No matter what colour of government we have in the UK, they don't want 'working people' to have cars, they want us to use public transport which is rubbish in most of the country
@ quite a small community, many of who have worked for Vauxhall Vans for years (it’s all that they produce now locally). The population is 225,000 estimated, so to potentially lose 1,100 jobs in a small area will be hard. There is a small population of garages and mechanics, and not loads of jobs to go to that require a skill… apart from the airport, Vauxhall is the main employer
@MrAshleydickens ah okay I see, thank you for replying. I hope that those 1,100 are assisted in finding new jobs and your community isn't too harshly impacted
Very good commentary Joel. Government has to realise it's the buying public who ultimately make decisions on buying electric cars. In absence of other conditions being right: e.g. lack of both public/home charging infrastructure, untested battery longevity, most people's economic situations and even their objecting to the excessive over nannying driver 'aids' in modern cars ...Government may find it cannot achieve what it is pushing too hard for. Certainly, our MSM argument that if our tiny country doesn't change it's vehicle propulsion systems overnight, the World will explode in crazy weather as a result, has been rumbled...
I leased my first EV, a VW ID.4, in January 2022. I'm now preparing to return it in February 2025 and switch back to a petrol vehicle. I’m the kind of person who likes to try new things, even if it might not work out, just for the experience and knowledge-in this case, owning an EV. Unfortunately, it wasn’t a great experience. The charging network is abysmal, public chargers are outrageously expensive, and the range is disappointing. Even something as simple as turning on the heated seats could reduce the range by 5-10 miles. I’m definitely looking forward to going back to petrol.
@@jayjayaseelan7441Do you really think that a phone battery with a tiny charge is comparable to a metric ton of wet chemicals in a metal box under your car doing 60 mph? Because it really isn’t. Solid state vs liquid phase. Not the same chemistry.
I live in the remotest part of the North of Scotland. Our Government set up Chargepoint Scotland 12 years ago. Low cost charging is in every village. The network is currently being upgraded to faster charging units.
At last someone talking sense about the ZEV mandate and the whole issue of EV's. Not only Vauxhall and Ford are struggling but Nissan are also in a precarious position in the UK. In Germany VW are also closing down plants and Audi in Belgium. Governments should never try to dictate what industry should manufacture. As far as emmisions regarding EV's what people don't want to admit is that they are just moving the emissions from their environment to the poor people where these minerals are being mined with massive earth excavators which use fossil fuels and then the large diesel trucks moving those rare earth minerals to refining plants and then on to the battery manufactuers. This is then followed by the transportation of the batteries to the car manufacturing plants. Then you have all the components being delivered to those plants , steel, plastics etc. (and the emissions that are produced in their manufacture.) Then you have the actual cars having to be shipped to all parts of the world and so on it goes. So any EV owner that says he bought it because of the zero emissions has actually just transfered his emmissions to the poor people in other countries.
And none of these things are true of the petrol/diesel car manufacturing process? Oh, yes they are. Zero emissions refers to toxic gases coming out of the tailpipe, let's not pretend otherwise. As to how the electricity the vehicle uses is produced, that varies widely from country to country and state to state. In Lane County Oregon where I live over 90% of electricity is produced from clean renewable resources, with hydroelectric being the main contributor. I have solar panels on my roof, so most of the year I don't even use the grid.
@@ziploc2000 I am not saying that ICE cars don't have other types of emissions. What I am saying is many EV owners and car adverts make it look as if there are no emissions at all. I just want them to be honest. There have been studies that you would need to drive approximately 70,000 miles in an EV to off-set the emissions that it takes to build and deliver.
@@ohyesitsme Maybe there needs to be more clarify on the offset period, but it does offset well within the usual lifetime of the car. A gasoline car will never offset the emissions created in its manufacture and delivery, it'll just keep adding more emissions.
Live in switzerland. 25% hike on my road tax because I drive a v8. Went to shops and can buy juicy grapes from Brazil.... Unserious policies from unserious people. Sheeple are weak to follow
@@andyd3177 You are asking him "to explain himself" which is what people tell children when they are naughty yet you prompt him to use "big words" like adults would. Excellent example of cognitive dissonance here, eh.
One of the smallest countries in the world, trying to fix the rest of the world who doesn’t care ! The government has always hated the motorist and it won’t change . I left the U.K. 8 yrs ago , watching it from the outside is shocking . Porsche have the right idea , My next Cayenne will be a hybrid. Most of people’s trips are less than 25 miles a day , a tank of fuel would last me months.
just where the hell does all this 'tax' go????????????????? - Nothing, literally NOTHING ever improves despite Government revenue seemingly doubling during last decade......
@@keithvers569 indeed, but as David says, the public sector costs are crippling the UK ...then add the self righteous pension levels of those in the government itself and that explains a lot...
It’s so nice to see comments that understand what’s going on. Even less than a year ago, similar comments were routinely removed. People are awaking to what’s going on, the wheat is separating from the chaff.
@@MarkB-33 It’s not a retort, it’s a fact based on emissions from producing and running an ICE car vs an EV over their average lifetimes. Both can be repaired and made to last years longer, but these are always based on the average.
So if you search for Patrick Minford and Brexit manufacturing, you will see that the only economist who campaigned for Brexit did say that this would be a byproduct of it. This is just the fulfilment of what he and other advocates of Brexit had predicted. You can see his testament to special committees by searching here on TH-cam.
Yo Joel, here in US we had EV mandates but it’s all going away! Thank goodness! A free market is the best, as soon as Govt inserts its self that market goes downhill or collapses. I read they are going after farmers there too…. Thanks for sharing, cheers Kirk
No they are not going after normal working farmers. They are going after tax dodgers who are buying up farms and other large estates to avoid paying tax.
In the UK, company car drivers embrace EV's because of the benefit in kind. Businesses get a tax advantage in allowing their employees to have premium EV's so will do so in order to retain employees or attract new ones. Come the end of the lease period, the cars are comparatively worthless because their batteries are seen as a liability and dealerships, comparatively speaking, run a mile from them. For private buyers there is a benefit in having an EV if the annual mileage is significant and if there is a place to charge the vehicle at home. Add solar charging and home storage batteries and the benefits become more compelling still. Remove from the equation a high annual mileage and/or home charging and EV's suddenly become unviable for most people, especially if the lease cost sky rockets because of the poor residuals. Early adopters or those with a high disposable income will be seduced, others, less so. As usual, the state has been trying to build the infrastructure on a shoestring budget but with smoke and mirrors. Too much emphasis on getting businesses to build the charging stations and not the state - and with un-regulation, it's no surprise that charging costs are an uncontrolled wild west scenario. Again, it really only makes sense for private individuals if they can charge at subsidised rates - and that really only happens with offset charging on home chargers - even the Tesla network isn't that cheap! So we have a brute force approach of levying a £15K fine. If an EV is costing, say, £60K now, making it £75K and sticking a hundred quid or so on a monthly lease is an easy way for the Government to get additional revenue - especially if, in parallel with this, fossil fuel duties are allowed to climb so as to make ICE vehicles less attractive. BTW, how many people are going to take out a £75K loan to buy a new car, even with cheaper loan costs? For most people it's all about lease/pcp, etc. Us? we have two large ICE's - both five years old, both low mileages and both reliable and we love them. Our annual miles are low, we could add chargers at home, but see no value in switching unless we are dragged kicking and screaming with a Government gun to our heads.
