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- Allegations that Gateway Church founder Robert Morris molested a 12-year-old girl in the 1980s sent shockwaves throughout Christian circles and the media last month.
Two days after admitting to “an inappropriate sexual behavior with a young lady,” Morris resigned from the megachurch in Southlake, Texas. His accuser, Cindy Clemishire, claims she was anything but a “young lady” when the incident occurred.
“It was a crime,” she said. “I was a little girl.”
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Her parents failed her by not filing charges 35 years ago.
Their pastor and the church failed this whole family.
That’s why the Bible says not everyone should be a pastor,
because you will be judged more harshly.James 3:1
Especially leading others astray or getting others to cover for someone’s sins.
Which is what these leaders and pastors did.
This statement is so true!
Yes, WHERE WERE HER PARENTS while this was going on - and in their home??
I think it is the parents fault the parents still had other men in their home and the were in her home the parents should have known where their daughter was also she knew what she was doing at the age of 14 I believe they should chàrge the parents now she kept going back and they still was friends I don't believe the parents were good parents They should brought this out years a go that tells me some wrong here so l like Pastor Morris I think he is a great pastor he knows the Bible also look what you all have done to their Grand children look what thier children is doing to do them in school I have 4girls I watch them I Allow men in my house around I knew where they were all the time I have 10 G Daughter's &
and 7 GG Daughters I believe the parents are to blame more so you-all waited 35 yrs to ruin Pastors life or maybe maybe you are after money I hope God can let you all sleep at night what you done to this man when you should been checking to see where your Daughter was in your own home the parents are just as gulity😅
friends
Stop!! Stop blaming the victims!!! And yes, the parents were also victims. Go learn about the psychology of abuse and sexual assault.
I believe that her parents need to ask her for her forgiveness for not reporting the incident . They seemed to want to keep it quiet.
It was Olen Griffey, the Church Pastor, and the Elders of Shady Grove Church
who convinced the family to keep it quiet and told them that the church would handle it. If anyone is to blame it’s Olen Griffey and those Elders.
@@KansasMiss-mf4bj Olen seems like total slime! I wonder what the statute of limitations was back then?
It may have only been a couple years. Olen would know. They made Robert an elder at 29. Unheard of.
Olen knew what a money maker he had. I imagine he was a corrupt state trooper as well. Should be investigated! 😠
Jesus said on her video that her parents did try to do something your parents did try to talk about it not that they wanted to keep it quiet this way they could have talked about it just what things I could have done my dad would have when is the next church after he did his sermon pulled him over to the side and just said this is what happened you need to fix it
@@user-wy4wk3mv2m Her dad told Robert not to preach again. Robert lied about this later, saying he did what Cindy's father said. But he didn't, he only stopped preaching to children.
Exactly
Too many people are scared to blow the whistle on predators. WHY? Children are so vulnerable and innocent
Leaders manipulate the Bible and they're held by wrongly induced guilt
What was done is wrong. Telling people all her adult life about it.... Then why wait to take it to courts until he is a wealthy man?
It's because children are so vulnerable and innocent that someone might not want to put them through a trial to try and convict a perv like Morris
Job security Marlene. To them, it's all about $$$ because gold is their god, not the Lord Jesus Christ as the Apostle Paul said the last days church would have to deal with.......
I am very tired of all this judgement.
@@karenhartman7115 you mean the part where Robert Morris is exposed for what he did?
It is super hard to believe if she wanted him out of the picture or to step down she could have easily gone public years ago the timing is super crazy and that is just a fact .
Her father probably kept her from doing so. Now, he’s probably too old, well in his 80s to influence her decisions…. So now she’s ready and free for revenge…
She was in need of USD 50,000 lately, and she couldn't get it from Robert.
You and the rest of these idiots don't know her motives. What we do know is she is telling the truth and has tried to get this out many times before now.
@@mrnice111
“What we do know is that she is telling the truth”??? Scripture please!!!
You are exactly right, 35 years ago and suddenly its a plot for money and I've seen this in ministry for over 46 years. Her father didn't believe her neither because The Morris's and her family were very good friends. This man's life is ruined , I'm praying for Robert and Debbie Morris and their families. This woman's accusing has made me sick to my stomach
Why didn’t the father call the police?
Or punch him in the face!
exactly something is not right with this story
Someone tell Pastor Robert Morris, that despite everything that is happening, am so grateful for his life and he preached Jesus and Jesus Crucified and am a changed being because of his preaching. His preaching has carried me through the toughest of times. May God carry you through the storm!!! I will be praying for you. My work is to Pray and leave God to Judge.
God is judging him now. That's why it's being exposed.
I still think there is far more to this story and so many unanswered questions
Absolutely!
@@stevebeasley5181 another pastor at gateway has been exposed for being an immoral pig so you arrive there is more
Would like to hear from her parents
Me too!! I don’t understand why they didn’t take action. My mother stood up for me when I told her that her cousin’s husband tried to kiss me. She handled it immediately!!
@@CynthiaX-cs5eyexactly why is she coming forward now something smells fishy here
@@pattiY-3 Her parents don't actually owe you an answer
@@mrnice111 No one owes me an answer, but she was 12 yrs. old & her parents had legal authority to prosecute.
I know how she feels...I am 68 but it was a family member. I forgave but carried the shame, guilt and low self esteem. I was not in church and neither was my family.
I’m so sorry for what you went through.🙏
I’m so sorry for you. May God bring healing to your heart and mind.
@@helenadeering4276 I hear you. Can mess a person up in deep ways. The shame is the pits. 65 now and realized how much it messed me up. I understand how she could not deal with it before. Proud of her for taking a stand.
So sorry to hear that… blessings to you. I pray for Jehovah Shalom to grant you peace and comfort🙏🏾
“Accuser”? How about victim? The term “accuser” suggests this victim is being less than truthful, which is a troubling implication since she has absolutely no legal recourse at her disposal (her words in other videos).
YOU ARE SO VERY RIGHT, GOD FOR GIVES IF NOT WE ARE ALL IN TROUBLE, TO EVEN BROADCAST THIS WAS VERY WRONG
Well said. She is NOT an accuser, she is a victim!
