What are your memories of these guys? Do you reckon any of them deserved better? Have a shout about it here, and thanks for watching this celebration of all things 2000s and utterly mid.
Monty Brown was a guy who deserved to be a champion. These guys are just boring nothing guys who had nothing except size. Tryton wouldn't be a champion even in today's TNA. The masked gimmick looked like it could be worth something and the clips there did show improvement. He would have a home in modern TNA with that gimmick now Abyss is gone.
Kozlov has a much better look now than he ever did before. He actually easily can fill a main event role in TNA now. They are building up a very strong scene that isn't tiny generic floppy guys. Its actually working towards filling a niche. They just need to focus on storylines, gimmicks and reasons for matches not just long matches.
@arostwocents I will have you know that most "generic flip guys" are actually pretty versatile in the bloody ring and can out wrestle any muscle bound green as grass golden boys any day of the week! However with that said TNA has a good number of main event guys right now.
Kozlov's tag team with Santino could've been absolutely abysmal but they, somehow, managed to make it work and produce some of WWE's genuinely funniest comedy bits (and WWE comedy can be very hit or miss to say the least). Oh, and Matt Morgan had a banger theme song in TNA and a really dope finisher.
To play Devil's Advocate, Kozlov went from beating Undertaker clean and being in main event programs with the likes of HHH to teaming with Santino. Santino and Kozlov were a pretty funny tag team though, I'll give you that.
@@MikeJr9284 That's a good point, but, weirdly, I think people remember him more fondly for his tag team run with Santino then the time they tried to push him as a main eventer.
Yeah that "Tea Time" sketch in the video- where he and Santino are in the bowlers and such - was actually legitimately good comedy. It's a shame they couldn't figure out anything else to do with him but such was WWE in 2010.
You forgot a main part of the Koslov character is he was Fedor basically. Stoicism and silent entrance was supposed to be scary like the then undefeated killing machine Fedor over in Pride. The connection was never made by fans.
The ironic thing with triton, monty brown was actually the guy to be the next big thing. A great look, fine strength and athletics, had a move that was super over to the point it is still associated with him. But tna didn't ever pull the trigger and let montey be a main eventer and then WWE had him in wwecw which may not have been the best option for him and then he retired shortly there after.
He didn't retire through any choice of his own though, he took responsibility for his sister's children after she died. There's no Denying what a good man he is for that, but you still can't help but think what might've been
The main thing I think about when I remember Mark Jindrak is that there used to be a channel on TH-cam that uploaded clips of his matches titled shit like "Mark Jindrak Hot and Sexy Muscles Man" and the description of the videos were always his entire Wikipedia page. Honestly, might have been Mark Jindrak's personal channel.
There were so many of these guys during this era. It is crazy how after the "Class of 2002" (lesnar, orton, batista, cena) the WWE really didn't have a single real new star until CM Punk clicked in what 2011?. The amount of forgotten projects from say 2003 to 2010 is quite astounding; I went through the WWE Encyclopedia that was released in like 2009 and the amount of just generic unimpressive OVW assembly liners was incredible. I would look at these names and I either have no clue who they were, forgot they existed, or realized "oh wow he was in WWE at the time?" It really wasn't until they changed their tune on wrestlers who had any type of "indy background" that they were able to make new stars (or the second generation guys).
@@baseupp12 that is true. I forgot about him. But you had this long list of guys Jackson Andrews, Ezekial Jackson, Mason Ryan, most of the cast of the original NXT, so many of the new talent initiative or whatever they called it on ECW. It was such a strange period in wrestling history; this sort of dark and forgotten era.
@@baseupp12 It took a while for Sheamus to really get over IMO, and there were a couple of bad false starts (including squashing Daniel Bryan at WM28 which ended up helping Bryan more than it did him.)
I recently played through Smackdown vs RAW 2006’s GM mode where, no joke, Mark Jindrak was not only one of the most popular wrestlers on SmackDown but a 2-time World Heavyweight Champion as well!
