Imagine the comedian the brutal, relentless and sadistic man because he understands that the world is an ugly place, is horrified by your plan of “peace”
Are you really surprised? This is the world we live in right now. Our nations are run by the brutal, relentless, and sadistic. And when we demand peace, they shoot us for it.
He is horrified because he knows Veidt's Plan will work, and that would mean he would have ot answer for his actions if he still lived. basically he Was a nihilist, but once he realzied what was up with Veidt, Hope crept back in...and so did the realization of what he did in his lifetime.
@@waragainstmyself1159 Not even a hypothesis. It's a fact. That is LITERALLY why he was crying in this scene. Rewatch the scene and pay attention to his dialogue. He mentions his regrets along with Ozy's plan (when he mentions the "names on the list").
@NoLaKazi There's actually a few comic mini series they made on just that for each character, to varying degrees of quality. The Minute Men one was actually great though imo, has some nice Darwyn Cooke art on top of an interesting story
Comedian was like the lone conspiracy theorist that stops giving a fuck. He finds some serious shit out that spooks even him so you know it's bad. He tried warning people but knew it was pointless. It's kind of heartbreaking tbh
It’s more like his life of being a complete murdering asshole can no longer be justified by nuclear war wiping the slate clean, because someone actually managed to get the better of humanity to save them from themselves
@@apachejano1872 Honestly.... with just how much of a hot mess cesspool American society is right now.... I'm dang near getting to that point myself. All roads lead to the black pill ; it's just a matter of how each person decides to cope with it. All I care about is myself and the people close to me. To hell with this rotten fucked up society.
3:08 “Whatever tf her name is.” .... Even during his drunken breakdown, he is still the Comedian. Idk if that line was in the script or if he improvised it. So it was either good writing or good acting.
One of the things I love about this scene is the display of how much in-story theater occurs between all of the characters. Here, we see that the comedian was perfectly capable killing Moloch at will as he could locate him and access his sleeping area undetected, but elects only to precisely locate and interact with him during a moment of personal revelation and disclosure. The comedian saying that Moloch was the closest thing he had to a friend just kind of seals the concept of this sort of interplay.
He found out something that he couldn't deal with and the most appropriate person he could disclose it to (from his perspective) was his nemesis. It doesn't get much more lonelier than that.
The over view story in the comics was on point but this is exacrly the kind of story wich details can make it a fucking masterpiece, for me the movie is better in that sence, the visual novel is a bit goofy. Before anyone asks im not saying either is better just saying in that sense the movie is
There's actually two scenes at Moloch's apartment in the graphic novel. In one of them Rorchach is in the fridge like you said, but there is another one where he's hiding behind him. He actually stuffs Moloch in the fridge for a bit in the book lol.
@@ivanadriazola1991 The comic was partially about showing how ridiculous and Extra superheroes would actually look in real life The movie didn't actually get the satire angle, which is a shame
@FBI Alypstick and instead of killing that child killer with a Cleaver after handcuffing him to the wood stove he did a lot more. He tossed him a hacksaw saying if he wanted to get out this was his ticket, but then he told him it was pointless. He then set the entire room on fire, which set the whole house Ablaze in a few minutes. He stood outside on the sidewalk and watched it burn for an hour.
That was a good and very strong played scene. And a very interesting one! Sometimes two individuals that fight constantly against each other are sometimes closer to each other than to their "comrades" on the same side. I remember from a history lesson that the canadian pilot Roy Brown, who was an adversary to the "Red Baron", fell apart and cried when he saw the dead body of the german pilot, believing that he has killed him. Sometimes it's very strange, the human emotions...
That is one way to look at it, but i'm pretty sure it was to show just how pathetic he really was in the end since the only person he had to turn to was his arch enemy.
The Comedian knew that deep down he probably had more in common with Molloch, a villain, than with the others (besides maybe Rorschach, but he just looked at him like any other lunatic). Kinda like the dynamic with Batman and Joker. They are archenemies, but they both subconciously feel "completed" by the other, like yin and yang, and that killing the other would leave a big hole in their lives.
There's a bit in the comic (might also be in the movie, I don't remember) where the first nite Owl talks about running into an old enemy in the grocery store and they get to talking and become friends reminiscing over the good old days. it's a quick scene but it really shows how heroes and villains despite being on opposite sides are really the only people they can connect to.
To everyone that says that Comedian is heartless, when he was over fighting WW2, he once got injured and almost died, but he got saved by a native woman and her son, and they showed him compassion, which he had never gotten from anyone before, and he actually began to care for them. Nonetheless, some officer found the area and burned it despite Comedian telling him about the Woman and Child living there, and the Comedian tried go back in to rescue the people, however, only the woman survived, who then got killed by the officer. The Comedian then went apeshit and quietly killed the officer and the soldiers that burned the area later that night.
The same man would later go on to execute a woman; a woman pregnant with his child, by shooting her in the head at close range seconds after telling her to fuck off and die. You can really tell the love he had for her in this scene; doesn’t the heart just jump out of the screen at you? It maybe mixed with hair, skull and brain matter but those are also parts of your body like the heart is so there.
He did mean to do those things, but now he regrets it, only in the face of the magnitude of what Veidt plans to do. If you mean he didn't mean to admit it, then maybe so.
@@MetAlcboy Comedian got a government hall pass and didn't even let the guilt settle until the end. Meanwhile Moloch lived a normal life after accepting consequences for his crimes. They both did awful things but only one of them reflected and realized he was messed up and tried to be better without looking down the figurative barrel of a gun
this movie was absolutely perfectly casted but standouts are Comedian and Rorschach. to be able to convey things with a faceless mask, just through body language and a tilt of your head. just amazing. and JDM was amazing as comedian…his smile. his perfectly evil MISCHIEVOUS smile. this movie will always remain criminally underrated.
