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- Jak and Daxter have been long dormant. Naughty Dog should do something about it. Its up in the air as to whether or not the mascot platformers of the PlayStation 2 era all have a place on modern consoles. Suckerpunch recently set the record straight that Sly Cooper was not coming back anytime soon, Crash Bandicoot 4 didn't sell as expected and a Spyro sequel is nowhere to be found. But Jak and Daxter have the groundwork to be reworked into something more modern that all demographics can enjoy. And the fanbase is hungry as is made obvious by the recent native Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy native PC port by OpenGoal
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Which Platformer from the PS1/PS2 Era has the best chance to make it in 2022?
I am clearly very biased but never the less I most go with Jak and Daxter and or Sly Cooper I fully believe that done right either of these two can truly match if not surpass there previous success
@@Rocket-wn9kc I believe they can all work today in some capacity. Some just might require much more creativity than others
Well we got a new klonoa so...
@@STICKOMEDIA Yeah honestly that wasnt on my bingo card
Crash bandicoot
The Jak and Daxter series are my favorite video games... I missed those days 😭
U suggest checking it out on PC. its quite fantastic
The jak trilogy were the first games I completed without cheat codes lol
Man I still can't believe Yosemite was discovered earlier this year
Did you know there's a "Kingdom Hearts" fanfic focused on Roxas, in which one of the worlds he visits is that one ? It's called "The Twilight Will".
Me tooooooo 😭
Give me a Jak game with the artstyle of Final Fantasy. But please, don’t change the controls and the movement from the OG trilogy because Jak is one of the most fun to control characters in a 3D platformer.
Edit: I’ve changed my mind about the artstyle. I think something inline with Arcane mixed with the old style would absolutely be perfect for this series. Jak and Daxter already has that steampunk and cyberpunk element to it, so it wouldn’t be totally out of place for the series to adapt Arcane’s artstyle.
I think it should follow a similar structure movement wise but change drastically. it can feel so much better with some big changes with todays tech. I'm a sucker for Final Fantasy so the has me intrigued
Hmm... Final Fantasy is on the edge between anime and realism. Why not just adapt the same art style from the trilogy to the current day? I don't really want an art style change if you series returns.
@@Dzzy123 Because final fantasy is alive and well and selling millions of copies, Jak isn’t. It needs to adapt
@@Repaduski but what's wrong the designs of the of trilogy? Jak is one of the coolest characters I've looked at, and final fantasy character designs wouldn't work, Jak is supposed to put these platform like characters into a dark sci Fi world, getting rid of that doesn't fit the overall point naughty dog was going for, reasons why Jak 4 was hated not by it's world design, it was character designs, that doesn't fit the philosophy of the character design Jak has, it would eliminate all the originality.
@@pixilatedink.7920 Nothing is wrong with OG Jak. there just isn't as big of an audience these days for it as you would think. They can modernize that art style if they wanted to. same with Jaks design. just because they couldn't figure it out 10 years ago doesn't mean they cant now
The first game I ever played on the Ps2. The trilogy is such an underrated gem.
Such good times back then
Same 😢
Same
I played it on a jampack demo 10 million times
Until my mom let me rent it from blockbuster and I left play station on the whole weekend because I had no memory card
You gotta understand this is kinda heartbreaking for some of us to hear. First of all, making Jak and Daxter realistic would not make them more "expressive" than having them in a cartoony style. Cartoon animation is all about expression. That being said, I agree that your ideas would result in much higher sales and success, and it would be much more "impressive" than another cartoony Jak game. However, that's just the way the soulless video game industry works; it says nothing about the actual intangible value of any of the games. Those that say big studios like Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog are "above" making direct sequels to their old properties are insulting both those studios' pasts and those studios' fans.
Remember when that old trailer for the sequel to Beyond Good and Evil came out? The _gritty and realistic_ one? Most of the comments were talking about how amazing it looked, but I think it looked like crap. Maybe it would be a good game, but it shouldn't be what fans want because of how disloyal it would have been to the original. Imagine if Twilight Princess had an alcoholic photorealistic Link who shouted "sHiT!" every time he took damage. Don't get me wrong: I agree with you that Jak & Daxter is more flexible because of how much it changed tones over the course of its trilogy, but maybe this will give an impression of how I feel about this kind of reboot.
Not to mention the gaming market is already saturated with hyper-realistic games already, and no AAA developer has the balls to experiment with art styles a la Into the Spider-Verse and get "cartoony" in new innovative ways that new technology allows.
But again, your ideas would sell a new Jak game. For whatever that's worth, at the end of the day.
Completely agreed. Art style and good animation are part and parcel. They go hand in hand. One without the either is soulless. If there was a new one with the kind of hybridization of art styles, it would definitely be worth it leaning more towards cartoony. It fits Jak & Daxter like a glove. But give it the same quirky treatment as the original had.
I mean, in the original, Jak was non vocal, but the expressions on his face said enough. And then you had Daxter as the mouthy comic relief just during the cutscenes, which was wicked 😅😛
Well said
I think they can find a nice middle ground for this, if not just take the approach Ratchet did, retain the general look add lots of details.
@@DragONheart27X yes in my opinion this would be the only way to go forward do exactly what Ratchet & Clank has done all these years. With improved animation and combat system.
Jak and daxter was and still is a core memory of my childhood, even playing it over and over again now. I still get nostalgic just revisiting them countless times. My kids will be playing this
My gameplay "wish list" for a new J&D game are as such:
More eco-based abilities: while Lost Frontier was TERRIBLE, I did like the concept of giving Jak powers based on the different colored ecos.
More complex Gun-Fu: have the gunplay augment Jak's martial arts ability or vice-versa. We got a small taste of that with his blaster burst fire after a punch and the infamous reflector spin kick, give the the other guns some synergy with his melee.
Actual RPG leveling: story-lock upgrades would still be present, but I would love for us to have a way to upgrade and or modify the abilities we have. Imagine modifying Dark Jak's Dark Bomb between a concentrated linear shockwave or the standard circular pattern. Or giving Light Jak's shield an actual parry function.
From a story "wish list" I've pondered on this idea for years admittingly:
Jak and the crew are investigating a region away from Haven and Spargus because Kira and Samos detected a surge of eco in that direction. Midway through their investigation, J&D get separated from the team and they stumble upon a hidden civilization where more traditional eco sages and eco monks still exist. The civilization's warriors are also capable of channeling eco-based abilities and the stronger ones are even able to use either a natural dark or light mode. Jak gets kidnapped because he never fought against other eco-channelers before, and the civilization is curious how a "savage from Haven" is able to channel eco. Jak stands trial before the civ's 6 leaders who are elder sages of each eco color. The Light Sage in particular takes interest in Jak when she finds Jak's necklace on his person. Some arguing ensues, Jak reveals his true name and mentions Damos as his father, the Light Sage is shocked and reveals herself as Jak's mother. Jak is released and the early game is essentially him learning about the Eco civ, actually being mentored in how to better use his eco powers, and learn more about his parents.
History of the Eco Civ: when the metalhead invasion occurred, the other three eco sages from PCL managed to save to a decent amount of villagers with their powers. The sages taught able-bodied villagers how to channel eco in order to defend themselves from the metalheads and have been keeping themselves hidden to avoid extinction.
Jak's mother's history. Years ago Jak's mother and her cohort were in the outskirts of the Eco Civ practicing their abilities. The training was interrupted when a smoking Crimson Guard dropship crashed nearby. When they went to investigate they found a young Damos (who was the crowned prince of Haven at the time) pulling extricating members of his squad including a younger Praxis and Vego. Jak's mom and her cohort reluctantly helped out and brought the squadron to their city, the first time outsiders ever entered after generations, and they all curiously nursed the outsiders back to health. Damos and Jak's mom spent a lot of time together out of mutual curiosity. Damos infored Jak's mother that they were undergoing a recon mission to find Kor's nest but were ambushed by metalheads. They then shared stories about each other's pasts and the similarities and differences of their respective cultures. Praxis took special interest with the Eco civ's channeling abilities which is what inspired the Dark Soldier program, and Vego found the civ 'uncultured' as he believed only the precursors should use Eco.
