A video on suspension and steering geometry would be great. Discussing roll centers, anti’s, bumpsteer, etc and even comparing them to the road car to highlight the differences and why would be enlightening as there is so little information out there that is rally specific.
This is another brilliant video, I learn so much every episode, but please so many questions. 1. Why put grease on rough roads? 2. McPherson is not a brand I heard of where do you guys buy them, 3. Why does Hayden go out and walk past reception guy in every episode is he getting his steps in for the day? 4. After getting adapted to those beautiful eyebrows I dream of a new regulations Hayden with a Freddie Mercury handlebar moustache….. I have said too much. Looking forward to next episode thanks Hyundai and Hayden.
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Lemme think: Ride height, roll centers, front and rear, changes in roll center due to body roll, instantaneous centers, weight transfer due to body roll, front and rear roll stiffness, camber change due to body roll, damper jounce and rebound., spring rates... all interrelated. Crazy. All for fun!
I have to thank Hyundai motorsports for taking the time to create such in-depth technical videos that explain the different systems of a rally car. As a car enthusiast and engineer, I hope one day to make my dream come true of becoming a motorsports design engineer. These videos have reignited the fire 🔥 to make it happen. PS if y'all have any dampers sitting around, I'd love the chance to retrofit it to my genesis coupe 😂😂.
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I never knew there were so many adjustments on a suspension setup. I knew about spring rates and ride height but not the compression and rebound adjustments plus swaybar. Back in the day when I rallied a mk 1 escort it was Bilstein dampers front and rear. I had V6 Ford Capri coils in front for extra ride height and a couple of extra leaves in the leaf spring on the rear with anti tramp rods on each side and LSD of course. I remember the first time the Audi Quattros were in the NZ international rally and the speed difference between 2 wheel drive and 4 wheel drive cars out of corners. Just amazing!
It is crazy how far suspension tech has come, and you are so right, there are so many variables nowadays, and no two drivers run the same setup! We like the sound of your Escort though, bet that was fun 🙌
@ Probably the best times of my life competing in hill climbs and rallies around the Auckland region and Rotorua and Tokoroa. I loved watching Rally NZ and remember Ari Vatanen how he could have his MK 11 Escort screaming fully sideways and still wave to the spectators. 🚗
Why you guys using macpherson strut over a double wishbone setup? Is it due to the road car using it and for regs you need to as well or is there another advantage using this setup rather?
Yeah, we have to use the same general layout of the production car. Plus, McPherson struts are cheaper, lighter, and leave more space. Although with the long control arms and high angle struts, you can get very close to the Double wishbone geometry too, while keeping the benefits of the McPherson 😁
How do you balance the damper in a fast rally like Finland with fast corners and high grip and jumps? What do you search for in different damper brands/models?
I have a Toyota MR2 with KW 2 way adjustable dampers. With the same settings front and rear the car is super nervous on turn in so I am finding that I need to have the front compression set stiffer than the rear to introduce a bit of turn in understeer for stability but I'm finding it difficult to tell how best to set up the rebound. I can only test on the road so these subtler settings are tricky to interpret. Should stiffer front rebound v rear increase stability further, or does it actually speed up the cornering response at the front offsetting the stabilising compression setting? Thanks.
@HMSGOfficial oui dans l ensemble la traduction a du sens mais defois c'est un peu incompréhensible car c'est pas la bonne traduction, c'est pas bien grave je regarde la vidéo plusieurs fois pour bien comprendre , je me réjouis d avoir ce genre de vidéo donc je vais pas trop râler ☺️
If you have any questions about suspension, hit us up in the comments below!
A video on suspension and steering geometry would be great. Discussing roll centers, anti’s, bumpsteer, etc and even comparing them to the road car to highlight the differences and why would be enlightening as there is so little information out there that is rally specific.
Please come challenge Subaru Team USA in the US. It would help dealership sales, lol just saying!!
second this. I'm a Subaru fan, but ARA is holding on by a thread with 1 manufacturing team.
This is another brilliant video, I learn so much every episode, but please so many questions. 1. Why put grease on rough roads? 2. McPherson is not a brand I heard of where do you guys buy them,
3. Why does Hayden go out and walk past reception guy in every episode is he getting his steps in for the day? 4. After getting adapted to those beautiful eyebrows I dream of a new regulations Hayden with a Freddie Mercury handlebar moustache…..
I have said too much.
Looking forward to next episode thanks Hyundai and Hayden.
@@SamAlbertRally very good idea
These videos are brilliant. Getting into the setup of these cars in this level of detail is amazing! Thanks a bunch for putting this stuff out there!
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Hayden is such a nice guy, unbelievable. & a great mechanic!
He really knows his stuff, and is as nice as he seems, we can vouch for that 🙌
That is amazing content. It is the first time I am ever considering rally 2 setups and parts
We are so glad you like it! ☺️ Anything else you want to see us explain?
@@HMSGOfficial Brakes, brake balance, suspension parts and geometry adjustment available for Rally 2.
We will see what we can do 😉
Great video! I'm an engine guy, but this convinced me that suspension folks are in a league of their own.
Lemme think: Ride height, roll centers, front and rear, changes in roll center due to body roll, instantaneous centers, weight transfer due to body roll, front and rear roll stiffness, camber change due to body roll, damper jounce and rebound., spring rates... all interrelated. Crazy. All for fun!
