Yeah, this is a big missed opportunity on all of these damn dam removal videos that I have seen. No follow-up. Bereft of details. There's a dam in my area that there has been a removal battle for decades, but great videos showing success and what it looks like in other places would be so helpful.
i think it will be filmed & documented as to its progress, this seems to be the first of its kind on this size scale so it would be a total waste not to film & document this so future dam removal projects can benifit from it, hopefully this works as planned but im sure there will be a learning curve & a few bumps in the road. but like he stated theres alot of colaboration on this project which is vital to its success so i hope all that were opposed to this get over it because its happening its reality! i live in Nevada but i have good friends that live about 20 min from Copco Lake near Montague, every year we go to Gold Beach to fish the Rouge River for salmon now hopefully in the near future i can visit them & fish the Klamath👍
Shane Anderson is filming all of this beautifully! Most updated (weekly) way to keep track is on his Instagram account, although I'm on here (TH-cam) to see if there's a non-IG version.
Such a beautiful moment in time when the great state of California collaborates with the First Nation's tribal historical expertise. Having the First Nation's collaboration is vital & assures the transition to a sustainable ecosystem. Kudos!
Incredible project. Virtually everything you would want in a 2023 sustainability project! This is the kind of initiative and passion that makes me proud to be American. No one screws up like we do, but no one cares like we do!
The dams are coming down and the river will run free, but that is only one step. Now the streams must be restored and beavers must be restored to their natural habitats.
I spent 6 weeks. Every summer for 10 years starting at age 5, caught native rainbow trout daily morning & evening. I am 65 now..I went back when I was 23 the river was fished out. I never saw 1 indigenous person ever. U screwed the lake the dead deer in the mud is your tattoo, thanks
@@brentpage1402 I think you have it totally backwards. The dams killed the river and the fish. It wasn't "fished out."... When the fish all died, then the native people started to disappear. Their whole life is tied to the river and the fish! The natives worked to get the dams removed to save what fish were left. As the fish population starts returning, so will the native people. I am personally really excited to see things heal, and get back to a healthy place. 🐟🏞️🦫🪶
Once the dams are gone though you will be making a huge mistake if you try to control the routes of the water, nature will take over and you gotta let it. We've learned this lesson time and time again with water flow.
This is excellent, not just the dam removal, but the way this video presents not just the ecological value of restoration, but the spiritual value as well.
Excellent presentation. I have been excited about the Klamath River renewal since I first heard about it. Grateful for the Yurok, Hoopa, and other Native people that fought to remove these dams!!
After hearing rumors about removing Klamath River dams, it is so nice to see it happening! Thank you all. PS I agree, a monthly series would be great ❤
I'm inspired by these men and women who really CARE for the world in which we live. Deep respect. I hope the rest of the world wakes up before it is too late.
I cannot imagine the thrill of the people’s in the Klamath watershed as the dam removals and seed collection taking place. Congratulations for so many years of struggling that it has taken.
This is great! I hope they also remove the antiquated dam on the Trinity. 60 years ago I swam, fished, and lived on the Trinity River at my grandparents place near Willow Creek. I would so much love to see the Klamath and Trinity drainages restored for future generations to enjoy; repair the damage these unnecessary impediments have caused.
😊This is a beautifully done video- and so important for thousands of people and our Earth! Different groups and entities WORKING TOGETHER!! Fantastic ❤‼️
total cool for a way forward>>>>>>>Traditional Ecological Knowledge (TEC) integrated in with: Western Science, Citizen Science The Big 3. TEC is the Local Tribes to bring back their land MANAGEMENT for restoration in collaboration with Western Science and Citizen Science as a PARTNERSHIP/COOPERATION. WAY TO GO TRIBAL FOLKS DOING THIS GREAT PROJECT.
Grateful for the restoration. Sad that we caused it in the first place 😕 So much of what humanity has done is being “restored”, because we found out it was better before we messed with it!
