One of the character traits of Peter Parker is he can’t seem to catch a break, which is one of the reasons Spider-Man 2 hits perfectly on the whole struggle between the hero and the man, and when his complications in his own personal life start to complicate his responsibilities his Spider-Man the possibility of quitting actually becomes very realistic and understandable, I think the guys kinda forgot that Peter Parker is just a normal guy at the end of the day, he never asked to be Spider-Man or the responsibilities he now has to carry constantly every day, and Sam Raimi did a fantastic job of understanding the character and how being a “superhero” changes everything in your life and decisions you have to make
That's why this is the best spiderman movie because they get that spiderman is ruining Peter's life and Peter is ruining Spider-Mans life and him coming to terms with that he has to make compromises to be the best man he can be as both that's what the character of spiderman is and they captured that perfectly
They’re already alluded to them thinking they are better and i just dont understand greg needs to stick to his guns, he keeps almost defending it then jist agreeing
That moment has just arrived. Even worse, they collectively (excluding Greg) put it at #1. This review series has taught me to never take KF's movie opinions seriously ever again.
Thinking Homecoming is a better movie cos the Peter Parker/Spider-Man portrayal is your Spider-Man is justified but to say that Spider-Man is not even a GOOD movie (Kevin & Greg excluded) shows that you need to take off your Homecoming tinted glasses off. Are the scenes/dialogue corny at times and certain scenarios do not make sense? Yes but then every movie is guilty of that. A large part of the movie focuses on Peter and his struggle to keep balance of his personal life with the weight of responsibility he feels he has to maintain. But that's the reason why this is one of the best superhero movie. We get to empathise why he feels like he has to be just Peter Parker and give up on being Spider-Man as he is losing the most important people and aspects of his life to shouldering his moral compass. Add that to having a meaningful villain who not only is iconic due to his physical and intellectual threat to the hero and city but being portrayed as one of Peter's heroes whose life's work ultimately leads to the destruction of his well-intentioned vision and both his wife and his own death. The guys clearly don't want a self-contained Spider-Man movie that shows a Peter that has to deal with the realistic consequences of being a superhero which directly impacts the people in his life or face losing part of him that was gifted to him for the greater good and just want a fun, non impactful movie with jokes and connection to a larger universe. EDIT: Having watched the whole review, they really shit on nearly everything from Nick wanting a WORSE villain out of Doc Ock to Andy hating on every action scene to Tim thinking iconic scenes weren't done right. Greg and sometimes Kevin clearly liked the movie but felt the negativity and refrained at times. First time I've struggled to complete a piece of content from the guys due to weird hate. PS just watched the movie a few weeks ago and did a 360 from loving it to getting bored by it to loving it again especially after re-watching the recent MCU movies
I get it cos comic book characters have different takes. My Spider-Man take is based on watching the 90's animated series and the Raimi trilogy (although 1 & 3 aren't great) which portrays an older Peter and more serious than most versions
Those things you said are in every movie? It not making sense and being ridiculously corny? Yeah that's not in homecoming, that's why you can't make a case for it being an objectively bad film. Nobody's saying you can't like Sam Raimi's take or that it's not entertaining, from a film making perspective there's holes in it like a buckshot spread.
Kendall, I completely disagree. Homecoming is a good movie. But not a good Spider-Man film. Watch this video by Hi Top Films: th-cam.com/video/3Wn1uewM-aQ/w-d-xo.html
I used to watch this movie every day after school when the DVD came out. Re-watching it for the review just reminded me how much I loved it and why it resonated with me so much at the time. Definitely my favorite movie of all time for that reason.
I've been rewatching these movies in anticipation for the new Spider-Man game, and I've started developing a theory that this version of Peter Parker might actually be mildly autistic, and it's giving me a new perspective on his character. My current girlfriend has a mild form of autism, and a big part of our bonding has come from me learning to understand her, how she can express herself, how she can't, and seeing the person she is inside beneath her sometimes messy, difficult to navigate social exterior. And relating that to Peter in this movie really helps me understand him a lot better than I ever did before. He comes off as weird, awkward, difficult to read, and sort of sad on the outside, but the movie gives you a window into who he is on the inside. He's a brilliant person, and very kind-hearted. His powers and persona give him a way to express himself in a way he never could in regular life. I think this theory also helps explain why he's so utterly inept at reading MJs distressed emotional state in Spider-Man 3. He can't pick up on it because he's never been good at reading subtle social cues. The only place he feels like he really has any control or understanding of his life is as Spider-Man, so that's where his head is at. He's goofy and cringey and often hard to watch, but that's really the point. He's a much more complex character than he seems on the surface. Nobody sees it on the surface. That's the crux of who Peter Parker is. And it's what makes him one of the most engaging protagonists in a superhero film to me. There are enough superheroes that are cool. He's a superhero that's a dork, and the writers really understood that.
WOW. They are bashing the hospital scene?!? I just re-watched it to make sure I wasn't crazy and it legit gave me goosebumps. Cheesy is the complete opposite of how I would describe this scene. Different strokes for different folks I guess!
I love you guys and fully respect your opinions but this was a tough one to watch. The negativity is just so intense. I feel like you might as well be reviewing Green Lantern. I fully admit this movie has flaws but it's also super fun and gets things right about Spider-Man that Homecoming fails to capture. I think Homecoming did a lot right (acting, comedy, villain) but ultimately I feel like Peter seemed too childish. Stay with me, I know he's a kid, but I always felt like Ben's death aged him beyond his years. I didn't feel like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders. I didn't feel the Parker luck or the true burden of his split identity. His major issue was no one would treat him like a grown up... which they shouldn't because he isn't one... Also, I get that Doc Ock's motivation isn't as nuanced as some MCU villains but "good guy that tragically loses his mind and becomes horrifically violent" is the formula that created nearly every Batman villain (especially in BTAS).. I think it worked very well here.
Preying Ocelot to each their own but personally I felt it crossed from “poking fun” to shitting on it quite a few times. It’s a fine line between those two though I know
Seriously people love the joker and he has even less explanation of his motivations hes just a bad guy but for some reason thats only ok when the joker does it
They don't, especially Nick since he's the one who brought up that point (which is ironic since he went to film school). Nick not understanding on Peter getting shit on constantly shows he didn't even watch the movie properly. It's actually realistic. Why would the person you love wait around for you if you've never expressed your love for them? Why wouldn't you get fired from your job if you're not dependable, like Mr Aziz says? Why wouldn't your grades fall if you're not doing your homework? Why wouldn't your friendship with someone deteriorate when you're keeping a secret from them? Nick even says something worse when he says Peter is a bad human in this. I never knew saving 2 kids from getting run over by a truck is worse than delivering some pizza on time. I didn't know stopping a robbery and letting the criminals get away is worse than watching MJ's play which will be shown on other days anyway. That's literally the point of Uncle Ben saying 'With great power, comes great responsibility.' Peter is sacrificing his social and work life to save and help others because no-one else has his power.
@@agentahmed7350 I think Nick means "bad human being" in the way normies mean "bad human being." People try to motivate themselves to do better and achieve more in their life - tangible goals. Generally this results in a person having a mind for the dos and don'ts of life. They have it in the first place because they want to believe that they ARE that way or at least are going to become that. These things are then applied to other people in the same way that that person judges themself. It's just blue-collar bitterness. I don't think he means morally bad. Also, Peter is losing grip on his life, not because he is a good person, but because he won't accept why he does what he does. His arc has as much to do about the guilt of killing a man and what happened to Uncle Ben as it does protecting Mary Jane from his life of heroism.
I can see why Nick ended up shooting videos at IGN instead of making movies. He has no idea about film. Honestly, I think he's the least knowledgable of the KF crew.
It’s really gonna piss me off when they put the amazing Spider-Man movies above this. They are the so horribly edited, poorly written/directed and they don’t make any sense. At least the Rami trilogy is coherent despite its faults.
I appreciate Greg and Kevin for standing up for this movie, instead of just being spoiled nitpicking MCU brats. Spider-Man 2 holds a very special place in my heart and in the hearts of many. I didn’t expect much from Nick since it is widely known that he has terrible taste in movies, but I was quite disappointed by Andy in this review. :(
Preying Ocelot And also a lot of other peoples’ opinion. Most people probably prefer Spider-Man 2 tbh. But everyone’s opinion is valid so if you prefer Homecoming, more power to you my friend!