So true 💯
In a court of law, she is an accuser
@@dianacarr5515 He never got turned over to the law, though.
If Robert Morris repented for this sin years ago and have not fallen back into this specific sin then why is his repentance not good enough for the Christian? The same God that forgave and continually forgives our sin is the same God who forgave RM. This lady Cindy, said in a previous interview that RM "will do it again." How does she know? She's not God. If we confess out sins God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness, according to the Bible. Though I am sad about what happened to Cindy, I'm confused as a Christian, by her angle and intentions.
He lied about her at her age. She was not a young lady. 12 is a girl. He still lied to the church.
He knew if it had gotten out YEARS ago, he would've lost all credibility. He never truly repented or he would've found a different ministry that didn't involve children...being a pastor puts them around children.
@@brendajones5989 I already know this. If God's word is final authority and He removes our sin then why are you and others continually gossiping and bringing this up? Move on with your lives, there's much work to be done.
I think she's just tired of him strutting around like a peacock and having people (esp. women) fawn over him like he's something great when he's just a pig. Did that help?
YOU ARE RIGHT ON
She was victim shamed and blamed. Roberts wife even phoned her & accused her. Robert accused her of being promiscuous . Such suffereing & scarring of a young child.
He's a bully that gets off on overpowering the little people.
Something does not add up in this whole scenario. There is more that meets the eye. Why is she on all the interviews etc.
She’s here so people don’t remain clueless and help be part of the solution. You might go read up on Gateway church and how their leadership has been hiding molestation.
$$$$$$
????? I don't know where you're coming from.
Because the very short in morals pastor of Gateway church, and his like-minded friends wouldn't practice what Jesus and the Bible preach.
So it's now up to a woman to do the man's job. They let it happen and I don't think the Father will ever allow those lawbreakers and lovers of sin back into the church.
@@ca-fl5he....well I know where they are coming from. This is only a Gateway problem because of Morris. This was a Shady Grove elders and her dad who brokered this silence deal. Have you ever been 16 years old? Have you ever been 14 years old?
I remember in my family home when my father's friend walked into our kitchen and was flirting with me and I was 16. It creeped me out ....that was 1986. I was the only one home and I had babysat his girls before. The only guys I had interest in were in my class. I was well aware of the inappropriate behavior he was displaying.
We had 3 interim teachers at our school, fresh out of teacher's college. Two women and one guy (23) and some of the school girls were crushing on him badly. They would write smutty Harlequin letters about scenarios with him.
I was 11 when my Grandfather tried to lay on me when I was sick and he had sent my brother and cousin to the arcade....and I freaked out with full strength and ran away.
When someone says there is more to this, guess what?, they might know a little something from experience.
I am so happy God held her close and she did not leave her faith because of her abuse.
4.5 years of sexual abuse and her parents never suspected a thing. Me thinks there are more people culpable than just the creep Robert Morris. The parents are just as guilty as he is and yet she protects them. Why is no one questioning why they allowed him near their young daughter all those years and never questioned his obsession with her? This story is still missing pieces.
His wife was with him, apparently.
Exactly. In all my comments I've said this too---where in the world was cindys parents all those years that this went on??? Why did Cindy let him keep doing it---up to age 17 or so. That's not a child! I'm sure many are wondering these things too. As a Christian why didn't Cindy and her husband meet with Morris and his wife and confront him about what he did to her when she was younger and keep it between them--- and God--- instead of the whole world???? Just a thought.
So you want more information so you can judge and without the information you assume the worst about this family. Well done.
ROBERT ask Cindy herself for forgiveness. You apologized to her parents I read.
And give her the recompense she wants. God himself can't change what happened over 40 yrs. Ago. He can forgive and Bring good out of this.
Blessed be the Lord.🙏✝️
He should have been placed in jail. He is a predator and only God knows how many other victims he has harmed. I pray all is reveled
If you extend the statute of limitations, it can destroy the lives of innocent people as well. That is a dangerous thing to do. Her parents dropped the ball 37 years ago.
No kidding. Some women lie so the innocent must be protected from them as well.
@@JamesRiddle_Christ_is_King Sounds like his own parents dropped the ball.
He should have been in jail years ago. Only God knows if there are other victims.
Thank you for speaking out about this… I pray for her continued healing and recovery🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Of course money, notarity, AND popularity goes a long way too!!!! Oh did we mention we get to see him shamed now. Way to go Cindy! Revenge is all that mattered to you. Enjoy your well earned 15 mins of fame!
@@SandraLira-gq8oj Appears very much that way!!!
He told them that he had done bad things after he married debbie. He had told it from the pulpit. This is not the unforgivable sin. I too was molested. I know what that feels like but someone that has repented and asked for forgiveness it should be over. This is just another stab from the enemy to knock down the man of God. I do not hold hate or revenge for the men that molested me. Especially not 40 years later. Nothing to be gained here but popularity and money for her story
@@SandraLira-gq8ojWow. Where is your compassion. Also, how do you know he didn't do this to other children who may also need to come forward and heal.
What a sad, callous comment.
Why this victim kept quiet all these years.
See her interview with Allen Parr for your answer
This is NOT atypical w abuse victims! Please get educated!!
Needs money
maybe she thought she enticed him, but in reality she was being abused and used and just wanted to be platonic.
How? The parents were not vigilant NOR his WIFE.
Hebrews 8:12 I will remember their sins no more! If God doesn’t remember them, who are we to remember them! ♥️
?????????
This is r*pe of a CHILD! He should have been reported and spent the past 20 years in jail; not becoming a millionaire by being in the pulpit!
If they repent, they will be forgiven. Robert did not repent. Please read scripture before spreading lies about what it means.
The consequences for his actions despite the fact he repented does not get nullified! He needs to be held accountable by going to jail.
Nevertheless, it's a criminal offence. In the OT, God's people were forgiven by sacrifices, yet sexual sin carried the death penalty as did some others.
