Chapters 00:00 Is Bajaj Onto Something? 02:08 vs Royal Enfield 03:08 Who Will Win? 04:40 Bajaj Has Improved A Lot! 06:04 Closing Comments Watch the full episode here: th-cam.com/video/ZVgwftlEKyA/w-d-xo.html *Download the MotorInc app now! Available for iOS, coming soon for Android.* Download the app at tinyurl.com/getmiapp Subscribe to our main channel for more content like this: youtube.com/@motorinc Subscribe to the Clips channel if you'd like to watch more clips: youtube.com/@motorincclips
Agreed. While I love the way Bajaj works, and I love how they make very efficient bikes, I didn't order a pulsar or a ktm because I don't get that royal feeling that I'll get when riding a bear 650. Bajaj makes bikes for those who can't own more than one vehicle and want a trustworthy machine for all kinds of usage while RE is bought mostly by those who probably own another vehicle for most of the actual travelling needs.
Who told that. I'm having it. 220... 11 years now. 38-44kmpl mileage. Good power. Just a new better engine is enough for it to have that fly.@@manjugoku6206
Bajaj tunes more chassis than RE will. Bajaj has access to better chassis designs that they can incorporate. RE is overly overconfident of their 4 chassis designs that they think it's okay to slap anything on our invincible chassis. Bajaj probably has better tuning blueprints.
They literally bought Harris performance for the very reason. after the purchase their chassis' were vastly improved over the whatever came until the UCE series of bikes.
I think Bajaj should make a retro bike based on 220f engine. Because that is their legacy bike , legacy engine which has been there for years. It refuses to die . It would be nice to have a retro bike based on the classic Pulsar with round headlight. Bajaj can actually have a chance to compete with RE Hunter 350 and kill its sales because what the Hunter 350 lacks is raw power and performance despite having a sporty neo retro roadster design. Bajaj actually has a lot of showrooms and service centres which Honda Bigwing, Classic legends, Hero-HD or TVS don't have in abundance. They actually can sell around 15 to 20k units per month.
Actually this is what I experienced recently I live in Dehradun .So we recently received triumph dealership in Dehradun I can see triumph speed 400,scrambler 400 X everywhere. There are 4 bikes in my locality and And in my area it is as common as any other royal enfield I believe
RE strategy is more viable in the long run. Creating new platforms is expensive and when you have to make a profit in all the platforms individually it's harder than just making 5 bikes with one well thought out platform. Another very important thing I just realised is that, updating and refreshing multiple platforms and bikes must be very difficult, but bajaj does not fail in many cases but RE even with a smaller range of products never does refresh/update in a 5 year forget multiple times within a year.
With Triumph partnership, Bajaj is able to roll out about 2000-2500 motorcycles in the 400cc segment consistently now. Which was not the case before with the Dominar and Duke 390. Basically they have levelled up from the mass market 150-250s to the 400s now. That is where RE’s territory lies. Both Bajaj and Triumph now have the common enemy. I say Triumph because RE is making inroads in the UK big time with their retro singles and the twin. So, this partnership will go a long way with more motorcycles or variants of 400s
true, Dominar 400 failed to make a dent in Enfield's turf. the people need bike which looks like classic to beat RE. triumph 400 was a great bike for this.
RE just makes "gedi maarne wali" bikes, they are amazing but still they are amazing at slow speed bikes....WHEREAS bajaj is making bikes for everything and everyone, for all purposes.......❤️❤️❤️ Bajaj for this
No way you’re saying that the guerilla and the Himalayan are very fast..in fact the guerilla is faster than any bike in its segment apart from 390 duke And 650s were never slow
@manjugoku6206 that's good for people who are happy with seeing numbers on a paper.....bajaj is doing and is remaining true to itself in what it does for its customers
A Dominar with an LC4C engine, less weight, TFT display and rider aids... Just dreaming 😊 Also if Bajaj buys up KTM, the tech and aesthetic advancements will be noticeable
Well both approaches have diff benefits, but eventually a combination of both will be the best approache. It will carter to all segments and price class.
The whole conversation is going on wrong side If we take last 4 yr in technological advancement....Can u compare RE and bajaj. RE created inhouse new engine 650 cc and 450 cc and remodified the 350 cc in comparison what is advancement of bajaj. Technology sourced first from KTM and now triumph. Where is bajaj innovation???????????
The thing is that RE is selling bikes in North America and Baja is not and maybe they don't need it or wanted, so we buy RE and enjoy it, they are not the best bike in the market, but each time I rode my Interceptor it gave me a big smile and that's hard to beat!😊
Its the RE which is leaving Bajaj behind up until now with that strategy. The people buying RE are now buying for practical reasons, unlike earlier for show off or a status symbol.
