Klamath dams are coming out | Dam removal project on the Klamath River | Oregon Field Guide
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- The world's largest dam removal project is underway on the Klamath River in Southern Oregon and Northern California. The project will dramatically change summertime whitewater rafting and remove the lakes some people have built their lives around while reopening more than 400 miles of potential habitat for salmon that have been blocked from swimming upstream for a century.
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I get really tired hearing about the cost to people, the homeowners, the tourists. You know what's good for people? Functional and stable ecosystems. The short term costs are nothing compared to the long term cost of global ecosystem collapse. Clean water and food are far more valuable than water front real estate and rafting.
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Bravo!
Waterfront real estate is criminal imo. We have 2 coastlines crammed with private property. Hurricanes wipe them out, tax payers have to clean it up. Beaches should be public access.
And Jay just where do you live that you wouldn't complain if I destroyed your way of life?? In the city?? How about I stopped allowing you import your food while exporting your waste so you can live and say silly things online??
Elwha River basin is seeing incredible results. After these last 6 years. The way it once was . Salmon are thriving. Ecosystem flourishing. Hydro generated energy was @ 45 /50 % of what it was designed for originally. 👋✋🙏
But whatever will the poor endangered real estate agents ever do? My heart goes out to them. Who cares about a river that has a long history of feeding people with a natural, renewable, and openly accessible source of food. Where's the value in that? How one could ever value that over a general store is mind boggling. I mean, it's yet another way our poor real estate agent could potentially milk you for everything you've got, while stating "it's all about the community". And who'll deny the value of the community general store over one of the most astonishing gifts the planet could offer....free, renewable food. I mean, where's the money in that? Am I right, real estate guy?
You are so right.. Like in your city.. I think we should take away the water that flowes into your house and the store that supplies it... Then you MIGHT know the uncertainty destroying entire civilizations has grown to rely on feel like.. I find it funny the native americans are complaining about fish when they get paid THOUSANDS of dollars in stipends from that loss..
id love to buy one of them houses id live there in a second
Property owners clearly have more power in society than they should, for their leisure spaces to have been given priority over the source of life for an entire ecosystem
The Klamath River restoration will never be complete without also restoring streams and beaver habitat. The beavers will store water that will replenish groundwater supplies, create ideal habitat for birds, fish, and other animals, and will provide water to the river in the summer months. The removal of dams without that stream restoration will fail to improve water quality or to decrease water temperatures and algae blooms in the summertime because there will not be enough freshwater flow. The beavers are a keystone species. The rivers need them to survive.
So true! And that doesn't even get into the effect they have in suppressing wildfires! Cheers to these fantastic critters!!!
Absolutely, and in tandem with permaculture, it is the most powerful and best way to restore habitats and ecosystems fully.
Beaver dams only ever existed up side streams as the yearly floods sluice everything down the gorge.
They must bring beavers back to slow the river and store water. They create the habitat for the salmon fry to grow and thrive.
So beaver dams are ok but not human dams?
Yes , thanks to the Native Americans.
4th largest Anadromous fish producer on West Coast North America, "traditional" .
God bless ❤️❤️💪💪 keep up the good work restoring the nature.
The Salinas river in Central California got rerouted by the Army Core of Engineers, and when you drive that long section of (Highway 101) through all the agricultural fields you can see the old berm where this mighty river used to flow. It apparently used to be very “snakelike” the way it flowed for thousands of years. When big storms hit the valley, the old part of where the river used to be sometimes fills up from groundwater. It wants to flow the way its always intended to do. Native steelhead trout used to populate it as well but now are just a small run of fish. Its always a beautiful thing watching these documentaries and seeing hopeful change for the future of ecosystems and Earth’s rivers. Bless up yall! Its no better time than now to let nature recover and do its thing!!
About 25% of our food comes from the Salinas & Sacramento Rivers, so you want to take the blame for families starving?
What about the ecological disaster this stupidity caused?
@alibarron7558 humans can always find another source of food, most animals in an ecosystems cannot
Thank God they are removing the Dams! Dams kill off the whole ecological system! So proud of the Yurok people! Thank you for not giving up. I know it was a hello of a fight, and if the 100-year contract didn't expire, you guys would still be fighting in court. Love Klamath and the Klamath River. That's where I fee myl peace and serenity. Especially on a boat, up-river. The river means more than our recreational desires.
I think human population growth is what is "killing" off the ecological system.. Maybe we should get rid of a large portion of the population that produce nothing and care for nothing.. Like people who live in the city who have destroyed their ecological system and now want to tell others how it should be done.
BOLLOCKS!!
Dams do not "Kill off the whole ecological system".
Dams DO alter an ecosystem. Is that good or bad? That depends on your point of view.
