So grateful God led me to Dr. HEiser.....i am 59 yrs old and just now beginning to understand scripture because of Dr.Heiser..thank u for posting...love2 all
What an awesome interview 👏🏾 praying for Michael Heiser health, his family, and all believe. Praying that interview like this will cause more to believe 🙏
One thing my brain hasn't come to a conclusion on is.... at the tower of Babel when the Father divides the people and confounds their languages, who exactly are the 70 beings from the Heavenly hosts he uses to rule over them? Members of the council, angels, something else?
@@noragriffin6432 It is just a made up story book with countless errors and contradictions. Don’t get too hung up on the inconsistencies, it’s all a lie anyways.
Around the third time reading through the Bible I realized a lot of what I had learned my entire life didn't exactly line up with what I was reading in God's word. I just couldn't make it fit together. Since then I have prayed that the Lord would enable me to too put away all that I had been taught and to see His Word for what it really was, as if I had no previous knowledge. Ironically I now observe the Biblical Holy Days and observe a Saturday Sabbath, these being the most outwardly observable changes I've experienced, though there were many others as well.
Wonderful!!! Thank you for asking the question and allowing him the time and space to complete his answer, so many interviewers rush through and as always Dr. Heiser is so enjoyable and relates Biblical scenarios in an easy to understand manner.
Good interview. Dr. Heiser is a treasure to the Church. My only complaint is it wasn't longer. I hope you listen to his Naked Bible Podcast it really helped me with understanding the bible on a different level.
I was lead by the Holy Spirit to a number of righteous teachers* drawing me back to the right path. Dr Heiser was the last one about 4 years ago and I learned why. If I'd not been rebuilt with the solid foundation of learning the Bible's truth (not manmade doctrines) I would not understand much of anything Dr Heiser talks about. Even now I still am challenged to wrap my brain around some things and still fail. But failing less and less is progress. Praise be to God!!! *before beginning this "comeback" I prayed to be lead to righteous teachers, speaking no lies and in a way I could understand it. Step by step the teaching built up the foundation layer by layer. When I was ready for the next layer, I was lead to another. All on TH-cam.
@tom younger First step was to cleanse away the KJV-only stumbling block and James White was used for that and only that. Even at that early stage I knew something was wrong with his theology via his snarky attitude. Mark Lanier with his Church History series which started to prep my mind for his big series Biblical Literacy. This gave me a good foundation for the more advanced knowledge to come. Shoehorned in there was a 9 month survey course at our church, not too deep but gave me the broad perspective of the Bible in general but especially how the OT and NT and everything in between is intertwined from the first to last page. Never realized that before. I picked up nuggets here and there, mostly on TH-cam. Bryan Melvin, Dean Braxton, Bill Wiese and Ian MacCormick who have great insight into the spiritual realms of heaven and hell via their experiences. Plus a couple more I can't recall. It was Bryan Melvin who suggested the next big step and that was BSF Bible Study Fellowship which has been an awesome tool and experience. So that's been going for 5-6 years. Dr Michael Brown dropped in somewhere in the blur of time to cover various topics from the Jewish perspective and modern day issues. Three years ago when the BSF classes ended for the summer I was bummed out. I was on fire but now what to do? I prayed about what was I to do for the summer. Well, a week or less I was lead to Dr Hugh Ross and my universe exploded (pun intended) which made me see Genesis and the Creation in wide angle view! As my mind was starting to grasp the incomprehensible nature of Creation, then WAM!! I was lead to Dr Micheal Heiser on Skywatch TV talking about the Unseen Realm and a short time later the nuclear mind blower.....Revesing Hermon. My life has not been the same since then, literally. Its a rare day I don't do something connected with the Bible even if its comparing renderings of different English translations on BibleGateway.com. That's the condensed version! :)
I feel blessed I think I’ve had my phone three years now you were the very first TH-cam person that I remember listening to I was blessed I am grateful that God had you do what you do with your life and that you do what you do for him very good very good
1:15:22 Wonderfully simple and elegant. Thank you for opening the door to a great place for me to share with my family new experiences with God !!! I have to try and live in a world where people around me don’t know what I’m going through and they are loving but stressed and struggling with how they perceive my changes. I’m a child maybe even a little teenage in shifting with all this revelation that hasnt quite changed everything to keep me from self destructive tendencies. I’m hoping to find some peace and comfort with them to heal ourselves through God and forgive from the heart.
GBU, again! You said that Christian's should read the Bible, as if it was fiction! I get the same adventurous experience, with the audio Bible! I love my Bible, but audio helps me feel as if I were living in those times! I carry a conversation with the Lord, and I pick up, many times revelation on certain verses, that was overlooked, when I read it! Just want to say, I have learned much from Dr. Heiser, the Skywatch staff, and Dr. Missler; all have been a blessing in my life, and my ministry! On Wings Of An Eagle/djwunministries. 🌹
I just found your channel, I think you are a natural in this. You ask good questions and also give the guest time to explain things properly. Great job!
Romans 9:22-24. God demonstrates His Power and love to us whom are His be second birth , by allowing sinners to seemingly get away with all kinds of evil. In this act , He is showing us His Devine patience , long suffering and kindness toward us when we fail. As Sons and daughters. He is making known to us the riches of His grace and mercy.
Great teaching, Well put with sound understanding. My view on Peters sifting varies slightly. At one point Peter made a claim/boast, that if even all the rest would leave him that he never would. Matthew 26.33. Whenever a believer makes a claim on their abilities, integrity, strength, or whatever, then to me it seems Satan has a wright or authority to challenge that claim. That is why we as believers are instructed to not say, I will do such and such, but by the grace of God I hope to do such and such. James 4 13-15.
So interesting.Lots to look at and learn more about. One flag: "God just likes to do that." Heisler makes quite a few somewhat confident statements about what God enjoys/wants, or what God's motives are. Not sure it's that cut and dry.
It's all in the texts. We all have a favoured attribute of God when we read the texts. I like "take a pill" Jesus. Martha's spazzing out, and he's just like "nobody's forcing you to be up in the kitchen, lady. You could be out here chilling with us." But my favourite aspect of him is that he adored his mother and obviously loved her very, very deeply. She wants the wedding at Cana to continue because she's having a great time and she's so happy and joyful, but if he turns the water to wine, he's now exposed his true nature and his time of being her son is over. He has to go be the lamb of God and go off to die. He does what she wants anyway because she asked him to and because he loves her and he just wants to give her some happiness before she will have to watch her baby die. To me, there's no mystery about what he was doing or what his motivation was in that moment. He just wanted to give his mother one more moment of joy, one more good memory before his time of leaving came. I'm not even sure what I believe in, God or no God or whatever, but that one moment in the whole text, all 6,000 of them, hits me every single time. His time was coming and he knew it. He easily could have revealed himself by raising the dead, or walking on water, or any number of other acts he performed later, but instead he chose to expose his true nature when he did because he wanted his mother to be happy for just a little while longer. Think of a God who would love any of us enough to hurry their own horrific and brutal demise in order to give any of us just a little more time to be happy. The mere concept of it is confounding. But it's also so simple that anyone could understand it. It's all in the text.
He can make any claims he wants about god because there is no way to verify them. There is no way to even show that a god could exist, let alone that one does exist.
My view on Jobs trial is, that God had it planned from the beginning to test Job. As he tests all that are his. Putting it simply for through testing he perfected his heart. Our wonderful God only takes good things from us temporarily, that he can give even more to us. That's how Awesome he is.
