@@Valhallonex congratulations! Might I suggest skipping transmissions and going after brakes and suspension first. Reason being, you’ll encounter more under car work than trans work. (Plus they’re easier)
That is just a crazy rubbish design, especially given how easy it would be to add an little access hatch to the front of that box or make the sensor screw in.
I’ve have been watching you for a couple months and you have proven to be a complete technician. Along with all your diagnostic talent, mechanical adeptness, you narrate and film each procedure so thoroughly and add a sense of humor. Your channel makes one realize how complex today’s cars are. Let me add that I am 73 years old and know how straight forward working on your own car used to be. Because of you, I no longer go screaming into the night when I receive a repair estimate larger than my first house cost. I now hold good techs with the same esteem as I do a good doctor.
@@jamesoberg8809 I didn't find that it appears easy at all. More like complex to the maximum. The people who designed the beast should be TOBAS (Taken Out Back And Shot) as a friend of mine who's a Dr in California would put it. Ray IS an amazing technician.
I really almost lost it when you played helicopter with the magnetic wand.... and played.... and played. As you said, it is your choice for making your day. It seems you are a master of your sanity.
Every time I watch this channel, I marvel at how nothing is ever lost. Bolts and nuts and things are just set down wherever is convenient. He comes back an hour later, "Where's the nut? There it is." And puts it all back together without anything missing. When I take apart a laptop, I need a grid to set screws down in and in a certain order so I know where they need to go when I reassemble it. I take great care and I _still_ sometimes end up with missing or extra screws. I wish I knew the secret.
Part of it is experience. It looks to US like the bolts and parts are just put wherever is convenient, but Ray has a system that probably makes sense to him alone, that works.
I would attempt almost any repair in my driveway except for Trans, clutch, engine removal as long as there is a video of it to back me up......add a dash removal to that......I even had a hard time just watching this.....respects to anyone who has to do this for a living...
Ray, seriously, you ARE the man! There is zero possibility I could or would ever attempt to do that tear down....let alone ever get it all back together again. This is a video for your resume, for the rest of your career. Outstanding! p.s. Love the magnet propeller! LOL. In my early career days, I fixed radios and radars. Then mainframe shipboard stuff. I appreciate a great tech. Hats off to you. Its pretty bad when you do a better job then likely the dealer that took it apart before you that lost screws.
Agreed it is a huge job. I changed just a heater core in a 79 camaro and had to pull the passenger side fender off to get to it. Thats back when cars were much easier to work on. For a job like this you better not need your car for 3-4 days and you better have tons of patience.
On top of all the other labor required to remove and reinstall the dashboard, Ray also has to transfer 90% of the stuff from the old evaporator assembly to the new one. It seems Ford expressly designed this entire setup with the goal of absolutely exploding the labor bill. I'm surprised they didn't figure out a way to require removal and replacement of the engine as well. Shame on you, Ford.
As the manufacturer, Ford doesn't care about the labour because they don't make any of that money. On the other hand they make a killing on part sales!!! The reason they sell you the whole unit instead of just the sensor is because they know the sensor will fail and can't be changed easily so instead they will sell you the whole HVAC box for 10 times as much money.
Chevy does the same crap. To replace the heater core in an '06 equinox is a 7 hour job. The entire dash has to be has to be removed, all the way to the firewall..
I have a 2003 BA series Ford Falcon XR8. The HVAC blend door is a known fault: weak hinge/shaft, which breaks - rendering the heater inoperable. A dash out job to replace it. Mine hasn't done this yet, but it will most likely happen. There are available a stronger aftermarket replacement.
I'm not surprised just disgusted. If engineers had to actually work on repairing their designs- especially after the vehicle has as few as 10k miles on it- they'd find a way to improve things.
As a 10 year old kid in the 70s I hung out at a junkyard next to my house. The owner let me get parts for clients. I removed a few dashes so when I grew up and needed to replace a heater core I thought no problem. I soon learned pulling parts is easy but putting it back together is much more difficult. Nice work.
You’re a very patient man, I would have had a few bolts and nuts rattling around after I dropped them and failed to retrieve them. I would have broken a lot of clips as well.
In addition to ending up with "spare parts" I would almost certainly miss one or more connectors and end up having to tear that dash out again at least once, probably twice or more as some of the wiring or a connector would get damaged, before everything worked.
I have to say you truly deserve an award of some sort for this job. I could see getting it apart and quitting, leaving it apart like the scarecrow in wizard of oz. I am totally amazed. Back in the day I used to install the old two-way radio systems in cars and truck. Giant boat anchor units in the trunk and big fat cables under and behind everything to the front dash area and control heads, speakers and mics. Then heavy power wires on to the battery. On occasion someone with a brand new car or assigned company car would see their car in pieces either in a parking lot or later when I had an install bay, strewn around the floor and they would freak out. I always managed to get it back together.
I had to change a heater core on my old 1978 F-150 back in the day, what a breeze. Took me about 2 hours real time. Give me the "old" days. I currently drive a 2003 S-10, extended cab. More room than you have. You sir have an amazing ability to keep your cool. Good job.
I had to change the heater core in my ‘64 Pontiac Grand Prix - 20 mins. It took so long because I had never done anything like that before and had almost no tools, never mind motorized ones (they didn’t exist back then!). AC was a luxury we did not have and could not afford anyway; not sure it was even an available option. What a change since then.
Once again I Salute your Patience and your Expertise, you make Hard Jobs Look Easy, this Dash Removal with all the other Components to Repair this Job was Simply Amazing--not many Mechanics would Tackle this Job....
I do fleet maintenance on buses.But this is why I have the up most respect for CAR mechanics.You're a special breed.The general public has NO IDEA what you guys go through to fix they're damn cars!
I'm having that issue after Takata air bag replacement at the subaru dealership. Have not been able to locate source driving me nuts. Bought a boriscope to check between inside windshield and dash. Still no go 2006 subie sti
When you dropped the bolt I was wanting to tell you about the piece of paper towel trick to hold a bolt in a socket when trying to install one in the down position but a minute later I found out you already knew that,it has worked many times for me,and now realize many times for you also!Good Job Ray!
