I've read and watched many, many articles, documentaries, etc on intersex. This was by far one of the best. Well written and well-spoken, well received.
I am 46XX,46XY Thank you for your support God never rejected who I am only this world has. Forgiveness is always my major strength when I am rejected by my own earthly family because I was born both sexes then normalized to only one sex in order to bring comfort to those who refuse to accept the fact that we exist. Lying is a sin we exist and it’s ok that we do. Let us decide who we are. This is all I ask Thank you
That is so sad how cruel people can be. No one has the right to judge how a person was born. And to be conceited in their own lazy ignorance to lack the ability to be nurturing is even worse. I am happy for you that you don't have bitterness in your heart. You are truly wonderful and special. Don't ever let pride rule your heart. Let humbleness and love be at your core.
I AM AND WAS BORN INTERSXED. THE CHURCH HAS BEEN THE WORST ENEMY AGAINST MY BIOLOGICAL MAKEUP. I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH the Church for years. They even made me prive with Medical Documentation for my Condition. Knowing I really Love God, I worship Him but they really hurt me. Judged me, scorned me and criticized me. I want to come forward. Pray that I will. Silence no more. In Jesus Name.
AzrielTrei Chatman as someone who grew up in the church, I understand, I had gender dysphoria, and the treatment was horrendous. We are sometimes the absolute worst.. I pray that you receive real healing, understanding and inner peace in Christ. Blessings and Love.
That’s sad but predictable. Churches are so obsessed with sex that they can’t conceive of anything but the sex act when there are anatomical and biological differences. Churches hold us back. They always have.
Well thought, well written, and should be given widespread distribution. Most people have no idea that intersex people even exist, let alone how common they are among the broader population, nor how diverse individual situations may be.
Kids need to be taught that people can be born intersex, it's nothing to do with sexuality or sexual behaviours, it's biology and therefore not unsuitable for kids to learn about or know. Awareness leads to understanding, and then to acceptance. How dare any of us judge how any other human being was born? We have no right at all to do so. Love is what we should be displaying to one another, judgement, condemnation or denial are not our mandate.
Children do NOT need to be taught about a birth defect , they need to be left alone to have a care free childhood for as long as possible .children have a natural way of sorting out differences if it arises in there lives . This intersex birth defect is rare , the women is lying when she says it is not rare . I find American mind set extremely interfering to the point of being very intrusive , seems they just can’t mind there business EVER.
@@simpaticaism are your views consistent for other "birth defects"? Disability, impairment, facial or body differences? Do we not teach kids about any of these things? Kids live in a world filled with different types of people, not teaching them that leaves them unprepared to deal with those differences when they encounter them.
@@getmotivated1707 you missed the very point I made , CHILDREN make these discoveries as children growing up with all types of children who are different from themselves , they are neither stupid or blind . Children will ask if they want to know about anything that’s on their minds, they don’t need adults to jump the gun and fill their heads with issues they are NOT ready for . That is what groomers do .
They are born this way! They should never be shunned! They should never be judged! If your truly a Christian, you need to love them and make them feel saved, loved unconditionally, and cared for! God bless us all! We’re all different in all sorts of ways!
I am intersex, having been born with an ovary and testis. At ten years old I had my first surgery, the doctors failed to note the one testis was an ovary. As an adult that ovary became malignant with ovarian cancer. I live as a male but this is very hard for me. I did find a woman to love and we married and hard been so for over forty years. I'm not male nor female
David Micheletti me as well I am intersex too It’s not easy but it’s nice knowing we can admit who we are without fear of rejection. I am 46XX,46XY I hope nothing but joy and peace for you and your loved ones
I AM AND WAS BORN INTERSXED. THE CHURCH HAS BEEN THE WORST ENEMY AGAINST MY BIOLOGICAL MAKEUP. I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH the Church for years. They even made me prive with Medical Documentation for my Condition. Knowing I really Love God, I worship Him but they really hurt me. Judged me, scorned me and criticized me. I want to come forward. Pray that I will. Silence no more. In Jesus Name.
There's a scripture that says I knew you before you were formed in the womb That you are fearfully and wonderfully made. We are also made in the image of God. How is inersex against the church and the bible from the very scriptures? If God allows you to be born this way, is God wrong, and man has to fix it? Or does God actually have a purpose for all people, period.