Great show! Love the content of discussion... Couple considerations; 1) In Job’s Case, it’s not necessarily an Either/Or situation. There can be a third explanation. “The” adversary can be specifically describing Satan according to what he does. I think Dr. Heiser’s explanation is more in line with as “AN” adversary (non specific) rather than “the” adversary... (very specific) Agreed, the Hebrew definite article (the) means adversary is not operating in this verse as a proper name but it’s clearly a job description most profoundly pointing to Satan. IE: Compare with Peter’s description in NT; “Your adversary” “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” I Peter 5:8 NKJV Whereas, both THE adversary-and YOUR adversary can communicate cohesively the adversary of adversaries=The Devil/Satan with no contradiction. 2) Ahab is given prior knowledge and told by the prophet of God what’s actually going on in terms of the deceiving spirit allowed/sent by God that is causing his prophets to lie and Ahab still doesn’t listen... Thus, God’s decision for Ahab’s judgment is ultimately revealed to Ahab by God’s truth which he (Ahab) rejects... And falls perfectly in line the James passage: “Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (Context=by evil) But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.” James 1:13-15 NKJV Hence, this Ahab judgment situation that God allowed drew out what was already in Ahab’s wicked heart-(massive arrogance and his own sin to do evil contrary to God’s will despite being told point blank how it will end for him...
In Job 36 we hear Elihu give a reason for Job's suffering, "...for it was to prevent you from getting into a life of evil that God sent this suffering." (Job 36:21) Given Job's obsession with judgement on the godless mentioned in the preceding verses, it is possible that he was becoming more and more susceptible to seeing it carried out, regardless of the method. Perhaps this suffering served to prevent Job from becoming a self righteous vigilante. Since God never reprimanded Elihu, I always considered his speech to be valid. Just a thought.
@min.11:55, Just seconds over 6 minutes Dr. David Neiman lectures on Discovering Genesis, lecture 1 sample "Anthropology" he too says, the writers were (radical). He should know, being Jewish but forthright as Michael in all his lectures. Dr. Neiman's short clips are on Ancient History, Biblical History, Jewish History, and Christian History. God bless!!!
Wonderful discussion. Quality understanding Note/ the THEME OF SNARES in Bible. 1Cor 2: 7,8 or eg. Ps 91 Snare of the Fowler The Bigger Picture from Befòre Creation to Rev 20 : 14 .. the knowledge that God knew the earth will be destroyed affects how we read the Word. Knowing that, Genesis 1 need a deeper study
The footsteps of the Queen of Heaven echo through the Ages up until Revelation 18: 23, 24 and 19: 2, 3 Please help me here .. For me it starts in Gen 1: 26:31 the created/ bara equal in rulership woman. NÒT EVE who is built / bana ...out of Adam's flesh. She is a powerful presence in all of Mythology.. Isis - Ishtar - Zachariah 5: 5-11 The Woman of Wickedness... 1. Only human females have a womb. 2. Gen 3: 22 Possibility of Evil Immortals 3. As equal to Adam she has a title of rulership ... She who rides the Beast. 4. Babylon as a 2nd Heaven City like Jerusalem in 3rd heaven 5. Revelation 17- 18 is her .. as a world witchcraft power. God hates her and so does Satan .. All the myths talk of this Queen 6. Could there be an evil Immortal Female Principalty ... I think so
*Think very carefully* *before you ask the* *Lord God for the* *patience of Job !!* *It Takes a Long Time* *as Job's patience* *was perfected* *By God !!*
Once you know and believe that turning the key on a car will start it, you can't unbelieve it.... Once your old enough to know your dad is your dad, no power can make you not believe it. If he's your true father, you always know it.... Same with the gospel... I believe anyway.
No, Satan is the devil, sometimes they put way to much thought into something that's actually really simple, and YES, you can lose your salvation that is what unrepentant sin does. So please repent, and turn to Jesus Christ.
We couldn't figure God our Creator out by our studying, or our best knowledge. It'll just fall into the deceiption of the dark side easily. I don't mean at all. But if it is just one point, it can be led by the wrong side and go further. All has to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and the Word of God. Not just the Word of God. And especially from man trying to figure it out. How far heaven is above the earth, how above is His Way and His Thought from ours. Love in Him
🤔 Interesting to hear that the old pagan gods of Mesopotamia called their worshipers slaves... ☪️🕋 In the muslim quran, their god allah describes himself as their "master" and his worshipers are his "slaves". ✝️⛪ How extremely blessed are we, to know the true God and be His beloved children!
I no longer believe that Ha Satan backed God into corner in regards to Job. I used to, and the situation angered me a lot. It took me finally understanding that the adversary works for God, he does his bidding, and the main function of his office is to test us at God's command. He sifted Job, Jesus and Peter, just to name a few mentioned in the bible, and its not to be understated that he sought God's permission each time. We all need to be sifted, or proven through temptation. It proves who we are and what we truly believe. It's why the Tree of The Knowledge of Good And Evil existed in the garden. If you read Job again through that lens, it all really makes sense.
Maybe he’s never been introduced to the content Heiser is a scholar of. Much of what Joe believes or thinks he knows about has another explanation. Heiser has been on pagan podcast, alien conventions etc. He’s considered “fringe” in the Christian world. Check out his content on TH-cam. You might be surprised by his take(as well as other scholars) on biblical theology
Something that I have always wondered that no one can ever answer for me is this, I don't understand why the Bible talks about us (gentiles) being adopted If God created us to be equal. Why would God have "Chosen" People in the first place? I mean, I understand the phrase, we are all his creation, but not all his children. I do not understand why God would make a chosen people and then adopt others?
What a great question. We will ask our next theologian. Maybe it means chosen as they were the first , . Or like a parent you love all your kids but Maybe you have a favorite?
thank you! I am app irate it. It seems to me God has favorites, but if I am not mistaken I believe it says in Romans 2: 11 that God does not show favoritism. However, if you back up a verse to Romans 2:10 it says, "first for the Jew and then for the gentile. This insinuates that the jew does have a little bit of privilege going on. It also says, All are equal before Him. Ephesians 6:9 says, “There is no favoritism with him.” Colossians 3:25 teaches God’s fairness in judgment: “Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism.” there is a lot I am not understanding but I long to know the truth. 🤗
So is there a verse that would back up that anything outside of Eden wasn't perfect? That seems like conjecture, but I'd be glad to consider anything in the Bible that says otherwise.
The fact that part of Adam’s and Eve’s punishment was being expelled from the Garden of Eden is evidence. Mountains and gardens were known by ANE people to be the residences of gods. So the expulsion of Adam and Eve happened because they could no longer be in God’s presence.
Yes it boggles the mind to think that GOD Walk with your grandfather's, talk with them and sent prophets throughout history to tell them HIS thoughts. And even after all this proof, that GOD is a Real Live Being, the people rebel and turn against GOD. Every 4th generation. Like clockwork. Why? THEY KNOW GOD EXIST! How could GOD'S Wrath and Anger be forgotten and dismissed so easily? What did those other God's do for them, besides teaching evil things?
What I am sensing here too is that the human creation caused envy & resentment per members of the assembly. The challenge is to test Job to reveal to Yahweh that Job is only favored because he is ‘favored’...hence, your ‘boy’ is flawed like the rest of them....we here at the assembly, (the gods of God) are the superior creation and we should be ‘enough’ ...we are your family. 😬
Love to listen to Mike. Oh and according to Hebrew 9:16 we don’t have a New Testament until Christ dies so I ripped that page before Matthew from my Bible.
