Rahab and the Red Dragon | Bible Mysteries Podcast
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- Timothy Alberino joins Scott and John from the Bible Mysteries Podcast to discuss the strange circumstances surrounding the birth and fates of Jacob and Esau, the meaning of Edom, the enigmatic references to Rahab in the scriptures, the Red Dragon of Revelation, the pre-adamic cataclysm in the solar system, the Planet Mars, and Bible prophecy.
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Praying 🙏 for everyone reading this. Please seek Jesus before it’s too late! Jesus spoke to me when I was 7 years old, He was there to help me because I was very traumatized, due to the abuse I had endured, by my stepdad. I remember one particular day, staring at my wall, and hearing (audible), “life is a test”. I was so shocked! I remember looking around my room and wondering what just happened! Later that same year, after my Great Grandfather passed away, I had a panic attack and I remember thinking I was going to die! All of a sudden, a feeling of comfort came over me, and I heard (audible), “you don’t have to worry about dying”. I have always believed in Jesus, but I was brought up Catholic and never read the Bible until I got older and learned that St. Peter’s Basilica (Vatican) was built in the shape of a snake (Audience Hall too)! As I got into high school, I was told by the Holy Spirit (thoughts that I knew weren’t mine) I needed to forgive my step dad. I remember praying 🙏 and telling Jesus I forgive him. I also asked for forgiveness for all my sins. Right after, I remember feeling like an elephant had been lifted off my chest!! I was given a new heart! All my anger was gone!! As I got older, I was told to always (Holy Spirit - thought that wasn’t mine) look for the Tribulation and the Mark of the Beast. I remember, at the beginning of this year (2021) I was praying 🙏 and I asked Jesus if we were already in the Tribulation because of all the signs I was seeing. I fell asleep and when I woke up I saw a video by Jonathan Cahn about two cows 🐄🐄 that were born in September 2014, 5 days apart with the number 7 on their foreheads! I believe, just like Genesis 41, this is a warning from the Lord about famine coming on the land!! (Research all the manufacturing facilities being destroyed). I can’t explain how or why I’ve been told things, but I know the Lord has been leading me my whole life! I believe the Great Reset will be the Tribulation and since time is short the Holy Spirit has been leading me to share my testimony with others to help them believe in Jesus! He is alive and waiting for us to seek Him so He can reveal Himself to us!! Believe in Him and accept His free gift of salvation!! Don’t wait till it’s too late! Eternity in Hell is worse than you can imagine! The Gospel: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins, He suffered, died and was buried. He rose again the third day, according to the scriptures. We are all sinners in need of a savior. Someone has to pay for our sins. Jesus already did!! Just say Thank you Jesus!! God bless you and thank you for reading my testimony! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Beautifully said young lady and sister in Christ. 🙏🕊🪔❤️
U can only seek him when your body is dead not alive
Thank you for your concern for all of us.The righteous and the unrighteous because we were all created in the image of God and the will of God is that none of us should perish but that we should all come to repentence. In Jesus Name Amen.
@@bluebrushI've found Jesus everytime I was at my lowest, and I can find him when I'm up. I'm not dead because of Jesus, and because of what he did on the cross, I will live eternal. I've accepted Jesus into my heart, and life, and he has my back. I truly am blessed. I want this for you friend.
Ty 4 sharing❤
When Timothy talks or lectures I sit in the front seat. This subject matter is absolutely fascinating and certainly, as always, backed by Scripture. Thank you Timothy and the two gentlemen on the panel. I will be looking for more interviews by these guys which I just subscribed to their channel. Blessings and love! ❤
Amen
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Lovely information, God bless!!
Giant flying winged Phoenix Griffin thunderbird type of creature flying over and taking out dragon. Satellite map of Australia upside down.eyes head humungus beak just above Karratha western Australia. remember satellite map of Australia upside down.dark red ochre part in centre of continent.🤠🇦🇺👍
Completely enthralled and captivated by the way Timothy explains and interprets the Bible stories. Absolutely Fascinating.!
and Heiser!
David carrico on nystv & doctoring of christ is good as well also he walks with us.
And I’ve read that the astronauts have said space smells like meat on a baroque. I’ve also read that pieces of meteorites have been found to have blood in them….don’t remember if dna was sequenced. See mud fossil university.