When Damos and his squad were back to full health, they returned to Haven with Jak's mother and small group of sages as representatives. Damo's father was grateful for his son's safe return and an alliance was in the process of negotiation. Years later, Damos becomes King and takes Jak's mother as his queen with Jak being born some time later. Praxis and Vego execute their plan to overthrow Damos and kidnap Jak, Jak's mother thought both her husband and her son were killed and fled back home.
I think ECO could make for some really cool ideas in combat in a newer game. Especially with current tech. As for your entire plot outline for a new game i commend you haha. You have clearly had a lot of time to think about a new game. I think they would need to do a soft reboot of sorts. Get everyone in on the ground floor. Unless they remake the games
@@Repaduski
When I finished Jak 3 way back when, I was always curious about who Jak’s mother is. I was a small kid with way too much time back then haha…..
How I miss it…
@@J-manli Time flies quicker than it has any right to. i know the feeling haha
don't mean to burst your bubble but Lost Frontier isn't apart of the actual jak universe
hince why it was so terrible and more plot holes then 3... example
jak getting mad and proclaiming "who could do this?!"
when finding the Dark Eco injection room
YEA I WONDER WHO
altho i did love the fact Kira became a sage
@@Repaduski Honestly they really do not need to do a reboot. Look at the Ratchet and Clank series. It took years for the next entry to come out (The last one released on ps3), plus they've already remastered the trilogy. What they would need to do is release the Jak game but take the number off of it and give it an actual title, introduce the events from the previous games via the council interrogation (Gol and Maya, the dark eco warrior project, Kor, how Jak came to meet Damos, and the dark markers. It wouldn't even take that long to basically vomit out that info (plus it's pretty simple.)
I don't know the art style change reminds me of the lion king remake where it may more closely resemble something you may see in real life but doesn't lend itself for expressive and dynamic animations don't know if a real otter weasel thing breakdancing has the same energy as daxter. The uniqueness of character models and animations is intimately baked into the art style and that's a thing that brings me back to there series often. Sometimes I just have jak crawl around because I love the way daxter holds himself riding atop him like some grand general
" Sometimes I just have jak crawl around because I love the way daxter holds himself riding atop him like some grand general"
This is the greatest thing i have read in this comment section lmao
I mean, you could always go the stylized/cel-shaded route, like Borderlands, XIII, The Darkness 2 or even Breath of the Wild, for that matter.
That could always be more complimentary. Plus, it can always be an effective work-around, to prevent things like a bloated amount of data to download, and such.
Jak and Daxter was dope af. The whole story and world just took me away from so much crap that was happening at home back then. Everything felt so mysterious and dark, especially in part 2 and 3. The music has stuck to me until this day too. I'm so glad I had this game.
Interesting video, on the topic of RaC I've noticed that despite all the proper shifts and leaps in graphics/art direction, general gameplay and mechanical refinement there's still a good chunk of people in the fanbase who will never budge on their stance that the PS2 games are the best (mostly due to preference in humor and characterization). If JaD (a dormant IP for well over a decade) made a change to more realism with a complete change in gameplay along with the storytelling and characters for a comeback game this late just for mass appeal idk how far that will go to reach a new audience while being a worthwhile enough risk of upsetting every nostalgic fan, it's one of the reasons why ND dropped their 2010 Jak project.
The RaC 2016 game despite being faithful to the series in a lot of ways is still a mixed bag for some due to the massive change in characterization compared to the PS2 original. From this perspective it makes me think that the best option would be to properly reimagine TPL and see how many people would be interested in a colorful modern looking JaD game with similar core gameplay and decide if the franchise has a future from there.
Yeah I get that, But I don't think Jak needs to change the way they tell stories. Jak should still be fun and hilarious. I think it just needs to grow its art style a bit. and then bring the gameplay into 2022 ND. then it could be an amazing adjustment. Ratchet has done an overall great job of making changes where needed. It sells well as a result. We need to remember the Nostalgic fan would be the lesser part of the audience. always is. 7 remake for example was mostly played by brand new fans because they adapted it for what people expect in 2020
Thanks for the thoughtful comment
It tells you that what they really miss is the old stories not the gameplay.
@@Repaduski I just want this exact thing to never happen ever. Naughty dog 2022 doesn't jive with me nearly as well as their first two outings with Sony. Once they ditched jak it was still good. I like shooty mcbaddassery a bit myself but Jak and Daxter with realism would kill my soul. I love jak and Daxter specifically because of the goofy cartoony designs and the gameplay. I think abandoning that for a more realistic art style would kinda stink. Actually I'd wanna see it fail. You know you fuck shit up when you don't get me to buy a remake of one of my childhood classics as soon as I can. If jak and Daxter goes uncharted not only will I attempt to not buy it I will picket sign match down the street activism to make sure it doesn't sell faster than I ever did for any of the real shit. I care about. I care about equity equality and worker coops and all that but fuck man you do some shit to appeal to the masses about some shit I care about, especially as much as jak and Daxter? I will become passionate. I feel strongly about injustice. I feel even more strongly about this shit
@@strawhatmonty22897 how many drugs are you currently on
Don't get me wrong i would LOVE for Jak and Daxter to come back, and even though i absolutely adore the world design they had in mind, i hate the realistic look of the characters.
One of the reasons why i loved the game was because of how expresive everything was, from the faces to the body language that was shown even in gameplay (if you punch stuff or start jumping Daxter will go everywhere like a potato sack and i always found that incredibly funny) but the problem with realism is exactly that, you can't make someone look that real and break so many anatomy and physics factors in the process. While on paper the idea can sound great, i can't imagine an almost human looking person doing a double jump that doesn't seems ridiculous in a bad way.
Now, with this I'm not saying that the graphics and design of the game shouldn't change, i would really like that, but if the thing Naughty Dog chooses is realism then i honestly don't want it.
I’m telling you there has to be a middle ground they can achieve. It would look so incredible. But I’m fine with either option. I just want more Jak
How do you feel about the God of War revamp?
@@henriquecruz1614 Necessary to succeed. Hack and slash old GOW was great. but wouldnt make money in 2022
@@Repaduski faxxx
@@Repaduski they just have to do a animated movie feel with the art style. It doesn’t hace to be realistic. The games were a little realistic, so with the animated movie look, it would look 10 times better
The "talent" we have in modern naughtydog games are great, don't get me wrong. But imagine if they made a game we wanted to play with those talents😲I know its a crazy concept but hear me out
This
modern naughty dog has great technical team, but writing wise, not so much
The only people who seem to even think that are those who didnt like the direction of Part 2. outside of those who hated it for weird social reasons. But even if you hated that game. Why discount the incredible writing they have done in every other game including UC4? never understand people jumping on that train when a studio doesnt meet their personal criteria one in 10 times
@@Repaduski I never played the last of us 1 so the sequel doesn't really have too much weight in my opinion, I just can't stand games where you follow the yellow marked spots everywhere throughout the world, it's basically a movie game
I don’t think naughtydog is a studio tht falls into the pit of talented devs wth crappy ceos wasting talent. EA or Activision imo are 2 companies tht waste the potential they have (blizzard as well being a subsidiary to blizzard-activision). But hey, when u have a ceo tht claims the devs in other companies are idiots for not putting in micro transactions, guess Thts the problem.
Jak 1’s ending left us not knowing what happened to Gol and Maia. Literally just use that as a “primordial evil returns” plot. It would be incredible. But that’s just me wishing :/
“That part will never happen…” Sounds like a person who’s been let down by some of ND’s multiplayer efforts 😏
They have never let me down with multiplayer projects in my life (he said with immense sarcasm)
New to English are you?
@@Repaduski Jak3 kinda let me down, so did tlou2 as well as Neil Druckman
@@windy3935 trust me I know, I’m a huge fan of their MPs, especially U2 and U3. I was just being sarcastic with this comment because I know Repaduski also loves their MPs.