Nature is quite capable of forming it's own dams through completely natural events. From your perspective that would make nature bad. This is ridiculous. What is natural is change and adaptions to change. Nature doesn't care if a species goes extinct. Another species will just move in or adapt to the niche. 99% of all species that have ever existed on earth are extinct and humanity had no influence on that, humanity did not exist when these events took place.
Man made interventions in nature are, from natures point of view, perfectly acceptable. They are just a bigger beaver dam. Just think how many creatures are displaced just so a beaver can build it's dam.
No Grandma.. What has and is killing off the ecological system is Human over population.. Everyone is taking 10 times more from this planet than the planet can support.. INcluding YOU !! I don't see you destroying your home, way of life, and careers to fix it.. But you want others to do that under some delusion it's going to fix anything..
Perfect opportunity and place to reintroduce beavers! I hope the CA and OR Natural Resources departments have given that option some thought. Those critters would do wonders for restoring proper (natural) water retention and vegetation to the areas that were former reservoirs.
The best solution for our times and the future, beavers 🦫🦫
Yup , "Beaver 🦫 Believer". ✨👍✨.
About time they're doing something for the salmon. Stupid people worrying about how to make a dollar
I love beavers. ❤ That is absolutely what's needed.
@@gregorymillar285making a dollar is fine, but we have too many people trying to make as many dollars as they can at the expense of others.
I have always wanted to see what the natural state of the Columbia river would be be without the dams in it too. And even the heavily modified flows and falls of the Willamette.The more dams are removed from our rivers and streams, the better. So many people, especially ranchers, don't believe you can preserve and guarantee water throughout the year without having a dam to fill a basin, however they're wrong about that. Premaculture, and ironically, bringing back and protecting beavers and their habitats (and that means letting them create dams, floodplains and wetlands) is proven almost everywhere on earth to do that job and do it far better than any human interventions and dams ever have. Got to live WITH nature and the land, not off of it.
I think you forgot (as everyone in this video) that the climate is now very different.. Drier and hotter summers will practically dry up the rivers and the warmer water temperatures will cause massive fish die offs because many fish cannot survive in warmer waters that are now very prevalent.
@@tomwillis9051 Except none of that has even happened beyond a very rare occasion in very specific places. Climate change is entirely normal, as is this current climate change event we're experiencing.
Moreover, I don't see how what you've said has anything to do with what I did. It does even work as a counter.
And looking at many places in the deserts, its abundantly clear how permaculture using native plants and mimicking beavers has restored forests and grasslands to desertified regions. The Saheel is a great case study showing this, specifically in Niger. Another is in the Black Rock Desert of Nevada, which has a creek basin that a small coop has managed to restore back into a proper very green and healthy ecosystem despite the climate and weather being far drier and hotter. They again used permaculture of native plants, as well as reintroduced beavers which rapidly aided them in restoration.
And when you do this, even in deserts, the water table, aquifers and thus groundwater all gets replenished again, and sticks around all year, no matter the weather. It turns entire basins people have thought were normally seasonal into year-round streams.
So if you're of the mind that it cannot work because "the climate has changed into too dry and hot for it to work", you're actually mistaken.
@@TheCriminalViolin #1 Fish die offs due to temperature have been occuring in several rivers over the last decade. Including the Columbia and the Klamath. They are being identified and mitigated by the dams working with USFW to release large volumes of water to keep the river cool during these hot months.. It is well known but not well reported.
secondly.. What I said and stand by is that this river is in a drought. It is very possible it will significantly decrease to a point fish will not be viable. Several instances in Northern California rivers doing this.. Large rivers turning to just a stream.
And your glorious plan to tear out concrete dams to replace them with ones made by beavers is seemingly pointless.. If beaver dams solved the Wests drought problems (drought meaning lack of rainfall) then by definition Most of the west would not be labeled as a desert..
Lastly, while I think you truly believe your hypothesis. I am sure beavers help just as me taking a pee against a tree helps also but beavers and everything do NOT make it rain more, do not stop over population, do not stop over fishing, do not answer who is suppose to give while others take..
Two things in logical people's eye cause this #1 human species overpopulation, #2 Human technological advances.. Until you have less people living this will only get worse. Americans are spoiled with big vehicles, big houses, and consuming more than their environment can provide.. But until you stop the chinese fishing fleet from sitting 200 miles off shore with 50 mile long nets in international waters.. Tearing out dams isn't going to do a dam thing to improve salmon populations. It's only a feel good thing for ignorant fools..
less dams less food
@@ResortDog Nahh to people like these. Food comes from the Grocery store.. They say the could grow it or hunt / gather it but they don't really have time to ..
Now do The Dalles Dam so we can get Celilo Falls back...doubt BPA would go for that.
now you're talking
Wouldn't that be something.
And your house.. Omg wouldn't it be great to see your house bulldozed so where you live can return to the natural environmental state of past times.. Where the native americans lived in animal skin houses and moved around to not destroy one location..
Ha! Good luck...NEVER gonna happen
Maybe the Native Americans can get back to commercial gill netting again with their nylon nets.
