Thank you for this video bro, I was told by someone like 10 plus years ago that this was a false sign & that it was a fake sign that Bethel staff would put gold glitter Dust in the vents during worship but I’ve had my own manifestation of glitter in my palms my first time at bethel so yeah, cheers🎉🎉✨✨
My problem is when they alluded that if it made people consider God more then its a good thing. But that is "the ends justifies the means" , but deception is a tool of satan. What other deceptions do they consider is acceptable to get people to believe, or sacrifice something under pretense.
@@LanceJapan can you explain more why you see it as a deceptive thing? I think we were coming from a place on trying to figure out how to judge this thing, and we were thinking “well lets judge the fruit of it and if the fruit was that it caused people to turn to God, then perhaps it isn’t some tool of Satan. Why would Satan want people to turn to God?”
@@williammacivor3374 The meaning is that we cannot do deceptive things just because it ends up good. The attitude displayed at one point was that "it made people more dedicated, so even if it was a deception, well its not so terrible". We cannot hold that attitude for any thing. My comment is not related to whether I think the cloud is real or fake, I am commenting on morally correct thinking and acting. I hope that clears up my point.
@@LanceJapan thanks for clarifying but I don’t know what you are referring to by “doing deceptive things”. I agree that no one in the church should be doing things to deceive people. And in this particular situation I am not aware of anyone doing anything to deceive anyone.
@@williammacivor3374 Sorry, in this case I was not accusing anyone of doing deceptive things but commenting on a very small comment made by the guy where he mentioned or thought (paraphrased) "well if it helps people be more dedicated to the the Lord then its probably OK (even if deceptive, i.e. if it were a fake cloud)". But I think that is a slippery slope if we start to entertain that idea. Thanks for your considerate questioning of comment.
@@guitarandgospel ok, I agree then, I’m not in favor of doing deceptive things in order to get the results that we think are good. Thanks for clarifying
If Bethel wanted nay sayers to stop calling them out (hint: they won’t as long as Bethel insists on teaching false doctrines!), they could easily silence many by taking Justin Peters up on his challenge! He said he would publicly apologize to Bill Johnson as well as take down his entire TH-cam ministry if only Bill would show us the actual angel feathers they “must” have. (Honestly, if angel feathers were falling from heaven, someone would want to keep one?!) take one to the fish & game people and verify they are not bird feathers, or even identifiable at all! The toes that supposedly grew back on one lady under Bill’s teaching, those have been proven false. Her toes are still the same as they were before her great “miracle”. I’m thinking the angel feathers and glory dust are much of the same…fabricated. False churches produce bad fruit. Sorry. We are called to follow the Scriptures, not twist them for our own gain. Bethel and its leadership needs to be marked and avoided according to the actual, written Word of God. (Which is what we go by, not the extra-biblical words men and women try to claim came from God….you actually have to know Who He is to claim to know what He says, and you will find what He says IN THE BIBLE)
"Mark and avoid" in Rom. 16:17 was in reference to people who teach a gospel contrary to the gospel of grace that Paul taught - justification by faith, which is the theme of Romans. It doesn't mean you mark and avoid everybody who acts weird or teaches something you disagree with on a nonessential doctrinal matter.
Interesting. In light of the videos from those people working there, witnessed the craft store glitter in the air/ heating ducts. Some of them had even participated.
Total nonsense! All that was is dust from the ceiling and surrounding structures that weren't cleaned. People were too lazy to do their job. To falsely attribute something to God is to blaspheme his name.
This is so stupid. It is always shocking how people will believe ANYTHING. Everything God does in His Word has a purpose! What is the value of claiming atmospheric dust is a cloud sent by God??
I think we first have to ask did something really happen. Clearly something happened. The next question is how did it happen. And I can find no evidence that it was from natural causes or by people faking it. I literally am the guy who cleaned the rafters and ac ducting there. It was not dust. And no way did anyone put glitter in the vents. Once again I would have known and seen it. The evidence points toward either a supernatural phenomenon or a natural phenomenon. I can't say for sure it was God, and I don't know why it happened. But what is stupid, is people who weren't there and haven't interviewed any people who were there, and don't have any other knowledge beside there assumptions being so confident as to what happened.