@@windy3935 That comment in the video was more of a community joke. Ive been playing their MPs since the Uncharted 2 beta. They tend to make groundbreaking MP games and then leave them in a bad state and never talk about them again. We are hoping this time is different with Factions 2
I want Jak and Daxter 4 and Sly Cooper 5 to come for definite because I'm sick for waiting for them 😤
We need to get away from open world games at sony for a bit i think. its getting to be a lot
@@Repaduski I absolutely love openworld
@@Repaduski Open world games are much more fun.
Jak And Daxter The Lost Frontier was good enough to be considered as the 4th one. We would need a 5th
All i want is jak 4. Its my most wanted game for sure.
Could be so well done with the right team
There's already a jak 4. You mean jak 6.
If this happened I would be BEYOND psyched. Jak and Daxter was one of my absolute favorites
Its something that needed to atleast be looked at one more time.
@@Repaduski I absolutely agree the games have so much potential
N.sane Trilogy, Battle for Bikini Bottom Rehydrated, Ty the Tasmanian Tiger HD and Warcraft Classic. Now all I gotta see is another Sly, Jak, Tak and some THQ Nickelodeon games to be remade and my childhood is back.
Tak is on the list for THQ to remake. I’m so excited for that one. I adore Tak. Happy they exist
@@Repaduski really? Dang where can I find their list
@@blackrose8418 here you go. Awesome list thqnordic.com/article/thq-nordic-and-nickelodeon-bring-back-selected-game-titles-past
It’s all about creativity, That is how NIntendo keep their 3D Platformers alive to this day
They have the creativity. they just need to execute
Nintendo platformers sell because they are Nintendo simple as. I like Kirby games but they really aren't anything super special
@@billyboleson2830 forgotten land changed that. It was special
@@billyboleson2830 Sometimes all you need is something simple. It’s y there’s still new Mario games coming out. They also create new content from their old stuff like Zelda still having new games. Nothing wrong wth following a formula tht works and creating content on top of the old stuff.
I'm sorry, but that ain't Jak and Daxter.
The almost Zelda-like fantasy characters in this gloomy sci-fi dystopia with an early 2000s edge gave Jak such a unique identity, atmosphere and world. That new art style would have totally betrayed this.
There's an interesting mix of Japanese and western influences in the design and art style, and the gameplay was a perfect mix of light-hearted platformer and GTA-like mission-based sandbox. All this stuff is what makes Jak stand out, and it's not Jak without it
I think Sly 5 could still work just as well as R&C in the modern era. The issue comes down to whether the studio would want to continue the story that Sanzaru Games left with 4 (aka Sly being lost in time) or reboot the series in some way. With time traveling there's a lot of potential for wild concepts and stories, and with Sly being a crafty thief, new gadgets and gameplay ideas could shake up the experience in new ways. The comic book style is essential to Sly Cooper's identity so I don't think they'd go for a crazy realistic style the way that the Jak 4 concept art was leaning more towards. I'd love something more like how Crash 4 or even the new R&C games have retained the cartoony essence. Copium aside, I think with the current tech landscape and how people are scrounging to get PS5s, I don't think we're gonna get a game in the series any time soon, the series has never really been a high seller even with it's cult following. Sad to say, Sony has no incentive to develop another Sly project and SP aren't interested in making a sequel either.
I think Sly Cooper can work for sure. They are in an interesting place to continue considering the cliff hanger. But they can get it done if they really think about how to innovate with him. But again from Sly 1-4 they have no data to conclude he will sell well today especially if not back then
It's sad cause they had a DLC planned to finish the story of Sly 4, but Sony denied them that chance to so we got hit with a cliffhanger
For as much as I'd love the Jak and Dax franchise to make comeback, and maybe have the old game get the faithful remake treatment (the same way Crash and Spyro did). I wouldn't want modern day Naughty Dog touching the series with a ten foot pole, no.
The people behind the series are long gone and the culture over at the studio has changed. A lot. I can't see them making a game that's even remotely faithful to the original source, without injecting modern day sensibilities and ideologies to the mix.
Strip the original's and a possible sequel away from some of the more risqué jokes, insinuations and/or funny interactions between characters, and it just wouldn't be the same.
Now, when it comes to the gameplay. Well, not only do I have no faith in those who design modern day games, I fear the devs just wouldn't understand why Jack II and 3 played the way they did. I'm talking about the mixture of combat/platforming and the game's unique aiming system that requires no strafing and works stupidly well, alongside simple melee attacks, sliding punches, rolling, jump dive and more. The game's had their own identity, and again, strip these games away from that, turning them into whackier third person shooters, and at that point, they might as well just call it generic something else.
As for visuals, it obviously depends on an individual's taste. I know I wouldn't want a real "human like" Jak and friends, we can get plenty of that elsewhere... I'd much rather get the mixture of Anime/Cartoon look they went with for the originals, but perfected.
I personally wouldn't care if a new Jak and Dexter would trigger and outrage incels and neo-nazis, which is usually what people mean when they complain about injecting modern day sensibilities into games.
@@shizachan8421 , I don't think that relying on internet insults to describe either one side or the other, really explains why many would be less than pleased, if a new game in the series changed everything the people loved about the previous titles.
If one's into the modern day way of telling stories or stylising character and personalities, one can simply get their fix elsewhere. In this case, creating a whole new IP, for that specific purpose in mind, would turn out to be a better way to appeal to that specific group. Changing an already existing one, ofthen ends up pleasing no one in the process.
@@cd-rommasterclass19 so much this. I couldn't say this myself I just became reactionary at the concept. And mad. I don't want it. I'll revert back to my 12 yo self with crash of the titans and mind over mutant. The tism in me will explode and already has. This entire concept of uncharted style jak has me fucked up😂😂
But don't you want a brown cover shooter where everyone is miserable and communicates exclusively through Joss Whedon-style quips?
@@cd-rommasterclass19 If people don't wnt to get called Incels or Neo-Nazis they just can stop talking like those. If I don't want to be called an brit, something vile and unnatural, I just don't talk like one.
I wish they'd make another one. Just like 2 or 3. Those were my childhood years man.
I've never played Jak and Daxter, so a return from Naughty Dog would be nice to witness. I however worry for the future for any of Naughty Dog's projects. So many people are making it seem like after TLOU Part 2, that they're irredeemable or something. I do remember Naughty Dog claiming they're dedicated to more realistic titles though. a Jak and Daxter with like the graphics of say, the Lion King Live action film (well maybe not that.) would be a sight to behold. Jak's human look would look sick on PS5, it's the perfect opportunity to bring them back. Don't wanna the join the crown of "Sony just makes 3rd person movie games." But something a little more lighthearted here and there would be nice. Ratchet & Clank can't carry that position alone. A game I'd love to see return from PS2 is The Getaway.
I really dont think Jak should return to be like Ratchet. Ratchet has that on lock. I think it needs to get a bit more real looking but not too far. then get that ND gameplay in there and i think you have a modern winner
thanks "Larson"
Jak and Daxter will be ruined if this new naughty dog makes it.
it's full of SJW's all the innuendos and lewd jokes would be removed and we would get tasteless cucked version of Jack and Daxter
I love people are still so petty about TLOU part 2 nvm the sells and the mountain of awards, some people just love being mad about something that matters so little...it's embarrassing to be a part of the "gaming community" sometimes lol.
@@TakaChan569 Agreed. It's like lying to yourself about its success and still having it rent free in your head after your head 2 years later, and continuing your obsession with bashing it is just weird. Like move on already, it won't change much.
As a huge jak and daxter fan, I need to say this, the games themselves heavily implied there was more to tell.
In jak 3 it's revealed that jak is mar, and that he built Soo much of what makes the city, the catacombs, and much more, but at a much earlier time.
As a fan of the series, I would love to see at the very least the beginning of that, the moment he becomes Mar, what happens to daxter?
So many more questions I would like to ask.
Agreed. Its suck a tough situation because they could reboot. or continue. either one has risks. But one thing is for sure. First we need proper PS5 versions of 1-3
For years, I wanted Naughty Dog to make Jak 4, but now as an adult, I know that team is long gone. I definitely wouldn't want current ND to make a sequel, but I would love for them to do a reboot in the ways you described.