Great preaching. Jesus loves all of us, but hates our sin. Thank God Almighty, Jesus will forgives all of us if we repent. His love never fails. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ son of the Almighty Father and giver of the precious Holy Spirit.
Praying for everyone involved. Jesus Your grace and mercy.🙏❤️ It is ONLY BY JESUS BLOOD that we ALL have been made RIGHTEOUS.✝️🌏
Strongly agreed!
Robert Morris is a name that will live in infamy not because he sinned years ago but because he deceived people about it for over 40 years and left the victim with horrible scars, refusing to help her financially when he could.
Yes! Robert wanted to be famous. Now he’s famous for all the wrong reasons!
Not only did you report the news story, but you told us what to do with it. Well done Gordon! Robert Morris will only find peace when he humbles himself and repents.
Exactly, I was asking those questions too, Thank you Jesus Amen 🙏, I pray for the Morris Family In Jesus name 🙏
Thank you ❤
Amen 💓
I personally heard him, during a sermon, watching by TV, and he flat out said that a wonderful family had allowed he, Debbie and their first born son, move in with them while he was a young struggling Pastor. He said he had an inappropriate sexual relationship with this man's daughter. He said he repented...to God, the gracious father who opened up his home to them and to his wife, Debbie. He was talking about God's forgiveness and mercy because he dealt with a spirit of lust. He did not say it was a 12 year old child. He did not say he repented to HER but he did say it took him several years to stop even thinking these immoral thoughts. He said he went to the elders before he spoke in the pulpit about it and got their approval. However he did say the SPIRIT OF JEZABEL could also operate in a MAN. HE, also bought up the story of King David and Bethsheba. He did not say the age of "the girl ", (the child). I, along with other viewers thought the girl was later in teens. He said he was 20 or 21 years old but I'm almost sure he said anoyher thing about this situation but refuse to say ANYTHING I DO NOT REMEMBER him saying POSITIVELY. As I stated, he was preaching on forgiveness by God. I feel so sorry for Cindy, Debbie and the children and families on both sides.
I also had a really "odd" feeling several weeks ago when he spoke on the Fear of the Lord, stating that He learned not to Fear the Lord if he was living righteously and obediently and Walking with the LORD DAILY. Then he said, "Do you know what MY BIGGEST FEAR IS?? MY BIGGEST FEAR IS THAT DEBBIE will leave me!! ? I got the strangest feeling and looking back, perhaps it was the Holy Spirit. There was something when he said that, that made me feel strange ( and yes, suspicious. ) i have stated here ONLY WHAT I HEARD HIM SPEAK FROM THE PULPIT ON TV, WE ITH MY OWN EARS. I'M sure Debbie is undone by what is happening, but she KNEW HOW OLD THE GIRL WAS. SHE WAS LIVING THERE TOO. WERE things brewing several months ago to make Robert say his biggest FEAR was Debbie leaving him?? Can anyone get any insight from this and comment...DID YOU HEAR THESE 2 SERMONS? I KNOW IF YOU ATTEND GATEWAY on a weekly basis, you heard EXACTLY what I heard and WHAT is wrong with my discernment that I didnt pick up on more. I broke my back last year and since v then have been falling and fracturing my feet since then. Please help me to understand why I missed this. I can't wait to heal up and get back in church. Yes, our Pastors are sinner's too, but not millionaires leading huge churches and maybe smaller, intimate circles of prayer, praise and worship would be better for a time such as this. Thank you to anyone who might be able to help me a bit. BLESSINGS.🙏🙏🙏🙏💙🩵💙🩵💙🩵😢😢😊😊😊💞💕💞🤍🤍🤍
Thank you for your comments. Will be praying for you🙏.
It’s good you spoke this! 👍
@davidcruz8057 Thank you for your kindness. I was very afraid but really felt I should share ONLY what I heard him say. I broke my back last year, had a failed titanium surgery and then fractured both feet and after watching many pastors because I couldn't physically go to church, chose him and watched faithfully for 2 years. I appreciate your prayer Brother.💔💔❤️❤️
@@tricillagirl7915 Thank you for confirmation, Sister. It was very hard to do.💔💔❤️❤️
I belei3ve he didn't tell who it was to also protect the family. It was a wicked act. Both he AND the parents wanted get past it.
There was a Gateway Dallas pastor who physically abused a volunteer he was seeing. The pastors covered it up and then removed her. She had to go to the police and he plead out this year. This is still being covered up.
I hope he has repented! She said she didn't want to tarnish the name of God. Please lady there is nothing or no one that can do that.
So rue
She didn't want those on the outside of the church to tarnish God's name. If those on the inside don't correct sin, then those on the outside will shy away.
@@crossstitch1652 So true
@@crossstitch1652 30 YEARS LATER THIS IS CRAZY, LIFE GOES ON
Why wait so long ? What did she hope to accomplish? Very sad all around.
Exposing sin doesn’t make the church or God look badly. Covering up sin does.
So sad 😢😢😢
I started dealing with what happened to me in my 50s. I lost my whole family, not one speaks to me. If I speak about the years of dealing with the aftermath and effects, the response from those who I thought would understand; they rejected it and said just an excuse. Not easy to stand alone with truth.
I think this is very sad.
Who are you to judge if he's repented??
I am a victim of sexual abuse. The fact that your ruining this man's life many, many years later screams unforgiveness to me.
With the same measure every man judges he will so be judged. Only the Lord knows a heart. All Christians jumping on board with the finger pointing should think of their past. I know mines not pretty. Thank you Lord the only judge I will face is you. You are righteous.
So true . And she calls herself a christian. She should forget it and let god handle it. And you'll ride.He is running in a family life. I was.
Molested my whole life almost when I was a child. Even by my own father. I forgive and forgot I love my dad and I have forgiven him with all my heart and soul. And never had one day of cancelling and i've been fine my whole life. Never on drugs alcohol no that stuff.
@@monastrandburgyou’re lying! No way what you’re saying is true. No way. And IF you’re telling the truth a little, everyone’s experience is different!!! Your ignorance is shocking.
Well said!