Ouch , and true.
Columbia river gillnetting is pretty disgusting . ...
@@powderbeast5598catches the hatchery and native fish both. That's what I don't like.
I hope to see many more rivers freed up in my lifetime.
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Yes, and world peace, blah, blah....
That means less lakes and power. Although. I do want salmon to explode in population
Back to the stone age. Good job.
@@oozlefinch7109yeah the same people crying for the removal of Dams also want open borders. They are ignorant to the fact that the population needs stored water to survive.
Where will the electricity come from that was supplied by the dams? I think people will be crying later
The same thing needs to happen on the Deschutes river.
and the Columbia
Wouldn't that be a sight , to see Chinook salmon spawning in Metolius river.
But how could you grow alfalfa in the desert ? ...
And the Kennebec in Maine.
Yes, let's destroy our infrastructure so no one can afford their power bill anymore. Great idea.
it needs to happen on all rivers ,, the elwah proves it,
I think choosing to be a real estate agent or opening a store in a town of 50 houses is their problem not the rivers. 😂
Absolutely the truth. It's just another case of people blaming their bad decisions on someone else.
I understand the rafters' plight. But recreation is not necessarily a function that the ecology of the river depends on. It's human activity that has been adapted to human intervention. Before the dams, were there white water rafting trips and guides? Maybe not, or at least they were smaller groups in canoe or kayak?
But the underlying point is that we can return many modified systems back to their pre-European colonization status. Redwood forests that took a few hundred to a few thousand years to grow, can return but none of us will see it. Forests that are few and far between can reemerge.
Over the mountains to the plains to the East, the Prairie is waiting for the fences to come down and the annual bison migration to begin again, when dozens then hundreds then thousands of head per herd moving annually between Mexico and Canada. That's such a pipe dream, yet it would be very much tried and true ecology.
Maybe we will get smaller, in population and we don't need so much land to cultivate into massive farms all over the Plains States? Maybe? Maybe?
I won't live long enough to see the river restored, but my faith in nature will be the power to revive what was lost, welcome home.
We won't be here to enjoy. We are being removed to built the elites version of heaven on earth.
Probably true… removing the damn created an ecological disaster that may take lifetimes to resolve
I wish that Lake Pillsbury Dam could be removed from the Upper Eel River. PG&E no longer wants it. Historically it supported great numbers of Steelhead and Chinook. As a Game Warden I patrolled that area for many years. It is a shame for such good habitat is out of production and has been for many years. This strain of Steelhead was the source of hatchery production for many years and is some of the largest fish in California! Many miles of stream have been lost......wold be a worthy project for a group or organization (tribal??)
Dam removel is only the first step. Then deforestation and natural plant life all the way up a d down needs to be addressed. Its not a quick fix. Those 800 Year old trees that used to be there that helped retain moisture can't be grown over night. I wish.
You're talking about an area with wildfire and volcanoes, the trees will adapt and fill in just fine.
And what is going to happen on the electricity side when the supply is diminished at a time when demand is increasing due to the increase in electric cars? Also, this renewable power source is being removed at a time when utilities are required to convert more of their production to renewable sources.
Not to worry, all the people will be in the 15 minute cities walking and riding bikes.
These dams produce a tiny amount of electricity. If they produced more then the owners would uses their wealth to win the political fight to keep them. Hydro dams are not renewable energy in that they have massive ecological impacts.
@vids595 those electric cars are even worse
The klamath once had not only coho and chinook and green and white sturgeon and small scale suckers but dog salmon also and eulechon AKA candle fish runs.
In my time candle fish runs were so big we could fill a truck bed full for the smoke house.
Now not one candlefish that I know of .
Until the candle fish and dog salmon are brought back the river will never be whole.
I never heard that the river had any Chums in it ?
Not much discussion of restoration of normal gravel movement. Even undersized culverts can have a big effect. Dams just stop it. Gravel continues to move downstream, and isn’t replaced. It’s something that doesn’t matter over one year. Over decades it’s a big deal. And chum are all about spawning gravel, and a decent estuary. If neighboring stream has adequate number of chum, restarting the runs using remote site incubators is low tech, and doesn’t need professional operation*. I’ve done it, under approval and direction of WDFW. A spring, up out over the flood plain is the key. *Producing fertilized eggs, ensuring no disease, and raising them to ‘eyed up’ are professional operations. My comments just limited to RSI operation.
Not much discussion of restoration of normal gravel movement. Even undersized culverts can have a big effect. Dams just stop it. Gravel continues to move downstream, and isn’t replaced. It’s something that doesn’t matter over one year. Over decades it’s a big deal. And chum are all about spawning gravel, and a decent estuary. If neighboring stream has adequate number of chum, restarting the runs using remote site incubators is low tech, and doesn’t need professional operation*. I’ve done it, under approval and direction of WDFW. A spring, up out over the flood plain is the key. *Producing fertilized eggs, ensuring no disease, and raising them to ‘eyed up’ are professional operations. My comments just limited to RSI operation.
