to be visible? cause I can see it... YOU FORGOT TO COVER IT
I've heard of this! Some people have actually paid to 'stay over night' and then lost SC as a result, and SSO is not issuing refunds. The amount of bugs in this game is crazy.
As a player who is clubless and has no friends in SSO, all I do is level my horses while listening to music. Though it can be quite chill and cozy, I just wish they'd release more quests. If they do release one, it's not longer than 20 minutes and you just have to ride around a bit. I stopped paying for this game for years now and only buy Gen 1 or Gen 2 horses with the few free star coins you get, since they are so cheap (and way better than the new ones, but that's just my personal opinion).
About the pricing and the fact that most Players are, probably, kids, who don't know the value of money yet. I was wondering if content creators like you and the others in this video could somehow reach out to parents about the problem with spending too much money on SSO and inform them about this topic. Would something like this be possible? It's just a idea. I don't know if content creators can actually do that. Hope everyone has a nice day! :)
Honestly, it’s an amazing video. I loved it, and felt especially close to the role play point of view. My first rp horse was a Connemara. I had to change my plans because the game moved too fast. And now, I stopped. I can’t change the storyline every week. Because it’s like a vlogging channel, so it has to feel real, with real time. And people don’t buy and sell horses every week. And I do agree with the money thing. I stopped buying star coins because I can’t afford it anymore : I have to work for my expenses, and France is getting more and more expensive. There are months where I can barely afford my food, so I really can’t buy more star coins. And other games feel better to spend money. Hell, even Genshin Impact feels more fulfilling than SSO : I do collect characters, but each have a function, and they make me think, improvise teams, they make me fall in love with their story… it’s still expensive, but it feels more personal, engaging. In SSO, you have to do everything by yourself to avoid getting bored. So… nope. I won’t spend money in it. Especially when I don’t know how they use the money.
Uuuuuh this is gonna be good. Your SSO videos are always so entertaining. I like SSO, but I feel like the game could be so much more... We could have so many nice things, but all I get when I log in is daily tasks and races.... I've played RDR2 for over what? 2 years now? I finished the story ages ago, but I've spent hundreds of hours just wandering around, exploring the world. And yes: The map is a lot bigger, but the difference is: It's alive. I see deer running around, wild horses grazing in the distance and have NPCs who don't just stand there like paper-cut-outs. I don't expect SSO to have the same quality, but it feels like they don't even try. I don't want new horses anymore... They are overpriviliged cars with no soul. Give me anything! Give them a little bit of personality. It' doesn't matter what their description says about them. It's whats shown in the actual game that matters. They are robots with a random idle animation. Maybe let us teach them small dressage tricks. Some of them already do, why not give them to all. (AND FFS PLEASE LET EVERY HORSE HAVE A BUCKING ANIMATION) Oh right, it's money -.-
Thank you Fluffle! ♥ Hope the video lives up to your expectactions! There are a lot of voices in there, so enjoy! As for the game, oh yes, it has a lot of potential, and deserves a lot more than the company is giving it!
I’d also like to add to the factor of weekly updates. I feel like with this company mindset they have it hurts the workers that work on the game in a way. Like imagine how stressful it can be to get everything done for the update that is coming out Wednesday. Probably why the updates are so lackluster because some of the other portions of future updates are taking up way to much time to finish the weekly updates with a lot of content. I would support 100% if they moved updates to once a month just to give the people that work on the game time to work on much bigger updates that could feed the play base what they want/need. As someone who is part of a group working on games giving the workers time to be able to do things for the game is a lot more important that pumping it out as quick as possible (both for workers and consumers). It can get frustrating perhaps and I definitely don’t support the continuation of pushing back updates/games and taking forever like cyberpunk 2077 because that was disappointing but that means setting a goal that’s achievable is that much more important. They have a decently large team but I feel like (from an outsider pov) their management don’t give their workers enough time and I think that’s generally where that issue comes from. This and the workers that enable it.
A bug that really makes me not wanna play anymore when it happens is a bug regarding the pinboard? at Starshine Ranch where you can pick up to four races at a time. Well... if you were to pick those options too fast the last race you select will not be selected. As for some reason you can't pick it anymore. Sometimes it happens randomly as well, even if I try to select the races slow. It's only fixable by logging off and on again, which I just can't be bothered to do. It just ruins my mood to play the game.
I am so lucky to share all of these opinions mentioned. As an older player, seeing a game so beloved and cherished go even further from what you once knew is disheartening. The greed, lack of time, and effort in planning things correctly, just takes the soul away from the game. It's a cash grab now, and I surely hope with enough force from the community we will make SSO listen to our concerns and issues within the game. This was a well-thought-out video Rattle!
I started playing SSO almost a year ago and hoped at the time I could create a lot of my content on the game. The more I played though, the more shocked I became at the lack of dev support for the player base and the obvious cash grab business model. SSO has so many fans that have been completely faithful to them for years despite the mistreatment. I’ve made friends now and still play to compete in dressage competitions but, simply put, the players deserve better. Amazing video btw!
A lot to unpack here, let's be real. The new horses do look stunning. Compare them to generations 1 and 2, the 3rd ones look absolutly stunning. The animations are amazing, the coats are amazing, visually they are very pleasing. So we can definitly see improvment. But, just like in the video said, there are too many. I have 1 horse of every breed and back then I trained them all out. Now? I have 4-5 new breeds on lvl one, maybe get some motivation to play SSO, train 2 horses to 15, get burned out again. Next breed releases, buy one, train one, burn out. I haven't bought star coins over a year and I save up quite a lot of them, because I do not buy magical horses and since I am not playing as much, the coins just add up. But it still shows how this overflow of new breeds burned me out. I am not getting hyped, even tho I would love a breed. Speaking of magical horses, I was a huge fan of them. Now? Not so much. We get too many and some are really similar to others, f.e. we have 2 cherrytree themed horses and 2 birch themed horses. And at the end, they are just recolours. So very easy for SSO to get more money with minimal efford.
well said!! thank you for these informative videos. They are always so well done and it’s so nice hearing the other youtubers perspectives and thoughts!❤
this is such a wonderful video and i agree with your overall take from talking to these creators to develop your opinion further. what strikes me the most, is that i believe you're entirely right about SSO just being a "face" in a way - they post and promote flashy and fancy stuff but their base product is starting to show its true colors as new horse games arise. abigail is entirely right in saying that we just need to stop buying star coins, we need to stop "feeding the monster" because the monster is making really good profits and $$ rules the world. unfortunately, we have no other "monsters" to feed right now since many promising monsters/games are still in development stages and i think thats why we're all stuck on star stable. i think most of us will always be stuck to star stable in some way (its like a genuine addiction i swear, and a lot of us have made good friends), but when astride (just for example) finally releases and is good (lets hope), given it has a multiplayer aspect we might finally find our new monster if the game can provide us with the experience i think we've all been craving for so long - that craving for a good horse game that we can enjoy with our friends and truly enjoy the game and its atmosphere/story/activities and not feel like we're just dumping money into flashy overpriced items and horses. i think equestrians and anyone who's been around horses or even watched videos of being around horses can relate to wanting a game that brings us that giggly feeling of "ahh, horses ♡" even while performing simple tasks like cleaning stalls, or tacking up your horse. i have hope for games that will be released in the future, however my hope for SSO dwindled to nothing a while ago
Oh damn yes! Players are desperately looking for a horse game that will give us the experience of having a horse. No game can truly do this, but that's the reason horse games, no matter their caliber are popular. Players are desperate, SO desperate for a good horse game, and they'll play anything if it means they can have their dream horse. Trust me, I've been there XD Hopefully, in the near future a game will come out that will be able to dethrone SSO. Not to make them shut down, but to force them sort out their priorities and push the game into that potential it has! We can only hope! Also, thanks for checking out the video April! ♥ :D
I remember when I was in 5th-6th grade, I would wake up a whole hour before getting ready to go to school just to train my horses and run through the wonderful world of Jorvik. Now, I haven’t logged on in months. I put so much time and money into this game just to see it go downhill, it really makes me sad.
This was a great video. I agree with so many things said in here. I'm a teenager that started playing the game in late 2020, so I don't know how this all feels for older players who have been playing this game longer than me. I remember being blown away by SSO. I watched so, SO many videos on the lore (fun fact, Eleanor Nightwalker was the one that pushed me to drastically improve my English, as a non-native speaker), I watched horse buying videos... and then I got the game. I managed to play without paying for it for about... three months, then I bought the monthly subscription... and then the lifetime. I bought Star coins twice, both during the double offer. Basically, early 2021 was the time I actually spent money on SSO. I even bought the entire book series once I was sure I'd be able to understand it. I was obsessed with this all, and I started defending every single fault and error present in the game, ignoring the things that weren't good and refusing to accept that this game is just... mediocre. Eventually though, my perspective shifted. I don't remember what it was that made me change how I viewed SSO, but it's definitely connected to the horses. There were just... SO MANY of them. Too many. Horses, and filler updates. I stopped following the weekly updates on the website, because I just.. couldn't get invested in it. It truly dawned on me then just how much money I spent on this one horse game, when I could buy so many better games of different genres I prefer now, rather than keep giving money to a game that's extremely mediocre. I stopped being invested in the story as well, overall I just kind of... stopped caring. I still play this game on occasions, I just noticed that the amount of horses I buy has drastically lowered, just because it's extremely hard to even care about those brand new breeds that get released all the time. And I do hope that it improves for the better... and most importantly, I hope that I'll be able to feel like I'm playing a game again, not feeding a money-consuming horse making machine. There's also a personal element connected to why I don't like SSO as much as I did before: ever since acquiring Star Stable, I've started questioning my gender identity and started identifying as trans. I remember making a whole self insert story about my SSO character back in 2020... and then suddenly, I disassociated from the character I played as entirely. And I think that was the thing that really pushed me personally over the edge. I no longer even found this sense of comfort in the game, of getting to be a magical hero in a world filled with horses... because, and I might sound weird right now, but... it started feeling like this game doesn't want me here. It's marketed towards girls. And with all the things around the game pushing for this "horse girl" centered narrative, I often ask myself if this game even knows that it's not just girls that are playing. I still kind of hope the character update changes some things about that, but... until then, I'll just log in every now and then to do a few races and wait for... something to happen.
wondering why you have no likes, no replies. I'm also a trans individual and it's crazy how much it truly is marketed to JUST young girls. and sso's official excuses for no male characters is absolute bs. if anything, it's more sexist to do this kind of crap, because horses have been this 'girly' thing, and even still are. ponies and pink and sparkly (basically what all sso is nowadays) are all things to be judged for if you AREN'T an 8 year old little girl. wouldn't it be called sexist if a company outright came out and said 'no we can't add female characters to our male game, because it's meant for males! we need empowerment for our boys! it's this [insert stereotypical male thing here] game and only boys should be playing this because this [typical male thing] IS only for boys!' like what??? why the double standard here with sso? having more gender-neutral options in general would be amazing, more masculine and male stuff? awesome. a male character? would be terrific and really gosh darn cool. but unfortunately, it's never gonna happen. the horse girl narrative IS sexist and outdated. horses are seen as something to look down upon or being 'cringe', and the way sso markets their stuff now? instead of how some things used to be? well it certainly can be viewed as cringe.
The problem of first gen 3 horses feel so out of place compared to newest gen 3 is SO REAL! I am so scared that one day we will get like, gen 4 of horses and we will have to repeat that buying horse breeds cycle all over again... Its so annoying, that sso is not trying to be consistent with graphic design and style, like most game do.
This! I’m a player since 2012 and for example I have the Friesian in EVERY generation, To be fair I don’t really play since 2016 so the gen 3 Friesian I did just bought cuz I had many star coins due to being lifetime and idk what to do with them since you can’t spend them on something original, but if I were a consistent player I would be so mad that the same horse exists in different versions and you have to buy them each time, other games when they update their animation,style, whatever update the old mount and you don’t have to buy a new one but that wouldn’t make as much money so sso ofc rather releases the same horse a thousand times as „updated“ Not to mention that the horses IMO don’t have any charm or character anymore and are just dull but that’s preference I guess
I seriously just love your channel and bringing a more educated and detailed perspective on these issues. I also really appreactice you letting us hear what others had to say, it was very interesting to listen to their opinions. As an older player, it is so sad to see this game go downhill like this. Its a miracle im even still playing lol. I doubt it will ever happen but I do hope SSO wakes up and starts doing things differently because this game still has a lot of potential.
So many good topics and discussions in this video! Thank you for creating this. There are many things that I've been thinking about myself for a long time, such as if less frequent updates would mean less bugs, or if Star Coins were more affordable, then I would actually buy them and I think many other people would too.
29:30 WAIT WAIT WAIT. So this entire time, since 2019, I wasn't getting star coins when I didn't log in AND THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING ANYWHERE? I rarely log in and recently I actually quit due to it being plain boring, and because of wanting to focus on my own projects and school, and them not handing out star coins for not logging in is the reason I to this day couldn't save up. They seriously did that? I'm not going crazy?
5:22 i never realized that but thats actually true. the time there the first friezes came out. I was so happy to buy one and was exicited to wait a few weeks for star coins. Same thing with the first time there we got Araber. Now its like "yeah pretty, i am going inactive for few weeks again probably and gonna buy them one day" yeah this spoilers just feeling like "oh today came a little update BUT NEXT WEEK IS COMING SOMETHING BETTER" and then its the anne riding question that going to a end after 2 days. Like cool thank you.
Thankyou for considering all of these problems. You can tell that SSO is ashamed of stuff like this, You can tell that things that were just released have glitches, bugs, movement moves aren't even special anymore because the lay down special move is for the jwh and shire. A special move is to make that horse special. Your just paying 30 dollars for one horse that is not even special. Thankyou for your time guys
I always agree with all the points made in these videos. Looking back at what I’ve spent on this game over the years actually makes me feel a little sick. I was an adult when I started playing (I’m old haha) and having just pre ordered a DLC for a AAA title game which was cheaper than the price of 1 sso horse will provide 10+ hours of new gameplay without constantly doing the same races over and over and over again… it’s a no brainer. I didn’t know they have stopped giving in-active players their weekly star coins. That’s really taking the P considering most of us who go offline for months on end is because we are bored of the game and have done everything there is to do except training horses. Thank you again for another great video!