I was born with hypospadias and had no urethra opening and had my first operation the day I was born. It was was a very small opening maybe 1 mm maximum and I was very insecure about it. My Grandpa was a preacher and I attended church for the first 16 years until I was old enough to get a job away from home. My church was very unusual in that when we were children they gave us New Testaments and told us to read the old testament for history and live our lives by the new testament. I have not found a church like that since most spend their time preaching from the old testament which is from the Jewish Torah and this doesn't make them Christian's! When I was 30 years old a urologist discovered my small opening and operated on it to opened it up. At 67 years old it was discovered that I had a Baseball size Bladder stone, that I most likely had from birth, I was under anesthesia for 8 hrs while they laser blasted it. I learned about hypospadias by reading the Merck Manual in the library and about Intersex by searching Wikipedia then I discovered the causes in Wikipedia I have Stub Thumb on my right hand with a swirl fingerprint, all the others are loops. This means I am a chimera with my tween sister.
Unusually clear and precise conveyance of information. Accurate information. Comprehensive. Great video. However the old testament and the new testament have never required much of us. They can safely be ignored. Millions of people have never even heard of them.
Amen to this speech! It is time that the church as well as society as a whole learn to accept not just intersex people and those who are gay, lesbian, queer, and bisexual, but anyone who may be different in one way or another. It doesn't matter if you are disabled, it doesn't matter if you are autistic, it doesn't matter if you are intersex, etc. The world and the church need to accept our differences no matter what without shame, without fear of hell, without calling us sinners, and without forcing us to change who we are when God supposedly loves us just as we are because we are always told that He created us and gave us life. if God hates who we are and how we were born, than why did He allows us to exist?
It's sad how we've tried so hard to ignore the fact that there are as many people born with mixed genders as there are those with red hair. We need to be more mature than that. Children should never be mutilated for the sake of society's embarrassment of some supposed standard. I look forward to the age when we admit we cannot tell someone what their gender ID is and so assume they are intersex until we do have that ability via technology. Treat people, regardless of their bodies or minds, as you would like to be treated. namaste
Val Hiebert, How real and clear you make it. Thank you for this candid, comprehensive exposure of an (at best ) only partially understood condition, so many millions are born with. That such persons, due to the limited understanding / acceptance of their state, by their parents, guardians, public at large, have had till recently, been surgically altered, mostly with no say in the matter. Apart from the physical agony, they have suffered the pain of rejection, due only to appearing different from the norm, in many ways. Talk about man’s inhumanity to man. Talks like yours are vitally needed to right the wrongs committed by the improperly informed or by perverse persons. Supporting such persons has to be every nation’s policy the way that the LGBT+ is now accepted and protected. Schoolchildren should also be taught to care for such ‘special’ persons, as they would for the old / invalids. Understanding only, can rectify such wrongs. And what took us so long???
I have a relative who after I brought up the topic of Intersex, joked about their ability to “have sex with themselves”. He is a devout Catholic. It’s painful to watch the ignorance that Religion can sometimes promote. It appeared that he had no interest in educating himself on the matter and blamed it all on people being “woke”.
This video is THE BEST one I've seen on this topic. In fact, I shared it on my FB page just now to help some family and friends understand better. Thank you!
I am XXY but they did not find out until I was past 50. Lots of people thought I was gay. I was just a very feminine person that had early on been forced to live as male. I'm not LGBT... or any of that. I'm just me. There will be no marriage or sexual relationships.
Intersex people are beautiful people created by God, and God never makes mistakes. Any church that rejects these people are not the followers of Jesus Christ Our Saviour Amen
Extremely well done presentation of the issue of intersex and the church. I find the logic of Matt 19:12 to be helpful, viz., however God made them in the beginning, it is not necessarily the way he makes them now. As an aside, to make oneself a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake is to intentionally take on a kind of spiritually intersex role. But regardless, natural intersex must be viewed by the church as a good and natural thing.
If you get a chance, please read my article on intersex as it relates to Christianity and faith. Enclosed below is the direct link to my article. Daphany DuBois daphanydubois.home.blog/2018/10/23/intersex-the-christian-viewpoint/
Daphany DuBois Read it. Not sure God wants people to have a sex reassignment. Too me they are eunuchs. Not a eunuchs as you described. Considering both. Hate how the lgbt tried to claim them as gay. You say it is imposible for them to be so...maybe that is why you shouldn't perform surgeries on them. Pidgeon speaks was born intersex, operated on, feels he/she was improperly identified with the sex reassignment ...and now identifies as gay.... So maybe just leave their body alone. You don't perform surgery on down syndrome folks just because they were born that way so maybe forced sex reassignment at birth isn't wise either.
xcellent video, well spoken, all encompassing. The only tiny mistake is that xy chromosomes can be intersex too. I am intersex as you may know already! Sally my friend and ally, you will never be forgotten, neither will jemma! Neither will max!Intersex united! The times they are a changing, thx to all who help us intersex! 😎
While not morally wrong, intersex is not normal any more then trisomy 21 is. Something has gone genetically and/or chromosomally awry. Intersex individuals should be given the same respect, acceptance and compassion that any individual born with a biological disorder is. It is shameful to judge or ostracize them.
