@TailGate Tinkerer I switched over to Sony. I would say yea, fond memories, simplicity, great image quality. Not that what I’m using doesn’t also give me those things. Part of it is nostalgia for me but also the fact that they are great cameras that have aged well.
I recently picked up a Canon C200 for under $2k. I bought it because I needed a camera that wouldn't overheat. Canon M200 - overheated. Canon R6 - overheated . Canon R10 - overheated. The best camera is the one that doesn't shut down when you are shooting an event.
Holy crap that's a great deal! I just picked one up used as well for around that price but had 702hrs. Body was in pristine condition though so my guess it was just a studio cam. These cameras are meant to go for a long time so I'm probably good for another 700hrs, but I doubt I'd ever make it to that with my style of shooting.
Canon RAW Light has always edited smoothly on PC. Most Mac’s, especially the older ones just don’t have the GPU power to process it. You really want a PC with an Nvidia GPU.
The other day, B&H had the C200B on their deal zone for $1999 brand new! I shoot professional work on the C70 now, but to have the C200 option available at the prices we're seeing today is crazy! I remember paying almost $6000 for the C100MK1 ten years ago, LOL
I saw that! It was such a good deal! I was really tempted, but I know I have a C100mkii and the pocket for raw footage. I remember paying about $4500-5000 around 5-6 years ago for the C100mkii brand new as well.
Man, this makes it hard to consider the fuji xh2s when the c100 mark II and the C200 are out there at a similar price. One would still have to kit out the mirrorless options whereas these models, you can pick it up and shoot. Great video. Thank you!
8bit 420 outperforms film since you get 9 stops with 35mm film. People are spoiled and get caught up in specs. C200 is an insane value. I own a C100mk2 and a C200 both bought used. Amazing how much bang for the buck you get.
Awesome combo. I love the C100mkii. Still an awesome camera! I do now have a C200 though, but only because I wanted to move away from HDMI and use SDI. I mean, among other reasons, but that was definitely a pro on my list.
That's just not true. Negative 35mm film has around 13 stops of dynamic range for colour and 15 for black and white. Projection film has about 8 stops, but that's the analog equivalent to a rec709 and was only used to print the movie, not shoot it.
Good points - C200 price drop is probably an indicator of the coming new Canon offerings. The C200 is an odd duck and not being able to 10bit 422 internally to SD is ridiculous -reason I didn't buy one when it came out. Good points about the 8 bit Canon codec - as a C100 M2 cult member it still amazes me the image quality and gradability you can get out of these tiny files. That said I finally have conceded it is what it is. I've tried everything to push the quality of my C100 files up (especially in the shadows) but you just can't pull anything more out of limited codec. I know when I finally upgrade to 4K 10bit 422 I'll say "Why did I wait so long?" but for what I shoot (lots of concerts and daylight documentary) C100 still serves me. Need more commercial work to justify the upgrade!
Absolutely agree that having 10bit will help push the grade, but even in 10bit, if you don’t watch your shadows and try to pull them up, you’re bound to introduce terrible noise and artifacts. 10bit is definitely better, but the 8bit out of canon’s cinema line has been pretty amazing and that’s coming from a guy who owns an R5 and pocket 4k! I’ll always hold a soft spot for the C100mkii though. I just know with the price drop of the c200, it’s now worth it! At least in my opinion. Thanks for watching and commenting, always means a lot.
@@alexshotthese I really wish Canon had kept the form factor of the C100 M2 and just come out with a C100 M3 with 4k 10 bit 422 on SD.. You nailed it - the noise and artifacting are my biggest pain points on the C100 files. My biggest shooting complaint is the fact you can't move the focus point - I can forgive the terrible face recognition, and fair autofocus if you could just move the focus point - would be really helpful.
There’s a trick I use that I learned from Philip Bloom. If you set your side handle’s button, which I think is 7, to AF lock. Then you can position the camera to get your focus, tap 7, it locks the AF, and then pan it back to your original composition. That is if you’re doing any talking head stuff and if that person isn’t moving around a ton.
Absolutely, but the rumor is it’ll be more of a cube shape, similar to the Panasonic BSH1, and will have a multifunctional hot shoe for an xlr adapter. Again, only rumors, but not digging the sound of that.
Didn’t forget that, but just didn’t mention it. Don’t think it’s the best option since you’ve got to jam the door shut because of a cable or modifier the cfast door. Personally, I don’t think it’s worth it.