Last week I managed to play wildshade for the first time, because my cell phone couldn't run the game before and soon after Star Equestrian was released, I'm addicted to both games and I even forgot that Star Stable exists. But I love your videos so much and I'm always waiting for this notification that brings me joy 😊😊 And I can't wait for your Star Equestrian game review 🐎🌟
I got hacked a few months back, the person sold all my clothes, almost all my horses, all my tack, and other miscellaneous items. I am a level 19 that's been playing for 6+ years, I had hundreds of items in my closet and 100+ horses. When I contacted sso, they gave me back 10 of my horses. Thats all. no money refund or anything....Everything was gone. I understand some things you can't do, but that is my own personal money that came out of my bank account that was lost because someone else got ahold of my credentials. I rarely log on to sso now, and I am sad that my passion for it has died, but I dont really have much to play for, especially now that the main quests are so bad. ADDING: I noticed the shift in the abundance of horses around when the AQHs came out, thats when I noticed how frequent they were becomingm
I joined SSO in November. In playing pretty much every day, but still trying to make the content last, since I was aware it had the reputation for being thin on the ground, I exhausted the entire main quest, most of the side quests, and reached admired in all but a few factions in 4 MONTHS. This is a 10 year old game! That is absolutely WILD, that I got through 10 years of game in LESS THAN HALF A YEAR. Honestly, SSO as a company should be pretty embarrassed. I still enjoy their glitchy, buggy, ridiculous product, but WOW, they are running in their own little world because horse games are so far off on the sidelines.
I remember playing SSO in what I like to think of as it's peak when community life was thriving and horses weren't frequent which let us get excited. That was the time when we were asking for the updates that they're only now giving us. I think in addition to the choice overload (which has honestly led to choice-paralysis for me - I can't even stand to look at the updates page anymore because it's just too many!) it's just too late. All of my old SSO friends have grown up, we're busy now with life, or finding our fun somewhere else. I can't even log on for the excuse of reliving my childhood and for the sake of nostalgia - it's all gone! It's all changed, nothing's the same, they even changed the Starcoin and Shillings GUI to something so ugly and minimalistic I kind of feel ill looking at them. Of course, I have ADHD so it's amplified for me but it's still the same point: something that used to bring joy and comfort now only gives me anxiety and discomfort. Amelia was right, it just stresses you out. It is impossible to keep up with for it's prices and it's changes, with every horse breed is a new tack series aswell, making it simply impossible to keep pace. It's unhealthy. There isn't enough joy in this game anymore to put in any effort.
When did it stop accumulating the star coins if you don't log on? It must have been recently, last 12 months I was in and out of hospital and came back to a nice stack of coins. This change is very underhand, and I didn't see any announcements about it. I admit to horse fatigue, too many horses being released, so no excitement. Lack of quests, and cheating in champs, but that's been the same for years. Thank you for a reasoned discussion, it is appreciated.
I know nothing of online horse mmos, but I think your content is a fascinating look at a kind of game I wouldn't normally engage with. As for an actual comment of substance, I think "Just stop buying things!" is made more complicated by how the mtx are spread across players. Whales are a great source of microtransaction income. 1 player who can afford to drop 70 bucks a month for cartoon horse funbucks is worth more than six who only spend ten.
I'm happy they're listening to what we want but unsatisfied with the quality of things produced. THATS why we're angry. Obviously, we were all super excited when sso announced new players....until we saw what they would look like 😦
Even as a kid playing back in 2012 I remember feeling quite underwhelmed with the game. It was boring. The target audience is kids but…where in the questlines is there true gameplay for kids?? It’s literally JUST reading and I had no attention span for it. I got bored and played SSO similar to how I play the Sims 4 NOW. I’d obsess for a week, then drop it for months at a time. I might be in the minority there, but really I don’t see SSO’s current approach as something maintainable. New players feel intimidated to play catch-up which makes them not want to keep playing, and older players are bored out of their minds bc really, what gameplay is there other than spending money?
I absolutely agree with you. I really don't see how "old sso is better" when it was literally the same crap as it was now. The difference is that nowdays the older players are, well, old enough to understand their scummy tactics, something that they couldn't grasp when they were younger.
Dude even when they pump out horses we can't even enjoy the new ones that just came out! I want more quests, more stories! More map updates, do interactive things. I don't want to keep spending $70 a week trying to keep up with all these horses.
Seeing this animated short of Lisa and Starshine playing in the background is almost comical because you just KNOW they spend a fuckton of money to have this developed and animated (and it looks great, like a high end cg animated movie) only to completely change Lisa afterwards. She doesn't look like this anymore and neither does Starshine. So a fuckton of money just went down the drain. Good job SSO Anwyays I love love your videos! Im always looking forward to any new content from you, I love the longer documentary style of videos you make 😊 I don't even watch any other sso creators but always tuning in to whatever you come up with :)
I randomly start rewatching your old videos and you drop a new ideo on the same day? I feel like I've summoned you. Excited to watch it, since I stopped playing SSO completely in the past year and I'm not familiar with the recent issues. From the title I'm guessing it hasn't gotten any better huh?
WHO SUMMONED RATTLE? lol! It's just weird that players are so upset, in the next part I'm hoping to explore some different sides of the spectrum. it's a difficult one to put together, lemme tell ya!
I truly wish I had never started playing. I was a depressed child who found it by chance and made it their whole personality; my parents must’ve spent over $500 and now that I’m an adult I realize I fell for a makeshift Ponzi Scheme. I am promised fun, I pay, the higher ups have fun, repeat. I don’t play SSO because I like it, I play because I told myself I liked it until I believed it.
I only see this video one week after release but wanted to give my own opinions on the current state of the game. I started playing SSO around 2014 if I remember correctly. And I remember back then how horses came out so rarely that every time it happened, I was so excited to check it out. Around 2016 I grew out of the game and started playing other games. I still logged on once or twice a year until I completely stopped. It was the end of last year that I started playing again and oh god the game changed while I was gone. Almost every old horse now had an updated version and even completely new breeds were released. And to my shock, the story did not continue that much further than I hoped it would. The game looks very different in textures and design besides the UI. I do like change and how it basically got improved to appeal to younger generations. Though the amount of horses and magic horses shocked me very much. Once they were rare and special and now they are a common accurance. However, what still made me the most upset was the state of the Global and Local chats. Players were insulting each other again and again for hours and antagonizing everyone who had a different opinion. The chat is absolutely toxic and racial slurs are thrown around which are not even banned in the Chat. It was awful to see that the word "Discord" is banned in every variation and way you can try to possibly write it but racial slurs and other harsh insults and words are easy to write. This chat is not being moderated at all and consequences for players seem extremely low. No matter how many times I reported sexual conversations, terrible insults and other awful conversations, these players kept coming back with little to no punishment. And seeing this in a game that is mainly for kids, I am absolutely mindblown. The Team does not focus on safety of their player base but rather on making horses to earn more cash from their vulnerable young players. The amount of times I have requested to change this in star stable idea emails is countless. For lifetime membership you spend like 70 euros when it is not on sale. It is awfully expensive and you are not even able to buy yourself more than one horse because you only get like 1200 sc for your purchase! So you are able to play the story through without worrying about your membership expiring or having to renew it or even waiting for codes but you cannot even afford more than one new generation horse. And to that, you cannot afford much of the clothing since the newer saddles now already cost 110 sc. The prices are so high that it seems insane for most adults. Though since it is a kids game and they do not have a sense of money yet, they want to buy it all on the cost of their parents. It is very clever of star stable to use the children they aim for to pull money out of the pockets of their parents. When going around steves farm where everyone hangs out, I sometimes check out other players profiles to see their level, amounts of horses etc. And I kid you not, most of these players are level 11 and already have 10-20 horses on level one or two in their stable. They have not even finished much of the story and already own many horses without even using them at all. And if they do not, they get insulted by other players for being poor or ugly. This game is absolutely toxic and way too expensive for what it actually is. And unfortunately it is not possible to stop feeding the machine since the game aims for young players that spend their parents money on star coins. They do not care how much it costs since they are not the ones actually spending their earned money. Only the older generations of SSO players are actually spending their earned money on this game. These players are able to stop spending, but the kids will never do the same unfortunately. I just wish they would focus a bit more on their community and try to satisfy their requests to some extend. Listen to your community and make the game enjoyable for everyone who owns it.
I see so many bugs when I log in that when you said that there are a lot of bugs I was like "what bugs", because it just became part of the game for me 💀💀 That's crazy
Hi I am an it student and want to add some it project insight. In many software development projects (what StarStable is) agaile scrum is used what I suspect StarStable also uses agaile scrum. In scrum you have a backlog where features are added and in increments of 1 or 2 weeks these features are released. These are called sprint. At the end a sprint a release able product should be released. This means that at the end of a sprint a working product is there without bugs (not a finished product, just a working product). StarStable has badly implemented it. The workers either have to many tasks or just aren’t motivated enough to correctly full fill their tasks. Or testing the game isn’t optimized. Which creates a game with many bugs, unfinished products etc.
this game does not seem like its.....fun. like its just a money spending scam at this point? fueled by fomo? like. its pseudo nft horses that dont do anything special? man theyre gonna be toast if a better competitor comes along
I'm not sure if you've played it based on that comment, but the best part of SSO was undeniably the plot as well as the open world aspect. Nowadays it's all pretty much gone to shit but back when I started playing discovering all the hidden locations (with the soundtrack on) and piecing the story together was THE shit. The plot used to genuinely be so gripping it made sense for day blockers to exist.
Bro, I remember when they started changing the batch of coats... And I was legit in shock, that even a bunch of my club remember and friends, when that first happened I thought "maybe it was an accident, or a test?" but when the next horses that all came out at once, again I was shocked and realized this is Star Stable changing their ways for no reason. I used to be an ACTIVE member of the SSO community but now, I just get super bored with it because I've done everything and I just want a good long quest (like a quest that can actually stay around until the next update comes or something), and nearly every horse they brought out recently just not my favorite horse (expect the Belgium horse, that horse is pretty good along with the American Paints and Arabians), like for eg, I can NOT handle seeing the new Morgans because I just cringe so badly on their legs as it's really weird for me and just gives me bad vibes on another pony (which legit slips my mind). But us getting horses EVERY DAMN MONTH is not what I want... I want something to ACTUALLY do and not spend my 100sc I get every damn week. Personally, I hate the spoilers these days, because one... I worry that Star Stable WILL screw over the breed (like they did to the Thoroughbreds and Frisians), I remember when the TBs were brought out and I brought them all, but they DON'T have the look of a TB, they legit look like donkeys every time I see them with their small head, big eyes and big ears, even the quality of the TBs looked crap until so many people complained that the horse's coat legit looked like it was just plastic. They also screwed over the Trakehners over a year later because everyone didn't 'like' how the horse moved, I brought the Trakehner because I loved their movements and now, I hate them with a passion because it was NOT the horse I brought so much money on (hell, they don't even come out of my stable now). There is sooooo many horses that mentally dislike because of HOW they move and how bugged the horses were. My girlfriend was very pissed at SSO for not bringing out the OG Tree horses (aka the Lusis) because during the time, she was away and missed those horses (she has a massive grudge about it) and my girlfriend hates the 'dragon' horses as she is a hardcore dragon fan but said (and I quote) "Those are NOT dragons, those are bloody Lizards..." I mean, she's not wrong... They kinda remind me of Thrill-neck Lizard lol Bugs... Ooooooooooh, there was so many bugs that I HATED in the game... When the Halloween Event came out (maybe two or three years ago), you legit could NOT go anywhere as the whole world and players were just Black and everything... I was traumatized about it for a long time (hell, that is still talked about among my friends). There was a REAL bad bug maybe last year or something at New Hillcrest where at the back of the building (near the Championships basically) your WHOLE screen will slowly bug out... It got so bad that the GAME crashed for me (I was luckily enough to log back in and move FAR from there), my girlfriend had the exact same problem and it was cringe for us... I think in ONE of the story Quests (with Linda and Galloper Thompson) and you could NOT even click on the quest because it was badly bugged out that only players that use the "E" to go to quests could be able to start it... I am ONE of those players that rather click on the quest with my mouse, so doing the 'e' button was a pain for me and frustrating that I could not even get the game to actually work, had to wait until the next day to sort out the problem out. There was one bug I found recently which was legit the horse buying menu, EVERYTIME I try and see the gaits of a horse, the game LEGIT goes from walk RIGHT to either Fast Gallop or Special move, and NO matter how many times I click the arrows to try and SEE the gaits, it would GET it completely stuck (Lets just say, you do NOT want to see what happens when you try and go from 'gallop' to 'full gallop' in the buying menu... I just died laughing at it until it actually got worse...) The only way to fix that bug was to re-log... I can continue the many ways of why I can't handle SSO anymore unlike how I used to, but... I think I covered it all up pretty easily lol Star Stable seriously needs to look at themselves in a mirror and ask themselves "Is it WORTH doing what we are doing? Are we pumping out TOO many horses? Are we ASKING too much from the players?" THAT'S how bad they are going on this path.. Not gonna lie, the bugs are basically just laughing at SSO since SSO is SO slow on fixing them but SO fast on bring out horses nearly week...
