Jackson was upset that there was not a "not guilty" box for jurors to check on two of the lesser included charges Read is facing - motor vehicle homicide and involuntary manslaughter.
Jackson was upset that there was not a "not guilty" box for jurors to check on two of the lesser included charges Read is facing - motor vehicle homicide and involuntary manslaughter.
i believe she should be acquited because the state didnt prove its case, but this lady either misspoke, or she mislead. it didnt just say "guilty". it was a very straightforward form. "not guilty" was on top, followed by the charges. its simple: if they find not guilty, there would be no reason to mark any other box.
It’s not that there’s no report….. if the report, which does exist, wasn’t brought into evidence by EITHER side, then the report can’t be reviewed by the jury. No one’s trying to pull one over in this case.
@@kathyfeldman2281 Albert's & McCabe's are‼️Even if Karen hit him-Dr.Russel testified&Autopsy show beaten to death dog bites & hypothermia-Brian&Colin&Higgins brought John to basement.He reported Colin for dealing drugs-MOTIVE‼️
Jackson was upset that there was not a "not guilty" box for jurors to check on two of the lesser included charges Read is facing - motor vehicle homicide and involuntary manslaughter.
There are two attys on the jury which is unusual and I wonder if one if them is who she appointed foreman BEFORE the alternates were chosen by lottery. Everything about this case is suspect.
It’s unbelievable how she acts like this! She’s been bad the whole time but I think this is just unreal and it worries me the jury has been tampered with BY HER
If they want to vote not guilty, they just need do it. A not guilty verdict from a jury is sovereign. There has to be disagreement if it there’s no verdict yet, and it raises the possibility that if there is a verdict, it will be guilty.
I will lose all confidence in our justice system if she is found guilty, It was not proved without reasonable doubt. No injuries on the lower body and the federal reconstruction team found that he wasn't hit by her car.
Absolutely agree. There is no evidence. It is utterly shocking that this has even gotten to trial. Thank god she can afford such a ferocious defence. Many would not be so lucky. smh
I Definitely Agree (personally as a disabled woman) that the whole entire court, justice system, and policing establishments should all be audited ASANOW in Massachusetts. I say this both as a Resident and as an individual whose father was an attorney here.
Black people have been saying this for 100+ years that the system is rigged! Yall finally realizing the investigative bias because its a above average white women going through it.
FBI have a 20 year investigation of Canton police department - There will be indictments including The Alberts, Proctor &Tully with their 3,074 page report which includes Sandra Birchmore murder‼️
@@TBrl8 look the CW alleges John was hit by a vehicle, the states ME, the forensic pathologist and the Aarca reconstruction experts all testified that that he was NOT HIT BY A VEHICLE. We dont know what actually happened except him being hit by a vehicle, any vehicle, ABSOLUTELY DIDNT OCCUR. Had an actual investigation occurred perhaps we would have answers, but we are left with red solo cups and botched investigation.
Somebody has got to be watching this. Somebody who is in a position to do something. Especially in Canton! The majority of lawyers commenting are also bewildered.
Attorney Alan Jackson was a prosecutor in California years ago and he had a very high conviction rate (he convicted Phil Spector). Now in practice as a defense attorney, he takes on very high profile cases and I believe he has a 96% acquittal rate. He is considered to be one of the top defense lawyers in the United States. He is the lawyer you hire if you are innocent and money doesn't matter. When he was brought onto the defense team last fall, the DA should have reconsidered the case.
What are you talking about, she clearly just said Alan Jackson was correct in raising the issue among others and she would like him to go even further. Nobody was in disagreement among the three reporters.
she was either misinformed, she misspoke, or she was being intentionally misleading. as if there was NO "not guilty" possibility on the verdict slip🙄. i could see why a defense attorney wouldnt like it, but i think the form was straightforward-- they were instructed to mark only one. if its "not guilty", no need to proceed further down the slip.
"Is there enough of burden of proof"?! The burden of proof isn't something that you bring out and say Jirors, here it is, it's the burden of proof. The state has the burden of proving the defendant guilty. I mean come on
Later Auntie Bev reversed her earlier ruling on Jackson’s motion. Agreed to modification of verdict form to exactly what he asked for. Phew 😅 Jackson is one class act. ❤
The ONLY reason they could want that report (there isn't one and they are aren't getting anything,) is to check the location of those tail light pieces. It's the most important part of the case as the major suggestion is the plastic was placed there after the fact. SERT found 5 pieces on the day, 12 hours after the event and 1 hour after Proctor had access to the car.
What an unprofessional reporter using her position to vent her own personal biases. Your state got caught out for being a lazy, backward place that does not know how to keep up with the word and improve, just like Lally. You instead took a cheap shot at brilliant lawyer doing his job. The mind boggles.
There was a lot of evidence and a lot of charges. I would imagine they are going through the case and doing the prosecution's job for them. They might also be stuck on the DUI charge.
To this reporter, just because we saw no evidence to support a Guilty verdict doesn't mean we are "Karen Read supporters." I haven't seen anything I especially like about her. BUT as a resident of the Commonwealth (who couldn't run an errand until the weekend because I have to drive past this circus to get to Rt 1 and shop, if I want to avoid the 128 parking lot) I remain beyond horrified at seeing where my tax dollars have gone to pay for this non-existent State Police investigation. To not look at ALL possibilities & have your mind made up immediately, based on the homeowner being a Cop, is a blue wall I had hoped we had at least partially knocked down. I think, like many, I would have liked to have seen a FULL investigation and seen where all the evidence led. That said, I can't even imagine how anyone could not have reasonable doubt in this case. Doesn't make me a supporter, simply a local horrified at how this has been handled.
You are exactly right. The whole country is watching this trial and are forming opinions about the Massachusetts local and state police and judicial system. And it's not a favorable opinion.