@@PrissyLadyVenom well a New Testament can’t happen before the testator dies, so how could the 4 gospels be ‘New Testament?’ Besides few people actually analyze what Hebrews 8 actually says but here’s a hint in Heb 8:13 ‘the old covenant is READY to vanish away.’ Not that it has you see. If you’re not born again, you’re still under the first covenant as far as the ‘HEBREWS’ are concerned. It’s Paul and he alone who is the apostle to the Gentiles;-). Good Night 😴
@@ea32da32 good morning. The New Testament shows the fulfillment of the old covenants. Hebrews 9:16,17 a last will and testament illustrates the necessity of Christ death for the fulfillment of the covenant. Your logic is akin to saying the Old Testament doesn’t begin until after the fall because this is when God makes the covenant with us. Just as the OTT begins with creation story, The New Testament text begins with the arrival of the promised messiah and takes us through his ministry and fulfillment of other prophecies (keep in mind that there are over 300 prophecies of the messiah - outside of his death and resurrection, and Christ fulfils them perfectly)
Maybe you can clear up something on Psalm 82: I had tended to doubt that the elohim were divine because of my assumption that angelic creatures were immortal, vs. this passage stating that they would "die like men". Was my assumption wrong? Are angels mortal?
We know from Genesis and Titus that the Ben-Elohim, the Watchers, fell from their First Estate, and Isaiah how that happened (he depicts a war in Heaven), and that they rebelled against G-d the Father, along with their leader, Ha'satan. They are immortal. But they are seperated from G-d the Father, which the unredeemed human is until s/he IS redeemed. There is no redemption for the Fallen Angels. Because of that seperation, Jesus warns us not to fear the one who can only destroy our bodies, but to fear the One who can destroy our souls in the Second Death, that is the ultimate seperation from G-d the Father at the Great White Throne Judgment (NOT The Bema Seat Judgment of the Bride of Christ's works and following rewards for same before the Trib Period, after we are Harpazoed out of here!). The Bible describes Humankind as 'men', a kind of shorthand; so the angels who will 'die as men' are fully seperated from Heaven and their Creator, as unredeemed men will, sadly, be, and this will be their eternal and awful torment. torment This is my read on this, of course. Hope this makes some sort of sense to you, bro.
@Chaplain Dave Sparks: The meeting of the Divine Council was convened by God (Yahweh) because the sons of God (lesser elohim) had not performed the task he assigned them in the way He had directed them to judge the nations. V2 is the chastisement, 3-5 is what God had told them to do, and 6-7 is their punishment for leading people to worship them and accepting their worship. The members of heavenly host were created to be immortal, but these elohim God was addressing would now would be mortal beings and would die like men die.
Today so many have faith in and idolize things created by man either the material things or structure systems organized by men putting faith in them not in Christ. You’ll either be a lover of the worldly things or a lover of God & his creation his perfect intended structures. Be in the world but not of the worldly things it has a very deep meaning that I’m continuing to understand in a more profound way daily. I’m seeing everyday that the Beast is the man made systems that’s why it’s the number of man cause we built it up and continue to empower the beast system. To many people idolize and are a lover of these things more than Christ & his structure that is perfect for us yet filled with imperfect sinners. All the system mankind has built up is turning on and working to destroy the family in every way.
Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Proverbs 23:12 Apply thine heart unto instruction, and thine ears to the words of knowledge. Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: Malachi 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Jeremiah 33:6 Behold, I will bring it health and cure, and I will cure them, and will reveal unto them the abundance of peace and truth. Ecclesiastes 7:17 Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time? Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
FICTION I THINK WE SHOULD READ IT SEEING IT AS REAL AS IT WAS SO THAT WE CAN ENCOUNTER FAITH FROM THE ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD MICHAEL. WE WILL BE THINKING WOW THIS IS WHAT THE FATHER THINKS SAYS HOW GREAT HE IS WOW HOLY IS OUR GOD OHH THE FATHER SAID JESUS WILL SAVE ME FROM MY SIN SO I AM MADE RIGHTEOUS RIGHT BEFORE THE LORD GOD. SO WE CAN MEDITATE ON GOD HIMSELF...I GOT THAT OUT OF BELIEVING EVERY WORD...HALLELUJAHHH HE IS HOLY AND HAS GIVEN US GLIMPSES OF HIS GLORY WORTHY THANK YOU LORD!
I would attempt to point out a logical position here that Mike highlights but sees only one side of. At 50 minutes on He is pointing out how the crucifixion is the secret blow, the uppercut, that the enemy, the Ha satan, did not expect. The move of God to break their attack and make their doom irreversible. All excellent stuff. I accept this just fine. However Mike then points out that this is achieved buy God becoming a man and being crucified as the blood covering for all those who "believe" in this. This concept of the incarnate God, the God man. Rising from the dead and now "over" those rebels in authority. Adams capitulation answered by God Himself. I feel this is where religion is still clouding the plan of God. What is missed is the logic, the equivalent logic that a man, a special perfectly conceived man, a second Adam seeded in the woman but who is not actually incarnate pre existing God, can also follow obediently to the cross, be raised and seated at Gods right hand and "made Lord" over those same spiritual rebels. Acts 2:36 says this. Will this not achieve the same result?? Instead of God becoming a man and returning to be God, we have the logic that a man being raised by God and glorified as if God. Like Joseph was under Pharaoh (we are always told Joseph is a christ type, and Joseph was NOT an egyptian). God produces the perfect "one of the flock" by special conception bypassing the seed of Adam (but fulfills Gen 3:15 re the seed of the woman) and allows that Lamb to be crucified, as Gods sacrifice. The spotless one of the flock. (what flock? are we not always referred to as a flock of Gods sheep) Thereby putting a "man" on the throne (co ruler ship) of God and being MADE lord of all, like Joseph was. This is the office of "imager" that Adam was supposed to have and is seen all through the bible. The same result therefore occurs that Mike is explaining, where the rebels are checked and now a man is higher in authority than they are, they have been outwitted by God not divulging everything (otherwise they wouldnt have killed Jesus as Mike points out) and a whole bunch of others (the body of Christ) are now too, now in bodies of flesh in the world, but no longer of the world. We are raised in new birth in authority above those eveil powers and principalities (and they hate that!) And we are promised we will be raised to the same state of glory to reign with that first raised Man, Jesus. !!!! I mean logically if the spiritual Ha satan was an evil intellegent force active still in the world wouldnt we expect that adversary to cloud this issue, and try to rob the body of Christ from full understanding of the issue, so as to weaken the body?? By twisted truths and part misunderstandings? Why does God have to become a man when a man could be raised to Gods authority to achieve the same ends? Is trinitarianism really the absolute truth?
Go to Jonathan Kleck,s YT channel. There you will find the missing pieces to the puzzle. I struggled for years with the same inconsistencies but Jonathan cleared that all up. It was a relief and my own road to Damascus moment
If sin were separated from us by just a hair then it would be that we all together were free from sin yet how can that be accomplished? Can we gather sin up and cast it from us? Impossible since it abides within our hearts and minds...therefore God must go where sin is (within human flesh) and bares all the sin in order to take it to the watery grave and then leaves it there and arises unblemished unto life again! Salvation only happens when we acknowledge that Christ is in our heart since it is He that is carrying our sins. Praise God that He bears our sins so that we have life!
The Sabbath day was a type of this age we are now in. Jesus was accused of working on the Sabbath when he healed people. His reply was that God was working up until now and sent me to FINISH His work. His last words on the cross was “ It is finished “. He has now sat down at The Fathers right hand , resting until all His enemies are put under His feet. This era we are in is the Sabbath of rest. No work shall be done for salvation. Anyone found working for salvation shall not make it in. Salvation is totally by Gods Grace. Jesus paid it all.