Oh grow up none of us are perfect. We are human. Are you in your whole life you have never done anything wrong.@@elaneya
What if he’s doing this currently? Like who’s to say he’s not currently doing this to a girl in his church now. That’s the number one reason why she needs to come forward. It would’ve been better if she came forward earlier or if the adults in her life did something, but she could prevent it from happening to another little girl. So saying she needs to forget is insane.
This story is troubling on multiple levels. Although I've experienced sexual assault many years ago, the only way to get past it is forgiveness. This story only presents one side without showing the spiritual journey of both individuals. Cindy's story of revenge will not help her heal. She needs to forgive in order to let go of the pain. I had to learn that lesson myself. Robert said he repented several times in his messages. The body of Christ (the church) should be very careful about playing judge and jury. Robert has a gift of teaching. I don't think an act of revenge helps anyone. I hope Cindy finds the counseling she needs. I found healing when I followed God's direction to forgive.
So many years later, and yet you make HER be the aggressor! She needs healing as an adult from the hurts of her childhood! This is SO WRONG! SHE DID NOTHING WRONG! He is the aggressor and should be repenting and accepting responsibility and the consequences of his actions!
@@Ginger2-8018 If Robert has repented, then why does he continue to lie about this event in sermons? Stating she was a “young lady” and that it was a “moral failure”. No, she was 12 and r-ped.
Matthew 6:14-15 -- If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you, but if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Excerpt from the sermon on the mount)
@@Ginger2-8018 she is obviously bitter, vengeful and vindictive.
Some sins are not forgiven, because they are based on blasphemy against the Spirit. If someone known as a believer is abusive, have nothing to do with him, not even socializing.
The church should have cut him off, and for the safety of the whole community alerted the authorities.
The problem is that this man, who apparently believes in the gifts if the Spirit, does not believe he can overcome temptation even with God's help, something is wrong. I'd be praying till I got an answer for how to keep the person out of the community. Because he has not really repented and seen things from God's perspective. He's not likely to either.
God bless Cindy and her loved ones in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ!✝️🙏❤️
No money can heal a child from that kind of trauma !!
But she deserves to get some kind of restitution.
It takes years of counseling, a close walk with Jesus, but know that He alone can heal the psyche, emotions, heal the broken heart and crushed spirit. Releasing the anger, bitterness, resentment, and any unforgiveness. I know, I am a sexual abuse survivor. And, sometimes deliverance is needed as well. Each situation is different. And, it's so true --- both sexes can be sexually abused. I am thankful that CBN is covering this ---- and actually facing it. It's important to speak truth because when sexual abuse is involved, there's a deep level of deception. She's correct about Robert Morris not speaking truth. It's the same with my abusers. They never said they were sorry. But, I don't have to wait for that. I can be healed and set free without them ever being able to admit the harm they have done.
I was malici years and I never had canceling by every man , even my father. Am I just fine.
@@monastrandburg based on your comments here you are obviously still struggling in every way imaginable. Bless your sweet heart
It doesn’t
Now she is called
THE ACCUSER!
@@bernhardbauer5301 I usually see 'alleged' abuse, etc. They have to say that because he hasn't been tried and convicted. Just legalities. He pretty much admitted it though because of his emails. And that he resigned.
He didnt resign ! They got rid of him . He should be in jail !!
Gordon powerful word 👏.
There should NEVER be statue of limitations on sexual assaults, molestations, traumas,
I made a comment earlier and a person called Cross-stitch commented and I did comment back however I do not see it. Let me explain what I said and why and I still stand by my previous come as to why this lady is just now bringing this up at her age. And before you start jumping the gun on my reasoning you should at least hear me out. I've grown up in church just like her. I suffered from sexual abuse since the same age. Not the same circumstances with it being church but it was definitely by a professing Christian. I was also married 15 yrs to a man that verbally, physically, mentally and psychologically abused me. I'm 58 yo now and I am an overcomer. That's not bragging that's praising God for His kindness, mercy and grace. He gave me early on the ability to forgive others and I am grateful for this. Being in the church it simply doesn't equate in my head, heart, soul or discernment how after all this time... And a child of God... Why forgiveness is not a part of this lady's walk? I didn't say forgetfulness. That's a very hard point to get to. Whether Robert Morris repented to her or the way that she deems appropriate or not. That's on him. Although I think he should. You can't live your life waiting for apologies or repentance or people to get fired for you to get on with your life. I went to therapy as well. It takes years for some people. And yes, even up to 54, as I have been schooled by someone. You would think the community of faith would have helped her. IMO. Did her parents or didn't they basically agree to let it go? That's when the police should have been involved. That's when the church couldn't have swept it under the rug. That's when a bitter yet healing explosion could have begun. EVERYONE swept it under the rug. Families of faith what have you done?!?! What everyone at that time was doing!!! Fast forward to COVID... I remember when we back at church Robert Morris had a special Repentance show. It was overwhelming positive and highly commendable by a huge audience and so many people repenting. A lot of popular people were there. No one else but God knows whether he repented or not. It would have been the most oppurtune time. At this time bringing this up is only going to bring heartache to All the families involved. If I didn't feel like even more suffering wouldn't come upon her I wouldn't be praying for her now. Every once in a while we should take stock of ourselves and with kindness but firmness remove anything that is destructive, unproductive, and not benefitting to us. Prayfully doing so. Sweeping that all away and trusting God with your life to rule and reign in it. Otherwise I cannot help but hope and pray for her a brighter future but feel remorseful for her lost years and the destruction that has lied and will continue in her wake. Peace and Blessings to All 🙏🙏🙏
John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Jesus is saying "I AM the truth"
It's never too late for the truth to come out. Robert, his wife and the church buried it for many years. Cindy has tried for years to bring the truth to the light. The Bible speaks of the darkness coming to the light in many scriptures. Who are any one of us to block that?
Well said!