Just about to comment the very same thing. That heater core LOOKED fine, and probably is for now, but it's so much work, and cost if not a DIY job, it's more for peace of mind to just put in a new one, perhaps try sell the old one, or just chuck it 👍
Especially at 10hrs labor in a shop with a 1000 dollar evap core..whats another 300 in parts maybe.. I would've been adamant any wearable components need replaced. I've turned down jobs like this because I don't want them mad at me 9 months later.
@@Boga217 Don't blame you, but sometimes a customer may have been informed but only focuses on the $300 or so savings, until 6 months later and he's driving back to the garage wearing a pair of wellington boots to keep his feet dry 🤣👍
Agreed! Not only the heater core, but everything else that could possibly wear! Heater cores really don't cost a lot. It's the labor involved jerking out that dash! Good call @ttgk!
He has 200,000 plus watching him. That's incentive to behave. If he actually acted that way I'm sure he will lose viewers, which means money and lose this job.
So glad I found this video. I have a project I want to do that will probably require have swapping the dash wiring harness. I’ve had my dash apart several times before, but never out. These two videos are the most in depth I’ve found on removing an F-150 dash. Thank you.
That looked like the most complicated sensor change out possible. Removing the entire dash and passenger seat to get a sensor? Someone at Ford definitely needs firing.
Outstanding, Ray! Well done! Thank you for recording this. Your knack for knowing which fasteners go where and the correct order of reassembly is amazing. It sure is a shame that Ferd makes a customer buy all of that assembly when only the temperature sensor is faulty. May the rest of the truck last a long time and provide many years of trouble free service.
I've done a few dashboards in my time, I always amazed people as to how I could remember how it goes back together, but it's better watching you do it.
I appreciate your skills. You're one of a kind Ray. You are a true dedicated mechanic. Your abilites do not go unnoticed. You have the ability to focus, improvise, and use ingenuity to solve problems under pressure. On the other hand the people at Ford that designed this system should be given a trial date. The court should watch this video and pass sentence to the designers. Life without parole.
You were so close to fixing it quickly and saving the customer a lot of money!! There are different kinds of signals that temp sensors send out. 1-5V or 4-20ma are the two most common. 99 percent of temp sensors put out those two signals. There are volt meters that simulate those signals! You could have cut the wires to the old sensors, hooked up one of those volt meters and tried putting out 4.5 V onto the return wires while having the diagnostic tool hooked up and see what the correct range for temperature was. For example, if you put out 3V and the temperature reading was 60 degrees, and then you put out 4.5V and the temp reading was 130 degrees you would have your slope/scale. every 1.5V equals 70 degrees etc. Then you just keep adjusting the voltage until you find the high range and low range. Then you buy a simple temp sensor that has the matching signal output online and voila, you could have fixed that by just prying it open which was genius! I hope you see this, you can add this skill to your repertoire!
And to add to this, the temp sensors that send out a voltage signal are usually 3 wires. Power, return, and signal. Temp sensors that send the signal as a current are 2 wire only. Power goes through the temp sensor, the resistance of the temp sensor is directly proportional to the temperature the temp sensor is experiencing, which will proportionally affect how much current is returned. So the computer/module just always sends out 20ma or so and then it knows the temperature of the evaporator core by how much current is returning on the negative/return wire.
And to add further, to identify which wire is which is also easy. You can use your voltage light tool. For a 2-wire current signal the Side that lights up is the positive side. The other wire is the return side/signal side. On the 3-wire voltage signal sensors, you can find the voltage supply with the voltage light tool. The return/chassis ground line will beep to confirm continuity with a chassis ground. The third wire is your voltage signal.
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair." - Douglas Adams
Great videos rae for the life of me I don't know you knew where everything went back, if that was me I would have a pail full of bits and bobs left, keep them coming rae. 👍👍👍
I can't even imagine the headache this reinstall would be with that much electronics without the color/shape coded connectors! - I helped install a stereo in a friend's 1970's car (a Datsun?) in the early 1980's and we had to do a lot of single-wire guessing and splicing. That was a two-hour job. Putting a stereo in my 1990's vehicle was a dream with an antenna and one multi-connector.
As always a very compacted repair, you make it look easy, I will never partake such a complicated endeavor, but very interesting to watch thank you for the journey.
The complexity of modern vehicles never ceases to impress me. I imagine hundreds of thousands of these running through the pre-assembly process and on to the assembly lines. Then the documentation in repair manuals. You do good work Ray...
Fascinating view of the back of the dash. It made me realise how much design and planning has to go into these things, and also why some components are going to end up being frustratingly inaccessible - there's so much packed in there.
I watched mechanic buddies take a center console apart to repair a leak in an HVAC evaporator that was inside the console. The whole dash had to come out. What a expense!
The “primary structure” is called a “cross-car beam”. It’s an absolutely critical part of the safety system design of any modern vehicle (and is also convenient to hang all the other “stuff” from).
That sensor evaporator combo has to be the most asinine engineering Ive ever seen. And you sir are a genius. You have the strongest aptitude Ive ever seen in mechanics. Your mind is astonishing , anyone can take stuff apart but reassembly on this complex repair all done from memory! 👍👍👍
As if I wasn't already in AWE of your talents Ray you go and do an unbelievable job like this. I am not an easy man to impress but I am SOOOO impressed by you RAY ... you are one in a BILLION. 👍
A good friends mom has one of these trucks...nice rig except when you gotta do a heater core...I bet thats also a 10ish hour job. A great series Ray as always.:-)
Since the heater core is also in that box, I'm going to say so as well. If one ever has to pull for a evaporater. Then changing the heater core might be a good idea and vice-versa as well.
I can't imagine the bill for this entire repair from the beginning. Owners must really love this vehicle 🙂 You sir are a true craftsman. I salute your efforts. 👍🏼👍🏼
Just imagine what Ford would charge.... on my 2008 dodge ram quad cab 4.7 mine was leaking and extended warranty covered mine but heater door was bad also so still cost me 900.00 for heater doors just to be install while torn apart at dodge
You know I remember when I was 16 me and brother did a heater in our 1984 Nissan pick up and we ended up pulling the dash out and had 3 coffee cans of parts put back togather and nissan had to reseal ac vents and couldn't figure out where the other to cans of parts went the charge 100.00 for reseal and drove truck another 10 year
Ray. You are a beast!! I'm Ray also and a mechanic. But my lack of patience and mobility at 60 years old keeps me from being able to do this job. I'm amazed at how you can confidently finish up and not forget one connection...
