Hey Team, Hope you enjoy the video… not going to lie I was gutted at the end! We have needed a new “XXXX” for a while. See what we can do 🤷♂️ Was a bit gutted about the audio as well but I’m working on it with someone, this should be my last video with issues 🤞 Thanks as always for watching 😊🐄🙌
If you could repair it and it works good go for it but if you can't get it repaired sufficiently sell it to somebody who can fix it or who will scrap it
Tom your old grab is a Redrock buy another Redrock or if you want a better one buy a Newrock designed by the same guy in his current company Sammy Hughes
If it's cheap, no matter where its advertised, you have to know that it's going to require work/money. It's not a fail really, you just have to fix some things and modify to your own specifications. It's alright Ton, it's not a huge loss
If they still make them they might help you out with a new front section if you contact them? They may have even beefed up the design since then. The rest of it looks pretty strong
contact seller and see if you can get some money back and then weld. I don't think it's that bad. plus a new one is 4k so a little bit of work and your one may not be even over the 1k mark which is a good deal in the end.
I bought a classic car on eBay. I asked all the right questions and had it professionally appraised before purchase. The appraiser was an idiot and the seller lied in answer to every question I asked and vanished after the sale. After the added expensive of shipping, I now own a very expensive car shaped object that is taking up space in my garage. Hard lesson learned.
Scrap it learn from the mistake buy a new one . Its false economy to keep buying second hand. Its not as if you won't get the use out of it. Great content as usual Tom 👏
personally I would have gotten ahold of the seller and asked for a bit back. they knew what they were selling. unless the listing was sold as is. But as you both said live and learn. It just sucks that farm equipment is so expensive.
Hi Tom, You wouldn't believe it by I actually used to own that shear grab. I also bought it as what I thought would be a bargain, we then traded it in for a smaller one this year. Didn't realise it was going to become famous.
@@TomPembertonFarmLife Nope I'm innocent on that one. I was going to cut the cutting face out and replace it with a new one but never got round to it. I presume it was bent when people didn't cut fully through the siledge as it was pulled outwards. We only used it for a year as we got fed up with it doing a poor job. Sorry to hear you've ended up with it.
I love how, no matter what, your dad seems pretty easy and care free. Just tells you its a "learning experience" and that's it. He's obviously seen it all and made the odd mistake himself so knows what it's like. He seems like such an amazing guy and a great dad.
Ebay is very buyer friendly and protects you if you have been sold something that was not as described so I would definitely contact the seller and come to a compromise with the repair bill once done that leaves you with a working unit just my 10 pence worth Great video as always
It is a waste of money trying to repair these. They never worked and Strimech never managed to get them to work and allegedly gave up trying to modify them. These were early build models made about 12 or 13 years ago.
@@barbarakinsey2789 He can't return it now, he cut a big piece off of the side of it. It should have been tested before being welded/cut etc.. worth a try but think the seller would have a good case for telling him to bugger off sadly
EBay is awful and not buyer friendly. I had something delivered 10 days late (after the point I needed it). No recourse. Spent ages on the phone to them. They even suggested I leave positive feedback. Seller wasn’t helpful either. Just buy a new one Tom. With the weighted roller the grab need to be good.
New machinary pay for themselves all day long. My father always bought things brand new and the majority of them are still going strong. Dad is no longer with us but the quality, well maintained machinary will be here for years to come to enjoy. Sell all that scrap and get a new Johnston shear grab. I'm sure they'd be interested in some advertising for a good price on one! Good luck!
The good old saying of "Buy cheap, buy twice" spend the money the first time and save fixing a cheap purchase, should just have spent the extra and got a new/newer one and actually get a look at it before buying lol silly tom haha
It depends on how long you have to get by until the new new one shows up. The other nice part about fixing it is you can charge more and sell it faster if you fix it. See what Waring's will charge to re-front it and go from there.
Tom, only buy a shear grab that that you can send back to the manufacturer to get refurbed when needed. You probably use this implement 365 days a year. I would buy a new Johnston shear grab. Leaves an immaculate finish on pit silage. There are also extras available to allow grab to fill meal into diet feeder.
Look at mc milking. He has a tanco.... Big blocks being cut out. Its a different open close system. The rams are vertical, which means constant pressure. The 'normal sheer grabs are weak at the top when closing because of there design. You shouldn't be trying to cut block out block that are taller than shear crab is when it's closed.
Oh my...that may be the most angry I have heard Tom. It was great to hear the Ginger Warrior try to make it save-able. Always great to learn from your content.