I also think God conceals things from us to protect us. I think sometimes knowing too much too soon can destroy people
I'm always extremely honored to be able to listen to Timothy. He offers up a wealth of information and insight that will wake up even the most dormant minds on Earth. Thank you Timothy, you appear to me to be one of the disciples given the chance to wake up humanity in this specific time. One we classify as the END TIMES. God bless you sir. 🙏❤️
I don’t always agree with Timothy Albarino, but I’m so glad to hear someone else say that the church is not the restrainer. We are not the restrainer holding back the evil. It is a specific Angel.
Possible Michael
@ booboobear7793 ---- MANY believe that the " Restrainer " is the HOLY SPIRIT ---- the Scriptures state that All things are held together by CHRIST , However , HE is at the right hand of the FATHER YAHWEH ---- HIS CHRIST'S ,the HOLY SPIRIT is Present on the Earth at the moment & HE is Empowering US --- the Believers. YES ,everyday we are to be Filled with the HOLY SPIRIT ----
The RESTRAINER is Michael. Who is presently holding Satan and his angels in the 2nd Heaven. When the war in heaven occurs and Satan does not prevail Satan is then cast to the earth by Michael and his angels.
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The concenus is the restrainer is Michael
Great show guys, everytime i listen to Tim talk , I learn something new, or look at things differently. This whole essau thing blew my mind!
This is probably one of if not the best most informative and interesting episodes I’ve heard. I hang on every word from Timothy Albarino always but this was xtra amazing! I got Holy Spirit chills at the end confirming that GOD has control over EVERYTHING. This was not at all “new age “ but biblically sound as always expected from Timothy. Thank all three of you men ! 🙏💥
Tsr Josh peck interview with Tim was the 1st one to talk abt this n also 1st interview of Timothy birthright book
Could you give link to Josh n Tim's interview...I've listened to a lot of interviews w Tim..but missed that one. Thx
@@deniserice299 th-cam.com/video/PflQHs5T9Uc/w-d-xo.html
@@deniserice299 part 3 but u should be able to find it from there
Talking about God's in control, Heien Rosveare was a missionary in the Congo. Her testimony on TH-cam or inspiring.
Thank you for this! Tim always points to Jesus/Yeshua "He was the Big Bang"! :) In the beginning was The Word indeed, and that's truly the most important part. But also important to understand the war in the heavens, Rahab represented as a planetary body, dragon connection. I find it interesting that Psalm 89 says YHWH, LORD of Hosts broke Rahab into pieces and then in Job 26:12 some translations refer to Rahab while others say "sea monster" or "pride" in its place, which sounds like Leviathan, described in Job 41. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter indeed! And a blessing to have the spiritual eyes and ears to try and search it out. HalleluYah!
So are you saying rahab is tiamut?
@@hellooutthere8956 I don't feel at liberty to say that with certainty, was just noting the curious differences in the translations of that particular passage in Job 26. But, according to some Jewish sources Rahab was the name of a demonic ruler of the sea (sea monster or sea dragon), and I was just drawing the comparison to Leviathan (Job 41), who is also called the "king over all the children of pride". But yes, many ancient civilizations/cultures have some version or variation of the sea dragon/serpent/monster (some which they actually worshipped as "little g" false gods/idols) such as the Mesopotamian one you mentioned. Whether they are the same creature/being is beyond my scope but one could speculate, or dig further, if so inclined.
I like that he says that jesus is the singularity.
@@ericwalters3426 Haha yes, it is quite clever. And he's right. The singularity through Christ Jesus actually does mean we become new creations, of one accord through His Holy Spirit, with the promise of salvation and eternal life in our Father's glorious presence. Death lost its grip on us through our Messiah, HalleluYah! Whereas the singularity of the world is a fleshly "upgrade"(AI)with a counterfeit, false promise of immortality (that is more like a virtual prison) and of course a loss of one's soul. We must pray for those who are deceived!
@@batyahwieldsword well said i agree.
I am always captivated by his mind. The only thing I may question is Timothy believing Satan may not have anything to do with the grays. I absolutely believe he is orchestrating this. While there may be humans behind it, Satan is behind them. Just my opinion. Love and blessings, brothers!