Went back into this trilogy thinking that Homecoming wouldn't be contested, but fuck me: Spider-Man 2 is better. It's weird because it's just an inferior La La Land so I kind of still clutch onto Homecoming more because it's a bit more distinct to me, but 2 is still a better movie. Out of the three, this one is the pinnacle of the Golden Age Hollywood/Monster movie tone the trilogy has. So much heart to it. Kind of makes Homecoming feel vanilla and uninspired in comparison. I doubt I'll ever really revisit the Spiderman movies again, but if I do, 2 and Homecoming would be the go-tos
@@LukeLovesRose La La Land has more consistent characters and stronger direction. You also get a more in depth look into both sides of the relationship behind the aspiration/personal responsibilities vs. Significant other theme. Greg said at points in this vid that MJ was just a plot device in this movie; I don't think that's entirely the case, but I don't blame him for thinking that when they don't really follow MJ all too closely. She is has discernable conflicts, but we don't get to see enough happen with her to justify calling her a main character (which she kind of needs to be for a story like this). I don't think the gap in quality is immense, but I do think Spider-Man 2 is an inferior telling of this story.
Seriously. Andy talking shit about the crazy camera zooms was wack. Those weird little editing quirks are what makes this movie stand out so much compared to most marvel movies.
They just want visually simple movies that connect to a universe like serialized TV shows instead of movies with heart and style. It's become painfully obvious the more this series has gone past MCU in Review.
Spidey looses his powers....walks right by a kid getting the s**t kicked out of him in an alley & looks the other way!? Basically saying the powers make the hero not the person. This movie....🤬
Herman Falck How all because your not knowledgeable in film doesn’t mean you can’t have an opinion on film. I understand what your saying and as someone who’s in the film industry and deals with films all day everyday I get it, but there’s a way to put it without being mean lol
Man you guys have bad taste. At this point you will prefer the Amazing Spiderman movies - and that is honestly like saying the Star Wars prequals are better than the Original Trilogy.
@@alexanderchilton911 get what? No idea what you mean. I'm just here to get clarity as to why people get mad at others not liking the same things. I love Spiderman 2 but them not liking it doesn't effect me at all.....
I haven't watched this review but wanted to drop some Spider-man 2 thoughts. I watched every Spider-man movie leading up to the new game and have to say, what a fantastic movie this is. So much of the character work in this movie goes so unappreciated. The cheesey moments that yes are 100% that goofy on purpose are legitimately funny. The speech that Aunt May gives Peter when he's given up being Spider-man had a legitimate impact on my life when I was younger and resonated just as much, if not more now that I'm in my mid 20s. Also the action is IMO the best out of every Spiderman movie. TASM has some great little moments where he's far more flexible/agile etc. But this one has real tension and weight to it, anytime he's fighting Doc Oc (who's amazing in this) you really feel those hits and the sub way battle needs no introduction. Homecoming is probably my second favorite because Tom really is THAT much better than Tobey, but seriously this is a legitimate great movie. Thanks for anyone who bothers reading this wall of text, also I'd recommend Marcus' video about the Spider-man movies on Cosmonaut Variety Hour, or Captain Midnights channel in general. Cheers
Man, you guys have no taste in movies. I thought the latest marvel movies were gonna spoil me and make me not enjoy this movie like I used to but I was wrong. This movie is still great. Almost better than Homecoming.
@@alexanderchilton911 you mean MJ's motivation to marry someone she doesn't even like at age 20? You mean Harry's motivation to ask Peter about his dead dad two years after it happened, but he's acting like it happened a month ago? You mean Peter's motivation to not understand basic communication?
Pierre Conrad like peter in homecoming where his motivation for being spider-man is to be an avenger not because of the guilt he has for not saving someone he cared for the critiques they have for the movie are valid, but having homecoming on such a high pedestal having similar critiques seems a little bias imo
It’s hilarious to me that in the Insomniac Spidey review, they praised the Doc Ock transition, yet criticize it here even though it’s practically the exact same...
I disagree with Tim Kevin and Nick on Spider-Man 2. Spider-Man 2 and Dark Knight are on the same level in different aspects. I love Homecoming but I think Tim overrates it a bit.
@@themichaelmedrano valid points including: 'I don't like Tobey Maguire's face' and 'I don't like it when Peter has a difficult life as Sam Raimi demonstrates how he has to face the consequences of being Spider-Man'
The more this series continues, the more its becoming clear they should have done a different kinds of movie series (Harry Potter or something else) and shouldn't have jumped to the old superhero movies immediately because its become clear those MCU rose-tinted glasses are too fresh. It becomes painful seeing how this just becomes shit talking most of the time. EDIT: I have to at least give Kevin and Greg some credit for attempting to finally see the movies through the lense of when it came out. Yes the movies have some flaws but the criticism being rooted from MCU-like perspective and too much emphasis on "modernity" undercuts any film criticism, which to me hurts credibility from people like Nick and Tim who I always considered the true film guys at Kinda Funny.
Alejandro Segovia - They need to realize that these broke ground for the MCU. We never experienced a superhero movie like this before and it was all so new that we had little to compare it to. They keep holding it up to the Dark Knights and Infinity Wars of the world which is unfair. I feel like if they watched 12 angry men or Citizen Cane they’d complain about it being black and white and call it corny
You do realize the Raimi trilogy are modern films right? 2 came out just 4 years before Iron Man did why is everyone acting like these are some ancient works of art or some shit lol ridiculous
Kb0w - correct but superhero movies are judged completely different pre and post MCU. We now look at Marvel films as the gold standard and compare all other superhero flicks accordingly. We’re far more critical of character arcs and villain motivations now because we’ve seen so many that most have become cliche. The Raimi trilogy might seem basic by today’s standards but that’s because so many other films copied from it. At the time it was fresh and new. The panels lost sight of that.
One of the best films ever made! My top 5 of all time! Edit: God, I wish they liked rewatching this! I just pretty disagree with most of what they say at the beginning of this video but that is their opinion which is great. I just feel like there is more to this film than they think. I would suggest watching CinemaWins video on Spider-man 2 to see what I mean. Edit 2: I hated this review really. Felt so miserable after it. They say no one who thinks this film is amazing hasn't seen it in years. I saw this film during Christmas last year and I prefer this to Dark Knight. Dark Knight is phenomenal but honestly, I think this is one of the best films I have seen. This felt like a mess of a review with many instances of them forgetting what happens or where things happen. People may think I'm overreacting but thats just my opinion. Not going to call them crazy for not liking the film but I do feel they were very harsh.
Vithal Khot pretty much, and why they focused on all the things negative? I have no idea. I like the guys and they are allowed to have they own tastes but if I feel that they are being unfair in their views than I’m not going to agree and say why. This film is 100% one of the best films I’ve seen and as someone who wants to be a filmmaker, I always go to this film as an example of storytelling. This is a 9/10 film! 100%
Can't wait for them to say that the Prizoner of Azkaban is too weird compared to the rest of the movies and that nothing before Half-blood Prince holds up.
JIPunisherIL Azkaban is so damn good though. Bet they will hate everything, Nick trying to figure the physics of everything, chanting about for half an hour i bet about that stuff.
I don’t get why they are hating on these Spiderman movies. Maybe it’s because its nostalgia but I regularly watch both Spiderman 1 and 2 ( being they are some of my favorite movies of all time) and there really isn’t any reason to be bashing it as hard as they do. Sure it corny and all that but that Sam rami. Just like Evil dead they are so corny and cheesy but still doesn’t change the fact that they are great movies.
@@alexanderchilton911 A very good point. Just as films like Airplane, The Man With Two Brains, Coming To America etc have very cheesy and outdated jokes. Yet they're still considered classics to this day. The criticisms they have here, are more nitpick than in depth analysis of the movie. They ignore the themes, skim over the plot, disregard the development of the villain (one of the best introduction and conclusions of a villain in comic book films). Very disappointed with the guys on this one.
