HOLY #$%@% I have been chasing a problem for 1.5 years. I practice from a 40yd elevated position and everything is perfect, arrow flight sight verti/horz and 3" groups but I get out and practice at 60-80 yds on the level and always a bit to the right. EVERYTHING makes sense now...bow shop told me 3rd axis was fine!! I hunt elk on the Oregon coast and almost everything is up or downhill. THANK YOU for this video!
I do. But just not long distance. Most of my whitetail shots are maximum of 30 yards. I shot an elk a few years ago at 59 yards. Such a steep angle that my range finder had me hold on 50 yard pin. Hit exactly where i was aiming. But its important to bend at the hips with your form on a level frame.
First time seeing this! Pretty awesome. So, in theory, I can out my black gold ascent on here and level my third axis, put it back on my bow and be good to go?? As you can tell, I’m an overthinker. 😂
I can show you my methods with Lasers John. My method is absolute bro. It requires a laser not commonly seen in archery, but be happy to send you a video on my method. 3rd axis is ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL!!!
So I have to buy a sight with a level? The buck I shot from a tree stand didn’t know that I do not have a 3rd axis adjuster. Just something else to go wrong
But is it wrong? The 175inch buck did not know if it was set correctly, nor any elk I have killed whether I was shooting up or down the mountain. ignorance can be a blessing, just go to archery talk and read all the so-called expert's opinions @@michaelcolthart4006
All bows have torque. That is shown in the sight at full draw. Third axis is a thing… and needs to be adjusted. Every bow is different. Don’t think because a sight doesn’t have it that it’s not necessary. Any good sight has it. If it doesn’t it’s not a good sight. And you’re leaving good accuracy out on the table. Period!
@@jamesmckee5876 I can shoot the bottom out of a coke can at 100 yards with a 80 dollar truglo. A good Archer doesn't need every high end doo dad they want to sell you. Obviously YOU do, doesn't mean others do as well.
@@rubenfranco9046 wow! Bottom out of a coke can @ 100. The story sounds impressive. Especially since you’d more than likely have to stack pins with a $80 truglow at 100 yds. Uphill I assume? Not flat, Because we are talking about 3rd axis and not 2nd. Well ether way impressive. 😳
When tuning, your arrow will vary its location in relation to the riser. It could be minimal, but that’s what the 3rd axis adjustment will compensate for. I’ve found most good sights come from the factory very close to square.
MFJJ is correct. If I see a bow that is perfectly square to the arrow shaft, I can almost GUARANTEE that their 3rd axis isn’t adjusted correctly. My 3rd axis at rest is always askew from the arrow shaft if adjusted correctly and hitting true… ALL risers flex… and the only way to set a 3rd axis properly is to put the bow at full draw and check it, and then shoot it in. This information in this video is a little misleading, it’s a starting point only…if it’s perfectly square, you WILL NOT hit properly at distance and angle on the range…
@poppasmurf15 I agree that the only way to confirm 3rd axis is by shooting. I'm not sure about risers twisting that much. I think your dominant hand torque will be way more than any riser flex. This is why shooting is required. A 3rd axis set right for me will likely be wrong for you. Anyway. Not gonna argue.
@@shanerRC I am a big Elite fan. On my Kure my sight is almost perpendicular to the arrow. But this year I drank the Mathews koolaid and picked up a Lift 33… it is an incredible bow but I was wildly surprised how much more riser torque it has and my scope is tilted inward a LOT more. Still shoots fantastic, so I’m happy. Torque is unique to each bow and cam lean is natural… it’s a heck of a lot of fun to tinker and learn too!
That’s the best explanation I’ve heard on 3rd axis and what it is and what it does. Thanks John
HOLY #$%@% I have been chasing a problem for 1.5 years. I practice from a 40yd elevated position and everything is perfect, arrow flight sight verti/horz and 3" groups but I get out and practice at 60-80 yds on the level and always a bit to the right. EVERYTHING makes sense now...bow shop told me 3rd axis was fine!! I hunt elk on the Oregon coast and almost everything is up or downhill. THANK YOU for this video!
Thank YOU!!!! this helped me so much getting my bow ready for TAC
Thanks, dude, I always thought that was something I couldn't do myself, now at least I can be as close as possible!
