I would like to apologize to the city of Milwaukee. I apologize for being unaware of your state. In my defence, I thought Los Angeles was the capital of California until I was 18.
My younger sister had a black cat that she named Moonshine. My older sister and I used to joke about calling him IA for "illegal alcohol", but he was a sweet kitty with a cute name. Passed away last year sadly, but at least he had a good life. Good to hear this Moonshine's doing well, if to judge by his cute reactions. =3
immediately after hearing the teacher wasn’t bothered, i turned to my mom (a juvenile therapist) and asked if 19 and 14 was weird even if you went to the same school, and she quickly said yes. so for the record, some adults are normal
I'm a teacher (in the UK) and that's a straight-up safeguarding issue. Idk the rules in Canada, but being alerted of this means mandatory reporting to the safeguarding officer. It could be that this had already happened, somehow been ruled ok, and the teacher had to say what the school told them to say. But the fact the teacher basically said "none of your business" makes it seem like they're just personally bad at the job 🙄
@@ScouseJazminthat teacher in general was just not a good person tbh. We once had a (very real and legitimate) school sh00ting threat and she made fun of us for being scared abt it
Teacher here, I teach 9th grade and 11th and believe me I routinely tell the 11th graders to leave the 9th graders ALONE, and the 9th graders that those seniors don’t actually like you, they like that you didn’t know them when they were in middle school. That 19 year old had NO business dating a 14 year old
@just.someperson yah... she got married and had a kid with someone still with a big age gap when she was underaged. She came from an abusive family, and I think she really just wanted to escape that life no matter what.
@epicswaggorl She had a learning disability, so she only thought that she could be a mom. Since I have 2 learning disabilities, I thought I could motivate her to pursue other goals, but it didn't end up that way.
i am soooo tired of stories where a man feels owed a woman's virginity and it's framed as romantic instead of abusive. i know it's the least of this books problems, but that specific trope of an ALPHA MALE being upset or wanting to be the one to "deflower her" or whatever it's called is so rampant it's even in otherwise average books.
@@dumbomni2859tbh if it’s a sweet relationship and it’s the main plot or something like one night stand (sometimes w famous people) turned co parenting turned marriage the i quite enjoy it occasionally. But SURPRISE PREGNANCY IN THE MIDDLE OF A NON RELATED STORY?! Nah. Ex
The biggest issue I have with these kind of ''''romance'''' books is that these '''authors''' don't even have a clue what they are writing about. And I am not talking about baseball. I don't think the author framed a grooming situation as a romance with malicious intent, or wrote a r*pe scene and pretends its just sexy time because they love r*pe. They just don't have a clue about consent or grooming or abuse. Most fan fictions have a better grasp on these concepts but somehow this still got a publisher. I hope no victim of abuse, who thinks the way they are being treated is normal, picks up one of these books.
I'm not as kind to those authors personally. I just don't believe you can write something like this, frame it that way, and be just a naïve idiot. It takes a lot of thinking and planning to write a decent book, it's not something you can do without having a clue.
@@MrDoenyon Perhaps you are right and just read too much awful fan fiction in my life. Anyway, I am sure at least the publisher knew what's going on. There is no excuse why this got published.
@@Louves192 Or maybe you are right and I'm just too much of a cynic. :D Who knows ! But yeah, if the author didn't know, and this was professionally published, the editors who worked on it, and the test readers must have.
@@tonyyao4785 so true, but I don't think this author would have been able to actually handle a plot line like that. It would be too interesting and grounded.
When she brought up the murders It was going to be Toby. Gotta find a way to rid of the main charecter's husband so the lead can hook up toghter after all.
Yea I thought it was like he was sent away from her so he was killing girls who looked like her to like “send a message” but then I realized this is a romance book and despite all the m love interest does he will never be shown in a bad light
how has the forbidden romance trope gone from “two people from rival families have a secret, consensual relationship despite adversity” into “CRIME!! TEACHER X HS STUDENT! HE IS 37 AND SHE IS 16 BUT IT’S *FINE* BECAUSE SHE LISTENS TO *PINK FLOYD* !!!” It has oversaturated the trope, and I don’t see it changing, sadly. I have seen people genuinely upset that the MCs were close in age. Absolutely rotten.
What makes it extra disgusting is that they literally could have aged her up like 2 years and if all would have been fine. She’s already the coaches daughter so ITS ALREADY FORBIDDEN! The age gap was just some revolting add on
This could have been a horror book. This could have been used to educate people but no it had to be a "forbidden romance". Horrofied to see 5 star reviews for this book online
9:07 "I have a teenage daughter. That's the only reason I need." This line is one of the most horrifying things I've ever read, because it's so real. Her father clearly knows that Chase is a dangerous, predatory person, but his only problem with hiring him, giving him money and a platform to enable to hurt more girls is the threat to his own family. He'll protect his own but let others become potential victims.
That intro about 19yo man dating a 14 year old girl hit close because i happened to be in class with this type of guy. He didn't pass first grade like 3 or 4 times and for some reason nobody kicked him out so when i got to highschool he was already legal adult in same class with literal children and guess what he did... of course he started grooming both girls and boys. I had bad vibes about him instantly but for some reason everyone admired him for being older (even tho he was a total loser who couldn't pass a grade) so i immediately became his target of bulling so this adult man was not only grooming 14 year olds but he was also mentally and physically abusing ones he couldn't since i wasn't the only one. Of course in same fashion i was always told im overreacting and jealous of his "girlfriends" every time i went to the teacher with concerns not even about me but others. It's been almost 10 years and i still think about this mainly because that was the most cruel bullying i have ever experienced but also because i lost many of my friends to his grooming. I'm still baffled he was not only allowed in school with minors but that every time i talked about it with adults i was antagonized. Your story made me feel a bit less lonely about that.