BAJAJ - has in their last two or three products it’s been a silent revolution - NS400z & Freedom125. RE - has in their last two or three products it’s been a loud shrill - Guerrella450 & Bear650. Bajaj appealed larger audience - 400z by Price & Freedom125 by mileage and powertrain. RE appealed who? - Guerrella looks are odd & Bear is for humans over 6’ and above. Seems it’s clear who’s going to win…
to kartik’s comment on the swipe of t400 on classic, a classic buyer may buy a bullet 350 but he wont go for T400 , a hunter buyer think of buying it at 2.00 lakh can extend budget to buy t400 at2.3 maybe a possibility and bajaj wants that only thats why after 3 months of no so good sales and piling inventory they have revised the price at 1.99 lakh
Bajaj will always be a product oriented company while RE has a strong brand and has moved towards becoming a company selling a lifestyle. Bajaj may have 20 pulsars but almost all are commuter bikes. RE is not selling a commuter. It's selling a riding lifestyle. In the long run brand outlives the product
RE is the only Indian company which has been able to build a riding culture (something like an ecosystem) in India….RE is to India what HD is to the US. So even if Bajaj/Hero/TVS builds up the numbers in the market…..RE will always have their own special place in the hearts of the Indian two-wheeler rider!
Bajaj split is very similar to what the American car manufacturers in the past ie a product at every price point and today they same car companies are struggling against those that caters to a specific niche. If RE can keep the current momentum, they might come out on top because it will always end up being an aspirational homegrown brand with a higher profitability and save the original pulsar Bajaj bikes is more of a commodity and still continue to be financially viable purely on number of sales.
Both are good strategies.. We’ll have to let the market decide eventually.. There are some hardcore Royal Enfield loyalists who are going to fight on their behalf😂
If Hero is selling the most number of motorcycles, does it mean that they beat every single motorcycle? In sales, yes, but in some other aspects, not at all. If you say Bajaj can beat RE, in sales?, they should sell something like classic 350 or the other products. If they are selling pulsars more than the classic 350, they are still looser in classic motorcycle game. And RE is a looser in sports bike game.
Even though Triumph 400 cc bikes are a hit in terms of performance & technicals, the sales numbers don't really reflect how amazing these bikes are. Whats your take on this? Are these bikes not priced aptly or Bajaj's marketing efforts have not been able to garner good enough sales?
They are priced premium and Triumph brand is meant to be so, otherwise there won’t be any difference between Bajaj and Triumph. Triumph customers are willing to pay that premium. Both models are doing very well globally, bringing in new people to Triumph brand fold.
In 2019 many of us are wishing for RE to put that 650 engine on Himalayan!! And they are doing it right now!! I own a 411 Himalayan, looking for an upgrade and the new 450 didn't felt like a big upgrade from 411 for me. I rented the bike for 15 days and rode in Ladakh. It's a great bike, but that's not what I would call as an upgrade. I expect something more powerful for that weight & something that is more agile. On the other side Triumph just launched 400X, getting closer to perfection in the segment. End of the day Bajaj & Co., just need to figure out a low cost version of 660 CC & that will be end of this chase. May be it's too late for RE to bring 650/750 on an ADV. They need better platform that is lighter and agile!
It is like one works in closed variants and another in open variants. And Eicher motors(the parent of RE) has been targeting the niche, minimalist and classic design. RE was never meant to be sold to everyone, it is a hype and lesser number of consumers will purchase it in the long term.. until then they need to work on convenience and comfort in order to sustain in the long term. Both will survive, the one who will doom is “Hero”, for sure.
I think the RE strategy works for a reason. Our country's laws are very much against mods. There are certain place in our country that is so strict that even changing the seat can get you in trouble. So with RE they take one product and cater it t whatever style every person likes(not that any other brand hasn't tried this) but this wasn't done to this level in India. you take one product, make a Roaster, cafe racer, bobber, cruiser and one for the OG bullet audience. you take another product that is more affordable do the same. your competitors are getting faster. make the guerilla and the himalayan 450,there's probably a sporty bike and a scrambler coming up probably. Yes parts are obviously gonna be shared across models, like it has always been with all brands, sometimes across brands or sometimes rebadged.
Having moved from a classic 350 to choosing a triumph scrambler 400x over an interceptor and a guerllla and being excellently happy over the decisions.(owned a Bajaj pulsar before the classic350 in college) truly Bajajs strategy is much better than Royal Enfield’s..to focus on quality and breaking norms and entering new areas coupled with strategic partnerships..
Service is the main thing separately both brands in order to beat RE, Bajaj should work more on their service. The main driving factor for Royal Enfield is their service which is quick and affordable.
It is like one works in closed variants and another in open variants. And Eicher motors(the parent of RE) has been targeting the niche, minimalist and classic design. RE was never meant to be sold to everyone, it is a hype and lesser number of consumers will purchase it in the long term.. until then they need to work on convenience and comfort in order to sustain in the long term. Both will survive, the one who will doom is “Hero”, for sure. Also, you forget to mention Bajaj also has KTM under its umbrella in partnership. At some point after gathering all the good data, Bajaj will ditch all the partnered brands for good.