While I currently don't play SSO, a game I play is experiencing the same thing. Creatures of Sonaria is a survival game on Roblox. Basic concept is you are a creature and you just survive. Each week they are pumping out two creatures that range in prices of 1.k to 10k. Some even cost actual money. At the time I'm writing this, the game currently has 230+ creatures. I can't imagine how new players feel when they see this long list of creatures you can get. Not to mention older players, I have a hard time choosing which creature to grow because of the amount. Another this is they have gachas. Those can range from 65 to 2.5k. Again some cost actual money and even other in game points. The gachas are also a chance thing, like the eggs in adopt me. Getting mushrooms(what the currency is called) is a long task. The last few months they added missions and it gives you some mushrooms. But considering the prices the creatures are, the missions are almost worthless. It does add up over time but if you are currently having creatures added, you are unlikely to have alot. They do have events but those creatures cost alot. For events, you have a completely different currency which is nice. However the creatures still cost alot and the mini games during those events don't give out enough for you to get the creature you want. And of course over the years, more and more will be added onto of the older ones. Plus one Easter event completely broke the trade stock and caused another event called the LSS. You needed to pay 35k total to get all four creatures. Alot of the older creatures need remodels but they completely get pushed back for the newer ones. But half of the time the newer ones have other issues. Like when they do a certain pose, you can see something go through it's neck. Off the creatures, the map was in need of a update. A year ago, we had news that a new map was coming. But for whatever reason it was cancelled months later. Flash step to now, we again have another map in progress. As of now its said to be 70% - 80% done. Only time will tell if we actually get it.
I know right... those stupid privacy questions are so goddamn stupid. Oh, you put a random bday date on your acc? Tough luck. Oh, you no longer use the credit card that you used 10 years ago? No new email for yoooou~ They should implement 2 step authentication at this point if they're so concerned about "hacking"
@@saltykitty9215 yeah, I can't change my email because I bought lifetime with A PAYSAFECARD CODE, I DO NOT HAVE AN ACCOUNT! And they still ask for a receipt, what receipt?! All you need is the confirmation email as always!
@@saltykitty9215 At least you got there. I haven't even gotten them to reply to my support query to get my email changed. Why? Because they keep trying to contact the email address that I can no longer access instead of the new one i provided them.
Also: there's a quest on 15-16 level where Linda takes you to Dino Valley, but dissapears as soon as you step foot into Stonecutters Vault, making it impossible to continue with the main quests. I've seen some people say they've had this problem for up to a year now and SSO continues to do nothing. Nice
great video, like always! no arguments to your points, this is all what the game has as problems and for years I have been voicing the same stuff too; they have money to release toy lines, merch, books, music, TV series and new games - why isn't their main product making enough progress? Star Stable released (or brought back) an absurd amount of horses last year, and I'll lay the statistics here for you to really see how the horse burn out is 100% valid: 7 new horse breeds of which they released 6-7 coats with first release, ranging from 800 to 950sc (45 in total > if u bought 1 of each it would be 6250) with these, they also made extra coats to different breeds in game (11) and variants in the horses app (8) AND the new magic horses (5×2) which totals to 74 new coats, cheapest being 800sc :D (also most new magic horses came with pets and most new breeds came with exclusive tack) then they returned horses in magical horse rotations (which is a thing added last year) and festivals, they brought back 37 (+ Birkir & Hanami second time so 39) from Soul Steed, magic horses and equestrian festival exclusives, ranging from 300sc to 975sc so the new/returning coats would add to 111 horses & not to forget discounts/price drops and retirements
That's why I often prefer offline singleplayer games. In those, you at least don't have to deal with the devs randomly changing or removing key aspects of the game whenever they feel like it.
I quit this game in 2021. Part of the reason was because there is no way to entertain yourself without spending money. I have paid $75 CAD for the game but found myself bored after I have discovered other games, especially ones where I am able to have my character represent me. An issue I have with star stable is I can’t feel connected with my character because it doesn’t represent me. I’m a guy, a character that has no dialogue and no personality has no way to connect with me. I play games where our characters don’t have dialogue but the main difference is I can make my character look like me or look really ridiculous. Anyways, back to the money thing. I payed $40 for a game it it’s demo release. This was before beta and before alpha, I was among the first players of this game. In the 3 years that it has been worked on, it has been worth more in content than star stable. It’s not a horse game, but it’s a game that I am fond of and I think that since it’s also an indie game, it’s comparable. In year 1 of this game, we got fighting mechanisms, map expansions, precise movements, about 10 new creatures to play as and a questing system. In the second year we got a growth system, 5 new creatures and got to see development on a new map, as well as community servers. In the third year, aka 2022 to august of this year, we got a new map, 5 new creatures again with more on the way. These updates came out slowly, unlike star stable, but also unlike star stable, they were refined and came with very few bugs. It’s much less content coming out each month but it’s better content. Sso needs to remember quality over quantity.
New horses used to be the most exciting thing, now it's just a regular tuesday, and half the horses are rushed and very ugly, either in looks or in animation or BOTH.
I think SSO could benefit a lot more from limiting how many new models they make and instead release more coat variants if they want to make more money. Cause obviously new coats take way less time and resources than new models and they can still make a lot of money.
Here's my thing with SSO releasing so many horses - they're effectively running their game into an early grave if this is their long-term plan. There is only a finite amount of horse breeds in the world, and thus only so many horse breeds that SSO can release unless they decide to start making their own. They want the game to last at least another 10 years, but at the rate they're releasing breeds currently, they *will* eventually run out of new breeds to release and horse to update during that time - so what's their backup plan for when that happens?
y'know I never thought about how ridiculous a lifetime membership price was until recently. I got a lifetime membership for my 8th birthday (I'm 17 now), so the thought never crossed my mind. But looking at it... A lifetime membership in this game is worth maybe $20 if they keep this up
i agree with the fact that sso is releasing too many horses, especially compared to the so little star coins that we receive for free. there is absolutely no way to be able to buy the horses without buying star coins, or just sacrificing not buying other horses or coats, which is most likely not an option for many (often due to feeling left out, not being able to choose just one coat, fearing when the horses will leave and they wont be able to buy them again, thinking that they may regret buying one coat and not the other) I know from personal experience, that when the magical horses are released, I feel obligated to get both along with their pets, and coming from someone who loves collecting all the magic horses, it feels terrible to have just one and not the other, it feels incomplete. I also think that everything is over priced, and that goes for everything, horse gear and accessories, character gear and accessories, and especially the horses themselves. considering how little star coins you get every week, it is no where near enough to keep up with the new released and horse rotations. along with the fact that people pay so much money to get star coins, but then only receive enough for like 2 or possibly 3 horses. sso need to calm down with the horses, and the prices. i understand that they need to earn money, but considering how expensive everything is, not many are able to afford things, especially younger kids who have to ask their parents for money, feeling left out when they can't buy a new horse that everyone else around them has.
The video formatting is so good and easy to take in everything the video has to say. And address. I hate how greedy SSO has become, and how much certain people just defend with the same arguments
At this point SSO has turned into a 3D model viewing software. I think their best bet is to make this single player so they can stop paying for servers and just start a whole new game in a whole new engine. They clearly don't like their story, the game is completely broken and it has just turned into an unhealthy addiction for players because people just waste their money paying for these useless 3D models. SSE would probably be best producing 3D horse assets on the unity store or something, people would be able to use those horses for something cool like a fun game or animation. Obviously this isn't going to happen and it would upset a lot of people to remove the online feature. Even just letting people have a mod-able single player version would be awesome (like RDR) so people can fix your game for you SSE!
My dealbreaker with sso as someone who played it for an entire decade is the leveling system. If i missed out on ONE event quest, that exp will be lost forever. I, as someone who takes hiatuses because of health issues, aswell as new players have no chance to ever reach the top players. It wouldn't be as big of a problem if stats weren't involve. But they are, and i got tired because of it.
i remember back in the day as soon as the coat colors were released i'd pick one and save star coins and i'd already have a name and i was always SO EXCITED and i always LOVED my new horses but now its like "okay havent logged on for 2 weeks... lets see the new horses ig 🙄"
I personally don't buy every new horse in the game, eventhough I have more than enough star coins to do so. Horses are really pushed the last few years, when I started playing (2014) it wasn't that way at all and it was super exciting if a new horse dropped. I hope they pick up their quest making again, because there have been such good quests (like the one with Madison and her family), we need more like that.
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i think we should delete horses from starstable, like we can just walk around right !!!🙄
The "to many horses becoming overwhelming" is a real thing. Its often referred to "choice overload" where people get presented with too many options and as a result they have difficulty making a choice at all. When making a decision becomes overwhelming its a negative feeling so people start to avoid it.
Ohhhh! This is such a good POINT!!! I forgot about this! Thanks for mentioning it!
Omg this is true. I have a friend who can’t make a choice on a horse so they buy all the coats.
for real i haven’t bought a horse for over a year because there are constantly new ones being released so i don’t know which one to choose and i keep waiting in case a better one will come out…
that's what I've sstarted to experience with a game called creatures of sonaria. there's SO MANY creatures. there's at least 2 or more that get added EVERY friday night. updates every friday are fine but the creature overload is getting to be too much. I can't possibly afford all of them (in game currency not robux) to the point where I'll likely NEVER have some of the newer things.
I hope it improves and they slow down to remodel old models but like, I can't bring myself to play right now.
I don't play SSO but know a bit about it and came across rattle's channel when watching fer.al videos talkuing about what happened with that. So I know how sso players feel to an extent, just not as long running because SSO is much older than the games I've had issues with. you guys deserve better.
I feel this so much. I'm a relatively "new" paid member, so my star coins are pretty low. The Belgian Warmbloods and Tennessee Walkers came out last year and I had so many I wanted, coat-wise. It became *stressful* trying to narrow down which one I wanted, since i could only afford one. Ended up getting the percheron on a whim instead just so I could make myself stop fretting over a decision (she's one of my favorites, so all is good, lol). I... probably won't make myself go through that again.
To me, I am very frustrated because this game is not the game I remember. The game was originally set to take place after the Starshine comics and games, a game to complete the mystery of Jorvik and there is STILL no ending. SSO no longer has this mysterious feel to it anymore and it just feels like a horse collector game and it's vibe has switched to realism or cartoonish realism.
I couldn't describe my feelings better than this.
Basically Breyer The Game
it did feel mysterious but i honestly cant put my finger on it. honestly didn’t play it enough as a kid i’m not sure if it’s because i was super clueless or there was more to be explored? what is it and why is it gone?
@@comfortme The vibe that they used to have is very close to what you'd see in a Lovecraftian story. The main villain(s) aren't even the Dark riders but Garnok. I bet a good chunk of players don't even know that because of just how far SSO has taken things.
@@comfortme because the game is now targeted for 5 year olds who wanna look at barbie horses
The animators need to spend more time on the new breeds. Less than a month isn't enough - the new ones are becoming more and more robotic.
It's like they're reverting back to their old issues.
i think the american paint horse still has the best model and animations in the game, a horse that was released 18 months ago, in a game that has horse releases bi-monthly
@@filidolphini Agreed.
@@filidolphini 100% agree
On the flipside to this, players need to recognize the incredibly high standard SSO set themselves up for, with creating breed-specific animations for every breed.
There's only so many ways a horse can do the same gaits across breeds, the constant "this horse's animations are copy-pasted from this horse" is just needless outrage.
BAD animations are absolutely a thing, but I see more nitpicking over "it looks similar to x other horse" far more often
And yet there are still people angry about us being angry
Isn't that the truth XD
@@YTRattle you probably saw people on the Cozy Bee Games server... always mad when I say anything about old sso being better... denying the issues, glorifying them even
Yeah it’s weird too. I mean I’m just glad they’re doing things besides just horses now but there’s stuff they gotta fix
@@midnightgalaxy886 yeah they're in complete denial
@@RimFaxxe Like with how money hungry they are
For me its too little too late.
I'm part of the old guard. I've been here since 2012.
Empty promises for years makes it into a "boy who cried wolf" situation - they can make as many promises as they want for the player character updates, horse bonding, horse racing abilities etc - I'll believe when I see it. Anyone remember player housing? Nail salons? That was promised back in 2016.
The core game loop has changed very little since the games conception. Nothing "new" particularly stands out to me in 10 years of playing this game when I think about it. Aside from shiny new areas or shiny new cosmetics. It's still the same old quest design. Not that the story means anything to me (and lots of other old players) anymore. They've taken so fucking long to tell the story I've forgotten all of it and they've never added any way to replay old quests so I can't refresh my memory. Not to mention all the retcons and rewrites. Retcons are fine, but when you're fundamentally changing the story, no. (The player going from a reincarnation of Aideen to ..... just an ordinary soul rider.)
I will give them that they've *tried* to improve the storytelling and writing. But they've got a long way to go before they hit the likes of Destiny 2, Warframe and Final Fantasy in terms of quality. Then again, those games have billions of dollars of backing behind them, so I'll cut them some slack. Could definitely take a page out of their book though.
Historically I always used to play this game around christmas as a comfort game. And for the past two years I haven't. Perhaps I'm just growing out the game, perhaps its a sign of something else.
Rdr2 might have had more of a budget when it came out but SSO with the amount of horses they've done and not many double star coins the past 2 years, they have the budget. Rdr2 was made for Xbox and playstation. Which makes it harder for them to make as good as a game that they did, yet they brought online to computer years later. No matter what people say, I'm comparing them. Rdr2 is better with story, animations and diversity yet star stable is so much older ?? They need to step up.
you’re speaking the truth. as another player from 2012, i don’t even know what the main story is anymore, i started it when i was 9 and i’m in my 20s now, i have absolutely no clue what we’re doing and i’m only playing because i can’t ride horses in real life
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it's been years and years but the story has *barely* gone anywhere. Basically nothing of significant impact has happened. They're just treading water and avoiding progressing the story in any way. Well, I think we're finally getting somewhere with the recent quests but they're so few and far between I guess we'll see the end of this arc when I'm 30.
They've taken so fucking long to tell the story (and, not actually tell the story in the process) that entire other mmos have been and gone, so to speak. The destiny franchise started in 2014 and is now two yearly expansions away from finishing its main story arc (then onto whatever they'll do next). Star stable hasn't even hit their first story climax yet, defeating garnok. We don't even know who/what garnok is.
