My 28 Nosler absolutely loves these bullets. They do very well with a 1:8 twist and in that rifle, heel- seated all the way out to the shoulder neck JCT.
Love it if you did an A-Tip in .224 caliber, 73, 75, or 80gr. Though I doubt my 1:8" twist would handle the 80gr flavor. Hornady, a lathe turned bullet is more consistent than a 3-element bullet. The problem is the groved bullets like the GMX and TSX. The solution is drive band bullets. I do think that the aluminum tip is a good idea to help change the center of gravity, though. My last group of lathe turned bullets all had lengths between 0.7990" and 0.7995" and each random 10 bullet batch weighed between 524.45gr and 524.49gr...i don't think the A-tips are more consistent, but I could be wrong.
No issues with eld line up out to 1 mile. Pushing past that think the A-tip would work great getting down .10 moa with high BC. Going to Need 300gr 338 A-tip
@@ronaldrainero5579 Yup, 300 PRC. It is the cats meow. A quote from the guy above, "The 300 PRC with the 250gr Atip will outperform every single cartridge in the world besides the Chey Tac, in terms of BC, SD, and ES.
@@kjnolder Plus of course all the hot rod 300's in the competitive shooting games, for wild cat cartridges. The other big advantage with A-Tips is not even the higher BC... but rather much more consistent bullets. It is not just about the BC... you can always compensate for that. What you can't compensate for is bullet to bullet variation in the manufacturing process. (unless you decide to hand weight all of them and sort them into groups.) even still..
What would be nice is if they offered the A-tip's in different ogives, just like Berger does. If Hornady wants the set the bar high, they can start manufacturing secant & hybrid ogive bullets in the A-tip line.
I shoot the 308 win with heavy bullets... 200 grain Sierra MK crimped nose .715 B.C. and a average velocity of 2746 fps in a 27" barrel bolt gun. in 308 Win. and 2666 fps in a 24" ar 10.single load, or 208 eld-m from the mag at 2564 fps..long barrels make velocity.
I'm putting that bullet, 30 cal. 250 A-Tip in the 300 RUM at 3.985" 4.020 inch Wyatt's mag box running 2986 26" barrel 1-10 will not stablize them...so I ordered a Bartlein 31" 1-8 expect 3100 fps from the 250 gr A- tip with B.C. of .878 g1 or .442 g7 smokes anything available in .338 Lapua 300 grain... and yeah it's not Sammi spec...It's about added performance, so who cares..and it's nothing new to extend the length of the loaded round to add more powder to the cartridge..been done for 100 years. The 300 PRC and the 300 Win Mag have very close to the same capacity, so if loaded to the same length and same twist they will preform about the same. I have 400 A-Tips to see how they work... great work team Hornady, bringing out these A-tip bullets.
Depends on what you want to do, how much you want to spend...a 250 A-tip over 2500 fps in a 308. that has been done with a 31" barrel ..supersonic to like 1700 yards! .878 B.C. 50" wind drift 10 mph cross wind at 1000 yards, but seemed to work better at 2450 fps with the 2 powders tried RL-17 and H 4350... Check out Accurate Shooter discussion on the subject. Just ordered a Bartlien 1-8 twist 31" for the 300 RUM...Ran the 250 A-Tip to 2986 fps in a 1 -10 twist 26" barrel but they do not stablize. a 31" should reach 3100 fps.
In 6.5 you make the 135gr with .321 G7, and then you jump to .414 and .442 G7 .30cals for uber-mega-magnum cartridges that suddenly will flood the market. Because there's too few non-magnum and light magnum shooters around?! Wth. Where's my 180-200gr .308Win option? You gonna make me take a second look at those bergers...
No 100 things are all the same regardless of the fact that they were manufactured and packaged sequentially or not. What's the standard deviation in projectile geometry from "1" to "500"? Are the aluminum tips kept sequential? Nice infomercial.
Why do these high BC match bullets always come with a rounded or blunted tip? I thought the bluntness was to aid bullet expansion upon impact which is a non-issue in match bullets since they only have to ring steel or punch paper. Couldn't you take their BC even further by making the bullet tip as sharp and pointy as possible? I imagine that would help it cut through air better.
Not always. You might decrease pressure drag, but you increase viscous drag. If what you are saying were true, an infinitely long boat tail would be most efficient, but it's not.
