You guys are doing a great job. It is probably the most confrontational and thankless job in BRC but you guys really do probably the most important work. Thanks.
Reading a lot of the comments, I feel as concerned as Oddball listening to Moriarty sending out so many negative waves. That's right, a reference to a 1970 movie masterpiece. -C
This depends entirely on when you leave and local conditions, but plan for a range of three to thirteen hours. If you miss your flight, it’s incredibly shitty for you so plan accordingly - add a day in Reno before you go home for additional Decompression, that sort of thing.
The exodus is a terrible experience mainly due to mismanagement. "It has to happen in an orderly fashion" was just mentioned in this video - but nothing could be further from the reality that is exodus. When cars finally reach the front of the pulse lines and are allowed to merge towards the road, it is total chaos - there are about a dozen lanes of cars that are made to merge with no direction whatsoever - it's a free for all. I've witnessed fights and near collisions take place as hundreds of vehicles try to merge from about a dozen lanes into a single lane. It is a huge problem that could be solved by a few people directing lanes to merge, or by taking a different approach that doesn't create chaos and hostility. Instead we have burners fighting burners to merge and get on the road, and it causes a huge waste of time in exodus. Burning Man Org - you can do better!!
Easy brah. Keep in mind that while you were having the time of your life, these people are working for free. They arrive early, leave late, and work hard and long. Show a little appreciation for volunteer staff. They are not perfect but the event starts, happens, ends. Enjoy it all!!!
Hello there! Nothing makes me happier than replying to internet comments about processes that I have managed. First and foremost, anyone jockeying for position once we release a pulse in the merge from 16 -> 2 lanes is doing it wrong. Second, the delay in the merge is factored into the flow rate of vehicles. Third, ‘near misses’ are a natural component of merging at 2-5 mph so... I guess pay more attention? Finally... thanks for the feedback on this that validates the way we do this. While we do have tweaks and ideas we implement each year, having even more Gate and Exodus staff standing directly in traffic is not high on my priority list. Everyone leaving the city is responsible together for the success of Exodus. This year was fucking phenomenal and I hope we continue to grow and evolve.
Way to go completely ignoring human behavior, and applying your own sugar coated post-burn feelgood idea of how burners should act during exodus. Let me give you a hint: it doesn't work how you think it works. There absolutely are hostile and offensive drivers, and after waiting 6 hours in a line that barely moves, how can anyone blame them? I've been burning for 21 years and I've lived through (and avoided) the shitshow that is exodus many times, and I haven't seen anything improve in the last few years, it has only gotten worse. This is caused by your (and others) obvious lack of insight into the reality of the situation. I've seen people purposely drive their car into other cars out of spite, yelling, screaming - feeling they got cut off during the big merge at the end. I've seen all kinds of negativity and awful treatment of fellow burners during the merge. You know why you don't see it? Because you're nowhere near the big merge, and you aren't trying to leave the city like everyone else - you didn't have to wait in line 6 to 10 hours just to reach the merge. Maybe you have before and maybe you didn't see the awful conditions causing the bottlenecks, maybe you were too high in the back of an RV, I don't know - but the reality is that the merging could be done so much more efficiently and cleanly, and there is huge room for improvement there. "Everyone leaving the city is responsible together for the success of Exodus." "Third, ‘near misses’ are a natural component of merging at 2-5 mph so... I guess pay more attention? " This demonstrates your lack of awareness of what is truly going on in the final stage of the exodus. I think you should try waiting in line for 6+ hours, hungry, impossibly tired after packing up your camp as fast as possible with no sleep, dehydrated after a week in the desert, pissed off at your camp-mates for bailing on you early - try that yourself and then see how the merge at the end happens. You should do this a few times if you think it's going so well. You really need to ditch the saccharine attitude about exodus and try to actually improve things.
neimado ... first, thanks for making sure to include how long you’ve been burning. long live the duration meritocracy because that’s totally what the burn is about. second, you’re making a fair but ignorant point about the presence of exodus staff at the merge. i don’t see a reason why we can’t have more observers present, to include people trained to control traffic and intervene in the sort of ‘human behavior’ that you’re so proud to point out that happens that late in the event. i agree this should (and could) improve. third, with no respect whatsoever, you can shut the fuck up and sit down when you say that Gate staff isn’t aware of what happens out there. while you’re doing whatever secret magic thing it is you do to avoid exodus yet somehow be an expert capable of thorough evaluation including but not limited to first hand observation of situations, we have people on 6, 12 and 24 shifts in conditions that are the worst my team endures. we know. talk to me when you puke dust after being knocked over by flying debris in the dust trying to help someone find their car. the closest thing to saccharine in my blood is strychnine. finally, you’ve made your point and the things i said we’ll do i will roll up the management chain. if you’d like to make yourself look foolish on the internet by all means continue.