Funny how when the canceled reboot scans dropped almost a decade ago, I was so firmly in the Jak 4 camp that the idea of a reimagining was annoying. Now I really want to see it! 😂
As we age we see the value in things hahahaha
In total there were 6 jak and daxter games made, jak 1-3, jak x combat racing, and another jak and daxter game, that was not made by naughty dog, but was not quite right, so in my mind not a true jak and daxter game.
And then technically there was the daxter game on psp, but that only involves daxter in the time round the beginning of jak 2.
It's actually genuinely baffling to me that you only have 3.1k subscribers, the quality of your videos (even older ones as i'm slowly working through your content) is stellar, be it the pacing, scripting, sound quality (mic and overall sound in general) is stellar.
Keep up the amazing work! You genuinely deserve a helluva a lot more subs!
Thank you so much Mike! That means the world, finding out how YT works with titling the videos, thumbnails, Algorithm changes etc is hard lol. I’ve had good fortune recently it seems and it’s been amazing. I joke with my editor all the time that I’m so salty that 45 min Final Fantasy video didn’t do numbers because I’m so proud of it. My end goal is to get more subs and then reupload it one day, but seriously thanks for saying that.
Background music for the Jak and Daxter segment is The Gapra Whitewood from FF XIII
Ahhh a person of culture. Welcome. On this channel we respect FFXIII
Beat Jak 2 on a whim the other day and now my feed is recommending me so much Jak and Daxter stuff. Really nice video -- really appreciate the insight and recap of the Crash/Spyro revivals at the start!
Thank you Bryce! my feed is all over it right now as well lol.
Imagine if Naughty Dog spent the time and effort into rebooting Jak and Daxter into something like what Santa Monica did with God of War 2018. The appeal to do so would probably be a lot riskier but what God of War showed me is that it may not actually matter as much if the majority of the audience aren't familiar with the original games. Great games speak for themselves, and the GOW reboot raked in so many new fans like me who went and played the original trilogy afterwards. I don't think they would though as Naughty Dog have really let their opus TLOU and realistic animations get to their head a bit.
That’s what I’m saying. They should not cater to anyone. Make it something new an impressive and people will come no matter what. The game can standout while still having the spirit of what it was. Doesn’t need to be the same as long as it feels like a progression
I’m not sure I even want it back if the batshit crazy activists that are currently working at Naughty Dog are gonna be making it.
You know the guys who said “No Fun Allowed”
I just want to collect precursor orbs, discover different types of eco and eco powers, fly all over the place in zoomer bikes, blast enemies with my morph gun with a little orange rat on my shoulder again
That sounds nice
Sly Cooper was always my favorite between Jak, Ratchet, and the rest of the Ps2 3d platformers. I wish they would do a remastered collection.
Its wild that it hasn't even at least been brought to current gen :/
the guy is stranded
@@Repaduski It has been ported to ps4/5 vía the new classics feature
Absolutely adore your music choices.
Infinite Azure from Tekken and Gapra Whitewood from ff13.
*Chef's kiss*
When I tell you its so hard to find a Crash song that fits a video like this..... it was painful. Sly music works well but Jak music is the same way. its great music but doesn't fit the vibe of a video essay. My editor chose the Tekken song in the final hour and i chose Gapra Whitewood because FF13 music is godly. and I'm a bit in love with FF
It would be interesting that we get a Jak & Daxter Game in the Style of Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild in terms of storytelling, gameplay, and open-world environments and the new Jak game can still add a lot of humor to the story.
If you take Jak and Daxter and make it a pseudo photo realistic duck and cover shooter you haven't made Jak and Daxter you have made a game I can go onto steam and find 400 pages of. So much of the series charm comes from its art and animation style. The goofy expressions, the exaggerated slap stick violence, The characters stretching and warping during certain animations, the bright and vibrant worlds and colors that wonderfully use contrast and really make their environments pop. I agree the gameplay can do with some updating the sort of verity adventure platformer genre doesn't really have the same appeal these days, but making it a duck and cover shooter isn't really the answer. I think something more akin to Ratchet and Clank or something like a third person movement shooter. The art style can for sure survive though. Ratchet and Clank didn't have to sacrifice its art style to survive and the success of games like Hades which are overwhelming praised for their visuals prove that more cartooney and stylized art styles are still very much welcome to a modern audience.
I honestly don't know why it hasn't happened yet.. so many other platformers have been revived.
Ratchet is proving time and time again that it is indeed time for some of these characters to shine again
@@Repaduski Absolutely
No passion. The folks in charge have no faith in the project.
the issue is that everyone who worked on jak at naughty dog has left so it’s not very appealing to them
I hope Jak and Daxter returns. The 4th game, which I don't consider cannon, was such a let down coming from someone who grew up with the series. In fact it, along side Sly Cooper, were the first games I ever played. RaC proved that these type of games are still heavily desired and with the recent requisition of the Jak IP back to Naughty Dog, one can only hope they'll set aside their dark dreary TLOU franchise just for a moment to return to the light hearted world of Light and Dark eco.
There is so much untapped potential for the IP i really hope it gets revisited specifically by them. We need something more lighthearted from them next i think. I also don’t even think about lost frontier. We need more though.
You guys need to realize the Naughty dog that you once knew is no longer there.
If a sequel was made it would be terrible. The Sjws at Naughty dog would destroy any good writing and jokes the series had.
Replay Jak 2 and 3 and you'll see all the lewd jokes they had.
That won't fly today.
What do you count as the 4th game? X or the lost frontier? X is 4 and frontier is the 5th entry but people disregard X for no reason.
@@buster3041 Lost Frontier is canonically considered the 4th game with X being a side game.
Usually I hate the idea of destroying a canonical work through "reboots", but this is one series that honestly needs it if they ever want to move forward with it, and the characters must be based on the Precursor Legacy.
Agreed. It could be so much better
I loved the Jak series (including Combat Racing), and I think it deserves some new love.
Jak X was amazing, played so many hours of that
A Sly stealth action game would be incredible and fit perfectly alongside other modern games.
I think changing up the art style some to have more realistic elements (environments and enemies mainly) and a little bit of a darker tone (the game already deals with a lot of heavy topics, so I don't think it's a big leap). Have a somewhat realistic setting, like a Las Vegas or a Miami type environment.
Pit sly against a trope-y villain and have him do heists in a casino, or corrupt cops, or even a cartel type group. Have a mostly open world with the ability to sabotage the antagonist's properties, maybe take them over a la Saints Row, Mafia, etc. Make sure everything aligns morally as he goes, he could even have a no killing credo like most Batman's.
Tone down the acrobatics to an extent, it doesn't even have to be by changing Sly, it could simply be providing less verticality in level designs. This makes it feel a little more grounded in reality, but even with that, bed still going to be fast and agile, he's a raccoon after all.
This is just some 2AM word vomit, but I think there's a lot of potential in a modern Sly stealth-action game.
"But not how you want" is an understatement. Almost everyone who worked on Jak and Daxter left Naughty Dog after Uncharted 1, Jak 4 was canned because the team at Naughty Dog realized they just didn't care about the franchise, and I just do NOT trust modern Naughty Dog not to completely ruin the franchise. I don't think my heart could take new fans claiming Jak & Daxter is "finally good" and taking a dump on the original games and their fans. I've been through that way too many times already with Street Fighter, Castlevania, and the Tales franchise. No. I love Jak and Daxter but it's better that it stay in the past where it belongs rather than being ruined by the miserable present we currently live in.
EDIT: It's also worth mentioning that I hate Uncharted, The Last of Us, and cover based shooters and my favorite J&D games are the first one and Jak X. So...yeah...from a PERSONAL standpoint? Terrible idea.
Miserable present? I love gaming right now, and ratchet and clank is killing it right now, but I think ND could do jak again easy, it doesn’t need to be photo real, can still have its tone. It doesn’t require everyone who worked in the past in my opinion
@@Repaduski He's not talking about gaming alone (and you know that). Naughty Dog leans heavily into partisan politics and virtue signaling / preaching. Any new Jak and Daxter would be laden with THE MESSAGE, lacking in any semblance of humor, and would likely make a purposeful effort to dump on the original games and fans for being "problematic" in an effort to pander to current perceived market trends.