Not much discussion of restoration of normal gravel movement. Even undersized culverts can have a big effect. Dams just stop it. Gravel continues to move downstream, and isn’t replaced. It’s something that doesn’t matter over one year. Over decades it’s a big deal. And chum are all about spawning gravel, and a decent estuary. If neighboring stream has adequate number of chum, restarting the runs using remote site incubators is low tech, and doesn’t need professional operation*. I’ve done it, under approval and direction of WDFW. A spring, up out over the flood plain is the key. *Producing fertilized eggs, ensuring no disease, and raising them to ‘eyed up’ are professional operations. My comments just limited to RSI operation.
Very interested to watch the transformation = reformation into a productive salmon habitat🥰 Go fishies and other wildlife that will welcome the habitat!
Why? What's so good about ecological disasters?
Thank you Troy,
For your persistence and bringing nature back into balance and harmony. 🙏
Everyone suffers when we don't take care of mother earth. Not everything should be about making a buck.
Cheers to you!!
He drove to the river in a gasoline-powered vehicle, dressed in all the finest Chinese-made clothes Walmart has to offer while his ascites tell a story of at least 2-gallons of whiskey per week(or McDonald's on the reg).
How come none of these "traditionalists" ever show up on a horse, all-ripped and dressed in buckskin?
Guarantee there's an EBT card in his wallet...
@@psychosneighbor1509 I love how racist scumbags always shows their true nature.
The only thing that was brought back was a severe ecological disaster.
Can't wait until the river is free again and people are disappointed because the salmon will not return at expected levels. Be careful what you ask for. Until the real problem is addressed, which is overfishing salmon in the Pacific Ocean.
Salmon won't return to the klamath Basin at all. 1. There's a 40' natural waterfall. 2. They won't spawn in pumice.
If you knew there was a very good chance that the dams would be removed, then why did you buy property "lakefront" there! Seems like a very foolish investment!!
Great news!
Why? What's so good about ecological disasters?
Now in September 2024, dams have been removed and restoration work continues. It'll be interesting to see further changes
Why not just install fish ladders, fruitcakes?
They did, not enuf for the wanters.
take out ALL the Dams then buy EV cars O and be told not to charge them untill after 6 pm great
Don't salmon return to their exact location where they were born? None of them were born in the extra 400 miles of "habitat". Do you think they Want to swim further? Maybe you should have thought this through before making this extreme decision. I feel sorry for the people who's homes lost their lake. Are you going to compensate them for ruining their lives? How would you like it if somebody did that to you?
Do you think they compensated the native Americans when they lost their fishing grounds?
They have thought it through Susan.
The loss of fish habitat was supposed to partially be replaced by hatcheries spawning and releasing fish. While it was better than nothing through many decades of trying its pretty clear that you can spend a lot of money on it but it never makes up for the lost habitat. There is also the loss of salmon genetics that have been fine tuned to a specific habitat over millennia but aren't used in hatcheries because they don't do well in a hatchery environment.
Once they open the river up what ever native fish are left will slowly return to the newly reclaimed habitat. No doubt the DFW and native groups will assist that return where they can with habitat projects and water flow help.
Nature is incredibly resilient and can often recover well if people stop abusing it. I live in Los Angeles . There is a dam on Malibu Creek that has been there for almost 100 years and the lake the dam created filled with sediment 15 years after it was built. So for over 80 years there has been a dam that has no use blocking steelhead habitat . Dam is 3 miles from the ocean and there is 18 miles of stream habitat off limits to the salmon. The point about natures resilience is that the native steelhead show up in the pool below the dam most every year. For 100 years they come to check if the dam is still there to block their path and for 100 years the answer has been yes, it is. Good news for them is their century long wait has not been in vane. The project to remove the dam has started and the actual removal of the dam is slated to start in 2025.
After the Elwha river dams were removed between 2011 and 2014, salmon and steelhead returned to the spawning grounds that had been cut off all those years ago. Must be in their nature.
PS - It will be interesting to see how the land devolves after the four dams are removed.
Good thing salmon are smarter than the garbage that spews from you.
It would be nice to have included how much clean power is produced by the hydroelectric dams and what it will be replaced by. Climate change matters.
There is no such thing as clean energy. All forms have some sort of environmental cost.
there is cleaner energy....
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No such thing as climate change. It's a scam wake up. Don't be brainwashed. All predictions have been wrong and they profit off simple minded people's hysteria.
It’s been 10 years since the the dam was removed from the Sandy river. The fishing is worse now than before it was removed. Maybe in 100 years it will get better?
Same thing on the rogue river. It made it way worse. Same thing will happen on the Klamath.