Thank you so much for your explanation. Hoping those trying hard moralist would be enlighten and that they would understand better. So many people are so greedy enough to share their understandings and acceptance.
Perhaps this idea that there is a "true" sex may be an erroneous assumption. I think that was one of Val Hiebert's main points, that we may not always be able to identify a sex that a person has. In other words, perhaps you may not _have_ a "true" sex. If haven't already, perhaps you might want do what you can to get genetic testing? That will tell you what your genotype is. That may give you some information about what is going on, on a cellular level, on a level too small to be seen without a powerful microscope, information that you can not see by looking at your overall physical form (phenotype), your feelings, and your behavior.
*I consider the St. Matthew **19:12** eunuch lesson applicable to Judy.* Y'shua answered the Sanhedrin concerning divorce (vv. 3-9), and the disciples over-reacted in the same direction (v. 10), thus the correction in v. 11-12.
This should make people rethink what they have been taught about the LGBTAs. After all, we have seen people born with extra limbs, conjoined, limbs that are not fully formed. How is it that religions can not accept that people are born into their orientation? Is their need to be right, or what they were taught right, overthrow science and medical history? I have met an intersex person. By looking at her you would think she was trans. But she is not. She was born with both genitalia. Her mind is female. I am asexual and aromantic. I only mention that because I was a Christian. I was often told that I was supposed to marry and have kids when deep inside I prayed that I would never be with someone I did not love. Well, I am now agnostic and better for it. I no longer think that the bible is the word of god. I don't even know if there is a god or not. But I do believe that there is some neutral higher power that really does not care about stuff like that. It does not want or need our worship or religion. It accepts us for who we are. That power created me to be alone and happy. It created gay people. It created straight people. That was it's job, creation. What we do with that, and how we treat each other is up to us.
I also have a very strong aversion to sexual orientation being made a part of the discussion of intersex people. Your sex and your sexuality are two different things, there is no need to conflate the two things. Doing so makes it harder to teach children about the existence of this biological phenomenon, sexual activity has no place in the basic discussion of biological sex. The sexualisation and/or fetishising of a biological reality is unfair and harmful, intersex and transgender are not sexual orientations, we need to stop speaking as if they are the same as LGB or Q.
All of the bigots who say, "God doesn't make mistakes," are actually right--just not in the way they think. God creates a wide spectrum of people, not all of whom can be placed into convenient cubby holes. Simply put, God is much more creative than many of His followers would like Him to be.
IIntersex people need someone to help them launch a class action lawsuit against the people who push and perform mutilation of their genitals at birth.
Intersex kids born are one in 300 births!!!! Like gay or trans, they are born that way and it's nobody's fault. No judgement. Judgement by parents is one of the worst experiences a child can endure.
I AM AND WAS BORN INTERSXED. THE CHURCH HAS BEEN THE WORST ENEMY AGAINST MY BIOLOGICAL MAKEUP. I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH the Church for years. They even made me prive with Medical Documentation for my Condition. Knowing I really Love God, I worship Him but they really hurt me. Judged me, scorned me and criticized me. I want to come forward. Pray that I will. Silence no more. In Jesus Name.
I heartily agree, Val, that Bible-believing Christians should love and respect all fellow humans as created in God's image, regardless of what they say, do or believe, or what crosses they bear, including stigma from others or birth anomalies (e.g., cleft pallets, spina bifida, intersex genitals, etc.). I also agree with Jesus that "in the beginning God made them male and female" (Matt. 19:4), regardless of Alfred Kinsey's spectum of sexual orientations or John Money's notion that gender is socially constructed. Don't you suggest male and female binary genders when you speak of a baby with a mico-penis (or enlarged clitoris?) and ovaries? When you describe such people as "unwelcome" and "unwanted" in our churches, are you merely parroting the understandings of secularists, or are you reporting the "feelings" of these people and their parents? Over the years I have spoken from the pulpits of hundreds of Canadian and American churches, and some in Europe and India. I have yet to encounter one that does not welcome everyone. I don't know how others there felt, but I know I've always felt welcome, whether I was speaking or not. Is your title not a category mistake to confuse "feeling" welcome with "being" welcome?
You have made a terrible Bible and logic error. My guess is that the logic part won't bother you, but the Bible part possibly will. You refer, as Christians so often do, to how God made them in the beginning. But we don't live 'in the beginning,' we live now, just as Jesus acknowledged in Matt 19:12 in referring to "eunuchs which were so born..." Furthermore, to make yourself a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake is to intentionally take on a kind of spiritually intersex role. The implication of the video is absolutely correct, intersex is not a 'bad' thing, no matter how you look at it.