@@williammacivor3374 Jesus said, "blessed are those who have not seen yet believe. " Being there at the time is not required to make an assessment of the claims in the Clear Light of scripture. That is where the confidence is.
@@foestrang I don't think that quotation of scripture helps your argument. It is out of context, and the one blessed is the one who believes. In that case in order for you to be blessed you would need to believe in the glory cloud without having been there. Just saying. But anyways, what is the claim that is being made? and what clear passage of scripture makes it so easy to dismiss any thoughtful consideration of what happened with the cloud appearing?
@@williammacivor3374 The Scrpture reference butresses my point. The claim by Bethel sycophants that God caused a 'Cloud of Glory' to appear in a sanctuary. HOW does this honor God and promote His Good News? Who actually gets glory? Bill and the congregants at Bethel to boast incessantly about 'a move of God' ? A move that is empty as an illusionist's box. Not a move of God at all. About as real as the toes regenerating or raising toddlers from the dead.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 KJV [8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [10] and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [12] that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I’ve been waiting for this video like this for years . I was there that night and saw it all. Flew up there just to see it. I remeber some lady with jewels in her hand she said she found on the ground. Also, can someone please tell me about the white pyramid on the Alabaster House?
Glad the video was helpful in some way. Like I said in one of these videos I have worked at Bethel since 2007, mostly in the facilities dept. and what I have been told and have always understood that the white pyramid was to represent was the tongues of fire that appeared on the heads of those in Acts 2:3. It is white so that at night it can be illuminated with red and orange lights to look like fire, obviously very stylized, but that is the purpose as far as I know.
Does the Lord God of truth manifest Himself to those who teach heresy and falsely prophecy? What does light have to do with darkness, lies with truth, the Son of God with the great DECEIVER? To believe such an obvious hoax/lie only indicates one loves a lie more than the truth. Bill Johnson is a wolf shepherding a bunch of goats.
somebody who has studied and is an expert (trained scientist ) in the properties of metals .....mineralogist would be somebody who has studied and is a scientist in the study of minerals...
I believe it was rigged...God doesn't need to have something like this...there is no reason for this to happen...the Lord can touch and talk to your heart without the need of smoke and mirrors.
@@williammacivor3374 people will believe anything these days…next thing you know, angel feathers and precious stones will fall from the sky…look for God, not this fake glory dust…
@@williammacivor3374What about the angel feathers? How cone nobody at Bethel seems to have any of these feathers? They just talk about them but don't show them.
@@cricket34 I’ve seen people with feathers. All the times I have seen people with them they are usually rather small. Like what you see in a down jacket. I’m not convinced people aren’t just mistaking feathers that come from clothes as feathers from heaven Some people save them and stick them in their Bibles. But the overall culture isn’t to collect them, usually people just get excited because they think it is evidence of the nearness of God and that He is present to do the miraculous. But I can’t speak for everyone here that is just what I have witnessed. Bethel isn’t really interested in defending itself against its critics, they just kind of try to keep focused on what they are focused on, that is one reason why they are never gonna try to prove the feathers are angelic.
The reputation/proof of this institution teaching things that do not align with and outright contradict Scripture is all I need to know. The dude being interviewed and presented as a former cop, I assume to create the illusion of credibility, although there are thousands of incidents that prove otherwise, is pretty convenient as well. I am not judging anyone as my sins are disgusting, but misleading seekers who desire genuine fellowship with Christ, is not right on any level. Thankfully God is in control, these displays of supernatural or miraculous phenonmenon by the deceiver ARE written in Scripture, none of it is a surprise to Him. All things work for good in the end and I am convinced He will right this wrong as well.
you should never assume, also I am curious, are you saying that you don't believe I was in Law-enforcement and did you watch the whole interview or just have an opinion?
Thank you for this video bro,
I was told by someone like 10 plus years ago that this was a false sign & that it was a fake sign that Bethel staff would put gold glitter
Dust in the vents during worship but
I’ve had my own manifestation of glitter in my palms my first time at bethel so yeah, cheers🎉🎉✨✨
Thanks man
Very cool video and love the perspective of an actual eye witness who personally investigated it in person rather then just online as a heretic hunter
It was glitter.....if God wanted to perform a miracle of such nature, ther would be Zero question as to its authenticity
Just like there were no mockers on the Day of Pentecost?
not true. look in the gospels. JESUS performed miracles and there was question as "to it's authenticity." when GOD moves, people are going to doubt.