I might buy one because it will be perfect for my needs for years and above 4k is a waste for me and forever will be especially for online videos that get compressed @@alexshotthese
Bought my first C200 for full boat $7,500 in 2017 to shoot a documentary. It was great. Had some quirks, still does but I agree, the 8 bit 4:2:0 is completely usable for 80% of things if you know how to light and expose like a pro. Is 10-bit 4:2:2 better? Obviously. Will your clients care? 90% of them, no. The RAW is amazing quality and I have five 256GB EgoDisk CFast cards so that nets me 170 minutes of RAW, if needed. The RAW to ProRes dance is now super quick and easy with my M1 Max MBP. I just scored a second C200 off Ebay with only 124 hours, it's like new, for $2k as I wanted to have a second one for live streaming and live broadcast. The camera is unique, and very misunderstood. At the time it came out, Canon was selling the C300MKII so it's not unexpected that Canon never put a 10-bit 4:2:2 codec into it because then nobody would have bought the C300 MKII. The C200 is basically a RAW camera. If you're not going to primarily shoot RAW with it, you're buying the wrong camera. People just basically wanted what the C300 MKIII turned out to be, a 10bit 4:2:2 camera that also shot RAW internally and Canon gave it to them. Sadly now though, the FX9 won the race and I see used C300 MKIIIs NOT selling even priced at $5,500 used because the freelancer market/clients demand FX9/FX6 only, it's almost like Canons don't exist anymore in the Southern California market. If you don't freelance and are a production company or your clients don't care which camera you use, C200 is a STEAL at $3,500 new or $2k used. Still plenty of EF lenses around, I scored a CN E 18-80 for a very good deal a couple of years ago. With my C200s that lens look amazing as well as with my EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS II. Thinking about adding an EasyRig MiniMax to the stable and some DZO Vespids too for another documentary I have coming up, the C200 has a lot of life left in it. The C70 had a great sensor and makes beautiful images, but the ergonomics suck, it's built pretty crappy and fragile and no SDI was a dealbreaker for me, I'd much rather shoot CRL with a C200 for clients than with a C70. Proper XLRs, SDI out, a decent form factor, the C200 to me is just a better, more professional tool than the C70, even though the C70 has a better sensor and codecs.
Awesome comment! Thanks for watching too. Yeah the C200 is still a workhorse and all around great camera. Even now the C200B is $1999 which is a steal! I have noticed a lot of C300mkiii’s for sale…that’s a shame. Canon really shot themselves in the foot with that. Also, while the C70 produces an amazing image, the body and ergonomics suck. We have one here at work and it absolutely feels 100% cheap. Screen is lose and the buttons feel terrible. The way the C200 is laid out is a dream.
@@alexshotthese Thanks Alex. I agree. It's funny how things have shifted the past decade. Canon had a revolutionary pro camera with the C300 MKI. It was THE camera to get in the mid level corporate as well as documentary space, even though it cost $16K at the time! Then Sony came out with the FS7 which started to swing the pendulum but the FS7 had awful SOOC colors, like some of the worst I've ever seen but the SLog 3 footage could be graded to look good, but it's AF was useless. Then Canon came out with the C300 MKII, which sold pretty well but lacking the 4K 60p that a lot of shooters really wanted but it did have noticeably better AF. Sony then came out with the FS7 MKII, which fixed some of the original FS7s issues and it sold well and sales and use of the 300 MKII went way down from what I experienced. Great camera but TERRIBLE design with the ultra tall dorky monitor perched so high on the handle and the TWO thick cables from body rear to handle top that were an accident waiting to happen. When Canon came out with the C300 MKIII, it did really well in sales, I shot a TV series with it and it is a great camera. But once the FX9 had been out for a while, it basically buried the C300 MKIII and I'm not quite sure why? I've shot both of them and I find them pretty much equal objectively, the electronic variable ND on the FX9 is a KILLER feature, but clients wouldn't care about that. The AF on the FX9 is slightly better than the 300 MKIII but not by a lot. Even though S-Cinetone was a huge improvement for Sony, objectively, I find the C300 MKIII SOOC colors better than the Sony but not by a lot. Once again, stuff that clients would never notice. But for some reason, the FX9/6/3 completely took root in the freelancer world, it's literally the only camera that about 75% of freelance clients, like through Crews Control, Production Hub, Staff Me Up, will accept, if they care about cameras. Not all do, but more than half seem to. It seems weird to me that the freelancer market isn't more 50/50 between the Canon/Sony and same with BMD, most clients have never heard of it and won't hire you if you tell them you have a UMP 12k or a Pocket 6K Pro. Anytime I get a freelance shoot where the client has already shot on the east Coast or in Europe or internationally, they are ALWAYS going to tell me, "We shot FX9 in London/etc. and need to hire a DP with FX9 in LA so all of the footage matches." Understandable, but just makes getting work if you are a Canon or BMD owner very difficult with these sorts of corporate and even broadcast shoots.