How Human Nature Works Human nature is the desire to receive, also called “desire to enjoy,” and it functions by receiving what is beneficial to itself and rejecting what is harmful. Everything in our lives is built upon this calculation where we first try to distance ourselves from harm, and then seek how to draw ourselves closer to what is beneficial. Human nature also includes a multilayering of systems that work simultaneously on still, vegetative, animate and human levels. One of those systems is our bodily one, which operates involuntarily. If our bodies are healthy, then they know what is good for them and draw that goodness to themselves. After the bodily system, there is the emotional system, which also functions relatively according to instinct. From the emotional system, we move to the mind, and from the mind to the intellect, and so on. That is, we have systems over systems that concurrently work on receiving what is beneficial and rejecting what is harmful. Such is human nature and the essence of our lives. Our every desire, thought and action operates according to the calculation, “How can we receive what is most beneficial to us and reject what is harmful?”
... so you want to connect the Klamath River to Klamath Lake which is an 8 to 15 ft deep warm water lake full of algae sucker fish and Sturgeon ? And you're certain that this is a good idea ??
This is going to change so much of the ecosystem up and down that River for hundreds of miles. This could even cause a lot of damage. It will take decades and even a different generation to find out exactly what difference is going to be made by removing the dams. Let's all hope for the best
@WorldOfWonder66 The restoration has already begun. Though many changes will take more time. Other changes have already taken place. The banks of Iron gate res have newly planted seedlings sprouting. The water quality downstream in many places has begun to improve.
Nope. We don't need that kind of power anymore. Solar and wind have already replaced most hydropower. Especially small, low-head dams as you're suggesting.
I am Adopted onto a Hoopa family and I see the excitment of the nations along the Klamath for the dam removals but I dont see the nations returning to old ways and subsistence fishing on the river i see the indians allowed to harvest salmon in ways not allowed by anyone else and marketing them from icechests in the beds of pickups ,hope it all works out in the end
You are correct. It is not true that all "natives," are concerned about the environment, anymore than that all whites are out to destroy it. But stereotypes never die. His comment that they have been there since the beginning of time is not true, either.
The Klamath River is a sewer now! This killed everything in it. There won't be Fishing in that River for many decades. I really hope they really know what they doing. What a Mess!
At 3:28 they show a large dead salmon as an example of fish kill by algae bloom. That salmon has already been to sea. It came back to spawn and has probably done so somewhere in the river basin. Its death is what occures naturally. It is misrepresetation like this which makes people distrust.
If you did some reading you would know. The group you call small, is really quite large. Tens of thousands are in support of this project if not more. The dams were not for flood control. Reading would tell you that.
Instead of concrete dams - Decentralized water retention landscapes. We can have the power generation, water storage, and ecological health and habitat all at the same time it's a question of building in a natural way look into Sepp Holzer's work in Tamera, Portugal and read Victor Schauberger. Comprehend and Copy nature!!
I sort of agree. Keno and Link river dams aren't being removed in this project, but I think they should be. Keno dam backs up a huge, shallow slough that warms the river and harbours a lot of bass, bluegill and other introduced warm water species that will prey on any juvenile salmon that are trying to migrate downstream. I think they are leaving this dam in place because of all the irrigation ditches that come off of it. Link river dam just raised the level of Klamath Lake a few feet, and fish ladders should provide adequate fish passage. But Keno dam needs to go too!
Yes! Copco 1 and 2 blocked fish passage, as did Iron gate. The remaining dams have fish passage already in place. Removing the dams down stream will improve the water quality over time, restoring future fish runs.
As a Native, I’m wondering why are all the head biologist, engineers and program managers white? I get the feeling the local tribes are being used to help with the agenda of removing the dams. Not one mention of the invasive species that are killing over 90% of the fry before they even get to the ocean. This is not about saving the fish but that’s what they want everyone to think. These people will turn their back on the tribes the moment our purpose is served. I have questions about the “science” they claim is being used to restore the waterways.
The dam removal corporation hired the person who led the revegetation operation at the Elwha. I don’t know if there is anyone with more experience at that task.
@frozenjoe6313 Read! These lake were for hyrdo, nothing more. Not drinking, not irrigation, zero flood control. If you read about this project, you would know that.
@@johnkilty5091 Either california is in a drough or its not. Either way saving and retaing water is critical for the dry months. and hydroelectric. Dont be unwise.
The animals have access to water. They were a couple of deer that got stuck at Copco. Instead of letting them fight their way out on their own. "Deer are strong as hell" People got involved and they ended up shooting the deer. Isolated incident that got a lot of jaw time from the locals.
It is so great to see the native communities involved in these restoration projects, though, they should be allowed to sit back and have the colonizers do all the hard work under their guidance.
