As a longtime fan of the little guy from St. Florian, I DELIGHT in his horn writing, especially in the 7th and 9th. Beyond grand! (And my heart went out to a certain eminent horn player a few years back here in Seattle, when his lip cracked on the very last note of the 9th--ouch!). Thanks to these great artists for passing this majestic music along, and sharing these fascinating insights!
This is so great. Not many realize the amount of effort to play these chorales. I remember my first times in orchestra, I would always turn and look at the horns in their solos. From the back of the 2nd violins to the front of the violas. The back of the viola section was the best view of the horns and their amazingness. Dvorak has a nice chorale in the cello concerto. I mainly listened the the germans in my youth. I loved Mahler first but when I heard Bruckner I was just stunned. Great brass parts, chorales for horns, horns when they get that blasting sound like in Ma Vlast. Why does Mahler 4 only have 4 horns? Bruckner mostly has 8, right? There is that great solo at the end of M9, with the flute, so surreal. Anyway,, you guys are so in tune, it is truly amazing. For me only Mahler and Bruckner could slow time. So I guess some symphonies play these parts on french horns? I love hearing these parts by themselves, I can still hear the orchestra in the background. My wish would be to play the big climax in M9 last mvt. Those horns with that melody fortissimo, it's not very long but such a wonderful part. Anyway no one will read this, I cannot tell you how impressive and wonderful you guys are. You get to play these masterworks in all the glory of sound, I might just be a viola player but playing in an orchestra is the most amazing thing. I always wondered what % of people in the world ever played in a symphony orchestra, around .1% or .01%? It has to be small. Last thing, I grew up listening to the 4th and 7th symphonies but as I grew older I went to the 5th and 8th. Those have pretty great horn parts but not as well known, I mean you guys know for sure. So do you guys study all 4 or 8 parts in case you have to switch or do people study 1 part only and don't move. Or you do you stay odd or even? haha
Love you Fergus. Love you Klaus. Love you Stefan...and Stefan. Love you Sarah, because I'm a tuba player and love low stuff and how important it can be. Love you Andrej, especially because you know how you fit into the section, and accept it, and do it so terrifically well. Love all you guys. And gals.
It makes me feel much better to see that Dohr has an embouchure similar to mine... I've always thought mine to be weird/incorrect at times. Thank you for the video!
Donald Runnicles' Bruckner No. 8 in C-Minor has a few awesome moments for the Wagner tuben in F: at the end of the third mvt. and at the end of the piece. The cameraman catches it.
I never thought Wagnertuben were commonly doubled by horn players. maybe it was my preconception that those instruments only belong in German brass bands and that style of pomp and polka playing? Wonderful sound they have, a natural for many F horn players to branch in to
That's because you are confusing Wagner Tubas with Tenorhorns. Wagner tubas are never used in bands, they are essentially only used in some Wagner, Strauss and Bruckner's works. The instrument you are thinking are the Tenorhorn/Baritonhorn. They are similar in shape but are more similar to the euphonium or other saxhorns, they use trombone mouthpiece and right-hand valves Wagner Tuba uses horn mouthpiece and left hand valves, so it's played by horn players
Wonder why the audio channels were reversed in this one? Please notice the portion around 9:25 into the video as an example. That said, I still enjoyed the video just the same.
I feel like an idiot....I've been playing for 45 years and I have NEVER seen this instrument. Can you please explain? I play 16 different instruments and I feel like a fool never to have seen this one.
I think it is mostly of use in European countries as that is it's history (German brass bands) though it has a lyrical voice all it's own and fits well in the middle voice of many orchestral works by western composers. it's sort of a niche instrument, how it came to be but lends itself to other venues. they come in a few sizes. I did not know about them myself until about the mid 90's when I got in to the history of some brass instruments and scoured the libraries for resources before internet. I have not seen one in person to this day, however but love to see them played here on YT
@@pauls5745 I didn't think Wagner tubas had anything to do with German brass bands whose instruments are largely the saxhorn family invented by Adolf Sax? Wagner tubas are not saxhorns: they came later and were invented by Richard Wagner specifically for use in his "Ring" Cycle. I do not think he ever used them again. The few composers who took them up were influenced by Wagner e.g. Bruckner, Richard Strauss.
Looks like some or all have some kind of tuning bit or similar extension between the leadpipe and mouthpiece. Anyone know what that's about? Are those commercially available or custom jobs?
Being in the heart of Deutschland, some of those in the Berlin also probably play at Bayreuth. Listen to the Germans speaking English. They sound much more like American English than British.