1 Enoch should not be presented as truth, just because there is mention in the Bible indicated a knowledge of the writing. Paul, Peter, Jude only demonstrate their awareness of second temple literature. This does not mean we should accept any of this as truth. It is more likely they are showing their intended audience that they know of what was popular. Interestingly most of the writing is about refuting false teaching and bad understanding. Paul even mentions in Colossians that it is wrong to worship angels... John in Revelation also. Need to keep your hearts and minds on the main thing.
Heiser is fighting Unitarianism. Modern Evangelicals live in fear of God, while Jesus is reduced to a person waiting for you to come to the Rose Garden. Its the reason why churches are empty.
Revelation 13::18 is found in Zechariah 13:6-9 . It is a fraction . 666=2/3. 333=1/3. The number of a man (Adam) the number of his name ( unrepentant descendants). These are those whom are overcome by the beast , the rider on the red horse. The 1/3 are those conquered by the rider on the white horse ( Jesus ) and are rewarded with food and blessings by the black horse who follows ( the judge ) the ones conquered by the red horse rider are rewarded by the pale horse rider with death and Hell. Unregenerate humans are referred to as natural brute beasts waiting to be snared , captured and taken. There are two spirits at war for their numbers. The Holy Spirit of God Himself , and the adversary Satan. These two are the ones sent to conquer (Revelation 6:2-8.
This is Heiser's distorted and erroneous theology. The "gods" in Psalm 82 are not divine beings. How do we know? Because the immediate context tells us. Nowhere in the entire Bible do "gods" judge humans unjustly, so that God now has to judge them. Human judges are described in Psalm 82 based on the immediate context of that Psalm. We know that humans were called "elohim" meaning judges because of passages like Exodus 21:6 and Exodus 22:8-9. Right now I am interviewing the author of the book "The Unbiblical Realm: Refuting the Divine Council of Michael Heiser’s Deuteronomy 32 Worldview." We both came to similar conclusions without knowing each other before, and he cites others who also take issue with Heiser's theology. This is not rocket science here. Heiser simply misread several passages. Case in point. I have heard him say that Deut. 32:8 where he takes as original the reading "Sons of God" instead of "sons of Israel," is related to Deut. 4:19. He then argues that Deut. 4:19 is speaking of "heavenly beings." But anyone reading the immediate context of Deut. 4 starting from verse 15 down to 19 will see the clear reference to God warning against IDOL worship, not worship of any alleged "divine beings." No, Moses is talking in that context about the problems with idol worship of different kinds, and when we get down to verse 19, the flow of thought continues as God warns against a different kind of idol worship, the worship of heavenly bodies, the "sun, moon and stars, all the host of heaven." So one of his key passages he got grossly wrong. The fact that Heiser missed this simple truth from the immediate context speaks volumes, and it also speaks to how people can be blinded by a theology that they can't see the obvious. Deut. 4:19 is not speaking about any kind of real "gods" or "divine beings." God there is warning against idolatry, man made idols (carved images per vs. 16), and idols people could make of heavenly bodies.
I think I remember Dr. Heiser saying in another teaching that gradually the Satan (a job description) became tied up with just being evil (a personality trait) and was the name was then applied to Lucifer. The first verse you quote is from the New Testament, so thousands of years had passed for the title "Satan" (like doctor or lawyer) to become an actual name.
When you think of people such as this liar, ponder these words well.. The Jesuit Oath of Indunction states: “You have been taught to act the dissembler among the Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic,... Among the reformers, to be a reformer;... among the Protestants, generally to be a Protestant: and obtaining their confidence to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and even to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope.... to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope” …’and to be all things to all men for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.’ …’I do farther promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume any religion heretical, for the propagating of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents’ counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred convent.’ Dr. J.A. Wylie eloquently observed, "There is no disguise which the Jesuit will not wear, no art he will not employ, no motive he will not feign, no creed he will not profess, provided only he can acquit himself a true soldier in the Jesuit army, and accomplish the work on which he has been sent forth’
So God made himself into man in order to correct a faulty plan to unite his heavenly family with his earthly family. Doesn't sound so omniscient to me!
The book of the Torah is amongst other things a book of Jewish linage. From Adam and Eve to present day if one was to connect the dots. Adam and Eve are not the world's first parents. They are the first Jews! Caine himself married out of his own tribe, proof this is true. The God of the old testament is not the same being as the true God from the new. God of the new spoke to Jesus like a father to a son. God of the old spoke through Fire, Dark clouds, burning bushes etc, etc. This Jealous God he called himself. The Jewish alphabet is symbols of flames! They say the Eskimo have over 60 words for snow, because they live in and amongst snow. So it has shaped their language. I wonder who lives in and amongst fire, brimstone and dark clouds. Be careful who you send your prayers towards.
Races were created before the flood.. bare minimum of 201 variation of man... 200 watchers desended on mount hermon... and then u have God's man.. Adam, Seth lineage
So grateful God led me to Dr. HEiser.....i am 59 yrs old and just now beginning to understand scripture because of Dr.Heiser..thank u for posting...love2 all
Same. I'll be 54 in July. I'm so glad I found his videos.😊
I am so looking forward to shaking his hand & share a cup of heavens tea 🍵 some day soon.....SHALOM to all of you YHWH'S LOVE TEAM!
My prayers go out to Dr. Heiser. I pray he recovers fully! I pray for his family as well in Jesus name. God Bless you Dr Heiser!
I love Dr. Heiser’s brain! :) He has been so instrumental to my understanding of Scripture and its *context*.
Me too!
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I'm so thankful Father Savior for Dr. Heiser’s wisdom & knowledge. Thank you for helping me to understand Scripture and its meaning to my life.
What an awesome interview 👏🏾 praying for Michael Heiser health, his family, and all believe. Praying that interview like this will cause more to believe 🙏
Dr. Heiser is the best OT, ancient language scholar I've ever read. Thank you!!!!
Read more, then.
One thing my brain hasn't come to a conclusion on is.... at the tower of Babel when the Father divides the people and confounds their languages, who exactly are the 70 beings from the Heavenly hosts he uses to rule over them? Members of the council, angels, something else?
@@anotherone5926 I have.
He is
@@noragriffin6432 please watch Dr. Michael Heiser's videos on the Division of the nations. He gives you all the details you are looking for.
@@noragriffin6432 It is just a made up story book with countless errors and contradictions. Don’t get too hung up on the inconsistencies, it’s all a lie anyways.
Around the third time reading through the Bible I realized a lot of what I had learned my entire life didn't exactly line up with what I was reading in God's word. I just couldn't make it fit together. Since then I have prayed that the Lord would enable me to too put away all that I had been taught and to see His Word for what it really was, as if I had no previous knowledge. Ironically I now observe the Biblical Holy Days and observe a Saturday Sabbath, these being the most outwardly observable changes I've experienced, though there were many others as well.
SO VERY TRUE I HAVE SECURED FROM MY OWN BIBLE STUDY. ALL POINTS ARE ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE. THANK YOU
Wonderful!!! Thank you for asking the question and allowing him the time and space to complete his answer, so many interviewers rush through and as always Dr. Heiser is so enjoyable and relates Biblical scenarios in an easy to understand manner.
Thank you so much for this. Really means a lot!
I loved his description of evil and the hive mind at the end. It can’t anticipate.
I was never able to understand and connect the dots in scripture until Dr Heiser came into my life
This man helped me understand God and life here on earth.
Good interview. Dr. Heiser is a treasure to the Church. My only complaint is it wasn't longer. I hope you listen to his Naked Bible Podcast it really helped me with understanding the bible on a different level.