Its scary to think they did this to her so easily. They never followed any evidence what so ever. Just made the evidence fit the person they picked. Could be anyone . Someone that couldn't afford investigators and a good defense
FBI have a 20 year investigation of Canton police department - There will be indictments including The Alberts, Proctor &Tully with their 3,074 page report which includes Sandra Birchmore murder‼️
@@astrialindah2773Brian & Colin Albert & Jen Mcabre sat in front of jury for closing arguments to intimidate them, but Action Jackson intimidated them‼️ KARMA
@@lizdahl847 FBI have a 20 year investigation of Canton police department - There will be indictments including The Alberts, Proctor &Tully with their 3,074 page report which includes Sandra Birchmore murder‼️THEY are scared to death ‼️
@@sarahhavengaBrian & Colin Albert & Jen Mcabre sat in front of jury for closing arguments to intimidate them, but Action Jackson intimidated them‼️ KARMA
@@Jack-bc5xg I'd rather have The Albert's move onto prison‼️ FBI have a 20 year investigation of Canton police department - There will be indictments including The Alberts, Proctor &Tully with their 3,074 page report which includes Sandra Birchmore murder‼️
I’m genuinely shocked they haven’t found her not guilty. The dui is the only charge that has any reliable evidence. But even that is meaningless in the face of all the corrupt incompetence.
No, I don't think that's it. I think every day people want to support the blue . They don't want to believe everyone involved is involved in a cover up. But it is, it really is hard to believe corruption runs that deep. There is definitely reasonable doubt. But people don't want to believe that those that are to protect us, is this corrupt.
@@Nielak-dg8nj Bev is trying to intimidate the jury with the power tripping on legalities where she has NO POWER! She is trying so hard to get a guilty verdict
I would not be surprised If they put one person on this Jury to push for guilty. I wouldn’t put anything past this Judge. It will all come out The world is watching and knows she is not guilty
The issue of double jeopardy. I would think that if there is no physical record of a verdict, then there is no record that being tried twice is in effect. I would love to be Mr. Jackson if, or when the jury sends out a note, “Where’s the NOT GUILTY box?”
The judge did a great job controlling her courtroom. That’s her job. She was always considerate of and respectful to the jury. It’s sad to read the anti-Bev posts here. It makes me wonder about the judge-downers and just what their knowledge or experience is in this regard. Probably not enough to warrant their comments.
I think so far Sue O'Connell has been doing a great job although I was disappointed today. As a professional that takes his job seriously and not just take the money and run, Alan Jackson did well to be aware of any unfairness and possible confusion. And yes shouldn't Massachusetts keep up to date with changes and improvements in the system instead of staying in Medieval times????
I started watching the case with mild interest.. then wondered what I was seeing as the prosecution witnesses destroyed their own case. Missing & destroyed evidence, Proctor... OMG. Watched for weeks.. Wow! - I also saw that there was a hit & run causing death in Canton involving family related to this case - defended by this judge's brother .. correct me where I'm wrong. Here in NZ we have had major cases where evidence was planted and innocent sent to prison. Investigator with a story - then planting evidence, hiding contrary evidence, lies to match.. later overturned. Imagine 20 yrs in prison before walking free.. like $$$ compensation erases harm done? All for the sake of harvesting convictions.
A jury's request for a SERT report indicates its relevance and materiality, excluding it may prejudice the defendant's right to a fair trial (Commonwealth v. Williams, 475 Mass. 258, 265 (2016) If the SERT report contains hearsay, the judge can simply redact the hearsay portions of the report. - (Commonwealth v. Torres, 453 Mass. 553, 561 (2009) Excluding the entire report instead of redacting the hearsay statements may be an abuse of discretion (Commonwealth v. Walker, 464 Mass. 271, 277 (2013) If the SERT report doesn't exist, but she still allowed other evidence that was based on that report (testimony, documents photographs) the judge essentially admitted that the evidence presented was unverified and potentially unreliable.
I'm from Boston. I was never interested in this case until I recognized Alan Jackson when he was the attorney for Kevin Spacey. Jackson is an exceptional attorney whose fighting for his client's innocence. He & Yanetti have different styles which makes it interesting! I hope it won't be a hung jury. Because if it goes to trial, I would rather my tax $$$ go to a better cause.
There are not twelve people in this country who can get together and convict this woman. It's either Going to be an aquittal Or a hung jury 10 to 2 In favor of not guilty.
I agree on the first part. It is seriously f'd up. However, on the second part, there is no chance that Read hit O'Keefe with her car. It is far, far, far more likely that she pulled out a baseball bat and whanged him (not that there is any evidence of it, but at least there isn't evidence against it). Among the many, many, many screw ups by the police: their entire analysis of the accident from the car data, where the whole 24 MPH in reverse came from, was actually data from when they loaded the car onto the flatbed after impound. I'd assume that there aren't any other logs of high acceleration reverses, otherwise, the trooper would have looked into it and realized his mistake. So, at best, we are looking at a low speed collision. A low speed collision that simultaneously left no bruising, but also "projected" him 30 feet.
@@Jack-bc5xg that blizzard created snowbanks, which is why they had to floor the car in reverse to get it into the flatbed. Otherwise, what relevance does a blizzard have?
The SUV has to travel 60 ft to get on a flatbed, no. Blizzard factors in on visibility, trying to collect evidence, John's wounds due to the temperature hence no brushing. It froze his skin .
@@Jack-bc5xgEven if Karen hit him-Dr.Russel testified&Autopsy show beaten to death dog bites & hypothermia-Brian&Colin&Higgins brought John to basement.He reported Colin for dealing drugs-MOTIVE‼️
3:41 Ridiculous. "A lot of people... assumed the jury would reach a fast verdict..." So glad Sue O'Connell said this next: 3:54 - 3:57 "Anybody who tells you when a jury is coming back has no idea what they are talking about in any single case whatsoever." Amen!!! End of Subject.