As a mid and long range competitive shooter I would like to see a .30 caliber 208 gr A-tip in the line up. Is this something that's in the works possibly in the future?
Ordered some from Midsouth already guys! So pumped for this bullet! Its pricey for sure but man they are gonna look so damn purrrdy when they are all loaded up 🤤🤤
@@johnbarton1878 I know man its alot but I'm sure the price will come down eventually to around the berger price ish. I hope anyway lol I just want to see what these will do
Considering how much the gun sitting in front of these costs, and that it’s people with rigs like that this is aimed at, it’s really not that expensive. People have been shooting lathe turned Solis’s for double this price.
@@str3tchr I meant its pricey for hornady bullets when compared to eld-m and x but still much cheaper than alot of solid turned bullets out there I agree.
$69.99 (what I’ve seen them selling for) per hundred is a steal for extreme long range shooters, who had previously been paying well over a dollar per bullet for lathed solids
Yes on the 250 grain A tip...but no one seems to be shooting them in the 300 PRC.. yet. I think that is because the muzzle velocities are not impressive. American Rifleman had 2 rifles with 26 inch barrels a Barrett and Ruger and they only shot factory rounds in 225 gr. and 212 gr. the 212 and 225's barley making 2800 fps in the Ruger the Barrett 30 fps faster. Any 300 Win Mag can to that. The two cases are close in capacity but the PRC has a longer COAL and faster twist. Install a Wyatts mag box and get a 1-8 twist barrel for your 300 Win mag and ya have a 300 PRC. According to Hodgdon load data they are basicly the same with up to the 220 gr. load data they provide and a few loads have the 300 Win mag a few fps ahead.
Actually it's more like a modern Remington Bronze Point (using an aluminum tip and given a boat tail). The tip of the Winchester Silver Tip was just an aluminum cap swagged onto the tip of a conventional jacketed lead soft point bullet.
Why not just CNC every Atip? That way you can skip the batches and you know every bullet will be exact for limitless runs. Lehigh Defense Makes 100count bullets that are CNC'ed for $52 a box. Im sure with your bullet having a much higher BC if you couple that with CNC processing you'll have a cult following
More marketing crap that a lot of people will fall for. First it was the plastic tip that doesn’t melt and now sequential bullets. I guess they are saying all the bullets they made before was all junk and not the same in each box because they wasn’t in order coming off the machine. Quit falling for new hype all the time.
Forgive me Hornady. But for you guys to finally realise that a consistent BC is better than a great BC, Im very pissed off. This is a well known fact and If you haven't been building to this requirement shows you need new blood. Now on the Polymer side. I think you know damn well there is a massive massive problem with polymer. Inconsistent from batch to batch, bullet to bullet. So this comes back to my first statement. Im very disappointed in your products at times. Seating stems need to be cheaper also. This also needs to be printed on the box... Thanks
Despite the hype of your latest and most revolutionary game-changer match bullet, I'll stick with Sierra thank you. They just produce consistently more accurate match rifle bullets than you.
@@AnthonysOutdoors - True. Sierra also has much more experience in large volume manufacturing of small metallic components that require absolute consistency in their weigh and dimension. Before it became a bullet manufacturer, Sierra was a manufacturer of nuts, bolts and fasteners used in the aerospace industry.
In today’s modern manufacturing age, I would never be brand specific. That being said, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. If you’re happy with the results from a certain bullet, why change? I just wouldn’t overlook anything new when trying to find a new load for a new gun. If it fits the need, try it. I’m personally not trying them, because of cost. Then again, they weren’t designed for me, and what I do. They’re designed for the best shooters and big money shooters.
Ah, how convenient. Let's make a bullet for reloaders that's the best bullet weve ever made... then tell them they need to buy our new seating stem as an add on sale. Marketing 101.
@@jddiguido a box of ELDM doesn’t have near the BC of the 250 grain atip. These are meant to compete against lathed monolithic bullets like those from Cutting Edge.
Absolutely a fantastic hunting bullet. Even though its labeled as a target bullet but its unbelievably fantastic for hunting.
My 28 Nosler absolutely loves these bullets. They do very well with a 1:8 twist and in that rifle, heel- seated all the way out to the shoulder neck JCT.
What powder are you getting the best results?