And some people have the gall to complain about “haters” and “negative” reviews in reader spaces when garbage like this book gets churned out. The content is so fundamentally disturbing, and I fail to see how GROOMING of all things is appealing to read for romance. The idea of engaging in young girls romantically or sexually is sickening. I’m convinced this is just subterfuge to get young girls to think getting hitched and knocked up as soon as possible is acceptable.
As someone who has been through a manipulative and abusive relationship (albeit a platonic one and not a romantic one) seeing this book with such an abusive relationship being marked as romance and light hearted on websites like goodreads and storygraph is just so shocking. It seems that this book was written with the author thinking this is a good and healthy relationship which just astounds me because HE ASSAULTED HER AND THERE IS NO WAY TO TWIST THAT INTO SOMETHING ROMANTIC. I thought this book was a dark romance or a psychological thriller when you were describing it, not an actual romance!
Even the 'dark romance' is just STRAIGHT up rape and abuse. Haunting Adeline is disgusting and people say they want a man like the main character. A stalker and rapist 🤮
Ngl, I forgot it was a "forbidden romance" book, and thought Chase was murdering those girls over his frustration about what happened with Ty. Like, he was willing to beat up a security officer out of frustration, and from what you've said, he already seemed a bit unhinged. *God, that would've been a better plot in a good mystery writer's hands.*
Nah, cause as a child of age gap parents myself, that 19 y/o was predatory for pursuing a 14 y/o. My parents had 20 years between them, but they didn't meet until my mom was almost 30 and had been in multiple long-term relationships with men her own age. Even they had issues in their marriage directly related to their age gap. Nothing about a dude in his mid-twenties pursuing a 17 y/o is even close to okay.
To cough on someone is more menacing than I never noticed "She did ruin your life, you're going to jail!!" is the best quote in this video, fr though, love this video, especially, your conclusion. I makes me so sad to think of how hard it is for people in such abusive/grooming relationships to stop blaming themselves.
Thank you for making this video. I was once a 17 year old being groomed by a 22 year old man who I lost my virginity to. Thankfully I left the first time he choked me or who knows what may have happened. I think if I'd stumbled across a video like this back then I might have made some different decisions and decided that I was worth more that what I felt I had to do or be treated like. I'm sure someone who needs to hear your message will see this video and be better for it.
This is not too dunk on you, but rather to recontextualise something very common for people: You choke when something is stuck in your airways, like food or some small object. When someone is restricting your breathing by adding external pressure to your neck whether with their hands or an implement, they are strangling you. You don't have to die for it to be strangling. I honestly think it's a conscious effort by people who want to sanitise their actions by removing it from the actual, correct descriptor, because "strangling" sounds too violent to be marketed successfully. Can strangling be okay if 100 % consensual and with loads of safety precautions and pre-planning? Yes. But brain damage is a thing, and there's not much margin of error to play around with there.
45:00 - Sooooo gay perverted serial killer trope mixed with making the genuine and good love interest suddenly turning evil in the final act to justify the FL leaving him for the significantly worse ML - AT THE SAME TIME? Wow, hit all the marks of these trashy books, and incredibly efficiently!
you can rewrite that murder pilot so easily to make more sense than the reporter being obsessed for no reason. And make the divorce make sense. Toby’s gay and Ty knows about the lovers (men of course). The reporter is an estranged ex lover obsessed and stalking Toby. NOT that I want Ty to be with chase. But Toby being outed would make a divorce make more sense considering she does love Toby. And I would hope a 4 year marriage means more than like a week of grooming. And this helps it be less of an after thought. However chase being the murder would have been more interesting. Chase killing yankee fans that looked like Ty because he was so obsessed with having her that no one could. Turn it into a classic stalking situation to start commentary on the topic rather than romanticizing grooming.
THANK YOU for saying this. I’m just under 19, but I’d already avoid a 17 year old romantically: the maturity gap is just too big! It feels like I’m going crazy sometimes with how normalized it is for grown ass men to drool over TEENAGERS with minimal life experiences and brains that aren’t anywhere near done cooking
Today is October 31st, 2024. The Yankees have lost the World Series to the LA Dodgers. Absolutely horrible news for the blonde women of the Moonshot universe NYC.
im gonna be honest, i was able to get to minute 19 but i dont think i can go on this book is going to traumatize me by proxy 😭 im gonna watch your other stuff so u dont miss out on views but i am genuinely horrified i cant listen to any more of this man 😭 i commend you for actually going through this
@@nichiejc dont worry i didnt mean it in a bad way 😅 just that i cannot compreehend how the coked up predator is the love interst like… even i can understand the appeal of dark/forbidden romance but lets face it this man is a bum lol 😭
So he’s not okay with figurative incest but doesn’t draw the line at pdf/ ephebophilia??????? Brother ewwwww what’s that brother It crazy to me how this and After could have been saved from earth’s gutter if it were written with at least 2 working brain cells
TBH I think that there doesn't need to be a distinction for ephebophilia vs pdfs. It's just one step to sanitize it, and it shouldn't matter - there's a line in the sand there. That isn't to contradict anything you said though, as ofc, you are right lmao
the minimum age to even be a ball girl is 18, so she cant even legally be a ball girl. and if the author was aiming for forbidden love, she's the coaches kid so making her a minor was deeply unnecessary
The first time I was groomed, I was in 9th grade. I asked people if it was okay, cause something just, felt wrong with that relationship. I had the same reaction from teachers, my friends, even my mom, "what, nooo you're still close enough in age." 13/14 and 19 is nasty and I will die on this hill with you.