@@marcopalazzo9349 THANK YOU, can’t believe all the people misunderstanding what she is saying. She is clearly praising Jackson and criticizing the court system. She said she talked to lower judges who said they DON’T have the issue of no not guilty box. She even said Jackson pointed out that the other court room was inappropriate because some jurors wouldn’t be able to see. Do these people not understand English????
Sue kind of has a snotty attitude. Biased much? The father of a friend of our family was an attorney; he had argued a case in front of SCOTUS in the 1960’s. Our friend was excited when the OJ jury came back bc her father always said a quick verdict means the jury decided with the Prosecution . I always think about that when waiting to learn a decision. The OJ obviously decision was the rarity. Hopefully the jury decides for Karen Reed. I am just nervous for her.
I think a fast verdict rather means the jury voted for the obvious outcome. I worry this will be either a hung jury or one of the lower convictions... An obvious non-guilty would have been faster.
Judge had a chip on her shoulder this morning. Karen was taking her own chances. It was inappropriate of the judge to point it out! This isnt high school!
Love Sue!! Past couple of episodes I was getting a bad vibe from her, especially stating that is great that alberts and that snake JCHM should support OFO .... THAT IS NOT RIGHT IT IS MANIPULATION to his family! Dissing TB also. Tonight she seems more on track. 🎉
Well there was expert testimony saying basically that his injuries were not caused by a vehicle in the manner that the prosecution alleged. And also that the damage to the vehicle was not consistent with hitting him in the manner they alleged. It is up to the jury to decide the credibility of that testimony and how much weight to give it.
@@Jack-bc5xg Paid witnesses by THE FBI FBI have a 20 year investigation of Canton police department - There will be indictments including The Alberts, Proctor &Tully with their 3,074 page report which includes Sandra Birchmore murder‼️
@@Jack-bc5xg Not only were the accident reconstructionists not paid witnesses, their independent reports were offered to both the prosecution and the defense. There's a reason Lally didn't call them. If you're going to post a comment at least watch the trial first otherwise you run the risk of appearing a fool. As you just did.
Does anyone find it odd that they were all friends and that she was able to visualize them killing this man, dragging him out, and then conspiring to frame her? Were they the middle-class mafia of Canton, or does she run on empty morally?
She didn't come up with that. All of that came out when they got documents from the FEDS who also investigated! The FEDS said it wasn't a car accident and they weren't prosecuting....... but corrupt Canton needed to help the Mc-Alberts soooo they charged an innocent woman 💯‼️
Thought that it was such a slam dunk she appears to be getting a little nervous im praying for justice for john and his f?friends and especially for the kids that already have been through so much I pray that it is guilty of Manslaughter I think even her defense knows that she is going to be found guilty of 👨 that is why they threw such a fit on he jury instructions on the Manslaughter charge shame on Karen turtle boy her attorneys for stirred up all of this chaos and blaming all of johns friends of murder that town will never be the same because of them just sickening I can only imagine Karen sitting in a jail cell eating her food in the same place that the toilet is entitled narcissist she deserves everything she gets the jury shot of been sequestered I can only imagine the pressure that they feel from all of this just what Karen ordered I just hope if the jury comes back guilty that her fans don't burn down the town maybe her lawyers will stick around to help put out the fire that they created
I'm shocked at how backward the court in Dedham is. Some of their cops lack the appropriate education to work in the public sector. I don't mean to sound green, but I really thought the court there would be as advanced as New York. I mean, states like New York, Connecticut, and Massachusetts have some of our most prestigious universities, so I expect to see what I observed in the Karen Read trial in Mississippi. I'm not disrespecting the South, but they do lag compared to the Northeast and California.
@@Jack-bc5xg I know she's not locked up dummy, but she's still not free of these charges.....YET!!! What are you, 12??? You know exactly what my comment meant🙄🙄
Sue O’Connell is a joke. Jackson so has a point about the verdict form. And yes he probably should come and fix up the entire justice system because clearly in this case, it’s not working.
@Sue O'Connel, you are doing an awesome job, Ignore all the negativity, You do not deserve it. Also there is No proof of guilt. Trust me I tried to find it. There is none. Only speculations.
What a bunch of sheep these ppl are standing outside the court house cheering on some person they don’t know - she’s guilty for killing her boyfriend 🤡🌎
She’s Not guilty. I saw the trial. Lead investigator insulting the defendant before doing his investigation, other possible implicated people were not investigated because they were the investigators friends. Erased texts, phone calls, getting rid of dogs and discarded witnesses phones with info about the case, plus scientific evidence that the victim wasn’t dead about a car crash but presented dog bites, meeting between witnesses, etc, etc… shows the corruption in this case. Even the judge didn’t let some important info to get through. The last piece… there wasn’t a box to check “not guilty”. Poor Karen Read I’m happy that this case was televised
Says so much about her. Not one tear. Absolutely NO remorse for the entire trial. After this trial...she'll turn on anyone if it means she gets what she needs.
“They’ve gone through everything but my sock drawer, but they won’t go through Brian Albert’s front door"!
How ridiculous not having an option for Not Guilty.
Leading
Jackson was upset that there was not a "not guilty" box for jurors to check on two of the lesser included charges Read is facing - motor vehicle homicide and involuntary manslaughter.
Jackson was upset that there was not a "not guilty" box for jurors to check on two of the lesser included charges Read is facing - motor vehicle homicide and involuntary manslaughter.
i believe she should be acquited because the state didnt prove its case, but this lady either misspoke, or she mislead. it didnt just say "guilty". it was a very straightforward form. "not guilty" was on top, followed by the charges. its simple: if they find not guilty, there would be no reason to mark any other box.