@danbrockettDOP oh I know. I worked for a production house that used the C300 for a long time until we moved into RED, but the C300 still has a nice image even in 2023. It’s crazy how that shifted though…I’ve never been a big fan of Sony after getting burned by their cameras and colors, but I do appreciate how far they’ve come with their colors and autofocus. I agree though I’d think they’d have a shared market. Also, kind of weird of clients to say no to a UMP 12K or Pocket 6K. If you were to shoot raw then they’d have a lot of flexibility to match that camera with Sony. Unless they just don’t have the time or talent to match them. I’m hoping Canon can shift the market again. I enjoy canons and the way they render an image.
@@alexshotthese It seems like to be the market leaders in low to mid level cameras, it’s always going to be either Canon or Sony for the foreseeable future. Panasonic has made and makes some good cameras, BMDs are amazing, REDs seem like they’ll continue to be quirky niche cameras. I think Fuji could be a player but they don’t seem to want to be, they seem happy in the stills and hybrid space. It’ll be interesting to see if Canon can wrest the zeitgeist back from Sony.
@danbrockettDOP love my pocket and canon. Both have their places in my workflow. RED can produce some great images, but I do think they can be overhyped. Fuji made that XH2S that looks like it produces an amazing image and agree, wish Fuji would make a cinema camera. Would love to see them hop in the ring.
this is what i did ✨ bought C200 with new batteries and should rig for 1600€ absolute steal in my opinion i also got sigma 24-105mm f4 for 200€. considering the 18-35 any lens recommendations?
@@alexshotthese I also need to get a Cfast to SSD- adapter. The package included 128gb card but that’s like what 15 minutes of shooting time. I found out that there are some chinese adapters for around 100€
Actually really comparable. The only thing I’d say is the C200 has over the C100mkii is more bitrate info being recorded. C100mkii is like 24mbps-35mbps where as the C200 is recording 150mbps. Just makes it more of a denser file but the C100mkii is no slouch. It’s magic how the image is put into that small of a file size.
@@alexshotthese I appreciate the info! I’ve been shooting with the C100 Mk2 for a while now and couldn’t love it anymore than I do! It’s been a wonderful quality, easy to use camera with file sizes so small I’m still always shocked. But I have been getting more clientele requesting 4K files, but I don’t need anything elaborate or even 10 bit. I think it’s simply a matter of those clients editor requesting 4K for whatever reason, but I need to accommodate. I think the 1080 coming out of the C100mkii is more than sufficient for anything I do. But I need to pick up something to complement my EOS R on client shoots because I only use the EOS for tight shots we have to move around a lot. Great quality videos you’re putting out btw, you’ll be big in no time!
@@alexshottheselove the lighting on this vid as well, how you put the white light on the subject but has yellow lighting behind you. What lights are you using on yourself here? It’s sharp but still soft
The C200B was just on sale for $1999 so I would have said that would have been a good deal. It’ll drop down to $2499 again. Not sure why to put it back up to $3999 which is more expensive than the normal C200. I’d say it comes down to what you’re going to be doing with them. The C70 doesn’t have an EVF, but it’s tiny form factor is something you can pretty much pack up and take anywhere. C70 is also a lot lighter so if you plan on doing any handheld work you’ll probably get some micro jitters. C200 has the EVF and it’s got heft to it, but with that it’s a bitch to try and take anywhere with you and be discreet. C70 does have a better image though, but C200’s raw is a great image to this day. Just takes up a lot more space. Can’t talk to the C70’s raw and how much space it takes up. From others videos on its raw it looks wonderful. Again, really comes down to what you plan on doing with it.
I have my C100 Mk2 , Im TRYING to find a reason to sell or trade it in... But i cannot , its just so good for what it is still. Its my run and gun do anything camera.
Couldn't agree more. It's still a nice option in 2023 even though it's pretty much discontinued. There's just something about the image that is still pleasing.
Yeah it’s downsampled in camera, but it’s a sharp 1080p. So upon export just choose to export it in 4K. Then you have your 4K file. TH-cam compression also favors 4K files too. So when you shoot on it and upload in 4K it doesn’t get too compressed.
Just picked up a used c200 for 1500 usd. It’s beautiful, but looking to grab an extra BPa60 canon battery. It hurts seeing the 429 new price. Do you think getting a used battery is wise? They seem to go for 220-270 used on adorama.
Dang that’s a great price for a used C200!! Honestly, I’d maybe look at even an off brand on Amazon if you’d like to save a little money. The battery may not last as long as the official canon one, but it’d be close.
What is the low light ability like on the c200 like? Also, are you able to do any videos on exposing as well, as it seems confusing with not being able to output a lut over hdmi, seems it would be difficult to expose.