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Don't bet on it. All this dam removal will cause the water to go straight out to the ocean, and then what will come is more drought. This is all about water control. The dams were put here for a reason. To hold back water in dry times. Well, more dry times are coming!
I hope these w0k€ |\|utj0b$ are happy because they're d€$tr0y!|\|g Oregon.
I can't wait to see how horrible it is here in 10 years.
@brandonduarte6757 I did find it curious they're won't be sufficient flow to float the river in late summer, but they're confident the fish will return all the way to Klamath Lake during the fall spawn? With what water?
@underthetrees4780 going to be a creek. I also go for gold on the Klamath, so with low water, it's going to open up new spots.
This idea will pay for itself if used. Dam, what a loss of potential electrical water power, building a powered fish ladder or channel around the Dam so fish can move freely up and down the river could offset the cost. Why, we waste miles and miles of unused potential electrical water power by not installing these slow speed underwater turbines called Waterotors in all rivers and streams moving 2 to 5 miles an hour. These units are being used by the Canadian military in the far North to replace diesel generators. Waterotors won't harm fish, can be moved if needed, work 24/7 unlike wind and solar and work in tidel flow areas along coastlines. The Green Dream won't happen without these units to power the future needs of EV cars. Search it on TH-cam, this is just an idea I got off TH-cam. Fact check it yourself, I don't work for or sell anything.
The victim mentality is unfortunate, when there is so much more to gain. I for one will visit the river where I have no interest in visiting another lake.
I feel for peoples' communities and businesses, but salmon and mother nature have been around for much longer
My heart is dancing with joy that the River will be free - I am Shasta amd the copto dam sits on sacred sites
Is your heart still dancing now that it's caused an ecological disaster?
I'm in BC Canada.. I am in the West Kootenays wondering if Salmon could return.. Why no fish ladders exist.. Would be amazing.. 😊
Take your Copco real estate selling behinds somewhere that's not going through a natural renewal process & stop whining. There's real estate to sell elsewhere.
The corporations never lose, only their cheap power using customers. The assests were stripped from PP&L by hedge funds decades ago.
I feel so bad for these poor rich people who are going to lose their lakefront property can you hear the sarcasm in my voice I mean they act like having late front property is like the most important thing what about the salmon what about the tribes that are not being able to fish and all the fish that are dying because of all the dams they would happily let all that die so they could have late front property so they could show off to their friends about how rich they are
Darn, the Californians plans of business profit are foiled. Someone start them a Gofundme. LOL
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@@RCRitterFPV The gays used to be before they vested everything in a dream property that turned into a dry hole. I guess they can always go back to their friends in S.F., where the party never ends
projecting much?
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@@RCRitterFPV . Living on a bureau of reclamation reservoir , has a short timespan these days.
I hope we will see more dam removals in the future.
Why? What's so good about ecological disasters?
All rivers are different, and some dams themselves create ecological disasters.
Go Salmon Go!
Going to make it worse for salmon just like what happened here on the rogue river.
@@brandonduarte6757Rogue has been impacted beyond repair.
Too many people living along the river. Too much run off. Too much fishing pressure.
Too many sea lions at the mouth. Too many boaters. Too much logging.
@@jesse75 you really need to lay off those hormone blockers and boosters. No one can be that delusional naturally.
Your salmon are dead now. The river will never be the same with 60 million yards of toxic sludge. Fools
🎉 this is truly worthy of celebration! Now generations to come have a fighting cahnce to see this river in its glory! May the waters remain cool while flowing and let the fish return!
Salmon tastes like POOP! Smelly!
Why? What's so good about ecological disasters?
@@Sujad the dam was the ecological disaster
@@heatherkaye8653 It really wasn't. Not compared to the disaster it now is.
@@Sujad the earth has no problems solving its issues out without human intervention. Our technologies are the problem.
Sediment built up behind dams should be dredged and put on depleted valley agricultural soils.
Perhaps sifted for gold too.
Decades of built up sediment will affect everything downstream
including existing banks, gravel bars
etc.
including where the river and ocean
intersect. This could threaten salmon and other wildlife health health
Have you checked out the Elwha River and how much it benefited from dam removal? The sediment restored the river's delta at the ocean. It's a years long process.
It's going to destroy everything downstream to the ocean. Under 4 feet of sediment. No more salmon spawning beds.
@@brandonduarte6757 Nope, wrong. Short-term possibly some issues but long-term great benefits from the sediment being released.
@@jjxtwo1 not according to local scientists. I live out here. Been listening to the scientists for a couple years now plus what happened on our rogue river. Made our fishing way worse.
@@brandonduarte6757 We can talk again in 10 years. The river will be healthy.
There's gonna be a whole lotta dam water comin' down that river next year.
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*ahem*
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So when the dams are removed, and the water goes away in late summer, then what? Additionally, i am willing to bet as the environment changes, water is still used, people just like california, will complain they dont have water. Those dams force water into a water table, that will disapear. Additionally where is your power going to come from?