He has no PTSD, you realize by his personality. He didn't care about everything that happened in Vietnam at the time, he didn't have a trauma from a specific episode in his life. It is very clear that he considers everything, all his life ("it's all a fucking joke"). He has no PTSD, he has depression.
He's not. He just thinks all the crap he did all his life was nothing but utter crap, because he specifically chose to do crap. I don't know why now though.
Rorschach is often though as a brutal, unforgiving character; but this clip (at the end) shows he has mercy (a little bit) in him. Makes him more heroic and believable.
@@MapleMaf1a You should consider Rorshach's point of view to understand the meaning behind this scene. Rorshach is known for his ruthlessness in the series, he isn't the type to just spare someone on a whim . Rorshach is strict with his ideals , if he thinks someone deserves punishment for his crime he will not back down.
The Oscar is a mere gold trophy given by a committee of yes men who accept money from the big guys... Only the spectators can decide what's really good or not.
"Here I am spilling my guts to one of my arch enemies! The truth is, you're the closest thing to a friend I got. What the fuck does that say?" I think this speaks out as the Comedian considering himself a villain just as Molach because of all the bad things that he has done. In other words they are not so different. The only reason why he considers Molach a friend is the fact that he is a villain and was real about it. Whereas those that the Comedian works with claim to be heroes are actually the real villains. Hence "It was all a joke."
The reason the Comedian saw Moloch as a friend was because he recognized the common thread between the two of them - self interest. Whereas Moloch was open about his intentions to serve his own interests as a 'villain' in the past, the Comedian chose to pretend that he served America or some abstract notion of justice in order to serve his own need for bloodshed and violence. The Comedian simply realized that he was no better than any of the people he was hunting and Moloch was one of the few hunted that still existed.
4:19 -- damn, great line, even better delivery. Great performance. Zack Snyder has the power to get glory from things. The potential is there. The potential.
@@aguynamelex3146Yet he was talking about both the writing and the delivery, was he not? On the list of good things that came from the comic, line delivery isn’t one of them. That’s purely between the actor and director.
2:48 Very underrated, relatable line. You won't know who your friends are until you're at your absolute lowest. And even then, they might not come to your aid, like the Comedian is finding out.
This scene is very good acting. And I notice that Matt Frewer who plays Edgar Jacobi/Moloch has done the voice of Sid the Squid in the episode The Man Who Killed Batman in Batman: The Animated Series.
I really wish that there was some flashback about the 2 of them fighting so this scene would have made more impact with people. The truth is Moloch was an extremely complex character and in the end, he becomes a true hero. It's sad how even in the Ultimate Cut don't see too much about him and his life but it's a movie after all and it's only natural that they had to cut out things that weren't vital to the story.
me too like that one scene where Blake comes across his operation to take him and when he finds him he's crying over the news because the president was shot so Blake sat down and cried with him
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The guy did his time but the 'heroic' masks wouldn't stop fucking with him. He was rehabilitated, they weren't.
Question, with SPOILERS! In the comic, the Comedian accidentally finds the island that Veidt is using to create the squid he's going to destroy Manhattan with. But what/how does he find out in the movie?
I thinking that Nixon gave comedian a hit list. With all the minutemen and the villians. Look at the scene here then the one with night owl and the comedian breaking up the protest. Then list to ozy talk about the comedian at the end. Comedian did have a silencer gun next to him when ozy kicked through the door. Comedian states something like i knew it was just a matter of time.
Wow the comedian is sad his arch enemy is the only person to talk to and one of the few people at his funeral, you gotta wonder who was the real villain
Some people are saying that the Comedian is upset because if Veidt's plan works than he'll be held to account for all the wrong he's done. I don't think that that's it at all. All this time the comedian's been taking life as a joke so as to hide from the pain he feels in living in such a harsh world. This isn't to excuse the atrocities he's committed as in the end he wound up as part of the problem. Veidt's plan broke him because in that moment it was, to him, sheer concrete evidence of just how Nihilistic the world really is and in the end he couldn't take it anymore. It was never the world he wanted to be in and he was left with the realization that he was nothing but a sad, pathetic and immoral wreck of a human being. The punchline is that the Comedian died attempting to be a Whistleblower. The type of person he would routinely kill for the US government for the sake of the "greater good".
But there is also some truth to being forced to confront his own convictions as well, because he specifically mentions the things he did in places like Vietnam. It’s basically him realizing that he let his own worst impulses take over because he believed extinction was inevitable and the slate would always be wiped clean, but only when realizing that Adrian’s plan will succeed and save humanity, does he realize that this is his punishment for his lifetime of depravity.
Nah i think its just that the comedian realized he was indirectly responsible for this by scoffing veidt in that other scene. He basically gave veidt the idea without even realizing it.
What he said was very sad and that he was telling the truth even towards old friends and enemies. I'm sure that in that universe he will be forgiven by God.
oh, pleases god is the ultimate comedian. war, racism murder, genocide rape, tsunamis, terrorism, reality tv(ie kardashiens and tmz), Putin, Trump, 9/11 stalin, hitler, saddam, colonialism, etc, etc...it's all one big comedy act. At least comedian and joker don't act like it all makes sense like every one else does. Aug 22, 2018.