TBYB. Good idea. I think it’s fixable. The frames good. Remove the front plate and weld in a new one with better braces. Since it’s already been deformed, I think it’s better to start with a new piece. Warding could easily do that
You have to get the curve right or you will put tremendous pressure on the frame and Rams not just that easy to do. A whole new shear frame is probably the most effective solution.u
Definitely cut the bad plate out and replace it, along with better designed bracing. If the required radius can be found and Wareings have a press brake, you can put lots of small incremental folds on the plate to create a curve.
As an Ag Engineer, my advice (if you want it), is part-ex your current three against a new one of the size and spec you want. Yes, it is repairable, but do you really want to live withthe worry that you will end up messing around with it on Sunday afternoon during the winter. The one thing I have learnt over the years is that most things are second-hand for a reason!
@@TomPembertonFarmLife Yes it hurts. But £750+ for that into the yard. Repairs likely to cost another £5-600 and still not right. That's nearly 30% of a new shear grab already with warranty as well. Add in time lost and the hassle. Only problem with a new shear grab is that it will age the manitou even more.
I would send it for welding and add a third ram at the same time. The frame is deflecting under load if you add a third ram this will reduce the bending moments on the center of the cutter bar and reduce the tensile forces on the welds which attach the stiffeners.
You should price up a complete new front end, they're in walsall west midland , give them some free advertising and you may get a discount lol. it'll be like new then. Don't try repair, its lost its strength now its bent
Scrap The 3 Grabs and Get Another That You and Your Dad Can Go Look At It Its NOT EBAYS Fault It Is The Guy That Put It On eBay. Don't Repair It Because You Will Always Have Doubts About It.
Great video Tom I know about money and all that but if you work out all the money spent on oil repair’s and second hand grabs and plus it’s a important piece of kit for the farm for feeding surly it makes sense to buy a decent new one even though it’s expensive but the lack of break downs and running costs you would benefit from new for this piece of equipment and at the end of the day someone has had there money worth out of it and plus you will keep throwing money at it were do you stop. Keep up the great videos 👏👏👍👍
🤦🏽♂️ I wish you would use the right tools for the job. A set of pliers is not the correct tool to properly tighten a swivel nut. ANY nut for that fact lol. My advice is ditch the older stuff and buy new! Always move forward. Thanks for the video Tom.
Evening Tom. If your using the grab every day be worth an investment in new perhaps but if not could you just purchase a new front piece for the grab from Strimech? Always enjoyable videos. Cheers
Love how the ginger guy is always trying to find a good fix and even when it might not work he’s still positive. Something I’m sure he passed on to you. Have a great week be well be you
Tbh for £800 odd pound there was always something that would need doing but if it’s fixable within a certain budget then it should be fine .. problem is then will you have the confidence in it working for you every day Tom..👍
You should’ve just bought a new one Tom you’re buying everything else now but you buy a second and share grab As a ginger man says I’ll tell you what it needs it needs scraping
Yep, especially with dry silage. Dry silage and blunt blades you are going to do a pipe or a seal or a weld sooner or later. It makes a much cleaner cut with sharp blades too. The machine straining is a sign to me it is time to sharpen the blades.
Buy a new one I think. All well and good buying second hand gear for occasional use, but daily? I wouldn’t be confident that bits of metal wouldn’t break off into the silage, and along with the oil leaks, that’s no good for the cows, they deserve much better 😁
At least in the US there are discount hydraulic places where you can order new cylinders online for less cost than rebuilding the old ones (if you include labo(u)r rates). Don't know the UK names, but I bet they exist. Same for hoses, they're a fraction of the cost of other sources. Especially with the pitting on your older grab's cylinders, not worth trying to fix vs replace. I think when buying used equipment, you should always expect to have to fix it up a bit, so don't be too annoyed about it! ;)
Take it to wearings, get them to cut off that front part, weld on new steel, thicker and add bracing supports, that way it will have a nice clean face. replace the seals/service the rams tighted those pipes, lick of paint and boom you have a beast of a grab :) your welcome 🤗
Sell, sell, sell. Pre loved kit is all very well and can appear to be a bargain or at least good value but your quality of feeding ability is almost as important as getting the quality of silage in the first place. Make an investment in new and you’ll be assured it hasn’t been abused and won’t let you down. Plus you’ve got a warranty in case of any teething troubles. Bon chance
You can’t polish a turd.!!!!! Get rid of the crap and get a new one. Struggle to see why you bother with crap when you use it every day. New with warranty.