Hey. It is called a wonder..
Also if it was glitter well how come some times it ascends from the floor?
God bless you
My problem is when they alluded that if it made people consider God more then its a good thing. But that is "the ends justifies the means" , but deception is a tool of satan. What other deceptions do they consider is acceptable to get people to believe, or sacrifice something under pretense.
@@LanceJapan can you explain more why you see it as a deceptive thing? I think we were coming from a place on trying to figure out how to judge this thing, and we were thinking “well lets judge the fruit of it and if the fruit was that it caused people to turn to God, then perhaps it isn’t some tool of Satan. Why would Satan want people to turn to God?”
@@williammacivor3374 The meaning is that we cannot do deceptive things just because it ends up good. The attitude displayed at one point was that "it made people more dedicated, so even if it was a deception, well its not so terrible". We cannot hold that attitude for any thing. My comment is not related to whether I think the cloud is real or fake, I am commenting on morally correct thinking and acting. I hope that clears up my point.
@@LanceJapan thanks for clarifying but I don’t know what you are referring to by “doing deceptive things”. I agree that no one in the church should be doing things to deceive people. And in this particular situation I am not aware of anyone doing anything to deceive anyone.
@@williammacivor3374 Sorry, in this case I was not accusing anyone of doing deceptive things but commenting on a very small comment made by the guy where he mentioned or thought (paraphrased) "well if it helps people be more dedicated to the the Lord then its probably OK (even if deceptive, i.e. if it were a fake cloud)". But I think that is a slippery slope if we start to entertain that idea. Thanks for your considerate questioning of comment.
@@guitarandgospel ok, I agree then, I’m not in favor of doing deceptive things in order to get the results that we think are good. Thanks for clarifying
If the glory of God appeared people would be on their faces not taking selfies and acting silly. This is deception.
It appeared in our church in the Philippines. 🤩🤩🤩 we were on our faces.
some said it thundered...!
If Bethel wanted nay sayers to stop calling them out (hint: they won’t as long as Bethel insists on teaching false doctrines!), they could easily silence many by taking Justin Peters up on his challenge! He said he would publicly apologize to Bill Johnson as well as take down his entire TH-cam ministry if only Bill would show us the actual angel feathers they “must” have. (Honestly, if angel feathers were falling from heaven, someone would want to keep one?!) take one to the fish & game people and verify they are not bird feathers, or even identifiable at all! The toes that supposedly grew back on one lady under Bill’s teaching, those have been proven false. Her toes are still the same as they were before her great “miracle”. I’m thinking the angel feathers and glory dust are much of the same…fabricated.
False churches produce bad fruit. Sorry. We are called to follow the Scriptures, not twist them for our own gain.
Bethel and its leadership needs to be marked and avoided according to the actual, written Word of God. (Which is what we go by, not the extra-biblical words men and women try to claim came from God….you actually have to know Who He is to claim to know what He says, and you will find what He says IN THE BIBLE)
"Mark and avoid" in Rom. 16:17 was in reference to people who teach a gospel contrary to the gospel of grace that Paul taught - justification by faith, which is the theme of Romans. It doesn't mean you mark and avoid everybody who acts weird or teaches something you disagree with on a nonessential doctrinal matter.
Interesting. In light of the videos from those people working there, witnessed the craft store glitter in the air/ heating ducts. Some of them had even participated.
Love it. Thank you for sharing. I've seen it as well, glorious ❤
Total nonsense! All that was is dust from the ceiling and surrounding structures that weren't cleaned. People were too lazy to do their job. To falsely attribute something to God is to blaspheme his name.
This is great work. It would be even better if you let the person speak without interrupting. Hard to watch because of the interruption.
nah, interruptions are the best.
This is so stupid. It is always shocking how people will believe ANYTHING. Everything God does in His Word has a purpose! What is the value of claiming atmospheric dust is a cloud sent by God??
I think we first have to ask did something really happen. Clearly something happened. The next question is how did it happen. And I can find no evidence that it was from natural causes or by people faking it. I literally am the guy who cleaned the rafters and ac ducting there. It was not dust. And no way did anyone put glitter in the vents. Once again I would have known and seen it. The evidence points toward either a supernatural phenomenon or a natural phenomenon. I can't say for sure it was God, and I don't know why it happened. But what is stupid, is people who weren't there and haven't interviewed any people who were there, and don't have any other knowledge beside there assumptions being so confident as to what happened.