You have made a terrible Bible and logic error in your criticism of this video. My guess is that the logic part won't bother you, but the Bible part possibly will. You refer, as Christians so often do, to how God made them in the beginning.as though that is the only way he makes them now or is the only way we should see them now. But we don't live 'in the beginning,' we live now, just as Jesus acknowledged in Matt 19:12 in referring to "eunuchs which were so born..." Furthermore, to make yourself a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake is to intentionally take on a kind of spiritually intersex role. The implication of the video is absolutely correct, intersex is not a 'bad' thing, no matter how you look at it.
This condition has been around for a very long time. Intersex is a biological state and is proven by science. We have never proven the etiology of homosexuality. I'm not sure I will be alive when it is truly found but I wish I knew the answer.
@@AlexMint tbh it's not suppose to be under the umbrella bc it is not a condition of the mind and how they only feel, but rather a condition of the sex chromosomes! This isn't a gay issue, but ignorant people such as yourself think it's a gay issue! They put it under the umbrella to try to categories intersex under transgender, but it's not the same!
@@iyeshamendez8787 _“It’s not a condition of the mind/how you feel”_ That’s a definition that you made up yourself and isn’t actually what LGBTQ+ is about. It isn’t about the self-perception of gender and sexuality alone, or a “condition of the mind.” It’s about the individuals whose harmless existence and way of life defies what is considered the standard binary of “man and woman,” be it because of people being attracted to the same sex rather than the opposite, people lacking attraction and desire of any sort, people whose gender identity differs from their birth sex, or people whose birth sex lies somehow in between the binary. In other words, what all of these have in common is that they break the model of “man and woman,” whether it’s “man and man” “woman and woman” “man/woman and neither” “man/woman and both” “man to woman” “woman to man” “woman/man to neither” or just “neither” in the first place. So, by the _actual_ definition of what LGBTQ+ is about, intersex _does_ qualify.
People born that way are meant to serve God and be single since there un able marriage or fitting the standards of being either a husband or wife that’s really sad
@@kyathomas8887 who said intersex ppl can’t marry? They are able to marry if they find a willing and loving partner. They deserve love, and marriage if the chose.
How do I approach this ? I’m trying to make sense of the two gender model , presented in the Bible , and reality . And then who the hell came up with came up with the only two gender rule , that everyone abides by . Then to really muddy the water , there are the transgender community . Witch god did not create ! Psychologists may try to lump them together like everyone else but that hipocricy needs to be dis avoud . And then making this change known in the Bible wielding community ! You know the Catholic Church did this , you do know this , don’t you ? How utterly barbaric ! Oh , don’t get me wrong , because there are some truths in the Bible . But this isn’t one of them . This is (I suspect) the opinion of a misguided monk .
So, is an intersex person neither cis nor trans, either?? A third way, somewhere along the range of human sexuality? Conflating physical sexes with personality sexes is not scientifically accurate, is it?
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I've read and watched many, many articles, documentaries, etc on intersex. This was by far one of the best. Well written and well-spoken, well received.
Very well done. Thoughtfully and intelligently spoken from a caring heart, a much needed perspective in our churches. Thanks.
I am 46XX,46XY
Thank you for your support
God never rejected who I am only this world has.
Forgiveness is always my major strength when I am rejected by my own earthly family because I was born both sexes then normalized to only one sex in order to bring comfort to those who refuse to accept the fact that we exist.
Lying is a sin we exist and it’s ok that we do. Let us decide who we are. This is all I ask
Thank you
Thank you ❤😊
That is so sad how cruel people can be. No one has the right to judge how a person was born. And to be conceited in their own lazy ignorance to lack the ability to be nurturing is even worse. I am happy for you that you don't have bitterness in your heart. You are truly wonderful and special. Don't ever let pride rule your heart. Let humbleness and love be at your core.
I AM AND WAS BORN INTERSXED. THE CHURCH HAS BEEN THE WORST ENEMY AGAINST MY BIOLOGICAL MAKEUP. I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH the Church for years. They even made me prive with Medical Documentation for my Condition. Knowing I really Love God, I worship Him but they really hurt me. Judged me, scorned me and criticized me. I want to come forward.
Pray that I will.
Silence no more.
In Jesus Name.
AzrielTrei Chatman as someone who grew up in the church, I understand, I had gender dysphoria, and the treatment was horrendous. We are sometimes the absolute worst.. I pray that you receive real healing, understanding and inner peace in Christ. Blessings and Love.
I am so sorry and God loves you
Dont mind those kind of thinking. It's becUse they know less.
Why don't you leave the church? Go where you are loved.
That’s sad but predictable. Churches are so obsessed with sex that they can’t conceive of anything but the sex act when there are anatomical and biological differences. Churches hold us back. They always have.
As an intersex person this hits incredibly close to home, thank you.