We have three cars. Two EVs, which are salary sacrifice cars benefiting from good tax savings. We also have a little manual petrol Hyundai i10 for our 17 year old daughter to drive. I keep “borrowing” the i10 as its so refreshing to actually drive a car. When I retire in 2 years and have to replace the two EVs we will go back to petrol/diesel. As early adopters we have had various EVs since 2014. I honestly expected both the infrastructure and range of the cars to be sorted a decade later. Both are still shit, so we have decided to sit it out for the time being.
Hybrid is the way to go, maybe for the next 20 years or so. As you suggest, not many drivers who don't have access to domestic charging are going to buy an EV, and more and more homes are now being built without driveways. Maybe, in a few years time, solar cell technology will be advanced enough for cars not to require plugging in at all. But, for the moment, hybrid is the only viable solution. If the government wants to reduce emissions then they should be building more homes within walking distance of amenities, together with (and I hate to say it) reducing speed limits, introducing legislation that requires all new vehicles to be fitted with black boxes that measure aggressive acceleration, braking and cornering, and charging accordingly through vehicle taxation. The University of Portsmouth did a study a few years back, that showed that a vehicle being driven aggressively can produce 77 times more Nox, when compared to a vehicle being driven more carefully; and so the real savings in emissions are to be gained through modifying driver behaviour, rather than forcing them to buy an EV. If we can find a way of "taxing" this sort of behaviour for the common good, then I suspect emissions would be reduced dramatically. AI based dash cam technology is already here, and os the next step would be to automate widespread prosecutions for those who are steadfastly unwilling to curb their "high emissions" driving styles. Of course, it's worth remembering that an EV causes just as much congestion as a combustion engined vehicle, and that the work required (eg earning money for doing extra hours at work) in order to earn the money to pay for an EV, probably creates more emissions that any EV would save. It might also be worth considering road pricing, where vehicle weight is a multiplier, to help discourage high mileages in heavily polluting vehicles. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but there are many things we can do, in order to reduce emissions, especially since this widespread resistance to EVs will mean that combustion vehicles will continue to be driven for many years into the future.
In 15 min cities nobody needs to drive. You walk and cycle, and if to travel further you need to ask permission from the government according to your social score. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy. 🤷🏼♂️
I’ve got a garage and a drive with space for an EV. I looked at getting a bmw i3 for city chores. I investigated a home charger and I can’t have one without a distribution board and rcd upgrade…. The quote was £1000s before the charger and the car. I’m not doing that to save a few quid on fuel.
@@ziploc2000 Not everyone is staying forever in their current home or lives in a big spacious, American State, blessed with relatively easy financial opportunities.. Walk a mile in some other peoples shoes!
@@1972jjb I'm responding to the original poster who has a garage and a driveway, and has not indicated a planned move as their reason not to invest in a home charging option. I'm simply saying that the cost of installing a socket for a home charger would be recouped by the savings of driving an EV. I lived in a Victorian terraced house in west London for 15 years, I'm quite familiar with the problems associated with not having a dedicated overnight parking space, driveway or garage.
Main issue I have seen as well is that it is mainly children mining the Cobalt which is needed for the EV batteries in Africa. We just don't have the infrastructure to move to Electric. I totally get the UK want to lead in terms of "Being green" but when our carbon footprint is trumped by China or India it is insignificant. The EV charging is also being run off fossil fuel plants as well which granted are more efficient than an engine in a car but why we haven't transitioned to Nuclear is beyond reasoning. The government doesn't want to create nuclear power plants as they take about 10 years to spin up and they won't be in power when it finally opens so they won't get the credit. It is the government trying to force the market where as if they would let the market do it's thing the prices would come down to be competitive. All these grants that are handed out are our tax pounds being re routed to automotive companies. If they say they are going to give people £4k to help towards a new car then what is stopping the automotive industry adjusting their prices by +£4k to absorb that.
Debunked long ago, it's far sooner than that. Even if it *were* 75k, there's very few (basically zero) vehicles produced that don't ever cover more than 75k miles, so even your wrong figures prove EV's make sense.
Hi Joel, been watching your channel for a while now since you did the 24hr challenge in the 7 series. Coming from an automotive engineering background and after speaking to engineers in the industry, all of them say banning petrol and diesel cars isn’t the solution. The government see electric vehicles as a blanket solution for everyone. However, they should encourage investment and development into alternative fuels such as hydrogen or synthetic fuels or ethanol. Some of these solutions would suit individuals better than EV’s and could use existing infrastructure. By straight up banning petrol and diesel and combustion they are restricting development in areas that could provide an alternative solution. As consumers we should have the choice to purchase what best suits our needs and not be forced to buy vehicles which may not suit our requirements.
Personally, I think hybrids are the way forward, particularly those that are capable of charging their EV batteries on the go. You cut out range anxiety, outrageous public charging point prices, and do away with the need for a charging point at home. Yes, they are not as emission free as a full-on EV, but it is a step in the right direction. This sort of technology has existed for a couple of decades now. My dream hybrid would be the BMW i8 which first came out in 2014.
Agreed , my next Cayenne will be a hybrid, most of my trips are less than 20 miles a day like 90 % of the population, a tack of fuel would last me months .
Joel, a huge fan of the channel and you're definitely voicing a vital topic. Just one caveat; the model for the manufacturers was established by the EU and applied first by the then UK Govt. in 2019/20. The current Govt., I think, is still struggling to find a strategy that goes at least some way to promote lower emissions, whilst, (in theory), providing the auto industry a chance to survive. Witness the exit of Ford, Honda, Mini and Nissan jobs, as Brexit struck; the core competitive advantage of being UK-based - high-quality labour force, tariff-free transfer of goods, parts and vehicles from the UK to Europe, plus ready local (UK) demand for vehicles - evaporated into the ether. Sadly, as we're no longer part of the EU tariff-free trading zone, (btw, the world's largest, tariff-free, single market trade zone), Vauxhall becomes a tougher nut for the likes of Stellantis to crack. In essence, whatever it does, it faces higher unit manuf. costs in the UK than it wld inside the EU. This doesn't mean your statement is wrong but rather it is more complex. The leap that perhaps needs to be made is the foundation of an agreement that ascribes specific industries the ability to make decisions focused on long-term strategic goals - employment, logistics, supply chain, etc. - based on a common cost criteria base. (Unfortunately, there are still archaic political ideologies fighting against this - which, of course, only serves to destabilise industry even more.) It's true the UK's latest Govt. has yet to set out a coherent future vision; although when it tries to, it seems ideologues dive in with both feet - witness the current farmers' faux shock and horror. The fact is, facing an econ. black hole, the Govt. has tried to close a long-standing tax loophole; the proposed IHT measures will impact the UK's most wealthy 1% - landowners who, for generations, took extraordinary advantage of sophisticated tax 'management'. The 4% of actual farmers potentially effected by modernised IHT legislation will still have up to 10yrs to pay any tax liability - a privilege afforded no other group of UK citizens. Apologies for the overly long comment but the heart of your video is a crucial point; namely, very many of the issues we're facing today could have been interrogated and resolved long before they reached the crisis point we're at now. What's req'd, if we're to move fwd, is a brand new model of econ. + social + environmental criteria that rewards (and penalises) industry based on its overall POSITIVE impact on society. No doubt, even this will have some groups spewing but the past 14yrs+ of myopic self-interest, (plus Trump's US return, championing ignorance) are tangible proof that screaming isolationism and binary econ. practices will not build the society we all crave to be part of. Thanks too, for reading this far!
I live in an affluent part of town, so me and my neighbours are the kind of people who buy new cars and don't mind finance. No one has an ev, the area is +95% victorian properties and very, very few have off street parking. You aren't even guaranteed to be able to park outside your own home. So home charging is impossible, and on street charging would be impractical unless ice cars are to be banned. So just for those reasons, evs are out, and that's before you get to the other ev negatives.