Firstly, they were developed independently, as Wagner tubas were made by request of Wagner for his ring cycle. (Although the design was probably inspired by saxhorns). The biggest differences are the mouthpiece, as Wagner tubas use french horn mouthpiece, while Tenor/baritonhorns use trombone mouthpiece. The valves are used on the left hand, like on french horns. Also Wagner tubas are usually in F, while euphoniums and the like are in Bb
Great horn playing!!! I just switched over to French horn from trumpet and am fighting with the intonation and articulation issues still, so I can really appreciate the musicianship. Now. Bruckner Tubas? I've never seen those before. Is it a cross between a French horn, tenor horn and tuba? What mouthpieces do you did you use? Sorry but I'm one of those gear heads; any values such as inner rim diameter, cup, bore, make etc. would be greatly appreciated.
Greg Monks Hey Greg long time :) I picked up one of the new Yamaha 871Ds last year., in fact I got the third one in Canada. Makes a great "horn sound" but it's going to take a little longer to really change/rebuild my embouchure for horn. I've heard those Wagners are difficult to control
Wagner Tubas are essentially a bass french horn. They were developed by request of Wagner as he wanted an instrument with timbre midway between french horns and trombones. They have been scored for very rarely, also because the instrument honestly has serious design issues (small horn mouthpiece, awkward shape, difficult intonation) Nowadays we have instruments like the Tenorhorn or the Euphonium that work better for the purpose
@Willem: these are Wagnertubas. Very expensive at Alexander, .... but worth the price ... !!! @jonniegrant93: Thats 'Fidele Grünröcke', in the first part of 'Grüne Hefte'. We play this always in the evening after the first bit of red wine at our conventions of eight (horns)! :):) Perhaps You know ... otherwise: www.spaeth-schmid.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p3834_LIEBERT-arr-----Waldhornquartette-Band-1---gruene-Hefte--.html. Very nice to play. If your are playing the french horn ... you will love these very much! @Marie: If Stefan will wear the same shirt, will stand on his head and shake his ears, I wont care .... just let me hear him!!!!!
I have been studying the Bruckner's 7th Symphony. But I cannot find the damn part they are playing in the beggining. Maybe I am looking in the wrong part. Help? :P
It happend to me too. Sorry bout my english, im from Argentina. The first excerpt they play at the video its from Bruckner's 7th Symphony, 4th movement, between bars 143-147. I hope this will help you! Bye!
Hi, I'd like to buy the instrument on the left hand as you play four colleagues at the beginning of the video, if you can get the information I would much appreciate it.
These aren't tenor horns. (Did you recognize that the valves are on the left like on horns?) These are Wagner Tubas. Even though I would never recommend anyone to buy an instrument online without having tried it before, here's a page where you could buy one: www.wessex-tubas.com/shop/horns/wagner-tuba/fh250-wagner-horn/ Wagner Tubas aren't produced very often because they're pretty much only required in romantic pieces. (I don't have one myself although I play the horn for 20 years now)
You mean the horn itself as the players do exceptionally well. If the former, I understand what you mean. I think it would have to do with the mouthpiece and lead pipe being much smaller than a tenor or baritone range instrument that are specifically designed for living down there.. I like the Bruckner Tubas and would love to take one for a spin. I wonder if they're as "unstable" as a French horn with as many partials?
Embouchure* sorry lol ...although there is an ideal lip position. Nobody has the same mouth. Whatever works and sounds beautiful is probably an ideal embouchure for you. I spent a lot of time looking at myself at mirror, buzzing, imitating, and freebuzzing. As long as you are not doing somsthing so bizarre that it is unbearably horrible, it is fine
a german classical musician complaining about the music in B being heavy , serious, and sad, cracks me up. Dude, you are German! (Just half kidding). move to California and become a pop musician!! Kidding!
This video is a must for every Bruckner lover.
I finally got myslef a Wagner Tuba... I have NO idea what I'm going to do with it. But I have it and that's better than not right?
Totally agree! - Heinz
Better to have and not need than need and not have
You could join a marching band
YO IS THAT HIM
you could try and play it? could be fun?
It's such a beautiful instrument, the Wagner tuba. Just like a horn, but far more sonorous and rich. I get goosebumps from every note they play.
It's like a super-duper low horn.
It's a really bad instrument to play with lots of design issues
Other saxhorns like euphonium and tenor Horn are much better
@@Baribrotzer well you can technically play lower on horn, its just easier on wagner tuba, same deal with trombone and euphonium
This is why the Berlin Phil horns are awesome. Thank you so much for making such great videos for the horn community around the world!