Sell the three old and get a deal for a new one, I’m sure there are manufacturers that would enjoy the great pr for their product. Never good to have that oil getting into livestock,feedstuffs,slurry
Just sell all 3 and get a new redrock and never buy of ebay peaple sell on there for one reason. I will never use ebay its eather Chinese or nackerd. I've had our redrock 7 year and been ace 👍👍👍👍👍
Great video.... nice and honest as always but Should have used the money to recondition the old one or at least priced recondition vs a new one?? Maybe ask the slurry people to help you out rather than the shed people??
Warm the seized bolts up with the gas bottles on the Redrock, or weld some bolts onto the bolts to get them out , fit new teeth on, reseal the rams, new hoses and it should be like new!!!!
100% redrock are better grabs, we bought one new 20 odd years ago and it's ace and still used every day now! Blades need to be super sharp and close to the tines or your new one.
We used to have one of them shear grabs bought it brand new and had to have 2 new fronts on it because they both bowed like yours has done so had to buy a different make in the end
Tom.. your dad is 100% right.. he has a wealth of knowledge and you will have 100% of knowledge over time You will live and learn over time.. luv your vlogs.. keep it up 😁👍
Hi Tom, I understand your frustration. But listen to your dad, the engineers at Wareing's should be able to fix that no problem. The bucket can be strengthened by welding T shaped or angled brackets. The rams can be easily fixed too. Check the T&C agreement you had with the eBay seller you may be request a refund.
Since the manufacturers couldn’t make these work, even after having them back to be modified, it is probably beyond most engineer’s ability to economically get these to work reliably either to cut the silage face tidily or to avoid repeatedly breaking tines.
@@archiecairns2731 This isn’t a commercial vehicle and this model never worked from the factory and never could be made to work without very extensive re-engineering to bring the blade substantially rearwards to the top of the tines. The manufacturers couldn’t do it when several were returned to them as being faulty soon after being put to use from new. Nothing is ultimately impossible of course, given the time, cost, materials and engineering skill. I do hope that you get the chance to make this right as it would indeed be a feather in your cap. A challenge you might find worthwhile. One that the owners [the Pembertons] might relish if given a fixed price for the job with a no quibble warranty that it would subsequently cut cleanly and not break tines. Best of luck.
@@hedydd2 Huw, I am well aware that this sheer grab is not a commercial vehicle. But large tipper trucks do have a metal skin that cracks open when large rocks and concrete are dropped in the bucket on a daily bases. Rams leak when the hinges on the tippers wear out over time and hydraulic pipes break these can easily be refurbished. The metal tines can be strengthened and tempered in a blacksmith forge No matter what you believe. Engineers and Blacksmiths at Wareing's would be able to assess the damage and cost out the repairs. Whether or not it is economically viable in the end that's down to Tom. It may well be that the Manufacturers couldn't fix it but that doesn't mean the sheer grab can't be fixed. You should see what the Ukrainians are doing to repurpose old and damaged weapon systems. If there is a will there is a way. I bet you Adrian over in Cavan ( I Farm We Farm) could fix this. You have a nice day now.
@@archiecairns2731 While this is not made of Hardox steel, the cracked bowed back is the least of its problems. The tines are Kverneland Swedish steel though and break due to the inefficiency of the blades which also manifest as the inability to cut smoothly, leaving a ragged loose surface to the clamp which encourages wasteful secondary fermentation. As I said, throw enough time, money, metal and expertise at anything, and it can be made to work. These things are not economically viable to even start playing with on the off-chance that it could eventually be made to work at a cost. However it would make a fun series of videos to watch someone attempt it and get a nice smooth sealed clamp face without breaking more than what I would consider an acceptable tine breakage rate of about a tine every 2000 tons cut and loaded.
The only way you’ll fix the bent section is to replace it, once the metal is stretched and fatigued it wants cut out and replaced. I wouldn’t think it would cost that much tbh
Don’t waste your time lads. We had a grab that went out of shape, and one of the best steel fabricators in my area jigged it and welded it.. but unfortunately it never cut correctly afterwards. We ended up buying a new grab and never looked back.
Tom if you can justify it, sell 3 and buy 1. I'm sure it's used most days for 6/7 months of the year. It'll benefit your silo face no end and will be much easier on the manitou cutting out blocks.