I am a RE fan boy currently owning a Int650. But i see Bajaj's strategy winning in the long run. Wish RE put in better effort to serve their customers. Its a pain to live with RE. I hate the pillion seat and very poor suspension and handling.
To which strategy will work, IMO, both. Both RE and Bajaj are pioneering two different strategies, like you guys observed. Looking at the customer demand and their business growth, it seems there's enough room for both.
I feel there is a better recall for an RE than a Bajaj. If I think of a bike to buy from Bajaj, it’s difficult to make up a mind since I don’t remember them whereas RE tries to sell a unique nostalgia and story with each bike. If I relate my story to a hunter now , tomorrow I may relate myself to a super meteor. Whereas each bajajs bike story is fragmented. That mellows down the importance of each bike and they get perceived as a pawn on a chess board. That does not feel special enough, right ?
What about Avenger can you make a video on Avenger in 2024 should it remain the way it is and will we continue to see it remain that way. How do you recommend it for touring in this era?
Not sure why Hero and Speedbrain partnership has not given us a bigger cc rally bike other than what they do in dakar. Xpulse 400+ is well overdue and with their enormous dakar experience, it's time their experience materlise in real world bigger cc adv.
X440 and Mavrick are good bikes..Both developed by Hero.Xpulse 421 is more complicated as its an LC engine powering it..Better to perfect it before launching than briskly launching a half baked product..
so the flaw in bajaj ‘s thinking is that they think by making things more faster/more premium looking lighter bike, they can challenge RE but practically a 350cc enfield buyer is not getting same product in bajaj portfolio. neither in jawa nor in honda portfolio- the heavy , thunpy feel. so basically only some 10000 ppl every month want to buy something else than enfield and no matter how mnay products you launch it will go in that pie only, rest 70000 is pure enfield 350cc only❤
I honestly think RE will come out at the top because of its niche market with a huge fan base, at the end of the day doing one thing better will come out at the top
Sir in Bajaj their are major quality improvement... . Even they are only one having Avenger as proper crusier.. . But sir when I went showroom for it (160)....it's handle bar button were extremely low quality ..very bad......just due to button quality i didn't bought it. . If you could reach out Bajaj please notify them...🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@CaptainBroadSword every TH-camr knows honda 350 is far better than RE 350 but honda doesn't give them views as much as RE gives. If you want unbaised video about cb go watch Bulu biker.
I think that the Speed T4 engine feels Decidedly like a Bajaj Product more than a Triumph, mainly in that it is a Detuned and Destressed version of a Larger motor, think the Dominar engine vs the KTM 373cc. I Sincerely hope that Bajaj gets a Chance to cook with that and put it in some Retro bikes of their own, say the Avenger which has been collecting dust so far.
I think Royal enfield is a very different brand, bajaj or any other brands aren't able to compete with them It doesn't matter if they have a product or not, it's not about the product it's about the brand where Royal Enfield won without competition
Every brand get noticed when they bring game changing products. Bajaj came with pulsar thereafter nothing till now. People brought discover coz they like pulsars. RE pulled out himalayan which no brand would dare to do it. New himalayan is 5x better. People mindset will be to buy a hunter or any other RE coz they appreciate himalayan.
+ Bajaj creates a new bike to target one segment of Royal Enfield. This means Bajaj has more headroom to upgrade, improve and modify the bike over time as per customer wants and needs. + RE is churning out multiple vehicles from one platform (with small changes) which limits the amount of improvement they can do- Hunter's engine from Classic limits the chassis from delivering better performance. Also the awful suspension. + All these sound like Bajaj SHOULD come out on top. But it will be much more expensive for Bajaj than RE in this approach as creating a new platform/ bike will require all kinds of investments, expertise, not to mention the specialized skill required for after sales support.
RE is successful because of their marketing and emotional brand image they have made. And they have also been innovating new engines and designs. Bajaj I don't think they have any strategy in mind. They are earning from making bikes for ktm and triumph. They have lost touch with bike brand bajaj. We are not seeing any new engine or design from bajaj. They have stopped innovating. They have to keep bajaj as a brand separate from bajaj who makes bikes for ktm and triumph......just my view...
It sounds like Samsung vs apple. Apple charge premium slow updates but sometimes major change but it works otherwise just pulling same thing with different name. Bajaj is like android samsung putting product at all range all the features but failing to sell premium ones.
Hello Motorinc, can we have a long podcast discussing Dakar 2025? Talk about Rally Bikes, Cars their technologies, how much the technology has evolved etc. This time first ever Indian Car rally driver Mr. Sanjay Takale has taken part in the rally. Can we talk about Hero's journey in Dakar? Indians don't know much about this rally, it would be great if you have the conversation around it. @motorinc
Not anytime soon. If bajaj will go for RE bread & butter RE will go for bajaj bread & butter. RE is onto targetting bajaj PREIMUM brands & its own economy products . With upcoming products in 250 cc segment & 750 cc segment
Retiring the brand and bringing it back to work Bajaj does it quite often.. I purchased NS 200 in 2012 and they stopped making it in 2017 but again they brought it back l. So they will do the same with dominar as well...