I don't personally own the C200 anymore. When I did have it though it was decent in low light, but honestly no where near the range of, say, the Sony A7siii or FX3. I also never personally put a LUT on my monitors to expose since I generally expose to the right. Canon's seem to be notorious in the fact that, if you're not clipping your highlights and are on the edge of doing so then you can bring it all down in post, but once you introduce noise in the shadows it's a pain to remove/hide.
I am pretty much in the same position I want to upgrade to a 4K camera just to get a little better quality, but I cannot replace the size of the files of of the C 100 mark ii.. do you know any thats pretty close to it?
Unfortunately not. I mean if you upgrade to the C200 the MP4 file sizes are like 130-140mbps compared to C100mkii’s 24-35mbps. It really is tough to give up the C100mkii’s file sizes. If you go the C200 route it’s not too bad though.
@@alexshotthese interesting. I do have it but when I used it I didn't like it. I may need to test it out again. I didn't realize the blacks were so crushed in that profile and I underexposed it a bit. I will experiment again with it. Thanks
Yeah, I talked to the guy who made it to get confirmation that it was created in the c-log profile, which it was, but he did say the shadows will be darker so it’s best to probably slightly over expose and bring highlights down in post. Also, depending on what your shooting, fill the shadows with some fill or setup a second light. So far I’ve really loved the look of the profile.
I want to be fully be onboard. It’s just that the FX30 exists 😂not to mention perhaps an XH-2s for the same price as a C200 right now. Or perhaps an R7 with ND filter drop ins + hot shoe XLR. BUT if you want to be a an official filmmaking gang member / certified them obviously roll with a c300 markII or C200! 😂
Those are all great options too. I’m just stating how the price of the C200 now justifies what you get out of it. Those other cameras you mentioned would be great, but you still have to kit them out to be proper cinema camera where as the C200 is just ready to go out of the box.
that true all great options but these cameras are way more user friendly in a film maker sense. like the assist tools for exposure are really help full and they are ready to go out of the box :)
FX30 has awful low light performance some of the worst I have seen damn near as bad as micro 4/3 and its apsc and it also has really bad dynamic range and a really bad rolling shutter that jellos with any and all movement. Its a really cheap sensor.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Upon further research it was indeed released in 2017. It was announced May and available for purchase in August. Maybe it became more popular in 2018?
I bought mine from B&H in the Summer of 2017 and I was one of the first ones in the country to have one. I had it on pre-order for six months and mine was the first batch.
As I state in the video, everything you get for the C200 I don’t think it’s overpriced at all. Full size xlr’s, battery that lasts for a long while, built in ND filters, the ability to shoot 8bit as well as canon’s Raw light, and it being an EF mount means you should be able to find plenty of lens options. Also, the C200B, which is just the body of the camera is now on sale for $1,999
Plenty of other videos out there showing the footage of the C200, but if you look through my videos you’ll see a doc I did with the C200 if your curious to see what I shot with it.
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I miss my C100 & C200. It’s crazy how much the C200 has dropped in price. Such a stealllll right now. Great video man!
I know! I missed the C100mkii so much I picked one up again myself. The C200 deal right now is definitely a steal!
@TailGate Tinkerer I switched over to Sony. I would say yea, fond memories, simplicity, great image quality. Not that what I’m using doesn’t also give me those things. Part of it is nostalgia for me but also the fact that they are great cameras that have aged well.
I recently picked up a Canon C200 for under $2k. I bought it because I needed a camera that wouldn't overheat. Canon M200 - overheated. Canon R6 - overheated . Canon R10 - overheated. The best camera is the one that doesn't shut down when you are shooting an event.
The fact that I bought this for 1500€ is crazyyyyy, I always dreamed about this
That’s a great deal! It still is a great camera.
The seller had two cards :) plus 4 batteries@@alexshotthese
Nice. So $1500 for 16 hours used one on eBay is a deal I just pulled the trigger on. 🙌🏼
Holy crap that's a great deal! I just picked one up used as well for around that price but had 702hrs. Body was in pristine condition though so my guess it was just a studio cam. These cameras are meant to go for a long time so I'm probably good for another 700hrs, but I doubt I'd ever make it to that with my style of shooting.
Canon RAW Light has always edited smoothly on PC. Most Mac’s, especially the older ones just don’t have the GPU power to process it. You really want a PC with an Nvidia GPU.
The other day, B&H had the C200B on their deal zone for $1999 brand new! I shoot professional work on the C70 now, but to have the C200 option available at the prices we're seeing today is crazy! I remember paying almost $6000 for the C100MK1 ten years ago, LOL
I saw that! It was such a good deal! I was really tempted, but I know I have a C100mkii and the pocket for raw footage. I remember paying about $4500-5000 around 5-6 years ago for the C100mkii brand new as well.