John 7:24, "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
@@davidcruz8057 Thank you, David. Even though I have the unpopular opinion it is steadfast. We must speak out when the heinous of any crimes happen and hopefully then they may be corrected. I know myself for not speaking to anyone at all about my husband until he actually held a gun on me outside of our house. But everyone already knew and of course our daughter witnessed it all. Had I stopped it when it began she wouldn't have suffered growing up and is just now getting better. So I know this well. But let the others tear into me all they want because with all I went through I see way more than sympathy. May the God of All Glory overrun you with His glorious Joy, Peace and Blessings all the days of your life and that of your family. In the Mighty the Powerful and the Holy name of Jesus Amen 🙏🙏🙏
The world does not like the truth, remember when the Lord invited that jerk that he was competing when they were supposed to be friends. Jealousy needs to be cured. The win lose scene is. What if there was a game people vs predator? who would win. Ha ha Ha?
@@annanderson1470 What if the person spoke out repeatedly but no one did anything? The family forgave but their was a condition that Robert would leave the ministry.
This was the arrangement in lieu of his being charged and jailed. They tried for years to enforce the agreement that was made. Cindy is adamant her father and the family did not bless him in a return to ministry. Just because it took time to become public, doesn't mean nothing was happening during all this time. It's such a slap to her that people ask "why didn't she speak up sooner?"
Gordon wise words. Much needed and appreciated. God Bless you.
Well said, Mr. Robertson. There has been much judgement and little forgiveness and discernment in this story. May BOTH Ms Clemensen and Mr. Morris find the healing and spiritual reconstruction they need. May God work all things together for good in this.
Strongly agreed!
Well said! Amen!
Amen!
Best comment ❤
If you were Cindy or if she was your relative/friend, I’m sure your opinion would be different
He “coasted” along for many years under the guise of an affair with a “young lady”. He may of repented for his 5 years of abuse against Cindy BUT what about the lying by omission for all these years???
As a Daddy of 3 daughters i commend you for your boldness and courage to come forth! I pray that you continue to help other people going through the same. God Bless you Cindy! I pray that Robert will genuinely repent and seek the Lord.
What's even more creepy - he referred to her as a "young lady." My god, man, she was 12....
Calling young girls 'young lady' has been done forever as just a simple form of address.
Thank you for sharing this CBN.
I don’t understand why the abused keep going on for 4 years ? Why she did not go to the police ? So many questions to be answer
She liked it the garden tool
She was a child if you do some research a lot of children do not come forward until well into adulthood about abuse.
9 times out of 10, the child is accused of making the perp go astray. Or they try to work it out so the church doesn't loose members...when members leave, so does the $$$.
Brainwashing the victim
Trauma and fear keep you from being able to speak.
He needs to be charged and prosecuted for this! What a disgusting man!
Of course that's awful what happened to her many years ago, but as she said its pass the statue of limitations, so then what is her objective here? Is it just to shame RM and stop him ftom preaching the gospel anymore? At this point wouldn't it have been better for all parties involved come together since they all claim to be Christians, and seek the Lord on how to now move forward? Isn't this what Jesus said we as believers should do? Lastly, Gordon should stop with the judgmental, high and mighty attitude. He's quoting the old testament law. We are now under a new testament, grace. Of course not saying sin is ok, so don't try to twist what I'm saying. Everyone should seek the Lord for themselves on this matter and not just listen to other people.❤
I Agree with you!!!!!!!
There might be statue of limitation but the limitation is for one thing you could have had an attorney address him on a matter that happened at the Statue no longer requires and that you would like to have a moment to let him know how it affected you even though time is going on and you could have done so many things okay I mean I remember one time somebody bothered me so bad about something I sent them 50 letters to their house and a giant postcard giant like about what was it 3 ft tall riding on there we need to talk because what you did is really wrong with that last postcard we talked okay because it's right out in front of their door with a nice postcard on the back of small words we need to talk and there's ways you can do things but you didn't you wanted this attention for is it political I mean come on you want to sue the man and get some money I'm not on his side but I'm not on yours now either okay you handled it all wrong Missy all wrong all the way
If you had a Bible you could read the New Testament, which said judgement begins in the house of God. Of course, this is him being thrown out to the community at large.
The New Testament also says that every authority has been put in place by God, including the government. Cindy is abiding by the government law which says she is entitled to restitution. She is also reporting a sexual predator. These are not bad laws. She never tried to put him in jail.
But Robert believes in the Old Testament, he believes in tithing to the point where he has said if you don't tithe, that's demonic.
He sure does care about money, but not about children, or younger church leaders. He lied and lied till his sins found him out.
Ridiculous patronizing statement. There should never be a Statue of Limitations on this type of crime. The Law needs to be changed in that State as other States don't have a Limitations on molestation and pedophilia. Would you want to ever come together with someone who molested you? I THINK NOT! You can forgive people but that does not mean you have to associate with them.
@@kay7266 Don't expect someone to act better than the pastor after he messed up her life.
Oh...SHAME ON ROBERT MORRIS!!!!! EXPLAIN TO ME JUST HOW HE WAS ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE PULPIT! ABSOLUTELY NO REPENTANCE SHOWN HERE!
Read the comments on Gateway videos and you'll see that many of the women at gateway fawn over him and would welcome him back today. They are eager to blame Clemishire for this.
@@mrnice111 THAT ABSOLUTELY MEANS NOTHING! ITS ON THE CHURCH LEADERSHIP IF THEY TRULY WERE MADE AWARE.....PERIOD
Who are you to shame on anyone?! Will you say shame on Moses, shame on King David, Shame on Rahab too and others who came before and yet committed acts (adultery, murder and prostitution)? Yet, the Lord God used them. Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man is [a]overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.
Either those in the church know and want to keep it quit else they loose $$$$, or they keep it within the church and work it out which is what Ronnie Floyd wanted to do and got called out on that issue. It doesn't always get worked out...9 times out of 10, the child/girl gets accused of making the perp go astray and so the perp gets bounced around from church to church.
He was allowed to stay because he brought in a lot of money. Any questions?
Wonder why she didn’t tell earlier.
Did you listen to her story? She told when she turned 17.
@@shelleybuerer4502 I said I wondered why didn’t tell sooner.
Please see her interview with Allen Parr for your answer. She gives her full story.