Destroying the dams may make the fishes happy but the people that relied up them not so much. Weren't the people in the climate change cult wanting MORE renewable (carbon free) energy choices, not fewer?
It's pretty complicated! Unfortunately most people, even people pushing for renewable energy to conserve the environment, don't understand that they have to choose something with the least impact. In this case, probably a different form of river generated energy could be used. It isn't always compatible economically, so sometimes a compromise is made. Or, a structure is built because it was considered the best during the time it was built and there's newer technology with less environmental impact. Sometimes people will play along with ulterior motives to get another thing they want, like those realtors and their lakefront property. It's too bad renewable energy isn't one-size-fits-all, and the right choice changes over time, and what ends up getting built isn't always what everyone wanted. Although, I bet you since they're in the northwest they could probably get some good geothermal going, until another NIMBY realtor says the steam stacks will ruin their property's view, despite such a plant creating jobs. It's so unfortunately complicated, and each situation is a case-by-case issue.
This is so dam cool
God Bless Aaron. Take back build small hydro in along the river now. And make free energy for the locals. Get rid of the Giant Corps.
That's awesome. Free the salmon
So if these are dams that supply electricity why cut them out of a struggling system that doesn't supply enough power for the future of electric cars ?
California actually produces a surplus of power. The electricity provided by these old dams has already been replaced many times over by solar and wind power. Dams have a lifespan, and these were at the end of theirs.
Man im excited for the future
And with a little luck and some smart biologists, maybe a few of the smaller tributaries will be populated with Beaver again. Those smaller streams can be dammed with logs and debris and they will back up enough water into the upper tributaries to keep the water stable and flowing, maybe less but still flowing even in Summer. It's like a thousand little controlled release valves, these Beaver "leaky" dams.
They created an ecological disaster.
Now we need to restore Tulare lake and Owens lake!
Respect of the tribes 🎉
Welcome more water shortages
My question is ,has any of sediments been tested down stream?. how many farmers up stream?.
Nope and they blew the sediment all over place. It's an ecological disaster now.
@@Sujad nice IMPACT STUDY.
@@shawnsanders2182 Yeah, considering the rampant bureaucracy of California, you'd think they'd have known what would happen but no, they screwed the pooch.
So glad to see these worthless dams finally being taken out so the mighty Klamath can begin its reparation.
I will wait on the sidelines till I see how this massive project works out. Will the salmon move upstream? What is going to replace the power generation from these dams? I’ll wait and see what happens! Man thinks he can do anything, but I have my doubts. It’s ok to disagree with me. Just be civil and polite.
Was it not human's belief that they could do anything that has practically destroyed an ecosystem and millenia old free, renewable food source by damming it all up and thinking it would work out fine? Us assuring the natives that they're way was no longer necessary or relevant for we had technology that would render their ways archaic and obsolete?
I'd look at the damn removal project on the Elwah River in Wa. State for evidence of fishery restoration. It's been a smashing success. These rivers were damned off naturally by ice, covered by glaciers off and on through various ice ages and the fish always make their way back up the rivers. At times the access was blocked over thousands of years. These damns have been there for a split second in the bigger scheme.
As for power production, I'm not versed on the particulars of the damns on the Klamath, but hundreds of hydro electric damns throughout the west have been rendered obsolete and no longer provide energy in a capacity that offers much, if any, value. Many localities that used to rely on these smaller damns haven't pulled power from them in decades. Again, not sure if that's the case here, but I'd bet so. Cheers to you and we'll see how this works out. Personally I see this as man letting nature regain control instead himself thinking he can do anything. I hope that was civil and polite. I appreciate good debate and also am just fine with disagreements of opinion.
No. They return to almost the exact same location they were born. So if they were born below the dam. They will not go any further. They could put hatchery fish up stream. And that would work.
@@GOD719 how did fish find their way back up rivers as different ice sheets blocked and unblocked rivers over and over for thousands of years?
@@gabrielford3473 How is the Elwah river a "smashing" success?? I think you got your resource from the youtube academy.. Your comments are not only vague but just plain silly.. What "renewable" food source are you talking about?? a Few thousand salmon?? Do you know how many people live off the salmon?? It's supplmental at best to a families diet.. I do not know of a single native american that lives in a traditional way of live.. Even in this video Troy crying got his over weight butt out of a Brand new Tax payer paid for 3/4 ton pickup to go look at fish on a bridge over the precious river.. Is he the one you are saying is going to his native american technology from a century ago cooking a fish head??
So no.. Tearing out the dams is going to viewed at BEST a social experiment. My guess it will eventually be viewed negatively and a dam of some source will be needed to be rebuilt so it will hold back water for hot and dry summer periods that the rivers dry up or get too hot for fish.. But companies like Pacificorp just don't want the fight anymore, will tear them out, and be able to say play the win/win card.. If the experiment is a success then everyone's happy.... If it's a disaster (which is what I predict) they will be able to say I was forced to do it and I told you so..