You've hit the nail on the head there Joel, make hybrid the stepping stone for 2035 to allow consumers to get used to the electric eco system and infrastructure to get implemented or another alternativeto get the investment such as hydrogen or something else may be invented. I myself am not a fan, I have test drove a tesla and it's brilliant but I am a petrol head and unfortunately for me the ev doesn't have a soul.
Trouble is some people don't realise that it's not only the car manufacturer that goes under but their supply chain as well. So with Stellantis going it's not only the 1100 jobs being lost but everyone else including delivery companies, haulage firms, and other suppliers who are affected as well. We need a balanced approach to this EV debacle. There is a need and use for EVs but it cannot be a blanket term. The benefits of having every car as an EV will only be realised 20 to 40years from now but at what cost.
Look, I totally get the need to reduce emissions and reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. I'm also not anti EV, the tech is quite cool in a sense having been in one, although I dont own one myself. At the same time, this policy just isnt workable and is completely unrealistic. I think Harry Metcalfe hit the nail on the head that at least in the short term the government needs to focus on ALL ways to reduce CO2 from vehicles, not just EVs. EVs are a part of it definitely, but there are also significant barriers - lack of charging infrastructure, massive increase in price if you cant charge at home, generally higher upfront cost. We cant just go round shafting industries in the name of reducing emissions, it has to be done in a sustainable and manageable way at the same time.
A well put together video Joel. EV's meet the needs of some people but currently are not suitable for everyone and of course are too expensive. The Government is destroying the car industry by trying for force consumers into EV's but its not working.
They should be focusing on the sustainable fuels which give a net zero co2 emissions, if they invested as much into that then most of us could be using ICE cars and be net zero emissions within a few years. This would be the stepping stone until electric/hydrogen or other zero emission fuels can be made cost effective.
No matter which political party is in power they are all out of touch with the public, and what is going on around them, this Idea that we will force manufacturers to produce only electric vehicles with out first making sure the charging infrastructure is in place is another example of how out of touch they are, and how they don't, do there research into the implications of there policies but then get upset when they are questioned about said policy.
This is what happens when group think takes over and any dissent is drowned out. Politicians have such inflated egos that they think if they say something loud enough and it doesn't work, then they introduce fines and it still doesn't work, it is ok to put normal people out of work. I note that the Daily Mirror yesterday say that the real reason Luton and other car plants in UK are closing is Brexit. Whilst it wasn't helpful, how does that explain closures around the globe? Nice job Joeal!
The government used to offer grants and tax breaks on EVs, if those are gone why would anyone buy a mode of transport that is worse and more inconvenient... It's like using a stick and carrot..but taking away the carrot.. absolutely stupidity
They should just allow plug in hybrid from 2030. That would love the problem entirely. Emissions drastically reduced without the downsides to electric only.
Doesn’t matter what government goes and they’re all the same they say one thing and do another and you got all these MPs going round guzzling petrol and diesel cars they have electric cars you can’t force people to have electric cars they can’t afford it.. good content Joe very good
I don’t think it’s just EV’s that are causing the problems. The average price in the UK of a combustion engine car is now something like £42k. How is anyone expected to afford a new car?
Perhaps a better government target would be total lifetime emissions, from the construction of the vehicle, its expected lifespan, the amount of material consumed in its servicing as well as its daily use emissions. Then we might get cars made from more sustainable materials, better quality, less complex and cheaper to operate. Soon we’ll be seeing cars scrapped because of a cracked touchscreen, whether that’s an EV, a hybrid or a diesel won’t matter because way more resources will have been wasted by creating a vehicle with such a short lifespan. Having to have heater motors coded to the BCU and stuff like this is a nonsense, the governments of the world would do more good stamping that practice out.
Look at the volvo report regarding ev vs ice engine. I believe it was released 2019/20. The tldr is essentially ice cars are better for the environment upto like 70k miles. This is obviously slightly out of date now but i think the principle is sound.
The Uk goverment have no clue about the car industry, its unbelievable that they legislate on a topic they simply dont understand. Its why the car industry is in such a mess. They need to concentrate on running the country and leave this topic to those who know.
Small electric cars for in the cities and for nipping to the shops and to commute to a place of work and back within a 10 mile radius is fine but not for for large executive cars which do a high annual mileage unless the charging infrastructure is radically improved
Let me correct you on running costs as i deliver this UK junk. Unless you have home charging its 2-3 times more expensive to fill/charge an EV compared to an efficient diesel or petrol car. Public chargers are up to 80p per kw and that's going to go up as the government are going to apply vat.
Here's an idea, when you correct someone try and make sure that the correction is actually correct. VAT is already charged at public chargers, at 20%. One of the suggestions being made is to reduce it to the same 5% everyone is charged at home. And no, it isn't 2-3 times more expensive. If that's how much it costs you to charge your EV you're doing it wrong. You do have one do you?
In Australia we don't care about the European car industry but most Japanese vehicle manufacturers are still going well infact Toyota may now be the largest vehicle manufacturer in the world and its a fact most Australians buy Toyota's
The problem with Electric vehicles is not electricity. It is the fact that EVs are throwaway products. Batteries are built into chassis. Entire motors have to be replaced even if just a cheap bearing is worn out [Renault Zoe]. After 10 years the residual value of an EV is zero. Most people drive a basic car which is 10+ years old and still has 2-3 years left of working life which can be extended if required. If you designed an EV which was fully repairable - the chassis might have a life of 30 years and batteries could be replaced at 10 years cheaply ie. £5,000. Motor components too were available so that electric motors could last 30 years - this is achievable technically. But it would mean the motor industry moving away from a luxury consumer product to a serviceable industrial product - with service centres and training of personnel that entails.
Joel don't blame this government the seeds of this closure go way back to the previous administration, Brexit, EV Infrastructure and a slowing world market are what's to blame...Lack of investment for decades this won't be the last closure I'm afraid.
Luton has been slowly closing for 40yrs. No-one wants what they build. Brexit is the final nail.. The Ceo has been sacked , he earned £40m last year.. Car industry need many years notice for future strategy. Tories moving the goal posts last year was a nonsense .please look at China😂
Vauxhall needs to make hydrogen like JCB it will sell better than EV. I can't see myself as self-employment to drive an EV van because the range is not enough.
What ICE cats will still be available new by 2035 ? Not a lot. VW already have 5 EV models, the Polo, Golf and Passat have been dumped. Renault already have 4 EV models and are slowly phasing out petrol and diesel production. The plant at Luton makes Diesel vans, old fashioned technology that is on the way out. R&D and admin jobs also going.
Very good podcast, however EV tyre particulates can be 100-1000 times higher than the tailpipe emissions of a modern diesel car! EVs tend to be much heavier and have higher torque than the equivalent ICE cars.
I suppose you are aware of the battery recyling plant in Scotland that went into thermal runaway. There have been a number around the world of self igniting fires.