Well thought, well written, and should be given widespread distribution. Most people have no idea that intersex people even exist, let alone how common they are among the broader population, nor how diverse individual situations may be.
Thank you... struggling now but biggest issue is gaining access to help
Kids need to be taught that people can be born intersex, it's nothing to do with sexuality or sexual behaviours, it's biology and therefore not unsuitable for kids to learn about or know. Awareness leads to understanding, and then to acceptance. How dare any of us judge how any other human being was born? We have no right at all to do so. Love is what we should be displaying to one another, judgement, condemnation or denial are not our mandate.
Thank you. Agree 💯
Children do NOT need to be taught about a birth defect , they need to be left alone to have a care free childhood for as long as possible .children have a natural way of sorting out differences if it arises in there lives . This intersex birth defect is rare , the women is lying when she says it is not rare . I find American mind set extremely interfering to the point of being very intrusive , seems they just can’t mind there business EVER.
@@simpaticaism are your views consistent for other "birth defects"? Disability, impairment, facial or body differences? Do we not teach kids about any of these things? Kids live in a world filled with different types of people, not teaching them that leaves them unprepared to deal with those differences when they encounter them.
@@getmotivated1707 you missed the very point I made , CHILDREN make these discoveries as children growing up with all types of children who are different from themselves , they are neither stupid or blind . Children will ask if they want to know about anything that’s on their minds, they don’t need adults to jump the gun and fill their heads with issues they are NOT ready for . That is what groomers do .
@simpaticaism what makes you think children are not "ready" to learn about different types of people? "Othering" minorities is grooming.
They are born this way! They should never be shunned! They should never be judged! If your truly a Christian, you need to love them and make them feel saved, loved unconditionally, and cared for! God bless us all! We’re all different in all sorts of ways!
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Yeah but they are… it’s even WORSE THAT THEY ARE LUMPED IN WITH LGBTQ…
Thank you for speaking out for intersex people and educating people about it
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I am intersex, having been born with an ovary and testis. At ten years old I had my first surgery, the doctors failed to note the one testis was an ovary. As an adult that ovary became malignant with ovarian cancer. I live as a male but this is very hard for me. I did find a woman to love and we married and hard been so for over forty years.
I'm not male nor female
That's kind of cool
David Micheletti i feel you. Stay strong David. God is with you. May he heal you from the cancer in Jesus name
David Micheletti
me as well I am intersex too
It’s not easy but it’s nice knowing we can admit who we are without fear of rejection.
I am 46XX,46XY
I hope nothing but joy and peace for you and your loved ones
Ge E Amen
I AM AND WAS BORN INTERSXED. THE CHURCH HAS BEEN THE WORST ENEMY AGAINST MY BIOLOGICAL MAKEUP. I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH the Church for years. They even made me prive with Medical Documentation for my Condition. Knowing I really Love God, I worship Him but they really hurt me. Judged me, scorned me and criticized me. I want to come forward.
Pray that I will.
Silence no more.
In Jesus Name.
I hope and wish for the day that humanity can just accept each other for what we are...a person/ just people
There's a scripture that says
I knew you before you were formed in the womb
That you are fearfully and wonderfully made.
We are also made in the image of God.
How is inersex against the church and the bible from the very scriptures?
If God allows you to be born this way, is God wrong, and man has to fix it?
Or does God actually have a purpose for all people, period.
why npot let the person make his or her own decision?
Thank you so much for that comment.😊
Because going back 70 years..the church regarded intersex children as spawn of the devil
What? This is not about making a decision.
Great I loved your words and yes I found a church that truly loves the LBGTI because i am one of them and God loves me also as i am.
I'm hoping to find an LGBT excepting church too
My non-binary friend found hope in a welcoming UU church. I'm curious if Quakers are also as welcoming.
AnOpenThought a church should love everyone
But definitely shouldn't accept every belief
Amen God does love everyone ! 💝
What church is this? This is the one i want to attend. I love God more than those people who are so judgemental
I was born with hypospadias and had no urethra opening and had my first operation the day I was born. It was was a very small opening maybe 1 mm maximum and I was very insecure about it. My Grandpa was a preacher and I attended church for the first 16 years until I was old enough to get a job away from home. My church was very unusual in that when we were children they gave us New Testaments and told us to read the old testament for history and live our lives by the new testament. I have not found a church like that since most spend their time preaching from the old testament which is from the Jewish Torah and this doesn't make them Christian's! When I was 30 years old a urologist discovered my small opening and operated on it to opened it up. At 67 years old it was discovered that I had a Baseball size Bladder stone, that I most likely had from birth, I was under anesthesia for 8 hrs while they laser blasted it. I learned about hypospadias by reading the Merck Manual in the library and about Intersex by searching Wikipedia then I discovered the causes in Wikipedia I have Stub Thumb on my right hand with a swirl fingerprint, all the others are loops. This means I am a chimera with my tween sister.