Oh I feel Royal Enfield is more like Porsche than Bajaj. They have various product lines like Macan, Cayenne, 911, GT4 RS, Taycan, But the point mentioned here, of the variants of the products the ST, Carrera, Turbo, Turbo S, GT3, GT3 RS, GT2 RS They are more or less based on the same platform. GT4 RS is based on the 718. So in that sense I feel it is more like RE, where they have a platform in every segment, 350, 650 and then variations on that platform. Just my opinion. But while I was typing this, I get where Kartikeya comes from, maybe the fact that they had Panamera as well it may have triggered this. But I feel it is not Porsche, its just that Audi has so many variants with RS3, RS4, RS6 with estates and their SUVs, it is maybe easier for Porsche to pick and choose the platform they want to reuse, but their core remains the 911s which are variations of the same platform. Would love to hear your comments though.
Husqvarna is not seen almost anywhere. Triumph 400 are also very less, hardly seen two in 2024. Dominar is more common, 250 did not work but 400 is in good numbers.
Bajaj is so pathetic, they wanted to take on RE so they launched dominar 400, dominar failed to make a dent on RE sales. Now since Bajaj know they can’t take on RE anymore, they brought gonda ( triumph ) to beat RE. 😂
I personally think Royal Enfield is going downhill. Their after-sales service is utterly pathetic. Except for the Classic 350, all of the RE bikes are pretty similar.
In my opinion… Bajaj should rob some designers from RE hut and RE should kidnap some engineers from Bajaj.. 🤪 Then we’ll have balance, good bikes with great designs/colors from different brands to choose from😈
There is a very versatile bike called yamaha xsr (very famous in sea region)which looks better in caferracer, scrambler, modern retro style but i hope they dont launch in india because it will flop from day one these gawar audiance will compare it with RE and make fun of it.
RE fans are the reason. See what they did to cb 350. A bike which is 10-15 years ahead of RE 350 but still people choose RE because it has emotion. So why even bother bringing bikes knowing it will flop
Chapters
00:00 Is Bajaj Onto Something?
02:08 vs Royal Enfield
03:08 Who Will Win?
04:40 Bajaj Has Improved A Lot!
06:04 Closing Comments
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I really thaught HONDA when he said "I Know a car brand who does the same"
@@meetthakor28 me too 😂
They leave no chance to taunt Honda for literally anything.
you must be living in cave since honda lacks eveything being said here
While Bajaj thinks "above the line", Classic legends thinks "about Royal Enfield"
More than their bikes Jawa yezdi dealerships are horrible
Both will survive, their cliental is totally different.
One is apple other is Android.
Great analogy and to add a premium android like Samsung also have a market of its own !
Agreed. While I love the way Bajaj works, and I love how they make very efficient bikes, I didn't order a pulsar or a ktm because I don't get that royal feeling that I'll get when riding a bear 650. Bajaj makes bikes for those who can't own more than one vehicle and want a trustworthy machine for all kinds of usage while RE is bought mostly by those who probably own another vehicle for most of the actual travelling needs.
Very well said 😂 it's kinda true
"sorry, if you're a dominar i'm sorry i apologise" no dominars were harmed in the making of this video XD
Any idea why Bajaj is not updating Avenger? Its an only cruiser they have and even after 4-5 years of latest update, it is going strong !
I’m gonna get an avy if they put 400cc engine
Soo truee man
It’s a pathetic bike and no one is buying it it. So they won’t update
Agree. @@manjugoku6206
Who told that. I'm having it. 220... 11 years now. 38-44kmpl mileage. Good power. Just a new better engine is enough for it to have that fly.@@manjugoku6206
Bajaj tunes more chassis than RE will. Bajaj has access to better chassis designs that they can incorporate. RE is overly overconfident of their 4 chassis designs that they think it's okay to slap anything on our invincible chassis. Bajaj probably has better tuning blueprints.
Whatever RE sales figures speaks much. Bajaj can never match RE
They literally bought Harris performance for the very reason. after the purchase their chassis' were vastly improved over the whatever came until the UCE series of bikes.
I think Bajaj should make a retro bike based on 220f engine. Because that is their legacy bike , legacy engine which has been there for years. It refuses to die . It would be nice to have a retro bike based on the classic Pulsar with round headlight. Bajaj can actually have a chance to compete with RE Hunter 350 and kill its sales because what the Hunter 350 lacks is raw power and performance despite having a sporty neo retro roadster design.
Bajaj actually has a lot of showrooms and service centres which Honda Bigwing, Classic legends, Hero-HD or TVS don't have in abundance. They actually can sell around 15 to 20k units per month.