Love it if you did an A-Tip in .224 caliber, 73, 75, or 80gr. Though I doubt my 1:8" twist would handle the 80gr flavor.
Hornady, a lathe turned bullet is more consistent than a 3-element bullet. The problem is the groved bullets like the GMX and TSX. The solution is drive band bullets. I do think that the aluminum tip is a good idea to help change the center of gravity, though.
My last group of lathe turned bullets all had lengths between 0.7990" and 0.7995" and each random 10 bullet batch weighed between 524.45gr and 524.49gr...i don't think the A-tips are more consistent, but I could be wrong.
No issues with eld line up out to 1 mile. Pushing past that think the A-tip would work great getting down .10 moa with high BC. Going to Need 300gr 338 A-tip
Liemciemdk89 Why’d they make a .308 in 230gr and 250gr? Is 300 Norma that popular now haha
@@ronaldrainero5579 300 PRC.... Wake up and smell the new stuff. :)
@@ronaldrainero5579 Yup, 300 PRC. It is the cats meow. A quote from the guy above, "The 300 PRC with the 250gr Atip will outperform every single cartridge in the world besides the Chey Tac, in terms of BC, SD, and ES.
@@kjnolder Plus of course all the hot rod 300's in the competitive shooting games, for wild cat cartridges. The other big advantage with A-Tips is not even the higher BC... but rather much more consistent bullets. It is not just about the BC... you can always compensate for that. What you can't compensate for is bullet to bullet variation in the manufacturing process. (unless you decide to hand weight all of them and sort them into groups.) even still..
@@SlavGuns if you believe all the hype about the 300prc over the 300 norma ive had both and the 300 prc got sold
Variability from batches is minimozed, but press variation from stroke to stroke is most important, and sequential packaging doesn't eliminate this.
What would be nice is if they offered the A-tip's in different ogives, just like Berger does. If Hornady wants the set the bar high, they can start manufacturing secant & hybrid ogive bullets in the A-tip line.
@Hornady, can you provide the bullet lengths for these new bullets? Many of us want run stability models for differing twist rates.
Think a 300 Rum 1:10 twist pushing a 230 @3050fps will stabilize at distance? 4100 ASL.
Will there be a lighter 30 cal version available somewhere down the line? Say a 175 or 180? Something that will work in a 308 winchester?
I shoot the 308 win with heavy bullets... 200 grain Sierra MK crimped nose .715 B.C. and a average velocity of 2746 fps in a 27" barrel bolt gun. in 308 Win. and 2666 fps in a 24" ar 10.single load, or 208 eld-m from the mag at 2564 fps..long barrels make velocity.
Ray Johnson Really, what’s your powder and weight of powder??
I just got an email from Creedmoor Sports with 176 grain A-Tip 308 bullets for $74.95 for 100.
Just shot 1895yds with the 225eldm factory ammo. Now onto the Atip.
I'm putting that bullet, 30 cal. 250 A-Tip in the 300 RUM at 3.985" 4.020 inch Wyatt's mag box running 2986 26" barrel 1-10 will not stablize them...so I ordered a Bartlein 31" 1-8 expect 3100 fps from the 250 gr A- tip with B.C. of .878 g1 or .442 g7 smokes anything available in .338 Lapua 300 grain... and yeah it's not Sammi spec...It's about added performance, so who cares..and it's nothing new to extend the length of the loaded round to add more powder to the cartridge..been done for 100 years. The 300 PRC and the 300 Win Mag have very close to the same capacity, so if loaded to the same length and same twist they will preform about the same. I have 400 A-Tips to see how they work... great work team Hornady, bringing out these A-tip bullets.
Depends on what you want to do, how much you want to spend...a 250 A-tip over 2500 fps in a 308. that has been done with a 31" barrel ..supersonic to like 1700 yards! .878 B.C. 50" wind drift 10 mph cross wind at 1000 yards, but seemed to work better at 2450 fps with the 2 powders tried RL-17 and H 4350... Check out Accurate Shooter discussion on the subject. Just ordered a Bartlien 1-8 twist 31" for the 300 RUM...Ran the 250 A-Tip to 2986 fps in a 1 -10 twist 26" barrel but they do not stablize. a 31" should reach 3100 fps.
7mm will be needed to attract the F-Open class shooters that this bullet could be ideal for.