I was lead by the Holy Spirit to a number of righteous teachers* drawing me back to the right path. Dr Heiser was the last one about 4 years ago and I learned why. If I'd not been rebuilt with the solid foundation of learning the Bible's truth (not manmade doctrines) I would not understand much of anything Dr Heiser talks about. Even now I still am challenged to wrap my brain around some things and still fail. But failing less and less is progress. Praise be to God!!!
*before beginning this "comeback" I prayed to be lead to righteous teachers, speaking no lies and in a way I could understand it. Step by step the teaching built up the foundation layer by layer. When I was ready for the next layer, I was lead to another. All on TH-cam.
@tom younger First step was to cleanse away the KJV-only stumbling block and James White was used for that and only that. Even at that early stage I knew something was wrong with his theology via his snarky attitude. Mark Lanier with his Church History series which started to prep my mind for his big series Biblical Literacy. This gave me a good foundation for the more advanced knowledge to come.
Shoehorned in there was a 9 month survey course at our church, not too deep but gave me the broad perspective of the Bible in general but especially how the OT and NT and everything in between is intertwined from the first to last page. Never realized that before.
I picked up nuggets here and there, mostly on TH-cam. Bryan Melvin, Dean Braxton, Bill Wiese and Ian MacCormick who have great insight into the spiritual realms of heaven and hell via their experiences. Plus a couple more I can't recall.
It was Bryan Melvin who suggested the next big step and that was BSF Bible Study Fellowship which has been an awesome tool and experience. So that's been going for 5-6 years.
Dr Michael Brown dropped in somewhere in the blur of time to cover various topics from the Jewish perspective and modern day issues.
Three years ago when the BSF classes ended for the summer I was bummed out. I was on fire but now what to do? I prayed about what was I to do for the summer. Well, a week or less I was lead to Dr Hugh Ross and my universe exploded (pun intended) which made me see Genesis and the Creation in wide angle view!
As my mind was starting to grasp the incomprehensible nature of Creation, then WAM!! I was lead to Dr Micheal Heiser on Skywatch TV talking about the Unseen Realm and a short time later the nuclear mind blower.....Revesing Hermon. My life has not been the same since then, literally. Its a rare day I don't do something connected with the Bible even if its comparing renderings of different English translations on BibleGateway.com.
That's the condensed version! :)
Dr Heiser us the best!!!! I love his books. Thank you for having him on your show.
So Grateful For My Brother Michael Heiser !! Glory Hallelujah Amen !!
I feel blessed I think I’ve had my phone three years now you were the very first TH-cam person that I remember listening to I was blessed I am grateful that God had you do what you do with your life and that you do what you do for him very good very good
1:15:22 Wonderfully simple and elegant. Thank you for opening the door to a great place for me to share with my family new experiences with God !!! I have to try and live in a world where people around me don’t know what I’m going through and they are loving but stressed and struggling with how they perceive my changes. I’m a child maybe even a little teenage in shifting with all this revelation that hasnt quite changed everything to keep me from self destructive tendencies. I’m hoping to find some peace and comfort with them to heal ourselves through God and forgive from the heart.
Awesome! Great interview! Everytime I listen to Dr Heiser I learn something brand new.
What a great episode. Thank you.
Please pray for Dr Heiser for healing during these challenging times.
Dr Heiser states that he wants to be infectious with the true word..
INDEED HE HAD SUCCEEDED
LOVE HIS TEACHINGS
GBU, again! You said that Christian's should read the Bible, as if it was fiction! I get the same adventurous experience, with the audio Bible! I love my Bible, but audio helps me feel as if I were living in those times! I carry a conversation with the Lord, and I pick up, many times revelation on certain verses, that was overlooked, when I read it! Just want to say, I have learned much from Dr. Heiser, the Skywatch staff, and Dr. Missler; all have been a blessing in my life, and my ministry! On Wings Of An Eagle/djwunministries. 🌹
I just found your channel, I think you are a natural in this. You ask good questions and also give the guest time to explain things properly. Great job!
Hey thank you so much! Help us spread the word. We have lots more content coming in 2021!
@@kindachristian5268 Oops, guess that didn’t pan out.
This is great - always love a refresher on Heiser’s unseen realm teaching.
What a loss we endured with his passing.
Romans 9:22-24. God demonstrates His Power and love to us whom are His be second birth , by allowing sinners to seemingly get away with all kinds of evil. In this act , He is showing us His Devine patience , long suffering and kindness toward us when we fail. As Sons and daughters. He is making known to us the riches of His grace and mercy.
I would like to drink a coffee with him and have a chat. Would be a good time.
Any people eedtohae coffewith us and have his thoughts explained.
Great teaching, Well put with sound understanding. My view on Peters sifting varies slightly. At one point Peter made a claim/boast, that if even all the rest would leave him that he never would. Matthew 26.33. Whenever a believer makes a claim on their abilities, integrity, strength, or whatever, then to me it seems Satan has a wright or authority to challenge that claim. That is why we as believers are instructed to not say, I will do such and such, but by the grace of God I hope to do such and such. James 4 13-15.
Great content! Can't wait to watch more
Awesome stuff
Miss Him🙏
He's absolutely right about reading fiction.
So interesting.Lots to look at and learn more about. One flag: "God just likes to do that." Heisler makes quite a few somewhat confident statements about what God enjoys/wants, or what God's motives are. Not sure it's that cut and dry.
It's all in the texts. We all have a favoured attribute of God when we read the texts. I like "take a pill" Jesus. Martha's spazzing out, and he's just like "nobody's forcing you to be up in the kitchen, lady. You could be out here chilling with us."
But my favourite aspect of him is that he adored his mother and obviously loved her very, very deeply. She wants the wedding at Cana to continue because she's having a great time and she's so happy and joyful, but if he turns the water to wine, he's now exposed his true nature and his time of being her son is over. He has to go be the lamb of God and go off to die. He does what she wants anyway because she asked him to and because he loves her and he just wants to give her some happiness before she will have to watch her baby die. To me, there's no mystery about what he was doing or what his motivation was in that moment. He just wanted to give his mother one more moment of joy, one more good memory before his time of leaving came. I'm not even sure what I believe in, God or no God or whatever, but that one moment in the whole text, all 6,000 of them, hits me every single time. His time was coming and he knew it. He easily could have revealed himself by raising the dead, or walking on water, or any number of other acts he performed later, but instead he chose to expose his true nature when he did because he wanted his mother to be happy for just a little while longer. Think of a God who would love any of us enough to hurry their own horrific and brutal demise in order to give any of us just a little more time to be happy. The mere concept of it is confounding. But it's also so simple that anyone could understand it. It's all in the text.
He can make any claims he wants about god because there is no way to verify them. There is no way to even show that a god could exist, let alone that one does exist.
Cool stuff! I like this content and Ryan you did a GREAT job!
Just got my copy of his book. Can’t wait!
Such deep good stuff. Thanks.
Thank you!
My view on Jobs trial is, that God had it planned from the beginning to test Job. As he tests all that are his. Putting it simply for through testing he perfected his heart. Our wonderful God only takes good things from us temporarily, that he can give even more to us. That's how Awesome he is.
The grandma joke lol that was funny ...awesome talk by the way
Great show! Love the content of discussion...
Couple considerations;
1) In Job’s Case, it’s not necessarily an Either/Or situation. There can be a third explanation.
“The” adversary can be specifically describing Satan according to what he does.
I think Dr. Heiser’s explanation is more in line with as “AN” adversary (non specific) rather than “the” adversary... (very specific)
Agreed, the Hebrew definite article (the) means adversary is not operating in this verse as a proper name but it’s clearly a job description most profoundly pointing to Satan.