You could make your old ones into double bale spikes. We did it with our old shear grab and it’s revolutionary for us being able to pick up two round bales or square bales easily. Simply cut off the grab part and remove a few tines. May be a way of still getting some use from either of your old ones 👍 (our grab was crushed by a silage collapse)
Ebay can be great like my mate who just bought a silage grab that was listed as spare parts but it's worked fine apart from a slight oil leak but it can also be a pain
You shouldn't blame yourself for something like that. At the end of the day you were trying to make life easier and it just didn't work out. Here's to hoping it's a cheap and easy fix, but with the amount of rust on the grab, I highly doubt it will be easy.
I know nothing, but that front plate looks flimsy to start off with. Could Warings make something up out of thicker metal with stronger braces? Or is it not worth the costs for that. Selling all three grabs and buying a new one looks increasingly a better idea
Not that I know anything but if something’s in very bad condition I’d buy a new one. You just don’t know when it’s going to break again, especially just when you’re busy. Always get the best tools you can afford for the job. By the way Tom, you have a very kind and understanding father. A real gem.
"Live and learn". Exactly what my parents said over the years. Sorry the purchase turned out badly, but better luck on the next one. Thanks for another interesting video.
Sorry for the bad luck there Tom. I believe that you could file a claim on EBAY if the description didn't include repair work and see if you can get a portion of your money back.
Your father was right about leaving it to Andrew Wareing to build a new frontplate in Hardox in correct dimension and professionally weld it together. It will always be wort it and also a good video, Tom! ;D Ps. Your sound wasn't so extremely good in the end either. Hope your audio helper is a professional to pick together that gear also. I'm sorry but glad for your tries, Thomas.
Buy cheap, buy twice! Learned that myself the hard way 😆 but yeah since you’re using it everyday, I’d say it’s worth investing in a new quality grab…as long as you can afford it of course
Hey Team,
Hope you enjoy the video… not going to lie I was gutted at the end! We have needed a new “XXXX” for a while. See what we can do 🤷♂️
Was a bit gutted about the audio as well but I’m working on it with someone, this should be my last video with issues 🤞
Thanks as always for watching 😊🐄🙌
If you could repair it and it works good go for it but if you can't get it repaired sufficiently sell it to somebody who can fix it or who will scrap it
Tom your old grab is a Redrock buy another Redrock or if you want a better one buy a Newrock designed by the same guy in his current company Sammy Hughes
Don't worry about your vid quality when all we want is you to have good kit. Good kit means good vids 👍
Gotta go as its a must on the farm and can't risk it failing when the girls are in. If only a company watching wanted exposure......
Don’t bunk shavers work best? The uk must have a similar product
Sell 3 old, but a new one. You use it everyday! Also oilleaks are better to avoid for food and animal health care
Hydraulic oil is no good for man nor beast. Hopefully it isn't too nasty. 🤞🏻
buy a new one.. life's too short lol
welded a bucket edge across the back of the front it nt go out then as we got that done with a 200 redrock grab and that was rd 6/7years ago
If it's cheap, no matter where its advertised, you have to know that it's going to require work/money. It's not a fail really, you just have to fix some things and modify to your own specifications. It's alright Ton, it's not a huge loss
Love Father, Living and Learning" awesome motto
Good vid tom
If they still make them they might help you out with a new front section if you contact them? They may have even beefed up the design since then. The rest of it looks pretty strong
Much better audio . Was it the line and mic settings ?
HI Tom buy a (JOHNSTON BROTHERS ) shergrab will last for years
Sell 3, buy one good, the money you’ll save in silage waste from having a tidy clamp face will pay for the new one alone
contact seller and see if you can get some money back and then weld. I don't think it's that bad. plus a new one is 4k so a little bit of work and your one may not be even over the 1k mark which is a good deal in the end.
Weigh them old shear grabs in for scrap and get a Quicke mate 😂
I bought a classic car on eBay. I asked all the right questions and had it professionally appraised before purchase. The appraiser was an idiot and the seller lied in answer to every question I asked and vanished after the sale. After the added expensive of shipping, I now own a very expensive car shaped object that is taking up space in my garage. Hard lesson learned.
Scrap it learn from the mistake buy a new one . Its false economy to keep buying second hand. Its not as if you won't get the use out of it. Great content as usual Tom 👏
Was thinking the same
For something they use pretty much all year round - totally agree. Plus they'd get a decent warranty if anything does break on it.
personally I would have gotten ahold of the seller and asked for a bit back. they knew what they were selling. unless the listing was sold as is. But as you both said live and learn. It just sucks that farm equipment is so expensive.