I could listen to Timothy all day and be mesmerized by his intelligence and grasp on his eloquent speech choosing descriptive words that connect the Bible and our imagination/vs facts!. Thank you gentlemen for a intriguing interview!
That's how I always describe him as well, eloquent. We are so fortunate to have people like Timothy to share his knowledge and experiences.
I have read Timothy's book 3 times. Absolutely enthralling.
I'm reading it now.
I'm on the second re read. Love it.
Birthright is an absolute mind blowing experience! Timothy has managed to learn so many secrets that the elite occultists and luciferians do not want the regular rank and file people to know about.
Can you please name all the books 📖
Timothy God opened your mind to him years ago,including the heavenly realm. I remember you saying you spent your money on the Septuagint. You have dedicated your life to the enlargement of God & our world according to the word of God. I thank you and enjoy you lectures. God bless you,your wife & 4 boys and your journey
I get more bible teachings from watching your videos than I do from church.
Mr.Aleberino is the inheritor of our greatest latter day prophets going back to Von Donnekin. He distills all those trips to Peru and the ancient megallithic sites brilliantly. Such a blessed gift to all of us seeking, searching. wow! *this has been my line of meditative thought since I was a “cosmic hippie” in the late 60s early 70s, 80s and now 68 years into my existence, claiming rebirth thru Yeshua in ‘77! HALLELUJAH!!
Who was the Big Bang? Jesus! What a revelation Timothy! That statement just opens a whole realm of understanding and explained a lot of misconception theories that invaded schools, science, and modern time.
I say this to you: Your wisdom comes from God Himself, because you like Salomon, asked for it and God granted . This wisdom is helping all Christians who are looking for answers, and definitely your insights are valid and in harmony with scripture. Thank you brother for your hard work and passion! God bless you!
Tim, this is one of very special programs I've heard. I will begin reading birthrite again for sure. Special thanks to BIBLE MYSTERIES you guys rock !!
Amen. We need more messages about the planet and the galactic war we are all participating in
You were absolutely positively made for a time such as this.... Thank you Jesus for having Timothy on our side
Wow!! My head is spinning!! So glad you guys put this out there. It's sorely lacking among Christians and they really need to know this stuff. It's a glimpse into the bigger picture.
Timothy Alberino I bought your book your a good man I’m gonna give your book a read I’m very happy I bought it I hope to see you In heaven brother love from Ireland 🇮🇪 and praise thanks and glory to Jesus 💙
I am always like a little kin a candy store when Timothy comes on to share these incredible insights of the Bible God bless you Timothy alvarino
Hi Timothy, I always give a listen immediately on receiving your notifications. Thank you so much for your obedience to use your special grace and gifts.
This should have more views. Not surprised it isn’t raking in 1million. They for sure don’t want the truth getting around. Thank you.
““The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.”
Deuteronomy 29:29 NKJV
Just ordered Birthright! I can't wait to dig in. I've been listening to Timothy for a long time now. It's a shame it took me so long to get his book. I want to support his work and keep the knowledge flowing forth. I agree with a commenter above, he was born for this very time. I pray he will not only nurish we believers but also plant seeds for the non-believers and bring them into the Body of Christ. I know he was one of the people who brought me in over the years.
As always Timothy Albariño demonstrates extraordinary creativity and skill to entertain.
Theres quite a difference between entertainment and truth
@@hopeful3505 And Alberino falls under the entertainment heading!!!
Very interesting how, when I first read your book that I found the information ahead of current events.. even still, an amazing combination of historical fact..
Combined with very relevant insight.
I believed then, even more so now. The book holds several God given, pieces to the big picture of our true reality.
Good work my friend.. and brother.
In One Accord
I highly doubt that Timothy would claim to be a Prophet, because that is what you are suggesting here.
@@matthewronson5218hi my dear Brother! Much Love in Jesus to you and your family!
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The thought never crossed my mind..
Lol .. so to suggest..
That your words.
Not mine🙂
@@matthewronson5218 what qualifies a “prophet-in-real-time?” It’s easy to declare a prophet 500+ years after death when banks of scholars have written dissertations. Remember John the R was in jail. Paul was crucified upside down. The “Church of the Day” the Temple Rabbis all mocked and ignored Jesus as he road in in a donkey.