Man, this makes it hard to consider the fuji xh2s when the c100 mark II and the C200 are out there at a similar price. One would still have to kit out the mirrorless options whereas these models, you can pick it up and shoot. Great video. Thank you!
Yeah man! The XH2s is a great camera, but exactly my point…you’ll be over the cost of those cameras if you kit it out.
8bit 420 outperforms film since you get 9 stops with 35mm film. People are spoiled and get caught up in specs. C200 is an insane value. I own a C100mk2 and a C200 both bought used. Amazing how much bang for the buck you get.
Awesome combo. I love the C100mkii. Still an awesome camera! I do now have a C200 though, but only because I wanted to move away from HDMI and use SDI. I mean, among other reasons, but that was definitely a pro on my list.
That's just not true. Negative 35mm film has around 13 stops of dynamic range for colour and 15 for black and white. Projection film has about 8 stops, but that's the analog equivalent to a rec709 and was only used to print the movie, not shoot it.
Used right now the C200 runs for 2500 and 2000 for the C200B and a c100 MKII used is 800-1000 dollars
True, the used market for the C200 is even better. Just have to decide how much you'd be willing to spend!
Good points - C200 price drop is probably an indicator of the coming new Canon offerings. The C200 is an odd duck and not being able to 10bit 422 internally to SD is ridiculous -reason I didn't buy one when it came out. Good points about the 8 bit Canon codec - as a C100 M2 cult member it still amazes me the image quality and gradability you can get out of these tiny files. That said I finally have conceded it is what it is. I've tried everything to push the quality of my C100 files up (especially in the shadows) but you just can't pull anything more out of limited codec. I know when I finally upgrade to 4K 10bit 422 I'll say "Why did I wait so long?" but for what I shoot (lots of concerts and daylight documentary) C100 still serves me. Need more commercial work to justify the upgrade!
Absolutely agree that having 10bit will help push the grade, but even in 10bit, if you don’t watch your shadows and try to pull them up, you’re bound to introduce terrible noise and artifacts. 10bit is definitely better, but the 8bit out of canon’s cinema line has been pretty amazing and that’s coming from a guy who owns an R5 and pocket 4k! I’ll always hold a soft spot for the C100mkii though. I just know with the price drop of the c200, it’s now worth it! At least in my opinion. Thanks for watching and commenting, always means a lot.
@@alexshotthese I really wish Canon had kept the form factor of the C100 M2 and just come out with a C100 M3 with 4k 10 bit 422 on SD.. You nailed it - the noise and artifacting are my biggest pain points on the C100 files. My biggest shooting complaint is the fact you can't move the focus point - I can forgive the terrible face recognition, and fair autofocus if you could just move the focus point - would be really helpful.
There’s a trick I use that I learned from Philip Bloom. If you set your side handle’s button, which I think is 7, to AF lock. Then you can position the camera to get your focus, tap 7, it locks the AF, and then pan it back to your original composition. That is if you’re doing any talking head stuff and if that person isn’t moving around a ton.
@@alexshotthese Thanks - always looking for C100 workflow tips!
the price drop raises my tension for the C200MkII
Absolutely, but the rumor is it’ll be more of a cube shape, similar to the Panasonic BSH1, and will have a multifunctional hot shoe for an xlr adapter. Again, only rumors, but not digging the sound of that.
Crazy how people forget you can use an SSD with the C200.
Didn’t forget that, but just didn’t mention it. Don’t think it’s the best option since you’ve got to jam the door shut because of a cable or modifier the cfast door. Personally, I don’t think it’s worth it.
I’ve definitely started eyeing the C200 used as they’ve even dropped to $2,600. I’ve always wanted that cam
Yep! It really is a great camera now in 2023. The price matches what you get with it.
I might buy one because it will be perfect for my needs for years and above 4k is a waste for me and forever will be especially for online videos that get compressed @@alexshotthese
Bought my first C200 for full boat $7,500 in 2017 to shoot a documentary. It was great. Had some quirks, still does but I agree, the 8 bit 4:2:0 is completely usable for 80% of things if you know how to light and expose like a pro. Is 10-bit 4:2:2 better? Obviously. Will your clients care? 90% of them, no. The RAW is amazing quality and I have five 256GB EgoDisk CFast cards so that nets me 170 minutes of RAW, if needed. The RAW to ProRes dance is now super quick and easy with my M1 Max MBP.