How many times did the cops tell us the evidence was logged on the report? Now we find out there is NO report! Not Guilt!
There is a report. Sue O'Connell lied
It’s not that there’s no report….. if the report, which does exist, wasn’t brought into evidence by EITHER side, then the report can’t be reviewed by the jury.
No one’s trying to pull one over in this case.
No pictures or report was made
@@kathyfeldman2281 if there is a report it would have been in the trial and evidence. No report, no pictures= doesn’t exist
@@kathyfeldman2281 Albert's & McCabe's are‼️Even if Karen hit him-Dr.Russel testified&Autopsy show beaten to death dog bites & hypothermia-Brian&Colin&Higgins brought John to basement.He reported Colin for dealing drugs-MOTIVE‼️
When cops are so obviously guilty of tampering with evidence and videos and the body tells the truth; this cop was not hit by that car!
💯💯💯
Absolutely 💯
Not any car/vehicle. The cops are so dumb they didn’t even try to frame her for hitting him with a blunt object.
Can’t wait to see what the FBI discovers!!
Why would you trust anything the FBI does or says based on their admission they framed Trump in Florida.
They found nothing
@@bethpatriots7290 not sure I believe a word of that!😂
@@bethpatriots7290What about Proctor's cringey texts? Were those from the Feds?
Felt nauseated listening to him read the texts.
@meln4214 again. Very unprofessional and a poor choice of words. Regrettable. That makes it all better.
Aunt Bev is so butthurt that the case is not going well for prosecution
Well, she did murder a man.
@@brew1234567891no she didn't
@@shannonchadwick-b2wsure she did. She’s guilty as sin.
@@shannonchadwick-b2wno she didnt
The injuries don't add up
Id draw my own not guilty box since not low key corrupt bev omitted it ☑️
That is really an excellent idea 👏👏👏 The absence of a Not Guilty box could really prove to be confusing to some jurors.
lol great idea 😂
My thoughts as well😂
Jackson was upset that there was not a "not guilty" box for jurors to check on two of the lesser included charges Read is facing - motor vehicle homicide and involuntary manslaughter.
thats a good way to ensure a mistrial🙄
I think the jury wants to vote NOT GUILTY, but like many others (attorneys included) have found the verbiage as very confusing. That's deliberate.
That judge is dirty! I don’t trust her
Agree
There are two attys on the jury which is unusual and I wonder if one if them is who she appointed foreman BEFORE the alternates were chosen by lottery. Everything about this case is suspect.
It’s unbelievable how she acts like this! She’s been bad the whole time but I think this is just unreal and it worries me the jury has been tampered with BY HER
If they want to vote not guilty, they just need do it. A not guilty verdict from a jury is sovereign. There has to be disagreement if it there’s no verdict yet, and it raises the possibility that if there is a verdict, it will be guilty.
I will lose all confidence in our justice system if she is found guilty, It was not proved without reasonable doubt. No injuries on the lower body and the federal reconstruction team found that he wasn't hit by her car.
Agree but I don't have much to begin with when an innocent woman can be taken to the brink of life in prison just due to the shenanigans so far.
Absolutely agree. There is no evidence. It is utterly shocking that this has even gotten to trial. Thank god she can afford such a ferocious defence. Many would not be so lucky. smh
Evidence proved she killed John and left him to die in the blizzard. No evidence that he was in the house
@MaureenODonovan have you been awake. They never searched the house!!!! Get it together
@@clarabrooke294Thanks to her rich mommy and daddy😮
Proctor drove by and threw The pieces out of his car window Into the yard In the middle of the night. He is a burden to the badge!
I Definitely Agree (personally as a disabled woman) that the whole entire court, justice system, and policing establishments should all be audited ASANOW in Massachusetts. I say this both as a Resident and as an individual whose father was an attorney here.
Black people have been saying this for 100+ years that the system is rigged! Yall finally realizing the investigative bias because its a above average white women going through it.
FBI have a 20 year investigation of Canton police department - There will be indictments including The Alberts, Proctor &Tully with their 3,074 page report which includes Sandra Birchmore murder‼️
There isn’t any evidence of guilt!
so? you think only police and judges can be corrupt?
@@potocatepetlthere’s been plenty in the past.
Except the pieces of broken tail light. That and a complete lack of footprints and drag marks in the snow near John’s dead body.
@@TBrl8 look the CW alleges John was hit by a vehicle, the states ME, the forensic pathologist and the Aarca reconstruction experts all testified that that he was NOT HIT BY A VEHICLE. We dont know what actually happened except him being hit by a vehicle, any vehicle, ABSOLUTELY DIDNT OCCUR. Had an actual investigation occurred perhaps we would have answers, but we are left with red solo cups and botched investigation.
You have to ignore a long list of evidence to buy this claim
@LINDA. KAREN DESERVES HER ATTITUDE. SHE HAS BEEN UNFAIRLY PUBLICY TRASHED.
I absolutely agree with you.She's been trashed from day one and that is so wrong
Absolutely 💯!! ☑️ Not Guilty
@@eileencalabro7909The only question I have is how did fragments of tailight. get on his shirt.
@kathybates1751 The same way, 47 pieces of tail light ended up on the front lawn and a single hair and rouge glass on the bumper.
They put in there , just like they put johns body there @@kathybates1751
Definitely a rigged trial
Somebody has got to be watching this. Somebody who is in a position to do something. Especially in Canton! The majority of lawyers commenting are also bewildered.
This is not rigged go outside with the rest of the clowns
How convenient for the prosecution there was no sert report...
That should tell them right there. And no pics of the scene.
There is a report. Sue O'Connell lied
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a case with so much reasonable doubt in so many areas of the case. It’s worrying that the jury hasn’t come back yet.
I agree 100%
I think that means that there is at least one hold out . I think that the jury is tainted .