So, they wish to have the dams removed but are probably not prepared (yet) to renounce to their standard of living. Hydro production of power is the most ecological gesture you can do to mitigate climate warming. While I understand that there is more to dam removal than just enabling salmon to lay eggs higher up and the full ecosystem will benefit, what is the value of this if climate warming is increasing because e of this? I find this report somewhat partisan, if not naive but certainly presents facts in a truncated way.
@philippesails4973 These dams had lived out their life and were not worth the cost of the retrofit. The lakes had lost nearly half their capacity due to decomposed algae. Fished died by the thousands because the summer water temps got too high every year. The stench was awful. The color of the lake water was bright green. Photos of the water are easy to find.
There was a reason dams were there in the first place. To generate electricity and to store fresh water for human to consume as population in CA increase. Restoring nature is good, but it seems you only tell part of the store. What will happen ti population when these dams are gone. Is there desalination of seawater in place? What is the alternative for generating electricity? If you can answer these two question, you are likely to create another disaster in the name of restoring nature.
@technicon2361 You took the time to complain. You should take as much time to educate yourself. If you took ten minutes to read something. You would know. Both lakes were sick and were killing fish every year when the weather got hot. The dams had lived out their life and were not worth the cost of a retrofit. Pacific Corp did the math not me. Neither of these dams were for drinking water, irrigation of flood control. Only hydro. The power they produced was easily replaced with a 6 acre solar farm. Oregon has thousands.
Don't you worry none. There's plenty of forest to cut down to put in solar and wind farms to replace the power that was provided by the dams. I'm sure the couple thousand members of the tribe are more than willing to give up lots of forest land to accomplish this.
@@sw8741 once again another ignorant comment. Most dams are not used for electricity. They are for water retention. There’s also thousands of dams that are now considered useless or not needed. If we do not start to take care of our environment our planet will become a waste land. I know it’s difficult for you to understand. If you really give a shit support safe nuclear energy.
I’d probably be down to support you guys if you didn’t slice my tires because I’m “fishing on your land” but you guys keep doing stuff like that and no one will help you
Flood control will be lost, and irrigation water no longer stored. Those dams were built for a reason. Consequences to humans must also be considered. CA has a manmade water shortage and an unreliable power grid so why are they removing existing sources? If the dams and hydro plants need fixing, fix them. Removing them ignores human needs. The vast majority of the abundant CA water flows to the ocean instead of being stored for use in dry years. This water year we've had catastrophic flooding and over 8 years' worth of water supply has already gone to the ocean with 2-3 more months of snowmelt pending. Wasted water because we do not have enough large water storage that also acts as flood control, Why are they planning to send even MORE water to the ocean without storing it for use first? Taxpayers are actually funding this dam destruction with money from Prop 1, which was passed in 2014 by 68% of the voters - very bipartisan - by telling voters we would get MORE water storage. How does dam removal - which the regional population does not support - even qualify for funding?
Nah. Flooding problems started after all the beavers in this river system were exterminated in the 1820s. Bring the beavers back and the problem solves itself.
@@JD4SFdo you realize that major farming is not taking place in this area? It is high mountain desert. Only grass/hay production. Some alfalfa. Some cattle being raised. Also, there is no infrastructure. No mass irrigation system. Your comments are inaccurate.
@@jesse75 Smaller farms and ranches are still farming and ranching. Feed and cattle are critical Ag production. Maybe you aren't aware of how feed and beef prices skyrocketed? And now those farmers and ranchers will need to scale back or even sell out lacking a reliable water source. There was enough infrastructure to control the water to mitigate flooding and store water for Ag use. There is also habitat and some wetlands in the region that will no longer have reliable water for their needs. Going forward I suspect the lack of controlled water will result in flooding and worse impact during dry years ... which will not be advantageous to the humans and is likely to damage the environment. I fail to understand the logic or justification to remove dams that are so useful to control the water supply.
This should be a series.Would love to watch weekly updates.
omg yes please, I'd watch the heck out of this!
