It's because we didn't gate keep hard enough that we now have the current state of anime be what it is today; everything gotta be safe, censored and sanitised so that the normies aren't upset.
I never thought I'd be using terms like "media illiteracy" so often and unironically, not until I encountered your average anime tourist. What's weirder is that I'm an American, a straight white guy, I've barely scratched the surface when it comes to watching classic and popular series (I've watched two dozen total, and that's a drop in the ocean), AND I'm a fucking DUB watcher! Even taking all that into account, even I hate these shallow, braindead people who give weebs a bad name.
I hate that nowadays people immediately assume that if it is in fiction it's making people want to do the same in real life. I like lolis, i like them because they are 2D, because 2D is different and i know that they are different and real people don't act like that, that doesn't mean i want to do something to irl people, just like a person who watches/reads a very violent anime wouldn't want to go over on the street and harm real people, but sadly nowadays people seems to be reverting back to the 90's where everything that wasn't the establishment was automatically evil
Same can be said for majority of the "taboo" fetishes. A lot of people have an incest fetish when it comes to anime/manga, but that doesn't mean they look at their siblings the same way in real life. But this is something the normies will never understand.
I don’t interact with most people about loli anymore online, people are so unhinged about them. I don’t understand it, I’ve never once looked at a loli and thought it looked like a real person, it’s a cute anime character. But there’s people online that actually think they’re like a real person, the amount of people I’ve seen actually say “that’s a literal child”. I don’t know if they just don’t know what “literal” means, or they’re actually viewing them as real.
@@rickchakraborty2087Haha that includes me, nearly all the doujin I look at now are incest. I think this all boils down to people being incapable of separating fiction from reality, they think if you look at something in fiction it means you want it in reality, it’s a mindset I don’t understand.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- could be both, and/or the fact it's easy clout, why be creative when you can be lazy and get the attention they so desperately wants? it was the same with the videogame = violence back in the day
As someone who has been desensitized by reading plenty of very controversial literature, anime and manga doesn’t really do a lot of things that offend me at this point lol. So in my perspective no, anime isn’t really going “too far”.
I read a very popular, fairly recent and surprisingly good novel about a year ago and holy hell, anime wishes it could do stuff that horrific and controversial. And while it was certainly not an enjoyable read, it was... enriching? Enlightening? Not sure how to describe the experience. It did not glorify or fetishize the horrors and it certainly didn't corrupt me into wanting to do any of the things portrayed in it but it did help me understand why some people would do these things and that it's not just because they are evil. But nuance like that is lost in the modern knee jerk reaction internet age. Which is why I will not say what the book was. I am NOT opening that can of worms.
It's good to know there is another anime adaptation coming out for "Made in Abyss" but I think we might need to wait a little bite over a year for it though.
1:55 No, there’s no point, there is nothing that you can say that will convince a person that wants to censor anime to see why it should exist. I’ve interacted with these people, it’s like talking to a malfunctioning robot, there is nothing you can possibly say, absolutely nothing to convince them.
just like telling them that the magical number 18 for consent is just a magic spell and that there's no convincing them otherwise. yeah i totally know a lot of those people.
@@komocakeps527 And then you remember that isn't consistent even within the US, let along the rest of the world. Hell, I think most of the world has 16. Not that I'm arguing against AoC, because I do think some line needs to be drawn, but at the end of the day, it's incredibly arbitrary.
Otaku culture already controversial since long time ago, in fact modern anime even something like mushoku tensei is too tame compare 2000 years anime or even before that
Man if anime studios did some remakes of the 1980's & 1990's animes there would be so many people having strokes. To me the wildest time in anime was the 1980's & 1990's in my eyes.
When I really got back into anime three years ago, I didn't expect to see so many prudes trying to worm their way into the medium to censor and sanitize it. It still baffles me to this day, because one big reason I got into it again was that it ISN'T censored or sanitized compared to a lot of western media. If I look at my three favorite anime series, Sword Art Online, Attack on Titan, and Mushoku Tensei, each one has (to varying degrees) very dark subject matter that it explores. SAO gets into depression, suicide, discussions of what constitutes life itself, and the infamous sexual assault scenes. AoT gets deep into the horrors of war, class struggle, segregation, racism, and even genocide. Don't even get me started on the things MT covers. When was the last time you saw another anime focus a story arc on post-traumatic erectile dysfunction? It's to the point where I straight up discard certain opinions on these stories. If I see people talk about how Sword Art Online is such a great and fantastic series EXCEPT they can't stand the sexual assault scenes, and they should be removed and never seen again, I don't care what they have to say anymore. If I ever see someone say Attack on Titan is too dark or too close to some historical event or another, and it glorifies war, some shit like that, I could not care less about their take on the story. And, as happens more often than not, if someone starts talking about Mushoku Tensei by saying it's about a pedophile in a little boy's body, fucking girls half his age, I will absolutely just ignore that shallow bullshit and move on. Unfortunately, understanding the complexity of good stories comes with the horrific realization that there are countless people who never will, barely even try, or simply lack the capability to do so.