I just scored a second C200 off Ebay with only 124 hours, it's like new, for $2k as I wanted to have a second one for live streaming and live broadcast. The camera is unique, and very misunderstood. At the time it came out, Canon was selling the C300MKII so it's not unexpected that Canon never put a 10-bit 4:2:2 codec into it because then nobody would have bought the C300 MKII. The C200 is basically a RAW camera. If you're not going to primarily shoot RAW with it, you're buying the wrong camera.
People just basically wanted what the C300 MKIII turned out to be, a 10bit 4:2:2 camera that also shot RAW internally and Canon gave it to them. Sadly now though, the FX9 won the race and I see used C300 MKIIIs NOT selling even priced at $5,500 used because the freelancer market/clients demand FX9/FX6 only, it's almost like Canons don't exist anymore in the Southern California market. If you don't freelance and are a production company or your clients don't care which camera you use, C200 is a STEAL at $3,500 new or $2k used. Still plenty of EF lenses around, I scored a CN E 18-80 for a very good deal a couple of years ago. With my C200s that lens look amazing as well as with my EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS II.
Thinking about adding an EasyRig MiniMax to the stable and some DZO Vespids too for another documentary I have coming up, the C200 has a lot of life left in it. The C70 had a great sensor and makes beautiful images, but the ergonomics suck, it's built pretty crappy and fragile and no SDI was a dealbreaker for me, I'd much rather shoot CRL with a C200 for clients than with a C70. Proper XLRs, SDI out, a decent form factor, the C200 to me is just a better, more professional tool than the C70, even though the C70 has a better sensor and codecs.
Awesome comment! Thanks for watching too. Yeah the C200 is still a workhorse and all around great camera. Even now the C200B is $1999 which is a steal! I have noticed a lot of C300mkiii’s for sale…that’s a shame. Canon really shot themselves in the foot with that. Also, while the C70 produces an amazing image, the body and ergonomics suck. We have one here at work and it absolutely feels 100% cheap. Screen is lose and the buttons feel terrible. The way the C200 is laid out is a dream.
@@alexshotthese Thanks Alex. I agree. It's funny how things have shifted the past decade. Canon had a revolutionary pro camera with the C300 MKI. It was THE camera to get in the mid level corporate as well as documentary space, even though it cost $16K at the time! Then Sony came out with the FS7 which started to swing the pendulum but the FS7 had awful SOOC colors, like some of the worst I've ever seen but the SLog 3 footage could be graded to look good, but it's AF was useless. Then Canon came out with the C300 MKII, which sold pretty well but lacking the 4K 60p that a lot of shooters really wanted but it did have noticeably better AF. Sony then came out with the FS7 MKII, which fixed some of the original FS7s issues and it sold well and sales and use of the 300 MKII went way down from what I experienced. Great camera but TERRIBLE design with the ultra tall dorky monitor perched so high on the handle and the TWO thick cables from body rear to handle top that were an accident waiting to happen.
When Canon came out with the C300 MKIII, it did really well in sales, I shot a TV series with it and it is a great camera. But once the FX9 had been out for a while, it basically buried the C300 MKIII and I'm not quite sure why? I've shot both of them and I find them pretty much equal objectively, the electronic variable ND on the FX9 is a KILLER feature, but clients wouldn't care about that. The AF on the FX9 is slightly better than the 300 MKIII but not by a lot. Even though S-Cinetone was a huge improvement for Sony, objectively, I find the C300 MKIII SOOC colors better than the Sony but not by a lot. Once again, stuff that clients would never notice.
But for some reason, the FX9/6/3 completely took root in the freelancer world, it's literally the only camera that about 75% of freelance clients, like through Crews Control, Production Hub, Staff Me Up, will accept, if they care about cameras. Not all do, but more than half seem to. It seems weird to me that the freelancer market isn't more 50/50 between the Canon/Sony and same with BMD, most clients have never heard of it and won't hire you if you tell them you have a UMP 12k or a Pocket 6K Pro. Anytime I get a freelance shoot where the client has already shot on the east Coast or in Europe or internationally, they are ALWAYS going to tell me, "We shot FX9 in London/etc. and need to hire a DP with FX9 in LA so all of the footage matches." Understandable, but just makes getting work if you are a Canon or BMD owner very difficult with these sorts of corporate and even broadcast shoots.
@danbrockettDOP oh I know. I worked for a production house that used the C300 for a long time until we moved into RED, but the C300 still has a nice image even in 2023.
It’s crazy how that shifted though…I’ve never been a big fan of Sony after getting burned by their cameras and colors, but I do appreciate how far they’ve come with their colors and autofocus. I agree though I’d think they’d have a shared market. Also, kind of weird of clients to say no to a UMP 12K or Pocket 6K. If you were to shoot raw then they’d have a lot of flexibility to match that camera with Sony. Unless they just don’t have the time or talent to match them.