I found this similar to Batman and Joker having a bonding moment in the rain Or in the book - Optimus and Megatron after Sentinel was killed, Megatron was legit done with fighting and didn’t care if Optimus killed him. This ending I liked, as Optimus and Megatron both fought Sentinel and killed him. And both decided to get off of Earth
Man I would love to see a Watchmen movie or read a Watchmen comic that focused on their heyday. The story focused on before they were hated and were the heroes. I would love to see them fighting not just criminals, but villains and rivals. Its just so interesting.
That would kind of defeat the purpose of the comic's story. One of the points was they weren't really heroes in the ideal comic book sense. They were facists/authoritarians in stupid masks and were making shit worse, which is what would happen if they existed in the real world.
In the graphic novel there are intervals between chapters of Hollis Manson's book "Under the Hood." It goes into detail about Hollis, Sally, Comdian, and all the others during the hieght of their careers. How they worked together, how the world viewed them. Definatley recommend checking it out
[SPOILER] He knew of Veidt's plan to safe the world and the terrible cost. Even though he tried to see the world as a joke, the idea of millions of people dying was shocking to him. But he knew that a nuclear holocaust was imminent because of the escalating cold war and Veidt's plan was mankind's best shot at peace. The strain of knowing that a lot of innocent people were going to die, but not being able to act upon it for moral reasons was too much. Even for a cynical man like him. You could also argue that hope broke him. The comedian was the man he was because he believed that mankind would blow up the planet during his life time. A lot of people sincerely believed this during the cold war, and not without reason. Everyone was dead already in his eyes, so his cruelty didn't matter. Hell was coming anyway, his actions were small compared to that. Veidt offered hope, however. The comedian really believed that he had a chance at saving the world. This maybe sparked his conscience back to life. How was it fair to deny millions of people that new peacefull world by sacrificing them? With a chance at a future, he could no longer justify cruelties like this to himself. But he could not stop Veidt or he would condemn the enterity of mankind. His rekindled hope and conscience weighed down so heavily on him that he simply broke down.
ghoawaynetcabo In the movie universe: He found out Ozymandias' plans to kill millions. In the comics: He found Adrian's secret island by accident, snooped around, found the list (that he mentions to Moloch) and ran into the murderous alien that Adrian created to murder millions.
Ate least in the film, it does not appear he knows Ozymandias's entire plan. He only saw Moloch's name on a list but did not know what the list was. It appears that he saw the plan to massacre millions though. The shear brutality of it was overwhelming. Although he was a cynic and made many mistakes, he never lost his moral center. Adrian had no moral center, or at least a psychotic one.
Amaury Boyle-Hebron Moloch had those in the comic. Actually in the comic, he had them surgically done that way to better fit his villians character . The actors ears IRL are normal
When you've fought in one history's most unspeakably gruesome wars and have the government connections to understand the stakes of the inevitable nuclear disaster at hand, putting on a costume and ganging up on another guy in a costume that commits petty crimes seems kinda pointless.
It's not just the plan it's the fact that he is the one who put that idea in Ozymandias head. He pointed out to Ozy that the crime busts they were doing were pointless because humans horrible nature will likely lead to nuclear destruction when you look at the big picture. In the movie it's that scene when he tells Ozy after the nukes fall he will be the smartest man on the cinder. He is not just shattered by the plan he is shattered because he feels personally responsible for what was about to happen to a lot of totally innocent people all because he accidently steered Ozy into the direction of such a drastic plan.
Many good comicbooks, in both companies. What blew me away, some ears ago, was the story of Spiderman, in Spider-Man: Reign. I am sad when people insist comparing DC with Marvel and find one of those two lacking. They have good moments. And they had very bad moments. But those good moments are.. breathtaking.
"I done some bad things..." That line hit home too hard for me. I don't want to think about that line too much. I watch capeshit so I can dodge those kind of horrible truths, Goddamnit.
Imagine A-Train visiting Hughie and spilling his guts like this in The Boys. S4 Spoilers: After the whole arc he’s been through, and being estranged by his brother and nephews, Hughie and Annie might be the closest things he has to friends. We already see him helping the two out more than usual in the last couple of episodes. M&M even thinks they can get him to defect to their side.
Ok can someone in the world validate my sick mind? Is there anyone else who for years thought Rorschach said 'made from African tits' only to find out its 'apricot pits'? It just seemed so in character!
The "it's all a joke" line doesn't hold as much water in the movie, what with the ending changed so drastically. The idea of launching a squid to kill half of New York sounds so ridiculous, like the end of some Ray Bradbury story, that it has to be a joke. The fact that it isn't completely breaks Eddie as a person. But, by replacing the squid with a giant laser beam, the "joke" isn't nearly as "funny", so to say.
“American love; like coke in green glass bottles, they don't make it anymore” Perhaps not, but that hasn't prevented me from drinking a few bottles of coke on green bottles. My grandmother had bought a bottle crate for Christmas one year. Raspberry flavor, coke and orange and so on. And a few glass bottles of 7up, all of them green. Due to a mistake, the green bottles were filled with coke instead of 7up (Guess it could be worse, one guy drank from a beer bottle filled with lye). The moral is; if coke on green bottles are still possible, then so is American love (assuming Rorschach/Moore is correct about his claims).
Do you know what moloch is, moloch was a god that was prevalent in Palestine when the Jews were returning from Israel. What set moloch apart from other false gods was that moloch demanded children to be sacrificed to him.