@@PootisDaLoopis For going back and seeing the beginning of the story, a friend and I created an account for just that. She's on her final semester of college, and I've got a two yr old (so it's a little slow at the moment) but we have a fresh account we've been recording with. It's up under Ivanna Giantbook (I should not have been left unsupervised when picking names... 😂) on YT. We're starting with the original Starshine Legacy games and working our way forward. :)
We used to be a reincarnation of aideen?? Why did they change that, it would've been so cool (it was probably before i started playing as i started in like 2016)
Some of the issues with Star Stables reminds me of the issues with The Sims. The Sims doesn't have many competitiors, so they can do as they please since people don't have many places to go (Paralives don't let me down). Competition is good and healthy, it pushes for inovation and creative solutions. What will make you stand out among your comeptitors? Why are you the best choice?
Let's hope they'll be forced to make a change, but that's unlikely to happen unless they are earning less and less. Money sure is a motivator.
Also, I really love your content!
off topic but a sso player who plays sims? same!
I still chuckle when I remember Paralives showing windows moving freely on walls and INSTANTLY Sims released an update to add it themselves haha I look forward to seeing how LBY and Paralives can push Sims to become something greater
One competitor for SSO in my opinion is Alicia Online, a lot of ex SSO players have moved to AO and they’re loving it and you don’t have to spend any money and the staff spoil us 🥰
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@@dovington does it cost money?
The thing that always concerns me is equipment. Back in a day they could make new saddle for evey horse exept 1st generation, right now we're getting new equipment with every new horse and this stuff is only for this horse. Not everybody can buy new horses and tack for every single one of them. I really like my old horses and it's really sad that I can't wear whatever I want on them because it's only for new ones. They're promising about updating that, but when they finally did it was for only like 3 (pretty new) horses. Damn Star Stable, no wonder I stopped caring about this game.
Back in my days tack was for ALL horses: at first - for 1 gen (starter, irish cob, or fjord, or andalusian), then - for the newest quarter horse and morgans, icelandics, shires. Whether it's a western bridle or a small round saddlepad from Harvest Counties. Earlier I bought a lot of tack for different styles and all my horses could wear it. Now I don't, simply because none of my horses can wear it AT ALL. Wonderful. Yes, I love my horses, they are like children for me, so many years have passed with them, and I would like them to stop being garbage for the SSO team. First, they release a horse, which the team call "your new best friend, lovely part of a star family, a soul steed", and then, after a couple of years, they say: "Sorry, but your paint horse will remain forever broken because we do not serve it anymore and not going to fix it. Never." Sounds like "now your horse can die, let it go, erase your memories, sell it, and buy beautiful brand-new paso fino right now for 950 sc!" Really? Wow. It looks like it's time to also stop serving me, as a player, if I'm old and crusty too. It's so funny: I could (!) donate money, but the company itself prevents me from doing this, as if me and my horses completely don't exist in latest updates and can't experience new content. :D
This is exactly what annoys me too. I'm a very casual player and I don't care much about the new horses, I still love all of my old ones and mainly wanna use them to just ride around a bit. And even if I buy a new horse I can't put the new tack on them even if they came out like half a year ago. It also really sucks when they release new boots and blankets, but I can only put the boots on my older horses and if I want the matching blanked well sucks to be me I guess. This is honestly the main reason why I stopped playing completely.
aye that is also another pain , as i just want to buy a tack set and put it on my horse whatever breed it may be , but the cynic in me says its all about the money as the new tack sets cost a lot more than older ones so its yet another money making tactic
@@sareny8728 same!
The bugs really have been so annoying lately. As someone who isn’t as active as they used to be, it seems like every time I log on there’s a new bug that keeps me from completing a quest or playing the game. For example, there was a bug for the saving anne quest (im very behind in my quests 💀) where when you go through the portal the soul riders completely disappear and there’s no way for you to complete the quest. I reported this issue 2 times to customer support but it still took 3 weeks to fix the MAIN quest 😭 meanwhile they kept updating the game in those three weeks.
Oh damn yes! It's been a little crazy of late! I heard there's a bug with the 'stay over a night' feature. You don't stay over, and the game just swallows up your SCs. And SSO is not giving them refunds :\
@@YTRattle Yeah it’s really unfortunate, whether you saved up the star coins or bought them with real money, it’s such a waste of your money and time :(
And the new update with Anne quest that came out yesterday is bugging : If we did the quest on Wednesday, today we should have the second part of the quest but it doesn't work, we have to pay to sleep (75 Star Coins) and then we can have the second part of the quest
That was so anoing I wad lucky to discover it later so it was fixed only few days later I reported it
Same with the stone cutters vault quest. Linda just disappears and you can't progress. Though many people reported the bug they still havn't fixed it for MONTHS.
I first joined SSO right as the lockdown started in March 2020. I am sure a lot of other people can relate; we were all stuck at home, and sso was really amping up its advertisements at the time. The game was so fun; new quests, new characters, etc. But what do you do after you finish all the quests? Wait for a month for sso to release a new quest that takes 2 minutes? Wait for the Halloween and Christmas updates where the quests and events are on repeat? And there are long stretches where there is nothing to do. I remember last year, the updates were so bad that it got to the point where they released a singular race one week and that was it. It gave 150xp or something like that. SSO needs to step up its game. The community wouldn't mind biweekly updates if it meant more problems were getting fixed and the updates were more meaningful. Currently, it's basically "horse, race, new tack, side quests, a magical horse, new race" rinse and repeat. And SSO has so many areas with such potential for epic storylines. What happened to the people who lived behind the giant ice fortress in Icengate in Dino Valley? That has so much potential. And what about scarecrow hill in golden hills valley? Give us a storyline about how the scarecrows become animated every Halloween. Give us more stuff with Redwood point and the jorvik wild horse tribes; they got captured, GED found them, the stories are endless.
SSO literally hires people to make quests, and they give us useless stuff like delivering mail or starting a newspaper business when there are so many things I would rather be doing.
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You're so right. As an older player I can also say how much and significantly the main story (and others) decreased in quality. It went from a teen game, having that 2000s cartoon vibes, to a simple child game
Thank you Rattle for the opportunity to partake in this conversation!
I actually wanted to open a discussion for some points that were brought up in this video.
Would the community get angry if there were less horse releases? This is an interesting question because the answer is yes, however people are going to get annoyed regardless of what the update is, or what it isn't. Everyone plays the game for different reasons, and people like different things about the game. If you change the update formula, someone is always going to get upset or annoyed. Would less horses mean better horse releases? Better updates? Who knows honestly.
Triple A prices for an average game? I agree with this to an extent, especially when you directly compare the fact you can buy RDR2, Days Gone, TLOU etc for around the same price. However we don't have a finished game here. In a way we are paying to fund the game's continued development and expansion. These games are not being updated because they are already developed and released, whereas SSO has a full time team requiring full time wages. Do I think the game is too expensive in the long term? Perhaps, but by giving our money to the game we are supporting the continued development of the game title. Now is the development sub-par in its execution, content and polish? Perhaps.
Where is my money going? I totally see the point that was made here and I used to think exactly the same way. How come they get an office full of cool décor and goodies, when the game is still lacking in so many areas? But one thing to consider is that it's generally important to have a polished feel for your branding, to be able to make content in their office that doesn't look like a drab 9-5 cubicle. And as creators its really important to be able to take inspiration from our surroundings and feel immersed in the world we create. The same goes for SSO employees, its really positive to see them be able to have access to a physical environment that helps their creative process.
But that's just my 2 cents, feel free to disagree :D
Hey Abigail! Thank you for being a part of this! ♥ :D And thank you for sharing your ideas on these points! I'm going to try and maybe incorporate this into the second video, as getting these different perspectives was the initial idea. ♥
Thank you for bringing up these points! Sometimes I get too passionate, haha. You've definitely made me sit and think about my perspective! Thank you, Abigail!
i definitely agree with your perspective here, and see where you are coming from!
personally, the horse release rate i dont mind much. i do think that now that we have a consistent cycle of receiving horses, its literally impossible to keep up with given the prices/weekly SC allowance. but we always know the horse will be there to stay, or will be back in the future so you certainly can plan out purchases, and im sure majority of invested players spend money on SSO at least once a year so with our allowance (although mostly gone to stable care) we can buy some our favorite horses in the year out of the many released. i've learned to some-what appreciate the quick rate of horses by only buying the ones i truly like, and i know its weird if you're an older player to get out of that collector mentality (because its all we used to have for the longest time and honestly really is still mostly what we have in the end game) but with the horse drop rate you really have to stop that mentality or you're talking about serious money being spent on horse pixels.. because the prices are some of the most expensive in the entire gaming market (including the triple A bracket).
to me star coins are extremely overpriced given what we see developed within the actual game. however, i do think its fair to ask for re-occurring investments as any game with ongoing development does, i just wish SSO would update their purchase/funding methods and pricing to be more standard to other company's making similar profit (which is a lot of profit). SSO needs to balance their prices to what they are really offering within the game - the game that fuels all of the marketing campaigns and investment moves the company is making right now to dominate the market. they can and should dominate, but i wish they would invest some of that success back into learning what their community wants so they can provide it for us as they have every opportunity and ability to. personally, because they don't do that is why i've been upset with SSO for years now and lost hope a while ago (i still play and spend the occasional coin for horses but i'm not nearly as invested as i would be for a game i felt was worth the money im paying).
although i dont think SSO ever will, lowering their prices would be good for their company imo. my personal self control for buying game things goes out the window as soon as it becomes reasonable because its "cheap" or not something i have to genuinely think about purchasing. for example, i bought star coins several times a year before the price increase - but since the price increase i have only bought star coins once out of many opportunities, and only because it was double and i had a gift card at my expense. if SSO would have chosen to decrease prices by the amount they raised them, i probably would have ended up buying star coins even more often because to me im getting more out of my money than i ever have before. i genuinely think thats the move they should have made as it not only makes more sense with what they provide us and the state of the game, but also i think it would have enticed more sales as people are more willing to spend money on something if its reasonable which leads to more sales (fortnite is a great example of an ongoing developing game that asks for re-occurring purchases if you want to be "hip" and have the new shiny things, but the game provides quality consistent new content with cheap prices and its making SO much money doing so).
i think SSO is doing a lot right! their office space for example, i totally agree with you there. it would be wonderful and inspiring to work in a place like that, and although i have my opinions on how they could dedicate their time within that office space i do think its important to have a comforting workspace and dont mind my money spent on the game going to the comfort of the employees that make the game happen. but they also have a wonderful office space, and don't really seem to fully appreciate the community that funded it and continues to fund it despite a lot of the undeniable flaws within the game and company output itself. i really don't think it would be that hard to listen to the community and improve the game to our wishes, because in the end it just leads to a better game and more players content which leads to more players who stay playing and paying.
to conclude i really don't mind all the flashy and extra stuff SSO does and i don't mind the constant flow of new horses, but its come to a point where its no longer worth what they are asking to fund it all because nothing we want changed (hollow woods? bugs? unfinished horses? repetitive quick content? community involvement?) is really changing and the community continues to feel ignored and force fed horses and cheap content like races. i dont have hope really, but i am curious to see in the upcoming months/years how the game will improve for the better with some of long standing promises like the character update finally being fulfilled. but the game has a very long road until it's worth what we have all paid and continue to pay for it, i don't just want looks and cosmetics i want to enjoy my experience and feel excited again to get updates and new horses ♡
We totally agree with you Abigail! 🙏
You can buy RDO on sale sometimes for $5 or you can buy the online game for around $20. Xbox game pass is around $14 a month if you do monthly, but the cost of SSO is way too high for the little content they have. I have nothing else to do in game except train the millions of horses I have. It’s exhausting and feels like a chore, but I’m a completion layer with OCD. So, it bothers me to not have all horses at 15.
Not to mention some of the rep quests glitched and you can’t become admired with Ricky winterwell or Jamie Olivetree.
It's honestly so true. I remember when the Lusitanos came out, and it's still my favorite horse in the game to this day, and I was saving up for months to get one.
Now after I've gotten maybe 15 horses in my stable without spending a dime since I got Star Rider, I find myself burned out too. There is no new story quests, the pets have no use other than accessories, and the horses... Don't shoot me in the comments below.
But the horses are cars. I legit thought the April Fool's prank where horses turned into cars was them giving us foreshadowing of what it'd become. Buy a new car every month, drive an old one whenever you feel like it. The horse doesn't feel alive as it once did. Just can't wait to try out Star Equestrian and Astride and hope they do better after seeing all their predecessor's past mistakes.
FR!!! I was looking for this comment! The horses don't feel alive. They feel like accessories. I get the game has to consider younger and casual players and it would be really out of left field for them to suddenly introduce realistic horse mechanics like them refusing jumps and getting spooked, but at least make it so the horses react to their environment that doesn't impact the player negatively. Stuff like them reacting to weather, like if they added rain or snow or wind. See, idk, there's nothing SSO could really do with the horses that won't immediately make the newer players angry because "OMG my horse is NOT supposed to act like a real horse!! It is supposed to carry me everywhere and be perfect no matter what because it has to."
Oh wait, something that would be immediately better would be if horses could interact with each other, npcs and player horses! Something as little as special animations that played when you got close to npcs or players. Something like them grooming each other, ears pricking up, them raising their heads or lifting a hoof to react, it would already make such a huge difference.
Yesss! Back then (when horses had the smiles showing their health or made noises for example when they were going to slow down) they felt so real and lively!!! I actually cared for my silly starter horse and wanted to have that bond.
it is insane to me though about how not only do the books not match the type of game they are attached to in terms of play style, but star stable clearly to not care about their own canon because the timeline of events in the books have some glaringly obvious mismatches with in game canon going forward, and they've barely just been released to certain audiences in various countries. so how are we meant to get invested in a story that they disregard?
Not to mention, I think sso DID say couple years ago that the game does not go with the books. So yeah... I really hate that they took an already existing magical horse game and changed it into just a regular horse game... even deleting quests like for example Lisa fighting the dark riders. They kinda just took the whole soul riders thing out and promises it's still there so they can keep players investing (ones that are there for the main story)
@@femmeboah7414 but in the recent main quests we did more Soul Rider work than we probably ever did in the quests, in a magical sense?