SHE: never HONEST. just greedy
@@donnapierce4801 are you aware that RM is worth 117 millions dollars. Paying restitution is biblical. When you get a speeding ticket you’re fined for breaking the law. Greed is what keeps Gateway church and RM wealthy because of ignorance.
I’m baffled by how many Christian’s are condemning the victim.
Perhaps they're just religious morons who don't actually know anything at all
True... Someone who is a VICTIM doesn't share their secret! Im surprised that she didn't commit suicide in her young years!
True... They blame her for his shame!
Pastor, thank you for those words of encouragement and truth you spoke!
I’m sorry but 35 years later has no other purpose other than harm.
amen!
Respectfully. Listen carefully she has told people over 35 years what has happened and went to churches where Robert served or preached. She’s not taking Mr Morris to court. She knows it’s been a long time. This will help young tweens and hopefully even smaller children will be able to tell. And unfortunately for parents are to talk to children in the way they understand what inappropriate touching is wrong.
@@starfernandez314 She has retained Billy Graham's grandson as an attorney so please - she is out for $$$$.
she's hateful, vengeful and vindictive.
@@jenniewebb374 I agree with you because RM is NOW famous and is rich, she is after blood and money no doubt. Although, RM should pay her restitution pain, suffering, and for her counseling expenses. This should have been settled very shortly after the incidents happened. Now, this is making her look greedy. If this does help other victims and survivors, then it will be a good thing to happen.
Sad no one did anything and allowed him back. I definitely believe in forgiveness but he was secretly doing this while in ministry so I can’t imagine why he did this. Your married you have a leadership role and why put yourself in this kind of situation and why hurt your friends child? He definitely needed to step out of ministry and this was an immediate dismissal doing that. It’s basically rape to.
@@LALady1 Basically r-pe! There is no basically to it. He did r-pe her! Robert Morris is a pedophile.
Amen to your epilogue.
So very glad she kept her faith and trust and connection with God. She must have a strong family and support.
Abuse is wrong and shouldn't be hidden. Did he think it would just go away????? SHAME ON HIM!
He's so good at persuading people to whatever garbage idea he has that he's been able to go this long. Now. Many of the women at gateway who fawn over him are upset with the victim for bringing this up.
It's a good thing this came out. One more mega church exposed as a sham run by greedy wolves.
You don't believe in forgiveness.
no, she does not
I understand this….This was a mistake that he made was 42 years ago, so he had to come out of the pulpit! He is a sinner just like everyone is…so no one should work bc they made a mistake? This is a bit much! I was also abused as a young person and that person was in my church as a parishioner. He has been dead, for 15 years & never was called down for it. I just know how it feels!
Always remember we all sin...you have to pray for redemption...and sin no more...Only God us Perfect...only God Can Save you ...go to him Be Washed in the Blood of the Lamb....
Amen!
God forgives sin, but the consequences from that sin, are still there.
All true. All sin. If you confess and repent God will forgive you. Do you think Pastor Morris confessed, truly? He lied about the sin for over 40 years, misleading people very close to him. That is not true confession and repentance. Also, although sin can be forgiven, it doesn't meant that one who sins as a pastor should remain as a pastor.
Get over it lady. Your got your "15" minutes of fame.
she wants much more than that.
Statute of limitations needs to change
As a SA victim, it was hard but i forgave. I was 12.5 years old when raped. It's crazy because I worked in the hospital and the person that did this to me was dying of liver cancer. God told me that I had to release and forgive him. God placed him in the same hospital on the same floor I worked. I never told anyone because truly ashamed and it did cause me guilt. So I walked in the room and told him that I forgave him for what he did. God placed me in that situation to forgive that man day and to also pray for him. Some of us say we forgive as Christians but can be the biggest stone throwers I've ever seen, sad.
King David would've been stripped from his throne if this un biblical understanding this poor woman has been duped. Thinking of what happens to someone who sins when they're 20 years old and now is 60 or 80 or whatever pastor Morris is ? we need to really use discernment that God has given us in these end times. Unbelievers are just laughing and waiting for this kind of garbage on both sides.
King David was not a priest or pastor. God did not allow him to build the temple, and he felt the repercussions in his family for years. God forgives but the Bible is clear that the shepherds who speak in God's name are judged by a stricter measure.
Ty well said
I'm a believer. I'm also a believer in justice. Non-believers won't be interested in a church or a God that is so unjust. Cindy has forgiven and trusts in God. She has never received restoration from Robert. They only concerned themselves with restoration of the perpetrator all those years ago.
The great man of God Morris has lied about this event for his entire adult life. He is not a king so those comparisons are nonsense.
We help other people by leading them to Christ, not to the judicial system. I was molested as a teen somebody led me to Christ and that helped me to say no more to that perpetrator it set me free. And eventually, I could forgive that person and now I truly was set free and that freed them to repent also, I didn't have to go to a judicial system thank God and that's not biblical anyways, so I'm praying for this woman that she will not lead people to justice but lead people to Jesus.
You can't give broad brushed advice like that...especially if it's current and/or ongoing. Cindy did the right thing after all those years....call him out within the Body of Christ and get him OUT of the pulpit. He knew he'd done wrong years ago, but kept 'preaching..aka 'a hireling' in the church(es), but she would've been right to call the police when she was 12, too. NOT every abuser repents. The judicial system in the old and new testament were the leaders in a city...hmmm stoning comes to mind for adultery, rebellion, etc.
Well said.
I don't understand this. When a fellow brother is in peril, their Christian brothers just abandoned him. No council, no words of encouragement; just complete excommunication, this is not the way how Jesus would handle any situation. Jesus taught us to have mercy towards each other and forgiveness.
Amen! Well said!
Lately, Gateway has been influenced by the world, not Word.
@@bardanlimboo4670
I Promise, not to argue and won’t answer unless you ask a questions. But could you give me an example that proves your statement?
Publicly he confessed his wrong doings.
Who? Robert didn't. He confessed to "multiple multiple affairs" in his sermons. Affairs indicates consensual with a woman.
He confessed as much as he absolutely had to, and fool the public and church members. He did not have Godly sorrow and repentance or his ains would never have found him out.