Thank you for this show. Genesis 1; 2, & 1; 28 was always a problem for me but Thank God for Jesus that he gave me understanding l can now except with the unlearning of what l have and have not been taught in my 63yrs on the this Earth
Could listen to you all day❤
Thank you so much for sharing! Always love to hear what Mr. Timothy has to share. God bless you!!🙏
Don't you think Rebecca KNEW in her heart something was awry when she wanted Jacob to inherit the birthright? There had to be a reason she preferred Jacob. I could NOT prefer one child over another. Each child is a GIFT.
I feel like you just opened up a new section in my mind.!!!... Mind blown..... Thank you Jesus
Thank you, Jesus, for the gift of life and the birth-right you gave us.❤😇🙏👣🦋💯🙏🏻😇👍🌈.
Great and informative as always. Reading your book now and thinking i am going to start over. What i hear from you resonates in my soul and God is using you in a mighty way! The churches are just missing the whole supernatural power in God's word and want to keep it nice and contained in a box in the shelf! Father God is the almighty creator of the whole universe!
I just have to comment that this is one of the best lectures from Timothy that I have listened to. He is so precise and it's so made easily understandable. Timothy you just blow me away everytime I listen to you thank you and God bless and God bless you Bible Mysteries for having him on your show are two very gracious host God bless you both
This makes sense. I think you put a big piece of the puzzle together. Now I can see a lot clearer. Wow! Great episode! Must watch this again! Thank you so much.
THIS Was A GREAT TALK! WoW! I Can't wait! To read my book! It just came today, from Amazon! I URGE All Folks! RUN! and buy Timothy's Book! BirthRight! Tim is The REAL DEAL!! Everytime he has something up, on U-Tube, I'm Listening to it. Thank You Timothy for all the GREAT INFORMATION! Your The Best! 💖🙏 GodBless You and ur Family my dear.
I literally just found this channel and I hav t stopped watching…. I’m like 5 in and I want to and can’t wait to watch them all
Wow!! Just getting breakfast started and scrolling along…I love Tim Alberino AND I love anything Rahab!! The woman and the planet (🤷🏻♀️) Now I’m going to watch. Hurry and scoop up Tim’s recent bestseller “Birthright”, if you haven’t already. Nevertheless, Maranatha 🎺
am I the only person from Africa listening to Timothy?I do appreciate all these videos..greetings from Zambia
I'm from South Africa 😂😂
God bless all Saints around the world from Texas right now!!! I'm David's wife, Lynn
One of the best podcasts with Tim, I've heard. The last third is most impactful and there is new info that I had not considered before particularly about Mars. Worth a repeat watch.
Love Timothy 💘. Jonathan Kleck is dropping the most important information right now and he always brings the Word of GOD. Father is so good and the Bible has many hidden codes.
Jonathan Klexk believes we are offspring of the serpent
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The seed of Abraham is not, however the seed of Cain is. Cain and Abel were born at the same time, but there were two different seeds, the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman. Remember, God said he would put enmity between the woman's seed (from Eth Ha Adam) and the serpents seed (Lucifer himself). Genesis 3:15. When you read further, you'll find that Cain is not mentioned in Adam's (Eth Ha Adam) genealogy, starting at Genesis 5:1, and also read 1 John 3:12.
It is physically possible to have twins (not identical) from two separate DNA seeds. If the fallen angels took the daughters of men and had children (giants) from them, why would their leader (Lucifer aka satan, the devil, the serpent) be the first? Think about it...
@@xyzxanth7606 the serpent seed doctrine has been disproven…th-cam.com/video/zLB49mCiAHw/w-d-xo.html
Also, The Jonathan Targum Klek uses is not reliable. It was written by Pharisees. It’s not biblical. Check out the link I pasted…
@@xyzxanth7606 right. That is not scriptural. It’s twisted.
Great show, amazing questions and very intriguing conversations
Thank you for sharing this Timothy, Scott and John. I really enjoy the Bible Myster👁️es and learning such compelling insights.
Your right..The Earth BECAME Void and without Forum...