I showed people videos where many people, including you, pointed out the issues with sso, and these people still disagreed and remain in denial, claiming sso is better now than it was before. And they are also happy about the fortnite graphics, and about the challenge being gone, about the fun being gone. It's all horses, always "but they're improving the game, stop being so negative"
It's sad that people can't see the forest for the trees. No one wants to hate the game, we want to see it get better and watching it go downhill is painful. I hope they turn it around, though!
@@YTRattle yeah, even I told them many times that I just want the game to change for the better and they keep ignoring it, always saying change is going to happen as if I didn't know that already...? I don't care about the graphics, I'm all for them improving their style... but there is no art style anymore. It's just fortnite x genshin x horses, the atmosphere is gone, the challenge is what made this game actually fun isn't it? We grew up, but sso aged backwards. Instead of sso growing up with us, it's leaving us behind. This game was around for 13 years now (2010 testing does indeed count), and it deserves to finally lay down and rest. The engine is dying, the team doesn't have any creative rights to give us actually fun things.
But... that's just an opinion? Why do they need to dislike every change? I'm a 2013 player. SSO has issues, absolutely. But TO ME frequent horse releases aren't an issue. I'm looking forward to them.
In general, I'd also say that SSO is better now than in 2013. Better graphics, better (not perfect) characters and more improvementd on them to come, better horses, quality of life updates which are just convenient, main characters updated in the quests and holidays which are more inclusive.
I can ackknowledge problems and still like new aspects. I don't mind waiting for quests. I have done so for 10 years. It wasn't different in 2013, 2014, 2015 and so on. They started to put more efforts in quest by adding cut scenes, animations or mini games. I'm okay with waiting.
@@RimFaxxe Wow, saying the game needs to be shut down, because you don't enjoy it anymore is a hard one, for real
@@simplynepp the engine is already dying, it can't be just magically fixed without shutting it down and remaking it from the ground up in another engine. You buzz off, since you're one of the pesky new players who are in constant denial
What I want, personally, is the old Star Stable back. The darker mystery fantasy game with a deep lore and plot. The game could even feel disturbing or creepy at times, but in a good way that added this intrigue to it.
They completely changed the vibe and just made it into a trendy game instead of the story it was once. I really just want to play the old Star Stable.
Truth 👏 they've hurt not only the storyline but also the main characters, wtf are the new dark riders? Why is Lisa a country girl? Not only the designs have changed, they took away their personalities
The old games abandoned, you can download them for free.
The video turned out great, thank you for including me in the project! Very excited for part 2 🙊🙊
Why are you guy so awesome? Thanks Eleanor! ♥
Thank you for allowing me to be apart of this, Rattle! The video turned out amazing! Thank you for all you do for this community, can't wait for part two!
Ahhh! It was my pleasure, and thank YOU, Amelia, for being willing to share your insights! ♥ You all had such wonderful points! Next video will up next week... I hope XD LOL
AMELIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and darn, i wish i knew where my mom's money went to, most likely into only their fun life and like... wHy are they so goddamn lazy with making the game good. new average horse price should be 500-700sc, no more unless its godsent. yw
I appreciate this video. I began playing SSO in 2013 as a 7 year old child. I was living in constant fear and was being sexually abused at home, and while I haven’t played in years, the game will always mean something to me because of how much it distracted me from my life. To watch it slowly turn into whatever it is now is so, so incredibly disappointing. I’m 16 now and have always wanted to play it again- I wanted to save up enough money for a computer and download the game, get star rider, everything. But the prices? The graphics? It’s not even worth it anymore. To me it feels like there is no love being put into the game. It makes me so sad that the game genuinely just isn’t enjoyable to so many anymore. Your analysis was great. Have a wonderful day/night. 💚
One part that wasnt brought up with the horses (maybe it will be later idk im not that far into the video yet):
Time-limited horses!
When the two tree lusitanos & texas bluebell came out together sso clearly stated all 3 would leave the game forever afterwards.
I bought the texas bluebell bc i could only buy one but wanted all 3.
And then they brought it back, I made a at the time difficult choice between 3 "will be gone forever" horses and they brought back the ONE I CHOSE! Yet they refuse to bring back the tree lusitanos or any of the old models.
In terms of game prices, I'd love to see people draw more comparisons to other MMOs in the gaming space as opposed to stand alone triple A title!
We always see arguements in comparison to things like Red Dead, TLoU, Hogwarts Legacy, God Of War, the list goes on.
But a fairer comparison would be games like Guild Wars 2, World Of Warcraft, The Elder Scrolls Online, Fallout 76 and really any other games in the MMO space. It would feel like a lot fairer of a comparison and give more context on prices between SSO and other games lile it to see truly just how fair or unfair these prices are!
Eso gives you about 1650 crowns a month for 15$ on top of a lot of other benefits, Enough to get a dungeon DLC or save for two months to almost buy a whole map dlc. They have a lot of sales and bundles so it’s easier than ever to buy the game cheaply. Another thing ESO has is players able to trade in game currency for crowns from other players. ATM the current conversion rate on PS/4/5 is 100 gold per 1 crown. So technically you can buy the whole game for free with in game gold
@@Zanollias I've noticed a handful of MMOs allow in game currency -> paid currency conversion
I know Guild Wars 2 does the same with the gold -> gems and vice versa conversions (though I don't think the expansions like heart of thorns & path of fire/full game can be bought by converting in game currency into gems but things like the Living World can be
Really does go to show how outrageous SSO can be from even an MMO standard, I'm wondering what World Of Warcrafts prices are like because I know you have to buy the game then buy the subscriptions on top of it (I haven't even attempted to check for microtransaction I didn't play WoW for very long...)
I play PAT.. a mobile and PC game and paid once to play all the Dino’s.
I didn’t have to spend an arm and leg to do a walk simulation as a Stegosaur. But there are cosmetics you can pay for like different skins to look beautiful. Or go to a server to just be a rainbow Stego for free.
Honestly wish someone crazy would make a free domain of SSO horse assets. It would probably break them though.
You can even compare SSO econ to Red Dead even if it's a more common comparison. With RDO, there is literally nothing you really HAVE to purchase. You can make both RDO$ and gold in game. You can buy gold via Rockstar's social club, sure - 55 gold for 20$. With that, if you exclude ranks, you will probably never have to buy gold again for (in my experience) at least a few months.
The economy of RDO is set in a way that makes it extremely grindy, likely as motivation to purchase gold online, but I've been playing since launch and I've never bought gold. The grind is gratifying because bounty hunter jobs are actually fun. Free roam missions are like white noise; they're not boring, but you can do them to fill time. Etc, etc. Rockstar most definitely made the game so grindy to promote external purchases, but you don't need to. There is no benefit to buying gold.
When you first join RDO, after you complete the main set of story missions, you should have almost enough gold to buy your first rank. You can do other missions to get the rest of the gold. But once you get enough for that first rank, you unlock bounty hunter, and that becomes your source of gold. It's simple and doesn't eat at your wallet because you don't have to buy shit all the time.
RDO is definitely time consuming (for example, a round of the Collector, depending on what items I pick to collect, can take anywhere from 4-8+ hours) but I enjoy the fact that it's time consuming because I play so that I can forget everything except 'I have no problems, I am a cowboy.' The visuals are stunning, the content is somewhat dead but still enjoyable, posse vs. posse, trying to evade exploiters, shootouts... stuff like that. It's fun. You can DO stuff. SSO is just a pile of burning crap trying to eat its own leg. There is absolutely nothing you can do in that game that is gratifying. The last time I felt excitement in SSO is when I unlocked Dino valley on those ugly fucking North Swedish first gen models. Never after that. SSO is the craziest and most obvious money-eating portal of an 'MMO game' I have ever seen in my entire life. RDR2 has a beautiful story. RDO is pretty much neglected by Rockstar and dead. But it's still enjoyable. The shooting is great. I've played a LOT of MMO's - League, WOW, EVE, LOTRO, BDO, FF XIV - not like SSO. This game has no content whatsoever. Fucking Tetris has more story than SSO.
@@treehugger728 I feel like you might've missed the main point of my statement in regards to comparisons, which is fine but I'll elaborate a little bit more.
I do get Red Dead Online eco, I played it almost daily for 2 years starting from from day 1 of Beta, it's was a mess.
But something to note about Red Dead Online is that it was an addition to the main game as opposed to a stand alone Online MMO experience. Regardless of if you like/don't like or find it unfair, you pay a similar price to star stables lifetime star rider for the Red Dead, but you don't just get the Online, you /also/ get the entirety of the story mode for Red Dead Redemption 2 in return alongside Red Dead Online (I am aware you can buy just RDO by itself now, but it is significantly cheaper). The story is the main selling point where Red Dead Online feels like a tack on for the company to make additional money.
I know well how the Online for the game works, but it wasn't really my point in relation to the comparisons.
Star Stable Online is first and foremost a strictly MMO experience, which falls along the lines of Guild Wars 2, World of War craft, etc.
Thus things like microtransations, additional purchases, purchasing the full game or "subscriptions", etc.
For instance star stable is a free to play game with memberships tacked onto it then additional micro transactions.
Then there's games like WOW, where it's free to play, but you also have to buy the full game then subscriptions on top of it with no option for any sort of "Pay once" lifetime membership or anything along those lines.
Is there a comparison to be made between star stable and games lile Red Dead Online (or really any other game with microtransation models)? Of course, I never said that there wasn't!
My point is that we've rehashed those comparisons so many times and I'm more interested in seeing comparisons between games also in the MMO space than not as it's an overall less common comparison those talking about the issues with Star Stables prices or in game economy make.
I hope that makes more sense, have a lovely day! ❤
Different artists shouldn't be a problem imo. Many large animation corporations expect artists to be able to adjust their styles so that the art/animation is uniform and similar to one another. It's usually a requirement in many of these companies to be able to adjust your style or you won't be hired. Can you imagine if animated films allowed their artists to use whatever style for every frame? Unless done on purpose, it would be very distracting
I've heard (and agree with) a lot of players saying they'd much prefer new quests than new horses. There are so many horses, which is cool, but they don't really make the game, they're just part of it. What makes the game are quests, and their just aren't enough.
Will we see more content on the chat system problems in the game? It's horrible! I would love to find out what is going on with the team, and why the safety of their players is not the highest priority.
I do hope so! ♥ It's a mess at this point!
@@YTRattle Would it be okay for me to reach out to you with some experience, we have had in the game recently?
@@wfnwfowfnfwofno Hey! Yeah sure! You can contact me on Discord: Rattle#9247 ♥
FOR REAL! At one point in the past i was playing hide and seek w/ a friend and was counting down.. Guess what? I got chat banned for A WEEK?! A WEEK FOR PLAYING HIDE AND SEEK
@@najiahorack6505 That sucks, but it is lowkey relateable since the filter probably thought you were sharing a phone number?
On the whole fomo thing. I never had star rider as a kid because my parents didn’t like buying a $70 game for me. So I went 8 years without star rider, so I missed out on the “shiny new horses” and the “shiny new areas” so much that now these things just don’t have any leverage over me. I don’t need the newest horse or the best tack or anything, i buy what I want to and that’s it. In a way I’m glad I went without for so long because it taught me that I don’t need to have the newest thing to enjoy the game. I’ve also never brought star coins and I don’t think I ever will because it just isn’t something that I see worth it, I don’t make enough money to justify spending that much money on star coins.
Finally someone else with the same experience! I'm only star rider now because my account was given to me by a friend who stopped playing. I remember being stuck with my starter horse for months in the beginning, and I hated it then but I'm grateful for that experience now.
I'm so looking forward for part 2!! When I saw this video in my feed I just had to sit down and watch it the whole way through, very detailed and amazing points made by these really lovely and talented content creators. ♡ this video gave me so much to think about, thank you so much for taking the time to make this!!! ♡
Thank you for making these deep dives. Im personally not affected by the "pressure to buy a new horse every month" simply because I do not like the gen 3, and a lot of the times gen2 models. Especially with gen3 horses a lot fo the time I cannot tell the difference between them because lets be honest, the breeds do look very similiar most of the time. What I take issue with is star stable saying they will not do any updates on older gen1 models which is fair, yet those old horses get broken by newer updates. For example the gen1 fjord horses tail gets kind of pushed out of its place when turning while standing still, an issue that certainly was not there a year ago. All I want from this game is to leave the horses as they are once I buy them (if there is no big bugs). Changing whole gaits or animations is frustrating because I want to have exactly what I paid for. One big hit for me was when they decided to completely withdraw the original starter horse model and remove it from all the breeds and coats that people had already bought and replace it with a new model that still, after all these years, feels half baked and like a quick solution. The costant erasure of the games qualities and mechanics is what gets to me too. The location tags, cold tolerance, horse sounds, the horse smiley system, no longer having to push W for the horse not to stop, making ferries obsolete by connecting all the trailer routes, making the night less dark is just a few of the engaging things that have been removed. Its just sad. There is no challenge in this game anymore and it becomes an issue when the main event of the month is esentially new cosmetics that change absolutely nothing about the game. The little there was is getting removed.
Not even the interface style is consistent, newer additions such as the horse moodbar or the horse caring wheel do not fit in and look very "basic" with little to no thought put into icons, colors and designs, making them look like concepts rather than finished pieces that are ready to be implemented into the game. Seriously.
I agree, especially with the last part: if we are unhappy, we have power! We can do something about it! If we stop buying everything we see, we might get big and nice changes!! I bought lifetime and stopped spending money since 2019, I think that if more people do the same, Star Stable will change, I really hope so...
Many old games thrive to this day, but sso has been damaged beyond repair I fear. It's time we let it go and move on. It's gonna be hard, given there is no other game like sso, at least not yet, but this game deserves to finally rest. Star stable has been a part of our lives for a long time now, for a lot of us since 2010 even, and it's been 12 years since the game released but 13 if you count the test phases. It's a game that's become too overwhelmed with cosmetics, instead of good quality updates. I say it's time we let this game go, it's all we can do sadly.
what i find crazy is that the morgans came out a month ago and there's already been magic horses, spoilers of lipizzaners, spoilers of pintabians, spoilers of new morgans, and spoilers of more magic horses. it's insane.