This is great. Far better than how I explain it.
Thank you, John. I will check mine this evening.
I do. But just not long distance.
Most of my whitetail shots are maximum of 30 yards. I shot an elk a few years ago at 59 yards. Such a steep angle that my range finder had me hold on 50 yard pin. Hit exactly where i was aiming. But its important to bend at the hips with your form on a level frame.
Great explanation
great video. I've never heard of it. Regards
Thanks for this video!
For those wondering what’s the name of the red leveling tool, it’s a Brite Site third axis leveler.
$100 US
First time seeing this! Pretty awesome. So, in theory, I can out my black gold ascent on here and level my third axis, put it back on my bow and be good to go?? As you can tell, I’m an overthinker. 😂
I can show you my methods with Lasers John. My method is absolute bro. It requires a laser not commonly seen in archery, but be happy to send you a video on my method. 3rd axis is ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL!!!
Great info.
Awesome
What leveling device is that pls?
Bright Site Pro
So I have to buy a sight with a level? The buck I shot from a tree stand didn’t know that I do not have a 3rd axis adjuster. Just something else to go wrong
It’s most likely already wrong despite your utter ignorance of it.
But is it wrong? The 175inch buck did not know if it was set correctly, nor any elk I have killed whether I was shooting up or down the mountain. ignorance can be a blessing, just go to archery talk and read all the so-called expert's opinions @@michaelcolthart4006
I've never had a problem with this on cheap sights. It seems this problem is solely caused by sights that have an adjustment for it.
I would be interested in hearing an in depth answer to your question or statement. I've never had an issue either. But I also don't shoot 100 yards.
Long distance it happens on some fixed sights.
All bows have torque. That is shown in the sight at full draw. Third axis is a thing… and needs to be adjusted. Every bow is different. Don’t think because a sight doesn’t have it that it’s not necessary. Any good sight has it. If it doesn’t it’s not a good sight. And you’re leaving good accuracy out on the table. Period!
@@jamesmckee5876 I can shoot the bottom out of a coke can at 100 yards with a 80 dollar truglo. A good Archer doesn't need every high end doo dad they want to sell you. Obviously YOU do, doesn't mean others do as well.
@@rubenfranco9046 wow! Bottom out of a coke can @ 100. The story sounds impressive. Especially since you’d more than likely have to stack pins with a $80 truglow at 100 yds. Uphill I assume? Not flat, Because we are talking about 3rd axis and not 2nd. Well ether way impressive. 😳
Why would sights offer a 3rd axis adjustment
What brand is this sight vise?
Brite site….but you can use a door jam if it’s square and level.
So why is 3rd axis adjustment even a thing if you only want it squared? They can’t just square it from factory and call it a day?
When tuning, your arrow will vary its location in relation to the riser. It could be minimal, but that’s what the 3rd axis adjustment will compensate for. I’ve found most good sights come from the factory very close to square.
I always chuckle when MFJJ puts bows in his contraption to hold the bow at full draw and then rotate it up and down hill. Silly.
MFJJ is correct. If I see a bow that is perfectly square to the arrow shaft, I can almost GUARANTEE that their 3rd axis isn’t adjusted correctly. My 3rd axis at rest is always askew from the arrow shaft if adjusted correctly and hitting true… ALL risers flex… and the only way to set a 3rd axis properly is to put the bow at full draw and check it, and then shoot it in. This information in this video is a little misleading, it’s a starting point only…if it’s perfectly square, you WILL NOT hit properly at distance and angle on the range…
@poppasmurf15 I agree that the only way to confirm 3rd axis is by shooting. I'm not sure about risers twisting that much. I think your dominant hand torque will be way more than any riser flex. This is why shooting is required. A 3rd axis set right for me will likely be wrong for you. Anyway. Not gonna argue.
@@shanerRC I am a big Elite fan. On my Kure my sight is almost perpendicular to the arrow. But this year I drank the Mathews koolaid and picked up a Lift 33… it is an incredible bow but I was wildly surprised how much more riser torque it has and my scope is tilted inward a LOT more. Still shoots fantastic, so I’m happy. Torque is unique to each bow and cam lean is natural… it’s a heck of a lot of fun to tinker and learn too!
Riser flex I mean