Actually this is what I experienced recently I live in Dehradun .So we recently received triumph dealership in Dehradun I can see triumph speed 400,scrambler 400 X everywhere. There are 4 bikes in my locality and And in my area it is as common as any other royal enfield I believe
I think a tiger 400 would be a game changer for Bajaj
It will be game changer for triumph, not bajaj
Tiger 400 would kill the segment or can create its own segment.
With twin cylinder
It will kill speed and scrambler sales. They will never do that.
RE strategy is more viable in the long run. Creating new platforms is expensive and when you have to make a profit in all the platforms individually it's harder than just making 5 bikes with one well thought out platform.
Another very important thing I just realised is that, updating and refreshing multiple platforms and bikes must be very difficult, but bajaj does not fail in many cases but RE even with a smaller range of products never does refresh/update in a 5 year forget multiple times within a year.
With Triumph partnership, Bajaj is able to roll out about 2000-2500 motorcycles in the 400cc segment consistently now. Which was not the case before with the Dominar and Duke 390. Basically they have levelled up from the mass market 150-250s to the 400s now. That is where RE’s territory lies. Both Bajaj and Triumph now have the common enemy. I say Triumph because RE is making inroads in the UK big time with their retro singles and the twin. So, this partnership will go a long way with more motorcycles or variants of 400s
true, Dominar 400 failed to make a dent in Enfield's turf. the people need bike which looks like classic to beat RE. triumph 400 was a great bike for this.
RE just makes "gedi maarne wali" bikes, they are amazing but still they are amazing at slow speed bikes....WHEREAS bajaj is making bikes for everything and everyone, for all purposes.......❤️❤️❤️ Bajaj for this
No way you’re saying that the guerilla and the Himalayan are very fast..in fact the guerilla is faster than any bike in its segment apart from 390 duke
And 650s were never slow
Finally it comes down to sales numbers. Bajaj can never beat RE😂😂😂😂
@manjugoku6206 that's good for people who are happy with seeing numbers on a paper.....bajaj is doing and is remaining true to itself in what it does for its customers
@@manjugoku6206 A shitbox wagonR also sells in huge numbers. Doesn't make it a good car 😂😂😂
A Dominar with an LC4C engine, less weight, TFT display and rider aids... Just dreaming 😊
Also if Bajaj buys up KTM, the tech and aesthetic advancements will be noticeable
KTM had approached but Bajaj refused to help.
No one wants a ship with a hole at the bottom
Well both approaches have diff benefits, but eventually a combination of both will be the best approache. It will carter to all segments and price class.
RE has twins which will keep them ahead in the mid size segment world wide.
World wide😂😂😂😂
@@subramanip8434 RE probably outsells everyone in the classic bike segment worldwide. Even Triumph or HD can't compete with them.
The whole conversation is going on wrong side
If we take last 4 yr in technological advancement....Can u compare RE and bajaj.
RE created inhouse new engine 650 cc and 450 cc and remodified the 350 cc in comparison what is advancement of bajaj.
Technology sourced first from KTM and now triumph.
Where is bajaj innovation???????????
The thing is that RE is selling bikes in North America and Baja is not and maybe they don't need it or wanted, so we buy RE and enjoy it, they are not the best bike in the market, but each time I rode my Interceptor it gave me a big smile and that's hard to beat!😊
2:46 The RE strategy. It's Samsung vs Apple comparison. Both shall survive, one comes out as premium segment ruler.
Its the RE which is leaving Bajaj behind up until now with that strategy. The people buying RE are now buying for practical reasons, unlike earlier for show off or a status symbol.
If I had one Penny for every pulsar there is I'd had more money than guy who choose royal enfield
been a happy dominar owner since early 2019, never regretted my decision.. except for some problems at the authorized svcs
bajaj at this point should make retro bikes in the vincent brand
BAJAJ - has in their last two or three products it’s been a silent revolution - NS400z & Freedom125.
RE - has in their last two or three products it’s been a loud shrill - Guerrella450 & Bear650.
Bajaj appealed larger audience - 400z by Price & Freedom125 by mileage and powertrain.
RE appealed who? - Guerrella looks are odd & Bear is for humans over 6’ and above.
Seems it’s clear who’s going to win…
I wish to see Bonneville with T4 like engine.
to kartik’s comment on the swipe of t400 on classic, a classic buyer may buy a bullet 350 but he wont go for T400 , a hunter buyer think of buying it at 2.00 lakh can extend budget to buy t400 at2.3 maybe a possibility and bajaj wants that only thats why after 3 months of no so good sales and piling inventory they have revised the price at 1.99 lakh
Which episode is this?
Bajaj will always be a product oriented company while RE has a strong brand and has moved towards becoming a company selling a lifestyle. Bajaj may have 20 pulsars but almost all are commuter bikes. RE is not selling a commuter. It's selling a riding lifestyle. In the long run brand outlives the product
This!