And they couldn’t even follow the “high white rule” for Morgan’s. No purebred Morgan is painted. They botched the coats so bad. Should’ve stuck to the originals.
I would love to see a video with everyone discussing what video game mechanics work well in horse themed video games. Give tips and ideas to game developers so they know what things the horse gaming community likes.
Keep an eye out! I'm kinda, sorta working on something in the same vein! :D
I honestly feel like if game developers genuinely care about playing games, and making good games, they should be able to come up with their own ideas for game mechanics. I studied game design at university and unique, interesting mechanics are *the thing that makes your game worth making* according to the majority of players. I would add story as being potentially even higher than mechanics for me personally, but most gamers prioritise mechanics. Otherwise you could read a book or watch a movie instead. Mechanics are what make games worth playing. If the SSO dev team have no ideas of their own that they are passionate about implementing, they really shouldn't be in game design.
I think one of the changes that’ll be not only the best choice-the life saving choices are only release a new breed every few months and save the magic horses ONLY for holiday uses. Using that amount of time will surly allow the creators make the model and animations look so much better, even better-perhaps all them to have breaks inbetween and continue with the star rider quests and fix the already existing breeds that have absolute awful animations. I know this won’t likely happen, unfortunately. But hopefully if it does, it’s not too late.
We had it that way back when I began playing (2018). There was so much more hype and more ppl were actively playing and talking bout the horses. More people felt like they *had* to buy the horse because otherwise they might need to wait a year. It was better back then.
They need to make things harder. Games become boring when they’re too easy/or everything is available. (Such as transport, locations, horses). Horse reputation quests to unlock breeds would be fun like the OG Fjord. The problem is basically everything is available to you after a few hours of playing
I have never even heard of this game before, but as a former Team Fortress 2 player (a game which is also facing a massive cheating problem atm) I have to say that I have never been happier to be able to spam the report button. oh my god my blood is boiling for you guys
Also, congrats! The youtube algorithm is recommending your video to tf2 fans now. Stay strong you magnificent horse enthusiasts, here's to hoping the devs do something about our shared problem!
Also the hats (horses). Too many fucking hats (horses).
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I think you'll enjoy the opening XD ♥
I remember being a sso kid before they changed horse releasing system feeling guilty asking my mom for money to buy new horse almost every 3 months. I cant imagine doing same thing now for every horse that comes out, especially since I cant even decide which horse should I buy nowadays
love you're sso content Rattle. Watch them all the time.
Ahhh! Thank you Boom Box! ♥♥
Something I’ve always thought about is that, let’s say you got unlimited star coins, you would buy everything but then what? The game would be boring without an in game currency because there really is no actual content. That’s when you know there’s an issue.
we ask for these updates but when we get them we cry and say "nooo the nostalgiaaaa"
I am always pretty annoyed of sc prices but I am even more outraged of the js prices and ESPECIALLY the 10000JS border! I pay everything that is buyable with js with them! And it’s soooo annoying that you can’t collect more and you basically can buy ONE item with the maximum amount of js
Lol, i remember when Stacy used to be just an "innocent" little player at SSO HQ, the irony.
One thing I wanted to talk about is how much of a disappointment the magical horses have become. I remember playing sso since like 2013 or 2014?? And when they added the magical horses they were presented as a "limited time only thing", the first horses being the almost pony sized horses in a nice blue, pandoria purple, and black and red. However, when sso released them they planned it to be a see once and never again type of situation, now they're bringing the same horses back practically every couple weeks. Not only that but I'm pretty sure they were also the most expensive horses at the time since they were supposed to be so rare. When the horses were first released it would be like once every year or half a year, and as a kid I felt like I had to get that horse because I was feared that I wouldn't be able to see it again. Imagine my disappointment as a kid when I saw the same horse brought back when they were not supposed to be.
had the exact same reaction back then, I figured it'd be a "buy them now or never"
few years later and I groan every time there's a new "SUPER EXCLUSIVE RARE MAGIC HORSE BUY NOW!!!" title on the news as if they aren't released what feels like every other update
I got really mad at sso today because the new quest they released had a clock thingy (where you need to wait a day) - this is all well and good, and even though I dont like it, its not the reason Im mad - it simply didnt work. The clock was still there even the next day. I finished the first part yesterday and got the clock yesterday aswell. Today I went on the game, and it remains. Its annoying because I was actually exited about being able to finally do another quest after so long - but the first part of the quest (befor the clock) itself was bugged anyways. Anne didnt follow you well like she was supposed to, I just ran along the pattern while she stood still on the first one, but on the second one I had to wait for her to actually start moving befor I could move to not fail - I had to go out of my way to prevent a bug from happening so I didnt fail the quest! Its just sad. A simple testing of the super short quest could at least prevent that part. Im really mad at sso about this.
edit: is your name meant to be visible? cause I can see it... YOU FORGOT TO COVER IT
I've heard of this! Some people have actually paid to 'stay over night' and then lost SC as a result, and SSO is not issuing refunds. The amount of bugs in this game is crazy.
As a player who is clubless and has no friends in SSO, all I do is level my horses while listening to music. Though it can be quite chill and cozy, I just wish they'd release more quests. If they do release one, it's not longer than 20 minutes and you just have to ride around a bit. I stopped paying for this game for years now and only buy Gen 1 or Gen 2 horses with the few free star coins you get, since they are so cheap (and way better than the new ones, but that's just my personal opinion).
About the pricing and the fact that most Players are, probably, kids, who don't know the value of money yet. I was wondering if content creators like you and the others in this video could somehow reach out to parents about the problem with spending too much money on SSO and inform them about this topic. Would something like this be possible? It's just a idea. I don't know if content creators can actually do that.
Hope everyone has a nice day! :)
“Star Stable: Parents Guide” from Rattle would be epic.
Your continuous use of big eye balls on your thumbnails pleases me greatly.
Honestly, it’s an amazing video. I loved it, and felt especially close to the role play point of view.
My first rp horse was a Connemara. I had to change my plans because the game moved too fast. And now, I stopped. I can’t change the storyline every week. Because it’s like a vlogging channel, so it has to feel real, with real time. And people don’t buy and sell horses every week.
And I do agree with the money thing. I stopped buying star coins because I can’t afford it anymore : I have to work for my expenses, and France is getting more and more expensive. There are months where I can barely afford my food, so I really can’t buy more star coins.
And other games feel better to spend money. Hell, even Genshin Impact feels more fulfilling than SSO : I do collect characters, but each have a function, and they make me think, improvise teams, they make me fall in love with their story… it’s still expensive, but it feels more personal, engaging.
In SSO, you have to do everything by yourself to avoid getting bored. So… nope. I won’t spend money in it. Especially when I don’t know how they use the money.
Uuuuuh this is gonna be good. Your SSO videos are always so entertaining. I like SSO, but I feel like the game could be so much more... We could have so many nice things, but all I get when I log in is daily tasks and races....
I've played RDR2 for over what? 2 years now? I finished the story ages ago, but I've spent hundreds of hours just wandering around, exploring the world. And yes: The map is a lot bigger, but the difference is: It's alive. I see deer running around, wild horses grazing in the distance and have NPCs who don't just stand there like paper-cut-outs. I don't expect SSO to have the same quality, but it feels like they don't even try.
I don't want new horses anymore... They are overpriviliged cars with no soul. Give me anything! Give them a little bit of personality. It' doesn't matter what their description says about them. It's whats shown in the actual game that matters. They are robots with a random idle animation. Maybe let us teach them small dressage tricks. Some of them already do, why not give them to all. (AND FFS PLEASE LET EVERY HORSE HAVE A BUCKING ANIMATION)
Oh right, it's money -.-
Thank you Fluffle! ♥ Hope the video lives up to your expectactions! There are a lot of voices in there, so enjoy! As for the game, oh yes, it has a lot of potential, and deserves a lot more than the company is giving it!
@@YTRattle Thank you! I do so far and I have to agree with everything said.
I’d also like to add to the factor of weekly updates.
I feel like with this company mindset they have it hurts the workers that work on the game in a way. Like imagine how stressful it can be to get everything done for the update that is coming out Wednesday. Probably why the updates are so lackluster because some of the other portions of future updates are taking up way to much time to finish the weekly updates with a lot of content. I would support 100% if they moved updates to once a month just to give the people that work on the game time to work on much bigger updates that could feed the play base what they want/need.
As someone who is part of a group working on games giving the workers time to be able to do things for the game is a lot more important that pumping it out as quick as possible (both for workers and consumers). It can get frustrating perhaps and I definitely don’t support the continuation of pushing back updates/games and taking forever like cyberpunk 2077 because that was disappointing but that means setting a goal that’s achievable is that much more important. They have a decently large team but I feel like (from an outsider pov) their management don’t give their workers enough time and I think that’s generally where that issue comes from. This and the workers that enable it.
A bug that really makes me not wanna play anymore when it happens is a bug regarding
the pinboard? at Starshine Ranch where you can pick up to four races at a time. Well... if you were to
pick those options too fast the last race you select will not be selected. As for some reason you can't
pick it anymore. Sometimes it happens randomly as well, even if I try to select the races slow. It's only fixable by logging off and on again, which
I just can't be bothered to do. It just ruins my mood to play the game.
I am so lucky to share all of these opinions mentioned. As an older player, seeing a game so beloved and cherished go even further from what you once knew is disheartening. The greed, lack of time, and effort in planning things correctly, just takes the soul away from the game. It's a cash grab now, and I surely hope with enough force from the community we will make SSO listen to our concerns and issues within the game. This was a well-thought-out video Rattle!
Great video! I just love all of your video essays, they're always very well thought-out
EEP! Thank you layla! ♥
I started playing SSO almost a year ago and hoped at the time I could create a lot of my content on the game. The more I played though, the more shocked I became at the lack of dev support for the player base and the obvious cash grab business model. SSO has so many fans that have been completely faithful to them for years despite the mistreatment. I’ve made friends now and still play to compete in dressage competitions but, simply put, the players deserve better.
Amazing video btw!
A lot to unpack here, let's be real. The new horses do look stunning. Compare them to generations 1 and 2, the 3rd ones look absolutly stunning. The animations are amazing, the coats are amazing, visually they are very pleasing. So we can definitly see improvment. But, just like in the video said, there are too many. I have 1 horse of every breed and back then I trained them all out. Now? I have 4-5 new breeds on lvl one, maybe get some motivation to play SSO, train 2 horses to 15, get burned out again. Next breed releases, buy one, train one, burn out. I haven't bought star coins over a year and I save up quite a lot of them, because I do not buy magical horses and since I am not playing as much, the coins just add up. But it still shows how this overflow of new breeds burned me out. I am not getting hyped, even tho I would love a breed.
Speaking of magical horses, I was a huge fan of them. Now? Not so much. We get too many and some are really similar to others, f.e. we have 2 cherrytree themed horses and 2 birch themed horses. And at the end, they are just recolours. So very easy for SSO to get more money with minimal efford.
This was so needed, and I love how you were so calm about it too.
well said!! thank you for these informative videos. They are always so well done and it’s so nice hearing the other youtubers perspectives and thoughts!❤
this is such a wonderful video and i agree with your overall take from talking to these creators to develop your opinion further. what strikes me the most, is that i believe you're entirely right about SSO just being a "face" in a way - they post and promote flashy and fancy stuff but their base product is starting to show its true colors as new horse games arise. abigail is entirely right in saying that we just need to stop buying star coins, we need to stop "feeding the monster" because the monster is making really good profits and $$ rules the world. unfortunately, we have no other "monsters" to feed right now since many promising monsters/games are still in development stages and i think thats why we're all stuck on star stable. i think most of us will always be stuck to star stable in some way (its like a genuine addiction i swear, and a lot of us have made good friends), but when astride (just for example) finally releases and is good (lets hope), given it has a multiplayer aspect we might finally find our new monster if the game can provide us with the experience i think we've all been craving for so long - that craving for a good horse game that we can enjoy with our friends and truly enjoy the game and its atmosphere/story/activities and not feel like we're just dumping money into flashy overpriced items and horses.
i think equestrians and anyone who's been around horses or even watched videos of being around horses can relate to wanting a game that brings us that giggly feeling of "ahh, horses ♡" even while performing simple tasks like cleaning stalls, or tacking up your horse. i have hope for games that will be released in the future, however my hope for SSO dwindled to nothing a while ago
Oh damn yes! Players are desperately looking for a horse game that will give us the experience of having a horse. No game can truly do this, but that's the reason horse games, no matter their caliber are popular. Players are desperate, SO desperate for a good horse game, and they'll play anything if it means they can have their dream horse.
Trust me, I've been there XD
Hopefully, in the near future a game will come out that will be able to dethrone SSO. Not to make them shut down, but to force them sort out their priorities and push the game into that potential it has! We can only hope!
Also, thanks for checking out the video April! ♥ :D
I remember when I was in 5th-6th grade, I would wake up a whole hour before getting ready to go to school just to train my horses and run through the wonderful world of Jorvik. Now, I haven’t logged on in months. I put so much time and money into this game just to see it go downhill, it really makes me sad.
This was a great video. I agree with so many things said in here.
I'm a teenager that started playing the game in late 2020, so I don't know how this all feels for older players who have been playing this game longer than me. I remember being blown away by SSO. I watched so, SO many videos on the lore (fun fact, Eleanor Nightwalker was the one that pushed me to drastically improve my English, as a non-native speaker), I watched horse buying videos... and then I got the game. I managed to play without paying for it for about... three months, then I bought the monthly subscription... and then the lifetime. I bought Star coins twice, both during the double offer. Basically, early 2021 was the time I actually spent money on SSO. I even bought the entire book series once I was sure I'd be able to understand it.
I was obsessed with this all, and I started defending every single fault and error present in the game, ignoring the things that weren't good and refusing to accept that this game is just... mediocre.
