9000bhp of LOCOMOTIVES to move 2 x 4 Car Class 777 Brand New Units!! 4 x HST Powercars!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2025
- Top and Tail Class 43 Locos from Rail Adventure moving 2 x Class 777 units from Crewe CS to Kirkdale for delivery to Merseyrail..!
That's a lot of power just for 8 carriages!
See Crewe Carriage Sidings on approach to Crewe station from the south. Prior to the class 43's arriving into Crewe, we see 56105 and 66718n departing southbound.
The class 43's then follow into the station before filing out to the south to the down sidings to await their departure to Kirkdale in Merseyside later in the day.
Great to see these class 43 locos re-purposed and earning an alternative living!
Hope you enjoy the video! Thanks for watching.
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That paint job on the HST's is genius it disguises the exposed buffers until really up close.After 50 yrs of no buffers still can't get used to it lol
The livery does hide the buffers quite well, but 8 power cars got buffers in the late 80s, so have had them for over half their lives now. I thought they looked a bit strange at first too.
the buffers have been on those power cars for over 30 years
Really nice to see old rolling stock getting a new lease of life! The buffer HSTs are ideal for this kind of work, but the regular sets with MK3s could be equally as useful on high speed mail trains as more and more people turn to online shopping...
Yes
Definitely on non electric lines
Great catch! I’m always busy doing something else when the interesting stuff happens! Quite the snazzy 66 there as well!
The brakes on the emu are deactivated for the move hence the balance weight trucks and motive power front and rear .
Another brilliant find, thanks for sharing
Thanks - Glad you liked it 👍
Hi very good camera work as usual cracking video well done great video
Thanks - Glad you liked it 👍
Bit of a wobble at 3:58 though 🙂
@@jgreystr Flinching at its finest 😜🤣
i remember when those HSTs first came out onto the rails. this is the first time i have seen them with no carriages and they look so strange without them and to use them as freight locos as well. never imagined such a thing would happen to them but is seems to work and they may get another decade or so use out of them by doing that. it seems to work so fairs fair.
I'm not the only one who jumps a bit when a train blows at me even the professionals do from time to time great footage as always I'm a big fan of yours
I could only imagine 125mph deliveries lol
haha class 43 delivery go brrrrr
That would be a thing to see 😜👍
Not sure that’s the safest way to exit a 90 by todays H&S standards, glad he was lucky enough to get off safely this time 🤷🏼♂️
Not the brightest move considering his driver made a full stop and falling between the platform on the move - well i've seen that happen and it's very unpleasant to see.
@@leonblittle226 perfectly safe if hes paying attention, considering that used to be the way that litteraly everyone got off trains before CDL, just cos health and safety standards are different doesnt mean its actaully any more dangerous than it was in the 80s
@@Trainman10715 just because standards were low in the 80's doesn't make this move safe in any way. You can tell he's not the brightest of sparks and same applies to you too.
@@five-o5362 no just because standards are excessive nowadays doesn't mean people couldn't take care of themselves in days gone by, it's perfectly safe if you're paying attention in the same way that crossing the road is perfectly safe if you're paying attention. It is infact you who isn't the brightest spark, just because you can't take care of yourself and need other people with arbitrary standards to do it for you doesn't mean the rest of us are all dimwits
@@Trainman10715 everyone's a gangsta until one day their foot slips or they jump off making the slightest of misjudgments and magically (since it's 100% safe "if you're paying attention", so it can only be by magic) end up between the platform and moving locomotive. Intelligent people identify the risk and mitigate it. Nothing to do with health and safety - it's common sense.
Great timing for the freight at Crewe
Do like the livery on the power cars
The grid had a fantastic departure 👌
While they do have 2250hp each, they are geared for over 125mph running which doesn't lend itself to a high level of traction. Still it's better than a trip to the scrapper which is what many will be looking at by the end of this year.
Not geared for 125mph anymore.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf Not if they're going to be used primarily as freight locomotives, no. The 125ph gearing made sense for passenger services, but the Mk3s don't meet the required disability legislation anymore, so the vast majority are either preserved or scrapped.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf since when? no ones said anything about their gearing being modified, you dont need much tractive force for EMU stock moves
@@Trainman10715
RailAdventure does not only move EMUs. For example: "New Vectrons On Buggies" - th-cam.com/video/0iMmpSMBV_w/w-d-xo.html
RA hasn't been in the UK for very long, so I'm sure there's a lot more to come in the future.
@@pearlyhumbucker9065 as far as I've heard, the HST power cars are only for emu moves and other light duties, nothing that requires tractive force
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it - Cheers Dave 👍
Rail Adventure HST. For this run they have not used the weighted flat wagons so from experience the braking capacity of the 4 locos and two wagons is sufficient fore purpose. They will not be using the 9000 HP just the 24 (6x4) total braked axles.