“You know the one.” That gave me chills. I was transported back to Over the Edge 99. It’s offensive because J.R.s tone that night is what convinced a lot of us, my friend Todd and I watching it live at my house included, that it was indeed real and not storyline. I’d never heard Lawler break character either. It was truly stunning to a young me. This wasn’t “puppies!” Lawler. This was a man who had given Owen one of his first paychecks away from his dad. Lawler saw his friend. Stu’s son. Lying there near death. I’m way off topic but I wanted to convey to you the sheer force of your words when you said that. It brought it all back to me. The smell of root beers sitting on my parent’s coffee table. 2 hour old pizza. I also say it to show how utterly disgusting it was for them to use that as a storyline. And not just use it but abuse it. How dare they. Just another in a decades long list of tragedies that were brought on by, or encouraged by Vincent K. McMahon. Yes it was Michael Hayes idea but Vince never had any trouble vetoing Michael’s ideas before and he should have done it here. KJ, I’ve told you many times how much your stuff means to me and the impact that it has. As you can see from above, this was no different. You have a wonderful soul and I truly appreciate the escape from a world gone completely mad. You can’t even look out the window anymore without a news crawl popping up. Thank you 🙏
So glad to see these wrestlers covered but specifically by Kim, mid 2000's WWE was such a trainwreck and I'd love to see this channel do more on it. I love the Tekken music during the Kozlov portion.
Kim posting a WWE video, and a video about something BAD they did feels like one of those fever dreams you'd have when you were 9. But props for trying something different, enjoyed it as always!
Koslov would've benefited from working in a territory. I could see him working a long match as a heel where he doesn't get a lot of long matches via him squashing guys quickly, so when put against someone on near equal qualities, he slowly wears down, sells more as the match goes longer, until ultimately losing. Then what follows is a long run of him improving as a wrestler until ultimately turning baby face.
At least Jindrak is big in Mexico, Matt Morgan could of been a main eventer in TNA but they never pulled the trigger on him, Kozlov could of been big if HHH would of helped him during there feud.
I just don't know why Matt Morgan didn't get over he was an athletic big guy, had ok mic skills, was passable in ring, had a great look and definitely had some charisma to him. Other people have gotten over with less than that
He has no charisma. He would have been huge in today's slim pickings but you had genuine main eventers back then. TNA constantly tried to push boring guys as new stars despite having homegrown main event quality guys and also being able to create them in ec3 and co. What little charisma he had wasn't the type that made you like him or hate him. He was just nothing. Much too boring.
@arostwocents I have actually seen his promo work and he was not that bad. Either you just hate him period or your memory is terrible. Also if you do not like modern tna why take every fucking opportunity to bring then up?!
The Blueprint was actually very good in TNA at one point. They just never pulled the trigger. But I'm a firm believer that when those things happen, the company has good reason for what they are doing and most likely its based on reasons that have nothing to do with storylines or anything we would know about or take into account.
Its a bit of a shock Matt Morgan never won the TNA World Championship. It always seemed like he was on the verge, even as a transitional champion. Jindrak definitely should have been given another shot later on in an american promotion. ROH or even TNA would have been great. Koslov MIGHT have worked if they pulled the trigger that early but for say the US Championship instead (which was largely not up to much in late 2008). Have him learn on the job against the midcard where he isnt totally exposed
My favorite thing that matt morgan ever did was his solo run as tna tag champ. He was tagging with super mex when he turned on him. Then he began to call himself tag team champs and referring to himself as "we". That why i call him "venom matt morgan".
The video game music in the back and the narration style remind me of Larry Bundy Jr videos. But also I remember actually like Mark Jindrak. Mainly because I grew up with smaxkdown during that period and was a huge kurt angle fan so anyone aligned with him was cool imo lol.
Matt Morgan might be the most tragic one on this list, because despite going to TNA after WWE, it seemed like they never really strapped the rocket to him like they should there either. He's a 7 foot giant that can move and talk, this shouldnt be that hard to make into a top guy. Yet that was the story for alot of guys in that early years of TNA.
Triple H dominated WWE for longer than Hogan did WCW. I genuinely believe he has cost the sport of wrestling more fans than any other guy in history. When they tried to make him a Face 😂
I was a weekly fan of WWF/E from late 1996 onwards. Gradually from late 2002 I started watching less and less, and with that bollocks finish to Summerslam 2003 elimination chaimber match, I cashed in my chips and stopped watching, and I haven't been back since.
Morgan and Jindrack under WWE's current guise would be Main Eventers after a couple of years, they dropped the ball on so many back in the early 2000's
This is a good list, I like that for once, someone mentions that Jindrak had a great career in Mexico. Another guy that would fit this idea would be Mason Ryan. Big Welsh guy that, for a while, looked like Batista 2.0. 4:37 wouldn't surprise me, Vince McMahon has a notoriously bad sense of humor
IMO, the worst of them was Trytan. He was big, lumbering, and had little to no charisma. Kozlov was a good worker in the right hands (I personally think they rushed him to main too quickly), and he had an underrated comedy presence that they never really used until he was with Santino post-push. Matt Morgan didn't really get the attention he needed until his TNA run, and I thought he was a good heel over there ("The Blueprint" is a fire gimmick, and the Hellevator and Carbon Footprint were both excellent finishers). Jindrak is the guy I saw the most in, and his work in CMLL as Marco Corleone proves that he was very capable of being a major heel character; but his stuff in WWE always veered into generic or derivative. Given that he was a WCW guy, and a younger one at that, I'm not surprised by the way it turned out for him.