bro wtf. even if she wasnt a literal CHILD it would be so hypocritical and abusive of him to be mad at her because she denied consent to his acts and had sex with someone else while HE was having sex with TWO people the very same night 😭 every second this sh1tshow just keeps getting worse
i don’t understand why some authors, especially women, are obsessed with this weird underage trope. the book would be fine if they were just the same age
One of the worse things about this book is also the fact the dad and a couple other people bring up the fact SHES a minor. Acknowledging this fact and that man was still like “ya, let me get some of that”
"I should have known" turned to "Don't you think I was too young? YOU should have known" 😭 48:20 don't blame yourself for these situations😢, the one at fault is the boy/man AND the unbothered teacher THEY should've known they're doing something bad, not you☹️
I am became increasingly angry as this video went on. I can't believe this is allowed for commercial sale, it's borderline CP and it's certainly grooming-apologia. But the part that got to me most was Ty blaming herself for the consequences of the scum's actions, that was a bit too close to home.
oh okay. he just sa'd her. it somehow got worse. throw this book in the fire and get the author in jail please i cant take this anymore this is so disgusting
4:15 when I was in middle school one of my friends was dating people my older brothers age. I was always the youngest person in my grade (late summer birthday) so I was 13, she was closer to 15 but the guy was either about to graduate HS or had the year before. I thought it was a little weird at the time, now obviously I know that it was super creepy. I phrase that I heard recently (I don’t remember who said it) was “if the grades don’t touch neither should you”
I had a friend in high school that was 15 who was dating a 23 year old. The kicker? Her parents knew! AND they approved of the relationship! In the end she ended up dumping him for being too immature.
Your story reminded me that I had a “boyfriend” (he was 19) when i was 14. I’m only now realising how narrowly I escaped something bad from happening. He asked me to go to Mexico with him, but I said I had school so I couldn’t go and he went without me. So glad I was such a goody two shoes.
i want you to know that i was making myself food while listening to this video and the moment you said "students used to piss in soap dispensers" i was shaking in some paprika. suffice it to say, my food will be very spicy.
I think if you genuinely rewrote this under the lense of thriller or psychological drama it would be a scarily real life depiction of grooming and the horrors of it. Kinda like when you take out the romantic music out of a romcom and it quickly becomes a stalker thriller. The coercion, the lovebombing, the adults around them who are either unaware or dont care, the fact that this girl is a plaything for this adult man because she knows no better. Its actually terrifying man.
It's so dumb that in TYOOL2024 we still have to clarify that age gaps are fine between adults 😮💨 give it a month + I bet there will STILL be people talking about their gma who had a long marriage with a man twice her age at 16. Yeah, mine too bruh, it's still sickening. 2024! Y'all need to 👏🏼 catch 👏🏼 up 👏🏼 with 👏🏼 morality.
idk why but the skz posters make the story at the beginning so much funnier it’s just the chaotic energy seungmin and changbin would want for the world
i got randomly recommended this but honestly i don't mind. almost feels like this is straight from early youtube either way good job sitting through this thing, i wouldn't have lasted past a couple chapters. i don't get the obsession with odd age gaps in romance
Wow this is the first video i stumbled upon from this channel. The way you make the video entertaining but also find a way to talk about serious topics like grooming is amazing. I'll definitely be watching more of you content
Good to know all those writers groups, beta readers and everything else like critique groups and so on were a complete waste of time for me and many other authors when stuff like this probably didn’t even get read through by the author.
Wisconsin has a lot of towns, districts and places that are named based off of the Native folks who were here before white folks (Most often, based off of a version transcribed by said Europeans to the point it's far removed from the original and barely recognizable). It's weird hearing someone go on about Milwaukee not being a real place, as I felt like it was one of the few cities folks outside of Wisconsin may be aware of. The history of place names though, such as Milwaukee, is pretty interesting to look into.
@@nichiejc You're fine, it was more a sense of it feeling curious to me than being offensive. It's just weird to me hearing someone in the U.S. not know where it is, even though I can acknowledge that of all the states out there....Wisconsin isn't super prolific, especially to a younger individual who doesn't live here.
books like these should stay in the writer's drafts lol. sure it's fiction but it should be obvious how weird it is to frame a coercive and abusive relationship as something 'cute', forbidden and to be desired. there even seems to be some degree of self-awareness in the book, considering how often ty's age is mentioned and how often characters such as chase's manager ( and to an extent ty's dad ) disagree with the relationship. and despite that, it's still treated as though it's cute. it's so weird. books like these - romanticising and misinterpreting tropes such as forbidden lovers - has become so much more common. i'm not saying it's a reflection of the author's values, as i doubt many of these authors would want this in real life and would prefer it to stay fictional. however i think many works such as these are meant to portray the author's sexual desire and fantasies, such as being with a dominating man. it's just weird that they projected that onto a **17 year old girl**, who is CONSTANTLY referred to as innocent. it's creepy, even if it is unintentional. turning 18 half way through the book isn't an excuse, she is still mentally a child oh my good god
Not being familiar with the story, I would like to hear more about the connection between William Howard Taft and the "7th inning stretch"... Also, I really appreciate the last four minutes.