Y'all thought this was a slam dunk case. Not happening!!😮😮
It only takes one corrupt inbred jurer to make it all happen again. If the Common Wealth can't convict her, they can bankrupt her.
Someone was probably paid by the CW to push for guilty and why did they send 2 home? We want answers
Aunt Bev is so full of fear that it makes one wonder who called in a big favor. She’s been biased since day one in service to the Prosecution.
It’s SO obvious too. Something needs to be done with this entire situation.
She’s supporting the dirty cops
Judge's brother defended Albert for DWI death & got him off‼️- Biased & conflict of interest ‼️They call her "Aunt Bev"
Judges BEVS Brother Represented Chris Albert brother ( pizza joint owner ).. when he mowed down a man with his vehicle. Conflict? oh yea.
@@MissteryDiva Yup Pizza owner Chris albert killed an exchange student. this is 2nd murder alberts are involved with.
That was judge Bev's last ditch effort to effect the outcome of the trial.
All the dirty judges have their retirement trial. This might be hers.
and I am afraid she will cause a hung jury!
Oh she will try something else I wouldn't trust she sent in the right form I would of said let us all hand it to them out of the envelope .
And making a dig at KR! Unreal.
Absolutely
The jurors are doing their diligence and I'm grateful for this.
🙏 Amenx
Your court system in Massachusetts is antiquated and you could learn something from Alan Jackson lady
*Jackson *Yanetti * 2024
I want that shirt that Turtleboy wears.
Paid liars.
@@Jack-bc5xgpaid trolls
😂😂😂😂Yeah he is for sure.
They couldn’t give them the sert team report because it doesn’t exist. Nothing was done properly in this case.
Love Jackson
The lady on the street doesn't seem to care for Mr. Jackson. I like him. Different style.
Attorney Alan Jackson was a prosecutor in California years ago and he had a very high conviction rate (he convicted Phil Spector). Now in practice as a defense attorney, he takes on very high profile cases and I believe he has a 96% acquittal rate. He is considered to be one of the top defense lawyers in the United States. He is the lawyer you hire if you are innocent and money doesn't matter. When he was brought onto the defense team last fall, the DA should have reconsidered the case.
@@marydelong3926 Not only that, but telling anyone who wants to be there to "use your vacation time properly ." 🤬
I love Yanetti too❤
@meln4214 definitely, yes.
Its gonna still be not guilty
I fear in a small town people might vote for the powerful family
If she was going to be acquitted it would have happened already.
@@TBrl8Nah, usually the longer a jury takes is usually worse for the prosecution
I’m afraid she will be found guilty and not because she is
@@TBrl8 i feel there is at least one juror currently refusing to budge, but longer jury deliberations tend to result acquittals.
As Chris Albert proved last Sunday when Aidan Kearney came out of the restaurant, this family is really good at being full of rage in an instant.
Toilet turd was taken video of them
And that's in public with a few cameras in their faces. Just crazy to think what they are like in their homes behind " their blue wall"
@@beachgirlhm2311 and drunk.
MarklovesAngels “and drunk.”
💀💀💀💀💀💀😂😂
No Accident!!= innocent
Innocent/Not Guilty
I love how the guy kind of called the on scene reporter out. Saying we could simplify the form and put a not guilty box on the form
What are you talking about, she clearly just said Alan Jackson was correct in raising the issue among others and she would like him to go even further. Nobody was in disagreement among the three reporters.
She was weird.
@@couls3ableShe seems like a fake feminist
she was either misinformed, she misspoke, or she was being intentionally misleading. as if there was NO "not guilty" possibility on the verdict slip🙄. i could see why a defense attorney wouldnt like it, but i think the form was straightforward-- they were instructed to mark only one. if its "not guilty", no need to proceed further down the slip.
"Is there enough of burden of proof"?! The burden of proof isn't something that you bring out and say Jirors, here it is, it's the burden of proof. The state has the burden of proving the defendant guilty. I mean come on
NOT GUILTY 🙏
The judge refused to put a Not Guilty Verdict on the ballot
The judge has been bias the whole time
It's maddening
Later Auntie Bev reversed her earlier ruling on Jackson’s motion. Agreed to modification of verdict form to exactly what he asked for. Phew 😅 Jackson is one class act. ❤
The judge made an amendment that was satisfactory to both sides.
i think KR should be acquitted, and i don't care for the judge, but "not guilty" was the first line on the verdict slip.
☑️ Not Guilty
Sue for the win. Respect!
Just sorting the evidence and instructions I expect to take a few days
The ONLY reason they could want that report (there isn't one and they are aren't getting anything,) is to check the location of those tail light pieces.
It's the most important part of the case as the major suggestion is the plastic was placed there after the fact. SERT found 5 pieces on the day, 12 hours after the event and 1 hour after Proctor had access to the car.
I love how the road was plowed that night but the pieces miraculously stayed in place.
Plenty of time to plant evidence
@@meln4214 found on the grass in a long line, nothing on the road.
What an unprofessional reporter using her position to vent her own personal biases. Your state got caught out for being a lazy, backward place that does not know how to keep up with the word and improve, just like Lally. You instead took a cheap shot at brilliant lawyer doing his job. The mind boggles.
That was so bizarre and inappropriate. Is anyone a professional around there?? She was basically making fun of Jackson.
If i ever got in trouble i would hire Alan Jackson he's amazing
You better have $100.00.00
I don’t know what’s taking so long. The poor woman is obviously innocent.
The cops are the ones that are guilty!
There was a lot of evidence and a lot of charges. I would imagine they are going through the case and doing the prosecution's job for them. They might also be stuck on the DUI charge.
@@jackieblue6116 What proof did you use?
@@jackieblue6116 No way! You’re biased bootlicker. You have brain worms
@@jackieblue6116Only problem is Officer O'Keefe didn't get hit by her car.