Yeah, this is a big missed opportunity on all of these damn dam removal videos that I have seen. No follow-up. Bereft of details. There's a dam in my area that there has been a removal battle for decades, but great videos showing success and what it looks like in other places would be so helpful.
i think it will be filmed & documented as to its progress, this seems to be the first of its kind on this size scale so it would be a total waste not to film & document this so future dam removal projects can benifit from it, hopefully this works as planned but im sure there will be a learning curve & a few bumps in the road. but like he stated theres alot of colaboration on this project which is vital to its success so i hope all that were opposed to this get over it because its happening its reality! i live in Nevada but i have good friends that live about 20 min from Copco Lake near Montague, every year we go to Gold Beach to fish the Rouge River for salmon now hopefully in the near future i can visit them & fish the Klamath👍
Shane Anderson is filming all of this beautifully! Most updated (weekly) way to keep track is on his Instagram account, although I'm on here (TH-cam) to see if there's a non-IG version.
I'm excited for the Klamath River ecosystem coming back just like the Elwha has
Such a beautiful moment in time when the great state of California collaborates with the First Nation's tribal historical expertise. Having the First Nation's collaboration is vital & assures the transition to a sustainable ecosystem. Kudos!
I'm proud and thankful of the tribe
Incredible project. Virtually everything you would want in a 2023 sustainability project! This is the kind of initiative and passion that makes me proud to be American. No one screws up like we do, but no one cares like we do!
The dams are coming down and the river will run free, but that is only one step. Now the streams must be restored and beavers must be restored to their natural habitats.
This exactly, bring them beavers back!
YAAAASSS!!!!!!! 🦫🦫🦫🦫🦫🦫!!!!!!
Beaver and salmon go together like salt and eggs!
I spent 6 weeks. Every summer for 10 years starting at age 5, caught native rainbow trout daily morning & evening. I am 65 now..I went back when I was 23 the river was fished out. I never saw 1 indigenous person ever. U screwed the lake the dead deer in the mud is your tattoo, thanks
@@brentpage1402 I think you have it totally backwards. The dams killed the river and the fish. It wasn't "fished out."... When the fish all died, then the native people started to disappear. Their whole life is tied to the river and the fish! The natives worked to get the dams removed to save what fish were left. As the fish population starts returning, so will the native people. I am personally really excited to see things heal, and get back to a healthy place. 🐟🏞️🦫🪶
This makes me proud to be a Californian
when the world feels like it is too much, i turn to nature restoration videos, great video!
Me too it gives me hope that everything will be fine
I'ma start doing this too! No idea why I've never thought of that before.
Ditto.
Once the dams are gone though you will be making a huge mistake if you try to control the routes of the water, nature will take over and you gotta let it. We've learned this lesson time and time again with water flow.
This is excellent, not just the dam removal, but the way this video presents not just the ecological value of restoration, but the spiritual value as well.
Excellent presentation. I have been excited about the Klamath River renewal since I first heard about it. Grateful for the Yurok, Hoopa, and other Native people that fought to remove these dams!!
After hearing rumors about removing Klamath River dams, it is so nice to see it happening! Thank you all. PS I agree, a monthly series would be great ❤
This is so exciting, not just for the tribe for all species that will once again thrive here.
I'm inspired by these men and women who really CARE for the world in which we live. Deep respect. I hope the rest of the world wakes up before it is too late.
Far better today, in USA at least, prior to 1970's when our industrial polluted rivers could catch on fire.
I cannot imagine the thrill of the people’s in the Klamath watershed as the dam removals and seed collection taking place. Congratulations for so many years of struggling that it has taken.
This is great! I hope they also remove the antiquated dam on the Trinity. 60 years ago I swam, fished, and lived on the Trinity River at my grandparents place near Willow Creek. I would so much love to see the Klamath and Trinity drainages restored for future generations to enjoy; repair the damage these unnecessary impediments have caused.
😊This is a beautifully done video- and so important for thousands of people and our Earth! Different groups and entities WORKING TOGETHER!! Fantastic ❤‼️
So excited to see this finally happening and look forward to updates as the project progresses.
Wishing you every success with this ambitious and valuable project. May it be followed by many more!
Hoping for the best for klamath river restoration project!
Me too. I like seeing efforts being made to fix some of the screw-ups humans made.
Great video and great initiative. Good luck!
Native seed farming is amazing. Shame most people don't appreciate nature.
removing the dams will breath life back into this great river, looking forward for this year
Excellent film! Thank you.
Bring the beavers!!!!
Great short doc guys!