Thanks for posting - horn section certainly has a fun personality!
As a longtime fan of the little guy from St. Florian, I DELIGHT in his horn writing, especially in the 7th and 9th. Beyond grand! (And my heart went out to a certain eminent horn player a few years back here in Seattle, when his lip cracked on the very last note of the 9th--ouch!). Thanks to these great artists for passing this majestic music along, and sharing these fascinating insights!
This is so great. Not many realize the amount of effort to play these chorales. I remember my first times in orchestra, I would always turn and look at the horns in their solos. From the back of the 2nd violins to the front of the violas. The back of the viola section was the best view of the horns and their amazingness. Dvorak has a nice chorale in the cello concerto. I mainly listened the the germans in my youth. I loved Mahler first but when I heard Bruckner I was just stunned. Great brass parts, chorales for horns, horns when they get that blasting sound like in Ma Vlast. Why does Mahler 4 only have 4 horns? Bruckner mostly has 8, right? There is that great solo at the end of M9, with the flute, so surreal.
Anyway,, you guys are so in tune, it is truly amazing. For me only Mahler and Bruckner could slow time. So I guess some symphonies play these parts on french horns? I love hearing these parts by themselves, I can still hear the orchestra in the background. My wish would be to play the big climax in M9 last mvt. Those horns with that melody fortissimo, it's not very long but such a wonderful part. Anyway no one will read this, I cannot tell you how impressive and wonderful you guys are. You get to play these masterworks in all the glory of sound, I might just be a viola player but playing in an orchestra is the most amazing thing. I always wondered what % of people in the world ever played in a symphony orchestra, around .1% or .01%? It has to be small.
Last thing, I grew up listening to the 4th and 7th symphonies but as I grew older I went to the 5th and 8th. Those have pretty great horn parts but not as well known, I mean you guys know for sure. So do you guys study all 4 or 8 parts in case you have to switch or do people study 1 part only and don't move. Or you do you stay odd or even? haha
That huge sound at 7:56 and 1:28 I have great respect for that kind of low range ability on the horn and Wagner tuba
After this, every time I hear Bruckner 7, I will imagine Stefan Walking in the back with diving mask on...
Love you Fergus. Love you Klaus. Love you Stefan...and Stefan. Love you Sarah, because I'm a tuba player and love low stuff and how important it can be. Love you Andrej, especially because you know how you fit into the section, and accept it, and do it so terrifically well. Love all you guys.
And gals.
I extremly love Bruckner's 7th. 🙏🎵❤
Sarah Willis is... Woah.
Dibs.
A little intense?
wunderbar
Great low playing, Sarah, and great sound all!!!!!
Andre's video was THE BEST.
Always so informative yet silly and sassy at the same time! Thanks for some summer practicing inspiration!!!
Great!!! and especially at 6:24 Beautiful!!
"I don't have any favourite bits. I'm the new guy, I just have to play everything." got me laughing out loud.
Stefan Jeziersky so funny!!!! "almost finished"
It makes me feel much better to see that Dohr has an embouchure similar to mine... I've always thought mine to be weird/incorrect at times. Thank you for the video!
This is such a great video!
amazing channel, looks like the best job in the world.
How dark and fab, magic and well what can one say
hahhaa....such a fun section. Keep these posting!
wow, this is amazing
Donald Runnicles' Bruckner No. 8 in C-Minor has a few awesome moments for the Wagner tuben in F: at the end of the third mvt. and at the end of the piece. The cameraman catches it.
It makes me very happy to see these beautiful things being used as I intended! Not those blasted FRENCH horn things!
Chapters:
@ Gustav Mahler: Symphony No. 1
0:35 INICIO TUBAS
@ ppen
@ gt
It's from Bruckner´s 7th Symphony
double thumbs up! :) what an enjoyable video!
Trombones love Bruckner. Horns have to play Bruckner, and either love listening to B, or just enjoy moments. Lots of work for little reward.
Sarah is practically a member of the low brass section
6:25 to 6:57 ... Whoa! Gives me chills!!! Wonderful!!!
Anvanho i agree that is a great passage.
0:03 the video start with the woman telling where she is from without saying a word...
Don't u guys make any Scherze about Wagner & Bruckner!
U are lovely and the Blech is just awesome. Thank you.
6:26 My favourite segment of Bruckner's 7th.