I appreciate that the end of this video focused on the bigger issues in play here, though I very much enjoyed your commentary on the monstrosity that is this book as a...singular phenomenon...too. If you need a palate cleanser (a baseball romance with a happy, healthy relationship and a not overly contrived plot) I would recommend The Prospects.
As a diehard Brewers fan who was born and raised in Green Bay WI I was very offended by the Milwaukee slander. This book is wild though who writes this😭😭😭
i relate so much to ur story in the beginning. u have every right to be a hater, when i was a freshman in hs a couple had stopped in the middle of the stairs to make out with each other and i almost ate shit and fell down the fucking stairs. i did end up snagging a hole in my favorite pair of shoes though, so that's where my hatred for hallway couples TRULY began
I clicked on your video at random and I immediately trusted ever word you said based on your choice of feel special and kepi posters, keep spreading the truth ma'am ☝
Either this woman just chose the Torre name for its associations, and I feel bad for Joe Torre, or she was being passed around by the team while her dad managed... and I also feel bad for Joe Torre. I'm sorry to break the illusion, but it doesn't sound like this author is particularly informed about how amateurs enter professional baseball. Or, for that matter, that she'd be a lot less likely to be a ballgirl, and probably would be a "clubbie"; high school girls who help with things like team daycare. Hold on... his "this is how he tore up Stanford" story means he would have had to be applying to enter Stanford at 15, since for a college baseball player to be drafted, they have to be 3 years in college, even if one is a redshirt year. Then it would be very hard for his rookie contract to be expired in a way that he can say "fuck Milwaukee, Yankees or bust!" unless he was the kind of player the Yankees would never sign.
In the author’s note she she talked abt how her only exposure to baseball was going to a game ONCE and her husband being a batboy for the Twins when he was younger. So yea, I don’t doubt it
I would like to apologize to the city of Milwaukee. I apologize for being unaware of your state. In my defence, I thought Los Angeles was the capital of California until I was 18.
Haha I was born and raised in Milwaukee and that part made me cackle, you're good
LA isn't the capital of California??!
It's not????
We out here it's cool
@chocolatecoveredalmonds3528 @mykaluvy it's sacramento lol. some states have some random ass capitals
my cat looked up at “moonshot” his name is moonshine i had to be like no baby that’s not your name
thats so cute omg
I love cats
awesome name
Moonshine is the bestest boy
My younger sister had a black cat that she named Moonshine. My older sister and I used to joke about calling him IA for "illegal alcohol", but he was a sweet kitty with a cute name. Passed away last year sadly, but at least he had a good life. Good to hear this Moonshine's doing well, if to judge by his cute reactions. =3
the TEACHER wasn't bothered by the age gap relationship ?!
immediately after hearing the teacher wasn’t bothered, i turned to my mom (a juvenile therapist) and asked if 19 and 14 was weird even if you went to the same school, and she quickly said yes. so for the record, some adults are normal
I'm a teacher (in the UK) and that's a straight-up safeguarding issue. Idk the rules in Canada, but being alerted of this means mandatory reporting to the safeguarding officer. It could be that this had already happened, somehow been ruled ok, and the teacher had to say what the school told them to say. But the fact the teacher basically said "none of your business" makes it seem like they're just personally bad at the job 🙄
@@ScouseJazminthat teacher in general was just not a good person tbh. We once had a (very real and legitimate) school sh00ting threat and she made fun of us for being scared abt it
I’m agape that the teacher said you were JEALOUS. Like. We (I’m a teacher) are mandated reporters. Like what the actual f
Teacher here, I teach 9th grade and 11th and believe me I routinely tell the 11th graders to leave the 9th graders ALONE, and the 9th graders that those seniors don’t actually like you, they like that you didn’t know them when they were in middle school.
That 19 year old had NO business dating a 14 year old
how did this man assault two men and groom a teen and somehow not end up in a prison cell 😭😭
You think they'd even bother putting him a cell? Put him in the back of the cruiser, take him to a field, and teach him about Of Mice and Men.
had a heat attack thinking i commented this
@@pop1923 you had a WHAT attack
@noone-hb6ju I MEANT HEART HEART ATTACK I SWEAR
I'd say this is the most realistic part of the book, sadly
I had a friend who was 15, and she was with a 32-year-old. No one saw the issue. I did.
WHAT 😰😰😰
@just.someperson yah... she got married and had a kid with someone still with a big age gap when she was underaged. She came from an abusive family, and I think she really just wanted to escape that life no matter what.
EXCUSE ME?
@epicswaggorl She had a learning disability, so she only thought that she could be a mom. Since I have 2 learning disabilities, I thought I could motivate her to pursue other goals, but it didn't end up that way.
@@emilyau8023i doubt that wouldve been a much better life. hope shes doing well now
i am soooo tired of stories where a man feels owed a woman's virginity and it's framed as romantic instead of abusive.
i know it's the least of this books problems, but that specific trope of an ALPHA MALE being upset or wanting to be the one to "deflower her" or whatever it's called is so rampant it's even in otherwise average books.
Right?? The concept of virginity as a virtue is just outdated and disgusting. (straight) mens virginity is never treated like this
I had to pause when you said "she gets very sick"....I'M GOING TO BE SICK....
I HATE RANDOM PREGNANCY IN “ROMANCE” BOOKS 😭😭
@@dumbomni2859tbh if it’s a sweet relationship and it’s the main plot or something like one night stand (sometimes w famous people) turned co parenting turned marriage the i quite enjoy it occasionally. But SURPRISE PREGNANCY IN THE MIDDLE OF A NON RELATED STORY?! Nah. Ex
The biggest issue I have with these kind of ''''romance'''' books is that these '''authors''' don't even have a clue what they are writing about. And I am not talking about baseball. I don't think the author framed a grooming situation as a romance with malicious intent, or wrote a r*pe scene and pretends its just sexy time because they love r*pe. They just don't have a clue about consent or grooming or abuse. Most fan fictions have a better grasp on these concepts but somehow this still got a publisher.