@@tomwillis9051 Well, I guess my career as an environmental (not environmentalist) educator will take a backseat to your "predictions. The fact that I don't deeply involve myself with your nonsense is no indication of me losing an argument. Your just too exhausting with tired, uninformed arguments and I'm more interested in debate with people who are POLITE AND CIVIL, dick
I think the dam removal is great, natural rivers is what we should strive for.
Why? What's so good about ecological disasters?
@@Sujad dams are disasters
I sure hope it helps the salmon, but I have a gut feeling the net beneficial impact will be marginal. Too many demands up stream, temperatures warming and an already decimated anadromous fish population. There is a cost in loosing a renewable energy source and summer long whitewater resource. Time will tell.
Im surprised. I would have thought they would generate enough power to be worth keeping. Maybe they need replacing anyway? Anyone know? Surely you could have a constant fish elevator.
@@jamesa1841 The dams only produce something like 1% of Pacificorp's electricity. They were coming up for re-licensing and due to current environmental regulations the company would have had to invest more money in improvements for fish passage than their share of the removal cost.
I have my doubts as well. This watershed is much different than the Elwha River in WA where removal sounds very successful in fish restoration. But the Klamath dams' electric generation was minimal- 1% of PacifiCorp's total. And the impacts on locals for whitewater or lake recreation are certainly big for the locals, but pretty small big picture.
Damn removal on the rogue river has made the salmon runs way worse. Plus no flood control.
@@brandonduarte6757 also there is not many places left like iron gate where you can camp and launch a boat for absolutely free. going to be sad to see the lake go pretty upset its still there and we cant use it . I was optimistic at first about the benefits for the river and ecology but cant help feeling like its just a huge experiment and the locals are the lab rats.
Damned if you do damned if you don't.
And at Glen Canyon too !
Great journalism. Blessing to search for information on a topic and get a wonderfully edited, well rounded, human narrated video that left me with a better feeling of understanding. Carry on by all means. I look forward to follow ups on the progress of the restoration efforts!
Why? What's so good about ecological disasters?
Worried about carbon footprint and green energy and tearing down the greenest power. Yes it will save some salmon but if you have a planet where green power is needed to save it salmon will not survive anyway.
The only thing thats going to change the salmon problem is stopping the off shore sea rapers from foreign countries
Also, let Natives start hunting sea lions.
Excellent!
Why? What's so good about ecological disasters?
Guess they are going to charge their growing populus of EV's with nothing but a growing smile and wishful thinking, hardy har!
Buy kayaks.
Anyone from New York living here in K Falls? Or anyone who have lived in New York City and moved to K Falls? I found a great house in Klamath Falls, but I'd like to meet people from back home.
Waterways belong to the public. They should benefit the public first, not private landowners.
Disaster! People had no idea this would be the outcome. Since removal of Dam suspended sediment in the water has brought the dissolved oxygen level down to zero twice since the dams were removed. Now, you see muck and mud, dead fish floating to the banks, crawdads, and we see animals trying to crawl out of the water to escape.
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This is the height of stupidity. Hydropower, flood control, recreation, and irrigation are more valuable than salmon.
The sediments and water are constantly being tested and, since the removal, the levels of heavy metals and toxins in the water and sediments are rapidly decreasing, as predicted by engineers prior to the dam removal.
The amount of electricity generated by the dams was not enough for the utility companies to profit from and the dams were already decommissioned as power generating facilities.
Every potential environmental and/or utility resource complaint by the naysayers has been disproven.
The only people losing here are real estate and travel agents, who should be- and are -at the bottom of our list of priorities here.
Fortunately, cheaper to tear down than to maintain.
Return of the salmon didn't work in CT (River).
❤ 11:16 I AM QUITE DISAPPOINTED ABOUT YOUR MISLEADING TITLE TO YOUR VIDEO TALKING ABOUT THE DAM REMOVAL WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING BUT.
I SEE A LOT OF VIDEOS CLAIMING TO SHOW THE TAKING OUT OF THE DAMN BUT NONE OF THEM SHOW ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT.
Real estate agent is funny. As if destroyed habitat is preferable bc of a few properties along the ruined habitat. Ultimate short term thinking. Narrow self-interest is what destroyed the habitat to begin with pal.
Huge win for the salmon bull trout and steelhead.
Who cares about the rafters. ..
Grow up.
Is this video arguing for the damn? Its another of those confusing neoliberal videos where they sound like they are trying to take the side of the normal people who care about these issues but just underneath it you can see that they talk about all the things the big money interests are concerned about. Showing where their real loyalty is to money and power not the people.