While I have the same opinion on Attack on Titan and Mushoku Tensei, down to the same reactions against people who have horrible takes like you described;) I would say concerning Sword Art Online that I am a bit torn on the series, because while we see the dark things you talk about the thing (at least to me) is that more often than not those dark moments are at the beginning (s1 first half and to some parts in Alizication and War of underworld (for Underworld? can't remember and to lazy to look it up) What I find difficult, because they imo botched the first season a bit, is how utterly OP Kirito is. I mean Eren in AoT is also OP but we see him struggle with his ability and everything to the point he gives up, S2 I think it was (with Historias Father). In the end he becomes the villain of the story which is balancing his OPness out imho. While Mushoku is litteraly the life story of Rudeus and while the man gets OP just through his advantage of "being a man in a boys body" the story is not about his Power or to phrase it better he isn't always able to use said power to get the outcome he desires. With Kirito well..... especially aggravating was the last season in this regard because his friends fight their asses off and damn near win while he sits like the whole f**** season in a wheelchair, but no the Big Bad overpowers them and he wakes up and now it's super easy for him...... like come on why..... Sorry for the rant.... Otherwise especially with your closing statement I 100% agree.
My views on this are pretty cut and clean. Nothing should be censored, I don't care who consumes the media or how they could be influenced. If no real people are harmed in the creation of the media, then anyone should be allowed to consume that media for any reason they choose, whether as thought exercises, education, or just pure entertainment. Nobody has the right to nanny the collective human race on what they are allowed to watch, listen to, or read. No individual, corporation, or government body is entitled to gatekeep the sights and sounds that enter peoples' minds. If somebody goes psycho, they were already on that path. Bad actors will consume the same media perfectly normal harmless people do. Bad people can not be 100% prevented, they can only be prepared for and reacted to. It is pointless (and in my opinion immoral) to detriment the good people in an attempt to predict and preemptively counter bad people. And honestly the more ingrained into anime the stuff these censoring types find unpalettable, the better. Less likely they will try to latch onto something they find wholey repugnant and try to slowly change it. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Here is my belief, having Ecchi in Anime sure you can't show it to younger family members and some of your friends. But if your friends can't accept you and your hobbies, then you shouldn't feel like you need to share it. Share it with like minded friends who enjoy that stuff along with you. Younger family members on the other hand, there is Sailor Moon and Pokemon and Digimon and Samurai Pizza Cats. There is also Assassination Classroom and other shonen comedies that you can test them on.
I like controversial anime because I don't really like mordern tv or games. I respect Japan culture and I use anime as escapism and I like anime to challenge me. I like Japan more because the Manga and Anime is willing to challenge us and not hold our hand and censor everything. Also in my opinion all forms of Japan media teaches me more great life lessons then the west it is sad but very truee... I prefer light novels manga and anime it is good for all of us like it or not...
1:05:29 People feeling fulfilled by dark stories is something that I don't personally relate to either, but understand to an extent. It's mostly a form of validation really; these stories acknowledge dark realities (though there are MANY cases where it is very juvenile in its execution) without holding anything back and without the notion or idea that it'll simply be alright in the end even if a lot is lost. It can be cathartic to finally see something that reflects your life or at least, how you feel about your life and the world you live in, where even having a general happy ending isn't guaranteed, yet you suffer all the same. Especially if this dark story has spots of hope or even just light, it can inspire people even if like 90% of the story is depressing. It's one of the big reasons why I feel Berserk is as popular and acclaimed as it is, as it is one of the most ideal stories for people who want to feel this kind of catharsis (other stories like ASOIAF also have this sort of idea; lots of darkness with bright spots of hope that are small, but significant, and that small significance is what is most inspiring)
Zenith's situation is similar when it comes to people who I am aware of when they have been in car accidents and their brains never recover from that situation as well as seeing family members are in denial. This hits hard but it is always nice to see Anime not shy away from that sort of trauma. Hopefully with Roxy's daughter she can shed light on the things that Zenith is unable to say.