Hello Timothy! God bless you and your family Dear Brother! ❤
@25:00… there are cases of women becoming pregnant with twins of different fathers NATURALLY by having relations with different men while at the peak time of receptiveness of their cycle (which is just 2-3 days).
I had never considered this in relation to Jacob/Essau… Great thought, Brother!!!
Thank You for ALL the AMAZING work you do to bring truth!!!
God Bless You and Your Family!!
There are MANY fraternal twins, 2 eggs fertilized by the same dad. The important thing is. They were not identical, not from one egg that split into 2. They were fraternal, 2 separate eggs.
Thank you Timothy.
This has been one of the best of your interviews.
I have learned more in the last nine months of listening to some of your interviews than I have learned or taught in my 32 years of ministry.
Thanks a lot. Keep the good work brother 👍🏽
THIS is the Old Testament knowledge that I didn't understand until S Q & T A ....it's like such a totally new chapter of ancient history that comes to life
Recently read The Reluctant Demon Diaries, a four part series, Biblically based fiction telling of the Cosmic Seed War. Easy reading like a Paterson; but enthralling like a Rice novel. Very much in line with Timothy’s research and theories. We truly know nothing of creation before Genesis nor of the Angels. I have long believed Lucifer thought Earth was made for him not for some future human life form. Maranatha
Thank you so much, that was some really good information that we needed to hear. God bless.❤
So much has been deliberately kept away from us so that many don't even try to find Jesus prayers for the lost men like this are brining the truth
Fascinating and very insightful. My faith and understanding is growing because of Tim!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
What I appreciate from Timothy is his teaching ability he has a gift of telling things in simple dialogue so that those new to all this and ones that have been following can grasp the information easier helps a lot.
❤thank you so much for this totally intriguing topic.
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I feel an unquenchable desire to know more and more about our Holy God❤
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...from a speck of dust to the knowledge of our Most High Holy Father brought by the precious blood of the love of King Lord Jesus....
I am so humbled and honored to be.
Evening. Wow. As always information that leaves one reeling, as threads are weaved together. Another read of Birthright coming up!
thanks brothers for all the hard work....
LOOKING AND SOUNDING BEAUTIFUL BELOVED TIMOTHY - AND IMPECCABLY SERIOUS -
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Excellent as always Timothy!! I always listen closely and intently when you talk…this one is exceptional!!! Thank you!!
What a handsome bunch of men of all ages. Interesting listen
There Is this guy in Jalisco State México a small city. He used ti be a doctor, he had a condition with His heart or maybe cáncer. He had an encuenter with grays AND cure him. Ever since throut the knolidge they passed unto him he heal people with biomagnetismo . Very interesting story I got to know about throut a Chanel calle: Misterios de Alma. Hope could see It AND hear the whole anecdote. It has a colection of alien things
Tim does it again. Kudos to hosts for letting Tim rif
Wow what fascinating revelations!! Thank you Timothy, can’t wait to get your book! 🙏🏼💐
The world is so far behind understanding this knowledge. Just a remnant understands.
So glad to hear you reference Dr. Heiser's work.😊
Tim has some facinating but terrifying insights. I for one cringe at the scope of the nature of our struggle.
No fear if your with the Lord Almighty!
Terrifying?
@@faith22112 Apparently you have never had your butt kicked by demons, Your blessed.
Ya, I'm never gonna make it without Jesus. I'm barely going to make it WITH HIM!!!!!!!!!🤦🏼♀️😶
@johndelong5574 exactly. Well said John! Not everyone sees it or gets it.
Thank you Tim I appreciate your channel God bless your family and you
Wonderful , God bless you all! watching and waiting for my saviour! Come Lord Jesus!
I think the goat-hair arms is a prefigurment of the goat that Israel would later be commanded to ceremonial sacrifice to Azazel I. The wilderness-the goat upon whom all their sins were laid and doomed to wander the wilderness, while the other goat was to be a burnt sacrifice. Two goats: one to propitiate, one to take away. Twin goats.
This is the best interview of TA and I've watched everyone.
Well done sir. 👍🏻🎯
Tim , you have a great mind ! Man . Thank you . Man ! The son of God is so much more .