I hope that your long term plans include reintroduction of Beavers.
total cool for a way forward>>>>>>>Traditional Ecological Knowledge (TEC) integrated in with: Western Science, Citizen Science The Big 3. TEC is the Local Tribes to bring back their land MANAGEMENT for restoration in collaboration with Western Science and Citizen Science as a PARTNERSHIP/COOPERATION. WAY TO GO TRIBAL FOLKS DOING THIS GREAT PROJECT.
Absolutely love this
Grateful for the restoration.
Sad that we caused it in the first place 😕
So much of what humanity has done is being “restored”, because we found out it was better before we messed with it!
So interesting... Life returning!
How Human Nature Works
Human nature is the desire to receive, also called “desire to enjoy,” and it functions by receiving what is beneficial to itself and rejecting what is harmful. Everything in our lives is built upon this calculation where we first try to distance ourselves from harm, and then seek how to draw ourselves closer to what is beneficial.
Human nature also includes a multilayering of systems that work simultaneously on still, vegetative, animate and human levels. One of those systems is our bodily one, which operates involuntarily. If our bodies are healthy, then they know what is good for them and draw that goodness to themselves. After the bodily system, there is the emotional system, which also functions relatively according to instinct. From the emotional system, we move to the mind, and from the mind to the intellect, and so on. That is, we have systems over systems that concurrently work on receiving what is beneficial and rejecting what is harmful.
Such is human nature and the essence of our lives. Our every desire, thought and action operates according to the calculation, “How can we receive what is most beneficial to us and reject what is harmful?”
How do we learn what is beneficial? By reflecting on past behavior, then evaluating the benefit.
would be awesome to see an update eventually!!
... so you want to connect the Klamath River to Klamath Lake which is an 8 to 15 ft deep warm water lake full of algae sucker fish and Sturgeon ?
And you're certain that this is a good idea ??
Klamath national wildlife refuge (NWR) need some of that water as well. give it some to save waterfowl and other creatures.
This is going to change so much of the ecosystem up and down that River for hundreds of miles. This could even cause a lot of damage. It will take decades and even a different generation to find out exactly what difference is going to be made by removing the dams. Let's all hope for the best
Not going to take that long.
@WorldOfWonder66 The restoration has already begun. Though many changes will take more time. Other changes have already taken place. The banks of Iron gate res have newly planted seedlings sprouting. The water quality downstream in many places has begun to improve.
@@johnkilty5091 I'm so glad to hear that. Thank you for the update
It's about dam time...
Lizzo reference noted!
Terrace the old resivour sides to slow erosion,
Plant in maze like pattern for the deer and other wild life to have safe spaces to nest
☝️💜💫
So cool
Lol, Klamath lake is 8’ deep. Hot as hell in the summer. U guys screwed us, Thanks
Is there a way to make a fourth the size dam to still make a little power
Nope. We don't need that kind of power anymore. Solar and wind have already replaced most hydropower. Especially small, low-head dams as you're suggesting.
All I can say is "Hell yeah!"
Hopefully they remove the dams on the Skagit River as well
Would be a good idea, but not likely.
I am Adopted onto a Hoopa family and I see the excitment of the nations along the Klamath for the dam removals but I dont see the nations returning to old ways and subsistence fishing on the river i see the indians allowed to harvest salmon in ways not allowed by anyone else and marketing them from icechests in the beds of pickups ,hope it all works out in the end
You are correct. It is not true that all "natives," are concerned about the environment, anymore than that all whites are out to destroy it. But stereotypes never die. His comment that they have been there since the beginning of time is not true, either.
Keep hatcheries off the river! Salmon/steelhead hatcheries are the death of wild fish, keep hatcheries away from quality spawn habitat!
and yet, they don't care about any resident that are retired in copco lake
What ? That they won't have lake front property ?
You all will be proud to know the dams are gone. One year after this video salmon have returned to the Klamath headwaters.
The Klamath River is a sewer now! This killed everything in it.
There won't be Fishing in that River for many decades.
I really hope they really know what they doing. What a Mess!
Here you are again
At 3:28 they show a large dead salmon as an example of fish kill by algae bloom. That salmon has already been to sea. It came back to spawn and has probably done so somewhere in the river basin. Its death is what occures naturally. It is misrepresetation like this which makes people distrust.
How do such small groups have the power to take out 4 dams created decades ago to improve flood control
No. THe dams were built for Electricity.
If you did some reading you would know. The group you call small, is really quite large. Tens of thousands are in support of this project if not more. The dams were not for flood control. Reading would tell you that.