The drama around “Drama Queen” was hilarious, I read some of the funniest things I’d ever seen on reddit, I just thought how on earth are these people in the manga community. I’m really hoping that there will be a big manga crash and it falls out of popularity, because as soon as it’s not popular anymore these people will leave. As they only follow trends & attach to things that are popular.
We need anime that pushes boundaries bigtime. What has happened to anime like Urotsukidōji, Kodomo no Jikan, Boku no Pico, Bible Black, Cream Lemon, Koi Kaze, Aki Sora, Shōjo Tsubaki, Excel Saga, Puni Puny Poemy, Mezzo Forte, Lily Cat, etc.. No anime should be banned. Controversy is healthy! We need to get contronted with all sorts of things in fiction, regardless of how unconfortable they may be. Aforementioned examples need to be (re)released on home video in Western nations in their complete, fully uncut, unedited, graphic and uncensored glory, regardless of whether I find them uncomfortable or not. Censors falsely assume that fiction normalises bad behaviour. We know that fiction never harms anyone. Unrestricted artistic & creative expressions need to be supported without compromise, regardless if certain people find certain types of fiction / art obscene. Those who promote censorship via extortion and laws under the guise of preventing harm, are the ones who are exclusively harming & infantilising people the most. Such a vile misanthropic mindset can easily be described as extreme bigotry of low expectations. There is absolutely nothing immoral about depicting or describing taboo/sensitive topics (e.g. incest, rape, sexiness, etc.) in entertainment. Fiction never negatively affects reality. To claim otherwise is like claiming that e.g. cutlery and chopsticks cause obesity. Stricter standards in any form of entertainment are usually/always synonymous with regression, infantilisation and creative bankruptcy. Eastern entertainment usually contains consequences, real storytelling. No watered down nonsense that was advertised to kids all through the 70ies and 80ies. I watched the religious Right and the satanic panic try and ban, burn and censor everything. I watched the left and their PMRC try to censor, burn and ban music. Both sides are terrible. Same agenda, different reasoning. Everything has to fit into the narrow mindset of ideologues. They leave no room for nuance and critical thinking is discouraged. Do as I say or be outcast is their mantra. Both sides do that. Anime in the 1980ies and 1990ies were spunkier, flashier, unrestricted. Writers and animators had way more creative freedom and their committees much smaller. Today, too many cooks spoil the broth. We want to see Japanese entertainment from the Japanese lens. Not this sanitised Western lens. When it comes to the sanitisation of Japanese media, Western Anglophone nations outside of Asia are the most guilty of this. Screw Global Standards! Screw generic lowest common denominator slop! Screw Wooden Spoon Standards!
Amen to that!… This is the reason why that ‘normie-tourists, gatekeeping-filters’ are necessary! Because we did not realize that in time, we are now have the current state of anime be what it is today… where everything gotta be safe, censored, and sanitized so that these normie-tourists won't bet upset.
To me people who try to make anime controversial I fine that cute, with me it's like come on man it's just fiction and if you don't like that said series that doesn't aline with your taste there is a option called "don't watch" its that simple and move on but there is alot of people out there that think this option doesn't exist unfortunately, it's like when they see this option they go like how dare you try to make me a reasonable individual.
It's great you mention Higehiro. Society doesn't mention or talk about the negatives of NOT allowing good people to take someone in, whether they're male or female. If the state punishes good people that ARE NOT doing anything s*xually, then there's nothing to stop bad people feom taking advantage because they by default won't follow the law. When Crunchyroll still had its comments open it was interesting to see comments by individuals that were in her situation.
When it comes to the entire Ronin Kenshin stuff, I already dealt with that years ago after what happened to the High School DxD VA who originally voiced Issei. Yes he did something really horrible, but as long as he wasn't part of the group who attacked Anime fans years later, I can watch the Anime he did VA for without thinking too much. That all happened after he spent time in jail.
Rudeus from Mushoku Tensei is similar to the protagonist of Welcome to the NHK. The way those characters develop is different, but I am thankful that we are able to enjoy these stories. The reactions from other people is more of a reflection of society itself NOT wanting to acknowledge the demons of real life monsters in real life.