I’m hoping Canon can shift the market again. I enjoy canons and the way they render an image.
@@alexshotthese It seems like to be the market leaders in low to mid level cameras, it’s always going to be either Canon or Sony for the foreseeable future.
Panasonic has made and makes some good cameras, BMDs are amazing, REDs seem like they’ll continue to be quirky niche cameras. I think Fuji could be a player but they don’t seem to want to be, they seem happy in the stills and hybrid space.
It’ll be interesting to see if Canon can wrest the zeitgeist back from Sony.
@danbrockettDOP love my pocket and canon. Both have their places in my workflow. RED can produce some great images, but I do think they can be overhyped. Fuji made that XH2S that looks like it produces an amazing image and agree, wish Fuji would make a cinema camera. Would love to see them hop in the ring.
this is what i did ✨ bought C200 with new batteries and should rig for 1600€
absolute steal in my opinion
i also got sigma 24-105mm f4 for 200€. considering the 18-35
any lens recommendations?
Absolutely the sigma 18-35mm and either the sigma 50-100 or 70-200mm sport version. Sigma art series of lenses have been really great.
@@alexshotthese Okay great! Will do :)
@@alexshotthese I also need to get a Cfast to SSD- adapter. The package included 128gb card but that’s like what 15 minutes of shooting time.
I found out that there are some chinese adapters for around 100€
How would you compare the 1080 footage of the c100 mkii to the 8 bit 4K footage of the c200….?
Thanks!
Actually really comparable. The only thing I’d say is the C200 has over the C100mkii is more bitrate info being recorded. C100mkii is like 24mbps-35mbps where as the C200 is recording 150mbps. Just makes it more of a denser file but the C100mkii is no slouch. It’s magic how the image is put into that small of a file size.
@@alexshotthese I appreciate the info! I’ve been shooting with the C100 Mk2 for a while now and couldn’t love it anymore than I do!
It’s been a wonderful quality, easy to use camera with file sizes so small I’m still always shocked.
But I have been getting more clientele requesting 4K files, but I don’t need anything elaborate or even 10 bit.
I think it’s simply a matter of those clients editor requesting 4K for whatever reason, but I need to accommodate.
I think the 1080 coming out of the C100mkii is more than sufficient for anything I do.
But I need to pick up something to complement my EOS R on client shoots because I only use the EOS for tight shots we have to move around a lot.
Great quality videos you’re putting out btw, you’ll be big in no time!
@@alexshottheselove the lighting on this vid as well, how you put the white light on the subject but has yellow lighting behind you. What lights are you using on yourself here? It’s sharp but still soft
With the c200 prices dropping so much, do you think a c200 mk II is on the horizon?
Debating on the C70 or C200 with lenses. BH Photo has them around the same price.
The C200B was just on sale for $1999 so I would have said that would have been a good deal. It’ll drop down to $2499 again. Not sure why to put it back up to $3999 which is more expensive than the normal C200.
I’d say it comes down to what you’re going to be doing with them. The C70 doesn’t have an EVF, but it’s tiny form factor is something you can pretty much pack up and take anywhere. C70 is also a lot lighter so if you plan on doing any handheld work you’ll probably get some micro jitters. C200 has the EVF and it’s got heft to it, but with that it’s a bitch to try and take anywhere with you and be discreet. C70 does have a better image though, but C200’s raw is a great image to this day. Just takes up a lot more space. Can’t talk to the C70’s raw and how much space it takes up. From others videos on its raw it looks wonderful.
Again, really comes down to what you plan on doing with it.
I have my C100 Mk2 , Im TRYING to find a reason to sell or trade it in... But i cannot , its just so good for what it is still. Its my run and gun do anything camera.
Couldn't agree more. It's still a nice option in 2023 even though it's pretty much discontinued. There's just something about the image that is still pleasing.
@@alexshotthese I agree.. Other than not being 4k output I cant find a reason to not use it.
The great workaround for that is to just export 4K since it’s a 4K sensor downsampled in camera.
@@alexshotthese Is this something new , The 4k is downsampled internally to FHD. So i was under the impression a clean 4k could not be pulled from it.
Yeah it’s downsampled in camera, but it’s a sharp 1080p. So upon export just choose to export it in 4K. Then you have your 4K file. TH-cam compression also favors 4K files too. So when you shoot on it and upload in 4K it doesn’t get too compressed.
Not having 10 bit internally is the biggest issue
For me, personally, I can look past that. 10bit would have been nice, but I really do love the RAW image out of this camera.
Just picked up a used c200 for 1500 usd. It’s beautiful, but looking to grab an extra BPa60 canon battery. It hurts seeing the 429 new price. Do you think getting a used battery is wise? They seem to go for 220-270 used on adorama.