I can't say it enough would have loved to work with a true mechanic like you, over the last 40 year's have worked with some of the best you will ever meet and a lot of the worst you can imagine. I would have replaced the heater core while I had the dash out considering the cost of part against labor times, on job's this big I generally up labor couple of hours and that gives me the money to replace part's that might get broken. I would hate to have to go back after all the work because now heater core has issues
The 'hold the nut/bolt in the socket with paper towel' trick is probably the most used hack in my repertoire. I've probably used it 10 or so bazillion times. It was taught to me by an awesome high school shop teacher...and I pass it on when opportunity strikes...possibly like a travelling pants kind of thing...or quite likely not.
Shame on the Ford engineers! If I was the engineer, I would have put in access panels so a heater core or evaporator could be changed in 2 hours or less. That’s not to mention that the parts that fail are not available without buying an expensive assembly. For the price they charge, the heater core should have been included! Great to see you on WTW livestream last night!
"If I was the engineer" you certainly would not have the option of requiring tens of thousands in extra engineering, tooling, part count just for saving a customer some money? Your plan would cost Ford , without doing anything to increase their sale price. Zero gain, with significant cost. BAD engineer, bad!
Believe a temp sensor can be put under the hood on suction line n series w the clutch we used to do that w HVAC units I button that opens a 32. Also use as a outdoors thermostat for furnace un occupied house closes at 32
If I ever have to do one on a F150 then this will help. Tremendously and thanks for doing this it really helps alot of us out on how to perform this task and it is a task.
Nothing beats this after a hard day work, seeing you rebuilding half a car, nice work ray, ill just keeping repairing houses and doing renovations and talkle little jobs with my car.
The problem with opening your own shop is hiring the right people to support the endeavor. The most qualified technician with a bad attitude can sour the entire shop. Front office personnel can sabotage your repairs before you even had a chance. And finally, the clientele expectations occasionally far exceeds reality. Just saying, probably won’t happen.
I hope not. As is, he fixes things while others handle the billing, the paperwork, the h/r, osha, etc. Some guys like being their own boss but it definitely takes him off the shop floor. I'm not looking for Ray to tell us "Hello, everybody, welcome back. Today we will be talking to our lawyer about that big job we did last month that the car owner paid with a bad check. If we have any time left, I need to fill out some OSHA paperwork and interview some more stoners looking to work for us"
After finding out what's involved I would have told my wife. Honey, we need to manually turn the A/C system on and off from now on so it doesn't freeze. Yea, it's a defect that can't be fixed.
I'm a (non-automotive) engineer by trade and sure, I know all the snide comments about engineers and working on cars. But I have to say in this case, I totally agree. Whoever at Ford thought this was acceptable is a misanthrope, plain and simple. On the bright side at least the customer had to buy a really expensive part to go with the 10 hours of labor required to replace it.
At least Ford did not design the whole heater/AC/Vent system to be operated by one or more computer modules integrated with some overall computer system, and then require that the auto be taken into a Ford dealer to reprogram the system to recognize the new sensor (with only OEM parts recognizable). Anyone wanna buy a Mercedes or BMW?.
♪♫♪♫ Up in the Ford truck, click, click, click, there is Raymond doing the fix, first comes the heater core then the dash, oh how Ramond does it so fast. Here comes Petaar with his hands, he is such a helpful man. Then Ray button's it all uptight and he smiles as his Subs goes up right .. .!!! ♪♫♫♪
How do you keep track of all the pieces and where they go? You give great detail to doing a job right and don't take shortcuts to save labor. I am impressed by your skill level!
Great job! You must have some sort of photographic or eidetic memory to be able to remember what assembly, fastener, bolts, nuts, etc goes where! I'm definitel NOT a mechanic but I always seem to have "extra" parts every time I even attempt a simple repair! Oh, and I'm glad you got your thermometer back!! ;)
years ago an old mechanic taught me to tie a doubled-up loop of sewing thread around a screw/bolt to prevent losing it if dropped. makes a dandy handle and easily removed/cut etc. after installation. still have thread in my toolbox!
Are you certain that Ferd One-Fiddy isn't a Renault? The Dash in my Renault Clio has been half disassembled for two years 'cos I need to replace the blower motor and gave up after 5 hours! :) I tried calling for "Peetah" and saying doo-di-dee-di-doo but it seems that I need actual skill and patience to complete the repair, not just catch-phrases... Love your work, brother
For fun could you check if there is any parts number on the old sensor ? It's probably made by a 3rd party so it should have something. I`ve saved a ton of money in the past cause i could get the correct part without buying the whole item that the manufacture wanted me to do
I was thinking something similar, plus figure out a way to replace the sensor without having to pull the whole damn dash! With it apart and the old assembly available, it might be possible to map out where and how to make an açcess panel, as well as how the sensor installs. Make a "how to" video and post it on YT for the next person who has that problem. It's utterly ridiculous to need to pull that entire dash AND replace that entire assembly for a sensor that probably cost less than $20.
Nice job Ray! Can't believe the complexity of that dash! I had to take the dash apart in a 73 Satellite to retrieve a kitten hiding in the air ducts. She kept moving farther in. Complete disassembly took 2 hrs, same to reassemble. Kitten was fine too!
Geeesh! All of THAT for one lousy sensor? Cheap Ford engineering short cuts making a simple sensor changeout impossible. Ray, you have excellent skills and a super abundance of patience!!
The sad part is every car manufacturer has lousy engineering in every car this at least one or usually a bunch of sensors that are buried that you can't get to without doing a major job like that
It's driven by cost, not crappy engineering. Stop and think about it! If the engineer had to make every part easily accessible to Ray, the cost of the truck would go up exponentially! Then you would you guys would be complaining about how much more expensive the car or truck was.