@@willterrell2862Those crucial details were none of your business!
@@lizh1988Just because you claim to not have seen it doesn't mean he didn't have godly sorrow and true repentance for his sin. You are not the judge!
@@ladiuneeq9789 Judgement begins in the house of God. If someone who is known as a believer is abusive, have nothing to do with that person. But expose the works of darkness.
Not condoning sin, however I find it hard to understand why this woman waited 50 yrs to come forward, especially since she claims to have been a Christian the whole time and knew of Robert Morris ministry?
It wasn't 50 years. 35 from what I understand.
Read other comments to get some light shed on possibilities for that.
It's clear people haven't a clue, or they would understand, it's as simple as That.
She has come forward many times. This is just the first time she has been heard. So ask why wasn't she heard before now?
God is so good.Amen❤
Still can understand how you can claim you are a believer
amen!!!!!!
Good day, from Southern California. 🌴 🌞 ⛱ ❤
"And does what is lawful and right". Robert has yet to make any restitution to Cindy. None of his dubious "restoration" included her! She wasn't asking much when she wanted her ongoing therapy paid for.
In arrogance, he and his wife not only denied her but once again threatened her with prosecution. Reestablishing his control over her.
He has yet to "man up" by at least making good on the financial damage he caused her. This loose end continues to tie them together and must be resolved to advance the healing of them both.
Agreed.
He obviously never repented, just regrets having problems from it.
Who in their right mind would want money from their abuser? I would want your prosecution, not your money. That's fishy to me. If therapy isn't working what can money do in its place? This is the USA. Insurance will pay for it. I'm not buying that she needed money to pay for ongoing therapy.
@@ladiuneeq9789 He profited from her story. He told it several times from the pulpit saying it was a young lady. Leaving out that she was a twelve year old girl. The statute of limitations ran out for criminal convictions. There’s also the fact many abusers are repeat abusers and more women will come forward now they see someone else has. Actions have consequences.
@@willterrell2862 "He profited from her story" .... See, this is why most of you need therapy. Your thought process is unhinged!
They do not have the truth from Robert Morris. This has another side of the story. I believe the story has not been told from this lady.
While Morris may be guilty the timing of this does not sit right at all. I think there is something amiss
Definitely something amiss. She has come forward many times but this is the first time she's been heard. Why is that?
I just don’t get it. Why would she allow this to go on for 5 years??? Just because he told her not to tell? Makes no logic.
agree she's not as naive as she wants others to believe.
Those 12 year old girls are devious.
In the 1980's most churches didn't have protocols set up for pastors to know how to handle these situations. It wasn't until 1990 when we began to pastor in another denomination that we were given protocols. We weren't to deal with it inhouse, but immediately call the authorities. We also were to have anyone involved in ministry...pastors, Sunday scool teachers, nursery workers given a background check.
Our first denomination was based in the midwest where they weren't dealing with SA as much, but our 2nd denomination was centered in CA where they were, I think❤❤❤
Thank you for talking about this…
You did the right thing. Please don't regret it.😢 He shouldn't have been in the pulpit.
All atonement and forgiveness is found in the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made on the cross for our sins.
That does not mean there aren't legal and social and professional consequences for sins.
If she has been telling people about this her whole adult life, why is it being made a public ordeal now? Why do people wait until someone is wealthy to sue? She should have done this long before now, especially if she has been telling people for many years.
She has tried to do it before. Try to keep up. You're way underestimating what a good lying manipulator Morris is.
@@punkinpie1196 She contacted Robert in 2005, almost 20 years ago, and asked if he would reimburse her for the cost of therapy she had paid for. She would have been 34 years old at that point. She didn’t wait until he was wealthy. He has not paid her a single dime for all her pain and suffering.
And she told many in Christian Leadership over the years and no one wanted to hear it or act on it. How sad is that.
Praise God she has come forth at this time! She is such an inspiration to so many that have been molested by preachers they and their family trusted. But I sincerely hope she sues him for millions!! Do you know that he molested her 100x!
Are you sure you are a Christian, because with your judgement of her, you could have fooled me.
Very sad , Proverbs 19:11 this was 35 years ago! Terrible that she would even bring it out ( he was 20 years old at the time!) Seems malicious and selfish doesn’t set well in my spirit . Proverbs 17:9 He who conceals a transgression seeks love!!!
She’s wanting $$ her real estate business is not doing well she found the opportunity
Luke8:17
“For all that is in-secret, will eventually be brought out into the open, and everything that is concealed ,
will be brought to the light, and made known to all”
Proverbs 28:13 whoever conceals, his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
It is so confusing to me why you Christians are so venomous with your mouth and your words towards this victim, who was a child when it happened .
Where is your anger towards Pastor Morris ? who, still to this day ,cannot confess with his mouth that he molested a CHILD for 4 yrs .
While a pastor ,while married,with a small child.
Where is your hostility towards that foulness! Even prisoners have a moral compass against men like that ,it’s a shame when believers don’t seem to🤯
@@arod1pilot What a sick comment. She was offered money but she would not sign an NDA. Numbers 32:23 Be sure your sin will find your out.
@arod1pilot not possible. Financially can't have any money come her way due to the period of time since the crime has committed.
Mine either - the woman is vengeful and vindictive.
Oh! Thank you so much. I cannot express how much it means to hear these words in a broadcast like this. Growing up with a strong faith in God (and love to my parents) while incest happening also. It is like a shadow of a hope I never even dared to dream comming true. Thank you.
This hurts so much. God forgives. Thank you so much Gordon for the Ezekiel verses. I will walk in a new reverence for my salvation because of your word on this heartbreaking matter.
Remind Robert Morris of the good he has done and people who came to Jesus Christ because of him also
Maybe we should also remind Robert of the childhood he destroyed. He sentenced Cindy to a life of emotional pain, shame and fear. Not to mention criticism and contempt from some in the Christian community even now.
@@KansasMiss-mf4bjHe had every opportunity to make amends. He was too prideful and greedy. I can't feel sorry for him or his deceitful church that buried this. Shame on his defenders! Shame on his "Pastor" wife who helped him further victimize Cindy.