There's all kinds of anime to pretty much to suit anyone so there's no need to censor it. All you are doing by censoring is preventing someone from watching a anime that the censoring person wasn't going to watch anyways
i mean, From the new world was a freaking masterclass in thought provoking subjects. (and not too far off from planet of the apes, Shin sekai yori is the japanese name if you were unsure.)
There is a gal manga, where a Gyaru is failing school, and it starts with her getting help from her teacher, and there is romance involved. have yet to continue it. Its called Gal Gohan, huh it finished up at 69 chapters, Noice.
I am the type of person who loves Wholesome Ecchi. You have a wholesome story, with Ecchi eye-candy. Vivered Operation is one such series that I enjoyed the Wholesome story with Ecchi eye-candy.
Most people have darker desires etc, we're not all moral angels, very few people are in fact. People love delving into naughty stuff because it's exciting; they imagine a world where they can try and do things that are not so morally good, to experience it. This is what fiction allows, is investigation into these ideas, and let the darker side of us breathe, instead of remain bottled up until it explodes. It's a yin and yang thing.
i find most of today anime to be too wholesome sometimes. I mean i grew up on Dominion tank police, Kite, M.D. Geist. Robotech. I think i made my point
I think Mushoku Tensei is interesting in that it's not following the beats of a redemption story because it doesn't appear to be one. Rudeus grows up. Or out, anyway. It's a story of a hikikomori managing to grow past that and become more or less a more normal, but still problematic person. Do we accept that person? To what extent do we do so and why? This is super relevant because this is a worldwide phenomenon to some extent. What do we do with the people who want to grow and be more, but who can't make up for what they've been and what they've done? I think it's not going to be to the liking of everyone, but we're all going to have to deal at some point because it's not just a story on paper or on stream, but a real story about real people who exist in the world. Do we send them back to their solitude and dysfunctional life?
It could never be a redemption story. He gets to be a different person and escape the consequences the first time. The second world is more forgiving in his crimes and misdeeds because half of them aren't viewed as societally wrong even though they still effect people. Yes, there is some room for growth, but typically those kinds of people need to find new people and circles to really refresh so going back to the people he's wrong in his second life, in a world that largely doesn't condemn him for his actions, is the epitome of wish fulfillment rather than something that should be learned from.
I don't think anime goes to far in general. I love that it explores some deeper and darker themes or isn't afraid to be risque. If there was only one thing i could change. It would be to age up some characters that do fall in to that Ecchi category and for a majority of shows that only needs to happen on paper. Just to bring it in line with what most of the world deems acceptable which is usually in that 16-18 range. But For example 100 girls who really really love me.... Hilarious show but there is 0 reason for a character to be portrayed as minor who has a dipper. Sure they try to get around it by saying actually she's the eldest and uses science to appear younger but that fly's way too far into PDF territory. Making characters 16-18 in most cases requires no art change. Rather than 13-15 as they are typically written. Japan has changed its laws on ages for example its age of consent has been raised to 16 bringing it in line with most of the west. But that hasn't filtered in to anime and manga yet. Personally if an anime is going to be Ecchi or needs censored/uncensored versions then i think the characters should be 18+ but at a minimum 16-18 range at least would fall into what's legal for most countries.
Slavery isn't just common in anime, it was common in the world in general, and most people didn't have a moral problem with it. Civilizations were built on slave labor based economy. The problem is that Americans have an extremely narrow, America centered understanding of world history, thanks to that ongoing joke they refer to as "education."
if i watch or read something that im not comfortable with, i just stop and move on my life,i have already have high tolerance because i live childhood in the 90s when censorship is not too strict,i watch some 80s movies that look like a snuff film.for me its just fiction and don't mix it in my reality.
Dare I say you’re conflating western story telling with mainstream story telling. I argue east and west doesn’t matter. What matters is mainstream vs independent and unorthodox story telling. Main stream is fine. But I like out of the box story telling. You wonder why Joker Folie A Deux is so hated. You wonder why Star Wars acolyte is so hated. It’s not mainstream story telling. They are mainstream ip but unorthodox story telling not palpable for the main stream audience. Some people say that the second season of arcane isn’t as good as the first. Gee I wonder why. Oh I know. it’s because the first season of arcane has a digestible story to the mainstream. I think that’s what’s missing in this podcast. its the less than mainstream anime that your worried about. Japan have been trying so hard to conquer the world with their japanimation and Japanese comics that most the audience outside of japan conflate the more out there anime that is clearly not mainstream to western story telling while trying to defend it. And you know what. I think that’s the internets fault. What a monolith the internet can be at times.
if anyone reading this is offended by drama queen, I advise you to read any european highschool history book, or even american but the ones before the year 2000. You will be shocked what actually happened in the real world.