Actually, I think letting Matt Morgan do the moonsault as his finisher would've gotten him over huge, especially back then. Only Vader and the HeadHunters were the only big guys back then who did moonsaults, so that would've still been rare enough to get him over big. I remember when I first watched CMLL and I was like "Holy shit, what? Mark Jindrak got big over there?" But in hindsight, Jindrak wasn't really bad. The problem is that he was too generic compared to his peers. His tag team with Sean O'Haire was promising, though, and I actually have plenty of fun booking O'Haire and Jindrak as a tag team in the WCW lives scenario in TEW, where I made them the enforcers in my own Horsemen stable, with Steve Corino as the leader and AJ Styles rounding up the group (with Flair as the mouthpiece, of course)
So many clips of match endings on TH-cam i am noticing the guys shoulders werent down. They need to tighten up on it (as im sure they havent) as it looks awful.
I was a huge Vladimir Kozlov mark as a kid, shame he wasn't very good in ring. Him getting stuck with a comedy gimmick was yet another reason I became a lapsed wrestling fan in 2010.
I was surprised to see Oleg Prudius (Kozlov) in TNA at that time. He looks fucking killer too. Sadly, he still isn't that great in the ring but it didn't really matter. He was protection for Dango and didn't stick around for too long.
I asked that in a community post and that's kind of a no-go since SamuraiTV is just about as bad if not worse with copyright as NJPW on youtube. It's okay in Patreon apparently.
The Matt Morgan thing is one of so many examples of Vince's pettiness actively making hos own product worse. "Sure let's bury one of our own talents just to spite Jim Cornette because I guess we hate him and don't respect his opinions." I mean, I hate Jim Cornette and don't respect his opinions but I didn't make him head of my developmental territory now did I?
I enjoy Cornettes podcast for his stories and personality but his opinions on many topics are from beyond the left field. Funny albeit completely delusional fella.
The Johnny ACE type of talent he loves alongside Vince BIG,CHISEL,TALL and well good looking but they couldn’t work,cut a promo or lack a ton of charisma but they’ll get pushed anyways till Vince lost interest cause at course he did
Matt Morgan should have been a way bigger star than he was in WWE and TNA but everyone booked him wrong or gave him gimmicks that couldn't be taken seriously. A seven foot tall, highly athletic guy who cut good promos should have given Vince a raging hard on.
Worked a show in Havelock, NC that Matt Morgan was on. He gave me and a couple of my friends some great in-ring advice, which he learned from "The Rabid Wolverine" [REDACTED]. Paraphrasing slightly due to me forgetting the word-for-word quote (CTE, THC, and AGE are getting to me) : "If you and your opponent are within 3 feet of each other and on your feet, and you're not trying to attack each other, you both look like pussies."
Wow if Morgan had used a moonsault i think he would have had at least something in TNA. His matches wouldnt have been a go and smoke time as the finisher would have been worth seeing. He was just a boring guy i didnt want to see and i think everyone else felt the same. People saying he was worth something need to remember his nickname was Matt Boring in TNA.
I find it funny they wanted to create the next brock lesnar and yet there is only one guy who did rivaled lesnar: 80s scott steiner for sure! To be fair my favorite put of these has to be monty brown but its a shame jarrett didn't pull the trigger and his career got cut short. Dude is still jacked nowadays!
Dude had the coolest vignettes pre-debut in the game though, the shots of him in the prison and using actual Australian news footage about him was some great stuff.
I was rewatching old MMA events awhile ago and Nathan Jones was actually on the first Pride card! He was obviously off the juice at the time and lost to Koji Kitao by a keylock in 2:14
WWE and TNA both failed Matt Morgan. The latter underutilizing him like Big Show in the worst of ways while the former was just awful. Kozlov grew on me but he was definitely pushed too soon. I'm glad Mark had a great career in Mexico and I'm surprised he was part of los Inglonobles.
I was never a fan of wrestling companies pushing big green guys because of their "looks". To me, a wrestler should be pushed based on their skills and personality. Most big men lack both but that won't stop wrestling promotions from pushing them to the moon. However I will admit that I like Matt Morgan and thought he was pretty good in the ring and he was good on the mic. However looking back I now see that he was ok in the ring but not amazing. His best match was with Kurt Angle, one of the best workers in wrestling.