If these bullets are designed for hunting purposes id like to try em in a .308 win mag sure wish i had a browning x bolt 7mm rem mag to
"Aluminium is a very costly material" - LOL.
only a complete moron who never machined anything to high precision would say "lol"
556 and 6.5ARC and grendel need this!
How good does it expand using for hunting leaning toward 300 PRC ?
How often do you do quality control(measurement checks)and adjustments on your production machinery.
will the 250gr will be good for my 300 rum Browning Xbolt long range 1/8 twist ?
Looking for load data for the 7 mm 190 gr Atip. Shooting a 7x300 win mag.
In 6.5 you make the 135gr with .321 G7, and then you jump to .414 and .442 G7 .30cals for uber-mega-magnum cartridges that suddenly will flood the market.
Because there's too few non-magnum and light magnum shooters around?! Wth.
Where's my 180-200gr .308Win option? You gonna make me take a second look at those bergers...
8.5 twist or faster barrel. Why aren’t y’all putting that out there?
With Berger jumping in on the .257 heavy bullets Hornady needs to do a 135 A Tip.
No 100 things are all the same regardless of the fact that they were manufactured and packaged sequentially or not. What's the standard deviation in projectile geometry from "1" to "500"? Are the aluminum tips kept sequential? Nice infomercial.
curious if I can seat these out like 147 eld-m on my 6.5 PRC and still maintain a COAL of 2.955" to run in the mags
Are the bullets packed sequentially?
Will you be coming out with A-Tip bullets for 223 rem
Thank you 😊
You're welcome 😊
When is my 300 grain .338 A-Tip coming out?
I just bought 2 100 rds boxes of these exact bullets. The 300 grain a tip 338
Why do these high BC match bullets always come with a rounded or blunted tip? I thought the bluntness was to aid bullet expansion upon impact which is a non-issue in match bullets since they only have to ring steel or punch paper. Couldn't you take their BC even further by making the bullet tip as sharp and pointy as possible? I imagine that would help it cut through air better.
Not always. You might decrease pressure drag, but you increase viscous drag. If what you are saying were true, an infinitely long boat tail would be most efficient, but it's not.
So what is a good base to start to reload for Savage 300 wsm
Winchester silver tip but more refined???
Copy of Rocky Mnt bullets?
As a mid and long range competitive shooter I would like to see a .30 caliber 208 gr A-tip in the line up. Is this something that's in the works possibly in the future?
As of now there are only the 230 and 250 gr in .30 cal. We will put in the suggestion to our engineers.
Ordered some from Midsouth already guys! So pumped for this bullet! Its pricey for sure but man they are gonna look so damn purrrdy when they are all loaded up 🤤🤤
$75.oo for 💯 .🤔
@@johnbarton1878 I know man its alot but I'm sure the price will come down eventually to around the berger price ish. I hope anyway lol I just want to see what these will do
Considering how much the gun sitting in front of these costs, and that it’s people with rigs like that this is aimed at, it’s really not that expensive. People have been shooting lathe turned Solis’s for double this price.
@@str3tchr I meant its pricey for hornady bullets when compared to eld-m and x but still much cheaper than alot of solid turned bullets out there I agree.
Hands Solo truth, worth a shot to see if they are good stuff. If they are the price will go down as they sell more
The 147eldm is really accurate in my 6.5 creedmoor. Would that extra 5 grains with the 153grain be too much or should I go with the 135grain...?
My thought would be 135gn - you want to still push some speed to ensure that you have the legs for the distance you're shooting.
When will you make a 338?
Anyone here using the 250’s in a 300 ultra mag for ELR?
180gr 7mm please
When will we see data for hand loading
www.hornady.com/support/load-data/
@@thelongshotproject7375 Thanks I appreciate the link.
One question.. WHO in hell can afford them?? @$80+ per hundred, it would seem your sales will be very slow and limited.
$69.99 (what I’ve seen them selling for) per hundred is a steal for extreme long range shooters, who had previously been paying well over a dollar per bullet for lathed solids
Will my 1 in 8 26" 300 prc handle the 250 grain bullet?
Jake I think so. I just ordered a 24" 1 in 8 twist Proof barrel for hunting.