Then you'd get gaming journalists going along with it. Kotaku would start posting "Naughty Dog FINALLY fixes Jak and Daxter franchise with a new female Afro-Inuit non-binary genderqueer ace-spectrum lead and abandons misogynistic roots" while IGN would rant "Problematic character Daxter will be pregnant in reboot. Learns value of birthing-personhood."
Any objection voiced by the old fans from the 2000s would be met with snarls and disdain. Of course we don't like it; we're problematic pricks; dinosaurs just like those old awful games. On and on...
No, better to leave it dead.
@@Ingel_Riday6690 I do believe these games should be remastered akin to what Spyro got, But I don’t believe in the “message” you say Naughty Dog needs / has In their games. Honestly this just sounds like your attributing your disdain for TLOU II into Naughty Dogs ethos in general. (I’m assuming since nobody has this critique for their other games)
I also don’t see them or any game they make as “Woke” or “Political” and think most people who say that want to be a part of the angry brigade, “Because we need to fight the system maaaaaaaaaaaaan” and get their bias from Twitter and TH-cam comments.
If You hate The Last Of Us (the first one, it's not like there is a second one at all anyway)
But TLOU is a way better game than Jak and Dexter
The story
The atmosphere
The characters etc...
@@michaelmurphy9701 Actually, they did get criticized for the politics that crept into Uncharted 4 (courtesy of Neil Druckmann, again).
Also, I have no idea how you could legitimately see The Last of Us: Part 2 as anything other than woke drivel. At all. Just... huh?
But anyways, I loved the old Naughty Dog. I adored the team that made the Jak and Daxter games. The team that made the first Uncharted trilogy and The Last of Us: Part 1 was pretty great too. Both teams are GONE now. The horrible working conditions and crunch tied to The Last of Us: Part 2 caused a massive exodus of talent.
I have a strong dislike for Neil Druckmann's "ethos," if you will. He's a woke shill who chased away large chunks of his company with inhumane, awful work conditions and I wouldn't trust him to do Jak 4 any justice whatsoever.
Now dump Neil, get back the Uncharted team members that fled his preaching and mismanagement, and re-hire Amy Hennig... then I'd have faith.
Still sad that the Sly Cooper movie didn't come out.
I would love a new Jak and Daxter game.
This topic has a great lesson. We love older games from studios that have been around since the PS1 era, but do those studios have the same talent to bring them back without tripling down on the elements they are currently know for? I love JaD and loved the PSP Daxter game. I would wait 15 more years to play a new entry, but I think Naughty Dog and Ready at Dawn collectively aren't being tasked to do anything close to a fun platformer again.
That’s why I think it needs to modernize a bit while still being fun. Then they would have more fun making it I imagine
In my opinion,
If you look the earlier gameplay of Beyond Good and Evil and use your imagination, you would be able to see some aspects about how Jack and Daxter will be with modern graphics and mechanics
Do you mean the reboot that is in dev hell or the actual old one?
@@Repaduski the one that is in dev hell
There is a reason the Jak series still holds up today. Realistic visuals are not the way to go and Jak 4 looked awful. I'm fine with the series being dead instead of returning to look like a modern naughty dog game.
Like i mentioned. Photo real is not where this game should ever go. But they can take the Animated look so much further today. there are plenty of examples of how that can look. I think the only reason it didn't work out the first attempt is because they tried to go down the photo real look. there is a very healthy in between.
You ever hear they planned on makin’ Daxter silent?
@@themenacingsloth That would be rough i think lol
The desert and its vehicles in Jak 3 if it was brought into current tech it would be Mad Max. Especially the Gila Stomper buggy and the 20 or 30 mm or 50 Caliber chain gun on it... *busts a nut
Lmao their vehicle tech now is so much better. Throw that thing on the Jeep in UC4
@@Repaduski What the Gila Stomper? Jesus that buggy was a trip to use.
This video gave me depression. If they make a new jak and Daxter and they mesh it with the uncharted Art style and/or game some part of me will die and be rebirthed as the ultimate pessimist I was always meant to be. Everything will become terrible. I can't stand the thought. It's rejected in every fiber of my being. Please. I'd rather it not get a new release then see it desecrated to appeal to the masses. Fuck the masses. 3d platformers are the true embodiment of fun. How they don't see it is beyond me.
I would take either one. I love platformers. even if it stayed in its art style i think everything else in the video applies.
I'd love to see a remake/remaster of Jak X Combat Racing...
Your example of better story writing is last of us 2 ? Seriously ? lol
Also when you say it can be pulled off only by the "original devs", you know they bullied Amy Hennig out of naughty dog with woke degeneracy right ?
Most awarded game in history but go off. Let me guess all paid off?
@@Repaduski Considering user scores and that I had to google it since this is the first time I heard that, I would say so, probably yes. Stunning and brave lol
@@spaljenimaslacak7663 come on you are smarter than to look as user score that was bombed from people who hate different types of people lmao. Good luck in life
Yeah, tlou 2 is the best story NG has ever made, they made a masterpiece of Uncharted 4 without Amy, nobody bullied her, she just wanted to take the game to other direction.
@@Repaduski My point exactly, praised as the most awarded game ever just for amount of transvestites and minorities on screen, shallow mindless revenge plot in which Ellie turned into a bleak unlikable teenager kills everyone except the one she was supposed to kill, wrapping up 20 hour game just to say "violence bad". At least gameplay was hard to fuck up since they changed literally nothing. 2020's degeneracy at its finest.
Jak and Daxter was built for the less loading screen wait time for the ps2. The first of the open work platformer. The second and third instalment was a cartoonish competitor to GTA’s success, with the familiarity of Ratchet and Clank, and the platformer style. It hit broad audiences at the time. If they were to remake the trilogy with continuations, it would have to take a lot of the current popular styles and be a hybrid like the originals for the modern period of gaming today. Still would love to see those iconic characters come back reimagined. Maybe someday.
Ratchet and clank, sly and crash were and would be much easier to reboot cause their core gameplay never really changed throughout the series.
The jak series is a lot more complicated. Jak 1 is the more popular one. But then again, the story in jak 2 and 3 are way better, and there are elements of 2 and 3 that I do like. So it's very difficult to choose a direction for jak 4. Do you go for a light hearted platformer, or do you go for the more serious 2 and 3?
I think 2 and 3 are still very lighthearted. They are just more mature by nature. I think you take jak 2 and 3 tone and make actual gunplay
@@Repaduski I think what he’s trying to imply is that unlike the other the platformers like Sly, the Jak & Daxter series has a identity issue which is a huge topic in the community because many believe the series has a confusing theme in each game. Each game stands out on their own but anyone new who tries to get into the series now might be off put by it’s original predecessor. Most people would rather stick the first one Jak game.
@@__Venomous_ no I get that but the jak audience as a whole is very small compared to the amount of people playing games these days, I’m not asking for jak to be the last of us. But they definitely shouldn’t cater to us being the smallest pool of people, they know we would buy it anyway
@@Repaduski I see. Well due to this issue many would think Sly would still have a higher chance to come back than Jak & Daxter. I think Sony is aware of the demand for Sly tbh. I think a remaster/remake or soft reboot can get the series more popular especially in a world of so many stuff coming back. It’s also weird how the Sly games are still nowhere to be seen on the new PS+ but who knows at this point. I think the identity issue plays a huge factor to why the Jak & Daxter series has been inactive has well as many would say. They are either afraid or confuse about where it’s direction should go and it’s exact theme should be. So while yes the Jak & Daxter series might’ve been successful, It made the sales later on decrease by another. To bring back Jak & Daxter I’d say straight up reboot it.
@@__Venomous_ I agree. reboot the hell out of it. But Ratchet is still a big hit and all the ratchet games are stranded on PS3 so who knows what goes on over there. we need emulation on ps5
Mario, ratchet and sonic has just kept on making platformers lol. The only thing stopping anyone is the interest of the rightholders and devs.
Those are fundamentally different types of platformers than the PlayStation ones.
Mario is Mario though lol
3:31 that looks sick.