Because the people on the list are personally connected to Manhattan, Ozzy knew Manhattan finding out about the cancer would break him and cause him to leave Earth. This would then allow Ozzy to set up his bombing plot, and Dr. Manhattan’s outburst at the interview and consequent exile would back it up
I can feel for him. I was taking the amygdalene for a while there. They told me I had pheochromocytoma. That would be cancer of the adrenaline glands. Just like him. You know the kind of cancer you get better from? That ain't the kind I got
From what precious-few 'interviews' one can find here on youtube (with Matt Frewer) it leaves me wincing to see him (and yes, I know it HAD to have been a stunt-man) bashed-around like that, because he is literally the LAST character-actor I'd want to see physically-assaulted...this DESPITE how Moloch was 'supposedly' an 'arch-enemy' of the Comedian...if you know Matt, you can't envision him doing 'bad things'...but...I am grateful Snyder pulled Frewer into this movie, because (for me) it certainly worked on MULTIPLE-levels. I don't care what the nay-sayers complain about...I feel 'The Watchmen' is one of THE most under-rated movies, in the last few-decades...and it's a shame.
This scene reminds me of a scene in dumb and dumber when loyd is waiting for Mary Swanson at a bar and he asks the bartender if he knows her and he says yes in an excited tone, so loyd grabs him and says “what’s that supposed to mean?” And the bartender desperately says “she has dinner” so loyd let’s go of him.
I know he’s had a particularly old age but you’re all forgetting the guy was a super villain in his youth plus he was enemies with the comedian and Dr. Manhattan. I don’t see why you should show some sympathy for him. I never seen sympathy been given druglords that look like they’re about to die in their old age, so why should people give sympathy for all the villains?
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Imagine the comedian the brutal, relentless and sadistic man because he understands that the world is an ugly place, is horrified by your plan of “peace”
Are you really surprised? This is the world we live in right now. Our nations are run by the brutal, relentless, and sadistic. And when we demand peace, they shoot us for it.
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Violence will cause more violence, it's a never ending cycle.
He is horrified because he knows Veidt's Plan will work, and that would mean he would have ot answer for his actions if he still lived.
basically he Was a nihilist, but once he realzied what was up with Veidt, Hope crept back in...and so did the realization of what he did in his lifetime.
@@Teixas666 That's the dumbest hypothesis I've ever read. Stop it.
@@waragainstmyself1159 Not even a hypothesis. It's a fact. That is LITERALLY why he was crying in this scene. Rewatch the scene and pay attention to his dialogue. He mentions his regrets along with Ozy's plan (when he mentions the "names on the list").
Poor Moloch. Dude just wanted to live what was left of his life and had those two nuts just breaking in and freaking him out at whim.
Lol for real
Then the 3rd nut just kills him out right
@NoLaKazi Being Moloch is suffering ;_;
@NoLaKazi There's actually a few comic mini series they made on just that for each character, to varying degrees of quality. The Minute Men one was actually great though imo, has some nice Darwyn Cooke art on top of an interesting story
And in the end, the one guy who tried to do the "right" thing (Rorschach) wound up being the sacrifice.
The acting is strong in this scene
4:43 is that a very small part of Sounds of Silence I hear in the background?
in every scene*
Fr too strong 💯💯
Comedian was like the lone conspiracy theorist that stops giving a fuck. He finds some serious shit out that spooks even him so you know it's bad. He tried warning people but knew it was pointless. It's kind of heartbreaking tbh
It’s more like his life of being a complete murdering asshole can no longer be justified by nuclear war wiping the slate clean, because someone actually managed to get the better of humanity to save them from themselves
@@alistairwalker2850 So basically the Comedian was rendered obsolete. Looks like Ozzy did get the last laugh!
That’s literally me .. I couldn’t give a fuck about anything anymore .. it all just seems pointless
@@apachejano1872 gotta pray, and keep God in your heart.... it's all comin' to an end soon.
@@apachejano1872 Honestly.... with just how much of a hot mess cesspool American society is right now.... I'm dang near getting to that point myself. All roads lead to the black pill ; it's just a matter of how each person decides to cope with it. All I care about is myself and the people close to me. To hell with this rotten fucked up society.
3:08 “Whatever tf her name is.” .... Even during his drunken breakdown, he is still the Comedian. Idk if that line was in the script or if he improvised it. So it was either good writing or good acting.
One of the things I love about this scene is the display of how much in-story theater occurs between all of the characters. Here, we see that the comedian was perfectly capable killing Moloch at will as he could locate him and access his sleeping area undetected, but elects only to precisely locate and interact with him during a moment of personal revelation and disclosure. The comedian saying that Moloch was the closest thing he had to a friend just kind of seals the concept of this sort of interplay.
There is an actual reason he couldnt kill him.
He found out something that he couldn't deal with and the most appropriate person he could disclose it to (from his perspective) was his nemesis. It doesn't get much more lonelier than that.
In the comics Rorschach actually hid *IN* Moloch's fridge and attacked him right when he opened it
The over view story in the comics was on point but this is exacrly the kind of story wich details can make it a fucking masterpiece, for me the movie is better in that sence, the visual novel is a bit goofy.
Before anyone asks im not saying either is better just saying in that sense the movie is
There's actually two scenes at Moloch's apartment in the graphic novel. In one of them Rorchach is in the fridge like you said, but there is another one where he's hiding behind him. He actually stuffs Moloch in the fridge for a bit in the book lol.
@@ivanadriazola1991 The comic was partially about showing how ridiculous and Extra superheroes would actually look in real life
The movie didn't actually get the satire angle, which is a shame
@FBI Alypstick and instead of killing that child killer with a Cleaver after handcuffing him to the wood stove he did a lot more. He tossed him a hacksaw saying if he wanted to get out this was his ticket, but then he told him it was pointless. He then set the entire room on fire, which set the whole house Ablaze in a few minutes. He stood outside on the sidewalk and watched it burn for an hour.