Eventually though, my perspective shifted. I don't remember what it was that made me change how I viewed SSO, but it's definitely connected to the horses. There were just... SO MANY of them. Too many. Horses, and filler updates. I stopped following the weekly updates on the website, because I just.. couldn't get invested in it. It truly dawned on me then just how much money I spent on this one horse game, when I could buy so many better games of different genres I prefer now, rather than keep giving money to a game that's extremely mediocre.
I stopped being invested in the story as well, overall I just kind of... stopped caring. I still play this game on occasions, I just noticed that the amount of horses I buy has drastically lowered, just because it's extremely hard to even care about those brand new breeds that get released all the time. And I do hope that it improves for the better... and most importantly, I hope that I'll be able to feel like I'm playing a game again, not feeding a money-consuming horse making machine.
There's also a personal element connected to why I don't like SSO as much as I did before: ever since acquiring Star Stable, I've started questioning my gender identity and started identifying as trans. I remember making a whole self insert story about my SSO character back in 2020... and then suddenly, I disassociated from the character I played as entirely. And I think that was the thing that really pushed me personally over the edge. I no longer even found this sense of comfort in the game, of getting to be a magical hero in a world filled with horses... because, and I might sound weird right now, but... it started feeling like this game doesn't want me here. It's marketed towards girls. And with all the things around the game pushing for this "horse girl" centered narrative, I often ask myself if this game even knows that it's not just girls that are playing.
I still kind of hope the character update changes some things about that, but... until then, I'll just log in every now and then to do a few races and wait for... something to happen.
wondering why you have no likes, no replies. I'm also a trans individual and it's crazy how much it truly is marketed to JUST young girls. and sso's official excuses for no male characters is absolute bs. if anything, it's more sexist to do this kind of crap, because horses have been this 'girly' thing, and even still are. ponies and pink and sparkly (basically what all sso is nowadays) are all things to be judged for if you AREN'T an 8 year old little girl. wouldn't it be called sexist if a company outright came out and said 'no we can't add female characters to our male game, because it's meant for males! we need empowerment for our boys! it's this [insert stereotypical male thing here] game and only boys should be playing this because this [typical male thing] IS only for boys!' like what???
why the double standard here with sso? having more gender-neutral options in general would be amazing, more masculine and male stuff? awesome. a male character? would be terrific and really gosh darn cool. but unfortunately, it's never gonna happen. the horse girl narrative IS sexist and outdated. horses are seen as something to look down upon or being 'cringe', and the way sso markets their stuff now? instead of how some things used to be? well it certainly can be viewed as cringe.
The problem of first gen 3 horses feel so out of place compared to newest gen 3 is SO REAL! I am so scared that one day we will get like, gen 4 of horses and we will have to repeat that buying horse breeds cycle all over again... Its so annoying, that sso is not trying to be consistent with graphic design and style, like most game do.
This!
I’m a player since 2012 and for example I have the Friesian in EVERY generation,
To be fair I don’t really play since 2016 so the gen 3 Friesian I did just bought cuz I had many star coins due to being lifetime and idk what to do with them since you can’t spend them on something original, but if I were a consistent player I would be so mad that the same horse exists in different versions and you have to buy them each time, other games when they update their animation,style, whatever update the old mount and you don’t have to buy a new one but that wouldn’t make as much money so sso ofc rather releases the same horse a thousand times as „updated“
Not to mention that the horses IMO don’t have any charm or character anymore and are just dull but that’s preference I guess
I seriously just love your channel and bringing a more educated and detailed perspective on these issues. I also really appreactice you letting us hear what others had to say, it was very interesting to listen to their opinions. As an older player, it is so sad to see this game go downhill like this. Its a miracle im even still playing lol. I doubt it will ever happen but I do hope SSO wakes up and starts doing things differently because this game still has a lot of potential.
So many good topics and discussions in this video! Thank you for creating this. There are many things that I've been thinking about myself for a long time, such as if less frequent updates would mean less bugs, or if Star Coins were more affordable, then I would actually buy them and I think many other people would too.
29:30 WAIT WAIT WAIT. So this entire time, since 2019, I wasn't getting star coins when I didn't log in AND THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING ANYWHERE? I rarely log in and recently I actually quit due to it being plain boring, and because of wanting to focus on my own projects and school, and them not handing out star coins for not logging in is the reason I to this day couldn't save up. They seriously did that? I'm not going crazy?
it is possible, a lot of players have been reporting missing SC. Just double check when you get a chance!
@@YTRattle I'm gonna log in tommorow and on saturday, would you like to be an eye witness on these days?
@@YTRattle my plan is to record my sc count tommorow, on saturday, then on sunday next week after NOT logging in on saturday
5:22 i never realized that but thats actually true. the time there the first friezes came out. I was so happy to buy one and was exicited to wait a few weeks for star coins. Same thing with the first time there we got Araber. Now its like "yeah pretty, i am going inactive for few weeks again probably and gonna buy them one day"
yeah this spoilers just feeling like "oh today came a little update BUT NEXT WEEK IS COMING SOMETHING BETTER" and then its the anne riding question that going to a end after 2 days. Like cool thank you.
Thankyou for considering all of these problems. You can tell that SSO is ashamed of stuff like this, You can tell that things that were just released have glitches, bugs, movement moves aren't even special anymore because the lay down special move is for the jwh and shire. A special move is to make that horse special. Your just paying 30 dollars for one horse that is not even special. Thankyou for your time guys
I always agree with all the points made in these videos. Looking back at what I’ve spent on this game over the years actually makes me feel a little sick. I was an adult when I started playing (I’m old haha) and having just pre ordered a DLC for a AAA title game which was cheaper than the price of 1 sso horse will provide 10+ hours of new gameplay without constantly doing the same races over and over and over again… it’s a no brainer.
I didn’t know they have stopped giving in-active players their weekly star coins. That’s really taking the P considering most of us who go offline for months on end is because we are bored of the game and have done everything there is to do except training horses.
Thank you again for another great video!
Last week I managed to play wildshade for the first time, because my cell phone couldn't run the game before and soon after Star Equestrian was released, I'm addicted to both games and I even forgot that Star Stable exists. But I love your videos so much and I'm always waiting for this notification that brings me joy 😊😊 And I can't wait for your Star Equestrian game review 🐎🌟
I got hacked a few months back, the person sold all my clothes, almost all my horses, all my tack, and other miscellaneous items. I am a level 19 that's been playing for 6+ years, I had hundreds of items in my closet and 100+ horses.
When I contacted sso, they gave me back 10 of my horses. Thats all. no money refund or anything....Everything was gone. I understand some things you can't do, but that is my own personal money that came out of my bank account that was lost because someone else got ahold of my credentials. I rarely log on to sso now, and I am sad that my passion for it has died, but I dont really have much to play for, especially now that the main quests are so bad.
ADDING: I noticed the shift in the abundance of horses around when the AQHs came out, thats when I noticed how frequent they were becomingm
I joined SSO in November. In playing pretty much every day, but still trying to make the content last, since I was aware it had the reputation for being thin on the ground, I exhausted the entire main quest, most of the side quests, and reached admired in all but a few factions in 4 MONTHS. This is a 10 year old game! That is absolutely WILD, that I got through 10 years of game in LESS THAN HALF A YEAR.
Honestly, SSO as a company should be pretty embarrassed. I still enjoy their glitchy, buggy, ridiculous product, but WOW, they are running in their own little world because horse games are so far off on the sidelines.
I remember playing SSO in what I like to think of as it's peak when community life was thriving and horses weren't frequent which let us get excited. That was the time when we were asking for the updates that they're only now giving us. I think in addition to the choice overload (which has honestly led to choice-paralysis for me - I can't even stand to look at the updates page anymore because it's just too many!) it's just too late. All of my old SSO friends have grown up, we're busy now with life, or finding our fun somewhere else. I can't even log on for the excuse of reliving my childhood and for the sake of nostalgia - it's all gone! It's all changed, nothing's the same, they even changed the Starcoin and Shillings GUI to something so ugly and minimalistic I kind of feel ill looking at them. Of course, I have ADHD so it's amplified for me but it's still the same point: something that used to bring joy and comfort now only gives me anxiety and discomfort. Amelia was right, it just stresses you out. It is impossible to keep up with for it's prices and it's changes, with every horse breed is a new tack series aswell, making it simply impossible to keep pace. It's unhealthy. There isn't enough joy in this game anymore to put in any effort.
When did it stop accumulating the star coins if you don't log on? It must have been recently, last 12 months I was in and out of hospital and came back to a nice stack of coins. This change is very underhand, and I didn't see any announcements about it. I admit to horse fatigue, too many horses being released, so no excitement. Lack of quests, and cheating in champs, but that's been the same for years. Thank you for a reasoned discussion, it is appreciated.
A lot of people have been reporting this, but it's an odd on off thing I've come to realise. I'm glad you enjoyed the discussion! ♥
I think they were selling it as "a bug for some people" but just not fixing it and thats how it started
I know nothing of online horse mmos, but I think your content is a fascinating look at a kind of game I wouldn't normally engage with. As for an actual comment of substance, I think "Just stop buying things!" is made more complicated by how the mtx are spread across players. Whales are a great source of microtransaction income. 1 player who can afford to drop 70 bucks a month for cartoon horse funbucks is worth more than six who only spend ten.
I'm happy they're listening to what we want but unsatisfied with the quality of things produced.
THATS why we're angry. Obviously, we were all super excited when sso announced new players....until we saw what they would look like 😦
I legit have never heard about this game before but I am so invested in this drama already
The amount of drama in horse games is really insane XD
That intro had me laughing out loud XD
Amazing video as usual! It's really sad to know that this game most likely isn't going to change..
Such an amazing job Rattle! Your content never disappoints, thank you for all you do for the community!!
Even as a kid playing back in 2012 I remember feeling quite underwhelmed with the game. It was boring. The target audience is kids but…where in the questlines is there true gameplay for kids?? It’s literally JUST reading and I had no attention span for it. I got bored and played SSO similar to how I play the Sims 4 NOW. I’d obsess for a week, then drop it for months at a time.
I might be in the minority there, but really I don’t see SSO’s current approach as something maintainable. New players feel intimidated to play catch-up which makes them not want to keep playing, and older players are bored out of their minds bc really, what gameplay is there other than spending money?
I absolutely agree with you. I really don't see how "old sso is better" when it was literally the same crap as it was now. The difference is that nowdays the older players are, well, old enough to understand their scummy tactics, something that they couldn't grasp when they were younger.
Dude even when they pump out horses we can't even enjoy the new ones that just came out! I want more quests, more stories! More map updates, do interactive things. I don't want to keep spending $70 a week trying to keep up with all these horses.
Seeing this animated short of Lisa and Starshine playing in the background is almost comical because you just KNOW they spend a fuckton of money to have this developed and animated (and it looks great, like a high end cg animated movie) only to completely change Lisa afterwards. She doesn't look like this anymore and neither does Starshine. So a fuckton of money just went down the drain. Good job SSO
Anwyays I love love your videos! Im always looking forward to any new content from you, I love the longer documentary style of videos you make 😊 I don't even watch any other sso creators but always tuning in to whatever you come up with :)
I randomly start rewatching your old videos and you drop a new ideo on the same day? I feel like I've summoned you.
Excited to watch it, since I stopped playing SSO completely in the past year and I'm not familiar with the recent issues. From the title I'm guessing it hasn't gotten any better huh?
WHO SUMMONED RATTLE?
lol! It's just weird that players are so upset, in the next part I'm hoping to explore some different sides of the spectrum. it's a difficult one to put together, lemme tell ya!
I truly wish I had never started playing. I was a depressed child who found it by chance and made it their whole personality; my parents must’ve spent over $500 and now that I’m an adult I realize I fell for a makeshift Ponzi Scheme. I am promised fun, I pay, the higher ups have fun, repeat. I don’t play SSO because I like it, I play because I told myself I liked it until I believed it.
I only see this video one week after release but wanted to give my own opinions on the current state of the game. I started playing SSO around 2014 if I remember correctly. And I remember back then how horses came out so rarely that every time it happened, I was so excited to check it out. Around 2016 I grew out of the game and started playing other games. I still logged on once or twice a year until I completely stopped. It was the end of last year that I started playing again and oh god the game changed while I was gone. Almost every old horse now had an updated version and even completely new breeds were released. And to my shock, the story did not continue that much further than I hoped it would. The game looks very different in textures and design besides the UI. I do like change and how it basically got improved to appeal to younger generations. Though the amount of horses and magic horses shocked me very much. Once they were rare and special and now they are a common accurance.
However, what still made me the most upset was the state of the Global and Local chats. Players were insulting each other again and again for hours and antagonizing everyone who had a different opinion. The chat is absolutely toxic and racial slurs are thrown around which are not even banned in the Chat. It was awful to see that the word "Discord" is banned in every variation and way you can try to possibly write it but racial slurs and other harsh insults and words are easy to write. This chat is not being moderated at all and consequences for players seem extremely low. No matter how many times I reported sexual conversations, terrible insults and other awful conversations, these players kept coming back with little to no punishment. And seeing this in a game that is mainly for kids, I am absolutely mindblown. The Team does not focus on safety of their player base but rather on making horses to earn more cash from their vulnerable young players. The amount of times I have requested to change this in star stable idea emails is countless.
For lifetime membership you spend like 70 euros when it is not on sale. It is awfully expensive and you are not even able to buy yourself more than one horse because you only get like 1200 sc for your purchase! So you are able to play the story through without worrying about your membership expiring or having to renew it or even waiting for codes but you cannot even afford more than one new generation horse. And to that, you cannot afford much of the clothing since the newer saddles now already cost 110 sc. The prices are so high that it seems insane for most adults. Though since it is a kids game and they do not have a sense of money yet, they want to buy it all on the cost of their parents. It is very clever of star stable to use the children they aim for to pull money out of the pockets of their parents.