Poor woman? Really? How about poor John? Dead and buried but u already forgot about him. Right??😮😮😢
No SERT report? how in the world....i can't
False. Sue O'Connell lied
@@bethmccrae2714how did she lie?
To this reporter, just because we saw no evidence to support a Guilty verdict doesn't mean we are "Karen Read supporters." I haven't seen anything I especially like about her. BUT as a resident of the Commonwealth (who couldn't run an errand until the weekend because I have to drive past this circus to get to Rt 1 and shop, if I want to avoid the 128 parking lot) I remain beyond horrified at seeing where my tax dollars have gone to pay for this non-existent State Police investigation. To not look at ALL possibilities & have your mind made up immediately, based on the homeowner being a Cop, is a blue wall I had hoped we had at least partially knocked down.
I think, like many, I would have liked to have seen a FULL investigation and seen where all the evidence led. That said, I can't even imagine how anyone could not have reasonable doubt in this case. Doesn't make me a supporter, simply a local horrified at how this has been handled.
Seriously
You are exactly right. The whole country is watching this trial and are forming opinions about the Massachusetts local and state police and judicial system. And it's not a favorable opinion.
Its scary to think they did this to her so easily. They never followed any evidence what so ever. Just made the evidence fit the person they picked. Could be anyone . Someone that couldn't afford investigators and a good defense
FBI have a 20 year investigation of Canton police department - There will be indictments including The Alberts, Proctor &Tully with their 3,074 page report which includes Sandra Birchmore murder‼️
The whole world 🌎 is watching!!! Folks are even coming here from England, Ireland and several other countries!!!!!!!
The jury is intimidated by Brian Albert and Jen McCabe so I am very concerned about this
When did the jury tell you this?
@@astrialindah2773Brian & Colin Albert & Jen Mcabre sat in front of jury for closing arguments to intimidate them, but Action Jackson intimidated them‼️ KARMA
I would be scared to death to live where those cops are shady AF
Omg. Scared to death? ? I doubt it!!😮
Never call 911 for help. Phone your friends instead.
@@lizdahl847 FBI have a 20 year investigation of Canton police department - There will be indictments including The Alberts, Proctor &Tully with their 3,074 page report which includes Sandra Birchmore murder‼️THEY are scared to death ‼️
Al lot of people might have believed that this would be a fast process?? Not me-the jury has a lot of evidence to consider.
Love how she admits the state is a broken state..
The Alberts/McCabes are responsible....they should not even had been there and Karen should file defemation suit against them!
I 💯 agree. No witnesses should be allowed back in the court. The MCALBERTS only come to intermediate the JURY🧨🧨🧨🧨🧨🧨🧨🧨
@@sarahhavengaBrian & Colin Albert & Jen Mcabre sat in front of jury for closing arguments to intimidate them, but Action Jackson intimidated them‼️ KARMA
Brian & Colin Albert & Jen Mcabre sat in front of jury for closing arguments to intimidate them, but Action Jackson intimidated them‼️ KARMA
Nation wide our justice system is broken.
Move to another Country.
@@Jack-bc5xg Yeah that will fix the problem. Good idea.
@@Jack-bc5xg I'd rather have The Albert's move onto prison‼️ FBI have a 20 year investigation of Canton police department - There will be indictments including The Alberts, Proctor &Tully with their 3,074 page report which includes Sandra Birchmore murder‼️
I’m genuinely shocked they haven’t found her not guilty.
The dui is the only charge that has any reliable evidence. But even that is meaningless in the face of all the corrupt incompetence.
There isn’t a plain dui charge on there. Only dui charges involved with the accident and manslaughter or homicide.
No one really knows how much she drank and what time she did drink
I want to know why the jurors were sent home. Someone speak up before this trial is over. The world needs to know
The jurors just are not intelligent people if it’s taking them longer than 20 minutes to reach Not Guilty.
They are following Bev's orders are far as I see it. She ordered them to go through all the evidence and not take a poll at the beginning.
SERIOUSLY
No, I don't think that's it. I think every day people want to support the blue . They don't want to believe everyone involved is involved in a cover up. But it is, it really is hard to believe corruption runs that deep. There is definitely reasonable doubt. But people don't want to believe that those that are to protect us, is this corrupt.
😅
@@Nielak-dg8nj Bev is trying to intimidate the jury with the power tripping on legalities where she has NO POWER! She is trying so hard to get a guilty verdict
Wow you're so brilliant Sue O'Connell thanks for your brilliant commentary
I would not be surprised If they put one person on this Jury to push for guilty. I wouldn’t put anything past this Judge. It will all come out The world is watching and knows she is not guilty
The issue of double jeopardy. I would think that if there is no physical record of a verdict, then there is no record that being tried twice is in effect.
I would love to be Mr. Jackson if, or when the jury sends out a note, “Where’s the NOT GUILTY box?”
Lol!!
Just a random from Texas but wanted to tell y’all how much I love Sue O’Connell!
Yes, me too 👍 I am impressed by her commentary and look forward to hearing her opinions 😃
The judge did a great job controlling her courtroom. That’s her job.
She was always considerate of and respectful to the jury. It’s sad to read the anti-Bev posts here.
It makes me wonder about the judge-downers and just what their knowledge or experience is in this regard.
Probably not enough to warrant their comments.
Make no mistake about it - thats Jackson’s courtroom
Judge's brother defended Albert for DWI death & got him off‼️- Biased & conflict of interest ‼️They call her "Aunt Bev"
I think so far Sue O'Connell has been doing a great job although I was disappointed today. As a professional that takes his job seriously and not just take the money and run, Alan Jackson did well to be aware of any unfairness and possible confusion. And yes shouldn't Massachusetts keep up to date with changes and improvements in the system instead of staying in Medieval times????