Dang that’s a great price for a used C200!! Honestly, I’d maybe look at even an off brand on Amazon if you’d like to save a little money. The battery may not last as long as the official canon one, but it’d be close.
@@alexshotthese Core SWX - Pro Batteries.
Are those the ones with a usb port and d-tap port on them?
@@alexshotthese I have one of those yes. Great batteries.
Yeah those are awesome batteries.
What was the rig holding the monitor on? Looks great!
What is the low light ability like on the c200 like? Also, are you able to do any videos on exposing as well, as it seems confusing with not being able to output a lut over hdmi, seems it would be difficult to expose.
I don't personally own the C200 anymore. When I did have it though it was decent in low light, but honestly no where near the range of, say, the Sony A7siii or FX3. I also never personally put a LUT on my monitors to expose since I generally expose to the right. Canon's seem to be notorious in the fact that, if you're not clipping your highlights and are on the edge of doing so then you can bring it all down in post, but once you introduce noise in the shadows it's a pain to remove/hide.
Thank you for this video! Great insight!
Thank you for watching and commenting! Glad I could help!
I'm gonna buy this cam on ebay, but it has no lens, can I use my Canon 60D lens for this?
Should work no problem. What lens do you have?
Lighting and lenses matter more than the camera. I would take your money and just buy good lenses and lighting
@@michaeldstern I ended up buying an Ursa 12k
@@jessicawinslet684 do you like it
I am pretty much in the same position I want to upgrade to a 4K camera just to get a little better quality, but I cannot replace the size of the files of of the C 100 mark ii.. do you know any thats pretty close to it?
Unfortunately not. I mean if you upgrade to the C200 the MP4 file sizes are like 130-140mbps compared to C100mkii’s 24-35mbps. It really is tough to give up the C100mkii’s file sizes. If you go the C200 route it’s not too bad though.
@@alexshotthese thank youu
how did you get this image out of the c100mkii? Im still struggling to get a image i like out of it.
If you haven’t bought the Owlbot color profile then I suggest you do. Changed the whole color profile for me and it’s been great.
@@alexshotthese interesting. I do have it but when I used it I didn't like it. I may need to test it out again. I didn't realize the blacks were so crushed in that profile and I underexposed it a bit. I will experiment again with it. Thanks
Yeah, I talked to the guy who made it to get confirmation that it was created in the c-log profile, which it was, but he did say the shadows will be darker so it’s best to probably slightly over expose and bring highlights down in post. Also, depending on what your shooting, fill the shadows with some fill or setup a second light. So far I’ve really loved the look of the profile.
Can you use c100 MarkII grip on C200B?
Unfortunately not. The connection is on the outside instead of on the inside where the grip connects.
Yeah you get raw but it’s useless cuz files too big
Yeah files are big. You can have proxies recorded as you record raw too, but again it’s just another work around/another step.
I want to be fully be onboard. It’s just that the FX30 exists 😂not to mention perhaps an XH-2s for the same price as a C200 right now. Or perhaps an R7 with ND filter drop ins + hot shoe XLR. BUT if you want to be a an official filmmaking gang member / certified them obviously roll with a c300 markII or C200! 😂
Those are all great options too. I’m just stating how the price of the C200 now justifies what you get out of it.
Those other cameras you mentioned would be great, but you still have to kit them out to be proper cinema camera where as the C200 is just ready to go out of the box.
that true all great options but these cameras are way more user friendly in a film maker sense. like the assist tools for exposure are really help full and they are ready to go out of the box :)
FX30 has awful low light performance some of the worst I have seen damn near as bad as micro 4/3 and its apsc and it also has really bad dynamic range and a really bad rolling shutter that jellos with any and all movement. Its a really cheap sensor.
C200 still rulez ;)
The Canon C200 only came out in 2018
Thanks for watching and commenting. Upon further research it was indeed released in 2017. It was announced May and available for purchase in August. Maybe it became more popular in 2018?
I bought mine from B&H in the Summer of 2017 and I was one of the first ones in the country to have one. I had it on pre-order for six months and mine was the first batch.
$3500 for this is over priced in 2023
As I state in the video, everything you get for the C200 I don’t think it’s overpriced at all. Full size xlr’s, battery that lasts for a long while, built in ND filters, the ability to shoot 8bit as well as canon’s Raw light, and it being an EF mount means you should be able to find plenty of lens options.
Also, the C200B, which is just the body of the camera is now on sale for $1,999
You van get it used in amazing condition, with less than 2500 Dollars
you just made a video without any footage is the not the definition of stupid?
Plenty of other videos out there showing the footage of the C200, but if you look through my videos you’ll see a doc I did with the C200 if your curious to see what I shot with it.