IE: Compare with Peter’s description in NT;
“Your adversary”
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.”
I Peter 5:8 NKJV
Whereas, both THE adversary-and YOUR adversary can communicate cohesively the adversary of adversaries=The Devil/Satan with no contradiction.
2) Ahab is given prior knowledge and told by the prophet of God what’s actually going on in terms of the deceiving spirit allowed/sent by God that is causing his prophets to lie and Ahab still doesn’t listen...
Thus, God’s decision for Ahab’s judgment is ultimately revealed to Ahab by God’s truth which he (Ahab) rejects...
And falls perfectly in line the James passage:
“Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (Context=by evil)
But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.”
James 1:13-15 NKJV
Hence, this Ahab judgment situation that God allowed drew out what was already in Ahab’s wicked heart-(massive arrogance and his own sin to do evil contrary to God’s will despite being told point blank how it will end for him...
interesting points- totally see how the Ahab sitation may not have been dishonesty after all, as he was warned!
✌in Michael, Excellent .
It's sad that he's passed :(
At this very moment MH is geeking out in heaven.
He was given mere weeks not long ago... we will see him again!!
the no-look pass analogy.... man hahaha incredible
The Plan of Yah is playing out ... and never "went astray", Mr. Interviewer. Whoa.
Wow! Excellent! Can you do a part 2? Subscribing!
In Job 36 we hear Elihu give a reason for Job's suffering, "...for it was to prevent you from getting into a life of evil that God sent this suffering." (Job 36:21) Given Job's obsession with judgement on the godless mentioned in the preceding verses, it is possible that he was becoming more and more susceptible to seeing it carried out, regardless of the method. Perhaps this suffering served to prevent Job from becoming a self righteous vigilante. Since God never reprimanded Elihu, I always considered his speech to be valid. Just a thought.
@min.11:55, Just seconds over 6 minutes Dr. David Neiman lectures on
Discovering Genesis, lecture 1 sample
"Anthropology" he too says, the writers were (radical). He should know, being Jewish but forthright as Michael in all his lectures. Dr. Neiman's short clips are on
Ancient History, Biblical History, Jewish History, and Christian History.
God bless!!!
God is the Generals of generals He’s got warfare down to a science.
Wonderful discussion. Quality understanding Note/ the THEME OF SNARES in Bible.
1Cor 2: 7,8 or eg. Ps 91 Snare of the Fowler
The Bigger Picture from Befòre Creation to Rev 20 : 14 .. the knowledge that God knew the earth will be destroyed affects how we read the Word. Knowing that, Genesis 1 need a deeper study
The footsteps of the Queen of Heaven echo through the Ages up until Revelation 18: 23, 24 and 19: 2, 3 Please help me here ..
For me it starts in Gen 1: 26:31 the created/ bara equal in rulership woman. NÒT EVE who is built / bana ...out of Adam's flesh.
She is a powerful presence in all of Mythology.. Isis - Ishtar - Zachariah 5: 5-11 The Woman of Wickedness...
1. Only human females have a womb.
2. Gen 3: 22 Possibility of Evil Immortals
3. As equal to Adam she has a title of rulership ... She who rides the Beast.
4. Babylon as a 2nd Heaven City like Jerusalem in 3rd heaven
5. Revelation 17- 18 is her .. as a world witchcraft power. God hates her and so does Satan .. All the myths talk of this Queen
6. Could there be an evil Immortal Female Principalty ... I think so
*Think very carefully* *before you ask the* *Lord God for the* *patience of Job !!*
*It Takes a Long Time* *as Job's patience* *was perfected*
*By God !!*
Once you know and believe that turning the key on a car will start it, you can't unbelieve it....
Once your old enough to know your dad is your dad, no power can make you not believe it. If he's your true father, you always know it....
Same with the gospel... I believe anyway.
Sifting is psychological warfare, hence spiritual warfare.
I can see YHWH ELOHIM sending divine beings to intervene with people in danger as much as the opposite
No, Satan is the devil, sometimes they put way to much thought into something that's actually really simple, and YES, you can lose your salvation that is what unrepentant sin does. So please repent, and turn to Jesus Christ.
And sometimes you can put just enough thought into it. Like he did.
I believe as Dr. Heiser believes, you lose salvation if you stop believing. It's up to God to determine what a person's belief or unbelief state is.
I like it when people say things dogmatically and then provide a biblical text as proof for the things
If you never repented, you never were saved to begin with.. your not fooling the Almighty God
We couldn't figure God our Creator out by our studying, or our best knowledge. It'll just fall into the deceiption of the dark side easily. I don't mean at all. But if it is just one point, it can be led by the wrong side and go further. All has to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and the Word of God. Not just the Word of God. And especially from man trying to figure it out. How far heaven is above the earth, how above is His Way and His Thought from ours. Love in Him
🤔 Interesting to hear that the old pagan gods of Mesopotamia called their worshipers slaves...
☪️🕋 In the muslim quran, their god allah describes himself as their "master" and his worshipers are his "slaves".
✝️⛪ How extremely blessed are we, to know the true God and be His beloved children!
Well said.
Heiser makes be closer to God.
I no longer believe that Ha Satan backed God into corner in regards to Job. I used to, and the situation angered me a lot. It took me finally understanding that the adversary works for God, he does his bidding, and the main function of his office is to test us at God's command. He sifted Job, Jesus and Peter, just to name a few mentioned in the bible, and its not to be understated that he sought God's permission each time. We all need to be sifted, or proven through temptation. It proves who we are and what we truly believe. It's why the Tree of The Knowledge of Good And Evil existed in the garden. If you read Job again through that lens, it all really makes sense.
Deep Deep Deep
Heiser needs to go on Joe Rogan too!
I doubt Rogan is interested in promoting Christianity, he's sold on DMT and eastern religions.
Maybe he’s never been introduced to the content Heiser is a scholar of. Much of what Joe believes or thinks he knows about has another explanation. Heiser has been on pagan podcast, alien conventions etc. He’s considered “fringe” in the Christian world. Check out his content on TH-cam. You might be surprised by his take(as well as other scholars) on biblical theology
Something that I have always wondered that no one can ever answer for me is this, I don't understand why the Bible talks about us (gentiles) being adopted If God created us to be equal. Why would God have "Chosen" People in the first place? I mean, I understand the phrase, we are all his creation, but not all his children. I do not understand why God would make a chosen people and then adopt others?
What a great question. We will ask our next theologian. Maybe it means chosen as they were the first , . Or like a parent you love all your kids but Maybe you have a favorite?
thank you! I am app irate it.
It seems to me God has favorites, but if I am not mistaken I believe it says in Romans 2: 11 that God does not show favoritism. However, if you back up a verse to Romans 2:10 it says, "first for the Jew and then for the gentile. This insinuates that the jew does have a little bit of privilege going on. It also says, All are equal before Him. Ephesians 6:9 says, “There is no favoritism with him.” Colossians 3:25 teaches God’s fairness in judgment: “Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism.” there is a lot I am not understanding but I long to know the truth. 🤗
Appreciate*
So is there a verse that would back up that anything outside of Eden wasn't perfect? That seems like conjecture, but I'd be glad to consider anything in the Bible that says otherwise.
The fact that part of Adam’s and Eve’s punishment was being expelled from the Garden of Eden is evidence. Mountains and gardens were known by ANE people to be the residences of gods. So the expulsion of Adam and Eve happened because they could no longer be in God’s presence.
1st Samuel 16:15.