I started watching the case with mild interest.. then wondered what I was seeing as the prosecution witnesses destroyed their own case. Missing & destroyed evidence, Proctor... OMG. Watched for weeks.. Wow! - I also saw that there was a hit & run causing death in Canton involving family related to this case - defended by this judge's brother .. correct me where I'm wrong.
Here in NZ we have had major cases where evidence was planted and innocent sent to prison. Investigator with a story - then planting evidence, hiding contrary evidence, lies to match.. later overturned. Imagine 20 yrs in prison before walking free.. like $$$ compensation erases harm done? All for the sake of harvesting convictions.
A jury's request for a SERT report indicates its relevance and materiality, excluding it may prejudice the defendant's right to a fair trial (Commonwealth v. Williams, 475 Mass. 258, 265 (2016)
If the SERT report contains hearsay, the judge can simply redact the hearsay portions of the report. - (Commonwealth v. Torres, 453 Mass. 553, 561 (2009)
Excluding the entire report instead of redacting the hearsay statements may be an abuse of discretion (Commonwealth v. Walker, 464 Mass. 271, 277 (2013)
If the SERT report doesn't exist, but she still allowed other evidence that was based on that report (testimony, documents photographs) the judge essentially admitted that the evidence presented was unverified and potentially unreliable.
So you're deciding the "proper" way to spend citizens paid time off now? Any other ideas on how the "neutral" press can keep the peasants in line?
Yes Jackson was a prosecutor at one time so he knows both sides
I'm from Boston. I was never interested in this case until I recognized Alan Jackson when he was the attorney for Kevin Spacey. Jackson is an exceptional attorney whose fighting for his client's innocence. He & Yanetti have different styles which makes it interesting! I hope it won't be a hung jury. Because if it goes to trial, I would rather my tax $$$ go to a better cause.
Is Sue O'Connell an attorney?
A nerd milf yummy
I didn't get too far .. then I looked, NBC 10. Totally awful. Go find a real job.
There are not twelve people in this country who can get together and convict this woman. It's either Going to be an aquittal Or a hung jury 10 to 2 In favor of not guilty.
If Karen was a Man the support wouldn't be there with this fan club. It's obvious it's a romance gone bad.
I agree on the first part. It is seriously f'd up.
However, on the second part, there is no chance that Read hit O'Keefe with her car. It is far, far, far more likely that she pulled out a baseball bat and whanged him (not that there is any evidence of it, but at least there isn't evidence against it).
Among the many, many, many screw ups by the police: their entire analysis of the accident from the car data, where the whole 24 MPH in reverse came from, was actually data from when they loaded the car onto the flatbed after impound. I'd assume that there aren't any other logs of high acceleration reverses, otherwise, the trooper would have looked into it and realized his mistake. So, at best, we are looking at a low speed collision. A low speed collision that simultaneously left no bruising, but also "projected" him 30 feet.
There was a blizzard. I don't mean from Dairy Queen.
@@Jack-bc5xg that blizzard created snowbanks, which is why they had to floor the car in reverse to get it into the flatbed.
Otherwise, what relevance does a blizzard have?
The SUV has to travel 60 ft to get on a flatbed, no. Blizzard factors in on visibility, trying to collect evidence, John's wounds due to the temperature hence no brushing. It froze his skin .
@@Jack-bc5xgEven if Karen hit him-Dr.Russel testified&Autopsy show beaten to death dog bites & hypothermia-Brian&Colin&Higgins brought John to basement.He reported Colin for dealing drugs-MOTIVE‼️
NBC10 needs to sue their hairstylist! What the hell is up with these 3 people’s hair? Specially the guy. 😳
I think they’re all in disguise in case they get an accessory after the fact charge. 😂😭💅
If not for the “bad optics,” that jury would’ve likely RUN back w their verdict.
A report is not evidence, it's heresay.
The Corruption runs deep
The IT/So called judge in the black robe, I hear took the MBTA home, her normal mode of transportation was needed to sweep up the BS in the courtroom😂
3:41 Ridiculous. "A lot of people... assumed the jury would reach a fast verdict..."
So glad Sue O'Connell said this next: 3:54 - 3:57 "Anybody who tells you when a jury is coming back has no idea what they are talking about in any single case whatsoever." Amen!!! End of Subject.
Like the sandra birchmore case they will all ho down.
The judge is trying her hardest to please the mcalberts.
They probably deliberately made it so no one could hear! That is so effed up that they can’t provide better acoustics!!!!
The reporter sounded like she was laughing at Jackson. I hope she is not in a situation like Karen Read has been in. Shame
You completely missread her laughter, she laughing at the ridiculous notion to not have a not guilty box in a murder trial.
@@marcopalazzo9349 THANK YOU, can’t believe all the people misunderstanding what she is saying. She is clearly praising Jackson and criticizing the court system. She said she talked to lower judges who said they DON’T have the issue of no not guilty box. She even said Jackson pointed out that the other court room was inappropriate because some jurors wouldn’t be able to see. Do these people not understand English????
@@heteroerectus no. The fkr people are very unhinged.
Neither do any of the 60+ witnessed for the CW...or me!
Sue kind of has a snotty attitude. Biased much?
The father of a friend of our family was an attorney; he had argued a case in front of SCOTUS in the 1960’s. Our friend was excited when the OJ jury came back bc her father always said a quick verdict means the jury decided with the Prosecution . I always think about that when waiting to learn a decision. The OJ obviously decision was the rarity.
Hopefully the jury decides for Karen Reed. I am just nervous for her.
I think a fast verdict rather means the jury voted for the obvious outcome. I worry this will be either a hung jury or one of the lower convictions... An obvious non-guilty would have been faster.
@@potocatepetl I worry too.
I heard something similar, that a quick verdict is going to be a guilty verdict.
What SERT report?
Karen is beautiful and smart and classy.