Someone needs to explain to this fella that it takes a lot more than being tall to make the NBA lmao, let’s just say this there’s a reason he didn’t name the prestigious school he attended and it’s not for being kicked out or anything like that but because no one including the scouts know anything about the college he went to
Vladimir Koslov could've been so much better, and Mark Jindrak's career was good. As for Matt Boring and Ryan Wilson? They weren't used right in my opinion.
WWE had a horrible record for introducing ne stars. They always put these guys over experienced stars and they were nowhere near capable of carrying the spot. I think the only one I appreciated was Sheamus, and some of that was at the expense of Finlay which pissed me off at the time.
I’d like to say Triple H was also at fault for that terrible match Just look at ANY of his main event or title matches from the time of Evolution to his retirement The dude was OBSESSED with making himself out to be some great wrestler when to me he’s above average at best He had to ALWAYS have a match go 30 minutes or longer even though he doesn’t have the moves to fill it And for someone with his “claimed” strength the only power move he has is a spine buster Outside of that he generally NEVER picks guy up higher then his knees …I also found his self invoked title The Game stupid It makes no sense and his great plans as a heel always amount to: hiring another wrestler to jump his future opponent, injuring them before the match, having help outside the ring, sneak attacks, or just generally stacking the deck in his favor Stuff done by EVERY HEEL SINCE THE CARNY DAYS! So what’s this so called game he plays better then most everybody else when it’s the same game used by every major heel since the beginning
What are your memories of these guys? Do you reckon any of them deserved better? Have a shout about it here, and thanks for watching this celebration of all things 2000s and utterly mid.
Vignettes has a silent g Kim 😂
Monty Brown was a guy who deserved to be a champion. These guys are just boring nothing guys who had nothing except size. Tryton wouldn't be a champion even in today's TNA. The masked gimmick looked like it could be worth something and the clips there did show improvement. He would have a home in modern TNA with that gimmick now Abyss is gone.
Mideon is much thinner there 😮
Kozlov has a much better look now than he ever did before. He actually easily can fill a main event role in TNA now. They are building up a very strong scene that isn't tiny generic floppy guys. Its actually working towards filling a niche. They just need to focus on storylines, gimmicks and reasons for matches not just long matches.
@arostwocents I will have you know that most "generic flip guys" are actually pretty versatile in the bloody ring and can out wrestle any muscle bound green as grass golden boys any day of the week! However with that said TNA has a good number of main event guys right now.
Kozlov's tag team with Santino could've been absolutely abysmal but they, somehow, managed to make it work and produce some of WWE's genuinely funniest comedy bits (and WWE comedy can be very hit or miss to say the least). Oh, and Matt Morgan had a banger theme song in TNA and a really dope finisher.
To play Devil's Advocate, Kozlov went from beating Undertaker clean and being in main event programs with the likes of HHH to teaming with Santino. Santino and Kozlov were a pretty funny tag team though, I'll give you that.
@@MikeJr9284 That's a good point, but, weirdly, I think people remember him more fondly for his tag team run with Santino then the time they tried to push him as a main eventer.
Yeah that "Tea Time" sketch in the video- where he and Santino are in the bowlers and such - was actually legitimately good comedy. It's a shame they couldn't figure out anything else to do with him but such was WWE in 2010.
@@EvanCWaters It's often that WWE tries comedy but it's rare that it's funny. That tea time skit was better than it had any right to be.
@@EvanCWaters Would you like some Irish milk tea Sheamus
You forgot a main part of the Koslov character is he was Fedor basically. Stoicism and silent entrance was supposed to be scary like the then undefeated killing machine Fedor over in Pride. The connection was never made by fans.
The ironic thing with triton, monty brown was actually the guy to be the next big thing. A great look, fine strength and athletics, had a move that was super over to the point it is still associated with him. But tna didn't ever pull the trigger and let montey be a main eventer and then WWE had him in wwecw which may not have been the best option for him and then he retired shortly there after.
Monty Brown was Bobby Lashley in his first run, but better, because he had the POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUNCE!
PERIOD!
He didn't retire through any choice of his own though, he took responsibility for his sister's children after she died. There's no Denying what a good man he is for that, but you still can't help but think what might've been
Monty is definitely one of my bigger What-Ifs of that era. Dude had WWE main eventer potential, no doubt.
TNA making terrible acquisitions/booking/developmental decisions?