But if I was to pick a few games on ps1 or ps2 to be remastered it would be Gex, Croc and Scalar, they are very underated and I think with the resurgence of platformers they would be a no brainer to remake
I know Gex, let me take a look at the other ones. Need to research
@@Repaduski cool also your channel is very underated too, definitely gonna check out your other stuff
@@STICKOMEDIA Really appreciate that. trying to make cool stuff. Thanks for watching STICK
@@Repaduski np 👍
I want Jak 4 to be the same art style of the original 4 and the gameplay of a modified GTA4 to fit jaks style…
I don’t think Jak needs to go full Grand Theft Auto lol
I disagree with a lot of what you said. The main thing though is that I would rather see The Jak Trilogy rot in a vault for eternity than get a "realistic" (even semi realistic) sequel. No thank you, absolutely do not want.
Tbh. They'd probably FF7 remake it where the core story is there but it's just slightly different in certain ways
I wouldn’t be opposed to a reimagining
Back in the day when the second game released, I looked to the second Ratchet and Clank game and decided that I liked the Jak series more. Over the years as Ratchet and Clank released what probably is over a dozen games, I just felt the absence of Jak and Daxter and quit playing the Ratchet and Clank games, sadly observing my chosen favorite get ignored.
Sir do i have the video for you coming tomorrow afternoon lol
If it makes you feel better this is realistically RaCs last console generation of being active anyway. I seriously can't see Insomniac making more than one or two games tops after RA without hitting a genuine creative brick wall.
@@TerrorOfTalos To be fair, Insomniac games were going to make A Crack in Time the last RaC game. But Sony loves the RaC games, so they kept supporting and convincing Insomnaic games to make more. Unless Sony stops supporting thoses game I don't see RaC going anywhere soon.
@@djjamz2887 You do have a point, thing is the circumstances were *much* different in 2010-15 due to Insomniac wanting to experiment with the series and the movie also being in development during that time. On top of this outside of the Resistance trilogy (2006-2011) and sunset overdrive (2014) the rest of their games were much smaller in scope compared to RaC. Now however it's *much* different (starting particularly in 2018) and this on top of 2 more huge Marvel licensed projects in development and a new multiplayer IP that just started pre-production recently.
Logically going by the development schedule SM2 is 2023, Wolverine will most likely follow 2024 and the multiplayer project could be 2025, by the time SM2 wraps up development and let's say that team starts working on a RA sequel by mid 2023 (best case scenario) that'll be most likely be another 3ish years of development and that'll put it at 2026. 9th gen will definitely last longer than 7th or 8th but not by much and I can see 10th starting in 2029 or 2030. It's just realistically with all the other stuff Insomniac is working on I can't see more than just one more new game in the series this decade (which I'm totally fine with).
It's clear to me that there's been a shift in priorities with what games they're currently making and even though RaC is still generally successful I can't blame them due to how long they've been consistently working on the series, especially with it celebrating its 20th anniversary in a couple of months lol.
@@TerrorOfTalos These are some pretty good point and being honest we can both be wrong in our assumptions. I just can't see both Sony and Insomniac ever giving up on this franchise, even with the success of their current and upcoming Marval games. Slowing down for sure, but never fully going away at least not anytime soon. Since outside of RaC, Insomniac's big games recently have been Spiderman games, and they don't own Spiderman. Who really is to say how long they will keep working both theses franchises. But I don't see them going away soon, until a few more other franchises start coming in or the people behind theses games stops enjoying making the games. And with how many people in Insomniac are long time fans of RaC now working on theses games and enjoyed making Rift Apart, I think they would want to continue for more, just at a slower place than the PS2 and PS3 era.
Man I really hate the fact that game studios like Naughty Dog in this case has to take the general audience into account instead of just J&D fans because they are so concerned with their bottom lines and that’s become a huge factor when deciding to remake/make an entirely new game to reboot the old series. I would love a new Sly or Jak game but that’s very wishful thinking of my childhood nostalgia that they would only cater to people like me.
Maybe because development costs have increased to hundreds of millions that catering solely to a small community for support is financial suicide
J&D is definitely at the top for me, for games that just grabbed me and made me wanna play till the end. I played all 3 as they came out and 2 was def my favorite. I completely agree on a reboot! I could imagine even, an art style, kind of like HZD.(I know they're diff studios, just dreamin here) There really are so many possibilities. Great video!
Ya know, horizon isnt an awful comparison.
Dude your channel might blow up; please keep up your awesome vids
That’s a big compliment, thank you!!
seeing how ratchet turned out maybe it was for the best that jak stayed behind on the ps2
What exactly do you mean? Ratchet is killing it
Ratchet has been doing fine but it could use some passion in it's story regarding ratchet and clank.
If you can tell a million stories with marvel or dc characters then anything is possible.
man i'd play the hell out of a sci fi semi realistic jak game, it sounds amazing
Right there with you
this video gives me so much hope, especially after hearing that fans are literally taking the "fine ill do it myself" seriously
also for a multiplayer aspect for the jak & Daxter
Metal Heads and Dark Makers
VS
Krimson Gaurd and Krimson Death Bots
any ideas anyone has to further this are obviously welcome
Thank you for saying that Red Rose! glad you felt that way. I always thought a revamped Jak game could make for some crazy kinetic MP gameplay. always been a pipe dream of mine. but double jumping and dashing around could work well
maybe have a coop where another player can take control of daxter and introduce his own special weapons and the precursers give him some unique abilities fitting of a precurser
Haven't started the video yet but will say this; I don't want modern Naughty Dog or Insomniac touching Jak. Give me my cartoony look back baby.
Another platformer that is due for a remake is I-ninja. This game didn't sell well and was a very overlooked game. A remake could benefit from this as not a whole lot of people played it or heard of it. It was developed by Argonaut games. They developed the original Donkey Kong game before Rare took over.
Since I don't see the original getting a remaster on newer platforms any time soon, and since no new fans would go back to play the old game, I think it's safe for a remake to get a new audience. With Argonaut games closing their doors in 2009 and Namco just buying them out, this is an IP that needs to come to the modern era. There's a possibility of a spiritual successor. But no new developments have came out. So we're have to wait.
Anyways in your last video on The Last of us remake, I posted a comment and you said you were going to reread it and give a better answer. So I figured you can give your two cents here.
Sorry I didn't get to your comment on there. That was a pretty hectic week for me as you can imagine. But a very very rewarding one none the less. awesome things. I'm so burnt out on that video and its questions so I don't think I could offer anything of value Part 1 related right now. But give me a bit and ill go back to it.
As for your comment here, I had to look that game up. I remember the box art from the GameCube days. I have never played it but i would see it in blockbuster. Looking at the footage it looks like ratchet and clank vibes. The environments and OST. gameplay not as much. minus the rail grinds etc. I'm sure it could get a remaster one day if the demand is there. But I worry if we don't even have all the Ratchet, and Sly Cooper games available for 2 consoles idk what the cards hold for I-Ninja
@@Repaduski Yeah. I recon it was a tough week. Glad you responded though. But yeah. I can see that. I-ninja does have that Rachet and Clank vibe. It borrows from the game while having it's own identity. It was actually more inspired by Mario 64 as you have a hub world area and you can do any mission in any order you see fit.
You earn grades to progress and get a higher tier belt. The higher rank you are, the more grades it requires to get the next belt. But you might have to retread previously and missions in the other hub worlds with an additional challenge. It can get grindy. And I ain't talking about Destiny levels of grindy. If you want to get the purple belt which is maximum level, you have to redo all missions with an added challenge.
Some of these challenges vary from time trials, to finding and killing every single enemy in the mission, to finding red coins. There will also be a NPC in each hub world that contains a bonus challenge too.
That'll in total take you 10-11 hours of full Completionist. If you just want to finish the game, it'll round out to 5 hours of play time. But for what it's worth, it's still a solid game. I'd recommend checking it out. If you don't have the tech or you want another way to play it, You can emulate it with a ROM. It'll save you the trouble of having to buy it at an extremely high price.
I think what hurt a lot of those games are situational. Sly 4 had a different developer, Crash had kind of been devalued with Crash of the Titans, and Spyro was linked to Skylanders for a long time...