Hi Tom,
You wouldn't believe it by I actually used to own that shear grab. I also bought it as what I thought would be a bargain, we then traded it in for a smaller one this year. Didn't realise it was going to become famous.
were you the one that bent the S**T out of it pushing in posts?? LOL
@@garethbryson going from the fact that he said he bought it thinking it was a bargain no a don’t think he did bend the shit out of it
No way Rob! That’s very cool!
Do you know why it has the bend in the middle? Did you use it a lot?
@@TomPembertonFarmLife Nope I'm innocent on that one. I was going to cut the cutting face out and replace it with a new one but never got round to it. I presume it was bent when people didn't cut fully through the siledge as it was pulled outwards. We only used it for a year as we got fed up with it doing a poor job. Sorry to hear you've ended up with it.
@@TomPembertonFarmLife wearings would do a better than new job on that shear grab, get them to do it and it will last you years
Best bet sell all 3 and get a new one and spec it up to what you want
Unless you’re buying from someone you trust 100% an implement that you use everyday should always be inspected before purchasing.
I love how, no matter what, your dad seems pretty easy and care free. Just tells you its a "learning experience" and that's it. He's obviously seen it all and made the odd mistake himself so knows what it's like. He seems like such an amazing guy and a great dad.
Ebay is very buyer friendly and protects you if you have been sold something that was not as described so I would definitely contact the seller and come to a compromise with the repair bill once done that leaves you with a working unit just my 10 pence worth
Great video as always
It is a waste of money trying to repair these. They never worked and Strimech never managed to get them to work and allegedly gave up trying to modify them. These were early build models made about 12 or 13 years ago.
Yes contact the seller and talk about returning it. IIt definitely wasn't as listed (POS)
@@barbarakinsey2789 He can't return it now, he cut a big piece off of the side of it. It should have been tested before being welded/cut etc.. worth a try but think the seller would have a good case for telling him to bugger off sadly
EBay is awful and not buyer friendly. I had something delivered 10 days late (after the point I needed it). No recourse. Spent ages on the phone to them. They even suggested I leave positive feedback. Seller wasn’t helpful either.
Just buy a new one Tom. With the weighted roller the grab need to be good.
Send all of them to a machinery auction and just buy a new one!
You can tell how annoyed Tom is by him using bleeps for naughty words instead of moos. Trust the ginger Tom. Trust the ginger.
Plenty of grease I never thought of that do you have to grease it less then
If you want we can plasma new strengthning plates like ya dad said and at least fix it so it’s sellable?
New machinary pay for themselves all day long. My father always bought things brand new and the majority of them are still going strong. Dad is no longer with us but the quality, well maintained machinary will be here for years to come to enjoy. Sell all that scrap and get a new Johnston shear grab. I'm sure they'd be interested in some advertising for a good price on one! Good luck!
The good old saying of "Buy cheap, buy twice" spend the money the first time and save fixing a cheap purchase, should just have spent the extra and got a new/newer one and actually get a look at it before buying lol silly tom haha
It depends on how long you have to get by until the new new one shows up. The other nice part about fixing it is you can charge more and sell it faster if you fix it. See what Waring's will charge to re-front it and go from there.
Tom, only buy a shear grab that that you can send back to the manufacturer to get refurbed when needed. You probably use this implement 365 days a year. I would buy a new Johnston shear grab. Leaves an immaculate finish on pit silage. There are also extras available to allow grab to fill meal into diet feeder.
Look at mc milking. He has a tanco.... Big blocks being cut out. Its a different open close system. The rams are vertical, which means constant pressure. The 'normal sheer grabs are weak at the top when closing because of there design. You shouldn't be trying to cut block out block that are taller than shear crab is when it's closed.
johnstone are desperate light
@@Tj-mo9pu no need for a big heavy thing
Oh my...that may be the most angry I have heard Tom. It was great to hear the Ginger Warrior try to make it save-able. Always great to learn from your content.
TBYB. Good idea. I think it’s fixable. The frames good. Remove the front plate and weld in a new one with better braces. Since it’s already been deformed, I think it’s better to start with a new piece. Warding could easily do that
Exactly what i was thinking. Must be a fairly quick job for them to cut the plate out and make a new stronger one.
@@linuskallin448 Wareings has a laser cutter. It’d take next to no time to cut a new face. Then drill and tap for teeth
You have to get the curve right or you will put tremendous pressure on the frame and Rams not just that easy to do. A whole new shear frame is probably the most effective solution.u
@@nsgkuaov A boiler shop or shipyard would be able to supply a curved plate and the rest is cutting and fitting
Definitely cut the bad plate out and replace it, along with better designed bracing. If the required radius can be found and Wareings have a press brake, you can put lots of small incremental folds on the plate to create a curve.