I hope no victim of abuse, who thinks the way they are being treated is normal, picks up one of these books.
I'm not as kind to those authors personally. I just don't believe you can write something like this, frame it that way, and be just a naïve idiot.
It takes a lot of thinking and planning to write a decent book, it's not something you can do without having a clue.
@@MrDoenyon Perhaps you are right and just read too much awful fan fiction in my life. Anyway, I am sure at least the publisher knew what's going on. There is no excuse why this got published.
@@Louves192 Or maybe you are right and I'm just too much of a cynic. :D Who knows !
But yeah, if the author didn't know, and this was professionally published, the editors who worked on it, and the test readers must have.
@@MrDoenyon sadly people can be a lot dumber than we'd like to think :(
@@indieindieindie There's usually not at least 4 dumb people in a row though. :D
Ngl when you brought up the murders I thought it would turn out that Chase had become a serial killer. He's certainly set up to go in that direction.
Would have been a good twist ngl. Turn a shit smut novel into a murder-mystery thriller
Same lol
@@tonyyao4785 so true, but I don't think this author would have been able to actually handle a plot line like that. It would be too interesting and grounded.
When she brought up the murders It was going to be Toby. Gotta find a way to rid of the main charecter's husband so the lead can hook up toghter after all.
Yea I thought it was like he was sent away from her so he was killing girls who looked like her to like “send a message” but then I realized this is a romance book and despite all the m love interest does he will never be shown in a bad light
how has the forbidden romance trope gone from “two people from rival families have a secret, consensual relationship despite adversity” into “CRIME!! TEACHER X HS STUDENT! HE IS 37 AND SHE IS 16 BUT IT’S *FINE* BECAUSE SHE LISTENS TO *PINK FLOYD* !!!” It has oversaturated the trope, and I don’t see it changing, sadly. I have seen people genuinely upset that the MCs were close in age. Absolutely rotten.
PEOPLE UPSET BY THAT? WHERE???? Goddamn, these people need to log off and live in real life sometimes...
What makes it extra disgusting is that they literally could have aged her up like 2 years and if all would have been fine. She’s already the coaches daughter so ITS ALREADY FORBIDDEN! The age gap was just some revolting add on
I LOVE Kendrick for giving us a musical cue to just know whenever someone is a pdf file. Bless you, sir. Media will never be the same.
This could have been a horror book. This could have been used to educate people but no it had to be a "forbidden romance". Horrofied to see 5 star reviews for this book online
9:07 "I have a teenage daughter. That's the only reason I need."
This line is one of the most horrifying things I've ever read, because it's so real. Her father clearly knows that Chase is a dangerous, predatory person, but his only problem with hiring him, giving him money and a platform to enable to hurt more girls is the threat to his own family.
He'll protect his own but let others become potential victims.
That intro about 19yo man dating a 14 year old girl hit close because i happened to be in class with this type of guy. He didn't pass first grade like 3 or 4 times and for some reason nobody kicked him out so when i got to highschool he was already legal adult in same class with literal children and guess what he did... of course he started grooming both girls and boys. I had bad vibes about him instantly but for some reason everyone admired him for being older (even tho he was a total loser who couldn't pass a grade) so i immediately became his target of bulling so this adult man was not only grooming 14 year olds but he was also mentally and physically abusing ones he couldn't since i wasn't the only one. Of course in same fashion i was always told im overreacting and jealous of his "girlfriends" every time i went to the teacher with concerns not even about me but others.
It's been almost 10 years and i still think about this mainly because that was the most cruel bullying i have ever experienced but also because i lost many of my friends to his grooming. I'm still baffled he was not only allowed in school with minors but that every time i talked about it with adults i was antagonized. Your story made me feel a bit less lonely about that.
And some people have the gall to complain about “haters” and “negative” reviews in reader spaces when garbage like this book gets churned out. The content is so fundamentally disturbing, and I fail to see how GROOMING of all things is appealing to read for romance.
The idea of engaging in young girls romantically or sexually is sickening. I’m convinced this is just subterfuge to get young girls to think getting hitched and knocked up as soon as possible is acceptable.
when you said "she starts feeling really sick and vomiting" my stomach DROPPED i was like please god do not let that be what i think. :(
As someone who has been through a manipulative and abusive relationship (albeit a platonic one and not a romantic one) seeing this book with such an abusive relationship being marked as romance and light hearted on websites like goodreads and storygraph is just so shocking. It seems that this book was written with the author thinking this is a good and healthy relationship which just astounds me because HE ASSAULTED HER AND THERE IS NO WAY TO TWIST THAT INTO SOMETHING ROMANTIC. I thought this book was a dark romance or a psychological thriller when you were describing it, not an actual romance!
Even the 'dark romance' is just STRAIGHT up rape and abuse.
Haunting Adeline is disgusting and people say they want a man like the main character. A stalker and rapist 🤮
Ngl, I forgot it was a "forbidden romance" book, and thought Chase was murdering those girls over his frustration about what happened with Ty. Like, he was willing to beat up a security officer out of frustration, and from what you've said, he already seemed a bit unhinged.