You guys completely missed the point of that ending. It was supposed to be idealistic. Did you not hear the music and see the overbearing use of diffuse lighting? It's a fantasy, it's portrayed as a fantasy. Remember when Peter gives up being Spider-Man and we get the Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head montage, ending in a damn freeze frame? A fantasy. Spider-Man vs. MJ wasn't the conflict, it was about Peter coming to terms with what he wants and why he does what he does. The ACTUAL change for him comes when he opens up to Aunt May about what happened to Uncle Ben. In contrast, a very sober scene.
You mean when they actually say 'It ends with Mary Jane looking forlorn outside of a window thinking what has happened which leads to the breakup in Spider-Man 3'
@@madrocts They immediately follow the recap of the ending with saying sarcastically, "The important thing is - like all good movies - the theme is proven correct at the end. Which is that he had to give up everything to be Spider-Mam except he is rewarded with all the things that he wants, so the theme of this movie actually doesn't exist at all" or something like that, which misses the point of what MJ is doing, a point which is supposed to be driven home visually.
I got 15 minutes in then turned this review off. I dont know if most of the guys are just bored of this review series already or what but this was miserable toward a really fun movie. I dont even like it nearly as much as other movies but Nick, Tim and Andy are just making this a misery to even listen to while Greg and Kevin are at least trying. Idk man, Im taking this off my podcast feed for awhile, especially considering when Batman starts and Nick is going to throw all this curmudgeon behavior out to nostalgia bomb over the 80s and Batman. The complete opposite of what hes doing here. Dissappinted.
I mean this movie is generally regarded as a top 10 superhero, but not one of these 5 nerds are willing to call it a great movie? Sometimes I just feel like they all think too alike or are afraid to stand out from the rest, either way this just became a circle jerk of negativity over Rami's SP1 and SP2 - which are flawed sure, but, again, generally regarded as great movies. What is the point of having five people in a discussion when they all have the exact same opinions?
I explained on the last video why this In-Review show was starting to become boring as you guys just bash anything that isn’t Disney/Marvel made and you guys continue to prove my point. It’s been a fun ride, but I’m done. Youll probably get me (and the dozens of thousands of views you have lost over the past few months) to watch again once you guys change up the formula to keep it fresh and keep your minds open to the way movies were made pre-Disney/Marvel. This show was the one that got me to subscribed to KF. Now I don’t need to be subscribed anymore. Peace.
I agree. It is still fun for me. More as background noise. I just want them to do Harry Potter because...well I hope, they will not compare it to Disney/Marvel or Star Wars and just treat the movies as their own universe.
I haven’t seen dark knight in awhile, but I did just see SM2, and there are some plot points that just don’t make sense. He loses his powers because... he just doesn’t want to be Spider-Man anymore? Doc Ock is setting up this machine which has the power of the sun on an upper level of his Manhattan apartment and everyone’s okay with it? I don’t recall Dark knight having anything as unbelievable as stuff like this.
The hospital scene in this is better than ANY scene in homecoming. Also a lot of the nitpicking in this could be applied to homecoming but ur just so biased
Jake Gyllenhaal would've been a better Spider-Man? Is there a gas leak in the studio or something? That's like saying Randy Savage would nail Captain America. He's the polar opposite of Peter Parker.
I'm all for criticism of any art form, but some of the things you guys say in this "review" are extremely mean spirited. Personal attacks on actors? You guys need to be better on the internet, just like you're always telling us to be.
IMO I think that a good "No" is in rise of the planet of the apes. When Cesar yells no for the first time. The yell has great meaning and sets a scary tone.
Man, I get so uncomfortable when you guys talk about actors dumb faces (eg. Tobey Maguire, James Marsden) lol. I know you're joking, but sometimes it feels close to the edge of bullying. P.s. Wouldn't that be the sign of good (or at least brave) acting, expressing emotions without worrying about looking cool or attractive? Idk, just my thoughts.
I know what your saying they constantly talk about what actors look like and the faces they make, like Andy Cortez said Tobey Maguire had “ugly crying face” in the last episode. wtf
The five of you shouldn't be allowed to talk about film anymore, as clearly you have no taste and no understanding of it, for the fact that one, this is your third review series thing and it's still superhero films, and two as you're opinions can essentially be boiled down to 'this movie is newer, and is hence better'. Spider-man 2 is easily top 10 superhero films of all time, Homecoming isn't even close.
I hate this review guys. First of all you skipped a ton of the movie in the recap from peter giving up Spider-Man to him immediately doing it again. What about the burning building? The doctor check ups. The chocolate cake. The conversations with Aunt May when peter tells aunt may he was the reason for uncle Ben and the “there’s a hero in all of us” speech???? Not to mention you missed the themes. Whoever the man on the far right is yes peter would *like* to live a normal life with no Spider-Man and just have a carefree time but the fact is *he is Spider-Man* and with great power comes great responsibility. You guys should know from your favorite Spider-Man “when you can do the things that I can and then you don’t, and then the bad things happen... they happen because of you” literally while you guys were dissing that montage you missed the part where yea happy go lucky peter was watching people get mugged and other crimes knowing he has the power to stop it. So yes the theme is “Sometimes to do what’s *right* we have to be steady and give up the things we want the most. Even our dreams.” In conclusion this movie is way better than Spider-Man homecoming and also I’m only 1 hour and 17 minutes into this so if you do correct yourselves on missing a ton of recap or mention the theme then I apologize in advance but rn I’m boiled
Peter Parker fucking himself over in order to keep being Spider-Man is the essence of the character because he's so haunted by Uncle Bens death he can't let himself ever get lax again
Late to comment, but this review disappointed me. I understand not liking this movie, calling it cheesy and dated, but I feel like you guys completely missed the thematic elements of the movie. Peter being terrible at being a human being, his personal life falling apart, and not being able to be there for his family/friends is the epitome of Spider-Man. The fact that Nick found this as a criticism comes across as not understanding the core of both the film and it’s protagonist, making me question all of his criticism. Tobey Maguire, while not capturing every aspect accurately for Peter Parker, nails the awkward, non charming aspect of early Lee-Ditko Peter, and Sam Raimi realizes this and capitalized on it. I’m still subscribed to you guys and love your other content, but man, it feels like you’ve dropped the ball for this review and for Spider-Man (2002).
This movie didn’t hold up as well as I remember, but the general negativity from the crew and the fans backlash to that negativity is making me think this series should be put on hold or swap genres. Do Harry Potter or Star Wars or Terminator or something. It just seems like Greg and Kevin are trying to have fun. Nick is kind of being a hater towards everything. Tim is blinded by comparison instead of judging anything on his own. And Andy idk.
Oh and he was going crazy because of his hatred for Spiderman. He essentially let it get to his head. When he found out peter was spiderman it sent him over the edge.
“In review” is one of my all time favorite TH-cam series, but man this episode is brutal. All the things you guys are ripping about the film are hallmarks of Sam Raimi.. the cheesiness is the point. Not for everyone of course. But I personally think it’s still in the top 3 greatest superhero movies ever made
It's not fun anymore because their opinions don't line up with your own? How does them not liking the same films as you make any difference to anything?!
Preying Ocelot It’s more they don’t dive into detail on why they don’t like it. I mean Tim when reading that Jake Gyllenhaal almost replaced Tobey and giving a snarky remark. It’s those things why people hated this video. Keep in mind I love both Homecoming and Spidey 2.
I gotta be honest, this was the worst In Review so far not because of the opinions, but because nobody could really be bothered remembering the order of the scenes. They almost skipped over the train scene and then Nick has to ask how they got to the train scene in the first place!
As someone who grew up reading Amazing Spider-Man from late 90s to mid 2000s, the portrayal of Peter as a 20 something who struggles to balance his adult life was closer to the comics I enjoyed growing up rather than the Homecoming/Ultimate take with the high school angle. I’m glad at least Greg and Kevin saw the good and the bad.
Nick the meaning of the ending is that yes peter chooses to be spider man even if that means giving up alot of what he wants. But also that he must respect the choices of others and that means respecting that Mary Jane chooses to be with him even though that might mean danger. The movie is about CHOICE, i understood this when i was 7 years old.
You guys are just way too used to these marvel universe style films now. I can’t even tell the difference in directors with those movies and it’s 70 percent CGI now. Compared to this where it’s a lot more practical with some below average CGI. At least the Rami films have character to them.
the thing is spiderman 3 is not "that" bad, and is by no means "suicide squad" or "xmen origins: wolverine" but from memory more like thor: the dark world etc
of course you're entitled to your opinions, but the negativity is flowing so strongly, i can't finish, and i don't know if i'll be back to this series.