The government needs to be building the charging infrastructure. They seem to be expecting it to just spring out of the ground by itself! Until the infrastructure is there I'll stick to a petrol car
Why should the Government be building charging infrastructure. You realise that it is yours and everyone elses tax money. So why should people who don't want or can't afford an EV be forced to subsidise those who have them,
Like Joel I have a V8 too (with a supercharger bolted on) you would need a hole in your head to change to Electric Cars, I've driven a few a work - stop
Whilst there is an argument about battery technology being sufficiently developed to make EV’s viable, the fact is the whole argument about how to deal with ICE emissions has been kicked down the road by successive governments around the world for years. There are loads of good videos out there about the relatively small impact cars have had in causing global emissions and that they are an easy target. EV’s are certainly part of the solution but they are also not THE solution to the crisis mankind has created. My real world experience of using an EV for the past 15 months and 20K miles hasn’t turned me into an EV fan boy, but by the same token I can’t really see the huge issue some people have with them. However, I have been fortunate to have had it as a company car and I can charge at home. It’s horses for courses and to try and effective force people into EV ownership is wrong, it sees, to me to be the scrappage scheme again but in a different suit.
So an EV has to be driven around 30-40k before even equalling carbon emissions, and then where the electric comes from if not from solar panels is going to be just as harmful as where petrol and diesel are refined. As for toxic emissions tree and vegetation have proven to be the solution, not ulez, and makes the environment look nicer! Now all ev in London... where do most people commute on in London? Tube...and just.check how much more damaging to people's health travelling tube than walking above ground and using cars is...its unbelievable the toxicity down there! Ev zero mandate is a con and why the labour government has continued with this from tories is ridiculous, glad manufacturers like porsche are fighting back and putting engines back into EV cars!
When it comes down to it Joel nobody wants electric vehicles and when or if we do all go electric wait to see the electric bills as the uk cannot produce enough electricity to charge all the vehicles its all a con in my opinion, hybrid is the way to go if it is self charging..
How can I put this 😴 I’ll keep my 2.2 tdci over an EV thank you. I have absolutely no interest in owning an EV. Simply because of the up front ridiculous cost. And the charging headache’s that are likely to continue for many years yet. And considering how boring most EV’s look, once again I’ll say I prefer my 2.2 tdci.
Worrying, the amount of misinformation in this comments thread. Around 57% of households in the UK have a driveway so therefore are able to charge at home, this will then equate to around 2.5pence per mile, (lot cheaper than a petrol or diesel car). Electric vehicles have fewer moving parts are therefor much cheaper to maintain. My wife's 7-year-old Nissan Leaf has sailed through every MOT with no advisories, (and is on its original pads and discs!). The fact is manufacturers, (OEM) have been overcharging for electric vehicles for years because they can get away with it. In 2008 it was much more expensive to produce an electric vehicle, but over the last 5 to 8 years the price parity on electric vehicles compared to Ice is commonly known and legacy car makers in Europe especially have been pocketing much bigger margins on electric vehicles keeping the prices high, (This is the cost to produce the main battery in electric vehicle: 2008: The average price per kilowatt-hour (kWh) was $1,414 2023: The average price per kWh was $139) They have also done this as they have a large backlog of engines they need to get rid of so by keeping electric vehicles prices high it makes the ICE vehicles in their portfolio more enticing for customers to purchase. Also, I readily make long journeys in my 100% electric vehicle, (over 500 miles over 2 days) with no issues whatsoever regarding charging publicly etc. And lastly regarding electric vehicles bursting into flames: Petrol or diesel cars are about 20 times more likely to catch fire than EVs, with ICE vehicles experiencing 1,530 fires per 100,000 sold compared to 25 EV fires per 100,000 sold. In the UK.
@2000halojones it's called research.... rather than assumption and making stuff up.... A simple Google search will give you all the information you need....type in "percentage of households with a "driveway" in the uk" and you will find the answers.
@@2000halojones It's called research..... A simple Google search will give you all the information you need....type in "percentage of households with the "driveway" in the uk" and you will find the answers.
I don’t see why I should put 50 grand into a car when my 17 year old daily driver has no rust to see anywhere and has no mechanical issues at all. Sailed through last 3 mots with no advisories and I own it outright no finance.
Setting pie in the sky deadlines maybe isn’t a good idea. Let me pick a date. From 1st of January 2028 you cannot wear a left shoe on Wednesdays. See ya.
Put up economic barriers between a manufacturer and their major marketplace and this is what - inevitably- happens. Luton doesn't make EVs by the way. Not that you care about facts, just clicks.
Did you forget to mention Brexit? They voted Brexit. They got what they voted for. Blue passports and sovereignty. Mention the real reasons and not put the blame down to the current government
No matter what colour of government we have in the UK, they don't want 'working people' to have cars, they want us to use public transport which is rubbish in most of the country
They don’t want us mobile full stop.
Also very dangerous. Sitting ducks for criminals.
I think they don’t want us moving around at all.
they want communism all over the world
I live close to the Vauxhall plant in Luton, it’s closure is going to have a devastating impact on the local community
what kind of impacts? just genuinely interested (:
@ quite a small community, many of who have worked for Vauxhall Vans for years (it’s all that they produce now locally). The population is 225,000 estimated, so to potentially lose 1,100 jobs in a small area will be hard. There is a small population of garages and mechanics, and not loads of jobs to go to that require a skill… apart from the airport, Vauxhall is the main employer
@MrAshleydickens ah okay I see, thank you for replying. I hope that those 1,100 are assisted in finding new jobs and your community isn't too harshly impacted
Sad times for every body.. thanks labour or what ever government created this madness
They voted for Brexit. Let them live with the consequences.
This is not talked about enough on the TH-cam scene, well put together Joel. This video was needed! ❤
Very good commentary Joel. Government has to realise it's the buying public who ultimately make decisions on buying electric cars. In absence of other conditions being right: e.g. lack of both public/home charging infrastructure, untested battery longevity, most people's economic situations and even their objecting to the excessive over nannying driver 'aids' in modern cars ...Government may find it cannot achieve what it is pushing too hard for. Certainly, our MSM argument that if our tiny country doesn't change it's vehicle propulsion systems overnight, the World will explode in crazy weather as a result, has been rumbled...
I leased my first EV, a VW ID.4, in January 2022. I'm now preparing to return it in February 2025 and switch back to a petrol vehicle. I’m the kind of person who likes to try new things, even if it might not work out, just for the experience and knowledge-in this case, owning an EV. Unfortunately, it wasn’t a great experience. The charging network is abysmal, public chargers are outrageously expensive, and the range is disappointing. Even something as simple as turning on the heated seats could reduce the range by 5-10 miles. I’m definitely looking forward to going back to petrol.
"The charging network is abysmal, public chargers are outrageously expensive, and the range is disappointing"
the same mentality closed shipbuilding, coal mining, steel, and blew up power stations
Lithium batteries are so dangerous that the Royal Mail won't deliver them in their lithium powered evs😅
To be fair though, they won't deliver petrol either 😊
Lithium batteries are in your back pocket. Has your backside caught fire yet?
@@jayjayaseelan7441 Mine did, when I farted and my phone created a spark.
Good point 😂, I think the battery ban policy is due to them using aircraft though to transport parcels.
@@jayjayaseelan7441Do you really think that a phone battery with a tiny charge is comparable to a metric ton of wet chemicals in a metal box under your car doing 60 mph?
Because it really isn’t. Solid state vs liquid phase. Not the same chemistry.
Uncle Klaus with the help of his Davos Starmling sidekick have said “You Will Own Nothing but you will be happy”.
I’ve already had an EV …. I was an ‘early adopter’ … Now I am an early rejector.
I will never, ever, ever get another one.
If they really cared about the environment as a whole, they would encourage people to buy second-hand cars instead of brand new.
I live in the remotest part of the North of Scotland. Our Government set up Chargepoint Scotland 12 years ago. Low cost charging is in every village. The network is currently being upgraded to faster charging units.
At last someone talking sense about the ZEV mandate and the whole issue of EV's. Not only Vauxhall and Ford are struggling but Nissan are also in a precarious position in the UK. In Germany VW are also closing down plants and Audi in Belgium.