_T N A!_
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I still think of "Bent Cock" bcoz of him
Jindrak with a dropkick at HEAD HEIGHT 😮😮😮😮
The main thing I think about when I remember Mark Jindrak is that there used to be a channel on TH-cam that uploaded clips of his matches titled shit like "Mark Jindrak Hot and Sexy Muscles Man" and the description of the videos were always his entire Wikipedia page.
Honestly, might have been Mark Jindrak's personal channel.
I genuinely hope that's true because that is hilarious!
I was a fan of Matt Morgan during his time in TNA, and my god I can still hear his them music from TNA till this day.
🎵YEAAAAAAH!
BEWARE!
YOUVE AWAKEN
A SLEEPING GIANT!!!🎵
Sudden memories of watching WCW on Channel 5, in the late 90s in the UK and seeing Jindrak & O'Hare tag-teaming. So many big men in shiny trunks.
There were so many of these guys during this era. It is crazy how after the "Class of 2002" (lesnar, orton, batista, cena) the WWE really didn't have a single real new star until CM Punk clicked in what 2011?. The amount of forgotten projects from say 2003 to 2010 is quite astounding; I went through the WWE Encyclopedia that was released in like 2009 and the amount of just generic unimpressive OVW assembly liners was incredible. I would look at these names and I either have no clue who they were, forgot they existed, or realized "oh wow he was in WWE at the time?"
It really wasn't until they changed their tune on wrestlers who had any type of "indy background" that they were able to make new stars (or the second generation guys).
They had Sheamus who joined WWE in 09
@@baseupp12 that is true. I forgot about him. But you had this long list of guys Jackson Andrews, Ezekial Jackson, Mason Ryan, most of the cast of the original NXT, so many of the new talent initiative or whatever they called it on ECW. It was such a strange period in wrestling history; this sort of dark and forgotten era.
They had guys like Mr Kennedy & Monty Brown/Marcus Cor Von who really could’ve been something but politics/real life issues got the best of them
@@baseupp12 It took a while for Sheamus to really get over IMO, and there were a couple of bad false starts (including squashing Daniel Bryan at WM28 which ended up helping Bryan more than it did him.)
@@EvanCWaters maybe but he was pretty much always in the upper midcard after 2012
I recently played through Smackdown vs RAW 2006’s GM mode where, no joke, Mark Jindrak was not only one of the most popular wrestlers on SmackDown but a 2-time World Heavyweight Champion as well!
“You know the one.” That gave me chills. I was transported back to Over the Edge 99. It’s offensive because J.R.s tone that night is what convinced a lot of us, my friend Todd and I watching it live at my house included, that it was indeed real and not storyline. I’d never heard Lawler break character either. It was truly stunning to a young me. This wasn’t “puppies!” Lawler. This was a man who had given Owen one of his first paychecks away from his dad. Lawler saw his friend. Stu’s son. Lying there near death. I’m way off topic but I wanted to convey to you the sheer force of your words when you said that. It brought it all back to me. The smell of root beers sitting on my parent’s coffee table. 2 hour old pizza. I also say it to show how utterly disgusting it was for them to use that as a storyline. And not just use it but abuse it. How dare they. Just another in a decades long list of tragedies that were brought on by, or encouraged by Vincent K. McMahon. Yes it was Michael Hayes idea but Vince never had any trouble vetoing Michael’s ideas before and he should have done it here.
KJ, I’ve told you many times how much your stuff means to me and the impact that it has. As you can see from above, this was no different. You have a wonderful soul and I truly appreciate the escape from a world gone completely mad. You can’t even look out the window anymore without a news crawl popping up. Thank you 🙏
Mark Jindrak was really primed to be one of the best heels ever. The reflection of perfection. A dominant heel on SD? He had it. Was a huge fan!
So glad to see these wrestlers covered but specifically by Kim, mid 2000's WWE was such a trainwreck and I'd love to see this channel do more on it. I love the Tekken music during the Kozlov portion.
Kim posting a WWE video, and a video about something BAD they did feels like one of those fever dreams you'd have when you were 9. But props for trying something different, enjoyed it as always!
Interesting use of the Tekken stage theme for the Kozlov portion.
Koslov would've benefited from working in a territory. I could see him working a long match as a heel where he doesn't get a lot of long matches via him squashing guys quickly, so when put against someone on near equal qualities, he slowly wears down, sells more as the match goes longer, until ultimately losing. Then what follows is a long run of him improving as a wrestler until ultimately turning baby face.
He is the precursor to Gunther.
@@toddpace4588 agreed!