Tim's unprofessional shade at 44:57 showed why this was the worst review they have done in a while. Tim throwing shade at an Actor with no regard of almost losing a job also not backing up why Tobey is not good. You make up points sure, but it is clear they are more contemporary. They are just bashing a movie and not making valid criticisms on why they have these problems. CGI aging might've been the only one. The Homecoming Beer Goggles need to come off but so does the Raimi Beer Goggles. I liked MCU and Raimi btw.
That’s a very critical review...weird coming from MCU fans. I believe Roger Ebert said it best, “ Now this is what a superhero movie should be. "Spider-Man 2" believes in its story in the same way serious comic readers believe, when the adventures on the page express their own dreams and wishes. It's not camp and it's not nostalgia, it's not wall-to-wall special effects and it's not pickled in angst. It's simply and poignantly a realization that being Spider-Man is a burden that Peter Parker is not entirely willing to bear. The movie demonstrates what's wrong with a lot of other superhero epics: They focus on the superpowers, and short-change the humans behind them. (Has anyone ever been more boring, for instance, than Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne?)” Anyways, I’m quite shocked at the criticism thrown at the film. It’s a beautifully shot film and has some amazing character moments; some quite, some strange, and some humorous/quirky moments. Ultimately, it’s a about what it takes to be Spider-Man.
Remove Andy and Nick from these panels cause they contribute nothing. Get people who love films and don't just blindly love or hate something. Also, Spiderman 2 > Homecoming.
VINDICATED I AM SELFISH... All jokes aside for me when I was 8 this movie changed everything about the character Spider-Man and wanting to be in the filmmaking/acting industry.
Wait! Nick loves Batman '89 and has made good points on why it is relevant with todays superhero films. However, that movie still has bad character motivations as well as super convenient motivations to get from scene to scene. Not to mention corny or cheesy dialogue, but, Spider-Man 1 or 2 cannot hold up? At least be consistent. And Tim make a different point other than it's not modern. If you can stick by stating that certain old NES titles are relevant and important titles today and critique them on their own merits. Than, why can't you apply that same level of thought when watching older movies?
I watched your review. Watched the movie. Watched your review,your still wrong. Spiderman 2,still one of the greatest comic movies,still second best villain after ledger's joker.
Even as a kid I didn't really think SpiderMan 2 was that good, but everyone around me always acted like its amazing. Glad to see someone agree for once.
Spider-Man 2 not good? You all be smoking some bad shit. Spider-Man 2 is the best Spidey movie, even over Homecoming imo. Many Spider-Man comic book fans will tell you the best Spider-Man stories revolve around Peter trying to handle both being a superhero and being a normal person with a life. Ironically? This is something a lot of critics have praised the Spider-Man PS4 game for doing.
Oh boy, if you just wanna randomly piss me off, show me this video. Yes, people can have their own opinions. But they just seem like they’re needlessly nitpicking the shit out of this movie. Listen, I love Homecoming too. It’s possible to enjoy both worlds and both interpretations of spider-man
I still love the first Spider-Man film over this one. The romantic aspect, which was a huge part of the marketing and plot, was annoyingly muddled and the movie ended poorly.
The only thing that comes to mind of a good scene where someone is screaming "NO!" is the end of Watchmen when Nightowl screams after Rorschach explodes.
Quantum leap ends with the main character eventually meeting the entity that makes him leap. The entity gave him a choice of going home or leap and continue fixing the past. The main character continues to leap and never returns home.
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Peter wasn't just sitting there looking at the wall at the end. He was listening to the police scanner.
One of the character traits of Peter Parker is he can’t seem to catch a break, which is one of the reasons Spider-Man 2 hits perfectly on the whole struggle between the hero and the man, and when his complications in his own personal life start to complicate his responsibilities his Spider-Man the possibility of quitting actually becomes very realistic and understandable, I think the guys kinda forgot that Peter Parker is just a normal guy at the end of the day, he never asked to be Spider-Man or the responsibilities he now has to carry constantly every day, and Sam Raimi did a fantastic job of understanding the character and how being a “superhero” changes everything in your life and decisions you have to make
That's why this is the best spiderman movie because they get that spiderman is ruining Peter's life and Peter is ruining Spider-Mans life and him coming to terms with that he has to make compromises to be the best man he can be as both that's what the character of spiderman is and they captured that perfectly
Agreed 100%
waiting for the moment when nick says that amazing spiderman 2 is better than the original 2 movies
andres agreda because it will be more modern and the action is “better” will be the excuse. Brave yourself.
They’re already alluded to them thinking they are better and i just dont understand greg needs to stick to his guns, he keeps almost defending it then jist agreeing
eliot468 has greg ever taken a hard stance on a controversial unpopular opinion?
That moment has just arrived. Even worse, they collectively (excluding Greg) put it at #1. This review series has taught me to never take KF's movie opinions seriously ever again.
andres agreda 😂 well can’t say im surprised you called it and it’s number one on their list too 🤦♂️
Thinking Homecoming is a better movie cos the Peter Parker/Spider-Man portrayal is your Spider-Man is justified but to say that Spider-Man is not even a GOOD movie (Kevin & Greg excluded) shows that you need to take off your Homecoming tinted glasses off.
Are the scenes/dialogue corny at times and certain scenarios do not make sense? Yes but then every movie is guilty of that. A large part of the movie focuses on Peter and his struggle to keep balance of his personal life with the weight of responsibility he feels he has to maintain. But that's the reason why this is one of the best superhero movie.
We get to empathise why he feels like he has to be just Peter Parker and give up on being Spider-Man as he is losing the most important people and aspects of his life to shouldering his moral compass. Add that to having a meaningful villain who not only is iconic due to his physical and intellectual threat to the hero and city but being portrayed as one of Peter's heroes whose life's work ultimately leads to the destruction of his well-intentioned vision and both his wife and his own death.
The guys clearly don't want a self-contained Spider-Man movie that shows a Peter that has to deal with the realistic consequences of being a superhero which directly impacts the people in his life or face losing part of him that was gifted to him for the greater good and just want a fun, non impactful movie with jokes and connection to a larger universe.
EDIT: Having watched the whole review, they really shit on nearly everything from Nick wanting a WORSE villain out of Doc Ock to Andy hating on every action scene to Tim thinking iconic scenes weren't done right. Greg and sometimes Kevin clearly liked the movie but felt the negativity and refrained at times. First time I've struggled to complete a piece of content from the guys due to weird hate. PS just watched the movie a few weeks ago and did a 360 from loving it to getting bored by it to loving it again especially after re-watching the recent MCU movies
I think that Homecoming is the better Spiderman movie while Spiderman 2 is the better movie... does that make sense?
I get it cos comic book characters have different takes. My Spider-Man take is based on watching the 90's animated series and the Raimi trilogy (although 1 & 3 aren't great) which portrays an older Peter and more serious than most versions
Those things you said are in every movie? It not making sense and being ridiculously corny? Yeah that's not in homecoming, that's why you can't make a case for it being an objectively bad film. Nobody's saying you can't like Sam Raimi's take or that it's not entertaining, from a film making perspective there's holes in it like a buckshot spread.
Kendall Etten-Bohm they said this movie is crap
Kendall,
I completely disagree. Homecoming is a good movie. But not a good Spider-Man film.
Watch this video by Hi Top Films: th-cam.com/video/3Wn1uewM-aQ/w-d-xo.html
I used to watch this movie every day after school when the DVD came out. Re-watching it for the review just reminded me how much I loved it and why it resonated with me so much at the time. Definitely my favorite movie of all time for that reason.
James Rodriguez completely agree
I've been rewatching these movies in anticipation for the new Spider-Man game, and I've started developing a theory that this version of Peter Parker might actually be mildly autistic, and it's giving me a new perspective on his character.
My current girlfriend has a mild form of autism, and a big part of our bonding has come from me learning to understand her, how she can express herself, how she can't, and seeing the person she is inside beneath her sometimes messy, difficult to navigate social exterior.