Governments should never try to dictate what industry should manufacture. As far as emmisions regarding EV's what people don't want to admit is that they are just moving the emissions from their environment to the poor people where these minerals are being mined with massive earth excavators which use fossil fuels and then the large diesel trucks moving those rare earth minerals to refining plants and then on to the battery manufactuers. This is then followed by the transportation of the batteries to the car manufacturing plants. Then you have all the components being delivered to those plants , steel, plastics etc. (and the emissions that are produced in their manufacture.) Then you have the actual cars having to be shipped to all parts of the world and so on it goes. So any EV owner that says he bought it because of the zero emissions has actually just transfered his emmissions to the poor people in other countries.
So very true thanks 😮
And none of these things are true of the petrol/diesel car manufacturing process? Oh, yes they are.
Zero emissions refers to toxic gases coming out of the tailpipe, let's not pretend otherwise.
As to how the electricity the vehicle uses is produced, that varies widely from country to country and state to state. In Lane County Oregon where I live over 90% of electricity is produced from clean renewable resources, with hydroelectric being the main contributor. I have solar panels on my roof, so most of the year I don't even use the grid.
@@ziploc2000 I am not saying that ICE cars don't have other types of emissions. What I am saying is many EV owners and car adverts make it look as if there are no emissions at all. I just want them to be honest. There have been studies that you would need to drive approximately 70,000 miles in an EV to off-set the emissions that it takes to build and deliver.
@@ohyesitsme Maybe there needs to be more clarify on the offset period, but it does offset well within the usual lifetime of the car. A gasoline car will never offset the emissions created in its manufacture and delivery, it'll just keep adding more emissions.
The whole emissions thing is a con
Absolutely. How about creating exhaust systems that release pretty much no soot etc? Very doable, except climate is not their agenda here.
You’re a con
Live in switzerland. 25% hike on my road tax because I drive a v8.
Went to shops and can buy juicy grapes from Brazil....
Unserious policies from unserious people. Sheeple are weak to follow
Really? How about you explain yourself. Using big words like a grown up would.
@@andyd3177
You are asking him "to explain himself" which is what people tell children when they are naughty yet you prompt him to use "big words" like adults would.
Excellent example of cognitive dissonance here, eh.
One of the smallest countries in the world, trying to fix the rest of the world who doesn’t care !
The government has always hated the motorist and it won’t change .
I left the U.K. 8 yrs ago , watching it from the outside is shocking .
Porsche have the right idea , My next Cayenne will be a hybrid.
Most of people’s trips are less than 25 miles a day , a tank of fuel would last me months.
You can't consume your way to a greener planet, holding onto cars for longer is better than making any EVs at all.
just where the hell does all this 'tax' go????????????????? - Nothing, literally NOTHING ever improves despite Government revenue seemingly doubling during last decade......
The enormous cost of defined benefit pensions for the ever growing army of retired public sector workers. It’s only going to get worse.
@davidwhiteman4649 hadn't considered that...
Immigration costs and their free mobiles and benefits
@@keithvers569 indeed, but as David says, the public sector costs are crippling the UK ...then add the self righteous pension levels of those in the government itself and that explains a lot...
Because the WEF says so, stay at home and eat the bugs
Exactly. 15 minute cities and no cars is the plan. If you have an electric one it will soon be restricted to your carbon allowance.
It’s so nice to see comments that understand what’s going on. Even less than a year ago, similar comments were routinely removed. People are awaking to what’s going on, the wheat is separating from the chaff.
@@ComeJesusChristthis is a total lie, conspiracy slop like this has never been removed on TH-cam
Tinfoil hat bullshit.
EV Vehicles do not have very low emissions when they are manufactured.
No, they have more!
@@kmack5799 They have more during manufacture but over the lifetime of the vehicle it is less.
What about the emissions from brake pad dust, how do they plan on eliminating that from your precious EVs?
@@MarkB-33 All that means is that your Capri has been pumping out garbage for 52 years. Not that much of a boast really.
@@MarkB-33 It’s not a retort, it’s a fact based on emissions from producing and running an ICE car vs an EV over their average lifetimes. Both can be repaired and made to last years longer, but these are always based on the average.
So if you search for Patrick Minford and Brexit manufacturing, you will see that the only economist who campaigned for Brexit did say that this would be a byproduct of it. This is just the fulfilment of what he and other advocates of Brexit had predicted. You can see his testament to special committees by searching here on TH-cam.
The calamity surrounding electric cars will be written in history books.
Another time bomb left by the previous administration. Stellantis warned Sunak last autumn, he sat on it.
No they don’t
28% has to be electric? Didn't you guys do brexit to escape such crap?
WEF runs everything. Brexit won't matter. Same is happening in france with low emissions zones and I've heard similar in Italy
Nothing to do with brexit
@@Andrew-q2c6d😂😂😂
It's the UK Government ZEV mandate and that percentage goes up each year until 2030
Brexit was cooked up by the most incompetent people imaginable; to date, new SoVeReIgN Britain has only delivered a string of fiascos.
Yo Joel, here in US we had EV mandates but it’s all going away! Thank goodness! A free market is the best, as soon as Govt inserts its self that market goes downhill or collapses. I read they are going after farmers there too…. Thanks for sharing, cheers Kirk
No they are not going after normal working farmers. They are going after tax dodgers who are buying up farms and other large estates to avoid paying tax.
Big pharma would be better with no regulation at all?
In the UK, company car drivers embrace EV's because of the benefit in kind. Businesses get a tax advantage in allowing their employees to have premium EV's so will do so in order to retain employees or attract new ones.
Come the end of the lease period, the cars are comparatively worthless because their batteries are seen as a liability and dealerships, comparatively speaking, run a mile from them.
For private buyers there is a benefit in having an EV if the annual mileage is significant and if there is a place to charge the vehicle at home. Add solar charging and home storage batteries and the benefits become more compelling still. Remove from the equation a high annual mileage and/or home charging and EV's suddenly become unviable for most people, especially if the lease cost sky rockets because of the poor residuals. Early adopters or those with a high disposable income will be seduced, others, less so.
As usual, the state has been trying to build the infrastructure on a shoestring budget but with smoke and mirrors. Too much emphasis on getting businesses to build the charging stations and not the state - and with un-regulation, it's no surprise that charging costs are an uncontrolled wild west scenario. Again, it really only makes sense for private individuals if they can charge at subsidised rates - and that really only happens with offset charging on home chargers - even the Tesla network isn't that cheap!
So we have a brute force approach of levying a £15K fine. If an EV is costing, say, £60K now, making it £75K and sticking a hundred quid or so on a monthly lease is an easy way for the Government to get additional revenue - especially if, in parallel with this, fossil fuel duties are allowed to climb so as to make ICE vehicles less attractive. BTW, how many people are going to take out a £75K loan to buy a new car, even with cheaper loan costs? For most people it's all about lease/pcp, etc.
Us? we have two large ICE's - both five years old, both low mileages and both reliable and we love them. Our annual miles are low, we could add chargers at home, but see no value in switching unless we are dragged kicking and screaming with a Government gun to our heads.
Why buy an EV when the infrastructure just isn’t there yet!!!
Why buy an EV?
💯 correct thanks 😊
It's tragic. If for example I was Bill Ford, I'd just produce and sell the cars people want. The fines money? "COME AND TAKE IT", as the Texans say!