You have unbelievable patience and resolve!!! I am deeply impressed and in awe of you expertise!!! Keep up the good work and Ford really did not design this component replacement very well at all!!!
This is insane! Another Fraud engineering madness ... I'm stunned you got through it w/o losing your patience. I'd cut a hole and replace the sensor after some investigation on the circuit function. Its not that hard to figure out the sensor characteristic, using a couple of resistors and watch the displayed temp. Then replace the sensor with another suitable one and cover the hole with a glued-on piece of panel board.
Of old videos I've watched you do those are the most nuts bolts screws and pieces and parts I've ever seen you put on a vehicle I'm amazed you remembered where everything went and how careful were putting it in the vehicle man you're f****** amazing
Hey! Great series! By the way, did you and the customer talk about exchanging the heater core in the same time? I mean it would not be very cool to have to do this job yet another time due to a malfunctioning heater core. Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪
I had to have most of this procedure done in my F-150 at one point. The foam had fallen off somewhere inside the ducting and was blocking the diverter door. The folks who put it back together didn't do nearly as well as you did. Nice job!
"Ancient Chinese Paper Towel Method!" I just described using this a few days ago! I always feel so smart when I see someone do something I know how to do. Now if I can find somewhere that sells those patches, "TH-cam Certified Automotive Technician," I'll be all set! (Amazon, for anyone else who may want some) I see what you did there! You said "Just the tip" then went flange deep.
I dread to even take a guess at the final cost of replacing that little sensor ! Here in the UK in my area a small garage will charge you £60 to £75 an hour for labour, ok it may be a small garage but so many of the small garages do produce excellent work. Take your motor to a main dealer centre and labour is going to cost you an eye watering £140 to £150 an hour and that's just for your average car or truck, often it's cheaper to take your motor to the nearest breakers and scrap it. I can't help but wonder if manufactures build some sort of work creation scheme into there vehicles. As for Ray, he really is an amazing guy and the care he takes with every vehicle he works on never ceases to amaze me, as does his knowledge and skill ! Does anyone know roughly how long he has been working in the motor trade ?
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So what was the final repair bill for this issue? Looked to be an expensive one lol.
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@@Valhallonex congratulations! Might I suggest skipping transmissions and going after brakes and suspension first. Reason being, you’ll encounter more under car work than trans work. (Plus they’re easier)
That is just a crazy rubbish design, especially given how easy it would be to add an little access hatch to the front of that box or make the sensor screw in.
That would be me! Thanks Ray!
I’ve have been watching you for a couple months and you have proven to be a complete technician. Along with all your diagnostic talent, mechanical adeptness, you narrate and film each procedure so thoroughly and add a sense of humor. Your channel makes one realize how complex today’s cars are. Let me add that I am 73 years old and know how straight forward working on your own car used to be.
Because of you, I no longer go screaming into the night when I receive a repair estimate larger than my first house cost. I now hold good techs with the same esteem as I do a good doctor.
I Hear You, my Wife's Lexus cost 3 times what my first house cost and a pc. of land that went all the way to center of earth...
Nicely worded.
This gives new meaning to the phrase "assembly is the reverse of disassembly". So glad this was documented, what a job!
Ray, you're fearless! The degree to which you'll take it for repairs I find mind boggling.
He does make it look easy.
@@jamesoberg8809 I didn't find that it appears easy at all. More like complex to the maximum. The people who designed the beast should be TOBAS (Taken Out Back And Shot) as a friend of mine who's a Dr in California would put it. Ray IS an amazing technician.
I really almost lost it when you played helicopter with the magnetic wand.... and played.... and played. As you said, it is your choice for making your day. It seems you are a master of your sanity.
Every time I watch this channel, I marvel at how nothing is ever lost. Bolts and nuts and things are just set down wherever is convenient. He comes back an hour later, "Where's the nut? There it is." And puts it all back together without anything missing. When I take apart a laptop, I need a grid to set screws down in and in a certain order so I know where they need to go when I reassemble it. I take great care and I _still_ sometimes end up with missing or extra screws. I wish I knew the secret.
Lol, yeah. I use an ice-cube tray; sometimes 2.
Part of it is experience. It looks to US like the bolts and parts are just put wherever is convenient, but Ray has a system that probably makes sense to him alone, that works.
Plus the part was $1,100 dollars
If you think he doesn't ever miss anything, you're not watching carefully enough.
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You are a master of your craft. Amazing video.
Engineers, you gotta love em. I doubt there are many shops that would take that job on Ray, kudos.
You give “US” professional mechanics a Great name. Thank You !
I would attempt almost any repair in my driveway except for Trans, clutch, engine removal as long as there is a video of it to back me up......add a dash removal to that......I even had a hard time just watching this.....respects to anyone who has to do this for a living...
You really need to do a video yourself on these complex repairs to even begin to know where everything goes when it comes time to reassemble.
Ray, seriously, you ARE the man! There is zero possibility I could or would ever attempt to do that tear down....let alone ever get it all back together again. This is a video for your resume, for the rest of your career. Outstanding! p.s. Love the magnet propeller! LOL. In my early career days, I fixed radios and radars. Then mainframe shipboard stuff. I appreciate a great tech. Hats off to you. Its pretty bad when you do a better job then likely the dealer that took it apart before you that lost screws.
100% Tom, totally agree!. Ray, much love from Australia mate, well done!
Honestly if you are an A tech it would be disappointing if you can't take out a dash. But yes ray is definitely an A tech with great skills!
It's a learning curve for those that think they can handle such a job well done
Agreed it is a huge job. I changed just a heater core in a 79 camaro and had to pull the passenger side fender off to get to it. Thats back when cars were much easier to work on. For a job like this you better not need your car for 3-4 days and you better have tons of patience.
On top of all the other labor required to remove and reinstall the dashboard, Ray also has to transfer 90% of the stuff from the old evaporator assembly to the new one. It seems Ford expressly designed this entire setup with the goal of absolutely exploding the labor bill. I'm surprised they didn't figure out a way to require removal and replacement of the engine as well. Shame on you, Ford.