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That was a good and very strong played scene. And a very interesting one! Sometimes two individuals that fight constantly against each other are sometimes closer to each other than to their "comrades" on the same side. I remember from a history lesson that the canadian pilot Roy Brown, who was an adversary to the "Red Baron", fell apart and cried when he saw the dead body of the german pilot, believing that he has killed him. Sometimes it's very strange, the human emotions...
That is one way to look at it, but i'm pretty sure it was to show just how pathetic he really was in the end since the only person he had to turn to was his arch enemy.
Ryan Martin aren't we all.
The Comedian knew that deep down he probably had more in common with Molloch, a villain, than with the others (besides maybe Rorschach, but he just looked at him like any other lunatic). Kinda like the dynamic with Batman and Joker. They are archenemies, but they both subconciously feel "completed" by the other, like yin and yang, and that killing the other would leave a big hole in their lives.
There's a bit in the comic (might also be in the movie, I don't remember) where the first nite Owl talks about running into an old enemy in the grocery store and they get to talking and become friends reminiscing over the good old days. it's a quick scene but it really shows how heroes and villains despite being on opposite sides are really the only people they can connect to.
@@ghostfacedude93 Speak for yourself.
Some fun trivia: the actor playing Moloch is the same one who played Max Headroom in the 80s.
Fuck you.. i totally believe you.
Ah shit fuck should have said
"Huh unlikely story.. probably true"
And Pestilence in Supernatural
And Sherlock Holmes in **Baskerville Hound** (2002) and Leader in **Incredible Hulk** (1996) TV cartoon
You know i didnt even think about who he was at all. Actor wise.
But now after the triv fact you posted i see the resemblance.
imagine waking up to your biggest enemy sitting on your bed drunk and babbling nonsense. thatd be terrifying and confusing
Ironic isn't it.
To everyone that says that Comedian is heartless, when he was over fighting WW2, he once got injured and almost died, but he got saved by a native woman and her son, and they showed him compassion, which he had never gotten from anyone before, and he actually began to care for them. Nonetheless, some officer found the area and burned it despite Comedian telling him about the Woman and Child living there, and the Comedian tried go back in to rescue the people, however, only the woman survived, who then got killed by the officer. The Comedian then went apeshit and quietly killed the officer and the soldiers that burned the area later that night.
He's got PTSD from hell
Erm. Was this in the book? Or is this some Before Watchmen crap?
@@AgentMorgan2010 Before Watchmen: Minutemen, honestly the best out of that cash grab
The Comedian knew the world ain't shit
The same man would later go on to execute a woman; a woman pregnant with his child, by shooting her in the head at close range seconds after telling her to fuck off and die. You can really tell the love he had for her in this scene; doesn’t the heart just jump out of the screen at you? It maybe mixed with hair, skull and brain matter but those are also parts of your body like the heart is so there.
2:08 Blake finally confess his crimes and the mess up things he did through his life, but he didn’t mean to do it.
He did mean to do those things, but now he regrets it, only in the face of the magnitude of what Veidt plans to do. If you mean he didn't mean to admit it, then maybe so.
Andre Battiste he is a physco
@@jadenbryant9283 I disagree. I think he's a human that made mistakes in life and he took time to think about his past actions and bad descisions.
John-EoDoe he raped a woman and murdered a pregnant woman
@@MetAlcboy Comedian got a government hall pass and didn't even let the guilt settle until the end.
Meanwhile Moloch lived a normal life after accepting consequences for his crimes.
They both did awful things but only one of them reflected and realized he was messed up and tried to be better without looking down the figurative barrel of a gun
this movie was absolutely perfectly casted but standouts are Comedian and Rorschach. to be able to convey things with a faceless mask, just through body language and a tilt of your head. just amazing. and JDM was amazing as comedian…his smile. his perfectly evil MISCHIEVOUS smile. this movie will always remain criminally underrated.
I feel like the comedian is suffering from PTSD.
That's a common thing for war veterans
suffering from a conscience
He has no PTSD, you realize by his personality. He didn't care about everything that happened in Vietnam at the time, he didn't have a trauma from a specific episode in his life. It is very clear that he considers everything, all his life ("it's all a fucking joke"). He has no PTSD, he has depression.
He's not. He just thinks all the crap he did all his life was nothing but utter crap, because he specifically chose to do crap. I don't know why now though.
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Rorschach is often though as a brutal, unforgiving character; but this clip (at the end) shows he has mercy (a little bit) in him. Makes him more heroic and believable.
More like he is more ruthless than we thought, he leaves moloch to die slowly and hopelessly from an in curable disease.
@@xyzyoutuber1562 we might as well all be considered evil then for not killing cancer patients.
@@MapleMaf1a You should consider Rorshach's point of view to understand the meaning behind this scene.
Rorshach is known for his ruthlessness in the series, he isn't the type to just spare someone on a whim . Rorshach is strict with his ideals , if he thinks someone deserves punishment for his crime he will not back down.
Ironically he does know how the world really is, that's why he's crying and he's the realest character in the movie
this movie is a very long string of very well done scenes that people just don't get.
JDM just gave spilling guts a whole new meaning.
How did this movie not get an Oscar.
This movie deserves an Oscar
The Oscar is a mere gold trophy given by a committee of yes men who accept money from the big guys...
Only the spectators can decide what's really good or not.