Yes on the 250 grain A tip...but no one seems to be shooting them in the 300 PRC.. yet. I think that is because the muzzle velocities are not impressive. American Rifleman had 2 rifles with 26 inch barrels a Barrett and Ruger and they only shot factory rounds in 225 gr. and 212 gr. the 212 and 225's barley making 2800 fps in the Ruger the Barrett 30 fps faster. Any 300 Win Mag can to that. The two cases are close in capacity but the PRC has a longer COAL and faster twist. Install a Wyatts mag box and get a 1-8 twist barrel for your 300 Win mag and ya have a 300 PRC. According to Hodgdon load data they are basicly the same with up to the 220 gr. load data they provide and a few loads have the 300 Win mag a few fps ahead.
So what’s better, E-tip or ELD?
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Good thing my .300 WM is a 29" 1:9 rht. I bet that 230 gr. Does good on aggressive twists.
The explanation given as to why sequential packaging is better was grossly inadequate. This video was a waste of time.
These guys have really pissed me off. They are hiding many facts in their production process with other products. Get your shit together Hornady.
So a modern winchester silver tip, sounds good
Actually it's more like a modern Remington Bronze Point (using an aluminum tip and given a boat tail). The tip of the Winchester Silver Tip was just an aluminum cap swagged onto the tip of a conventional jacketed lead soft point bullet.
@@F15ElectricEagle I didn't know that, thanks.
Factory loads?
Not at this time. Bullets only
Cant wait till Barnes or Nosler comes out with the same thing but better
This must be Dave's son. Every generation gets more stupid. Technology equals greater stupidity.
Why not just CNC every Atip? That way you can skip the batches and you know every bullet will be exact for limitless runs.
Lehigh Defense Makes 100count bullets that are CNC'ed for $52 a box.
Im sure with your bullet having a much higher BC if you couple that with CNC processing you'll have a cult following
More marketing crap that a lot of people will fall for. First it was the plastic tip that doesn’t melt and now sequential bullets. I guess they are saying all the bullets they made before was all junk and not the same in each box because they wasn’t in order coming off the machine. Quit falling for new hype all the time.
Forgive me Hornady. But for you guys to finally realise that a consistent BC is better than a great BC, Im very pissed off. This is a well known fact and If you haven't been building to this requirement shows you need new blood. Now on the Polymer side. I think you know damn well there is a massive massive problem with polymer. Inconsistent from batch to batch, bullet to bullet. So this comes back to my first statement. Im very disappointed in your products at times. Seating stems need to be cheaper also. This also needs to be printed on the box... Thanks
Despite the hype of your latest and most revolutionary game-changer match bullet, I'll stick with Sierra thank you. They just produce consistently more accurate match rifle bullets than you.
Sierra is a much smaller company and has the ability to focus on quality control, hence why their bullets are so good.
@@AnthonysOutdoors - True. Sierra also has much more experience in large volume manufacturing of small metallic components that require absolute consistency in their weigh and dimension. Before it became a bullet manufacturer, Sierra was a manufacturer of nuts, bolts and fasteners used in the aerospace industry.
In today’s modern manufacturing age, I would never be brand specific. That being said, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. If you’re happy with the results from a certain bullet, why change? I just wouldn’t overlook anything new when trying to find a new load for a new gun. If it fits the need, try it.
I’m personally not trying them, because of cost. Then again, they weren’t designed for me, and what I do. They’re designed for the best shooters and big money shooters.
Ah, how convenient. Let's make a bullet for reloaders that's the best bullet weve ever made... then tell them they need to buy our new seating stem as an add on sale. Marketing 101.
You’re already paying damn near a buck a bullet...what the hell is an extra $15?
A bit too expensive for a retired guy 🥴🤷🏼♂️
All talk, no show...not even a picture...
This is a follow up video to our announcement video. th-cam.com/video/ewCrvU9pOLY/w-d-xo.html
At .80~ a round no thanks lol
Exactly Finley....
A box of ELD-M is less than half........ 👉- - - - - -💥
@@jddiguido a box of ELDM doesn’t have near the BC of the 250 grain atip. These are meant to compete against lathed monolithic bullets like those from Cutting Edge.
A Tip- Match are Overpriced Junk ELD Match is better and cheaper!!! They are talking crap to try an sell them don’t waste your money!!!
Overpriced…overpriced…overpriced. Berger LR Hybrid 153.5gn does exactly the same if not better, and cheaper.
This must be Dave's son. Every generation gets more stupid. Technology equals greater stupidity.