As the manufacturer, Ford doesn't care about the labour because they don't make any of that money. On the other hand they make a killing on part sales!!! The reason they sell you the whole unit instead of just the sensor is because they know the sensor will fail and can't be changed easily so instead they will sell you the whole HVAC box for 10 times as much money.
customers need to be aware of this criminal activity so they dont buy them initially- you vote with your wallet
Chevy does the same crap. To replace the heater core in an '06 equinox is a 7 hour job. The entire dash has to be has to be removed, all the way to the firewall..
I have a 2003 BA series Ford Falcon XR8. The HVAC blend door is a known fault: weak hinge/shaft, which breaks - rendering the heater inoperable. A dash out job to replace it. Mine hasn't done this yet, but it will most likely happen. There are available a stronger aftermarket replacement.
I'm not surprised just disgusted. If engineers had to actually work on repairing their designs- especially after the vehicle has as few as 10k miles on it- they'd find a way to improve things.
Wow! I feel for the customer on this! 10ish hours of labor and they had to buy that whole assembly just for a sensor! These videos are always awesome!
I replaced that same sensor on my Mercedes in five minutes. It was just up from the accelerator pedal.
I'm thinking $3000 repair bill.
@@nomebear must remember that NOT all Vehicle manufacturers build the same.
I would have cut the side of the box out. Replace it, then patch it with sheet metal.
But the truck was bought for $2000 less than a Chevy!
The chimes from have the key in the ignition drives me up the wall. When you finally pulled the key out and told it to shut was just perfect!
I feel for the customer for 10ish hr bill and having to replace the whole assembly. These video's are awesome. 😀🇨🇦
Yup! That bill must have been close to $2500 USD. Insane and maddening.
A move to Alaska would be a whole lot cheaper!!!
No Ford for me
Hey rig, if you’re not a ford guy, what kinda guy are you?
@@rigjockey67 if you’re not a ford guy, what kinda guy are you?
As a 10 year old kid in the 70s I hung out at a junkyard next to my house. The owner let me get parts for clients. I removed a few dashes so when I grew up and needed to replace a heater core I thought no problem. I soon learned pulling parts is easy but putting it back together is much more difficult. Nice work.
You done a great job just to remember where everything went back..Cheers from Tassie Australia.
The amount of plastic we affix to our vehicles to keep them "neat and tidy" is astounding.
You’re a very patient man, I would have had a few bolts and nuts rattling around after I dropped them and failed to retrieve them. I would have broken a lot of clips as well.
Well I hope you're not working as a "professional" mechanic
@@TermlessHGW I’m not, for sure. Shade tree at best.
In addition to ending up with "spare parts" I would almost certainly miss one or more connectors and end up having to tear that dash out again at least once, probably twice or more as some of the wiring or a connector would get damaged, before everything worked.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 yeah - but then you would eventually become a F150 dash expert, be in high demand, and doing it all in 3 hours tops. 🙂
Grampy always said " any time you drop a tranny, there's a good chance you'll find two useless nuts and a leaky rear main "
RIP
I have to say you truly deserve an award of some sort for this job. I could see getting it apart and quitting, leaving it apart like the scarecrow in wizard of oz. I am totally amazed. Back in the day I used to install the old two-way radio systems in cars and truck. Giant boat anchor units in the trunk and big fat cables under and behind everything to the front dash area and control heads, speakers and mics. Then heavy power wires on to the battery. On occasion someone with a brand new car or assigned company car would see their car in pieces either in a parking lot or later when I had an install bay, strewn around the floor and they would freak out. I always managed to get it back together.
I had to change a heater core on my old 1978 F-150 back in the day, what a breeze. Took me about 2 hours real time. Give me the "old" days. I currently drive a 2003 S-10, extended cab. More room than you have. You sir have an amazing ability to keep your cool. Good job.
Nothing short of miraculous .... I wish Ray lived here ... legendary ! !
I had to change the heater core in my ‘64 Pontiac Grand Prix - 20 mins. It took so long because I had never done anything like that before and had almost no tools, never mind motorized ones (they didn’t exist back then!). AC was a luxury we did not have and could not afford anyway; not sure it was even an available option. What a change since then.
Once again I Salute your Patience and your Expertise, you make Hard Jobs Look Easy, this Dash Removal with all the other Components to Repair this Job was Simply Amazing--not many Mechanics would Tackle this Job....
your patience is stunning, well done Ray
I enjoy the way you approach your work and the way you talk keeps me watching without getting bored keep it going a big up
well done you have a lot of patience i admire your resolve and determination to complete the job
I do fleet maintenance on buses.But this is why I have the up most respect for CAR mechanics.You're a special breed.The general public has NO IDEA what you guys go through to fix they're damn cars!
2 weeks from now they will be back saying there is a rattle under the dash that's driving them nuts.
2 weeks from now they will be back because the original heater core is leaking. They should have replaced at least the heater core.
I'm having that issue after Takata air bag replacement at the subaru dealership. Have not been able to locate source driving me nuts. Bought a boriscope to check between inside windshield and dash. Still no go 2006 subie sti
@@crforfreedom7407 make sense, thanks for the time to reply.
that's the craziest thing i've seen. i have no idea how you kept all that straight in your head. Kudos Mucho!
Fast section was very cool. Brought back memories of trim work. As with most things, re-assembly is much more difficult.
Plus the choice of music was BONUS😀
When you dropped the bolt I was wanting to tell you about the piece of paper towel trick to hold a bolt in a socket when trying to install one in the down position but a minute later I found out you already knew that,it has worked many times for me,and now realize many times for you also!Good Job Ray!
Customer should've had the heater core and blend doors replaced while it was apart
Just about to comment the very same thing. That heater core LOOKED fine, and probably is for now, but it's so much work, and cost if not a DIY job, it's more for peace of mind to just put in a new one, perhaps try sell the old one, or just chuck it 👍
Especially at 10hrs labor in a shop with a 1000 dollar evap core..whats another 300 in parts maybe.. I would've been adamant any wearable components need replaced. I've turned down jobs like this because I don't want them mad at me 9 months later.