"here I am spilling my guts to my arch enemy" that's pretty poetic
"Here I am spilling my guts to one of my arch enemies! The truth is, you're the closest thing to a friend I got. What the fuck does that say?" I think this speaks out as the Comedian considering himself a villain just as Molach because of all the bad things that he has done. In other words they are not so different. The only reason why he considers Molach a friend is the fact that he is a villain and was real about it. Whereas those that the Comedian works with claim to be heroes are actually the real villains. Hence "It was all a joke."
The reason the Comedian saw Moloch as a friend was because he recognized the common thread between the two of them - self interest. Whereas Moloch was open about his intentions to serve his own interests as a 'villain' in the past, the Comedian chose to pretend that he served America or some abstract notion of justice in order to serve his own need for bloodshed and violence.
The Comedian simply realized that he was no better than any of the people he was hunting and Moloch was one of the few hunted that still existed.
Spot on!
One thing I like about my enemies; they never start loving you. They never turn to lovers the way lovers always turn to enemies.
4:19 -- damn, great line, even better delivery. Great performance. Zack Snyder has the power to get glory from things. The potential is there. The potential.
That came from the comic
@@aguynamelex3146Yet he was talking about both the writing and the delivery, was he not? On the list of good things that came from the comic, line delivery isn’t one of them. That’s purely between the actor and director.
"Totally Nude Girls" now that's a sign that understands my delicate tastes.
2:48 Very underrated, relatable line. You won't know who your friends are until you're at your absolute lowest. And even then, they might not come to your aid, like the Comedian is finding out.
This scene is very good acting. And I notice that Matt Frewer who plays Edgar Jacobi/Moloch has done the voice of Sid the Squid in the episode The Man Who Killed Batman in Batman: The Animated Series.
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He's also the iconic Max Headroom
Matt Frewer is one of the most underrated actors of all time. He was even good in Lawnmower Man 2, and that movie SUCKED on ICE.
I really wish that there was some flashback about the 2 of them fighting so this scene would have made more impact with people.
The truth is Moloch was an extremely complex character and in the end, he becomes a true hero. It's sad how even in the Ultimate Cut don't see too much about him and his life but it's a movie after all and it's only natural that they had to cut out things that weren't vital to the story.
He doesn't really become a hero, more a guy who just lives his life.
Doesnt appear much in comic either i think
@@napalmkitty6686 He doesn't at all. 2 out of 12 issues I believe lol
After reading before watchmen I feel realy bad for Moloch😢
me too
like that one scene where Blake comes across his operation to take him
and when he finds him he's crying over the news because the president was shot
so Blake sat down and cried with him
The guy did his time but the 'heroic' masks wouldn't stop fucking with him. He was rehabilitated, they weren't.
MP R the watchmen universe is bloody insane the villains are more sane than the heroes lol
Don't be. He's a massive piece of shit.
None of us get out alive
Rorschach journal: Mission report - December 16th, 1991
Moloch is the freaking neighbor dad from Honey I shrunk the kids
bloodguzzler damn, he is? Now I need to check
Holy crap you're right!!
And Max Headroom
Lmao
That's sad one of his enimies is the closest thing to a friend he has.
Like so many of the scenes in this film, this was very well done. Makes me wish the film had been 5 hours long.
before watchmen gave me a lot of much needed insight on this
This movie is a visual masterpiece
The gnarliest beatdown of this movie is the one Moloch's door took throughout the film
That's why The Comediam should be on Mk11. And he will, mark my words.
He would be good, but I think they may just keep the joker there instead, as he already fits the comedians personality somewhat.
@@reygannelson8090 raroshsch could work on mortsl kombst 11 guest chrectior as well
"I'm Not "Moloch" AnyMore!"
(I Understand The "Hurt" in That Line.)
1:33 I was expecting him to say *SWEAR TO ME!!!!*
Question, with SPOILERS!
In the comic, the Comedian accidentally finds the island that Veidt is using to create the squid he's going to destroy Manhattan with. But what/how does he find out in the movie?
I thinking that Nixon gave comedian a hit list. With all the minutemen and the villians. Look at the scene here then the one with night owl and the comedian breaking up the protest. Then list to ozy talk about the comedian at the end. Comedian did have a silencer gun next to him when ozy kicked through the door. Comedian states something like i knew it was just a matter of time.
I believe he found a list of the people that Ozy had given cancer in order to frame Dr. Manhattan as being carcinogenic
@@Shotokan1001 You are correct.
“Lie again Moloch, I break another finger.”
Wow the comedian is sad his arch enemy is the only person to talk to and one of the few people at his funeral, you gotta wonder who was the real villain
And moloch was the only one who gave the comedian flowers at his funeral
@@hatlessjet7802 I never noticed that!
Oh wow...I just realized that:
Moloch = Max Headroom
Some people are saying that the Comedian is upset because if Veidt's plan works than he'll be held to account for all the wrong he's done.
I don't think that that's it at all.
All this time the comedian's been taking life as a joke so as to hide from the pain he feels in living in such a harsh world.
This isn't to excuse the atrocities he's committed as in the end he wound up as part of the problem.
Veidt's plan broke him because in that moment it was, to him, sheer concrete evidence of just how Nihilistic the world really is and in the end he couldn't take it anymore.
It was never the world he wanted to be in and he was left with the realization that he was nothing but a sad, pathetic and immoral wreck of a human being.
The punchline is that the Comedian died attempting to be a Whistleblower. The type of person he would routinely kill for the US government for the sake of the "greater good".