Yes it boggles the mind to think that GOD Walk with your grandfather's, talk with them and sent prophets throughout history to tell them HIS thoughts. And even after all this proof, that GOD is a Real Live Being, the people rebel and turn against GOD. Every 4th generation. Like clockwork. Why? THEY KNOW GOD EXIST! How could GOD'S Wrath and Anger be forgotten and dismissed so easily? What did those other God's do for them, besides teaching evil things?
What I am sensing here too is that the human creation caused envy & resentment per members of the assembly. The challenge is to test Job to reveal to Yahweh that Job is only favored because he is ‘favored’...hence, your ‘boy’ is flawed like the rest of them....we here at the assembly, (the gods of God) are the superior creation and we should be ‘enough’ ...we are your family. 😬
Interesting... it kinda sounds like that. Or the Satan wanted to undermine God's authority and used the Job to do it?
Love to listen to Mike. Oh and according to Hebrew 9:16 we don’t have a New Testament until Christ dies so I ripped that page before Matthew from my Bible.
What page is that?
@@PrissyLadyVenom LOL the one that says New Testament
What is that supposed to accomplish?
(Considering that’s not what Hebrews 9:16 says)
@@PrissyLadyVenom well a New Testament can’t happen before the testator dies, so how could the 4 gospels be ‘New Testament?’ Besides few people actually analyze what Hebrews 8 actually says but here’s a hint in Heb 8:13 ‘the old covenant is READY to vanish away.’ Not that it has you see. If you’re not born again, you’re still under the first covenant as far as the ‘HEBREWS’ are concerned. It’s Paul and he alone who is the apostle to the Gentiles;-).
Good Night 😴
@@ea32da32 good morning.
The New Testament shows the fulfillment of the old covenants.
Hebrews 9:16,17 a last will and testament illustrates the necessity of Christ death for the fulfillment of the covenant.
Your logic is akin to saying the Old Testament doesn’t begin until after the fall because this is when God makes the covenant with us.
Just as the OTT begins with creation story, The New Testament text begins with the arrival of the promised messiah and takes us through his ministry and fulfillment of other prophecies (keep in mind that there are over 300 prophecies of the messiah - outside of his death and resurrection, and Christ fulfils them perfectly)
Please let the host finish Dr. Thank you. Great content
What is the show they're talking about?
Maybe you can clear up something on Psalm 82: I had tended to doubt that the elohim were divine because of my assumption that angelic creatures were immortal, vs. this passage stating that they would "die like men".
Was my assumption wrong? Are angels mortal?
We know from Genesis and Titus that the Ben-Elohim, the Watchers, fell from their First Estate, and Isaiah how that happened (he depicts a war in Heaven), and that they rebelled against G-d the Father, along with their leader, Ha'satan.
They are immortal.
But they are seperated from G-d the Father, which the unredeemed human is until s/he IS redeemed. There is no redemption for the Fallen Angels.
Because of that seperation, Jesus warns us not to fear the one who can only destroy our bodies, but to fear the One who can destroy our souls in the Second Death, that is the ultimate seperation from G-d the Father at the Great White Throne Judgment (NOT The Bema Seat Judgment of the Bride of Christ's works and following rewards for same before the Trib Period, after we are Harpazoed out of here!).
The Bible describes Humankind as 'men', a kind of shorthand; so the angels who will 'die as men' are fully seperated from Heaven and their Creator, as unredeemed men will, sadly, be, and this will be their eternal and awful torment. torment
This is my read on this, of course.
Hope this makes some sort of sense to you, bro.
@Chaplain Dave Sparks:
The meeting of the Divine Council was convened by God (Yahweh) because the sons of God (lesser elohim) had not performed the task he assigned them in the way He had directed them to judge the nations. V2 is the chastisement, 3-5 is what God had told them to do, and 6-7 is their punishment for leading people to worship them and accepting their worship. The members of heavenly host were created to be immortal, but these elohim God was addressing would now would be mortal beings and would die like men die.
Dr. Heiser is the personification of a Berean.
I'm not a Calvinist by any stretch, but I will say that if there is no evil, then nobody really has a story to tell.
It's so weird that she explains what they told me from a two
Love your work on Genesis 6:4, tho this picture of you here looks like a genuine mugg shot! 🐳
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
Michael Heiser... Do you think he asked us if we wanted to come down here and get a human body? 😊
We didn’t exist as spirits before he created us.. it is the dust of the earth and the breath of life that creates a living soul
Today so many have faith in and idolize things created by man either the material things or structure systems organized by men putting faith in them not in Christ. You’ll either be a lover of the worldly things or a lover of God & his creation his perfect intended structures. Be in the world but not of the worldly things it has a very deep meaning that I’m continuing to understand in a more profound way daily. I’m seeing everyday that the Beast is the man made systems that’s why it’s the number of man cause we built it up and continue to empower the beast system. To many people idolize and are a lover of these things more than Christ & his structure that is perfect for us yet filled with imperfect sinners. All the system mankind has built up is turning on and working to destroy the family in every way.
Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Proverbs 23:12 Apply thine heart unto instruction, and thine ears to the words of knowledge. Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: Malachi 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Jeremiah 33:6 Behold, I will bring it health and cure, and I will cure them, and will reveal unto them the abundance of peace and truth. Ecclesiastes 7:17 Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time? Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
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If there's any truth to the story, then similarity of religions should be expected. What would need to be explained is dissimilarity.
Original rebellion in heaven before man is created?
Correct it started in the heart of the highest of the angelic order
FICTION I THINK WE SHOULD READ IT SEEING IT AS REAL AS IT WAS SO THAT WE CAN ENCOUNTER FAITH FROM THE ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD MICHAEL. WE WILL BE THINKING WOW THIS IS WHAT THE FATHER THINKS SAYS HOW GREAT HE IS WOW HOLY IS OUR GOD OHH THE FATHER SAID JESUS WILL SAVE ME FROM MY SIN SO I AM MADE RIGHTEOUS RIGHT BEFORE THE LORD GOD. SO WE CAN MEDITATE ON GOD HIMSELF...I GOT THAT OUT OF BELIEVING EVERY WORD...HALLELUJAHHH HE IS HOLY AND HAS GIVEN US GLIMPSES OF HIS GLORY WORTHY THANK YOU LORD!
I would attempt to point out a logical position here that Mike highlights but sees only one side of.
At 50 minutes on He is pointing out how the crucifixion is the secret blow, the uppercut, that the enemy, the Ha satan, did not expect. The move of God to break their attack and make their doom irreversible. All excellent stuff. I accept this just fine.
However Mike then points out that this is achieved buy God becoming a man and being crucified as the blood covering for all those who "believe" in this. This concept of the incarnate God, the God man. Rising from the dead and now "over" those rebels in authority. Adams capitulation answered by God Himself. I feel this is where religion is still clouding the plan of God.
What is missed is the logic, the equivalent logic that a man, a special perfectly conceived man, a second Adam seeded in the woman but who is not actually incarnate pre existing God, can also follow obediently to the cross, be raised and seated at Gods right hand and "made Lord" over those same spiritual rebels. Acts 2:36 says this.
Will this not achieve the same result?? Instead of God becoming a man and returning to be God, we have the logic that a man being raised by God and glorified as if God. Like Joseph was under Pharaoh (we are always told Joseph is a christ type, and Joseph was NOT an egyptian).
God produces the perfect "one of the flock" by special conception bypassing the seed of Adam (but fulfills Gen 3:15 re the seed of the woman) and allows that Lamb to be crucified, as Gods sacrifice. The spotless one of the flock. (what flock? are we not always referred to as a flock of Gods sheep) Thereby putting a "man" on the throne (co ruler ship) of God and being MADE lord of all, like Joseph was. This is the office of "imager" that Adam was supposed to have and is seen all through the bible.