@@Boga217 Don't blame you, but sometimes a customer may have been informed but only focuses on the $300 or so savings, until 6 months later and he's driving back to the garage wearing a pair of wellington boots to keep his feet dry 🤣👍
I was thinking the exact same thing
Agreed! Not only the heater core, but everything else that could possibly wear! Heater cores really don't cost a lot. It's the labor involved jerking out that dash! Good call @ttgk!
its good for people to see this. it shows what a mechanic does to earn his pay. they'll appreciate it more.
I’m sure it’s been said before, but I love his attitude. Doesn’t swear, throw tools, or act like something he’s not.
He has 200,000 plus watching him. That's incentive to behave. If he actually acted that way I'm sure he will lose viewers, which means money and lose this job.
So glad I found this video. I have a project I want to do that will probably require have swapping the dash wiring harness. I’ve had my dash apart several times before, but never out. These two videos are the most in depth I’ve found on removing an F-150 dash. Thank you.
That looked like the most complicated sensor change out possible. Removing the entire dash and passenger seat to get a sensor? Someone at Ford definitely needs firing.
Its not just Ford, try doing this to a small car like a Nissan or a high-end car like a BMW, I would take this F-150 over a BMW any day, lots of room.
It’s the same old cry car engineers should speak to mechanics before they design anything
@@johnmehaffey9953 they design these cars for ease of assembly and not for servicing.
Firing, they probably got promotions and bonuses for ingenuity, creating a honeypot for the stealerships 🤣🤣🤣
Not only the pain of removing the whole dash Ford does not sell the sensor separately you have to pay $1100 to just get the $10 sensor
OK. I learn a lot from you Ray, but I could never, even in my dreams, complete that job. You did incredible.
Outstanding, Ray! Well done! Thank you for recording this. Your knack for knowing which fasteners go where and the correct order of reassembly is amazing.
It sure is a shame that Ferd makes a customer buy all of that assembly when only the temperature sensor is faulty. May the rest of the truck last a long time and provide many years of trouble free service.
I've done a few dashboards in my time, I always amazed people as to how I could remember how it goes back together, but it's better watching you do it.
I appreciate your skills. You're one of a kind Ray. You are a true dedicated mechanic. Your abilites do not go unnoticed. You have the ability to focus, improvise, and use ingenuity to solve problems under pressure. On the other hand the people at Ford that designed this system should be given a trial date. The court should watch this video and pass sentence to the designers. Life without parole.
just make them do this 100 times- maybe that would get through to them- the big bosses too
You were so close to fixing it quickly and saving the customer a lot of money!! There are different kinds of signals that temp sensors send out. 1-5V or 4-20ma are the two most common. 99 percent of temp sensors put out those two signals. There are volt meters that simulate those signals! You could have cut the wires to the old sensors, hooked up one of those volt meters and tried putting out 4.5 V onto the return wires while having the diagnostic tool hooked up and see what the correct range for temperature was. For example, if you put out 3V and the temperature reading was 60 degrees, and then you put out 4.5V and the temp reading was 130 degrees you would have your slope/scale. every 1.5V equals 70 degrees etc. Then you just keep adjusting the voltage until you find the high range and low range. Then you buy a simple temp sensor that has the matching signal output online and voila, you could have fixed that by just prying it open which was genius! I hope you see this, you can add this skill to your repertoire!
And to add to this, the temp sensors that send out a voltage signal are usually 3 wires. Power, return, and signal. Temp sensors that send the signal as a current are 2 wire only. Power goes through the temp sensor, the resistance of the temp sensor is directly proportional to the temperature the temp sensor is experiencing, which will proportionally affect how much current is returned. So the computer/module just always sends out 20ma or so and then it knows the temperature of the evaporator core by how much current is returning on the negative/return wire.
And to add further, to identify which wire is which is also easy. You can use your voltage light tool. For a 2-wire current signal the Side that lights up is the positive side. The other wire is the return side/signal side. On the 3-wire voltage signal sensors, you can find the voltage supply with the voltage light tool. The return/chassis ground line will beep to confirm continuity with a chassis ground. The third wire is your voltage signal.
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair." - Douglas Adams
Ever heard of Murphy's law? 😁
Looks like Fords have evaporator problems.
Great videos rae for the life of me I don't know you knew where everything went back, if that was me I would have a pail full of bits and bobs left, keep them coming rae. 👍👍👍
What a nightmare repair series, Ray! Good grief! Incredible job. Bravo to you and your nerves of steel patience and fortitude to see that through!
I can't even imagine the headache this reinstall would be with that much electronics without the color/shape coded connectors!
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I helped install a stereo in a friend's 1970's car (a Datsun?) in the early 1980's and we had to do a lot of single-wire guessing and splicing. That was a two-hour job.
Putting a stereo in my 1990's vehicle was a dream with an antenna and one multi-connector.
As always a very compacted repair, you make it look easy, I will never partake such a complicated endeavor, but very interesting to watch thank you for the journey.
Props to doing most of this one handed, much respect. Click approved
22:48 - As with hip cramp from sitting wrong, you know you are getting old when you need to make a plan to pick something off the floor.
Thank you for this instructional video. All this because an individual part was not available. I learned several techniques about removing the dash.
Hey Ray, to reduce the glair on the windshield when using your GoPro - get yourself a polarizing filter. Unbelievable job!
The complexity of modern vehicles never ceases to impress me. I imagine hundreds of thousands of these running through the pre-assembly process and on to the assembly lines. Then the documentation in repair manuals.
You do good work Ray...
Amazing stuff! Nobody’s willing to put it all online like you. I hope TH-cam makes you filthy rich.
We need more people like you in the industry. Stay true and great work.👍🏼
Fascinating view of the back of the dash. It made me realise how much design and planning has to go into these things, and also why some components are going to end up being frustratingly inaccessible - there's so much packed in there.
Manufacturers aren't designing cars by greed.
I watched mechanic buddies take a center console apart to repair a leak in an HVAC evaporator that was inside the console. The whole dash had to come out. What a expense!
Ray, I really enjoy your videos, your perseverance, patience, and attitude are always teller. Plus on top of that you think outside the box.
The “primary structure” is called a “cross-car beam”. It’s an absolutely critical part of the safety system design of any modern vehicle (and is also convenient to hang all the other “stuff” from).