And relating that to Peter in this movie really helps me understand him a lot better than I ever did before. He comes off as weird, awkward, difficult to read, and sort of sad on the outside, but the movie gives you a window into who he is on the inside. He's a brilliant person, and very kind-hearted. His powers and persona give him a way to express himself in a way he never could in regular life.
I think this theory also helps explain why he's so utterly inept at reading MJs distressed emotional state in Spider-Man 3. He can't pick up on it because he's never been good at reading subtle social cues. The only place he feels like he really has any control or understanding of his life is as Spider-Man, so that's where his head is at.
He's goofy and cringey and often hard to watch, but that's really the point. He's a much more complex character than he seems on the surface. Nobody sees it on the surface. That's the crux of who Peter Parker is. And it's what makes him one of the most engaging protagonists in a superhero film to me. There are enough superheroes that are cool. He's a superhero that's a dork, and the writers really understood that.
Autistic or severely socially awkward, great read dude. You nailed it.
WOW. They are bashing the hospital scene?!? I just re-watched it to make sure I wasn't crazy and it legit gave me goosebumps. Cheesy is the complete opposite of how I would describe this scene.
Different strokes for different folks I guess!
The best Spider-Man movie ever!!!!!!! One of the greatest comic book movies of all time
I love you guys and fully respect your opinions but this was a tough one to watch. The negativity is just so intense. I feel like you might as well be reviewing Green Lantern. I fully admit this movie has flaws but it's also super fun and gets things right about Spider-Man that Homecoming fails to capture.
I think Homecoming did a lot right (acting, comedy, villain) but ultimately I feel like Peter seemed too childish. Stay with me, I know he's a kid, but I always felt like Ben's death aged him beyond his years. I didn't feel like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders. I didn't feel the Parker luck or the true burden of his split identity. His major issue was no one would treat him like a grown up... which they shouldn't because he isn't one...
Also, I get that Doc Ock's motivation isn't as nuanced as some MCU villains but "good guy that tragically loses his mind and becomes horrifically violent" is the formula that created nearly every Batman villain (especially in BTAS).. I think it worked very well here.
Intense? Came across as just a good laugh and the parts that haven't aged well.
Preying Ocelot to each their own but personally I felt it crossed from “poking fun” to shitting on it quite a few times. It’s a fine line between those two though I know
@@DoingOK fair enough, I love S2 but I'm ok with others not liking it.
Seriously people love the joker and he has even less explanation of his motivations hes just a bad guy but for some reason thats only ok when the joker does it
agreed
Calling the first 40 minutes of this movie meandering makes me question if you guys understand movies at all.
For Recreational Use Only - I’ve been questioning that a lot over the XCU and Spiderman in review series’
They don't, especially Nick since he's the one who brought up that point (which is ironic since he went to film school).
Nick not understanding on Peter getting shit on constantly shows he didn't even watch the movie properly. It's actually realistic. Why would the person you love wait around for you if you've never expressed your love for them? Why wouldn't you get fired from your job if you're not dependable, like Mr Aziz says? Why wouldn't your grades fall if you're not doing your homework? Why wouldn't your friendship with someone deteriorate when you're keeping a secret from them?
Nick even says something worse when he says Peter is a bad human in this. I never knew saving 2 kids from getting run over by a truck is worse than delivering some pizza on time. I didn't know stopping a robbery and letting the criminals get away is worse than watching MJ's play which will be shown on other days anyway.
That's literally the point of Uncle Ben saying 'With great power, comes great responsibility.' Peter is sacrificing his social and work life to save and help others because no-one else has his power.
@@agentahmed7350 I think Nick means "bad human being" in the way normies mean "bad human being." People try to motivate themselves to do better and achieve more in their life - tangible goals. Generally this results in a person having a mind for the dos and don'ts of life. They have it in the first place because they want to believe that they ARE that way or at least are going to become that. These things are then applied to other people in the same way that that person judges themself. It's just blue-collar bitterness. I don't think he means morally bad.
Also, Peter is losing grip on his life, not because he is a good person, but because he won't accept why he does what he does. His arc has as much to do about the guilt of killing a man and what happened to Uncle Ben as it does protecting Mary Jane from his life of heroism.
I can see why Nick ended up shooting videos at IGN instead of making movies. He has no idea about film. Honestly, I think he's the least knowledgable of the KF crew.
@@CartoonReview LMAO all this because Spiderman doesn't hold up well.....😂😂😂🤣
It’s really gonna piss me off when they put the amazing Spider-Man movies above this. They are the so horribly edited, poorly written/directed and they don’t make any sense. At least the Rami trilogy is coherent despite its faults.
I appreciate Greg and Kevin for standing up for this movie, instead of just being spoiled nitpicking MCU brats. Spider-Man 2 holds a very special place in my heart and in the hearts of many. I didn’t expect much from Nick since it is widely known that he has terrible taste in movies, but I was quite disappointed by Andy in this review. :(
Spider-Man 2 is one of the greatest superhero movies ever made, better than Homecoming.
Shane Thomson 1000x better than Homecoming
Thank you
In your opinion
Preying Ocelot And also a lot of other peoples’ opinion. Most people probably prefer Spider-Man 2 tbh.
But everyone’s opinion is valid so if you prefer Homecoming, more power to you my friend!
Wrong.
Peter Parker always taking L's is a big part of his character.
Same thing with the mcu Spider-Man but everybody bitches about it.
Went back into this trilogy thinking that Homecoming wouldn't be contested, but fuck me: Spider-Man 2 is better. It's weird because it's just an inferior La La Land so I kind of still clutch onto Homecoming more because it's a bit more distinct to me, but 2 is still a better movie. Out of the three, this one is the pinnacle of the Golden Age Hollywood/Monster movie tone the trilogy has. So much heart to it. Kind of makes Homecoming feel vanilla and uninspired in comparison. I doubt I'll ever really revisit the Spiderman movies again, but if I do, 2 and Homecoming would be the go-tos
An inferior La La Land?? How?? La La Land wasn't that fucking great.
@@LukeLovesRose La La Land has more consistent characters and stronger direction. You also get a more in depth look into both sides of the relationship behind the aspiration/personal responsibilities vs. Significant other theme. Greg said at points in this vid that MJ was just a plot device in this movie; I don't think that's entirely the case, but I don't blame him for thinking that when they don't really follow MJ all too closely. She is has discernable conflicts, but we don't get to see enough happen with her to justify calling her a main character (which she kind of needs to be for a story like this). I don't think the gap in quality is immense, but I do think Spider-Man 2 is an inferior telling of this story.
Uh huh. Funny how they're both sub-genre films and we're still talking about Spider-Man 2
dude. Homecoming IS vanilla and uninspired in comparison 😂😂 and everyone sucks it off like it’s the best thing ever. it’s quite annoying
Good but not better than homecoming lol
I just don't think you guys like Sam Raimi films cause that's what this movie is through and through.
Seriously. Andy talking shit about the crazy camera zooms was wack. Those weird little editing quirks are what makes this movie stand out so much compared to most marvel movies.
They just want visually simple movies that connect to a universe like serialized TV shows instead of movies with heart and style. It's become painfully obvious the more this series has gone past MCU in Review.
What a bunch of palookas.
Spiderman 2 holds up and still remains one of the best superhero movies ever
To you*
With an 83 metacritic and 93 rotten tomato and an A- cinemascore I'm hardly alone in the opinion that spiderman 2 is top tier.
Nob, sorry dude. Even the first time I watched it, the ending felt stupid...
Does not age well at all,
Spidey looses his powers....walks right by a kid getting the s**t kicked out of him in an alley & looks the other way!? Basically saying the powers make the hero not the person. This movie....🤬
I respect your opinions, but "Spiderman 2" is one of the greatest super hero movies ever made.
Completely agree also Alex
Herman Falck How all because your not knowledgeable in film doesn’t mean you can’t have an opinion on film. I understand what your saying and as someone who’s in the film industry and deals with films all day everyday I get it, but there’s a way to put it without being mean lol
@@HermanFalckHow lol
Well done for being rational.
It'sAlexForShort no it isnt
Man you guys have bad taste.
At this point you will prefer the Amazing Spiderman movies - and that is honestly like saying the Star Wars prequals are better than the Original Trilogy.
And just wait for Tim to circle jerk every bad thing and go out of his way to call it a good movie.