I personally have never like loli stuff i find it disgusting. That said, Idc that it exist, if it bothers me I can just go watch something else. I do hate the main stream audience nowadays crying about everything. We should've held the gates instead of being so open. Now anime is filled with tourists.
I'll dare say that YES, some stories have no right to exist and shouldn't exist. You talked that an author shouldn't tell you that the "wrong things" in the story are wrong (or right). I agree that the reader also have a responsibility to think for himself, but sometimes the reader doesn't and its very ignorant about the matters in the story. Some as very influenciable and are exploited by the author. Some authors don't want to tell a history, like for example a mangá where the characters talked about how the many crimes against humanity Japan committed that they "learned at school" (I don't think Japanese schools teach that) were all lies and that Japan was just a poor victim. A story like that should not exist and I would personally throw copies of it on the bonfire. Now, about Drama Queen, I imagine some people are on guard for the always present possibility of a switcheroo, but anyways I find it very interesting because I don't think Nomamoto is "reliable". I have this feeling that she wasn't actually hit by the aliens and her nose bleeds for some other reason... Even so, even if it is what it seems and the protagonists are "anti-heros" doing something "wrong", we can at least see why would they do that. That page on second chapter with Kitami "erasing" the cause of his suffering as beautiful.
Does anime goes to far? Not far enough is the only correct answer.
tourist filters are necessary
Yes
It's because we didn't gate keep hard enough that we now have the current state of anime be what it is today; everything gotta be safe, censored and sanitised so that the normies aren't upset.
@@rickchakraborty2087 Facts.
I never thought I'd be using terms like "media illiteracy" so often and unironically, not until I encountered your average anime tourist.
What's weirder is that I'm an American, a straight white guy, I've barely scratched the surface when it comes to watching classic and popular series (I've watched two dozen total, and that's a drop in the ocean), AND I'm a fucking DUB watcher! Even taking all that into account, even I hate these shallow, braindead people who give weebs a bad name.
With the right studio I would love 'My dearest self with malice aforethought' to get adapted but I know it would just get censored to kingdom come
I hate that nowadays people immediately assume that if it is in fiction it's making people want to do the same in real life.
I like lolis, i like them because they are 2D, because 2D is different and i know that they are different and real people don't act like that, that doesn't mean i want to do something to irl people, just like a person who watches/reads a very violent anime wouldn't want to go over on the street and harm real people, but sadly nowadays people seems to be reverting back to the 90's where everything that wasn't the establishment was automatically evil
Same can be said for majority of the "taboo" fetishes. A lot of people have an incest fetish when it comes to anime/manga, but that doesn't mean they look at their siblings the same way in real life. But this is something the normies will never understand.
I don’t interact with most people about loli anymore online, people are so unhinged about them. I don’t understand it, I’ve never once looked at a loli and thought it looked like a real person, it’s a cute anime character. But there’s people online that actually think they’re like a real person, the amount of people I’ve seen actually say “that’s a literal child”.
I don’t know if they just don’t know what “literal” means, or they’re actually viewing them as real.
@@rickchakraborty2087Haha that includes me, nearly all the doujin I look at now are incest. I think this all boils down to people being incapable of separating fiction from reality, they think if you look at something in fiction it means you want it in reality, it’s a mindset I don’t understand.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- could be both, and/or the fact it's easy clout, why be creative when you can be lazy and get the attention they so desperately wants? it was the same with the videogame = violence back in the day
@@rickchakraborty2087 Exactly
As someone who has been desensitized by reading plenty of very controversial literature, anime and manga doesn’t really do a lot of things that offend me at this point lol. So in my perspective no, anime isn’t really going “too far”.