*God, that would've been a better plot in a good mystery writer's hands.*
Nah, cause as a child of age gap parents myself, that 19 y/o was predatory for pursuing a 14 y/o. My parents had 20 years between them, but they didn't meet until my mom was almost 30 and had been in multiple long-term relationships with men her own age. Even they had issues in their marriage directly related to their age gap. Nothing about a dude in his mid-twenties pursuing a 17 y/o is even close to okay.
To cough on someone is more menacing than I never noticed
"She did ruin your life, you're going to jail!!" is the best quote in this video, fr though, love this video, especially, your conclusion.
I makes me so sad to think of how hard it is for people in such abusive/grooming relationships to stop blaming themselves.
I wanna know why this travesty of a book has 4 stars on Goodreads.
Thank you for making this video. I was once a 17 year old being groomed by a 22 year old man who I lost my virginity to. Thankfully I left the first time he choked me or who knows what may have happened. I think if I'd stumbled across a video like this back then I might have made some different decisions and decided that I was worth more that what I felt I had to do or be treated like. I'm sure someone who needs to hear your message will see this video and be better for it.
This is not too dunk on you, but rather to recontextualise something very common for people:
You choke when something is stuck in your airways, like food or some small object.
When someone is restricting your breathing by adding external pressure to your neck whether with their hands or an implement, they are strangling you. You don't have to die for it to be strangling.
I honestly think it's a conscious effort by people who want to sanitise their actions by removing it from the actual, correct descriptor, because "strangling" sounds too violent to be marketed successfully.
Can strangling be okay if 100 % consensual and with loads of safety precautions and pre-planning? Yes. But brain damage is a thing, and there's not much margin of error to play around with there.
This is Milwaukee slander- don't care about their baseball but they have the best loaded tater tots i've ever eaten and some very cool museums!
That sounds delicious. And I love museums! 😂
This sounds like an absolute win.
19 to 14 is really really creepy yeah.
No fr and the fact the teachers couldn’t like- say anything 😭😭😭 and everyone was fine with it
I feel like I’m going crazy. 19 and 40 is creepy, clowns are creepy, 19 and 14 is an ADULT AND A CHILD.
@@humanperson2480 Yeah that shit is illegal
45:00 - Sooooo gay perverted serial killer trope mixed with making the genuine and good love interest suddenly turning evil in the final act to justify the FL leaving him for the significantly worse ML - AT THE SAME TIME?
Wow, hit all the marks of these trashy books, and incredibly efficiently!
you can rewrite that murder pilot so easily to make more sense than the reporter being obsessed for no reason. And make the divorce make sense. Toby’s gay and Ty knows about the lovers (men of course). The reporter is an estranged ex lover obsessed and stalking Toby. NOT that I want Ty to be with chase. But Toby being outed would make a divorce make more sense considering she does love Toby. And I would hope a 4 year marriage means more than like a week of grooming. And this helps it be less of an after thought.
However chase being the murder would have been more interesting. Chase killing yankee fans that looked like Ty because he was so obsessed with having her that no one could. Turn it into a classic stalking situation to start commentary on the topic rather than romanticizing grooming.
This is so much more interesting than what the author cooked up.
I went into mom-mode immdately when you said that girl was 17. 17!? That's a baby, a little small bean. I'll finish it, but I gotta take a break.
THANK YOU for saying this. I’m just under 19, but I’d already avoid a 17 year old romantically: the maturity gap is just too big!
It feels like I’m going crazy sometimes with how normalized it is for grown ass men to drool over TEENAGERS with minimal life experiences and brains that aren’t anywhere near done cooking
this is so creepy, im so uncomfy esp when booktok romanticises abuse/r*pe/grooming like this...
16:00 "i can excuse pedophilia but i draw the line at incest" "YOU CAK EXCUSE PEDOPHILIA?"
Today is October 31st, 2024. The Yankees have lost the World Series to the LA Dodgers. Absolutely horrible news for the blonde women of the Moonshot universe NYC.
R.I.P blond women of New York. You might be remembered.
im gonna be honest, i was able to get to minute 19 but i dont think i can go on this book is going to traumatize me by proxy 😭 im gonna watch your other stuff so u dont miss out on views but i am genuinely horrified i cant listen to any more of this man 😭 i commend you for actually going through this
I appreciate it. Take care of yourself 🧡🫶🏻
@@nichiejc dont worry i didnt mean it in a bad way 😅 just that i cannot compreehend how the coked up predator is the love interst like… even i can understand the appeal of dark/forbidden romance but lets face it this man is a bum lol 😭
So he’s not okay with figurative incest but doesn’t draw the line at pdf/ ephebophilia???????
Brother ewwwww what’s that brother
It crazy to me how this and After could have been saved from earth’s gutter if it were written with at least 2 working brain cells
TBH I think that there doesn't need to be a distinction for ephebophilia vs pdfs. It's just one step to sanitize it, and it shouldn't matter - there's a line in the sand there.