This is God’s justice.
I know He helped me and I wouldn't be alive now if it wasn't for Jesus
Why is this coming out now? Where were her parents? He did go for counselling. He had a big church for 30 yeara.
Because she was in need of money recently. She asked for 50,000 USD, and since she failed to receive that, she attacked. It wasn't about abuse itself, it was all about money.
As far as i have heard, there was sexual abuse, but not sexual intercourse. It wasn't that hurtful as she and the media exaggerated, i guess.
So bad she had to go through all this almost alone.
Too bad the parents and leadership didn't fully take up the matter and work out Justice, Healing & Forgiveness.
Too too bad that it has to come out at this time meaning she hasn't fully healed and now the Church & God's Name she was trying to PROTECT is marred badly. The Testimony & the People Robert has impacted now is greatly impacted in the negative...
I wish as the BODY OF JESUS CHRIST we find a way of Confronting our issues in Time & Bible way that both the victim & offender who share the SAME FATHER - GOD can find Wholeness, Mercy & Healing!
SHALOM
great comment and I agree!
This is so sad
He confessed his sins to Jesus and he was forgiven. 1John 1:9
That's not what the Bible says. It says to go to your brother and ask forgiveness first. He did not repent. True repentance leads to reconciliation, which Robert and Cindy do not have.
"If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector." Matthew 18:15-17
“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift." Matthew 5:23-24
AND NOW THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE THAT GOD REQUIRES FROM THE GOVT SHOULD LEGALLY TAKE HIS LIFE, AS THE LAW OF GOD REQUIRES.
So beautiful, Gordon. The world of God is truly lamp to our feet
He needs to be arrested for this. He has caused her a lot of pain. A grandfather a Baptist deacon sexually abused my children and i didn't find out until years later when they admitted this to me in family therapy. I was devasted but have been recovering from therapy and God's love. The children are the victims. I pray for them all the time because of this.
Okay, but didn't morris "turn from his sin" 35 years ago?
yes
HAHAHAHA
No, because he kept lying about it
Was that cause he stopped?
@user-un3be8uu7v I don't know. Does anybody stop sinning?? An alcoholic, a theif, a fornication...etc. if there IS an actual place where people change or "stop", a true thing called conversion ...if that is true for all of us...why can't it be true for him. Has there been any evidence of continued behaviour since? Ijs
Do you all understand that they did not have sexual intercourse? She had heavy petting with him. YES, its unexcusable given the ages. But again after seeing her interview with Allen Paar, things came out that have to question this woman's accountability. What is it that she wants, you must ask yourself that. And I will not answer anymore replies. This in itself should have not directed the course of her life. We should all at some point take stock of our lives and with kindness but firmness remove all that is unproductive, unhelpful and not worthy. Sweeping it all away and lifting it up to our Father. Letting Him resign and reign in you. Leaving nothing behind. He is who washes us clean and births forgiveness in us. True forgiveness in us not wanting nothing from no man other than to live in peace and harmony in their own lives. This is my third comment so I will not be responding to anymore that try to get me to understand anything other than what I already do. If she had kept this to herself all these years it would be another story. But she didn't. And she did ask for 2 million at one time from him. She admitted it. She said she was throwing a number out there because of all the therapy she had and will need. Let me remind you that it's called righteous judgement in the bible. And not "" feelings judgement " . Ask God, who answers His children.. which judgement your's is falling under. He is faithful and will show you. Peace and Blessings 🙏🙏🙏
The word “occult” means to “coverup” or”conceal”
When this happens in the church ,it’s straight up witchcraft.
Jesus Never tells us to handle sin this way…..bring it into the light.
Praying for real redemption and restoration
for all those involved 🙏❤️🩹🕊️
Forgiven and forgotten already brought to the light after that cast far as the east to the west.,
Change the title please it’s disgusting! Say Robert Morris’s victim.
Why are you siding with the predator?
They're appealing to shallow prosperity Christians whose religion is just religion in the eyes of the accuser. It's this kind of Christian who smears the name of God.
I'm not sure if talking about someone who mistreated her 40 years ago in public over and over will help Cindy heal. I was wondering if she would do the same thing if pastor Robert Morris were poor and normal person.
Her actions have led people to reject Robert's teachings, which have been a blessings to many. And she goes on to harm the church, his family, and all of the staff there. If her parents knew about it and did not act the way she did now, I can tell something that is missing from her story.
Cindy is not revealing the truth to build herself or others; instead, she uses her side story to get money and destroy the Church.
Please Christians wake up , If we call ourselves Christians, we must act like Christ.
The Bible is replete of stories of individuals who began weak, sinful, and had a poor past, but God used them.Paul, Peter, Mary Magdalene, Zacchaeus, and so many others.
Why now disqualified Pastor Robert for God's grace to use him and continue uses him?
There is clear verse how we should treat each other in this case.
1 Corinthians 6:7 NIV
The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated?
Amen!
@@davidcruz8057 also amen!
Robert Morris should be disqualified. I would never listen to anything he had to say.
You are sick and twisted
The church failed hiding the sin instead of bringing to light
So sad 😞 it’s a crime
The church has to take a stand !
They stand for maintaining their image and their revenue stream.
Old enough to have stopped this!
No kidding. Any 12 year old would have stopped if they didn't like it. Your insight into the social and psychological dynamics involved here is unsurpassed.
@@SandraRowinsky At 12, she could have stopped at 6’5” man from molesting her!
Another “Pretend Christian”, blaming the victim. Shame on you!
Everyone needs to review Jimmy Swaggerts sobbing performance where he says he has sinned so they are ready for what Morris will do one of these days.
@@mrnice111 Yep! He will soon go on his “I Have Sinned Apology Tour” with all the requisite crying and sobbing. Stealing a page out of Jimmy Swaggert’s book.
This is just so sad. The problem with concealing these is, it’s difficult for such leaders to call each other out.
God is still on the throne. He knew this will come out, He knows how to deal with it.
Cindy, you’re in our prayers.