The native people lost a livelihood and food. Now the people who stole the land are complaining that their un-natural lake will go away.
well i really hope you can keep the river flowing were living in a drought and water is getting scarce , not trying to start anything but the people that live next to the lake are loosing business and a way to live plus they might loose the water in there wells if that happens you will see abandon buildings and houses , so lets go ahead to do this and we shall see what happens take care everybody
And now hundreds of thousands of fish have died off the entire reason why they removed the dam in the first place was to protect these species and they have unilaterally caused this mass die off due to the substantial changes they produced with this dam destruction
I’ll be glad to see the river begin again but really wish recreation on it, particularly noisy ones like rafting, would be restricted. Hiking trails and fly fishing both respect the river and its ecosystem but rafting is obnoxious and ruins the opportunity to be in nature and listen to it.
Same. I'm on a peaceful stretch of the river. And these obnoxious screaming rafters go by.
Make believe progress focused like a laser beam.
I know the intention behind dam removal is good, but oregon has been seeing increasingly dryer climate over the last few years. if those trends continue, we could be really kicking ourselves for not holding on to more water reserves.
I don't think the dams on the Klamath were designed to store drinking water. They were really shallow and filled with toxic blue-green algae. They didn't hold back a lot of water, they just provided a minimal amount of head pressure to generate a little power. Besides, there's no reason we couldn't pump right out of the river if we had to. We just got rid of three shallow, crappy algae filled warming tubs.
Thank god the removal project got approved. Can't wait to see the restoration of the ecosystem and its stability.
What about the ecological disaster this stupidity caused? Allah looks down at this and weeps.
And look what you brought us, hundreds of thousands of fish have died off mutilating the ecosystem directly correlated to this dams removal. You caused exactly what you tried to stop.
@@SujadAllah doesn’t sound very bright.
I find this despicable and pathetic. Dams are put into place for good reason.... study your NONpolitically correct history
Dams are old technology, just like the horse and buggy was replaced by the automobile. We have better forms of creating electricity than dams. Dams are old technology.
Man I am happy they are removing the dam.
Ask yourself who gets the lake property now that it's drained
These dams are old, if they fail the owner of the dams would be liable for reparations for all damages.
All these people crying about the dams and then they go water their lawns and wash their cars and use electricity and drive their cars…….
So, since you don't do everything right, you may as well do nothing right? That's what we call a logical fallacy and that's really gonna get us places.
They are all hippiecrites
@@brandonduarte6757 and yet still able to produce more intelligent discourse than yourself. Way to go with your super clever nickname.
When I went to Portland State, there was a Fed in my freshman writing class trying to convince us to commit crimes with fake explosives at these Dams.
COINTELPRO
Environmental win and jobs!!!🙏👏👏👏👏💞
Yay they removed the Damn!! And created a total disaster in doing so! That river is TOXIC Now!! Most locals won’t even touch it Great Job …. Not.
Why can't people like you understand that this is just a temporary condition? You don't think the river was all muddy when they were putting the dams in? It was way muddier than it is now! The mud and sediment will flow downstream to the ocean, and the river will be fine in no time. Try not to think in such a short-term manner.
Salmon in the river, you know what that means? It means waiting in line to fish, then standing shoulder to shoulder with thousands of people trampling everything down, throwing garbage everywhere, making more four wheeling ruts in the roads. People doing what people do, screwing everything up
This really needs to be happening a lot more within the entire western side of the U.S.
But you would be removing a source of green energy
@@matthewwelsh294 They are the farthest from "green". The ecological impacts have been horrendous to river systems of the west. Renewable, yes.
@@jimsomerville3924 and your "green" solution to provide energy?? And anything you say I will point out the negatives about !!
says someone who probably in on the East Coast getting energy from burning Coal ..
@@matthewwelsh294 dams are far from green
Say goodbye to the prime crappie fishing
I can’t muster any sympathy for the people who have profited from & enjoyed the destruction of such an important resource
But thanks for sharing the white man capitalist pig side of the story, it’s very important
I appreciate that too.
The salmon are so beat up by the time they get to Irongate Dam. I don't think they
Will be able to make it
Any further before they die. I think that this was Unnecessary!
And look what happened, hundreds of thousands of fish are dying off specifically due to this damns removal and the substantial changes to the ecosystems that they were not prepared for. All of these fishes deaths are directly correlated to that damn's removal. Full stop.
Great job removing the invasive species and planting the local flora; I feel bad for the locals but in my opinion the health of the biosphere is more important. I hope everyone wins in the end and people can adapt to the change.
Nope In fact hundreds of thousands of fish have died off due to this dams removal and the substantial and rapid change that it did to the ecosystems The salmon that they were trying to save are dying at a far more expedited rate than ever before in history.
Everyone has a agenda from the rafting guides who make a living to the fishermen the farmers etc.
I'm all for removing the dams but it makes me sick to some see some of the rafting guides act so damn holy about the restoration when it's their agenda to make revenue from what they do also.
But I'm sure their job is more important than anyone else's is and they are on the right side of god also..
Those river guides can just go to another river.