They're only 4 axle locos
Those Rail Adventure PCs were at Chaddesden Sidings Friday
Sounds like only front and back power cars are actually running but are left coupled in pairs for brake force
I think you are right about that. Normally, when RA transfers unbraked EMUs and DEMUs, they use a lot of brake vans with ballast blocks, which they can save by using the combination of power cars they use in the UK.
This should not be more expensive, because the brake vans also have to be towed along on the journey to the starting station.
Won't be long before we see the new class 93 electric out on test here, I believe there's a couple over here now ready for testing.
Hi Keith, the first class 93’s are currently scheduled to arrive into the UK during the 2nd week of April. 👍
The 43s look so weird without the Yellow on the front
I keep thinking the photos and pictures of these hsts are in black and white
Great video! Seems like the 777s have been parked up forever, if these are the ones that were next to the Stoke line and Pottery Loop. Good views on the video of the other side of the carriage sidings.
Thanks. Yes - Those are the ones.. TFW stock is now in those bays next to the Stoke line. 👍
Was that a lash up of break pipes between the barrier wagons and the new units?.
The class 43 look champion in that livery do they use them dual formation front back for coupling reasons and they never had any buffers on the rear.
Love hsts
I always wondered why Rail Adventure uses the 43's in a 2 + 2 formation with the barrier coaches inbetween, any ideas or is it simply down to extra braking force of two extra power cars that can also help get up to speed for a particular heavy goods train?
Use for powercars in pairs is necessary for both tractive output aswell as couplings, back of a powercar has Buckeyes and the barriers do not.
Its for braking force apparently,theres usually a barrier vehicle x 2 x class 20s on the other end,it makes quite a sight to see
@@robertasten325 barriers are for brake force not powercars, 20s also stepped in as one of the powercar pairings had issues.
@@edchapman7081 not tractive output, the 43s on the back dont provide any tractive power, none of those intermediate vehicles are fitted with the HSTs unique multi working system
@@edchapman7081
Barriers normally are not for braking. They have special ends that can be easily converted and adapted to the respective vehicles to be coupled. (Stop video at 7:35)
The principle of RA is to run the vehicles to be coupled without brakes. The brakes are normally replaced by brake wagons loaded with ballast blocks.
Sounded like only one power car from each loco set was running?
only one power car was providing traction as only one is nessesary, the one on the back is running to provide power for the auxiliaries in the rear power cars like the tail lights and compressors
Next stop Engineers Spoil trains, handy for push pull out of a Possession 😁👍
A part of me wonders how fast 4 HST's could Go....
500mph..? 😜🤣
Indeed hst power cars can only have special couplers on there fronts back of power cars only got carriage couplers on there rears instead of running round and hassle off removing and refiting special couplers which isn't a 5 min job driver changes end's
9̶0̶0̶0̶ 4500 BHP from 2x power cars
As originally built, they were 4500hp per car, not per pair. So there’s 18000hp in use here.
@Kevin Twining you sure? With respect, class 43's aka HST power cars, have 2250hp each power car. That's 4500hp a pair.
@@phillynch3819 I was around when they were introduced in the early 1970s. Each power car had over 4400hp - they were highlighted as the most powerful single engine diesel power units in the world, and were big news! With one at each end of a HST, they could accelerate the train quickly to its operational 125mph limit.
The whole train under full power had a theoretical maximum speed of 160mph, and several full units easily reached 150mph under test, still accelerating strongly. That’s two power cars and the original 9 heavy passenger cars. 4500hp ain’t doing that.
Just consider - a modern 9-10 coach electric non-EMU TGV has a single 7-9000hp power unit at EACH END to reach 300km/hr. The original 280kph 12 coach articulated TGVs had two 6000hp units. Another 4-6000hp needed to add the additional operational 20kph! The French 6 lightweight double-deck coach TGVs have one 12000hp push-pull power unit to hit that speed. The trains used for Eurotunnel’s ‘Le Shuttle’ double deck car carriers/single deck bus and truck carriers have 18000hp at each end to reach 100mph very quickly. The latest Eurostar EMU trains muster almost 20000hp. The original two power unit articulated Eurostar trains each had two 9000hp units, 18000hp in total. The power requirements for high speed increase exponentially the faster you go. At 130mph, you need almost as much power again as you used to get there to squeeze out another 20-30mph.
Perhaps the HST power cars have been de-rated as they haven’t been used for HST operations in a very long while. It’s also highly doubtful that any of them have their original engine/alternator sets. I don’t know. I just know what I remember from their introduction, over 50 years ago.
@@Twittler1 Whatever you read, the hp was the combination of the 2 power cars NOT each. Easy enough mistake to make, but I assure you I am correct.
@@Twittler1 It matters little, these are MTU power cars "each repowered with a 1680 kW 16V Series 4000 diesel engine by the German drive system manufacturer MTU Friedrichshafen" and in this footage only one of the cars at either end is under power.
always wandered why some companies use the hsts for freight purposes… I mean even for high speed freight a class 67 would be much better and probably cheaper too.