"neimado ... first, thanks for making sure to include how long you’ve been burning. long live the duration meritocracy because that’s totally what the burn is about. " Oh, and you think your burnier-than-thou attitude is that well hidden? You're actually quite full of it. I never got burnier-than-thou on you, but you sure went there fast. The only reason I bring up my 21 years at the burn is to frame my experience of the event. But sure, go ahead and bash me some more. "third, with no respect whatsoever, you can shut the fuck up and sit down when you say that Gate staff isn’t aware of what happens out there. " More of the same old burnier-than-thou bmorg attitude. Some things never seem to change. "while you’re doing whatever secret magic thing it is you do to avoid exodus" You really think it's a secret? It's called waiting until 5am the next day, or the day after that. Sometimes I don't have that luxury, sometimes I have to be somewhere else at a specific time. Sometimes it's not me but strangers I am delivering to the airport in Reno. Not all of us can live and breath the burnier-than-thou life that you have. You're the one that turned this hostile, not me. I'm sorry if you didn't like my absolutely real and valid experience of exodus. I actually expect this treatment from the lower level staff in the org, the reputation you've all earned isn't stellar. You might also work on that a bit. You also have no clue what I've experienced in my time at the burn, what I've contributed, what I've volunteered, so if a pissing contest is all you want then we can do that, too. None of that will change the fact that the exodus merge was an anything-goes hostile clusterfuck with no management in sight after the lines. But it seems like from your attitude here, if you're actually the one managing it - that is exactly what the outcome would be. If you really cared for burners you might not have the attitude you displayed here. "talk to me when you puke dust after being knocked over by flying debris in the dust trying to help someone find their car." ^^^ Burnier-than-thou.
i went in 2004 and again in 2009 the people and vibe changed so much in 5 years ill never go back Seudo-BM. Tryed a regional burn in Bailey CO. These turds turned me away from the gate at 9pm. RADICAL INCLUSION HELL NO i offered an additional 100 cash and was scolded at the gate the next morning for "Not Being On Time"????. I let them know I had helped throw Dark Skies souuthern Nevada burn and that thier event was bullshit and i wouldnt come back. Bailey cops poached from inside the event even though it was on "private property" the Colorado burn is a TRAP
You guys are doing a great job. It is probably the most confrontational and thankless job in BRC but you guys really do probably the most important work. Thanks.
Great Job Ira!! Loads of information!
Fantastic video, well done!
Nicely done Ira. Thank you!
" you might want to read the back of your ticket" - Thanks for that Ira, signed - Oink
thanx for the virtual info. looking forward to the event's live streaming & build up of the big event! much
:)
i can't get a stait answer...if i need to leave earily.... how does that work out?
Reading a lot of the comments, I feel as concerned as Oddball listening to Moriarty sending out so many negative waves. That's right, a reference to a 1970 movie masterpiece. -C
Woke up and departed at 6am. First person to leave Y2K. Got a nod by BLM officer.
Thank you for this video!
Roughly, how long does it take to get out? Just want to make sure my flight plans are correct
This depends entirely on when you leave and local conditions, but plan for a range of three to thirteen hours. If you miss your flight, it’s incredibly shitty for you so plan accordingly - add a day in Reno before you go home for additional Decompression, that sort of thing.
It would be good to have the Post office address during the event to send/receive mail
What the hell does that have to do with the gate and getting to and from the event?
Aww, it's good practice for the lanes - "I don't know, ask the hippies down the road at the greeter station."
What a burn!
I heard if you to hit or run over a cone, you go to Burner hell.
I need someone who's been to BM to talk to, reply to this if you have time
The exodus is a terrible experience mainly due to mismanagement. "It has to happen in an orderly fashion" was just mentioned in this video - but nothing could be further from the reality that is exodus. When cars finally reach the front of the pulse lines and are allowed to merge towards the road, it is total chaos - there are about a dozen lanes of cars that are made to merge with no direction whatsoever - it's a free for all. I've witnessed fights and near collisions take place as hundreds of vehicles try to merge from about a dozen lanes into a single lane. It is a huge problem that could be solved by a few people directing lanes to merge, or by taking a different approach that doesn't create chaos and hostility. Instead we have burners fighting burners to merge and get on the road, and it causes a huge waste of time in exodus. Burning Man Org - you can do better!!
Easy brah. Keep in mind that while you were having the time of your life, these people are working for free. They arrive early, leave late, and work hard and long. Show a little appreciation for volunteer staff. They are not perfect but the event starts, happens, ends. Enjoy it all!!!
Hello there! Nothing makes me happier than replying to internet comments about processes that I have managed.
First and foremost, anyone jockeying for position once we release a pulse in the merge from 16 -> 2 lanes is doing it wrong. Second, the delay in the merge is factored into the flow rate of vehicles. Third, ‘near misses’ are a natural component of merging at 2-5 mph so... I guess pay more attention? Finally... thanks for the feedback on this that validates the way we do this. While we do have tweaks and ideas we implement each year, having even more Gate and Exodus staff standing directly in traffic is not high on my priority list. Everyone leaving the city is responsible together for the success of Exodus. This year was fucking phenomenal and I hope we continue to grow and evolve.