I never thought Wagnertuben were commonly doubled by horn players. maybe it was my preconception that those instruments only belong in German brass bands and that style of pomp and polka playing? Wonderful sound they have, a natural for many F horn players to branch in to
No, the instrument in German polka bands is not a Wagner Tuba. It looks similar, but it is not one.
That's because you are confusing Wagner Tubas with Tenorhorns. Wagner tubas are never used in bands, they are essentially only used in some Wagner, Strauss and Bruckner's works. The instrument you are thinking are the Tenorhorn/Baritonhorn. They are similar in shape but are more similar to the euphonium or other saxhorns, they use trombone mouthpiece and right-hand valves
Wagner Tuba uses horn mouthpiece and left hand valves, so it's played by horn players
Great fun!
Nice "愛樂" Chinese character / Kanji !
愛 = Love. 樂 = Music.
愛樂 = Philharmonic.
If it's Wagner's tuba, let him play it.
That's really funny.
You mean Neitzsche???
Dick Dog Wagger?
Why does he have so many tubas anyway?
where do you get a bass Wagner tuba? like the one Sarah is using? In F/C
She appears to be playing an Alexander Model 111. Where can you buy one? Uhh...good luck.
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Wonder why the audio channels were reversed in this one? Please notice the portion around 9:25 into the video as an example. That said, I still enjoyed the video just the same.
I feel like an idiot....I've been playing for 45 years and I have NEVER seen this instrument. Can you please explain? I play 16 different instruments and I feel like a fool never to have seen this one.
They're rare, most composers don't write for them so they don't get used much. (so people don't know about them)
I think it is mostly of use in European countries as that is it's history (German brass bands) though it has a lyrical voice all it's own and fits well in the middle voice of many orchestral works by western composers. it's sort of a niche instrument, how it came to be but lends itself to other venues. they come in a few sizes.
I did not know about them myself until about the mid 90's when I got in to the history of some brass instruments and scoured the libraries for resources before internet. I have not seen one in person to this day, however but love to see them played here on YT
@@pauls5745 I didn't think Wagner tubas had anything to do with German brass bands whose instruments are largely the saxhorn family invented by Adolf Sax? Wagner tubas are not saxhorns: they came later and were invented by Richard Wagner specifically for use in his "Ring" Cycle. I do not think he ever used them again. The few composers who took them up were influenced by Wagner e.g. Bruckner, Richard Strauss.
Looks like some or all have some kind of tuning bit or similar extension between the leadpipe and mouthpiece. Anyone know what that's about? Are those commercially available or custom jobs?
Being in the heart of Deutschland, some of those in the Berlin also probably play at Bayreuth. Listen to the Germans speaking English. They sound much more like American English than British.
Fantástico 👏👏👏😁😁😄
Can someone differentiate the wagner tuba from the rotary euphonium in words. I can’t find any information online
Firstly, they were developed independently, as Wagner tubas were made by request of Wagner for his ring cycle. (Although the design was probably inspired by saxhorns). The biggest differences are the mouthpiece, as Wagner tubas use french horn mouthpiece, while Tenor/baritonhorns use trombone mouthpiece. The valves are used on the left hand, like on french horns. Also Wagner tubas are usually in F, while euphoniums and the like are in Bb
Great horn playing!!! I just switched over to French horn from trumpet and am fighting with the intonation and articulation issues still, so I can really appreciate the musicianship. Now. Bruckner Tubas? I've never seen those before. Is it a cross between a French horn, tenor horn and tuba? What mouthpieces do you did you use? Sorry but I'm one of those gear heads; any values such as inner rim diameter, cup, bore, make etc. would be greatly appreciated.
+Morlock Darccastle Tx. I've heard of those.
Greg Monks Hey Greg long time :) I picked up one of the new Yamaha 871Ds last year., in fact I got the third one in Canada. Makes a great "horn sound" but it's going to take a little longer to really change/rebuild my embouchure for horn.
I've heard those Wagners are difficult to control
Wagner Tubas are essentially a bass french horn. They were developed by request of Wagner as he wanted an instrument with timbre midway between french horns and trombones.
They have been scored for very rarely, also because the instrument honestly has serious design issues (small horn mouthpiece, awkward shape, difficult intonation) Nowadays we have instruments like the Tenorhorn or the Euphonium that work better for the purpose
@@xaitatAgreed
The Monster of the Horn.
@Willem: these are Wagnertubas. Very expensive at Alexander, .... but worth the price ... !!!