👏🏼👏🏼
Tell that to Jag and Nissan. Whatever’s the best lasts
RE is the only Indian company which has been able to build a riding culture (something like an ecosystem) in India….RE is to India what HD is to the US. So even if Bajaj/Hero/TVS builds up the numbers in the market…..RE will always have their own special place in the hearts of the Indian two-wheeler rider!
@@sonac-ub4rc I kinda agree with you
Bajaj split is very similar to what the American car manufacturers in the past ie a product at every price point and today they same car companies are struggling against those that caters to a specific niche. If RE can keep the current momentum, they might come out on top because it will always end up being an aspirational homegrown brand with a higher profitability and save the original pulsar Bajaj bikes is more of a commodity and still continue to be financially viable purely on number of sales.
The only thing thats going for RE is that their brand is stronger than any of the five Bajaj brands.
Bajaj is the only brand who's giving abs in a 100 cc bike, sadly they discontinued it coz of the low sales
Both are good strategies.. We’ll have to let the market decide eventually.. There are some hardcore Royal Enfield loyalists who are going to fight on their behalf😂
Hi MotorInc fam❤….. Will Honda launch NX 400 in India. Also, eager to know whether Aprilia working on Adv tourer bike with 457 engine.
genuine praise ❌
Promoting because top official of a brand reached out to you and you feel obligated ✅
If Hero is selling the most number of motorcycles, does it mean that they beat every single motorcycle?
In sales, yes, but in some other aspects, not at all.
If you say Bajaj can beat RE, in sales?, they should sell something like classic 350 or the other products. If they are selling pulsars more than the classic 350, they are still looser in classic motorcycle game. And RE is a looser in sports bike game.
Even though Triumph 400 cc bikes are a hit in terms of performance & technicals, the sales numbers don't really reflect how amazing these bikes are. Whats your take on this? Are these bikes not priced aptly or Bajaj's marketing efforts have not been able to garner good enough sales?
They are priced premium and Triumph brand is meant to be so, otherwise there won’t be any difference between Bajaj and Triumph. Triumph customers are willing to pay that premium. Both models are doing very well globally, bringing in new people to Triumph brand fold.
In 2019 many of us are wishing for RE to put that 650 engine on Himalayan!! And they are doing it right now!!
I own a 411 Himalayan, looking for an upgrade and the new 450 didn't felt like a big upgrade from 411 for me.
I rented the bike for 15 days and rode in Ladakh. It's a great bike, but that's not what I would call as an upgrade. I expect something more powerful for that weight & something that is more agile.
On the other side Triumph just launched 400X, getting closer to perfection in the segment.
End of the day Bajaj & Co., just need to figure out a low cost version of 660 CC & that will be end of this chase.
May be it's too late for RE to bring 650/750 on an ADV. They need better platform that is lighter and agile!
Which is Bajaj Retro ??
Not exactly Bajaj but sold and marketed by them , the Triumph 400s
RE: Biggest weakness is suspension
Bajaj: one of many strengths is suspension
I guess you haven't rode the Himalayan.
Shumi needs to stop the hate on RE 😂😂
Why just like other TH-camr should he praise RE for views ?
It is like one works in closed variants and another in open variants.
And Eicher motors(the parent of RE) has been targeting the niche, minimalist and classic design. RE was never meant to be sold to everyone, it is a hype and lesser number of consumers will purchase it in the long term.. until then they need to work on convenience and comfort in order to sustain in the long term.
Both will survive, the one who will doom is “Hero”, for sure.
I think the RE strategy works for a reason. Our country's laws are very much against mods. There are certain place in our country that is so strict that even changing the seat can get you in trouble. So with RE they take one product and cater it t whatever style every person likes(not that any other brand hasn't tried this) but this wasn't done to this level in India. you take one product, make a Roaster, cafe racer, bobber, cruiser and one for the OG bullet audience. you take another product that is more affordable do the same. your competitors are getting faster. make the guerilla and the himalayan 450,there's probably a sporty bike and a scrambler coming up probably. Yes parts are obviously gonna be shared across models, like it has always been with all brands, sometimes across brands or sometimes rebadged.
Having moved from a classic 350 to choosing a triumph scrambler 400x over an interceptor and a guerllla and being excellently happy over the decisions.(owned a Bajaj pulsar before the classic350 in college) truly Bajajs strategy is much better than Royal Enfield’s..to focus on quality and breaking norms and entering new areas coupled with strategic partnerships..
Really want to know bajaj's planning towards avengers.. it's such a fun motorcycle
2:47 I think Bajaj strategy is like Android and RE is like iPhone
Service is the main thing separately both brands in order to beat RE, Bajaj should work more on their service.
The main driving factor for Royal Enfield is their service which is quick and affordable.
It is like one works in closed variants and another in open variants.
And Eicher motors(the parent of RE) has been targeting the niche, minimalist and classic design. RE was never meant to be sold to everyone, it is a hype and lesser number of consumers will purchase it in the long term.. until then they need to work on convenience and comfort in order to sustain in the long term.