The disappearance of high altitude snowcaps will dictate the end of such rivers.
You mean Climate Change right?
Electricity can be generated by the river without a damn...
Instead of concrete dams - Decentralized water retention landscapes. We can have the power generation, water storage, and ecological health and habitat all at the same time it's a question of building in a natural way look into Sepp Holzer's work in Tamera, Portugal and read Victor Schauberger. Comprehend and Copy nature!!
What about the tons of DDT YOU HAVE BEEN DUMPING FROM THE DAMS .THE MUD BEHIND ALL THESE DAMS
With only removing 4 of the 6 dams it seems like it won't really change conditions for fish. Am I wrong?
I sort of agree. Keno and Link river dams aren't being removed in this project, but I think they should be. Keno dam backs up a huge, shallow slough that warms the river and harbours a lot of bass, bluegill and other introduced warm water species that will prey on any juvenile salmon that are trying to migrate downstream. I think they are leaving this dam in place because of all the irrigation ditches that come off of it. Link river dam just raised the level of Klamath Lake a few feet, and fish ladders should provide adequate fish passage. But Keno dam needs to go too!
Yes! Copco 1 and 2 blocked fish passage, as did Iron gate. The remaining dams have fish passage already in place. Removing the dams down stream will improve the water quality over time, restoring future fish runs.
Res should be put out of business. I can’t believe Dam Removal is an actual thing people are happy about.
Why? The lakes were sick and the dams were worn out and not worth the cost of a retrofit. The power company did the math. Not me.
So people don't need electricity anymore. That's good news.
As a Native, I’m wondering why are all the head biologist, engineers and program managers white? I get the feeling the local tribes are being used to help with the agenda of removing the dams. Not one mention of the invasive species that are killing over 90% of the fry before they even get to the ocean. This is not about saving the fish but that’s what they want everyone to think. These people will turn their back on the tribes the moment our purpose is served. I have questions about the “science” they claim is being used to restore the waterways.
As a Native you should find out why. Do you know of native scientist who were not at the table?
The dam removal corporation hired the person who led the revegetation operation at the Elwha. I don’t know if there is anyone with more experience at that task.
Because natives don't know shit.
Terrible. We are in a bad drought the population and farmers cannot get the needed water. And you are destroying reservoirs. That is criminal.
@frozenjoe6313 Read! These lake were for hyrdo, nothing more. Not drinking, not irrigation, zero flood control. If you read about this project, you would know that.
@@johnkilty5091 Either california is in a drough or its not. Either way saving and retaing water is critical for the dry months. and hydroelectric. Dont be unwise.
It's sad, the animals can not get to the water without dying in the mud. They didn't think it through. Heart broken !
The animals have access to water. They were a couple of deer that got stuck at Copco. Instead of letting them fight their way out on their own. "Deer are strong as hell" People got involved and they ended up shooting the deer. Isolated incident that got a lot of jaw time from the locals.
It is so great to see the native communities involved in these restoration projects, though, they should be allowed to sit back and have the colonizers do all the hard work under their guidance.
Rod and Reel. Outlaw Netting.
So, they wish to have the dams removed but are probably not prepared (yet) to renounce to their standard of living.
Hydro production of power is the most ecological gesture you can do to mitigate climate warming.
While I understand that there is more to dam removal than just enabling salmon to lay eggs higher up and the full ecosystem will benefit, what is the value of this if climate warming is increasing because e of this?
I find this report somewhat partisan, if not naive but certainly presents facts in a truncated way.
@philippesails4973 These dams had lived out their life and were not worth the cost of the retrofit. The lakes had lost nearly half their capacity due to decomposed algae. Fished died by the thousands because the summer water temps got too high every year. The stench was awful. The color of the lake water was bright green. Photos of the water are easy to find.
This project makes me more upset than happy
Removing the dams will help but the greedy commercial fishermen in the ocean will just keep destroying them.
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There was a reason dams were there in the first place. To generate electricity and to store fresh water for human to consume as population in CA increase. Restoring nature is good, but it seems you only tell part of the store. What will happen ti population when these dams are gone. Is there desalination of seawater in place? What is the alternative for generating electricity?
If you can answer these two question, you are likely to create another disaster in the name of restoring nature.
This is a remote area. The river can't be classified like other rivers near urban areas.