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im an intersex christian, God constantly shows me that he loves me and thats a fact!
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Unusually clear and precise conveyance of information. Accurate information. Comprehensive. Great video. However the old testament and the new testament have never required much of us. They can safely be ignored. Millions of people have never even heard of them.
Amen to this speech! It is time that the church as well as society as a whole learn to accept not just intersex people and those who are gay, lesbian, queer, and bisexual, but anyone who may be different in one way or another. It doesn't matter if you are disabled, it doesn't matter if you are autistic, it doesn't matter if you are intersex, etc. The world and the church need to accept our differences no matter what without shame, without fear of hell, without calling us sinners, and without forcing us to change who we are when God supposedly loves us just as we are because we are always told that He created us and gave us life. if God hates who we are and how we were born, than why did He allows us to exist?
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Thank you so much for your informing and thoughtful talk Val Hiebert
Very well reasoned and presented. Thank you.
It's sad how we've tried so hard to ignore the fact that there are as many people born with mixed genders as there are those with red hair. We need to be more mature than that. Children should never be mutilated for the sake of society's embarrassment of some supposed standard. I look forward to the age when we admit we cannot tell someone what their gender ID is and so assume they are intersex until we do have that ability via technology. Treat people, regardless of their bodies or minds, as you would like to be treated. namaste
We have the ability. Chromosomes.
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@@cathykrueger4899 If you take the time to write it'd be better if you studied the subject first.
Val Hiebert, How real and clear you make it. Thank you for this candid, comprehensive
exposure of an (at best ) only partially understood condition, so many millions are born with.
That such persons, due to the limited understanding / acceptance of their state, by their
parents, guardians, public at large, have had till recently, been surgically altered, mostly
with no say in the matter. Apart from the physical agony, they have suffered the pain of
rejection, due only to appearing different from the norm, in many ways.
Talk about man’s inhumanity to man. Talks like yours are vitally needed to right the
wrongs committed by the improperly informed or by perverse persons. Supporting such
persons has to be every nation’s policy the way that the LGBT+ is now accepted and
protected. Schoolchildren should also be taught to care for such ‘special’ persons, as
they would for the old / invalids. Understanding only, can rectify such wrongs.
And what took us so long???
Fascinating. Jesus bless
I have a relative who after I brought up the topic of Intersex, joked about their ability to “have sex with themselves”. He is a devout Catholic. It’s painful to watch the ignorance that Religion can sometimes promote. It appeared that he had no interest in educating himself on the matter and blamed it all on people being “woke”.
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This video is THE BEST one I've seen on this topic. In fact, I shared it on my FB page just now to help some family and friends understand better. Thank you!
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I'm a transgender women and I have a intersex friend. And I give her love and support.
Great talk, Dr. Thank you, dear, this is very educative and humanist. God bless you, gorgeous.
I am XXY but they did not find out until I was past 50. Lots of people thought I was gay. I was just a very feminine person that had early on been forced to live as male. I'm not LGBT... or any of that. I'm just me. There will be no marriage or sexual relationships.
Why not?
Do you have mixed gonadal dysgenisis? I'm just curious
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This is so sad.... People go through so much, no one asks for this Only God knows
Thank you
Self entitled social systems are disturbing
This was awesome. You are so right.
Intersex people are beautiful people created by God, and God never makes mistakes. Any church that rejects these people are not the followers of Jesus Christ Our Saviour Amen
Well spoken Hallelujah God bless you
Extremely well done presentation of the issue of intersex and the church. I find the logic of Matt 19:12 to be helpful, viz., however God made them in the beginning, it is not necessarily the way he makes them now. As an aside, to make oneself a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake is to intentionally take on a kind of spiritually intersex role. But regardless, natural intersex must be viewed by the church as a good and natural thing.
If you get a chance, please read my article on intersex as it relates to Christianity and faith.
Enclosed below is the direct link to my article.
Daphany DuBois
daphanydubois.home.blog/2018/10/23/intersex-the-christian-viewpoint/
Daphany DuBois Read it. Not sure God wants people to have a sex reassignment. Too me they are eunuchs. Not a eunuchs as you described. Considering both. Hate how the lgbt tried to claim them as gay. You say it is imposible for them to be so...maybe that is why you shouldn't perform surgeries on them. Pidgeon speaks was born intersex, operated on, feels he/she was improperly identified with the sex reassignment ...and now identifies as gay.... So maybe just leave their body alone. You don't perform surgery on down syndrome folks just because they were born that way so maybe forced sex reassignment at birth isn't wise either.
Well done
Bless you!!!