@jonniegrant93: Thats 'Fidele Grünröcke', in the first part of 'Grüne Hefte'. We play this always in the evening after the first bit of red wine at our conventions of eight (horns)! :):) Perhaps You know ... otherwise:
www.spaeth-schmid.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p3834_LIEBERT-arr-----Waldhornquartette-Band-1---gruene-Hefte--.html.
Very nice to play. If your are playing the french horn ... you will love these very much!
@Marie: If Stefan will wear the same shirt, will stand on his head and shake his ears, I wont care .... just let me hear him!!!!!
I've got a question: From which Symphony is the "Führt ihr richtig, die ersten zwei Takte..."/"This is what Bruckner wanted us to play"-bit?
Those must be much more free-blowing than those tiny Alex 103s.
good help us, what asound
what is the last bit of music? that you'd "like" Bruckner to write.. :)
I have been studying the Bruckner's 7th Symphony. But I cannot find the damn part they are playing in the beggining. Maybe I am looking in the wrong part. Help? :P
It happend to me too. Sorry bout my english, im from Argentina. The first excerpt they play at the video its from Bruckner's 7th Symphony, 4th movement, between bars 143-147. I hope this will help you! Bye!
+Pedrito Gazi Oh! There it is! Thanks a lot. And you dont have to apologize for your english, I understood you perfectly well. Wish you the best!
QWHAT A WOUCERFUL SOUND
right from the start it's the voices of the gods
Do any of you have a triple horn ?
Do you travel to perform a lot of the time?
julie lehman they do all use the same model-the Alexander 103 double horn. They are probably just too good to need a triple horn
@@thomasmittler2231 sometimes stephan d uses a yamaha triplr horn
Hi, I'd like to buy the instrument on the left hand as you play four colleagues at the beginning of the video, if you can get the information I would much appreciate it.
+Seki Mamutovic Thats a Wagner Tuba, you can google it and you'll find them :)
where can i buy one of those tenor horns ?! they have a horn mouthpiece
These aren't tenor horns. (Did you recognize that the valves are on the left like on horns?)
These are Wagner Tubas.
Even though I would never recommend anyone to buy an instrument online without having tried it before, here's a page where you could buy one: www.wessex-tubas.com/shop/horns/wagner-tuba/fh250-wagner-horn/
Wagner Tubas aren't produced very often because they're pretty much only required in romantic pieces. (I don't have one myself although I play the horn for 20 years now)
The sigh 6:57 brilliant
And where is my favourite "Coda" ?? :)
Grüne Büchle, einfach immer wieder gut! :-)
Nikisch and Furtwängler and Karajan should be felt in this.
So, is English the lingua franca of the Berliner Philharmoniker? That is very interesting.
6:57 ha～～
9:37 Stephan traduction: piano,coñoooooooo!!!....
How dare TH-cam autocorrect! I MEANT to type S Dohr is HOT
0:30
牆上那幅 "愛樂" 裱做方向了 !!
It's called a Wagner Tuba.
that owl tho :D
Bruckner's tuba
Their so round
Lol stefan dohr always has on the same shirt in every video lol
I like the Bruckner is really depressing remark!!
Wagner tuba good but very weak on the lower notes.
You mean the horn itself as the players do exceptionally well. If the former, I understand what you mean. I think it would have to do with the mouthpiece and lead pipe being much smaller than a tenor or baritone range instrument that are specifically designed for living down there..
I like the Bruckner Tubas and would love to take one for a spin. I wonder if they're as "unstable" as a French horn with as many partials?
The way they hold the tubas, it's like they're making love to it. I suppose that's an occupational hazard!
Hilarious...I should've known better but my heart skipped a beat at around the 9:02 mark.
so richtig stimmt's aba nich.... ;)
Embouchure* sorry lol
...although there is an ideal lip position. Nobody has the same mouth. Whatever works and sounds beautiful is probably an ideal embouchure for you. I spent a lot of time looking at myself at mirror, buzzing, imitating, and freebuzzing. As long as you are not doing somsthing so bizarre that it is unbearably horrible, it is fine
Die grünen Hefte :)
O.o,
There is no real "right or wrong" embrechure
The chinese character"樂愛"should be put this way
a german classical musician complaining about the music in B being heavy , serious, and sad, cracks me up. Dude, you are German! (Just half kidding). move to California and become a pop musician!! Kidding!
ワーグナーチューバってこんな音色なんだなって思ったらホルン誕生してびっくり。
Damn s don't is HOT
European baratones
Berlin and yet speaking English?
Ah jetzt fängt die Deutsche Sprache an.
(Müss üben)