Why do you people get so mad over other people's opinions, it makes no sense!
@@preyingocelotgames4397
Yet you are here. So yes you totally get it.
@@alexanderchilton911 get what? No idea what you mean. I'm just here to get clarity as to why people get mad at others not liking the same things. I love Spiderman 2 but them not liking it doesn't effect me at all.....
TASM 1 is fine. 2 is straight ass
I haven't watched this review but wanted to drop some Spider-man 2 thoughts. I watched every Spider-man movie leading up to the new game and have to say, what a fantastic movie this is. So much of the character work in this movie goes so unappreciated. The cheesey moments that yes are 100% that goofy on purpose are legitimately funny. The speech that Aunt May gives Peter when he's given up being Spider-man had a legitimate impact on my life when I was younger and resonated just as much, if not more now that I'm in my mid 20s. Also the action is IMO the best out of every Spiderman movie. TASM has some great little moments where he's far more flexible/agile etc. But this one has real tension and weight to it, anytime he's fighting Doc Oc (who's amazing in this) you really feel those hits and the sub way battle needs no introduction. Homecoming is probably my second favorite because Tom really is THAT much better than Tobey, but seriously this is a legitimate great movie. Thanks for anyone who bothers reading this wall of text, also I'd recommend Marcus' video about the Spider-man movies on Cosmonaut Variety Hour, or Captain Midnights channel in general. Cheers
better than homecoming
*flies away*
I agree. I love how campy these were. Homecoming is dope though
Wrong
Man, you guys have no taste in movies. I thought the latest marvel movies were gonna spoil me and make me not enjoy this movie like I used to but I was wrong. This movie is still great. Almost better than Homecoming.
David Cortez completely
They have their tastes you have yours. I love Spiderman 2 but them not liking it doesn't effect me at all. No idea why it has to make anyone mad.
Nitpicking films to the degree that Tim and Nick do is not in any way valuable critique.
Specially when its become clear their only perspective of critique is modernity and MCU-style rose tinted glasses.
Things like poorly developed characters and themes aren't nitpicks.
@@PieBlaCon
They didn't understand the themes or character motivations, so it is impossible for them to critique them correctly to bring with.
@@alexanderchilton911 you mean MJ's motivation to marry someone she doesn't even like at age 20? You mean Harry's motivation to ask Peter about his dead dad two years after it happened, but he's acting like it happened a month ago? You mean Peter's motivation to not understand basic communication?
Pierre Conrad
like peter in homecoming where his motivation for being spider-man is to be an avenger
not because of the guilt he has for not saving someone he cared for
the critiques they have for the movie are valid, but having homecoming on such a high pedestal having similar critiques seems a little bias imo
"Doc Ock is a bad villain because MCU has good villains" might be the weirdest thing I've heard today.
Lol right? The MCU has like 3 good villains out of 22 movies
It’s hilarious to me that in the Insomniac Spidey review, they praised the Doc Ock transition, yet criticize it here even though it’s practically the exact same...
This is really gonna piss me off, isn't it?
ItAlex You aren’t the only one
me too bud
I disagree with Tim Kevin and Nick on Spider-Man 2. Spider-Man 2 and Dark Knight are on the same level in different aspects. I love Homecoming but I think Tim overrates it a bit.
Valid points can hurt really bad.
@@themichaelmedrano valid points including: 'I don't like Tobey Maguire's face' and 'I don't like it when Peter has a difficult life as Sam Raimi demonstrates how he has to face the consequences of being Spider-Man'
The more this series continues, the more its becoming clear they should have done a different kinds of movie series (Harry Potter or something else) and shouldn't have jumped to the old superhero movies immediately because its become clear those MCU rose-tinted glasses are too fresh. It becomes painful seeing how this just becomes shit talking most of the time.
EDIT: I have to at least give Kevin and Greg some credit for attempting to finally see the movies through the lense of when it came out. Yes the movies have some flaws but the criticism being rooted from MCU-like perspective and too much emphasis on "modernity" undercuts any film criticism, which to me hurts credibility from people like Nick and Tim who I always considered the true film guys at Kinda Funny.
Alejandro Segovia - They need to realize that these broke ground for the MCU. We never experienced a superhero movie like this before and it was all so new that we had little to compare it to. They keep holding it up to the Dark Knights and Infinity Wars of the world which is unfair. I feel like if they watched 12 angry men or Citizen Cane they’d complain about it being black and white and call it corny
You do realize the Raimi trilogy are modern films right? 2 came out just 4 years before Iron Man did why is everyone acting like these are some ancient works of art or some shit lol ridiculous
Kb0w - correct but superhero movies are judged completely different pre and post MCU. We now look at Marvel films as the gold standard and compare all other superhero flicks accordingly. We’re far more critical of character arcs and villain motivations now because we’ve seen so many that most have become cliche. The Raimi trilogy might seem basic by today’s standards but that’s because so many other films copied from it. At the time it was fresh and new. The panels lost sight of that.
MCU is overrated
The point is make a fucking movie that holds up and the dialogue is trash tho
One of the best films ever made! My top 5 of all time!
Edit: God, I wish they liked rewatching this! I just pretty disagree with most of what they say at the beginning of this video but that is their opinion which is great. I just feel like there is more to this film than they think. I would suggest watching CinemaWins video on Spider-man 2 to see what I mean.
Edit 2: I hated this review really. Felt so miserable after it. They say no one who thinks this film is amazing hasn't seen it in years. I saw this film during Christmas last year and I prefer this to Dark Knight. Dark Knight is phenomenal but honestly, I think this is one of the best films I have seen. This felt like a mess of a review with many instances of them forgetting what happens or where things happen. People may think I'm overreacting but thats just my opinion. Not going to call them crazy for not liking the film but I do feel they were very harsh.
Comicbookgirl19 explained why it's a perfect movie
Vithal Khot pretty much, and why they focused on all the things negative? I have no idea. I like the guys and they are allowed to have they own tastes but if I feel that they are being unfair in their views than I’m not going to agree and say why. This film is 100% one of the best films I’ve seen and as someone who wants to be a filmmaker, I always go to this film as an example of storytelling. This is a 9/10 film! 100%
This is better than homecoming in my opinion
You guys should review all the Harry Potter movies, would be a great series
Can't wait for them to say that the Prizoner of Azkaban is too weird compared to the rest of the movies and that nothing before Half-blood Prince holds up.
JIPunisherIL Azkaban is so damn good though. Bet they will hate everything, Nick trying to figure the physics of everything, chanting about for half an hour i bet about that stuff.
Omggg yes please
Kasper Prammefors Hahaha, yeah probably! Azkaban is SO good, hands down my favorite out of them all.
they seem to hate everything now
I don’t get why they are hating on these Spiderman movies. Maybe it’s because its nostalgia but I regularly watch both Spiderman 1 and 2 ( being they are some of my favorite movies of all time) and there really isn’t any reason to be bashing it as hard as they do. Sure it corny and all that but that Sam rami. Just like Evil dead they are so corny and cheesy but still doesn’t change the fact that they are great movies.
And the current Marvel movie will also seem cheesy in the future probably as what we consider good taste or the right kind of comedy changes.
@@alexanderchilton911 A very good point. Just as films like Airplane, The Man With Two Brains, Coming To America etc have very cheesy and outdated jokes. Yet they're still considered classics to this day.
The criticisms they have here, are more nitpick than in depth analysis of the movie. They ignore the themes, skim over the plot, disregard the development of the villain (one of the best introduction and conclusions of a villain in comic book films). Very disappointed with the guys on this one.
You guys completely missed the point of that ending. It was supposed to be idealistic. Did you not hear the music and see the overbearing use of diffuse lighting? It's a fantasy, it's portrayed as a fantasy. Remember when Peter gives up being Spider-Man and we get the Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head montage, ending in a damn freeze frame? A fantasy. Spider-Man vs. MJ wasn't the conflict, it was about Peter coming to terms with what he wants and why he does what he does. The ACTUAL change for him comes when he opens up to Aunt May about what happened to Uncle Ben. In contrast, a very sober scene.