HHH: Mark Jindrak wasn't mature enough to handle it
Meanwhile Randy is being one of the most immature kids in history backstage
thank you for including all of Jindrak's awesome drop kicks
Morgan did improve some in tna. I've never been a body guy person, but he did get prett good on the mic
Damn. I never knew Mike Sanders was in developmental for WWE. Learned something new.
Jindrak and O'haire were two big what ifs
I was sure big Rob Terry in TNA would make this list....
Everybody that Cornette thought was gonna be big from 2003 onwards.
At least Jindrak is big in Mexico, Matt Morgan could of been a main eventer in TNA but they never pulled the trigger on him, Kozlov could of been big if HHH would of helped him during there feud.
Just got on ya page yesterday hoping you had posted looks like my prayers have been answered lol
You’re still killling it. From London Kentucky
I just don't know why Matt Morgan didn't get over he was an athletic big guy, had ok mic skills, was passable in ring, had a great look and definitely had some charisma to him. Other people have gotten over with less than that
Because at the end of the day he didn't give a shit lol
He had the look but not the mindset for the business. Pretty simple
He has no charisma. He would have been huge in today's slim pickings but you had genuine main eventers back then. TNA constantly tried to push boring guys as new stars despite having homegrown main event quality guys and also being able to create them in ec3 and co.
What little charisma he had wasn't the type that made you like him or hate him. He was just nothing. Much too boring.
@arostwocents I have actually seen his promo work and he was not that bad. Either you just hate him period or your memory is terrible. Also if you do not like modern tna why take every fucking opportunity to bring then up?!
The Blueprint was actually very good in TNA at one point. They just never pulled the trigger. But I'm a firm believer that when those things happen, the company has good reason for what they are doing and most likely its based on reasons that have nothing to do with storylines or anything we would know about or take into account.
3:42 a wild Deathmatch King appears!
Its a bit of a shock Matt Morgan never won the TNA World Championship. It always seemed like he was on the verge, even as a transitional champion. Jindrak definitely should have been given another shot later on in an american promotion. ROH or even TNA would have been great. Koslov MIGHT have worked if they pulled the trigger that early but for say the US Championship instead (which was largely not up to much in late 2008). Have him learn on the job against the midcard where he isnt totally exposed
The DNA of TNA…… you were soooo close to, so close to
My favorite thing that matt morgan ever did was his solo run as tna tag champ. He was tagging with super mex when he turned on him. Then he began to call himself tag team champs and referring to himself as "we". That why i call him "venom matt morgan".
THANK YOU!!!!! love ur Japanese Pro Wrestling coverage, awesome to see u cover Ruthless Aggression content (My era)
The video game music in the back and the narration style remind me of Larry Bundy Jr videos. But also I remember actually like Mark Jindrak. Mainly because I grew up with smaxkdown during that period and was a huge kurt angle fan so anyone aligned with him was cool imo lol.
Could have added Nathan Jones and Heidenreich as well 😂
It’s bonkers I’ve been a day one TNA fan and i genuinely don’t remember Ryan Wilson lol. It’s like a full on Mandela effect for me.
Lmao a guy is featured who is part of a security v security feud, one of the worst things ever seen in wrestling 😂
Matt Morgan might be the most tragic one on this list, because despite going to TNA after WWE, it seemed like they never really strapped the rocket to him like they should there either.
He's a 7 foot giant that can move and talk, this shouldnt be that hard to make into a top guy. Yet that was the story for alot of guys in that early years of TNA.
Good video as always
There's room for a sequel to this surely? Rob Terry and Mason Ryan seem like they fit the categories.
Triple H dominated WWE for longer than Hogan did WCW. I genuinely believe he has cost the sport of wrestling more fans than any other guy in history. When they tried to make him a Face 😂
I was a weekly fan of WWF/E from late 1996 onwards. Gradually from late 2002 I started watching less and less, and with that bollocks finish to Summerslam 2003 elimination chaimber match, I cashed in my chips and stopped watching, and I haven't been back since.
Thanks for the amazing video ❤
Yes! I'll always remember the preview on patreon with the dread of having to tell what just happened with Brock.
I couldn't believe it. Literally the minute I put that preview up, worst possible timing
Brilliant and brilliant. You're getting me to say something I thought I never in forever would: Triple H is a good worker, lol.
The 2000s were such a weird era of generic tall jacked white dudes with shitty tattoos and spiked hair despite having a clearly receding hairline.
Morgan and Jindrack under WWE's current guise would be Main Eventers after a couple of years, they dropped the ball on so many back in the early 2000's
This is a good list, I like that for once, someone mentions that Jindrak had a great career in Mexico.