Both will survive, the one who will doom is “Hero”, for sure. Also, you forget to mention Bajaj also has KTM under its umbrella in partnership. At some point after gathering all the good data, Bajaj will ditch all the partnered brands for good.
I am a RE fan boy currently owning a Int650. But i see Bajaj's strategy winning in the long run. Wish RE put in better effort to serve their customers. Its a pain to live with RE. I hate the pillion seat and very poor suspension and handling.
To which strategy will work, IMO, both. Both RE and Bajaj are pioneering two different strategies, like you guys observed. Looking at the customer demand and their business growth, it seems there's enough room for both.
What is the band Shumi is wearing?
I feel there is a better recall for an RE than a Bajaj. If I think of a bike to buy from Bajaj, it’s difficult to make up a mind since I don’t remember them whereas RE tries to sell a unique nostalgia and story with each bike. If I relate my story to a hunter now , tomorrow I may relate myself to a super meteor. Whereas each bajajs bike story is fragmented. That mellows down the importance of each bike and they get perceived as a pawn on a chess board. That does not feel special enough, right ?
What about Avenger can you make a video on Avenger in 2024 should it remain the way it is and will we continue to see it remain that way. How do you recommend it for touring in this era?
Right...its gonna be super interesting if someone at Porsche sees this and decides to come in to get Bajaj to manufacture a small car for them LMAO!
Bajaj will become stronger , as RE is attracted to a particular age of bikers but Bajaj has a wide range of riders to attract.
RE should improve quality and I see sample variations heavily in their highest selling product Classic Reborn. Bajaj can take advantage here.
I have bajaj ,tvs, royal Enfield. And i am not disappointed
Not sure why Hero and Speedbrain partnership has not given us a bigger cc rally bike other than what they do in dakar.
Xpulse 400+ is well overdue and with their enormous dakar experience, it's time their experience materlise in real world bigger cc adv.
X440 and Mavrick are good bikes..Both developed by Hero.Xpulse 421 is more complicated as its an LC engine powering it..Better to perfect it before launching than briskly launching a half baked product..
so the flaw in bajaj ‘s thinking is that they think by making things more faster/more premium looking lighter bike, they can challenge RE but practically a 350cc enfield buyer is not getting same product in bajaj portfolio. neither in jawa nor in honda portfolio- the heavy , thunpy feel. so basically only some 10000 ppl every month want to buy something else than enfield and no matter how mnay products you launch it will go in that pie only, rest 70000 is pure enfield 350cc only❤
Bhai tu Karnataka se hai kya Hindi nhi aati ?😂
I honestly think RE will come out at the top because of its niche market with a huge fan base, at the end of the day doing one thing better will come out at the top
Nothing damages Royal Enfield more than their abysmal sales and service and quality control. Love the bikes but owning them is a headache
Sir in Bajaj their are major quality improvement...
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Even they are only one having Avenger as proper crusier..
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But sir when I went showroom for it (160)....it's handle bar button were extremely low quality ..very bad......just due to button quality i didn't bought it.
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If you could reach out Bajaj please notify them...🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
When is Yamaha RX100 launch???
Any impression video on Honda CB platform soon?
Don't expect . This is motor inc. 😂
@ADITYAJHA-h6x loled hard on this comment but bashing Jawa and praising Royal Enfield leaves confusion for the Honda counterpart.
don't ya say a word about honda😂,forbidden
@@CaptainBroadSword every TH-camr knows honda 350 is far better than RE 350 but honda doesn't give them views as much as RE gives.
If you want unbaised video about cb go watch Bulu biker.
I think that the Speed T4 engine feels Decidedly like a Bajaj Product more than a Triumph, mainly in that it is a Detuned and Destressed version of a Larger motor, think the Dominar engine vs the KTM 373cc.
I Sincerely hope that Bajaj gets a Chance to cook with that and put it in some Retro bikes of their own, say the Avenger which has been collecting dust so far.
Which one is "looks like a retro but is not"? Avenger?
I think Royal enfield is a very different brand, bajaj or any other brands aren't able to compete with them It doesn't matter if they have a product or not, it's not about the product it's about the brand where Royal Enfield won without competition
5 brands and the bank is wide open, yet Rajiv is wondering how to Rob! No they can’t.
Every brand get noticed when they bring game changing products. Bajaj came with pulsar thereafter nothing till now. People brought discover coz they like pulsars. RE pulled out himalayan which no brand would dare to do it. New himalayan is 5x better. People mindset will be to buy a hunter or any other RE coz they appreciate himalayan.
Makes me wanna try a Bajaj!
@motorinc can you ask bajaj bring avenger 400...that will be toughest competition to RE
RE sold almost 80k models Dec 2024.
+ Bajaj creates a new bike to target one segment of Royal Enfield. This means Bajaj has more headroom to upgrade, improve and modify the bike over time as per customer wants and needs.
+ RE is churning out multiple vehicles from one platform (with small changes) which limits the amount of improvement they can do- Hunter's engine from Classic limits the chassis from delivering better performance. Also the awful suspension.