She's trash.
Classy? Did you hear what she called John? She's foul-mouthed. Beautiful? She's hard looking.
Where? Always the bridesmaid never a bride. Old maid and pissed off about it.
Judge had a chip on her shoulder this morning. Karen was taking her own chances. It was inappropriate of the judge to point it out! This isnt high school!
Love Sue!! Past couple of episodes I was getting a bad vibe from her, especially stating that is great that alberts and that snake JCHM should support OFO .... THAT IS NOT RIGHT IT IS MANIPULATION to his family!
Dissing TB also.
Tonight she seems more on track. 🎉
It is proof that John was not kill by vehicle accident????
Well there was expert testimony saying basically that his injuries were not caused by a vehicle in the manner that the prosecution alleged. And also that the damage to the vehicle was not consistent with hitting him in the manner they alleged. It is up to the jury to decide the credibility of that testimony and how much weight to give it.
A paid witness for the defense. Get a clue.
@@Jack-bc5xg Paid witnesses by THE FBI FBI have a 20 year investigation of Canton police department - There will be indictments including The Alberts, Proctor &Tully with their 3,074 page report which includes Sandra Birchmore murder‼️
@@Jack-bc5xg Tell me you didn’t watch the trial without actually typing those words.
@@Jack-bc5xg Not only were the accident reconstructionists not paid witnesses, their independent reports were offered to both the prosecution and the defense. There's a reason Lally didn't call them. If you're going to post a comment at least watch the trial first otherwise you run the risk of appearing a fool. As you just did.
Does anyone find it odd that they were all friends and that she was able to visualize them killing this man, dragging him out, and then conspiring to frame her? Were they the middle-class mafia of Canton, or does she run on empty morally?
She didn't come up with that. All of that came out when they got documents from the FEDS who also investigated!
The FEDS said it wasn't a car accident and they weren't prosecuting....... but corrupt Canton needed to help the Mc-Alberts soooo they charged an innocent woman 💯‼️
She told yanetti she hit him she told her dad to she said she left him at the bar she is a liar
The best comedy show since who framed Rodger rabbit 🐰
GUILTY
Lol Ok McAlbert.
NO EVIDENCE ON PROSECUTION DUDES
What could possibly be taking so long?!? She's innocent
Slimy cops. Slimy Judge. Slimy verdict form.
Whoa! Sue O’Connell could easily be siblings with Rachel Maddow!
I think Karen may have a better chance if it is a hung jury and the case is moved and she gets another judge
The angry pushy KR support ers made up their minds from B4 day one!
Hold proctors beer he will find a SERT report
Thought that it was such a slam dunk she appears to be getting a little nervous im praying for justice for john and his f?friends and especially for the kids that already have been through so much I pray that it is guilty of Manslaughter I think even her defense knows that she is going to be found guilty of 👨 that is why they threw such a fit on he jury instructions on the Manslaughter charge shame on Karen turtle boy her attorneys for stirred up all of this chaos and blaming all of johns friends of murder that town will never be the same because of them just sickening I can only imagine Karen sitting in a jail cell eating her food in the same place that the toilet is entitled narcissist she deserves everything she gets the jury shot of been sequestered I can only imagine the pressure that they feel from all of this just what Karen ordered I just hope if the jury comes back guilty that her fans don't burn down the town maybe her lawyers will stick around to help put out the fire that they created
I'm shocked at how backward the court in Dedham is. Some of their cops lack the appropriate education to work in the public sector. I don't mean to sound green, but I really thought the court there would be as advanced as New York. I mean, states like New York, Connecticut, and Massachusetts have some of our most prestigious universities, so I expect to see what I observed in the Karen Read trial in Mississippi. I'm not disrespecting the South, but they do lag compared to the Northeast and California.
🌸FREE KAREN READ🌸👮♂JUSTICE FOR OFFICER JOHN O'KEEFE👮♂
Free? She not locked up.
@@Jack-bc5xg I know she's not locked up dummy, but she's still not free of these charges.....YET!!! What are you, 12??? You know exactly what my comment meant🙄🙄
Praying for you Karen from Canada 🇨🇦
Sue O’Connell is a joke. Jackson so has a point about the verdict form. And yes he probably should come and fix up the entire justice system because clearly in this case, it’s not working.
Tons of reasonable doubt
Where?
Prayers ❤️ for the jury. Manslaughter. Justice for JOKx
@Sue O'Connel, you are doing an awesome job, Ignore all the negativity, You do not deserve it. Also there is No proof of guilt. Trust me I tried to find it. There is none. Only speculations.
What a bunch of sheep these ppl are standing outside the court house cheering on some person they don’t know - she’s guilty for killing her boyfriend 🤡🌎
She’s Not guilty. I saw the trial. Lead investigator insulting the defendant before doing his investigation, other possible implicated people were not investigated because they were the investigators friends. Erased texts, phone calls, getting rid of dogs and discarded witnesses phones with info about the case, plus scientific evidence that the victim wasn’t dead about a car crash but presented dog bites, meeting between witnesses, etc, etc… shows the corruption in this case. Even the judge didn’t let some important info to get through. The last piece… there wasn’t a box to check “not guilty”. Poor Karen Read I’m happy that this case was televised
It could happen to any of us corrupt police need to be taken to task over this cover-up.
Obviously, an Albert or MCcabe .
Lol Ok McAlbert.
Go back to working as the MacDonald's spokesman.
All the Alberts and McCabe attended John's funeral. Karen didn't
the O'keefes didnt want her to. do you think she should have forced her way in?
Lol yep. Based on that, she is guilty.
That's part of it. It all adds up.
The Alberts & McCabes did not attend John’s funeral
Says so much about her. Not one tear. Absolutely NO remorse for the entire trial. After this trial...she'll turn on anyone if it means she gets what she needs.