Repair, if you think you can really stop the fluid leaks. I do like your dad's ideas about this. Especially about turning the welding over to Wering.
As an Ag Engineer, my advice (if you want it), is part-ex your current three against a new one of the size and spec you want. Yes, it is repairable, but do you really want to live withthe worry that you will end up messing around with it on Sunday afternoon during the winter. The one thing I have learnt over the years is that most things are second-hand for a reason!
Yo ur not wrong! 4K plus for a new one hurts though 🤦♂️
@@TomPembertonFarmLife How many times do you use it every day, and how long is the life of a new one.
@@TomPembertonFarmLife Yes it hurts. But £750+ for that into the yard. Repairs likely to cost another £5-600 and still not right. That's nearly 30% of a new shear grab already with warranty as well. Add in time lost and the hassle. Only problem with a new shear grab is that it will age the manitou even more.
I would send it for welding and add a third ram at the same time. The frame is deflecting under load if you add a third ram this will reduce the bending moments on the center of the cutter bar and reduce the tensile forces on the welds which attach the stiffeners.
Tom, you use it everyday to feed. Sell all three and buy a new one that will last you for many years into the future!
You should price up a complete new front end, they're in walsall west midland , give them some free advertising and you may get a discount lol. it'll be like new then. Don't try repair, its lost its strength now its bent
Sell them both and buy a new one. Shear grab needs to work every time you need it. Not welding it every 5 minutes
Scrap The 3 Grabs and Get Another That You and Your Dad Can Go Look At It Its NOT EBAYS Fault It Is The Guy That Put It On eBay. Don't Repair It Because You Will Always Have Doubts About It.
Tom, You Have A Lot Of Followers And Subscribers Why THE HELL Didn't you Put It Out There That You Are Looking For A Used Grab
Great video Tom I know about money and all that but if you work out all the money spent on oil repair’s and second hand grabs and plus it’s a important piece of kit for the farm for feeding surly it makes sense to buy a decent new one even though it’s expensive but the lack of break downs and running costs you would benefit from new for this piece of equipment and at the end of the day someone has had there money worth out of it and plus you will keep throwing money at it were do you stop. Keep up the great videos 👏👏👍👍
🤦🏽♂️ I wish you would use the right tools for the job. A set of pliers is not the correct tool to properly tighten a swivel nut. ANY nut for that fact lol. My advice is ditch the older stuff and buy new! Always move forward. Thanks for the video Tom.
Evening Tom. If your using the grab every day be worth an investment in new perhaps but if not could you just purchase a new front piece for the grab from Strimech?
Always enjoyable videos. Cheers
Love how the ginger guy is always trying to find a good fix and even when it might not work he’s still positive. Something I’m sure he passed on to you. Have a great week be well be you
I thought your Dad was very positive and was very supportive .
Tbh for £800 odd pound there was always something that would need doing but if it’s fixable within a certain budget then it should be fine .. problem is then will you have the confidence in it working for you every day Tom..👍
You should’ve just bought a new one Tom you’re buying everything else now but you buy a second and share grab
As a ginger man says I’ll tell you what it needs it needs scraping
Looks like it could do with a good sharpen before starting won't cut clean and to much pressure on it if blunt do ours every week
Yep, especially with dry silage. Dry silage and blunt blades you are going to do a pipe or a seal or a weld sooner or later. It makes a much cleaner cut with sharp blades too. The machine straining is a sign to me it is time to sharpen the blades.
Buy a new one I think. All well and good buying second hand gear for occasional use, but daily? I wouldn’t be confident that bits of metal wouldn’t break off into the silage, and along with the oil leaks, that’s no good for the cows, they deserve much better 😁
At least in the US there are discount hydraulic places where you can order new cylinders online for less cost than rebuilding the old ones (if you include labo(u)r rates). Don't know the UK names, but I bet they exist. Same for hoses, they're a fraction of the cost of other sources. Especially with the pitting on your older grab's cylinders, not worth trying to fix vs replace.