We have three cars. Two EVs, which are salary sacrifice cars benefiting from good tax savings. We also have a little manual petrol Hyundai i10 for our 17 year old daughter to drive. I keep “borrowing” the i10 as its so refreshing to actually drive a car. When I retire in 2 years and have to replace the two EVs we will go back to petrol/diesel. As early adopters we have had various EVs since 2014. I honestly expected both the infrastructure and range of the cars to be sorted a decade later. Both are still shit, so we have decided to sit it out for the time being.
Hybrid is the way to go, maybe for the next 20 years or so.
As you suggest, not many drivers who don't have access to domestic charging are going to buy an EV, and more and more homes are now being built without driveways.
Maybe, in a few years time, solar cell technology will be advanced enough for cars not to require plugging in at all. But, for the moment, hybrid is the only viable solution.
If the government wants to reduce emissions then they should be building more homes within walking distance of amenities, together with (and I hate to say it) reducing speed limits, introducing legislation that requires all new vehicles to be fitted with black boxes that measure aggressive acceleration, braking and cornering, and charging accordingly through vehicle taxation.
The University of Portsmouth did a study a few years back, that showed that a vehicle being driven aggressively can produce 77 times more Nox, when compared to a vehicle being driven more carefully; and so the real savings in emissions are to be gained through modifying driver behaviour, rather than forcing them to buy an EV. If we can find a way of "taxing" this sort of behaviour for the common good, then I suspect emissions would be reduced dramatically.
AI based dash cam technology is already here, and os the next step would be to automate widespread prosecutions for those who are steadfastly unwilling to curb their "high emissions" driving styles.
Of course, it's worth remembering that an EV causes just as much congestion as a combustion engined vehicle, and that the work required (eg earning money for doing extra hours at work) in order to earn the money to pay for an EV, probably creates more emissions that any EV would save. It might also be worth considering road pricing, where vehicle weight is a multiplier, to help discourage high mileages in heavily polluting vehicles.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but there are many things we can do, in order to reduce emissions, especially since this widespread resistance to EVs will mean that combustion vehicles will continue to be driven for many years into the future.
In 15 min cities nobody needs to drive. You walk and cycle, and if to travel further you need to ask permission from the government according to your social score.
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy. 🤷🏼♂️
No way would I borrow money to buy any car, let alone an EV.
You can’t force hard working people to buy electric cars,, I will never buy electric cars,, firstly they are too expensive,,
I’ve got a garage and a drive with space for an EV. I looked at getting a bmw i3 for city chores. I investigated a home charger and I can’t have one without a distribution board and rcd upgrade…. The quote was £1000s before the charger and the car. I’m not doing that to save a few quid on fuel.
It'll more than pay for itself over the lifetime of the vehicle.
@@ziploc2000 Not everyone is staying forever in their current home or lives in a big spacious, American State, blessed with relatively easy financial opportunities.. Walk a mile in some other peoples shoes!
@@1972jjb I'm responding to the original poster who has a garage and a driveway, and has not indicated a planned move as their reason not to invest in a home charging option. I'm simply saying that the cost of installing a socket for a home charger would be recouped by the savings of driving an EV.
I lived in a Victorian terraced house in west London for 15 years, I'm quite familiar with the problems associated with not having a dedicated overnight parking space, driveway or garage.
Main issue I have seen as well is that it is mainly children mining the Cobalt which is needed for the EV batteries in Africa. We just don't have the infrastructure to move to Electric. I totally get the UK want to lead in terms of "Being green" but when our carbon footprint is trumped by China or India it is insignificant.
The EV charging is also being run off fossil fuel plants as well which granted are more efficient than an engine in a car but why we haven't transitioned to Nuclear is beyond reasoning. The government doesn't want to create nuclear power plants as they take about 10 years to spin up and they won't be in power when it finally opens so they won't get the credit.
It is the government trying to force the market where as if they would let the market do it's thing the prices would come down to be competitive. All these grants that are handed out are our tax pounds being re routed to automotive companies. If they say they are going to give people £4k to help towards a new car then what is stopping the automotive industry adjusting their prices by +£4k to absorb that.
LFP batteries do not contain cobalt, but cobalt is used in the refining process to make petrol.
Joel, an electric car does not become carbon neutral until it reaches 75,000 miles
Debunked long ago, it's far sooner than that. Even if it *were* 75k, there's very few (basically zero) vehicles produced that don't ever cover more than 75k miles, so even your wrong figures prove EV's make sense.
It gets worse Joel,
I would try and explain myself, but Harry Metcalfe just released a video on this very subject.
Thanks 🎉😊
The government should have been spearheading charging infrastructure starting years ago if they wanted people to seriously consider EVs
I don't see hybrids posting fantastic mpg figures, diesels 25 years ago did 55mpg!
Hi Joel, been watching your channel for a while now since you did the 24hr challenge in the 7 series. Coming from an automotive engineering background and after speaking to engineers in the industry, all of them say banning petrol and diesel cars isn’t the solution. The government see electric vehicles as a blanket solution for everyone. However, they should encourage investment and development into alternative fuels such as hydrogen or synthetic fuels or ethanol. Some of these solutions would suit individuals better than EV’s and could use existing infrastructure. By straight up banning petrol and diesel and combustion they are restricting development in areas that could provide an alternative solution. As consumers we should have the choice to purchase what best suits our needs and not be forced to buy vehicles which may not suit our requirements.
How long before the loan is worth more than the car, last one out the Uk plaese turn out the lights if there is any energy for them to work
Beyond crazy this, ideology meeting real life.
Spot on comment! Same as govt policy on house building!
Personally, I think hybrids are the way forward, particularly those that are capable of charging their EV batteries on the go. You cut out range anxiety, outrageous public charging point prices, and do away with the need for a charging point at home. Yes, they are not as emission free as a full-on EV, but it is a step in the right direction. This sort of technology has existed for a couple of decades now. My dream hybrid would be the BMW i8 which first came out in 2014.
Agreed , my next Cayenne will be a hybrid, most of my trips are less than 20 miles a day like 90 % of the population, a tack of fuel would last me months .
Hybrids are still a fire risk though
Modern petrol and diesels are far better, less complicated and have worked for years.
The B5 Passat diesel did 70 to a gallon on long runs at sensible speeds. No hybrid gets anywhere near that
What's funny is Aston Martin will simply add £15k to each car because their customers will pay it so these fines are a complete joke
Joel, a huge fan of the channel and you're definitely voicing a vital topic. Just one caveat; the model for the manufacturers was established by the EU and applied first by the then UK Govt. in 2019/20. The current Govt., I think, is still struggling to find a strategy that goes at least some way to promote lower emissions, whilst, (in theory), providing the auto industry a chance to survive. Witness the exit of Ford, Honda, Mini and Nissan jobs, as Brexit struck; the core competitive advantage of being UK-based - high-quality labour force, tariff-free transfer of goods, parts and vehicles from the UK to Europe, plus ready local (UK) demand for vehicles - evaporated into the ether. Sadly, as we're no longer part of the EU tariff-free trading zone, (btw, the world's largest, tariff-free, single market trade zone), Vauxhall becomes a tougher nut for the likes of Stellantis to crack. In essence, whatever it does, it faces higher unit manuf. costs in the UK than it wld inside the EU. This doesn't mean your statement is wrong but rather it is more complex. The leap that perhaps needs to be made is the foundation of an agreement that ascribes specific industries the ability to make decisions focused on long-term strategic goals - employment, logistics, supply chain, etc. - based on a common cost criteria base. (Unfortunately, there are still archaic political ideologies fighting against this - which, of course, only serves to destabilise industry even more.) It's true the UK's latest Govt. has yet to set out a coherent future vision; although when it tries to, it seems ideologues dive in with both feet - witness the current farmers' faux shock and horror. The fact is, facing an econ. black hole, the Govt. has tried to close a long-standing tax loophole; the proposed IHT measures will impact the UK's most wealthy 1% - landowners who, for generations, took extraordinary advantage of sophisticated tax 'management'. The 4% of actual farmers potentially effected by modernised IHT legislation will still have up to 10yrs to pay any tax liability - a privilege afforded no other group of UK citizens. Apologies for the overly long comment but the heart of your video is a crucial point; namely, very many of the issues we're facing today could have been interrogated and resolved long before they reached the crisis point we're at now. What's req'd, if we're to move fwd, is a brand new model of econ. + social + environmental criteria that rewards (and penalises) industry based on its overall POSITIVE impact on society. No doubt, even this will have some groups spewing but the past 14yrs+ of myopic self-interest, (plus Trump's US return, championing ignorance) are tangible proof that screaming isolationism and binary econ. practices will not build the society we all crave to be part of. Thanks too, for reading this far!