Nah, 67s are useless for this work cos they're not versatile enough, hst power cars are used cos they can go almost anywhere with their low axel load
@@Trainman10715 ahhhh I see I didn’t think of that tbh cus the 67s are fat aren’t they
RA is not your normal freight company. They own a HighSpeed-capable passenger train named LUXON.
And why is a 67 better? And cheaper too?
How do you know what RA paid for the 43? It could hardly have been much more than a scrap price........
@@TheDrink03 yeah theyre has heavy as a 6 axel loco but they only have 4 axels resulting in an excessive axel load and very restricitve RA, they were always intended for high speed freight but have never excelled at it
@@pearlyhumbucker9065 truthfully I dont know I just assumed the 43s would be more expensive especially for 8 of the units but as somebody else pointed out the 43 is better for this kind of work which means I learnt something new :)
Only 2 power cars I use 1 back and 1 front
Yup I was wondering the same, why 4? they used to be 2 locos for 8 carriages anyway.
Not that I'm complaining, they look cool. that livery is awesome.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 it’s because the inner couplings of the power cars (non cab ends) are buckeyes so you can’t couple to another vehicle unless it has another buckeye coupling and the barrier vehicles don’t - they have screw couplings. Also even if couplings weren’t an issue and you only had 1 power car each end the performance would be quite poor because the formation isn’t wired to control the rear power car from the front one so it would just be the front power car at 2250hp doing all the work through the high speed gearing and that’s quite slow in acceleration terms.
@@79MBO Thanks!
hi, great video, a bit confused,,why didnt the clowns use a class 66 for this job ?
Hi Peter, the TOC with the contract for these moves is Rail Adventure. They don’t have class 66’s in their fleet so that’s not an option for them.
Peter, as you are such an expert with a far superior knowledge to time served traffic planners, please let us know the thinking behind your comment. If indeed there was any.
Reckon they know more about stock moves than some random tw*t on TH-cam, considering they’ve been doing them in Europe for almost a decade.
More like 1770bhp
You can see and hear that only the lead powercar is providing traction, the rest is dead weight
0:44 wtf is that train
Class 730 unit for LNWR..
@@trainsplanes cool
4500 HP, the rear power cars werent doing anything
While it's good to see HSTs being re-used, this is a very inefficient way to do so when a single loco could easily have done the job! That's a huge amount of unnecessary weight being carted around compared to one loco. The railway is not getting greener in areas where it should be.
really you aught to do your research before posting rather ignorent comments. the EMUs use a propretary EP brake system that is not compatible with the class 43s (or any loco). so the EMUs are unbraked during this move and so extra vehicles are required for brake force. railway safety will always come before silly green agendas
@@Trainman10715 The brake force can be from normal carriages, rather than heavy and expensive HST power cars. "Silly green agendas" - no; sensible use of resources, yes. I would also suggest that if calling someone "ignorent" you try to spell your words correctly!
@@iandocwra1169 but carriages have less brake force than locomotives so it requires less vehicles to use locomotives, so it's actually a better use of resources to use the other power cars as they have done, again I suggest that you simply keep your mouth shut on things that you have no knowledge on. only one of the power cars was actually providing tractive power so there's little extra cost to using the others for brake force over raiding a depot for 5x mark 1s to put in the formation. Rather than just trying to be an armchair know-it-all on a topic that you're clearly very ignorant on, why don't you leave it to the people who know what they're doing
@@iandocwra1169 The fact that you recognise misspellings does not change the fact that you otherwise spout a lot of nonsense.
Brake force cannot come from normal wagons, it must be supplied by loaded wagons. Which, of course, have to be present in the majority and have to be dragged along on all journeys - which means that from this point of view there is no advantage to be gained from brake wagons. And immediately, of course, the green argument is out of the window, because in view of the in this context really silly green agendas, one wonders why the dead weight of brake vans is greener than the dead weight of locomotives?
Note: Braking power also depends on axle pressure. And that depends on the weight of the vehicle.
@@pearlyhumbucker9065 🤣
9000hp at each end!!
No, 4500bhp at each end.
Using HST power cars as locomotives odd
What a nonsense. A power car IS a locomotive.
PRIJECT OVERKILL... 😂
Hardly
why do you you need 9000hp to tow some tin can trash dmu's lol 😆 its like having 2 deltics pulling one class 150 dmu pointless and a waste of fuel! the hst's look coll but I reckon they should have put an extra cab on them and made a few of them into single use power units!!! Good video 😍🥰🤩
Use for 2 powercars is necessary as the rear of one can't directly couple to the barrier wagons as they aren't fitted with buckeye couplings, that and they don't necessarily have the tractive output to run solo with such a consist. 4 in total was used due to required reversals en route.
As for the 777, hardly trash if anything far superior to what they're replacing.
777s aren't DMUs, they're electric.
@@nicholasbyrne6485 very much aware👍
Brake force, only one of the power cars was providing traction power
pitty this trash the hst's are tugging isn't in route to simms for scrapping lol 😆