It is a true art form all in itself! 🙌
It is insane isn't it lol!
I have to thank Hyundai motorsports for taking the time to create such in-depth technical videos that explain the different systems of a rally car. As a car enthusiast and engineer, I hope one day to make my dream come true of becoming a motorsports design engineer. These videos have reignited the fire 🔥 to make it happen. PS if y'all have any dampers sitting around, I'd love the chance to retrofit it to my genesis coupe 😂😂.
This message makes us happy! We are glad you like the videos and hope you get to fulfil your dreams! 🙌
@HMSGOfficial Thank you so much. I'll keep fighting to make it a reality.
@@calebacquah292 That's the best way! Maybe one day you will end up working for Hyundai Motorsport 😉
@HMSGOfficial That's the goal 💪🏿💪🏿
Thanks for taking the time to share this. Very well explained.
We are so glad you liked it! Anything else you would like us to cover in this series?
@HMSGOfficial I'm still watching the series. You are covering everything I like so far. Thank you.
That means a lot to us! Let us know what you think ☺️
LOVE THIS SERIES!
We are feeling the love, thank you! Anything specific you would like to see us cover in the series? 🤔
As a clubman in motorsport this was very interesting learning and easy to follow! Fantastic 👍
We are happy you enjoyed it! What other topics would you like to see us explain?
Great video, will definitely use some tips on my Hyundai i20N 🤟🤟🤟
Good to know! Anything else you would like us to cover in our Rally 101 videos?
Great great video from you guys!
Thank you 🫶
Our pleasure! Is there anything specific you would like to see us cover in these Rally 101 videos in the future?
I freaking love this format ❤️.
We freaking love that you love it! Anything you would us to cover we haven't yet?
@HMSGOfficial driving would be nice !
We have an amazing video coming up about exactly this! We think you will like it a lot 😁 make sure you subscribe and hit the bell so you don't miss it when it drops 🔔
@@HMSGOfficial can't wait 😁
Fantastic videos!😎
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Great thank you so much for sharing!
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Your videos have been amazing lately! Can I use this knowledge on my GR Yaris or is there some rivalry going on 😅
You are too kind! And of course, use away, we will just pretend you said you have a i20 N 😉
I never knew there were so many adjustments on a suspension setup. I knew about spring rates and ride height but not the compression and rebound adjustments plus swaybar.
Back in the day when I rallied a mk 1 escort it was Bilstein dampers front and rear. I had V6 Ford Capri coils in front for extra ride height and a couple of extra leaves in the leaf spring on the rear with anti tramp rods on each side and LSD of course. I remember the first time the Audi Quattros were in the NZ international rally and the speed difference between 2 wheel drive and 4 wheel drive cars out of corners. Just amazing!
It is crazy how far suspension tech has come, and you are so right, there are so many variables nowadays, and no two drivers run the same setup! We like the sound of your Escort though, bet that was fun 🙌
@ Probably the best times of my life competing in hill climbs and rallies around the Auckland region and Rotorua and Tokoroa. I loved watching Rally NZ and remember Ari Vatanen how he could have his MK 11 Escort screaming fully sideways and still wave to the spectators. 🚗
We take it you are a big Hayden fan? 😁
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Why you guys using macpherson strut over a double wishbone setup? Is it due to the road car using it and for regs you need to as well or is there another advantage using this setup rather?
Yeah, we have to use the same general layout of the production car. Plus, McPherson struts are cheaper, lighter, and leave more space. Although with the long control arms and high angle struts, you can get very close to the Double wishbone geometry too, while keeping the benefits of the McPherson 😁
How do you balance the damper in a fast rally like Finland with fast corners and high grip and jumps? What do you search for in different damper brands/models?
I have a Toyota MR2 with KW 2 way adjustable dampers. With the same settings front and rear the car is super nervous on turn in so I am finding that I need to have the front compression set stiffer than the rear to introduce a bit of turn in understeer for stability but I'm finding it difficult to tell how best to set up the rebound. I can only test on the road so these subtler settings are tricky to interpret.
Should stiffer front rebound v rear increase stability further, or does it actually speed up the cornering response at the front offsetting the stabilising compression setting?
Thanks.
Cheers Hayden
Cheers 🍻
Any teams using Multimatic spool valve dampers?
So for those in the North American market, like myself, which Hyundai do you think would be the best base to build up a rally car from?
Well, you can actually buy the full Rally2 car for €200k...if you have it lying down the back of your sofa 😉 Can you get the i20 N where you are?
You can tell he's a kiwi by the way he greets the team, got that classic kiwi wave 👋🏻😂
You know it! 😂
Not 2 mention the accent..
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Glad you like it! ☺️
Super vidéo mais dommage qu'il parle très vite c'est pas facile de lire la traduction..
Désolé ! Comment sont les sous-titres générés automatiquement ? Ont-ils du sens pour vous, même s'ils sont un peu rapides ?
@HMSGOfficial oui dans l ensemble la traduction a du sens mais defois c'est un peu incompréhensible car c'est pas la bonne traduction, c'est pas bien grave je regarde la vidéo plusieurs fois pour bien comprendre , je me réjouis d avoir ce genre de vidéo donc je vais pas trop râler ☺️
@@ced-driver Nous apprécions votre patience et votre engagement !
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We like the question mark...Yippeee! I am happy...or am I? 😉
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Right back at ya 🫶
Hayden back to WRC!