It reminds me having dog shit on your shoe and then scrapping it off onto a kerb.
I live in an affluent part of town, so me and my neighbours are the kind of people who buy new cars and don't mind finance. No one has an ev, the area is +95% victorian properties and very, very few have off street parking. You aren't even guaranteed to be able to park outside your own home. So home charging is impossible, and on street charging would be impractical unless ice cars are to be banned. So just for those reasons, evs are out, and that's before you get to the other ev negatives.
You've hit the nail on the head there Joel, make hybrid the stepping stone for 2035 to allow consumers to get used to the electric eco system and infrastructure to get implemented or another alternativeto get the investment such as hydrogen or something else may be invented. I myself am not a fan, I have test drove a tesla and it's brilliant but I am a petrol head and unfortunately for me the ev doesn't have a soul.
I’m keeping my 17 year old L322 tdv8 and my 24 year old Boxster. To hell with evs
Trouble is some people don't realise that it's not only the car manufacturer that goes under but their supply chain as well. So with Stellantis going it's not only the 1100 jobs being lost but everyone else including delivery companies, haulage firms, and other suppliers who are affected as well. We need a balanced approach to this EV debacle. There is a need and use for EVs but it cannot be a blanket term. The benefits of having every car as an EV will only be realised 20 to 40years from now but at what cost.
Look, I totally get the need to reduce emissions and reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. I'm also not anti EV, the tech is quite cool in a sense having been in one, although I dont own one myself. At the same time, this policy just isnt workable and is completely unrealistic. I think Harry Metcalfe hit the nail on the head that at least in the short term the government needs to focus on ALL ways to reduce CO2 from vehicles, not just EVs. EVs are a part of it definitely, but there are also significant barriers - lack of charging infrastructure, massive increase in price if you cant charge at home, generally higher upfront cost. We cant just go round shafting industries in the name of reducing emissions, it has to be done in a sustainable and manageable way at the same time.
A well put together video Joel. EV's meet the needs of some people but currently are not suitable for everyone and of course are too expensive. The Government is destroying the car industry by trying for force consumers into EV's but its not working.
They should be focusing on the sustainable fuels which give a net zero co2 emissions, if they invested as much into that then most of us could be using ICE cars and be net zero emissions within a few years. This would be the stepping stone until electric/hydrogen or other zero emission fuels can be made cost effective.
No matter which political party is in power they are all out of touch with the public, and what is going on around them, this Idea that we will force manufacturers to produce only electric vehicles with out first making sure the charging infrastructure is in place is another example of how out of touch they are, and how they don't, do there research into the implications of there policies but then get upset when they are questioned about said policy.
This is what happens when group think takes over and any dissent is drowned out. Politicians have such inflated egos that they think if they say something loud enough and it doesn't work, then they introduce fines and it still doesn't work, it is ok to put normal people out of work. I note that the Daily Mirror yesterday say that the real reason Luton and other car plants in UK are closing is Brexit. Whilst it wasn't helpful, how does that explain closures around the globe?
Nice job Joeal!
What if you don't want to get into debt for a car? What about if you just want to spend £1000 on a car? You're not gonna get anything EV for that.
It’s ludicrous, sales people can’t force people to buy anything, perhaps the government think all car salespeople are like Aunty Wainwright.
The government used to offer grants and tax breaks on EVs, if those are gone why would anyone buy a mode of transport that is worse and more inconvenient... It's like using a stick and carrot..but taking away the carrot.. absolutely stupidity
They should just allow plug in hybrid from 2030. That would love the problem entirely. Emissions drastically reduced without the downsides to electric only.
Doesn’t matter what government goes and they’re all the same they say one thing and do another and you got all these MPs going round guzzling petrol and diesel cars they have electric cars you can’t force people to have electric cars they can’t afford it.. good content Joe very good
Did you see Sam’s video on the EV Macan? He spent over £50 to charge the EV Macan for over 200 miles of range 😮
I don’t think it’s just EV’s that are causing the problems. The average price in the UK of a combustion engine car is now something like £42k. How is anyone expected to afford a new car?
Perhaps a better government target would be total lifetime emissions, from the construction of the vehicle, its expected lifespan, the amount of material consumed in its servicing as well as its daily use emissions. Then we might get cars made from more sustainable materials, better quality, less complex and cheaper to operate. Soon we’ll be seeing cars scrapped because of a cracked touchscreen, whether that’s an EV, a hybrid or a diesel won’t matter because way more resources will have been wasted by creating a vehicle with such a short lifespan. Having to have heater motors coded to the BCU and stuff like this is a nonsense, the governments of the world would do more good stamping that practice out.
Part of the WEF plan is to have no car ownership and so all of this makes them very happy . Its all on their website and is not a secret .
40k luxury car tax doesn't help sales either.
Agreed, the average car price in the UK is now something like £42k
Klaus Schwab has a book, the great reset - you will own nothing bla bla bla
Look at the volvo report regarding ev vs ice engine. I believe it was released 2019/20. The tldr is essentially ice cars are better for the environment upto like 70k miles. This is obviously slightly out of date now but i think the principle is sound.
And a lot of people hate boring quiet milk floats!!! That weigh 2 tons plus....
The Uk goverment have no clue about the car industry, its unbelievable that they legislate on a topic they simply dont understand. Its why the car industry is in such a mess. They need to concentrate on running the country and leave this topic to those who know.
Small electric cars for in the cities and for nipping to the shops and to commute to a place of work and back within a 10 mile radius is fine but not for for large executive cars which do a high annual mileage unless the charging infrastructure is radically improved
Let me correct you on running costs as i deliver this UK junk. Unless you have home charging its 2-3 times more expensive to fill/charge an EV compared to an efficient diesel or petrol car. Public chargers are up to 80p per kw and that's going to go up as the government are going to apply vat.
Here's an idea, when you correct someone try and make sure that the correction is actually correct. VAT is already charged at public chargers, at 20%. One of the suggestions being made is to reduce it to the same 5% everyone is charged at home. And no, it isn't 2-3 times more expensive. If that's how much it costs you to charge your EV you're doing it wrong. You do have one do you?