Primary structure, Primary structure, Primary structure.
I know this is a Ford, but the Japanese Auto makers call it the IP Bar.
That sensor evaporator combo has to be the most asinine engineering Ive ever seen. And you sir are a genius. You have the strongest aptitude Ive ever seen in mechanics. Your mind is astonishing , anyone can take stuff apart but reassembly on this complex repair all done from memory! 👍👍👍
Good repair and memory. Keep em coming.
As if I wasn't already in AWE of your talents Ray you go and do an unbelievable job like this.
I am not an easy man to impress but I am SOOOO impressed by you RAY ... you are one in a BILLION. 👍
A good friends mom has one of these trucks...nice rig except when you gotta do a heater core...I bet thats also a 10ish hour job. A great series Ray as always.:-)
Since the heater core is also in that box, I'm going to say so as well. If one ever has to pull for a evaporater. Then changing the heater core might be a good idea and vice-versa as well.
@@Embermist69 it's good practice. Just do both and save yourself the hassle.
You sir are the true "Master Mechanic " no challenge to great, again wish you were in my area. Awesome video!!!
I can't imagine the bill for this entire repair from the beginning. Owners must really love this vehicle 🙂
You sir are a true craftsman. I salute your efforts. 👍🏼👍🏼
@@JacobTemple_CE
Ok, that's not as hefty as I imagined but still
Just imagine what Ford would charge.... on my 2008 dodge ram quad cab 4.7 mine was leaking and extended warranty covered mine but heater door was bad also so still cost me 900.00 for heater doors just to be install while torn apart at dodge
You know I remember when I was 16 me and brother did a heater in our 1984 Nissan pick up and we ended up pulling the dash out and had 3 coffee cans of parts put back togather and nissan had to reseal ac vents and couldn't figure out where the other to cans of parts went the charge 100.00 for reseal and drove truck another 10 year
Ray. You are a beast!! I'm Ray also and a mechanic. But my lack of patience and mobility at 60 years old keeps me from being able to do this job. I'm amazed at how you can confidently finish up and not forget one connection...
I can't say it enough would have loved to work with a true mechanic like you, over the last 40 year's have worked with some of the best you will ever meet and a lot of the worst you can imagine. I would have replaced the heater core while I had the dash out considering the cost of part against labor times, on job's this big I generally up labor couple of hours and that gives me the money to replace part's that might get broken. I would hate to have to go back after all the work because now heater core has issues
A couple of more hours may have kept this customer from doing the repair. A real bargain for the work you completed.
The 'hold the nut/bolt in the socket with paper towel' trick is probably the most used hack in my repertoire. I've probably used it 10 or so bazillion times. It was taught to me by an awesome high school shop teacher...and I pass it on when opportunity strikes...possibly like a travelling pants kind of thing...or quite likely not.
Shame on the Ford engineers! If I was the engineer, I would have put in access panels so a heater core or evaporator could be changed in 2 hours or less. That’s not to mention that the parts that fail are not available without buying an expensive assembly. For the price they charge, the heater core should have been included! Great to see you on WTW livestream last night!
"If I was the engineer" you certainly would not have the option of requiring tens of thousands in extra engineering, tooling, part count just for saving a customer some money? Your plan would cost Ford , without doing anything to increase their sale price. Zero gain, with significant cost. BAD engineer, bad!
Believe a temp sensor can be put under the hood on suction line n series w the clutch we used to do that w HVAC units I button that opens a 32. Also use as a outdoors thermostat for furnace un occupied house closes at 32
If you did that as an engineer then Ford would fire you for not doing what upper management expected
If I ever have to do one on a F150 then this will help. Tremendously and thanks for doing this it really helps alot of us out on how to perform this task and it is a task.
Give this man a raise!!!
Nothing beats this after a hard day work, seeing you rebuilding half a car, nice work ray, ill just keeping repairing houses and doing renovations and talkle little jobs with my car.
Ray is a mechanical genius. A very gifted man. Will he ever open his own shop?
Yes, I bet soon.
The problem with opening your own shop is hiring the right people to support the endeavor. The most qualified technician with a bad attitude can sour the entire shop. Front office personnel can sabotage your repairs before you even had a chance. And finally, the clientele expectations occasionally far exceeds reality. Just saying, probably won’t happen.
No way ..the amount of crap u gota go through. better off working wages or a contractor
I hope not. As is, he fixes things while others handle the billing, the paperwork, the h/r, osha, etc. Some guys like being their own boss but it definitely takes him off the shop floor. I'm not looking for Ray to tell us "Hello, everybody, welcome back. Today we will be talking to our lawyer about that big job we did last month that the car owner paid with a bad check. If we have any time left, I need to fill out some OSHA paperwork and interview some more stoners looking to work for us"
Thought my 2000 xj heater core was gonna be a pain... This makes it look like light work... Thumbs up Ray!
The engineers that designed this mess should be forced into a cage match with angry Ford customers and mechanics/technicians.
Oh yea!!!
No parts or fasteners left over? Must be confident to put this online, bravo!!!
After finding out what's involved I would have told my wife. Honey, we need to manually turn the A/C system on and off from now on so it doesn't freeze. Yea, it's a defect that can't be fixed.
I own a 2016 F-150 this video makes me worried for my labor costs...
but Ray did a great job..
I'm a (non-automotive) engineer by trade and sure, I know all the snide comments about engineers and working on cars. But I have to say in this case, I totally agree. Whoever at Ford thought this was acceptable is a misanthrope, plain and simple. On the bright side at least the customer had to buy a really expensive part to go with the 10 hours of labor required to replace it.
At least Ford did not design the whole heater/AC/Vent system to be operated by one or more computer modules integrated with some overall computer system, and then require that the auto be taken into a Ford dealer to reprogram the system to recognize the new sensor (with only OEM parts recognizable). Anyone wanna buy a Mercedes or BMW?.