You mean when they actually say
'It ends with Mary Jane looking forlorn outside of a window thinking what has happened which leads to the breakup in Spider-Man 3'
Woah man, don't mention technical terms like "diffuse lighting"! The Kinda Funny guys have no idea what the fuck that means lmao
@@madrocts They immediately follow the recap of the ending with saying sarcastically, "The important thing is - like all good movies - the theme is proven correct at the end. Which is that he had to give up everything to be Spider-Mam except he is rewarded with all the things that he wants, so the theme of this movie actually doesn't exist at all" or something like that, which misses the point of what MJ is doing, a point which is supposed to be driven home visually.
I got 15 minutes in then turned this review off. I dont know if most of the guys are just bored of this review series already or what but this was miserable toward a really fun movie. I dont even like it nearly as much as other movies but Nick, Tim and Andy are just making this a misery to even listen to while Greg and Kevin are at least trying.
Idk man, Im taking this off my podcast feed for awhile, especially considering when Batman starts and Nick is going to throw all this curmudgeon behavior out to nostalgia bomb over the 80s and Batman. The complete opposite of what hes doing here.
Dissappinted.
Your loss!
Agreed 100 percent
@@CheefChaos so because you disagree with there opinions on the movie that makes the whole show bad now all of a sudden?
@@conormcinerney1208 I'm not op buddy, you tagged wrong guy.
I mean this movie is generally regarded as a top 10 superhero, but not one of these 5 nerds are willing to call it a great movie?
Sometimes I just feel like they all think too alike or are afraid to stand out from the rest, either way this just became a circle jerk of negativity over Rami's SP1 and SP2 - which are flawed sure, but, again, generally regarded as great movies. What is the point of having five people in a discussion when they all have the exact same opinions?
Wow, The comment section has spoken and it seems some of these guys really missed the boat for SP2. Glad to see Greg and Kevin see the beauty in it!
"I kissed her, but she doesn't know I kissed her. I mean she knows I kissed her. She doesn't know *I* kissed her" is still so funny
I explained on the last video why this In-Review show was starting to become boring as you guys just bash anything that isn’t Disney/Marvel made and you guys continue to prove my point. It’s been a fun ride, but I’m done. Youll probably get me (and the dozens of thousands of views you have lost over the past few months) to watch again once you guys change up the formula to keep it fresh and keep your minds open to the way movies were made pre-Disney/Marvel.
This show was the one that got me to subscribed to KF. Now I don’t need to be subscribed anymore. Peace.
I agree. It is still fun for me. More as background noise. I just want them to do Harry Potter because...well I hope, they will not compare it to Disney/Marvel or Star Wars and just treat the movies as their own universe.
Sorry you're mad at others opinions? Bye.
You act like they'll give a shit.
this movie rules
Here before they shit on a great movie. But regardless, still my favorite podcast and everyone has their own opinion.
Congrats on being a well balanced human.
One of the few films i would put up there with The Dark Knight
leonthesleepy I completely agree
Yess
Thank you!
Definitely top 3 comic book movies for sure
Are you fucking kidding me lmfao
I haven’t seen dark knight in awhile, but I did just see SM2, and there are some plot points that just don’t make sense. He loses his powers because... he just doesn’t want to be Spider-Man anymore? Doc Ock is setting up this machine which has the power of the sun on an upper level of his Manhattan apartment and everyone’s okay with it? I don’t recall Dark knight having anything as unbelievable as stuff like this.
The hospital scene in this is better than ANY scene in homecoming. Also a lot of the nitpicking in this could be applied to homecoming but ur just so biased
Taylorjack21 that's definitely not true lmao
1:09:43 that is the character and theme of most superheroes Nick. I.E Batman.
Jake Gyllenhaal would've been a better Spider-Man? Is there a gas leak in the studio or something? That's like saying Randy Savage would nail Captain America. He's the polar opposite of Peter Parker.
Yeah because it's not like an actor can change to fit a role or anything
I'm all for criticism of any art form, but some of the things you guys say in this "review" are extremely mean spirited. Personal attacks on actors? You guys need to be better on the internet, just like you're always telling us to be.
Tim's just jealous of Toby because he's ugly
IMO I think that a good "No" is in rise of the planet of the apes. When Cesar yells no for the first time. The yell has great meaning and sets a scary tone.
Oooh yeah that one is excellent. Chills every single time.
Man, I get so uncomfortable when you guys talk about actors dumb faces (eg. Tobey Maguire, James Marsden) lol. I know you're joking, but sometimes it feels close to the edge of bullying.
P.s. Wouldn't that be the sign of good (or at least brave) acting, expressing emotions without worrying about looking cool or attractive? Idk, just my thoughts.
Some people just have dumb faces. I didn't really understand it until I got a good look at Paul Dano - feels like a face you're fated to punch.
I know what your saying they constantly talk about what actors look like and the faces they make, like Andy Cortez said Tobey Maguire had “ugly crying face” in the last episode. wtf
Deal with it lmao
It’s kind of like how Willem DaFoe just looks evil. No serious person would immediately assume that he actually was, but he certainly looks the part.
You guys should change the name of this series to "Kinda Funny Shits on Every Movie".
Spiderman 2 is THE BEST MARVEL MOVIE ever made.
Apart from greg these guys have terrible taste in movies
go back to r/ramimemes
Kevin liked it a good amount too
Kevin liked it too
Lol the movie isn't good
@@TheAndyCortez top tier arguments
The cgi when spiderman and Doc Oc are fighting while falling is better then the cgi in black panther when they're falling and punching each other
Spiderman 2 is so much better Homecoming .
You guys are haters
Can they not have their own opinions?
i mean yea but they are such MCU fanboys and it's annoying. i watch more MCU content than they do and it's overrated. trust me
@@preyingocelotgames4397 Do you just spend your whole life defending KindaFunny? Jesus Christ
Dog, Spider-Man 2 is awesome... Wait until you get to the Amazing Spider-man series... Those are absolute trash
The five of you shouldn't be allowed to talk about film anymore, as clearly you have no taste and no understanding of it, for the fact that one, this is your third review series thing and it's still superhero films, and two as you're opinions can essentially be boiled down to 'this movie is newer, and is hence better'. Spider-man 2 is easily top 10 superhero films of all time, Homecoming isn't even close.
No
@@TheAndyCortez Great argument
I don’t think there’s a film on this planet (that’s not an 80s movie or a dumb comedy) that nick actually likes
Tim shouldn't review anything
I hate this review guys. First of all you skipped a ton of the movie in the recap from peter giving up Spider-Man to him immediately doing it again. What about the burning building? The doctor check ups. The chocolate cake. The conversations with Aunt May when peter tells aunt may he was the reason for uncle Ben and the “there’s a hero in all of us” speech???? Not to mention you missed the themes. Whoever the man on the far right is yes peter would *like* to live a normal life with no Spider-Man and just have a carefree time but the fact is *he is Spider-Man* and with great power comes great responsibility. You guys should know from your favorite Spider-Man “when you can do the things that I can and then you don’t, and then the bad things happen... they happen because of you” literally while you guys were dissing that montage you missed the part where yea happy go lucky peter was watching people get mugged and other crimes knowing he has the power to stop it.
So yes the theme is “Sometimes to do what’s *right* we have to be steady and give up the things we want the most. Even our dreams.”
In conclusion this movie is way better than Spider-Man homecoming and also I’m only 1 hour and 17 minutes into this so if you do correct yourselves on missing a ton of recap or mention the theme then I apologize in advance but rn I’m boiled
Peter Parker fucking himself over in order to keep being Spider-Man is the essence of the character because he's so haunted by Uncle Bens death he can't let himself ever get lax again
Late to comment, but this review disappointed me. I understand not liking this movie, calling it cheesy and dated, but I feel like you guys completely missed the thematic elements of the movie. Peter being terrible at being a human being, his personal life falling apart, and not being able to be there for his family/friends is the epitome of Spider-Man. The fact that Nick found this as a criticism comes across as not understanding the core of both the film and it’s protagonist, making me question all of his criticism. Tobey Maguire, while not capturing every aspect accurately for Peter Parker, nails the awkward, non charming aspect of early Lee-Ditko Peter, and Sam Raimi realizes this and capitalized on it. I’m still subscribed to you guys and love your other content, but man, it feels like you’ve dropped the ball for this review and for Spider-Man (2002).
Not only the best Spiderman movie, but probably the best superhero movie ever made.