But there is also some truth to being forced to confront his own convictions as well, because he specifically mentions the things he did in places like Vietnam. It’s basically him realizing that he let his own worst impulses take over because he believed extinction was inevitable and the slate would always be wiped clean, but only when realizing that Adrian’s plan will succeed and save humanity, does he realize that this is his punishment for his lifetime of depravity.
@@alistairwalker2850 Well said! You make it even sound like the Comedian is o death row, contemplating his life before the "hangman" shows up.
Nah i think its just that the comedian realized he was indirectly responsible for this by scoffing veidt in that other scene. He basically gave veidt the idea without even realizing it.
Comedian killed everyone he faced. How can someone be his Enemy for decades
The island he was talking about was epstein Island foreshadowing
What he said was very sad and that he was telling the truth even towards old friends and enemies. I'm sure that in that universe he will be forgiven by God.
Eric Santana nope
Eric Santana
God? Fuck God. He's the biggest joke out there.
oh, pleases god is the ultimate comedian. war, racism murder, genocide rape, tsunamis, terrorism, reality tv(ie kardashiens and tmz), Putin, Trump, 9/11 stalin, hitler, saddam, colonialism, etc, etc...it's all one big comedy act. At least comedian and joker don't act like it all makes sense like every one else does. Aug 22, 2018.
Is that the guy that plays the neighbour in Honey I shrunk the kids?
God damn this is such a good movie.
I found this similar to Batman and Joker having a bonding moment in the rain
Or in the book - Optimus and Megatron after Sentinel was killed, Megatron was legit done with fighting and didn’t care if Optimus killed him.
This ending I liked, as Optimus and Megatron both fought Sentinel and killed him. And both decided to get off of Earth
Man I would love to see a Watchmen movie or read a Watchmen comic that focused on their heyday. The story focused on before they were hated and were the heroes. I would love to see them fighting not just criminals, but villains and rivals. Its just so interesting.
That would kind of defeat the purpose of the comic's story. One of the points was they weren't really heroes in the ideal comic book sense. They were facists/authoritarians in stupid masks and were making shit worse, which is what would happen if they existed in the real world.
In the graphic novel there are intervals between chapters of Hollis Manson's book "Under the Hood." It goes into detail about Hollis, Sally, Comdian, and all the others during the hieght of their careers. How they worked together, how the world viewed them. Definatley recommend checking it out
Bruh I could hear u holding in ur laugh during the comedians speech had me dead af 😂
the comedian is like , those people are worst than me
The actor who played Moloch is the same actor who portrayed Max Headroom in TV, o.O
It's Max Headroom!
fun fact, Moloch used to be Syd The Squid
What did the Comedian know or saw that broke him?
[SPOILER]
He knew of Veidt's plan to safe the world and the terrible cost. Even though he tried to see the world as a joke, the idea of millions of people dying was shocking to him. But he knew that a nuclear holocaust was imminent because of the escalating cold war and Veidt's plan was mankind's best shot at peace.
The strain of knowing that a lot of innocent people were going to die, but not being able to act upon it for moral reasons was too much. Even for a cynical man like him.
You could also argue that hope broke him. The comedian was the man he was because he believed that mankind would blow up the planet during his life time. A lot of people sincerely believed this during the cold war, and not without reason. Everyone was dead already in his eyes, so his cruelty didn't matter. Hell was coming anyway, his actions were small compared to that.
Veidt offered hope, however. The comedian really believed that he had a chance at saving the world. This maybe sparked his conscience back to life. How was it fair to deny millions of people that new peacefull world by sacrificing them? With a chance at a future, he could no longer justify cruelties like this to himself. But he could not stop Veidt or he would condemn the enterity of mankind. His rekindled hope and conscience weighed down so heavily on him that he simply broke down.
+MrSingularity44 I couldn't have said it better myself. well said. nihilism ftw
ghoawaynetcabo In the movie universe: He found out Ozymandias' plans to kill millions.
In the comics: He found Adrian's secret island by accident, snooped around, found the list (that he mentions to Moloch) and ran into the murderous alien that Adrian created to murder millions.
wtf. did you make this text all up by urself? i dont believe anyone can explain it better. will you be our morgan freeman? :>
Ate least in the film, it does not appear he knows Ozymandias's entire plan. He only saw Moloch's name on a list but did not know what the list was. It appears that he saw the plan to massacre millions though. The shear brutality of it was overwhelming. Although he was a cynic and made many mistakes, he never lost his moral center. Adrian had no moral center, or at least a psychotic one.
Matt Frewer is a great actor.
I fucking love this movie.
is he an elf?
kvnd7331 its a birth deformity
kvnd7331 some rare diseases have symptoms such as "Elven appearance", i.e pointy ears and nose..but yeah it could also be a birth defect.
Amaury Boyle-Hebron Moloch had those in the comic. Actually in the comic, he had them surgically done that way to better fit his villians character . The actors ears IRL are normal
He’s a South Pole elf
I always wondered how the comedian could come back from Vietnam and fight these costumed villains, probably thought it was beneath him.
When you've fought in one history's most unspeakably gruesome wars and have the government connections to understand the stakes of the inevitable nuclear disaster at hand, putting on a costume and ganging up on another guy in a costume that commits petty crimes seems kinda pointless.
Great I could feel the emotional spectrum.
Yes those two are both that big
If only Batman had a journal... that would make for a perfect Batman movie!!!
Its a nice touch how much the plan shatters the comedians jaded outlook.