Similarly, as a Ratchet and Clank fan, the series took a nosedive when it got put on ps3. So I think that the loss of Dan Johnson did affect the development heavily. Ratchet and Clank was all about the corporations and was really leaning into the gunplay with games like Up Your Arsenal and Deadlocked (where it really hit it's stride imo).
Jak was plagued with being turned into Last of Us, and being discarded for Uncharted and Last of Us. It also had a bit of an identity crisis. The first game was a nice little platformer, then it was a nice edgy fantasy-cyberpunk GTA style game for two games and we had the gloriousness that was Jak X.
But I think that's also a problem between Sony's western developers and Sony Japan. For the Japanese audience Ratchet had these enormous eyebrows and cutesy look... and Jak had his goatee taken away (because goatees are villainous in every country apparently). You kind of see that with Lost Frontier. I think the big problems with what happened with Jak and Ratchet is that the developers or Sony rather wanted to appeal to a broader market which led to them maybe leaning towards the adventure genre (Uncharted from Tomb Raider/Indiana Jones-Crystal Skull), the superhero craze (Infamous) and the Zombie craze (House of the Dead games at every arcade, Zombieland, World War Z etc)...
I just think Sly 4 would have been better off like how Ratchet Deadlocked and Jak X are remembered since those games are made by their original developers. I know developers are a huge concern for some gamers like when I was younger I remember when people were talking about how Infinity Ward and Sledgehammer would take turns on Call of Duty games... and later on KH gamers would be worried about KH3 being floaty because I think a director for BBS or some other game was going to be in charge.
Which also reminds me of another PS series, Twisted Metal, that game series got derailed with T3 and T4, then we had Black, then Head-On and then TW2012. Which were all pretty solid games, but the big problem was that they either should have went with a sequel to head on or a sequel to Black. Ik Lost was a sequel to Black, but it should have just been called Black 2 from jump
So you think Sly is just a dated franchise incapable of making a comeback? Jeez.
No I adore Sly cooper. I'm just trying to look past my bias. I would die for that racoon
What happened when TiT released as the comeback game again?
@@TerrorOfTalos It reviewed okay and sold poorly
@@TerrorOfTalos it came out a horrible time
@@KnucklesWTD Pre PS4. just like crash 4. funny how that works. Crash 4 is also amazing
Man Sly Cooper could be reimagined into a classic AC gameplay style, that’s what I felt like when I played Sly Cooper 3 on ps2 back in the day, when there was no AC.... Man I could go for hours stealing and playing around Venice or the China map on Sly Cooper 3.
Improved graphics would of course be inevitable if they ever decided to come back to the Jak and Daxter series. However, I think they should stick to the original art style. Put it on par with the latest Ratchet and Clank games in terms of visuals and you won’t have any trouble finding a new audience while at the same time making old fans happy, or at the very least satisfied.
The gameplay, however, will depend on who you ask. I didn’t play Uncharted for the shooting, to put it mildly. So to suggest that Jak and Daxter go that route would leave me disappointed. I want a good mixture of platforming with fun* gunplay and melee combat.
I remember from an interview that when Naughty Dog tried to “modernize” Jak and Daxter in 2010, they took a step back and realized “that’s not Jak and Daxter,” so they moved on to something else.
I feel like if you make the series almost unrecognizable in terms of visuals and gameplay, you’re better off just making a completely different series.
I don't think it would be unrecognizable. I just think it needs to be tightened up. Jaks gunplay is very weak. It needs to at the very least act like ratchet where you actually fully aim and shoot fluidly. which is where the uncharted comparison comes in to play. Don't picture Jak playing like Nathan drake. Picture that as a framework. with more fun movement and double jumps and Jaks normal moves but more modernized
@@Repaduski Interesting. A Jak game with strafing. It would be (and forgive the pun) a game changer.
@@SuperWorldJumper yeah for sure haha. they can do a lot. I just wish they would give it one more look
No. The ratchet games are looking too realistic. People seem to forget how cartoony jak, ratchet and sly are in terms of presentation.
They all looked liked early 2000s cartoons and should stay that way.
@@buster3041 I’d say the Ratchet games are more detailed, but I’d hardly call them realistic. Rift Apart looks nice but it’s still clearly an animated world.
They need to keep the story line in a new Jak game. Like you said meaningful story telling us what made jak and Daxter so much fun. 3rd wall breaking was top tier. Every time you played it you wanted more
I think most of that can stay. We just need everything else overhauled to death
Another J&D in this era could be easily redefined whilst maintaining it's original identity. At this point seeing it take a new form in genre maybe the only way it may continue and tbh if done with creative intent in mind vs solely for monetization sake it may even be the perfect comeback for J&D but it appears it will remain relegated to the video game graveyard... unfortunately. Great discussion though!
I think the door is always open. But yes 100% they can it justice and i think it could be in general just a huge 3rd person sci fi IP if they just do it. I think Jaks door is further open than Sly or Spyros. Thanks for watching
@@Repaduski Agreed, it has more flexibility and relevance in today's landscape, I look forward to that day.
@@manofnothing9982 Agreed. Did you do Crash 4?
@@Repaduski No, but I've heard it was great and by the looks of it, managed to be a solid platformer too.
@@manofnothing9982 I finally got around to it to get footage. It rocks
I don't trust Naughty Dog to tackle Jak and Daxter in any way.
Not after Last of Us 2.
Personally, I'm a lot less convinced on the success of Jak returning for a variety of reasons.
Firstly, Naughty Dog themselves have spoken why Jak was never as popular as its predecessor Crash, or its successors Uncharted and TLOU. They "threw the kitchen sink at Jak" in terms of design. His aesthetic was a mix of Western Animation and Anime that didn't really stand out in either market like Crash did. And starting from Jak 2, the gameplay had open world carjacking from GTA3, gunplay from Ratchet and Clank, hoverboarding based on Tony Hawk etc. A consequence of this approach meant that none of its individual systems were as fleshed out as the games it was emulating. Its open world sandbox wasn't as dynamic or emergent as GTA 3. Its shooting wasn't as deep as Ratchet's. And its hoverboarding sections were quite few and far between. This also diluted the time you spend platforming. So it becomes harder for a fan of GTA, Ratchet or Tony Hawk to really get into the Jak games like they would their other games. Essentially, the Jak games often struggled with their own identity, trying to be any game other than themselves. This made it harder for them to stick in the public conciousness.
Secondly, this makes it hard to continue the series in a satisfying way especially all this time later.
For one, the best selling game in the Jak series is still Jak 1. It outsold both Jak 2 and 3 combined. If you make a new Jak game, do you model it after Jak 1? If so, you upset the Jak 2 and 3 fans waiting for "their game" or a continuation of Jak. If you model it like Jak 2 and 3 as this collection of disparate gameplay styles trying to be fit together, you'd have to both essentially design the gameplay for 3-4 other games in a satisfying way into a single game. You can't get by anymore with the basics anymore. Like, it's hard to go back to GTA3 with its terrible shooting controls. So a follow up to Jak 2 and 3 would need both great shooting controls, and great open world systems, and great systems for guns, hoverboarding etc. And then you'd have to sell this game. Which is even harder. Most modern Naughty Dog fans and gamers in general would likely be turned off by the lack of focus. And the built in Jak 2 and 3 fanbase isn't exactly massive enough to carry the game.
If you scrap everything and opt for a more realistic style to "modernize" the series, well, you upset both the old fans, and have no guarantee new fans would replace them given how wacky Jak still is.
The only way, I could see a new Jak game working is if it's explicitly designed like a throwback. Like, you know how we have media calling back to the design and aesthetic of the 80's? Make Jak 4 a 2000's throwback in both design and aesthetic and tone. This would have a few advantages. For one, it could appeal to a wider nostalgia than just Jak players. It could be presented like a "greatest hits of the things you loved from the PS2" so even people who didn't play Jak but liked the PS2 may become interested. If you want, the game could even be cheeky and meta about this, turning some of its weaknesses into strengths. Like, if the hoverboarding is sparse, you could have Daxter lampshade that with "so? we rarely use the hoverboard. I guess that's just how we always did it back in the day".