@technicon2361 You took the time to complain. You should take as much time to educate yourself. If you took ten minutes to read something. You would know. Both lakes were sick and were killing fish every year when the weather got hot. The dams had lived out their life and were not worth the cost of a retrofit. Pacific Corp did the math not me. Neither of these dams were for drinking water, irrigation of flood control. Only hydro. The power they produced was easily replaced with a 6 acre solar farm. Oregon has thousands.
If you stop eating fish and over fishing we wouldn’t have a salmon problem in the Klamath
Troll!
So we need to have MORE re-newables....and you are destroying dams? For some fish? Hmmm......
That’s an ignorant comment. Fortunately the world doesn’t revolve around your opinions.
Don't you worry none. There's plenty of forest to cut down to put in solar and wind farms to replace the power that was provided by the dams. I'm sure the couple thousand members of the tribe are more than willing to give up lots of forest land to accomplish this.
What Drew said.
@@sw8741 once again another ignorant comment. Most dams are not used for electricity. They are for water retention. There’s also thousands of dams that are now considered useless or not needed. If we do not start to take care of our environment our planet will become a waste land. I know it’s difficult for you to understand. If you really give a shit support safe nuclear energy.
The dams had served out their life and were not worth the cost of a retrofit. Not for some fish. For all the fish.
Do white people get to net fish?
Those dams were built for a reason. The salmon population were never affected they will always be salmon in the Klamath river
Salmon need cold water. Water behind the dams heat up. Kill fish when released.
Nice try! You are full of it.
Nothing says "living" like when you net a fish, end it's life and it never gets to fulfill it's purpose.
I love people that invade another's land and try to tell them how to run business.
I hope these natural organic fish, don't mix with them GMO fish, that was set free into the river systems.
It’s not as hard as they make it out to be. Blow the dams and get nature do it’s thang
That's the worst possible way to do it.
I’d probably be down to support you guys if you didn’t slice my tires because I’m “fishing on your land” but you guys keep doing stuff like that and no one will help you
Flood control will be lost, and irrigation water no longer stored. Those dams were built for a reason. Consequences to humans must also be considered. CA has a manmade water shortage and an unreliable power grid so why are they removing existing sources? If the dams and hydro plants need fixing, fix them. Removing them ignores human needs.
The vast majority of the abundant CA water flows to the ocean instead of being stored for use in dry years. This water year we've had catastrophic flooding and over 8 years' worth of water supply has already gone to the ocean with 2-3 more months of snowmelt pending. Wasted water because we do not have enough large water storage that also acts as flood control, Why are they planning to send even MORE water to the ocean without storing it for use first?
Taxpayers are actually funding this dam destruction with money from Prop 1, which was passed in 2014 by 68% of the voters - very bipartisan - by telling voters we would get MORE water storage. How does dam removal - which the regional population does not support - even qualify for funding?
Nah. Flooding problems started after all the beavers in this river system were exterminated in the 1820s. Bring the beavers back and the problem solves itself.
@@BodhiPolitic Beavers won't be releasing irrigation water to farmers or to regional wetlands when it is needed. ;-)
You can say that about other rivers. But the Klamath is unique.
It can't be classified like other rivers.
@@JD4SFdo you realize that major farming is not taking place in this area? It is high mountain desert. Only grass/hay production. Some alfalfa. Some cattle being raised.
Also, there is no infrastructure. No mass irrigation system.
Your comments are inaccurate.
@@jesse75 Smaller farms and ranches are still farming and ranching. Feed and cattle are critical Ag production. Maybe you aren't aware of how feed and beef prices skyrocketed? And now those farmers and ranchers will need to scale back or even sell out lacking a reliable water source. There was enough infrastructure to control the water to mitigate flooding and store water for Ag use. There is also habitat and some wetlands in the region that will no longer have reliable water for their needs. Going forward I suspect the lack of controlled water will result in flooding and worse impact during dry years ... which will not be advantageous to the humans and is likely to damage the environment. I fail to understand the logic or justification to remove dams that are so useful to control the water supply.
Hes a fish people. In his store bought clothes.
What kind of clothes do you wear? Regardless, I think I know what kind of "person" you are.
Then make the nets like your ancestors.
Be nice. This comment has nothing to do with the video and you know it.
Why don't you live like your ancestors, back where they originally come from?