You will own nothing and be happy - WEF
The very knowledgeable manufacturers that do nothing to support the infrastructure
In Australia we don't care about the European car industry but most Japanese vehicle manufacturers are still going well infact Toyota may now be the largest vehicle manufacturer in the world and its a fact most Australians buy Toyota's
The problem with Electric vehicles is not electricity. It is the fact that EVs are throwaway products. Batteries are built into chassis. Entire motors have to be replaced even if just a cheap bearing is worn out [Renault Zoe]. After 10 years the residual value of an EV is zero. Most people drive a basic car which is 10+ years old and still has 2-3 years left of working life which can be extended if required. If you designed an EV which was fully repairable - the chassis might have a life of 30 years and batteries could be replaced at 10 years cheaply ie. £5,000. Motor components too were available so that electric motors could last 30 years - this is achievable technically. But it would mean the motor industry moving away from a luxury consumer product to a serviceable industrial product - with service centres and training of personnel that entails.
Joel don't blame this government the seeds of this closure go way back to the previous administration, Brexit, EV Infrastructure and a slowing world market are what's to blame...Lack of investment for decades this won't be the last closure I'm afraid.
Luton has been slowly closing for 40yrs. No-one wants what they build. Brexit is the final nail.. The Ceo has been sacked , he earned £40m last year.. Car industry need many years notice for future strategy. Tories moving the goal posts last year was a nonsense .please look at China😂
Remember EV owners to take your umbrella with you no head covers, like a fuel stations. You're playing with 400v in the rain.
Who exactly decided to destroy the industry in the first place and what do the people about to lose their jobs think of the situation ?
Vauxhall needs to make hydrogen like JCB it will sell better than EV. I can't see myself as self-employment to drive an EV van because the range is not enough.
Hydrogen is not the future,the UK has currently only 16 hydrogen filling station (Yes 16)and that’s mainly for commercial only.
Hydrogen will probably make sense for heavy goods, most likely not for cars
What ICE cats will still be available new by 2035 ? Not a lot. VW already have 5 EV models, the Polo, Golf and Passat have been dumped. Renault already have 4 EV models and are slowly phasing out petrol and diesel production. The plant at Luton makes Diesel vans, old fashioned technology that is on the way out. R&D and admin jobs also going.
Well Said Sir👍
Very good podcast, however EV tyre particulates can be 100-1000 times higher than the tailpipe emissions of a modern diesel car!
EVs tend to be much heavier and have higher torque than the equivalent ICE cars.
Disposal isn’t on the table they are repurposed as battery storage for homes
I suppose you are aware of the battery recyling plant in Scotland that went into thermal runaway. There have been a number around the world of self igniting fires.
Wot
The likes of Porsche aren’t gonna dictate the rules on what people buy when the EU and Ed Miliband dictators are saying otherwise
good one. is the decision of govt linked to availability of fossil fuels by 2050+ as i heard....add on that..
The government needs to be building the charging infrastructure. They seem to be expecting it to just spring out of the ground by itself! Until the infrastructure is there I'll stick to a petrol car
Why should the Government be building charging infrastructure. You realise that it is yours and everyone elses tax money. So why should people who don't want or can't afford an EV be forced to subsidise those who have them,
Tories did all this shit, somehow it’s labours fault
No they don’t.
Demand for EV’s has slowed. And Brexit
Like Joel I have a V8 too (with a supercharger bolted on) you would need a hole in your head to change to Electric Cars, I've driven a few a work - stop
Whilst there is an argument about battery technology being sufficiently developed to make EV’s viable, the fact is the whole argument about how to deal with ICE emissions has been kicked down the road by successive governments around the world for years. There are loads of good videos out there about the relatively small impact cars have had in causing global emissions and that they are an easy target. EV’s are certainly part of the solution but they are also not THE solution to the crisis mankind has created. My real world experience of using an EV for the past 15 months and 20K miles hasn’t turned me into an EV fan boy, but by the same token I can’t really see the huge issue some people have with them. However, I have been fortunate to have had it as a company car and I can charge at home. It’s horses for courses and to try and effective force people into EV ownership is wrong, it sees, to me to be the scrappage scheme again but in a different suit.
So an EV has to be driven around 30-40k before even equalling carbon emissions, and then where the electric comes from if not from solar panels is going to be just as harmful as where petrol and diesel are refined. As for toxic emissions tree and vegetation have proven to be the solution, not ulez, and makes the environment look nicer! Now all ev in London... where do most people commute on in London? Tube...and just.check how much more damaging to people's health travelling tube than walking above ground and using cars is...its unbelievable the toxicity down there! Ev zero mandate is a con and why the labour government has continued with this from tories is ridiculous, glad manufacturers like porsche are fighting back and putting engines back into EV cars!
Roll on 2026 when I can get rid of my EV. I would do it sooner, but the value of it has fallen through the floor. Back to petrol or diesel for me.
They don't want you to have a car
When it comes down to it Joel nobody wants electric vehicles and when or if we do all go electric wait to see the electric bills as the uk cannot produce enough electricity to charge all the vehicles its all a con in my opinion, hybrid is the way to go if it is self charging..
How can I put this 😴 I’ll keep my 2.2 tdci over an EV thank you.
I have absolutely no interest in owning an EV. Simply because of the up front ridiculous cost. And the charging headache’s that are likely to continue for many years yet.
And considering how boring most EV’s look, once again I’ll say I prefer my 2.2 tdci.
Worrying, the amount of misinformation in this comments thread.
Around 57% of households in the UK have a driveway so therefore are able to charge at home, this will then equate to around 2.5pence per mile, (lot cheaper than a petrol or diesel car). Electric vehicles have fewer moving parts are therefor much cheaper to maintain. My wife's 7-year-old Nissan Leaf has sailed through every MOT with no advisories, (and is on its original pads and discs!). The fact is manufacturers, (OEM) have been overcharging for electric vehicles for years because they can get away with it. In 2008 it was much more expensive to produce an electric vehicle, but over the last 5 to 8 years the price parity on electric vehicles compared to Ice is commonly known and legacy car makers in Europe especially have been pocketing much bigger margins on electric vehicles keeping the prices high, (This is the cost to produce the main battery in electric vehicle: 2008: The average price per kilowatt-hour (kWh) was $1,414
2023: The average price per kWh was $139)
They have also done this as they have a large backlog of engines they need to get rid of so by keeping electric vehicles prices high it makes the ICE vehicles in their portfolio more enticing for customers to purchase.
Also, I readily make long journeys in my 100% electric vehicle, (over 500 miles over 2 days) with no issues whatsoever regarding charging publicly etc.
And lastly regarding electric vehicles bursting into flames:
Petrol or diesel cars are about 20 times more likely to catch fire than EVs, with ICE vehicles experiencing 1,530 fires per 100,000 sold compared to 25 EV fires per 100,000 sold. In the UK.
57%? On the thousands of terraced streets which don’t have drives? What’s the source for this unlikely figure you quote?
@2000halojones it's called research.... rather than assumption and making stuff up.... A simple Google search will give you all the information you need....type in "percentage of households with a "driveway" in the uk" and you will find the answers.
@@2000halojones It's called research..... A simple Google search will give you all the information you need....type in "percentage of households with the "driveway" in the uk" and you will find the answers.
I don’t see why I should put 50 grand into a car when my 17 year old daily driver has no rust to see anywhere and has no mechanical issues at all. Sailed through last 3 mots with no advisories and I own it outright no finance.
Becoz we love a v8 s
Setting pie in the sky deadlines maybe isn’t a good idea. Let me pick a date. From 1st of January 2028 you cannot wear a left shoe on Wednesdays. See ya.
What people voted for is what they get.
Put up economic barriers between a manufacturer and their major marketplace and this is what - inevitably- happens. Luton doesn't make EVs by the way. Not that you care about facts, just clicks.
Did you forget to mention Brexit? They voted Brexit. They got what they voted for. Blue passports and sovereignty. Mention the real reasons and not put the blame down to the current government