The same result therefore occurs that Mike is explaining, where the rebels are checked and now a man is higher in authority than they are, they have been outwitted by God not divulging everything (otherwise they wouldnt have killed Jesus as Mike points out) and a whole bunch of others (the body of Christ) are now too, now in bodies of flesh in the world, but no longer of the world. We are raised in new birth in authority above those eveil powers and principalities (and they hate that!) And we are promised we will be raised to the same state of glory to reign with that first raised Man, Jesus. !!!!
I mean logically if the spiritual Ha satan was an evil intellegent force active still in the world wouldnt we expect that adversary to cloud this issue, and try to rob the body of Christ from full understanding of the issue, so as to weaken the body?? By twisted truths and part misunderstandings? Why does God have to become a man when a man could be raised to Gods authority to achieve the same ends? Is trinitarianism really the absolute truth?
Go to Jonathan Kleck,s YT channel. There you will find the missing pieces to the puzzle. I struggled for years with the same inconsistencies but Jonathan cleared that all up. It was a relief and my own road to Damascus moment
@@simonetetz5632 thank you i will check it out..
If sin were separated from us by just a hair then it would be that we all together were free from sin yet how can that be accomplished? Can we gather sin up and cast it from us? Impossible since it abides within our hearts and minds...therefore God must go where sin is (within human flesh) and bares all the sin in order to take it to the watery grave and then leaves it there and arises unblemished unto life again! Salvation only happens when we acknowledge that Christ is in our heart since it is He that is carrying our sins. Praise God that He bears our sins so that we have life!
Kinda Christian or Kinda not Christian? So what is it?
OMG!! This smug wacko is insane!!
The Sabbath day was a type of this age we are now in. Jesus was accused of working on the Sabbath when he healed people. His reply was that God was working up until now and sent me to FINISH His work. His last words on the cross was “ It is finished “. He has now sat down at The Fathers right hand , resting until all His enemies are put under His feet. This era we are in is the Sabbath of rest. No work shall be done for salvation. Anyone found working for salvation shall not make it in. Salvation is totally by Gods Grace. Jesus paid it all.
Exactly what the did is what she said
Lol...only a few 9.2K views on this one.
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@@kindachristian5268 This is a cool channel and I look forward to more intriguing discussions from you😊
1 Enoch should not be presented as truth, just because there is mention in the Bible indicated a knowledge of the writing. Paul, Peter, Jude only demonstrate their awareness of second temple literature. This does not mean we should accept any of this as truth. It is more likely they are showing their intended audience that they know of what was popular. Interestingly most of the writing is about refuting false teaching and bad understanding. Paul even mentions in Colossians that it is wrong to worship angels... John in Revelation also. Need to keep your hearts and minds on the main thing.
Heiser is fighting Unitarianism. Modern Evangelicals live in fear of God, while Jesus is reduced to a person waiting for you to come to the Rose Garden. Its the reason why churches are empty.
Revelation 13::18 is found in Zechariah 13:6-9 . It is a fraction . 666=2/3. 333=1/3. The number of a man (Adam) the number of his name ( unrepentant descendants). These are those whom are overcome by the beast , the rider on the red horse. The 1/3 are those conquered by the rider on the white horse ( Jesus ) and are rewarded with food and blessings by the black horse who follows ( the judge ) the ones conquered by the red horse rider are rewarded by the pale horse rider with death and Hell. Unregenerate humans are referred to as natural brute beasts waiting to be snared , captured and taken. There are two spirits at war for their numbers. The Holy Spirit of God Himself , and the adversary Satan. These two are the ones sent to conquer (Revelation 6:2-8.
Is this man spirit filled? Head knowledge , or am I discerning wrong? Constantine discipline religious beliefs
Maybe you’re just uncomfortable with the content. Maybe dig in for yourself and see if these things are true and make your decision later.
This is Heiser's distorted and erroneous theology. The "gods" in Psalm 82 are not divine beings. How do we know? Because the immediate context tells us. Nowhere in the entire Bible do "gods" judge humans unjustly, so that God now has to judge them. Human judges are described in Psalm 82 based on the immediate context of that Psalm. We know that humans were called "elohim" meaning judges because of passages like Exodus 21:6 and Exodus 22:8-9.
Right now I am interviewing the author of the book "The Unbiblical Realm: Refuting the Divine Council of Michael Heiser’s Deuteronomy 32 Worldview." We both came to similar conclusions without knowing each other before, and he cites others who also take issue with Heiser's theology. This is not rocket science here. Heiser simply misread several passages.
Case in point. I have heard him say that Deut. 32:8 where he takes as original the reading "Sons of God" instead of "sons of Israel," is related to Deut. 4:19. He then argues that Deut. 4:19 is speaking of "heavenly beings." But anyone reading the immediate context of Deut. 4 starting from verse 15 down to 19 will see the clear reference to God warning against IDOL worship, not worship of any alleged "divine beings." No, Moses is talking in that context about the problems with idol worship of different kinds, and when we get down to verse 19, the flow of thought continues as God warns against a different kind of idol worship, the worship of heavenly bodies, the "sun, moon and stars, all the host of heaven." So one of his key passages he got grossly wrong.
The fact that Heiser missed this simple truth from the immediate context speaks volumes, and it also speaks to how people can be blinded by a theology that they can't see the obvious. Deut. 4:19 is not speaking about any kind of real "gods" or "divine beings." God there is warning against idolatry, man made idols (carved images per vs. 16), and idols people could make of heavenly bodies.
Wow, Satan walks up and down to and through seeking whom he my devour. He not satan but he is ? Double minded i see.
I think I remember Dr. Heiser saying in another teaching that gradually the Satan (a job description) became tied up with just being evil (a personality trait) and was the name was then applied to Lucifer. The first verse you quote is from the New Testament, so thousands of years had passed for the title "Satan" (like doctor or lawyer) to become an actual name.
When you think of people such as this liar, ponder these words well..
The Jesuit Oath of Indunction states: “You have been taught to act the dissembler among the Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic,... Among the reformers, to be a reformer;... among the Protestants, generally to be a Protestant: and obtaining their confidence to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and even to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope.... to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope” …’and to be all things to all men for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.’ …’I do farther promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume any religion heretical, for the propagating of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents’ counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred convent.’
Dr. J.A. Wylie eloquently observed,
"There is no disguise which the Jesuit will not wear, no art he will not employ, no motive he will not feign, no creed he will not profess, provided only he can acquit himself a true soldier in the Jesuit army, and accomplish the work on which he has been sent forth’
Jewish guys in the skies, lol
So God made himself into man in order to correct a faulty plan to unite his heavenly family with his earthly family. Doesn't sound so omniscient to me!
The divine plan of redemption in and through Christ was already decided upon before man was created as God knew
The book of the Torah is amongst other things a book of Jewish linage. From Adam and Eve to present day if one was to connect the dots. Adam and Eve are not the world's first parents. They are the first Jews! Caine himself married out of his own tribe, proof this is true. The God of the old testament is not the same being as the true God from the new. God of the new spoke to Jesus like a father to a son. God of the old spoke through Fire, Dark clouds, burning bushes etc, etc. This Jealous God he called himself. The Jewish alphabet is symbols of flames! They say the Eskimo have over 60 words for snow, because they live in and amongst snow. So it has shaped their language. I wonder who lives in and amongst fire, brimstone and dark clouds. Be careful who you send your prayers towards.
Races were created before the flood.. bare minimum of 201 variation of man... 200 watchers desended on mount hermon... and then u have God's man.. Adam, Seth lineage
"What is the Old Testiment?"
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