I think when buying used equipment, you should always expect to have to fix it up a bit, so don't be too annoyed about it! ;)
Take it to wearings, get them to cut off that front part, weld on new steel, thicker and add bracing supports, that way it will have a nice clean face. replace the seals/service the rams tighted those pipes, lick of paint and boom you have a beast of a grab :) your welcome 🤗
Sell, sell, sell. Pre loved kit is all very well and can appear to be a bargain or at least good value but your quality of feeding ability is almost as important as getting the quality of silage in the first place. Make an investment in new and you’ll be assured it hasn’t been abused and won’t let you down. Plus you’ve got a warranty in case of any teething troubles. Bon chance
Buy a new one Tom. You use this everyday! It hurts at the time but it’s the old saying, “buy once, cry once”. 👍
You can’t polish a turd.!!!!! Get rid of the crap and get a new one. Struggle to see why you bother with crap when you use it every day. New with warranty.
Hi Tom,
Can you take both the implements and Trade them in for something else? Have a Great Day and tell your dad Hi 👋!
Sell the three old and get a deal for a new one, I’m sure there are manufacturers that would enjoy the great pr for their product.
Never good to have that oil getting into livestock,feedstuffs,slurry
get a new, solid one and avoid a lot of anger
Tis the scrap man calling, Tom, we need it more than you do.
Just sell all 3 and get a new redrock and never buy of ebay peaple sell on there for one reason. I will never use ebay its eather Chinese or nackerd. I've had our redrock 7 year and been ace 👍👍👍👍👍
All the money u r making and u would not spend the money on something u use nearly every day 🤔🤔🤔. A penny wise pound foolish
Great video.... nice and honest as always but Should have used the money to recondition the old one or at least priced recondition vs a new one?? Maybe ask the slurry people to help you out rather than the shed people??
If a deal is too good to be true there's usually something wrong with it. You live and learn lad, ouch.
Sell 3 & Buy new and buy a maker we’ll know,
a redrock be hard to beat 💪💪
🤙🤙👍👍
Warm the seized bolts up with the gas bottles on the Redrock, or weld some bolts onto the bolts to get them out , fit new teeth on, reseal the rams, new hoses and it should be like new!!!!
100% redrock are better grabs, we bought one new 20 odd years ago and it's ace and still used every day now! Blades need to be super sharp and close to the tines or your new one.
Come onnnnn
Fitting a hydraulic hose with a pliers, I knew it would end bad
We used to have one of them shear grabs bought it brand new and had to have 2 new fronts on it because they both bowed like yours has done so had to buy a different make in the end
At some point in time buying new makes sense as new has all the updates and new engineering, thats my thought.
Get it down to Wareing, get them to sort it out for you. Those lads will over engineer it so you will never need to buy another!
Tom.. your dad is 100% right.. he has a wealth of knowledge and you will have 100% of knowledge over time
You will live and learn over time.. luv your vlogs.. keep it up 😁👍
Get a new one, maybe get a deal with a maker of them to show it off on the channel and get a chunky discount :)
Hi Tom, I understand your frustration. But listen to your dad, the engineers at Wareing's should be able to fix that no problem. The bucket can be strengthened by welding T shaped or angled brackets. The rams can be easily fixed too. Check the T&C agreement you had with the eBay seller you may be request a refund.
Since the manufacturers couldn’t make these work, even after having them back to be modified, it is probably beyond most engineer’s ability to economically get these to work reliably either to cut the silage face tidily or to avoid repeatedly breaking tines.
@@hedydd2 You're entitled to your opinion but I beg to disagree. I've carried out similar repairs to commercial vehicles.
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This isn’t a commercial vehicle and this model never worked from the factory and never could be made to work without very extensive re-engineering to bring the blade substantially rearwards to the top of the tines. The manufacturers couldn’t do it when several were returned to them as being faulty soon after being put to use from new. Nothing is ultimately impossible of course, given the time, cost, materials and engineering skill. I do hope that you get the chance to make this right as it would indeed be a feather in your cap. A challenge you might find worthwhile. One that the owners [the Pembertons] might relish if given a fixed price for the job with a no quibble warranty that it would subsequently cut cleanly and not break tines. Best of luck.
@@hedydd2 Huw, I am well aware that this sheer grab is not a commercial vehicle. But large tipper trucks do have a metal skin that cracks open when large rocks and concrete are dropped in the bucket on a daily bases. Rams leak when the hinges on the tippers wear out over time and hydraulic pipes break these can easily be refurbished. The metal tines can be strengthened and tempered in a blacksmith forge No matter what you believe. Engineers and Blacksmiths at Wareing's would be able to assess the damage and cost out the repairs. Whether or not it is economically viable in the end that's down to Tom. It may well be that the Manufacturers couldn't fix it but that doesn't mean the sheer grab can't be fixed. You should see what the Ukrainians are doing to repurpose old and damaged weapon systems. If there is a will there is a way. I bet you Adrian over in Cavan ( I Farm We Farm) could fix this. You have a nice day now.