That isn't to contradict anything you said though, as ofc, you are right lmao
@@Ryzard
Exactly
@@RyzardIt's simply pdfs for me. The other words are just for pdfs with a dictionary.
the minimum age to even be a ball girl is 18, so she cant even legally be a ball girl. and if the author was aiming for forbidden love, she's the coaches kid so making her a minor was deeply unnecessary
The first time I was groomed, I was in 9th grade. I asked people if it was okay, cause something just, felt wrong with that relationship. I had the same reaction from teachers, my friends, even my mom, "what, nooo you're still close enough in age." 13/14 and 19 is nasty and I will die on this hill with you.
bro wtf. even if she wasnt a literal CHILD it would be so hypocritical and abusive of him to be mad at her because she denied consent to his acts and had sex with someone else while HE was having sex with TWO people the very same night 😭 every second this sh1tshow just keeps getting worse
i don’t understand why some authors, especially women, are obsessed with this weird underage trope. the book would be fine if they were just the same age
Even weird when is GROWN women writing these tropes
I think it's autopedophilia... It's when you're turned on about the thought being a little girl who gets yk by a grown man 🤢
off topic but when you said “8:30 on a Tuesday” I looked at the time and it is in fact exactly 8:30 on a Tuesday 😭🙏
Jokes on me because it’s 9:30 on a Tuesday 😂
One of the worse things about this book is also the fact the dad and a couple other people bring up the fact SHES a minor. Acknowledging this fact and that man was still like “ya, let me get some of that”
coughing on gross couples is so iconic
i was shocked by seeing the view amount bro i thought you were a big popular commentary chanel your quality is so fucking good
"I should have known" turned to "Don't you think I was too young? YOU should have known" 😭
48:20 don't blame yourself for these situations😢, the one at fault is the boy/man AND the unbothered teacher
THEY should've known they're doing something bad, not you☹️
i read child loss as child toss and i was considerably confused for a second
chase was in the major league but he wanted to be in the “minor” league 😞😞
I am became increasingly angry as this video went on. I can't believe this is allowed for commercial sale, it's borderline CP and it's certainly grooming-apologia. But the part that got to me most was Ty blaming herself for the consequences of the scum's actions, that was a bit too close to home.
oh okay. he just sa'd her. it somehow got worse. throw this book in the fire and get the author in jail please i cant take this anymore this is so disgusting
4:15 when I was in middle school one of my friends was dating people my older brothers age. I was always the youngest person in my grade (late summer birthday) so I was 13, she was closer to 15 but the guy was either about to graduate HS or had the year before. I thought it was a little weird at the time, now obviously I know that it was super creepy. I phrase that I heard recently (I don’t remember who said it) was “if the grades don’t touch neither should you”
I had a friend in high school that was 15 who was dating a 23 year old. The kicker? Her parents knew! AND they approved of the relationship! In the end she ended up dumping him for being too immature.
What is it with Canadian high schools? Mine was equally whack as hell with 19 year olds dating 14 year olds and teachers being pedos
thank you for including the screaming part of drunk walk home because that's exactly how i was feeling
Your story reminded me that I had a “boyfriend” (he was 19) when i was 14. I’m only now realising how narrowly I escaped something bad from happening. He asked me to go to Mexico with him, but I said I had school so I couldn’t go and he went without me.
So glad I was such a goody two shoes.
I know this has nothing to do with the book, but what the HELL does a 19 year old have in common with a 14 year old?? That is VILE
i want you to know that i was making myself food while listening to this video and the moment you said "students used to piss in soap dispensers" i was shaking in some paprika. suffice it to say, my food will be very spicy.
You want the Ty Cobb thing to get worse - his mom was 13 and his dad was her teacher when they met.
@@myjunkdrawer8014 oh!
@@nichiejc If it makes you feel better she later shot him and got acquitted
@@myjunkdrawer8014that’s insane?? Omg😭😭
The longer plot went the more it went wild like how did that hunk not end up in jail after all the things he did😭😭
BRO THE KENDRICK IS INSANE
This is so much worse when you consider that wander franco the rays shortstop just got officially charged with sexual exploitation of a minor.
He also acts like Trevor Bauer I need this man gone
@@Hyacinthfic I was thinking abt that actually. He was charged a couple days after I posted this video. Crazy timing
cody ko as a baseball player
I think if you genuinely rewrote this under the lense of thriller or psychological drama it would be a scarily real life depiction of grooming and the horrors of it. Kinda like when you take out the romantic music out of a romcom and it quickly becomes a stalker thriller.
The coercion, the lovebombing, the adults around them who are either unaware or dont care, the fact that this girl is a plaything for this adult man because she knows no better.
Its actually terrifying man.
It's so dumb that in TYOOL2024 we still have to clarify that age gaps are fine between adults 😮💨 give it a month + I bet there will STILL be people talking about their gma who had a long marriage with a man twice her age at 16. Yeah, mine too bruh, it's still sickening. 2024! Y'all need to 👏🏼 catch 👏🏼 up 👏🏼 with 👏🏼 morality.
having such a visceral reaction to a 17-23 relationship makes me realize that some youtubers out there need to be jailed
HUH? That's a literal child
idk why but the skz posters make the story at the beginning so much funnier it’s just the chaotic energy seungmin and changbin would want for the world
@@stanwee funny, bc my bias is Changbin
i got randomly recommended this but honestly i don't mind. almost feels like this is straight from early youtube
either way good job sitting through this thing, i wouldn't have lasted past a couple chapters. i don't get the obsession with odd age gaps in romance
Wow this is the first video i stumbled upon from this channel. The way you make the video entertaining but also find a way to talk about serious topics like grooming is amazing. I'll definitely be watching more of you content
as someone who lives adjacent to Tampa. there is nothing in Tampa worth sneaking out for.
25:46 "blowing through the minors" is insane
Good to know all those writers groups, beta readers and everything else like critique groups and so on were a complete waste of time for me and many other authors when stuff like this probably didn’t even get read through by the author.
HSM has the far more compelling baseball romance, no question
Well... The scene where Ty says she had sex with Toni or whatever and Chase loses it made me want to puke. Just... Wow...🤦
Uhggggg the ending was even worse...