It's not just the plan it's the fact that he is the one who put that idea in Ozymandias head. He pointed out to Ozy that the crime busts they were doing were pointless because humans horrible nature will likely lead to nuclear destruction when you look at the big picture. In the movie it's that scene when he tells Ozy after the nukes fall he will be the smartest man on the cinder. He is not just shattered by the plan he is shattered because he feels personally responsible for what was about to happen to a lot of totally innocent people all because he accidently steered Ozy into the direction of such a drastic plan.
I think he was also the voice of the nineties Pink Panther
whatever it is, he was still right, in the end, it was all a joke
I fucking love Watchmen!
Rorscah is awesome.
I see where this video ended. A man of culture i see
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You're one to talk about culture ; )
Had no idea that it was max headroom this whole time lmfao
Marvel. Dc. No chance for me this is closest thing to reality
Many good comicbooks, in both companies. What blew me away, some ears ago, was the story of Spiderman, in Spider-Man: Reign. I am sad when people insist comparing DC with Marvel and find one of those two lacking. They have good moments. And they had very bad moments. But those good moments are.. breathtaking.
1:48 crying?! The comedian?!
The comedian later regrets his actions crazy this shows he's human
Bad guys: lmao this is fun
The Good Guy: Ok let me try
Bad guys: oh oh we are fudged lmao *gets fudged*
Why is he beating that poor man
"I done some bad things..."
That line hit home too hard for me. I don't want to think about that line too much. I watch capeshit so I can dodge those kind of horrible truths, Goddamnit.
Imagine A-Train visiting Hughie and spilling his guts like this in The Boys.
S4 Spoilers:
After the whole arc he’s been through, and being estranged by his brother and nephews, Hughie and Annie might be the closest things he has to friends. We already see him helping the two out more than usual in the last couple of episodes. M&M even thinks they can get him to defect to their side.
What's with Moloch's Spock ears?
In the comic it's inferred he had them surgically altered for his villain personae as a demonic magician.
when i saw moloch i instantly thought of "Atomic Flounder" xD.
What would Dr Phil say about that.
The comedian is my favorite anti hero because he gets it
Ok can someone in the world validate my sick mind? Is there anyone else who for years thought Rorschach said 'made from African tits' only to find out its 'apricot pits'? It just seemed so in character!
I do know
The "it's all a joke" line doesn't hold as much water in the movie, what with the ending changed so drastically. The idea of launching a squid to kill half of New York sounds so ridiculous, like the end of some Ray Bradbury story, that it has to be a joke. The fact that it isn't completely breaks Eddie as a person. But, by replacing the squid with a giant laser beam, the "joke" isn't nearly as "funny", so to say.
because the squid would look stupid in CGI
@@spiderjerusalem4009 Have you seen the HBO series? They actually pulled it off. It looks properly scary and convincing
The best scene.
“American love; like coke in green glass bottles, they don't make it anymore”
Perhaps not, but that hasn't prevented me from drinking a few bottles of coke on green bottles. My grandmother had bought a bottle crate for Christmas one year. Raspberry flavor, coke and orange and so on. And a few glass bottles of 7up, all of them green. Due to a mistake, the green bottles were filled with coke instead of 7up (Guess it could be worse, one guy drank from a beer bottle filled with lye).
The moral is; if coke on green bottles are still possible, then so is American love (assuming Rorschach/Moore is correct about his claims).
Do you know what moloch is, moloch was a god that was prevalent in Palestine when the Jews were returning from Israel. What set moloch apart from other false gods was that moloch demanded children to be sacrificed to him.
02:04
When you graduate school and start working.
Amen
Lol
So great ❤️❤️
Why was Moloch on the list?
because he was the comedians enemies
Matt Frewer is the best.
Genius movie
Wasn't Moloch on Star Trek?????
3:03 .. Why would *Ozymandias* give everyone who was on _that list_ cancer?
Because the people on the list are personally connected to Manhattan, Ozzy knew Manhattan finding out about the cancer would break him and cause him to leave Earth. This would then allow Ozzy to set up his bombing plot, and Dr. Manhattan’s outburst at the interview and consequent exile would back it up
This is the perfect example of getting blackpilled
Max Headroom :)
i would never live in New York 🥺
I can feel for him. I was taking the amygdalene for a while there. They told me I had pheochromocytoma. That would be cancer of the adrenaline glands. Just like him. You know the kind of cancer you get better from? That ain't the kind I got
From what precious-few 'interviews' one can find here on youtube (with Matt Frewer) it leaves me wincing to see him (and yes, I know it HAD to have been a stunt-man) bashed-around like that, because he is literally the LAST character-actor I'd want to see physically-assaulted...this DESPITE how Moloch was 'supposedly' an 'arch-enemy' of the Comedian...if you know Matt, you can't envision him doing 'bad things'...but...I am grateful Snyder pulled Frewer into this movie, because (for me) it certainly worked on MULTIPLE-levels. I don't care what the nay-sayers complain about...I feel 'The Watchmen' is one of THE most under-rated movies, in the last few-decades...and it's a shame.
This scene reminds me of a scene in dumb and dumber when loyd is waiting for Mary Swanson at a bar and he asks the bartender if he knows her and he says yes in an excited tone, so loyd grabs him and says “what’s that supposed to mean?” And the bartender desperately says “she has dinner” so loyd let’s go of him.
Anyone know the song name at start?
Mine craft music
It's part of the original score by Tyler Bates, but as far as I can tell was not added to the score that Warner Records published.
I know he’s had a particularly old age but you’re all forgetting the guy was a super villain in his youth plus he was enemies with the comedian and Dr. Manhattan. I don’t see why you should show some sympathy for him. I never seen sympathy been given druglords that look like they’re about to die in their old age, so why should people give sympathy for all the villains?