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While this is not made of Hardox steel, the cracked bowed back is the least of its problems. The tines are Kverneland Swedish steel though and break due to the inefficiency of the blades which also manifest as the inability to cut smoothly, leaving a ragged loose surface to the clamp which encourages wasteful secondary fermentation. As I said, throw enough time, money, metal and expertise at anything, and it can be made to work. These things are not economically viable to even start playing with on the off-chance that it could eventually be made to work at a cost.
However it would make a fun series of videos to watch someone attempt it and get a nice smooth sealed clamp face without breaking more than what I would consider an acceptable tine breakage rate of about a tine every 2000 tons cut and loaded.
Get rid of that ASAP …..move on ….. lesson learned…. Don’t look back. !
Hekamp grab,you wont be dissepointed
The only way you’ll fix the bent section is to replace it, once the metal is stretched and fatigued it wants cut out and replaced. I wouldn’t think it would cost that much tbh
Your right Tom never but of eBay 🙄 I would sell all of the shear grabs that you got then buy a new one but trouble is that they don't come in cheap
Don’t waste your time lads. We had a grab that went out of shape, and one of the best steel fabricators in my area jigged it and welded it.. but unfortunately it never cut correctly afterwards.
We ended up buying a new grab and never looked back.
Just buy new when you need equipment that you want and need to work!
Buy a new one its more money out but reliability is priceless 👌
Sell all of them and buy one new one. you use it almost every day you will get the money and use out of it.
Tom if you can justify it, sell 3 and buy 1. I'm sure it's used most days for 6/7 months of the year. It'll benefit your silo face no end and will be much easier on the manitou cutting out blocks.
Wiltshire is where I am from ha ha
get rid and look at a new red rock shear bucket great tools.
Sell all three and get a new one Tom, brilliant video again
Give the rams to Clayton's for reseal and let Alf do the fabrication on the shear grab.
Well worth fixing the front face is weak and needs replacing but the rest looks plenty strong enough.
You could make your old ones into double bale spikes. We did it with our old shear grab and it’s revolutionary for us being able to pick up two round bales or square bales easily. Simply cut off the grab part and remove a few tines. May be a way of still getting some use from either of your old ones 👍 (our grab was crushed by a silage collapse)
Ebay can be great like my mate who just bought a silage grab that was listed as spare parts but it's worked fine apart from a slight oil leak but it can also be a pain
Repair both and sell them, then buy a new one
You shouldn't blame yourself for something like that. At the end of the day you were trying to make life easier and it just didn't work out. Here's to hoping it's a cheap and easy fix, but with the amount of rust on the grab, I highly doubt it will be easy.
I was always told never to buy a second hand shear grab, nearly always strained. Always buy a new one, cheaper in the long run.
I know nothing, but that front plate looks flimsy to start off with. Could Warings make something up out of thicker metal with stronger braces? Or is it not worth the costs for that.
Selling all three grabs and buying a new one looks increasingly a better idea
Replace seals in rams and get the front face repaired and strengthened.
Buy Cheap🤔 Buy Twice❗
Do What Olly Does, Lease Or Finance On New Gear Less Breakdowns , More Time With Your Family 👍
For the size of it all new ones have three rams
I have ordered your signed book, looking forward to recieving it some time soon.
Not that I know anything but if something’s in very bad condition I’d buy a new one. You just don’t know when it’s going to break again, especially just when you’re busy. Always get the best tools you can afford for the job.
By the way Tom, you have a very kind and understanding father. A real gem.
"Live and learn". Exactly what my parents said over the years. Sorry the purchase turned out badly, but better luck on the next one. Thanks for another interesting video.
Sorry for the bad luck there Tom. I believe that you could file a claim on EBAY if the description didn't include repair work and see if you can get a portion of your money back.
Your father was right about leaving it to Andrew Wareing to build a new frontplate in Hardox in correct dimension and professionally weld it together. It will always be wort it and also a good video, Tom! ;D Ps. Your sound wasn't so extremely good in the end either. Hope your audio helper is a professional to pick together that gear also. I'm sorry but glad for your tries, Thomas.
I would sale 3 buy a new one bite the bullet
Buy cheap, buy twice! Learned that myself the hard way 😆 but yeah since you’re using it everyday, I’d say it’s worth investing in a new quality grab…as long as you can afford it of course
Sell all three buy a new redrock.
Don’t waste anymore time or money on it!