Excellent video. Thank you!
xcellent video, well spoken, all encompassing. The only tiny mistake is that xy chromosomes can be intersex too. I am intersex as you may know already! Sally my friend and ally, you will never be forgotten, neither will jemma! Neither will max!Intersex united! The times they are a changing, thx to all who help us intersex! 😎
God bless
While not morally wrong, intersex is not normal any more then trisomy 21 is. Something has gone genetically and/or chromosomally awry. Intersex individuals should be given the same respect, acceptance and compassion that any individual born with a biological disorder is. It is shameful to judge or ostracize them.
Thank you so much for your explanation. Hoping those trying hard moralist would be enlighten and that they would understand better. So many people are so greedy enough to share their understandings and acceptance.
I look female but feel male and I'm truly unsure about my true sex.
Perhaps this idea that there is a "true" sex may be an erroneous assumption. I think that was one of Val Hiebert's main points, that we may not always be able to identify a sex that a person has. In other words, perhaps you may not _have_ a "true" sex. If haven't already, perhaps you might want do what you can to get genetic testing? That will tell you what your genotype is. That may give you some information about what is going on, on a cellular level, on a level too small to be seen without a powerful microscope, information that you can not see by looking at your overall physical form (phenotype), your feelings, and your behavior.
Just like an angel 😇 who are both sexes
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If someone is born intersex, but physical look more masculine but rather to be woman. Can they choose the sex they want to have intermcay with?
Just like you, they know who they are attracted to.
Evryone is children of God! God take us as we are
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You are beautiful as you are!!
*I consider the St. Matthew **19:12** eunuch lesson applicable to Judy.* Y'shua answered the Sanhedrin concerning divorce (vv. 3-9), and the disciples over-reacted in the same direction (v. 10), thus the correction in v. 11-12.
Just text froma, manmade, religious fairytale....
This should make people rethink what they have been taught about the LGBTAs. After all, we have seen people born with extra limbs, conjoined, limbs that are not fully formed. How is it that religions can not accept that people are born into their orientation? Is their need to be right, or what they were taught right, overthrow science and medical history? I have met an intersex person. By looking at her you would think she was trans. But she is not. She was born with both genitalia. Her mind is female. I am asexual and aromantic. I only mention that because I was a Christian. I was often told that I was supposed to marry and have kids when deep inside I prayed that I would never be with someone I did not love. Well, I am now agnostic and better for it. I no longer think that the bible is the word of god. I don't even know if there is a god or not. But I do believe that there is some neutral higher power that really does not care about stuff like that. It does not want or need our worship or religion. It accepts us for who we are. That power created me to be alone and happy. It created gay people. It created straight people. That was it's job, creation. What we do with that, and how we treat each other is up to us.
There is a person behind this phone !!!
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I also have a very strong aversion to sexual orientation being made a part of the discussion of intersex people. Your sex and your sexuality are two different things, there is no need to conflate the two things. Doing so makes it harder to teach children about the existence of this biological phenomenon, sexual activity has no place in the basic discussion of biological sex. The sexualisation and/or fetishising of a biological reality is unfair and harmful, intersex and transgender are not sexual orientations, we need to stop speaking as if they are the same as LGB or Q.
All of the bigots who say, "God doesn't make mistakes," are actually right--just not in the way they think. God creates a wide spectrum of people, not all of whom can be placed into convenient cubby holes. Simply put, God is much more creative than many of His followers would like Him to be.
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IIntersex people need someone to help them launch a class action lawsuit against the people who push and perform mutilation of their genitals at birth.
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Intersex kids born are one in 300 births!!!! Like gay or trans, they are born that way and it's nobody's fault. No judgement. Judgement by parents is one of the worst experiences a child can endure.
Why should hemaphrodites have to be gratiqued by church lady or activists. This world is backwards.
You just critiqued intersex persons by addressing them as "hermaphrodites" Good job, church lady
Amen !
What Christian text are you reading that these people
look sex has always been the church hang up
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That’s my problem I was born intersex
I AM AND WAS BORN INTERSXED. THE CHURCH HAS BEEN THE WORST ENEMY AGAINST MY BIOLOGICAL MAKEUP. I HAVE STRUGGLED WITH the Church for years. They even made me prive with Medical Documentation for my Condition. Knowing I really Love God, I worship Him but they really hurt me. Judged me, scorned me and criticized me. I want to come forward.
Pray that I will.
Silence no more.
In Jesus Name.
I heartily agree, Val, that Bible-believing Christians should love and respect all fellow humans as created in God's image, regardless of what they say, do or believe, or what crosses they bear, including stigma from others or birth anomalies (e.g., cleft pallets, spina bifida, intersex genitals, etc.).