Another guy that would fit this idea would be Mason Ryan. Big Welsh guy that, for a while, looked like Batista 2.0.
4:37 wouldn't surprise me, Vince McMahon has a notoriously bad sense of humor
Trytan was pushed souch like that would be the next big monster, but that was gone in a flash
IMO, the worst of them was Trytan. He was big, lumbering, and had little to no charisma. Kozlov was a good worker in the right hands (I personally think they rushed him to main too quickly), and he had an underrated comedy presence that they never really used until he was with Santino post-push. Matt Morgan didn't really get the attention he needed until his TNA run, and I thought he was a good heel over there ("The Blueprint" is a fire gimmick, and the Hellevator and Carbon Footprint were both excellent finishers). Jindrak is the guy I saw the most in, and his work in CMLL as Marco Corleone proves that he was very capable of being a major heel character; but his stuff in WWE always veered into generic or derivative. Given that he was a WCW guy, and a younger one at that, I'm not surprised by the way it turned out for him.
13:02 just horrible big boot botch... 😆 🤣 😂
I genuinely loved Santino and Kozlov as a team.
Great video. I wasn't familiar with Wilson or Tryton or whatever his name was.
Okay the ribbing story killed me 😂
Actually, I think letting Matt Morgan do the moonsault as his finisher would've gotten him over huge, especially back then. Only Vader and the HeadHunters were the only big guys back then who did moonsaults, so that would've still been rare enough to get him over big.
I remember when I first watched CMLL and I was like "Holy shit, what? Mark Jindrak got big over there?" But in hindsight, Jindrak wasn't really bad. The problem is that he was too generic compared to his peers. His tag team with Sean O'Haire was promising, though, and I actually have plenty of fun booking O'Haire and Jindrak as a tag team in the WCW lives scenario in TEW, where I made them the enforcers in my own Horsemen stable, with Steve Corino as the leader and AJ Styles rounding up the group (with Flair as the mouthpiece, of course)
The moonsault would have been good! But hey-ho. Cornette gonna Cornette.
That seems to be a thing with most of the big guys covered here, apart from Trytan, none of them were BAD, they were just bland.
That would have popped me if he could consistently pull it off.
Man that man really loved Double Double E
So many clips of match endings on TH-cam i am noticing the guys shoulders werent down. They need to tighten up on it (as im sure they havent) as it looks awful.
Kozlov actually pinned Undertaker clean.
I was a huge Vladimir Kozlov mark as a kid, shame he wasn't very good in ring. Him getting stuck with a comedy gimmick was yet another reason I became a lapsed wrestling fan in 2010.
I was surprised to see Oleg Prudius (Kozlov) in TNA at that time. He looks fucking killer too. Sadly, he still isn't that great in the ring but it didn't really matter. He was protection for Dango and didn't stick around for too long.
Will you cover ajpw in keiji mutoh's pro wrestling love era
I asked that in a community post and that's kind of a no-go since SamuraiTV is just about as bad if not worse with copyright as NJPW on youtube. It's okay in Patreon apparently.
My favourite Matt Morgan thing was the Hellevator
The Matt Morgan thing is one of so many examples of Vince's pettiness actively making hos own product worse. "Sure let's bury one of our own talents just to spite Jim Cornette because I guess we hate him and don't respect his opinions."
I mean, I hate Jim Cornette and don't respect his opinions but I didn't make him head of my developmental territory now did I?
Where's the background music from when talking about tryton
Darn shame that Vladimir Kozlov never won the double double E championship
Ruthless Aggression Era, where Vince produced half a dozen mediocre white muscle men that nobody remembers.
The real question about Matt Morgan: why did he never finish his back tattoo?
I suppose Fully Covered Up Mideon was an improvement over his previous gimmick.
I was a a fan of mark jindrak on video games I made him wwe champion on svr 06 gm mode
Trytan, from the land of the little headed people
There is something about jindrak that reminds me of dijak...
'Trytan" lol
Chris Van Vliet rhymes with fleet
Love it all
I enjoy Cornettes podcast for his stories and personality but his opinions on many topics are from beyond the left field. Funny albeit completely delusional fella.
The Johnny ACE type of talent he loves alongside Vince
BIG,CHISEL,TALL and well good looking but they couldn’t work,cut a promo or lack a ton of charisma but they’ll get pushed anyways till Vince lost interest cause at course he did
Matt Morgan should have been a way bigger star than he was in WWE and TNA but everyone booked him wrong or gave him gimmicks that couldn't be taken seriously. A seven foot tall, highly athletic guy who cut good promos should have given Vince a raging hard on.