When going around steves farm where everyone hangs out, I sometimes check out other players profiles to see their level, amounts of horses etc. And I kid you not, most of these players are level 11 and already have 10-20 horses on level one or two in their stable. They have not even finished much of the story and already own many horses without even using them at all. And if they do not, they get insulted by other players for being poor or ugly. This game is absolutely toxic and way too expensive for what it actually is. And unfortunately it is not possible to stop feeding the machine since the game aims for young players that spend their parents money on star coins. They do not care how much it costs since they are not the ones actually spending their earned money. Only the older generations of SSO players are actually spending their earned money on this game. These players are able to stop spending, but the kids will never do the same unfortunately.
I just wish they would focus a bit more on their community and try to satisfy their requests to some extend. Listen to your community and make the game enjoyable for everyone who owns it.
I see so many bugs when I log in that when you said that there are a lot of bugs I was like "what bugs", because it just became part of the game for me 💀💀
That's crazy
Hi I am an it student and want to add some it project insight. In many software development projects (what StarStable is) agaile scrum is used what I suspect StarStable also uses agaile scrum. In scrum you have a backlog where features are added and in increments of 1 or 2 weeks these features are released. These are called sprint. At the end a sprint a release able product should be released. This means that at the end of a sprint a working product is there without bugs (not a finished product, just a working product). StarStable has badly implemented it. The workers either have to many tasks or just aren’t motivated enough to correctly full fill their tasks. Or testing the game isn’t optimized. Which creates a game with many bugs, unfinished products etc.
they got a 2,5 star review on a big review site. some off them are not there fold but most of them are
this game does not seem like its.....fun. like its just a money spending scam at this point? fueled by fomo? like. its pseudo nft horses that dont do anything special? man theyre gonna be toast if a better competitor comes along
I'm not sure if you've played it based on that comment, but the best part of SSO was undeniably the plot as well as the open world aspect. Nowadays it's all pretty much gone to shit but back when I started playing discovering all the hidden locations (with the soundtrack on) and piecing the story together was THE shit. The plot used to genuinely be so gripping it made sense for day blockers to exist.
Bro, I remember when they started changing the batch of coats... And I was legit in shock, that even a bunch of my club remember and friends, when that first happened I thought "maybe it was an accident, or a test?" but when the next horses that all came out at once, again I was shocked and realized this is Star Stable changing their ways for no reason. I used to be an ACTIVE member of the SSO community but now, I just get super bored with it because I've done everything and I just want a good long quest (like a quest that can actually stay around until the next update comes or something), and nearly every horse they brought out recently just not my favorite horse (expect the Belgium horse, that horse is pretty good along with the American Paints and Arabians), like for eg, I can NOT handle seeing the new Morgans because I just cringe so badly on their legs as it's really weird for me and just gives me bad vibes on another pony (which legit slips my mind). But us getting horses EVERY DAMN MONTH is not what I want... I want something to ACTUALLY do and not spend my 100sc I get every damn week. Personally, I hate the spoilers these days, because one... I worry that Star Stable WILL screw over the breed (like they did to the Thoroughbreds and Frisians), I remember when the TBs were brought out and I brought them all, but they DON'T have the look of a TB, they legit look like donkeys every time I see them with their small head, big eyes and big ears, even the quality of the TBs looked crap until so many people complained that the horse's coat legit looked like it was just plastic. They also screwed over the Trakehners over a year later because everyone didn't 'like' how the horse moved, I brought the Trakehner because I loved their movements and now, I hate them with a passion because it was NOT the horse I brought so much money on (hell, they don't even come out of my stable now). There is sooooo many horses that mentally dislike because of HOW they move and how bugged the horses were.
My girlfriend was very pissed at SSO for not bringing out the OG Tree horses (aka the Lusis) because during the time, she was away and missed those horses (she has a massive grudge about it) and my girlfriend hates the 'dragon' horses as she is a hardcore dragon fan but said (and I quote) "Those are NOT dragons, those are bloody Lizards..." I mean, she's not wrong... They kinda remind me of Thrill-neck Lizard lol
Bugs... Ooooooooooh, there was so many bugs that I HATED in the game... When the Halloween Event came out (maybe two or three years ago), you legit could NOT go anywhere as the whole world and players were just Black and everything... I was traumatized about it for a long time (hell, that is still talked about among my friends). There was a REAL bad bug maybe last year or something at New Hillcrest where at the back of the building (near the Championships basically) your WHOLE screen will slowly bug out... It got so bad that the GAME crashed for me (I was luckily enough to log back in and move FAR from there), my girlfriend had the exact same problem and it was cringe for us... I think in ONE of the story Quests (with Linda and Galloper Thompson) and you could NOT even click on the quest because it was badly bugged out that only players that use the "E" to go to quests could be able to start it... I am ONE of those players that rather click on the quest with my mouse, so doing the 'e' button was a pain for me and frustrating that I could not even get the game to actually work, had to wait until the next day to sort out the problem out. There was one bug I found recently which was legit the horse buying menu, EVERYTIME I try and see the gaits of a horse, the game LEGIT goes from walk RIGHT to either Fast Gallop or Special move, and NO matter how many times I click the arrows to try and SEE the gaits, it would GET it completely stuck (Lets just say, you do NOT want to see what happens when you try and go from 'gallop' to 'full gallop' in the buying menu... I just died laughing at it until it actually got worse...) The only way to fix that bug was to re-log...
I can continue the many ways of why I can't handle SSO anymore unlike how I used to, but... I think I covered it all up pretty easily lol Star Stable seriously needs to look at themselves in a mirror and ask themselves "Is it WORTH doing what we are doing? Are we pumping out TOO many horses? Are we ASKING too much from the players?" THAT'S how bad they are going on this path..
Not gonna lie, the bugs are basically just laughing at SSO since SSO is SO slow on fixing them but SO fast on bring out horses nearly week...
While I currently don't play SSO, a game I play is experiencing the same thing.
Creatures of Sonaria is a survival game on Roblox. Basic concept is you are a creature and you just survive.
Each week they are pumping out two creatures that range in prices of 1.k to 10k. Some even cost actual money. At the time I'm writing this, the game currently has 230+ creatures. I can't imagine how new players feel when they see this long list of creatures you can get. Not to mention older players, I have a hard time choosing which creature to grow because of the amount.
Another this is they have gachas. Those can range from 65 to 2.5k. Again some cost actual money and even other in game points. The gachas are also a chance thing, like the eggs in adopt me.
Getting mushrooms(what the currency is called) is a long task. The last few months they added missions and it gives you some mushrooms. But considering the prices the creatures are, the missions are almost worthless. It does add up over time but if you are currently having creatures added, you are unlikely to have alot.
They do have events but those creatures cost alot. For events, you have a completely different currency which is nice. However the creatures still cost alot and the mini games during those events don't give out enough for you to get the creature you want. And of course over the years, more and more will be added onto of the older ones. Plus one Easter event completely broke the trade stock and caused another event called the LSS. You needed to pay 35k total to get all four creatures.
Alot of the older creatures need remodels but they completely get pushed back for the newer ones. But half of the time the newer ones have other issues. Like when they do a certain pose, you can see something go through it's neck.
Off the creatures, the map was in need of a update. A year ago, we had news that a new map was coming. But for whatever reason it was cancelled months later. Flash step to now, we again have another map in progress. As of now its said to be 70% - 80% done. Only time will tell if we actually get it.
Still waiting for them to do anything about the impossibly difficult process of having your account email changed.
I know right... those stupid privacy questions are so goddamn stupid. Oh, you put a random bday date on your acc? Tough luck. Oh, you no longer use the credit card that you used 10 years ago? No new email for yoooou~ They should implement 2 step authentication at this point if they're so concerned about "hacking"
@@saltykitty9215 yeah, I can't change my email because I bought lifetime with A PAYSAFECARD CODE, I DO NOT HAVE AN ACCOUNT! And they still ask for a receipt, what receipt?! All you need is the confirmation email as always!
@@saltykitty9215 At least you got there. I haven't even gotten them to reply to my support query to get my email changed. Why? Because they keep trying to contact the email address that I can no longer access instead of the new one i provided them.
Also: there's a quest on 15-16 level where Linda takes you to Dino Valley, but dissapears as soon as you step foot into Stonecutters Vault, making it impossible to continue with the main quests. I've seen some people say they've had this problem for up to a year now and SSO continues to do nothing. Nice
great video, like always! no arguments to your points, this is all what the game has as problems and for years I have been voicing the same stuff too; they have money to release toy lines, merch, books, music, TV series and new games - why isn't their main product making enough progress? Star Stable released (or brought back) an absurd amount of horses last year, and I'll lay the statistics here for you to really see how the horse burn out is 100% valid:
7 new horse breeds of which they released 6-7 coats with first release, ranging from 800 to 950sc (45 in total > if u bought 1 of each it would be 6250)
with these, they also made extra coats to different breeds in game (11) and variants in the horses app (8) AND the new magic horses (5×2) which totals to 74 new coats, cheapest being 800sc :D (also most new magic horses came with pets and most new breeds came with exclusive tack)
then they returned horses in magical horse rotations (which is a thing added last year) and festivals, they brought back 37 (+ Birkir & Hanami second time so 39) from Soul Steed, magic horses and equestrian festival exclusives, ranging from 300sc to 975sc
so the new/returning coats would add to 111 horses
& not to forget discounts/price drops and retirements
That's why I often prefer offline singleplayer games. In those, you at least don't have to deal with the devs randomly changing or removing key aspects of the game whenever they feel like it.
resisting the urge to just make an sso comic and finish up the damn storyline
I quit this game in 2021. Part of the reason was because there is no way to entertain yourself without spending money. I have paid $75 CAD for the game but found myself bored after I have discovered other games, especially ones where I am able to have my character represent me. An issue I have with star stable is I can’t feel connected with my character because it doesn’t represent me. I’m a guy, a character that has no dialogue and no personality has no way to connect with me. I play games where our characters don’t have dialogue but the main difference is I can make my character look like me or look really ridiculous. Anyways, back to the money thing. I payed $40 for a game it it’s demo release. This was before beta and before alpha, I was among the first players of this game. In the 3 years that it has been worked on, it has been worth more in content than star stable. It’s not a horse game, but it’s a game that I am fond of and I think that since it’s also an indie game, it’s comparable.
In year 1 of this game, we got fighting mechanisms, map expansions, precise movements, about 10 new creatures to play as and a questing system. In the second year we got a growth system, 5 new creatures and got to see development on a new map, as well as community servers. In the third year, aka 2022 to august of this year, we got a new map, 5 new creatures again with more on the way. These updates came out slowly, unlike star stable, but also unlike star stable, they were refined and came with very few bugs. It’s much less content coming out each month but it’s better content. Sso needs to remember quality over quantity.
New horses used to be the most exciting thing, now it's just a regular tuesday, and half the horses are rushed and very ugly, either in looks or in animation or BOTH.
I think SSO could benefit a lot more from limiting how many new models they make and instead release more coat variants if they want to make more money. Cause obviously new coats take way less time and resources than new models and they can still make a lot of money.
Here's my thing with SSO releasing so many horses - they're effectively running their game into an early grave if this is their long-term plan. There is only a finite amount of horse breeds in the world, and thus only so many horse breeds that SSO can release unless they decide to start making their own. They want the game to last at least another 10 years, but at the rate they're releasing breeds currently, they *will* eventually run out of new breeds to release and horse to update during that time - so what's their backup plan for when that happens?
They’ll eventually stop making horses or just start making more magic ones
y'know I never thought about how ridiculous a lifetime membership price was until recently. I got a lifetime membership for my 8th birthday (I'm 17 now), so the thought never crossed my mind. But looking at it... A lifetime membership in this game is worth maybe $20 if they keep this up
i agree with the fact that sso is releasing too many horses, especially compared to the so little star coins that we receive for free. there is absolutely no way to be able to buy the horses without buying star coins, or just sacrificing not buying other horses or coats, which is most likely not an option for many (often due to feeling left out, not being able to choose just one coat, fearing when the horses will leave and they wont be able to buy them again, thinking that they may regret buying one coat and not the other) I know from personal experience, that when the magical horses are released, I feel obligated to get both along with their pets, and coming from someone who loves collecting all the magic horses, it feels terrible to have just one and not the other, it feels incomplete.
I also think that everything is over priced, and that goes for everything, horse gear and accessories, character gear and accessories, and especially the horses themselves. considering how little star coins you get every week, it is no where near enough to keep up with the new released and horse rotations. along with the fact that people pay so much money to get star coins, but then only receive enough for like 2 or possibly 3 horses.
sso need to calm down with the horses, and the prices. i understand that they need to earn money, but considering how expensive everything is, not many are able to afford things, especially younger kids who have to ask their parents for money, feeling left out when they can't buy a new horse that everyone else around them has.
The video formatting is so good and easy to take in everything the video has to say. And address. I hate how greedy SSO has become, and how much certain people just defend with the same arguments
At this point SSO has turned into a 3D model viewing software. I think their best bet is to make this single player so they can stop paying for servers and just start a whole new game in a whole new engine. They clearly don't like their story, the game is completely broken and it has just turned into an unhealthy addiction for players because people just waste their money paying for these useless 3D models. SSE would probably be best producing 3D horse assets on the unity store or something, people would be able to use those horses for something cool like a fun game or animation. Obviously this isn't going to happen and it would upset a lot of people to remove the online feature. Even just letting people have a mod-able single player version would be awesome (like RDR) so people can fix your game for you SSE!
My dealbreaker with sso as someone who played it for an entire decade is the leveling system. If i missed out on ONE event quest, that exp will be lost forever. I, as someone who takes hiatuses because of health issues, aswell as new players have no chance to ever reach the top players. It wouldn't be as big of a problem if stats weren't involve. But they are, and i got tired because of it.
i remember back in the day as soon as the coat colors were released i'd pick one and save star coins and i'd already have a name and i was always SO EXCITED and i always LOVED my new horses but now its like "okay havent logged on for 2 weeks... lets see the new horses ig 🙄"
I personally don't buy every new horse in the game, eventhough I have more than enough star coins to do so. Horses are really pushed the last few years, when I started playing (2014) it wasn't that way at all and it was super exciting if a new horse dropped. I hope they pick up their quest making again, because there have been such good quests (like the one with Madison and her family), we need more like that.