The MCU is fun. But Sam Raimi has more heart and style.
This movie didn’t hold up as well as I remember, but the general negativity from the crew and the fans backlash to that negativity is making me think this series should be put on hold or swap genres. Do Harry Potter or Star Wars or Terminator or something. It just seems like Greg and Kevin are trying to have fun. Nick is kind of being a hater towards everything. Tim is blinded by comparison instead of judging anything on his own. And Andy idk.
Imagine hating on Spider-Man 2 when ur fav spidey movie is Homecoming XD
Oh and he was going crazy because of his hatred for Spiderman. He essentially let it get to his head. When he found out peter was spiderman it sent him over the edge.
“In review” is one of my all time favorite TH-cam series, but man this episode is brutal. All the things you guys are ripping about the film are hallmarks of Sam Raimi.. the cheesiness is the point. Not for everyone of course. But I personally think it’s still in the top 3 greatest superhero movies ever made
These guys were just waiting to hate on these movies.
Extremely disappointed because this was a fun kinda funny series
It's not fun anymore because their opinions don't line up with your own? How does them not liking the same films as you make any difference to anything?!
Preying Ocelot It’s more they don’t dive into detail on why they don’t like it. I mean Tim when reading that Jake Gyllenhaal almost replaced Tobey and giving a snarky remark. It’s those things why people hated this video. Keep in mind I love both Homecoming and Spidey 2.
@@TheBigBlueKnight fair enough, yea man I love Spidey 2 too. Each to their own.
I gotta be honest, this was the worst In Review so far not because of the opinions, but because nobody could really be bothered remembering the order of the scenes. They almost skipped over the train scene and then Nick has to ask how they got to the train scene in the first place!
hell no, clearly you dont remember me fumbling through the plot of cap first avenger.
Haha, I did forget about that!
As someone who grew up reading Amazing Spider-Man from late 90s to mid 2000s, the portrayal of Peter as a 20 something who struggles to balance his adult life was closer to the comics I enjoyed growing up rather than the Homecoming/Ultimate take with the high school angle.
I’m glad at least Greg and Kevin saw the good and the bad.
it makes me sad that they are going to place the 2 trash andrew garfield ones as better than the rami movies
Nick the meaning of the ending is that yes peter chooses to be spider man even if that means giving up alot of what he wants. But also that he must respect the choices of others and that means respecting that Mary Jane chooses to be with him even though that might mean danger. The movie is about CHOICE, i understood this when i was 7 years old.
One of favorite super hero movies of all time
You guys are just way too used to these marvel universe style films now. I can’t even tell the difference in directors with those movies and it’s 70 percent CGI now. Compared to this where it’s a lot more practical with some below average CGI. At least the Rami films have character to them.
Is it Sept 7th yet????
9 hours!
the thing is spiderman 3 is not "that" bad, and is by no means "suicide squad" or "xmen origins: wolverine" but from memory more like thor: the dark world etc
Michael Hudson it's easily worse than Thor 2
yeah ur probably correct, maybe more justice league
Michael Hudson even tho i still love spiderman 3 it has way to much going on and doesn't deliver on any of it
of course you're entitled to your opinions, but the negativity is flowing so strongly, i can't finish, and i don't know if i'll be back to this series.
I mean, are people really going to defend Spider-Man 3?
Danny Edge Are you seriously getting offended over some guys saying something about a movie that you don’t agree with? What a snowflake
Please please go watch comic book girl 19s review fo this movie its fantastic
Yesssss
Tim's unprofessional shade at 44:57 showed why this was the worst review they have done in a while. Tim throwing shade at an Actor with no regard of almost losing a job also not backing up why Tobey is not good. You make up points sure, but it is clear they are more contemporary. They are just bashing a movie and not making valid criticisms on why they have these problems. CGI aging might've been the only one. The Homecoming Beer Goggles need to come off but so does the Raimi Beer Goggles. I liked MCU and Raimi btw.
I respect your opinions and you guys sometimes bring up valid points, but damn the MCU really spoiled the way you view other non MCU movies huh.
That’s a very critical review...weird coming from MCU fans. I believe Roger Ebert said it best,
“ Now this is what a superhero movie should be. "Spider-Man 2" believes in its story in the same way serious comic readers believe, when the adventures on the page express their own dreams and wishes. It's not camp and it's not nostalgia, it's not wall-to-wall special effects and it's not pickled in angst. It's simply and poignantly a realization that being Spider-Man is a burden that Peter Parker is not entirely willing to bear.
The movie demonstrates what's wrong with a lot of other superhero epics: They focus on the superpowers, and short-change the humans behind them. (Has anyone ever been more boring, for instance, than Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne?)”
Anyways, I’m quite shocked at the criticism thrown at the film. It’s a beautifully shot film and has some amazing character moments; some quite, some strange, and some humorous/quirky moments. Ultimately, it’s a about what it takes to be Spider-Man.
Remove Andy and Nick from these panels cause they contribute nothing. Get people who love films and don't just blindly love or hate something. Also, Spiderman 2 > Homecoming.
Lol
I personally think this is one of the best super hero films ever made. Most people would agree with me on that too.
Spiderman 2 is the best movie that features a superhero. Even better than The Dark Knight.
It's okay to be wrong.
Insomniac's Spiderman is currently pre loading on my ps4. Ya boys ready!
Homecoming is Iron Man Jr (which is perfectly fine)
It's WAY the fuck better than literally every movie with "X-Men" in the title.
VINDICATED I AM SELFISH...
All jokes aside for me when I was 8 this movie changed everything about the character Spider-Man and wanting to be in the filmmaking/acting industry.
i love you guys, but you literally nitpicked how deep a river is. like goddamn come on.
Wait! Nick loves Batman '89 and has made good points on why it is relevant with todays superhero films. However, that movie still has bad character motivations as well as super convenient motivations to get from scene to scene. Not to mention corny or cheesy dialogue, but, Spider-Man 1 or 2 cannot hold up? At least be consistent. And Tim make a different point other than it's not modern. If you can stick by stating that certain old NES titles are relevant and important titles today and critique them on their own merits. Than, why can't you apply that same level of thought when watching older movies?
I watched your review. Watched the movie. Watched your review,your still wrong. Spiderman 2,still one of the greatest comic movies,still second best villain after ledger's joker.
how can they be wrong if it's their opinion? 🤔
@@JoeSmithGOAT the same way they say we're wrong
Even as a kid I didn't really think SpiderMan 2 was that good, but everyone around me always acted like its amazing. Glad to see someone agree for once.
This is one of the best in reviews yet
Guys... Please stop... You’re embarrassing yourselves... This movie is the greatest Spider-Man movie of all time.
Spider-Man 2 not good? You all be smoking some bad shit. Spider-Man 2 is the best Spidey movie, even over Homecoming imo.
Many Spider-Man comic book fans will tell you the best Spider-Man stories revolve around Peter trying to handle both being a superhero and being a normal person with a life. Ironically? This is something a lot of critics have praised the Spider-Man PS4 game for doing.
Spider-Man 2 is objectively better than your favourite superhero movie. 😊
Oh boy, if you just wanna randomly piss me off, show me this video. Yes, people can have their own opinions. But they just seem like they’re needlessly nitpicking the shit out of this movie. Listen, I love Homecoming too. It’s possible to enjoy both worlds and both interpretations of spider-man
Never stop doing these! I love the taking a step and calling out the funny things in this movie that didn't really make sense. Still a fun movie.
I can’t wait for Spider-Man ps4. I NEED IT
I still love the first Spider-Man film over this one. The romantic aspect, which was a huge part of the marketing and plot, was annoyingly muddled and the movie ended poorly.
Judging from the comments I shouldn't even watch this
People that are complaining are just people that watch reviews to justify their own opinions. They do give reasoning for their criticisms.
''HE STOLE THAT GUYS PIZZA!''
Oscar
Funny that Tim mentions that Spider-Man 2 was released on his birthday, because Spider-Man 2 In Review was released on my birthday.
The only thing that comes to mind of a good scene where someone is screaming "NO!" is the end of Watchmen when Nightowl screams after Rorschach explodes.
Quantum leap ends with the main character eventually meeting the entity that makes him leap. The entity gave him a choice of going home or leap and continue fixing the past. The main character continues to leap and never returns home.