Way to go completely ignoring human behavior, and applying your own sugar coated post-burn feelgood idea of how burners should act during exodus. Let me give you a hint: it doesn't work how you think it works. There absolutely are hostile and offensive drivers, and after waiting 6 hours in a line that barely moves, how can anyone blame them? I've been burning for 21 years and I've lived through (and avoided) the shitshow that is exodus many times, and I haven't seen anything improve in the last few years, it has only gotten worse. This is caused by your (and others) obvious lack of insight into the reality of the situation. I've seen people purposely drive their car into other cars out of spite, yelling, screaming - feeling they got cut off during the big merge at the end. I've seen all kinds of negativity and awful treatment of fellow burners during the merge. You know why you don't see it? Because you're nowhere near the big merge, and you aren't trying to leave the city like everyone else - you didn't have to wait in line 6 to 10 hours just to reach the merge. Maybe you have before and maybe you didn't see the awful conditions causing the bottlenecks, maybe you were too high in the back of an RV, I don't know - but the reality is that the merging could be done so much more efficiently and cleanly, and there is huge room for improvement there.
"Everyone leaving the city is responsible together for the success of Exodus."
"Third, ‘near misses’ are a natural component of merging at 2-5 mph so... I guess pay more attention? "
This demonstrates your lack of awareness of what is truly going on in the final stage of the exodus. I think you should try waiting in line for 6+ hours, hungry, impossibly tired after packing up your camp as fast as possible with no sleep, dehydrated after a week in the desert, pissed off at your camp-mates for bailing on you early - try that yourself and then see how the merge at the end happens. You should do this a few times if you think it's going so well. You really need to ditch the saccharine attitude about exodus and try to actually improve things.
neimado ... first, thanks for making sure to include how long you’ve been burning. long live the duration meritocracy because that’s totally what the burn is about.
second, you’re making a fair but ignorant point about the presence of exodus staff at the merge. i don’t see a reason why we can’t have more observers present, to include people trained to control traffic and intervene in the sort of ‘human behavior’ that you’re so proud to point out that happens that late in the event. i agree this should (and could) improve.
third, with no respect whatsoever, you can shut the fuck up and sit down when you say that Gate staff isn’t aware of what happens out there. while you’re doing whatever secret magic thing it is you do to avoid exodus yet somehow be an expert capable of thorough evaluation including but not limited to first hand observation of situations, we have people on 6, 12 and 24 shifts in conditions that are the worst my team endures. we know. talk to me when you puke dust after being knocked over by flying debris in the dust trying to help someone find their car. the closest thing to saccharine in my blood is strychnine.
finally, you’ve made your point and the things i said we’ll do i will roll up the management chain. if you’d like to make yourself look foolish on the internet by all means continue.
"neimado ... first, thanks for making sure to include how long you’ve been burning. long live the duration meritocracy because that’s totally what the burn is about. "
Oh, and you think your burnier-than-thou attitude is that well hidden? You're actually quite full of it. I never got burnier-than-thou on you, but you sure went there fast. The only reason I bring up my 21 years at the burn is to frame my experience of the event. But sure, go ahead and bash me some more.
"third, with no respect whatsoever, you can shut the fuck up and sit down when you say that Gate staff isn’t aware of what happens out there. "
More of the same old burnier-than-thou bmorg attitude. Some things never seem to change.
"while you’re doing whatever secret magic thing it is you do to avoid exodus"
You really think it's a secret? It's called waiting until 5am the next day, or the day after that. Sometimes I don't have that luxury, sometimes I have to be somewhere else at a specific time. Sometimes it's not me but strangers I am delivering to the airport in Reno. Not all of us can live and breath the burnier-than-thou life that you have.
You're the one that turned this hostile, not me. I'm sorry if you didn't like my absolutely real and valid experience of exodus. I actually expect this treatment from the lower level staff in the org, the reputation you've all earned isn't stellar. You might also work on that a bit.
You also have no clue what I've experienced in my time at the burn, what I've contributed, what I've volunteered, so if a pissing contest is all you want then we can do that, too. None of that will change the fact that the exodus merge was an anything-goes hostile clusterfuck with no management in sight after the lines. But it seems like from your attitude here, if you're actually the one managing it - that is exactly what the outcome would be. If you really cared for burners you might not have the attitude you displayed here.
"talk to me when you puke dust after being knocked over by flying debris in the dust trying to help someone find their car."
^^^ Burnier-than-thou.
i went in 2004 and again in 2009
the people and vibe changed so much in 5 years ill never go back Seudo-BM. Tryed a regional burn in Bailey CO. These turds turned me away from the gate at 9pm.
RADICAL INCLUSION HELL NO
i offered an additional 100 cash and was scolded at the gate the next morning for "Not Being On Time"????. I let them know I had helped throw Dark Skies souuthern Nevada burn and that thier event was bullshit and i wouldnt come back. Bailey cops poached from inside the event even though it was on "private property"
the Colorado burn is a TRAP
Why no one mentioned that you're CUTE!
smack down ... thanks!
It's not a true presentation by Ira unless he refers to someone as "Sparklepantz". Disappointed.
yeah, how did y'all edit out every use of the expression "shit show"?