Worked a show in Havelock, NC that Matt Morgan was on. He gave me and a couple of my friends some great in-ring advice, which he learned from "The Rabid Wolverine" [REDACTED].
Paraphrasing slightly due to me forgetting the word-for-word quote (CTE, THC, and AGE are getting to me) :
"If you and your opponent are within 3 feet of each other and on your feet, and you're not trying to attack each other, you both look like pussies."
Wow if Morgan had used a moonsault i think he would have had at least something in TNA. His matches wouldnt have been a go and smoke time as the finisher would have been worth seeing. He was just a boring guy i didnt want to see and i think everyone else felt the same.
People saying he was worth something need to remember his nickname was Matt Boring in TNA.
Dude just because you thought Morgan sucked does not mean everyone thought he sucke so stop fucking assuming everyone has the same OPINION as you!
I find it funny they wanted to create the next brock lesnar and yet there is only one guy who did rivaled lesnar: 80s scott steiner for sure! To be fair my favorite put of these has to be monty brown but its a shame jarrett didn't pull the trigger and his career got cut short. Dude is still jacked nowadays!
I remember when World Wrestling All Stars try to make Nathan Jones "the guy" for the company...... that was a horrendous flop
Dude had the coolest vignettes pre-debut in the game though, the shots of him in the prison and using actual Australian news footage about him was some great stuff.
I was rewatching old MMA events awhile ago and Nathan Jones was actually on the first Pride card! He was obviously off the juice at the time and lost to Koji Kitao by a keylock in 2:14
Kozlov came around too early. Gunther is very similar and getting a massive push.
"Chris Van Vilay"? Never heard it pronounced that way. Lol
WWE and TNA both failed Matt Morgan. The latter underutilizing him like Big Show in the worst of ways while the former was just awful. Kozlov grew on me but he was definitely pushed too soon. I'm glad Mark had a great career in Mexico and I'm surprised he was part of los Inglonobles.
I was never a fan of wrestling companies pushing big green guys because of their "looks". To me, a wrestler should be pushed based on their skills and personality. Most big men lack both but that won't stop wrestling promotions from pushing them to the moon.
However I will admit that I like Matt Morgan and thought he was pretty good in the ring and he was good on the mic. However looking back I now see that he was ok in the ring but not amazing. His best match was with Kurt Angle, one of the best workers in wrestling.
MARCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CORLEOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Matt Morgan Is abel imagine wwe tag team champions kane and abel
Anytime i hear someone praise the Hellavator my immediate thought is Goto did it better
Someone needs to explain to this fella that it takes a lot more than being tall to make the NBA lmao, let’s just say this there’s a reason he didn’t name the prestigious school he attended and it’s not for being kicked out or anything like that but because no one including the scouts know anything about the college he went to
Vladimir Koslov could've been so much better, and Mark Jindrak's career was good. As for Matt Boring and Ryan Wilson? They weren't used right in my opinion.
That's not how you pronounce "vignette," LOL.
WWE had a horrible record for introducing ne stars. They always put these guys over experienced stars and they were nowhere near capable of carrying the spot. I think the only one I appreciated was Sheamus, and some of that was at the expense of Finlay which pissed me off at the time.
Kozlov could've been great.
Morgan was good in tna
Kim with the way wwe has changed are you still choosing not to watch WWE?
I’d like to say Triple H was also at fault for that terrible match
Just look at ANY of his main event or title matches from the time of Evolution to his retirement
The dude was OBSESSED with making himself out to be some great wrestler when to me he’s above average at best
He had to ALWAYS have a match go 30 minutes or longer even though he doesn’t have the moves to fill it
And for someone with his “claimed” strength the only power move he has is a spine buster
Outside of that he generally NEVER picks guy up higher then his knees
…I also found his self invoked title The Game stupid
It makes no sense and his great plans as a heel always amount to: hiring another wrestler to jump his future opponent, injuring them before the match, having help outside the ring, sneak attacks, or just generally stacking the deck in his favor
Stuff done by EVERY HEEL SINCE THE CARNY DAYS!
So what’s this so called game he plays better then most everybody else when it’s the same game used by every major heel since the beginning
Ahh yeah, the boring meat head era of wrestling
I never understood why TNA pushed Morgan so hard. He was so unbelievably boring to watch.
Matt boring
I remember wtching Matt Morgan wrestle for Shawn Michaels' promotion in San Antonio thinking he would make it big, as well as Daniel Bryan
Where's Rellik? Its killer spelled backwards. 😂
I prefer to call him Johnny "The Bull" Stambolli
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