Wisconsin has a lot of towns, districts and places that are named based off of the Native folks who were here before white folks (Most often, based off of a version transcribed by said Europeans to the point it's far removed from the original and barely recognizable). It's weird hearing someone go on about Milwaukee not being a real place, as I felt like it was one of the few cities folks outside of Wisconsin may be aware of. The history of place names though, such as Milwaukee, is pretty interesting to look into.
@@ThatFlamingFroggo I genuinely meant no offence, I simply just do not know anything about Wisconsin 😭
@@nichiejc You're fine, it was more a sense of it feeling curious to me than being offensive. It's just weird to me hearing someone in the U.S. not know where it is, even though I can acknowledge that of all the states out there....Wisconsin isn't super prolific, especially to a younger individual who doesn't live here.
I legit forgor this was a book review because I was so invested in your highschool disease conquerfest lmfaoooo😭😭😭😭😭 I love your vibes
it’s so crazy that when u started explaining ur school stories I immediately felt how Ontario coded it was and then you said you’re Canadian 😭
I didn't expect this to get so deep. I needed to hear all of it. Thank you ❤
You were absolutely right to be concerned in highschool. I'm sorry no one took you seriously
books like these should stay in the writer's drafts lol. sure it's fiction but it should be obvious how weird it is to frame a coercive and abusive relationship as something 'cute', forbidden and to be desired. there even seems to be some degree of self-awareness in the book, considering how often ty's age is mentioned and how often characters such as chase's manager ( and to an extent ty's dad ) disagree with the relationship. and despite that, it's still treated as though it's cute. it's so weird. books like these - romanticising and misinterpreting tropes such as forbidden lovers - has become so much more common. i'm not saying it's a reflection of the author's values, as i doubt many of these authors would want this in real life and would prefer it to stay fictional. however i think many works such as these are meant to portray the author's sexual desire and fantasies, such as being with a dominating man. it's just weird that they projected that onto a **17 year old girl**, who is CONSTANTLY referred to as innocent. it's creepy, even if it is unintentional. turning 18 half way through the book isn't an excuse, she is still mentally a child oh my good god
Not being familiar with the story, I would like to hear more about the connection between William Howard Taft and the "7th inning stretch"...
Also, I really appreciate the last four minutes.
@@bradencampbell2422 Wikipedia says it was bc he was at a game and stood up, and then everyone else felt they had to as well bc he was the president
I appreciate that the end of this video focused on the bigger issues in play here, though I very much enjoyed your commentary on the monstrosity that is this book as a...singular phenomenon...too.
If you need a palate cleanser (a baseball romance with a happy, healthy relationship and a not overly contrived plot) I would recommend The Prospects.
every day we stray further from god’s light
at this point i can write a book..
Another underrated watch, for whatever reason, I like your voice and energy, subbed
'The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame' - Oscar Wilde.
Yeah pedophillia is a bad thing that does unfortunately take place
yet another Nichie banger 🔥
The grind never stops 🙏🏻
37:10 i am so glad to hear someone use trauma bonding correctly
guys this MIGHT be a loona reference
(artms, a loona re debut group, is having a world tour called moonshot)
Fuck does this book hit home, i would encourage young girls to read this only to see the signs of abuse, manipulation, and grooming.
Can’t believe they wrote a book about wander franco
This could have been an anti grooming PSA
Thank you for a well-presented review of an apparently deeply problematic book.
As a diehard Brewers fan who was born and raised in Green Bay WI I was very offended by the Milwaukee slander. This book is wild though who writes this😭😭😭
i relate so much to ur story in the beginning. u have every right to be a hater, when i was a freshman in hs a couple had stopped in the middle of the stairs to make out with each other and i almost ate shit and fell down the fucking stairs. i did end up snagging a hole in my favorite pair of shoes though, so that's where my hatred for hallway couples TRULY began
I clicked on your video at random and I immediately trusted ever word you said based on your choice of feel special and kepi posters, keep spreading the truth ma'am ☝
16:14 the way I shriek cackled with that needle drop 10/10
38:18 I actually got sick at this part oh my goddd I hate booktok I hate it I hate it
As someone from the area of Milwaukee, it is unfortunatley. Its so wild.
Shout-out to the agent. Seriously, he told it like it was.
40 minutes into this video I suddenly recognized the 4 pixels of Changbin’s undercut in the background and finally noticed the skz posters 💀
this is my new favorite channel
As a seventeen year old currently, the author should be on an fbi watchlist, Just to sit and write this rubbish ought to be a damn CRIMEEEE
Off topic but 38:32 is that Mitski drunk walk home I hear?? 😮
Yes
Yes
Either this woman just chose the Torre name for its associations, and I feel bad for Joe Torre, or she was being passed around by the team while her dad managed... and I also feel bad for Joe Torre.
I'm sorry to break the illusion, but it doesn't sound like this author is particularly informed about how amateurs enter professional baseball.
Or, for that matter, that she'd be a lot less likely to be a ballgirl, and probably would be a "clubbie"; high school girls who help with things like team daycare.
Hold on... his "this is how he tore up Stanford" story means he would have had to be applying to enter Stanford at 15, since for a college baseball player to be drafted, they have to be 3 years in college, even if one is a redshirt year.
Then it would be very hard for his rookie contract to be expired in a way that he can say "fuck Milwaukee, Yankees or bust!" unless he was the kind of player the Yankees would never sign.
In the author’s note she she talked abt how her only exposure to baseball was going to a game ONCE and her husband being a batboy for the Twins when he was younger. So yea, I don’t doubt it