@@schadenfreude2555 yikes! 😱🤬
Chevy does the same thing
♪♫♪♫ Up in the Ford truck, click, click, click, there is Raymond doing the fix, first comes the heater core then the dash, oh how Ramond does it so fast. Here comes Petaar with his hands, he is such a
helpful man. Then Ray button's it all uptight and he smiles as his Subs goes up right .. .!!! ♪♫♫♪
How do you keep track of all the pieces and where they go? You give great detail to doing a job right and don't take shortcuts to save labor. I am impressed by your skill level!
he can just watch his own video
You have more patience than I could ever conger up. You are an awesome mechanic/technician.
Ray, credit where credits due, you nailed that one! To top it off he did it all with ONE HAND AMAZING!!!
Great job! You must have some sort of photographic or eidetic memory to be able to remember what assembly, fastener, bolts, nuts, etc goes where! I'm definitel NOT a mechanic but I always seem to have "extra" parts every time I even attempt a simple repair!
Oh, and I'm glad you got your thermometer back!! ;)
years ago an old mechanic taught me to tie a doubled-up loop of sewing thread around a screw/bolt to prevent losing it if dropped. makes a dandy handle and easily removed/cut etc. after installation. still have thread in my toolbox!
Man it seems they give you the most difficult jobs dashboards are insane to do
Some of us don't care how long or many videos there are, more for us to watch Ray
Are you certain that Ferd One-Fiddy isn't a Renault? The Dash in my Renault Clio has been half disassembled for two years 'cos I need to replace the blower motor and gave up after 5 hours! :) I tried calling for "Peetah" and saying doo-di-dee-di-doo but it seems that I need actual skill and patience to complete the repair, not just catch-phrases... Love your work, brother
This wasn't a repair, this was a journey, and thank you for taking us along with you.
For fun could you check if there is any parts number on the old sensor ? It's probably made by a 3rd party so it should have something. I`ve saved a ton of money in the past cause i could get the correct part without buying the whole item that the manufacture wanted me to do
You are right. Someone has to make the part.
Yea that would be nice and could save the other guy who has to to do that procedure
@@rayphillips332 exactly what I was thinking
I was thinking something similar, plus figure out a way to replace the sensor without having to pull the whole damn dash! With it apart and the old assembly available, it might be possible to map out where and how to make an açcess panel, as well as how the sensor installs. Make a "how to" video and post it on YT for the next person who has that problem. It's utterly ridiculous to need to pull that entire dash AND replace that entire assembly for a sensor that probably cost less than $20.
@@alanm.4298 a $5 part marked up 1000% then bury it and make it only available with the evaporator and housing.
Nice job Ray! Can't believe the complexity of that dash! I had to take the dash apart in a 73 Satellite to retrieve a kitten hiding in the air ducts. She kept moving farther in. Complete disassembly took 2 hrs, same to reassemble. Kitten was fine too!
Geeesh! All of THAT for one lousy sensor? Cheap Ford engineering short cuts making a simple sensor changeout impossible. Ray, you have excellent skills and a super abundance of patience!!
Wait till u own an astra lol
Another good reason to never buy "ford" products!
The sad part is every car manufacturer has lousy engineering in every car this at least one or usually a bunch of sensors that are buried that you can't get to without doing a major job like that
It's driven by cost, not crappy engineering. Stop and think about it! If the engineer had to make every part easily accessible to Ray, the cost of the truck would go up exponentially! Then you would you guys would be complaining about how much more expensive the car or truck was.
You have unbelievable patience and resolve!!! I am deeply impressed and in awe of you expertise!!! Keep up the good work and Ford really did not design this component replacement very well at all!!!
This is insane! Another Fraud engineering madness ...
I'm stunned you got through it w/o losing your patience.
I'd cut a hole and replace the sensor after some investigation on the circuit function.
Its not that hard to figure out the sensor characteristic, using a couple of resistors and watch the displayed temp.
Then replace the sensor with another suitable one and cover the hole with a glued-on piece of panel board.
good idea- i would do the same
That's some amazing work pulling out the dash and even more amazing to put it back in. A really awkward job done in tight quarters. Well done Ray!
I'm down to hear about the window breaking mistake we've all done it at some point with a tool or the wiper arm
I found it's difficult to break a windscreen from the outside as the shape protects it...
... but from the inside, it's embarrassingly easy :)
Of old videos I've watched you do those are the most nuts bolts screws and pieces and parts I've ever seen you put on a vehicle I'm amazed you remembered where everything went and how careful were putting it in the vehicle man you're f****** amazing
How do you know, Ray, that a popping ratchet will break a window?
That made the 5.4 timing chain job look easy! but you got to find another job Ray before you get old! you are a great Tech!
Hey! Great series! By the way, did you and the customer talk about exchanging the heater core in the same time? I mean it would not be very cool to have to do this job yet another time due to a malfunctioning heater core.
Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪
I had to have most of this procedure done in my F-150 at one point. The foam had fallen off somewhere inside the ducting and was blocking the diverter door. The folks who put it back together didn't do nearly as well as you did. Nice job!
Ray, what about the condensation drain at the bottom of the heater box that you disconnected during removal? Did you reconnect?
"Ancient Chinese Paper Towel Method!" I just described using this a few days ago! I always feel so smart when I see someone do something I know how to do. Now if I can find somewhere that sells those patches, "TH-cam Certified Automotive Technician," I'll be all set!
(Amazon, for anyone else who may want some)
I see what you did there! You said "Just the tip" then went flange deep.
I’m just curious how much the final bill was for this repair
I dread to even take a guess at the final cost of replacing that little sensor ! Here in the UK in my area a small garage will charge you £60 to £75 an hour for labour, ok it may be a small garage but so many of the small garages do produce excellent work. Take your motor to a main dealer centre and labour is going to cost you an eye watering £140 to £150 an hour and that's just for your average car or truck, often it's cheaper to take your motor to the nearest breakers and scrap it. I can't help but wonder if manufactures build some sort of work creation scheme into there vehicles. As for Ray, he really is an amazing guy and the care he takes with every vehicle he works on never ceases to amaze me, as does his knowledge and skill ! Does anyone know roughly how long he has been working in the motor trade ?
Well the box with ac evap is 700$ and then 10 hours of labor. So if they charge 100$ hour with taxes and other fees 2000$ should do it
@@wojtekspc $100 an hour? What is this the 90's? Try $150-175.