I also agree with Jesus that "in the beginning God made them male and female" (Matt. 19:4), regardless of Alfred Kinsey's spectum of sexual orientations or John Money's notion that gender is socially constructed.
Don't you suggest male and female binary genders when you speak of a baby with a mico-penis (or enlarged clitoris?) and ovaries? When you describe such people as "unwelcome" and "unwanted" in our churches, are you merely parroting the understandings of secularists, or are you reporting the "feelings" of these people and their parents? Over the years I have spoken from the pulpits of hundreds of Canadian and American churches, and some in Europe and India. I have yet to encounter one that does not welcome everyone. I don't know how others there felt, but I know I've always felt welcome, whether I was speaking or not. Is your title not a category mistake to confuse "feeling" welcome with "being" welcome?
You have made a terrible Bible and logic error. My guess is that the logic part won't bother you, but the Bible part possibly will. You refer, as Christians so often do, to how God made them in the beginning. But we don't live 'in the beginning,' we live now, just as Jesus acknowledged in Matt 19:12 in referring to "eunuchs which were so born..." Furthermore, to make yourself a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake is to intentionally take on a kind of spiritually intersex role. The implication of the video is absolutely correct, intersex is not a 'bad' thing, no matter how you look at it.
You have made a terrible Bible and logic error in your criticism of this video. My guess is that the logic part won't bother you, but the Bible part possibly will. You refer, as Christians so often do, to how God made them in the beginning.as though that is the only way he makes them now or is the only way we should see them now. But we don't live 'in the beginning,' we live now, just as Jesus acknowledged in Matt 19:12 in referring to "eunuchs which were so born..." Furthermore, to make yourself a eunuch for the kingdom of heaven's sake is to intentionally take on a kind of spiritually intersex role. The implication of the video is absolutely correct, intersex is not a 'bad' thing, no matter how you look at it.
Al, Christians have literally tried to kill me because I grew boobs when I wasn't "supposed to". Don't blame secular people on your dirty laundry.
you are clearly not intersex and have not had the experience of being rejected
I am a trans gender man and I don't know what sex I am for sure.
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This condition has been around for a very long time. Intersex is a biological state and is proven by science. We have never proven the etiology of homosexuality. I'm not sure I will be alive when it is truly found but I wish I knew the answer.
Intersex and LGBTQIA are not the same!!!
Hey chucklenuts, the I stands for intersex. Then again, maybe logic isn't your strong suit if you're actually eating borax.
@@AlexMint tbh it's not suppose to be under the umbrella bc it is not a condition of the mind and how they only feel, but rather a condition of the sex chromosomes! This isn't a gay issue, but ignorant people such as yourself think it's a gay issue! They put it under the umbrella to try to categories intersex under transgender, but it's not the same!
mary sunshine Absolutely
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_“It’s not a condition of the mind/how you feel”_
That’s a definition that you made up yourself and isn’t actually what LGBTQ+ is about. It isn’t about the self-perception of gender and sexuality alone, or a “condition of the mind.” It’s about the individuals whose harmless existence and way of life defies what is considered the standard binary of “man and woman,” be it because of people being attracted to the same sex rather than the opposite, people lacking attraction and desire of any sort, people whose gender identity differs from their birth sex, or people whose birth sex lies somehow in between the binary.
In other words, what all of these have in common is that they break the model of “man and woman,” whether it’s “man and man” “woman and woman” “man/woman and neither” “man/woman and both” “man to woman” “woman to man” “woman/man to neither” or just “neither” in the first place. So, by the _actual_ definition of what LGBTQ+ is about, intersex _does_ qualify.
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Read Matthew 19:12
People born that way are meant to serve God and be single since there un able marriage or fitting the standards of being either a husband or wife that’s really sad
@@kyathomas8887 who said intersex ppl can’t marry? They are able to marry if they find a willing and loving partner. They deserve love, and marriage if the chose.
Or any other fairytale?
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no room for true androgynder either
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How do I approach this ?
I’m trying to make sense of the two gender model , presented in the Bible , and reality . And then who the hell came up with came up with the only two gender rule , that everyone abides by .
Then to really muddy the water , there are the transgender community . Witch god did not create ! Psychologists may try to lump them together like everyone else but that hipocricy needs to be dis avoud .
And then making this change known in the Bible wielding community !
You know the Catholic Church did this , you do know this , don’t you ?
How utterly barbaric !
Oh , don’t get me wrong , because there are some truths in the Bible . But this isn’t one of them . This is (I suspect) the opinion of a misguided monk .
So, is an intersex person neither cis nor trans, either?? A third way, somewhere along the range of human sexuality? Conflating physical sexes with personality sexes is not scientifically accurate, is it?
Intersex is different from queer!
Gods punishment
That means you are God’s punishment to your parents.
Amen!