+ All these sound like Bajaj SHOULD come out on top. But it will be much more expensive for Bajaj than RE in this approach as creating a new platform/ bike will require all kinds of investments, expertise, not to mention the specialized skill required for after sales support.
RE is successful because of their marketing and emotional brand image they have made. And they have also been innovating new engines and designs. Bajaj I don't think they have any strategy in mind. They are earning from making bikes for ktm and triumph. They have lost touch with bike brand bajaj. We are not seeing any new engine or design from bajaj. They have stopped innovating. They have to keep bajaj as a brand separate from bajaj who makes bikes for ktm and triumph......just my view...
It sounds like Samsung vs apple. Apple charge premium slow updates but sometimes major change but it works otherwise just pulling same thing with different name. Bajaj is like android samsung putting product at all range all the features but failing to sell premium ones.
Expected Bajaj to make Bigger capacity Avenger but lost hope.
And Honda meanwhile designs it's New Activa....
Honda has cb 350 which is 10 years ahead of RE 350
Our gawar audiance still picks RE because of emotion.
India dont even deserve activa
If bajaj launches tiger 400 or 450 at agressive price that would shake the mid range
Hello Motorinc, can we have a long podcast discussing Dakar 2025? Talk about Rally Bikes, Cars their technologies, how much the technology has evolved etc. This time first ever Indian Car rally driver Mr. Sanjay Takale has taken part in the rally. Can we talk about Hero's journey in Dakar? Indians don't know much about this rally, it would be great if you have the conversation around it. @motorinc
Not anytime soon. If bajaj will go for RE bread & butter RE will go for bajaj bread & butter. RE is onto targetting bajaj PREIMUM brands & its own economy products . With upcoming products in 250 cc segment & 750 cc segment
Time for Bajaj to acquire classic legends rather than ktm complete stake.
I'm suffering from my pulsar cheap quality rear suspension second set.
Bajaj should launch the avenger facelift, the game will change
14% market share vs 5%, RE is far far behind. 30-year-old oversized and underpowered engines are not of everyone's liking.
Retiring the brand and bringing it back to work Bajaj does it quite often.. I purchased NS 200 in 2012 and they stopped making it in 2017 but again they brought it back l. So they will do the same with dominar as well...
Oh I feel Royal Enfield is more like Porsche than Bajaj.
They have various product lines like Macan, Cayenne, 911, GT4 RS, Taycan,
But the point mentioned here, of the variants of the products the ST, Carrera, Turbo, Turbo S, GT3, GT3 RS, GT2 RS
They are more or less based on the same platform.
GT4 RS is based on the 718.
So in that sense I feel it is more like RE, where they have a platform in every segment, 350, 650 and then variations on that platform.
Just my opinion.
But while I was typing this, I get where Kartikeya comes from, maybe the fact that they had Panamera as well it may have triggered this.
But I feel it is not Porsche, its just that Audi has so many variants with RS3, RS4, RS6 with estates and their SUVs, it is maybe easier for Porsche to pick and choose the platform they want to reuse, but their core remains the 911s which are variations of the same platform.
Would love to hear your comments though.
Husqvarna is not seen almost anywhere. Triumph 400 are also very less, hardly seen two in 2024.
Dominar is more common, 250 did not work but 400 is in good numbers.
Bajaj is so pathetic, they wanted to take on RE so they launched dominar 400, dominar failed to make a dent on RE sales.
Now since Bajaj know they can’t take on RE anymore, they brought gonda ( triumph ) to beat RE. 😂
I personally think Royal Enfield is going downhill. Their after-sales service is utterly pathetic. Except for the Classic 350, all of the RE bikes are pretty similar.
ns 200, rs 200?
In my opinion…
Bajaj should rob some designers from RE hut and RE should kidnap some engineers from Bajaj.. 🤪
Then we’ll have balance, good bikes with great designs/colors from different brands to choose from😈
With everything happening to KTM do you guys think Bajaj should buy them out, will they buy them and if yes to either why?
Avengers 400 will hit the re more than anyone imagine height factor is real in india.
Think. Who. Think think. Who who 😂😂
What’s wrong with Japanese brands? They are happy with just 100-200 cc segment Bikes and Scooters.
There is a very versatile bike called yamaha xsr (very famous in sea region)which looks better in caferracer, scrambler, modern retro style but i hope they dont launch in india because it will flop from day one these gawar audiance will compare it with RE and make fun of it.
RE fans are the reason. See what they did to cb 350. A bike which is 10-15 years ahead of RE 350 but still people choose RE because it has emotion. So why even bother bringing bikes knowing it will flop
In the short term R.E. (~3-4 yrs) but the Bajaj might eventually catch up in 5-6 yrs and may even overtake Royal Enfield.
BAJAJ 💪⚡
Very perceptive, guys..
What happened to KTM bro. seems like they are packing bags to leave india!? any thoughts.
Need 400cc Avenger.