It has its problems, you'd still need to design systems with some degree of modern polish and continue the story, but of all ideas, I feel this has the best chance of working. As opposed to just making a sequel (which is risky because of the split fanbase and sales) or a realistic reboot (ignores the old fans altogether).
I kind of disagree but I appreciate the thoughtful response, I don’t think they should model is off of any of the Jak games. I think it should use Uncharted as a base gameplay wise and then just crank it up to 12. Sci-fi fun. Double jumps, long rolls, dashes etc. i think the game needs to be a reboot essentially. Visually somewhere close to uncharted 4 while still having a bit of that fantasy edge to it. Like a final fantasy art style, I think in order to make jak mainstream you should pickup the pieces and make it brand new
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That might be the riskiest option tho.
Like, would old Jak fans be down with the Jak games moving away from the design of the old games? And would new players be interested in that?
Plus, Uncharted's appeal is also that it tries to at least be somewhat realistic in both aesthetics and gameplay while still being somewhat lightheared. If you design a new Jak to be a cranked up Uncharted, would the players translate over?
Consider the following analogy, let's say Naughty Dog announce Uncharted 5, and it's modelled off the Last of Us now. So no more fun lighthearted adventuring. The tone is much more serious and intense. Combat is now much bloody and brutal. Characters die now. Movement is limited to whatever Ellie could do so no fancy climbing. But the game still has supernatural yetis and cities at points.
Uncharted fans are likely not going to be happy with the changes. They would prefer the more lighthearted and cool approach. And even people who like TLOU's realism may be put off by the yetis and secret cities. You risk making a game neither the old or new players would accept.
I feel that would be the challenge such a new Jak game could face.
One could say Jak 2 and 3 were a..... Jak of all trades master of none situation? :P
@@J-manli the difference is that Uncharted and the Last of us are very much still relevant and have each sold a metric ton recently. Jak is very very dormant. And speaking as one. It’s old fans do not matter at all when they make a new game. People like us would be 1 percent of the demographic they want to hit. They should under no circumstance base it on the wants of old school platforming fans because it would not have a chance to be a big hit.
@@J-manli pretty much yeah lol
I already accepted the fate of Jak and Daxter, its movement and combat was refined so well on the past but I doubt they will bring it back and probably change it if a new Game is announced.
I'm not seeing "it can only be Naughty Dog" at all. If anything, Naughty Dog really can't do Jak and Daxter games any more. They tried and failed, and the people that made Jak great are gone.
Let Naughty Dog go and make their HBO series or whatever, and let game development be done by game devs.
I said if its to be a full reworking of Jak it should only be ND. If its just going to be another Jak 3 then anyone can take it
@@Repaduski Yes, I understood that.
In order for there to be a reworking, it needs to be done by the people who worked on it the first time.
Those people are gone from Naughty Dog. If THEY got together and Sony gave them the license to make a new Jak game that reworks the formula as you said, I'd be all for it.
Under which corporate entity they do so, frankly, I could not care less, and they are not Naughty Dog employees at present.
I’d be heartbroken if they changed the art style.
Setting and tone is one thing, but the art has been consistent the whole trilogy.
Imagine Jaks movements on anything even slightly more realistic, it just wouldn’t look right.
I don’t want a game that happens to have the jak and daxter title, I want a jak and daxter game.
You should want things to grow. It doesn’t have to be super real looking. Just more fantasy. Its weird to restrict things to their original form
I really hope we can get the original trilogy remade and then finally a true Jak 4 but it couldn't be made by ND we need someone who won't make it a woke steaming turd.
We at least need a better version of these games on PS than the poorley emulated ones we have now
You had me in the first half then you had to ruin it with your tarded woke joke
love the tekken background music
im back: nice final fantasy music too!
I was NOT expecting to here final fantasy XIII music !!! You have good taste sir
It’s funny because when we were finding the music for this one it was weirdly hard because crash and jak music isn’t video essay friendly. And I adore final fantasy and have been looking for excuses to use the XIII OST 😂. And my editor ended up using tekken music for the first part
My only real concern is the incredibly dated dialogue not aging well. It’s a product of its time and it really shows.
That’s why I think everything needs to be reimagined
Jak 2 Renegade immersion was crazy for the time and very dark mature environment with a fantasy style , I want something like this, I don't want another graphically impressive playable movie with shallow gameplay
I don’t want a playable movie. Just real gun play
Insomniac could do it too. I feel like they would treat their beloved "frenemy" with the respect it deserves. In the latest Ratchet and Clank title they even had models for Jak and Daxter along with Sly. They've been making platformers for years, and with their latest installment of the Spider-Man series, they could easily implement a bit of realism to the series while also maintaining the exaggerated character movements that Jak has to offer. I feel like if Naughty Dog isn't going to do it, the first studio they should ask is Insomniac.
I honestly feel like jak and daxter with realistic graphics would go well with its dark and dystopic universe. With naughty dog's improved story telling abilities over the years it would be a remarkable game for sure. I hope they take the jak 4 off the shelf and start working on it someday.
Totally unrelated, but i recently decided to go get the plat trophy for Final Fantasy 13. When the music from the game started playing in the video, i thought i was hearing things for a hot minute 😂
I got it a few years ago and I feel the need to throw it’s music wherever lol
Now Depression kicks in … Thanks for the childhood memories. 💯
Anytime Jonathan, anytime
Jak and dax came out when I was a very young. Between that and sly cooper it sparked my ultimate passion for video games.
Neil Druckmann would made Jak a monster becouse well duh, dark Jak, then someone would kill him, and you will go after them as Daxter, only to play more than half of the game as the person that killed Jak
The reason crash 4 didnt sell so well is because the market was saturated. 99% of the ppl who bought it either played the original trilogy more than a decade ago or never played it at all. So when you release the remastered version it is basically 3 brand new games in one package which people can play and try to 100% for months. Then you release a brand new game 3 years later and dont even market it that well. Idk about you guys but if i were a new customer I'd rather buy a trilogy that came out in 2017 and has stood the test od time than a 2020 game that uses the same visuals. They shouldve started selling the anniversary bundle for 100$ as soon as crash 4 came out.
Then that's fatigue, not saturation
Did you know there's a "Kingdom Hearts" fanfic focused on Roxas, in which one of the worlds he visits is that one ? It's called "The Twilight Will".
I did not know this
He is really using infinite azure as background music😍 this man knows what's good!
The one song my editor chose haha. Glad people love it. We struggled with music on this one so it’s great to see multiple songs get called out in the comments
@@Repaduski not that much people will realized it but as a lovely tekkenplayer i heard that in the first 3 seconds. And only tekkenplayers know that this song is one of the best soundtracks were ever made for tekken, i appreciate that this Song goes over to other communities😁
I would settle for a remaster with cut content from the game like saints row 4 did. That’s all I’m asking for. Because they have a big map cut out from 1
Id settle for them to say his name in the context of bringing it back lol
to go back to sucker punch, i do think a more fleshed out sly could be done today, they flat out stated tsushima was an evolution and heavily inspired from the flow of sly cooper
You have no idea how happy I am that I'm not the only one who remembers not only Jak and Daxter, but also Enslaved
Happy to be of service lol
I played the spinoff Daxter for the PSP
Was my first game ever and it still holds up today as one of my fav games
I recently replayed it on my now half-broken console and it was still amazing
That intro song confused me i thought i started tekken 7 but it was your video god damn
Lol it had to be done. Crash music didnt fit
@@Repaduski understandable, have a nice day xD
@@DragonslayerDarkfireNr1 you too :D
I don’t want to see a heavy change on their art design. Too realistic would probably not have the nostalgic effect that would ultimately sell the games. Instead just put my detail into the original designs.
Not Photo real. def not that haha. just a little closer while still looking super animated
Fun fact about why Sly 4 didn't do so well sale-wise is because FE Awakening released on the same day
Im going to have to object. FE awakenings audience is not Slys haha
I feel like the CG Trailers have perfect models and graphics to take inspiration from especially 3, they don't need to be photorealistic.