@@williammacivor3374 Jesus said, "blessed are those who have not seen yet believe. " Being there at the time is not required to make an assessment of the claims in the Clear Light of scripture. That is where the confidence is.
@@foestrang I don't think that quotation of scripture helps your argument. It is out of context, and the one blessed is the one who believes. In that case in order for you to be blessed you would need to believe in the glory cloud without having been there. Just saying.
But anyways, what is the claim that is being made? and what clear passage of scripture makes it so easy to dismiss any thoughtful consideration of what happened with the cloud appearing?
@@williammacivor3374 The Scrpture reference butresses my point. The claim by Bethel sycophants that God caused a 'Cloud of Glory' to appear in a sanctuary. HOW does this honor God and promote His Good News? Who actually gets glory? Bill and the congregants at Bethel to boast incessantly about 'a move of God' ? A move that is empty as an illusionist's box. Not a move of God at all. About as real as the toes regenerating or raising toddlers from the dead.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 KJV
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [10] and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [12] that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Is this due to Bill being an NAR apostle that he’s able to do these clouds, angle feathers, and gold dust there at Bethel?
I’ve been waiting for this video like this for years . I was there that night and saw it all. Flew up there just to see it. I remeber some lady with jewels in her hand she said she found on the ground. Also, can someone please tell me about the white pyramid on the Alabaster House?
Glad the video was helpful in some way. Like I said in one of these videos I have worked at Bethel since 2007, mostly in the facilities dept. and what I have been told and have always understood that the white pyramid was to represent was the tongues of fire that appeared on the heads of those in Acts 2:3. It is white so that at night it can be illuminated with red and orange lights to look like fire, obviously very stylized, but that is the purpose as far as I know.
@@williammacivor3374What about the "angel feathers."?
Does the Lord God of truth manifest Himself to those who teach heresy and falsely prophecy? What does light have to do with darkness, lies with truth, the Son of God with the great DECEIVER? To believe such an obvious hoax/lie only indicates one loves a lie more than the truth. Bill Johnson is a wolf shepherding a bunch of goats.
Metallurgist
somebody who has studied and is an expert (trained scientist ) in the properties of metals .....mineralogist would be somebody who has studied and is a scientist in the study of minerals...
I believe it was rigged...God doesn't need to have something like this...there is no reason for this to happen...the Lord can touch and talk to your heart without the need of smoke and mirrors.
I agree God doesn't need it. But living there and working there, I can not find any evidence that it was rigged and I've searched.
@@williammacivor3374 people will believe anything these days…next thing you know, angel feathers and precious stones will fall from the sky…look for God, not this fake glory dust…
@@williammacivor3374 i love Bethel!
@@williammacivor3374What about the angel feathers? How cone nobody at Bethel seems to have any of these feathers? They just talk about them but don't show them.
@@cricket34 I’ve seen people with feathers. All the times I have seen people with them they are usually rather small. Like what you see in a down jacket. I’m not convinced people aren’t just mistaking feathers that come from clothes as feathers from heaven Some people save them and stick them in their Bibles. But the overall culture isn’t to collect them, usually people just get excited because they think it is evidence of the nearness of God and that He is present to do the miraculous. But I can’t speak for everyone here that is just what I have witnessed. Bethel isn’t really interested in defending itself against its critics, they just kind of try to keep focused on what they are focused on, that is one reason why they are never gonna try to prove the feathers are angelic.
The reputation/proof of this institution teaching things that do not align with and outright contradict Scripture is all I need to know. The dude being interviewed and presented as a former cop, I assume to create the illusion of credibility, although there are thousands of incidents that prove otherwise, is pretty convenient as well. I am not judging anyone as my sins are disgusting, but misleading seekers who desire genuine fellowship with Christ, is not right on any level. Thankfully God is in control, these displays of supernatural or miraculous phenonmenon by the deceiver ARE written in Scripture, none of it is a surprise to Him. All things work for good in the end and I am convinced He will right this wrong as well.
you should never assume, also I am curious, are you saying that you don't believe I was in Law-enforcement and did you watch the whole interview or just have an opinion?