Thank you Jesus
BRAVO TIMOTHY
Fascinating
Sheessh not sure what led me here but thank God, this is 🤯
I love how you fuse imagination with logic to extrapolate greater possibilities from the scriptures while still maintaining fidelity to the Biblical scripture. You are a true explorer, in mind and in body.
PS: Thank-you for the reading from 'Birthright'. Great thinking and good writing.
Thank you gentlemen . I enjoyed the freedom and respect you showed your guest. It was a delight to listen to this interview.
Timothy is a very important part of my life,,, Excellent work for sure God Ordained 😊
Everything is exposed at ABBA'S timing! ❤😊🎉
And when you talk about the Angels, remember that they are really different from the way we imagine them to be. Is it the Cherubim that are covered in eyes and have six wings. Two covering their face , two covering their feet and two for flying. Plus some have a face that is human,Eagle,Ox and a Lion if I remember correctly.
I believe the 6 winged ones are Seraphim.. the Cherubim have 4
In regards to evidence other planets in our system have had civilizations on them before we existed .. Mike from COT stated that just beyond the veil (which is just beyond the moon) there are Egyptian ruins floating around in space. How else would they get there if something hadn’t exploded? And if the earth didn’t explode… something else did. There is so much that has been hidden from us! I am so thankful for people like Tim and others making sense of our true history and the biblical narrative. God is revealing truth to those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.
Wow. Have you ever heard of discernment? There is absolutely no proof of any of the claims you're saying. There is absolutely no Biblical evidence for other civilizations in our solar system on other planets. Please provide a verse that would even support this claim.
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@@ksedillo2233 What was Rahab then? Did you miss what he said and the scriptures that describe it? What is it referring to then in your "able to discern better than I" opinion? So you believe everything NASA tells you about our solar system? I am sorry you would believe them. It is time we all open our eyes and ask the questions we have been denying based on fear and fear alone. The Bible assumes we are knowledgeable about the history of our planet and events that took place. Christians of old did have this knowledge and we have lost it by design. Understanding scriptures comes from praying for God's revealing of truth all the while studying and comparing historical and relevant texts. Thats what Tim and his peers do... I simply take bits of their theories and research and find similarities between them. My heart tells me if it feels true. I always maintain an attitude of "the truth is the truth whether I like it or not". I don't get to decide what is true... in the end it is what it is and I am at peace with that.
I love Timothys take on the Word. So awesome. I take his and Mike from COT and Charles Lawson and Tom horn and I blend it all and it's all the Truth and the dispensationalism explained by Dr Gene Kim.
Our playlists are identical! We are blessed to have these great men of God. I love Pastor Lawson so much. Also miss the wisdom of Chuck Missler, (so glad we can still listen and learn from his videos).
Timothy reminds me of my soon to be 18 year old son in that he rarely smiles but when he does, its a lovely site to behold, like a little blessing. ;)
❤I went to college in computer science and quit because of the direction, that was 2005. I never imagined the multitude of things that can end us. Never thought it would be accepted. Love all your material.
Thank you for explaining about the Blessings of Esau and Jacob. I have never heard it that way before
Yes, it’s quite different that the one in the Bible.
Hello from Deadwood, SD! Loved this video and shared it a bunch! Thank you! 👍
Very interesting! Thanks!
Thanks Timothy, what you said has an extreme resonates.
So fascinating, lots to think about.
Fascinating....
Wow so powerful!! Eye opening this information. Thank you 😊
Wow!! Wonderful show
After watching this I purchases Timothy's book birthright. Very intriguing 🤔
Truth:
There is more compassion in my whole pinky than in the whole heart of Lucifer, now called LuceTanner.
God Bless You All In Jesus Name.No need for any further comment.Thank You
Very scintillating conversation.
WOW. WOW. This Is Outstanding! Thank you!🎉 🙏🙏🙏
Fantastic show today thank you for teaching things unknown to me before ,but I felt was true before. I could never put it together. Thanx
TIME LINE 1:11:05.......John said we have missed it for so long....... " the clues ". Knowledge shall be increased, revealed....and it is being revealed. Amen.
I love the interview I love Timothy he's got a lot of interesting insights on things. Jacob is a liar and steeped in treachery