I read a very popular, fairly recent and surprisingly good novel about a year ago and holy hell, anime wishes it could do stuff that horrific and controversial. And while it was certainly not an enjoyable read, it was... enriching? Enlightening? Not sure how to describe the experience. It did not glorify or fetishize the horrors and it certainly didn't corrupt me into wanting to do any of the things portrayed in it but it did help me understand why some people would do these things and that it's not just because they are evil. But nuance like that is lost in the modern knee jerk reaction internet age. Which is why I will not say what the book was. I am NOT opening that can of worms.
@@wingracer1614 A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara?
We need more Made in Abyss anime!
The manga is a masterpiece, I haven’t seen the anime, I doubt it can match the dark gloomy style of the manga. But I hear the anime is also good.
It's good to know there is another anime adaptation coming out for "Made in Abyss" but I think we might need to wait a little bite over a year for it though.
1:55 No, there’s no point, there is nothing that you can say that will convince a person that wants to censor anime to see why it should exist. I’ve interacted with these people, it’s like talking to a malfunctioning robot, there is nothing you can possibly say, absolutely nothing to convince them.
just like telling them that the magical number 18 for consent is just a magic spell and that there's no convincing them otherwise. yeah i totally know a lot of those people.
@@komocakeps527 And then you remember that isn't consistent even within the US, let along the rest of the world. Hell, I think most of the world has 16. Not that I'm arguing against AoC, because I do think some line needs to be drawn, but at the end of the day, it's incredibly arbitrary.
Otaku culture already controversial since long time ago, in fact modern anime even something like mushoku tensei is too tame compare 2000 years anime or even before that
Man if anime studios did some remakes of the 1980's & 1990's animes there would be so many people having strokes. To me the wildest time in anime was the 1980's & 1990's in my eyes.
When I really got back into anime three years ago, I didn't expect to see so many prudes trying to worm their way into the medium to censor and sanitize it. It still baffles me to this day, because one big reason I got into it again was that it ISN'T censored or sanitized compared to a lot of western media.
If I look at my three favorite anime series, Sword Art Online, Attack on Titan, and Mushoku Tensei, each one has (to varying degrees) very dark subject matter that it explores. SAO gets into depression, suicide, discussions of what constitutes life itself, and the infamous sexual assault scenes. AoT gets deep into the horrors of war, class struggle, segregation, racism, and even genocide. Don't even get me started on the things MT covers. When was the last time you saw another anime focus a story arc on post-traumatic erectile dysfunction?
It's to the point where I straight up discard certain opinions on these stories. If I see people talk about how Sword Art Online is such a great and fantastic series EXCEPT they can't stand the sexual assault scenes, and they should be removed and never seen again, I don't care what they have to say anymore. If I ever see someone say Attack on Titan is too dark or too close to some historical event or another, and it glorifies war, some shit like that, I could not care less about their take on the story. And, as happens more often than not, if someone starts talking about Mushoku Tensei by saying it's about a pedophile in a little boy's body, fucking girls half his age, I will absolutely just ignore that shallow bullshit and move on.
Unfortunately, understanding the complexity of good stories comes with the horrific realization that there are countless people who never will, barely even try, or simply lack the capability to do so.
While I have the same opinion on Attack on Titan and Mushoku Tensei, down to the same reactions against people who have horrible takes like you described;) I would say concerning Sword Art Online that I am a bit torn on the series, because while we see the dark things you talk about the thing (at least to me) is that more often than not those dark moments are at the beginning (s1 first half and to some parts in Alizication and War of underworld (for Underworld? can't remember and to lazy to look it up) What I find difficult, because they imo botched the first season a bit, is how utterly OP Kirito is.
I mean Eren in AoT is also OP but we see him struggle with his ability and everything to the point he gives up, S2 I think it was (with Historias Father). In the end he becomes the villain of the story which is balancing his OPness out imho. While Mushoku is litteraly the life story of Rudeus and while the man gets OP just through his advantage of "being a man in a boys body" the story is not about his Power or to phrase it better he isn't always able to use said power to get the outcome he desires.
With Kirito well..... especially aggravating was the last season in this regard because his friends fight their asses off and damn near win while he sits like the whole f**** season in a wheelchair, but no the Big Bad overpowers them and he wakes up and now it's super easy for him...... like come on why.....
Sorry for the rant....
Otherwise especially with your closing statement I 100% agree.
My views on this are pretty cut and clean.
Nothing should be censored, I don't care who consumes the media or how they could be influenced. If no real people are harmed in the creation of the media, then anyone should be allowed to consume that media for any reason they choose, whether as thought exercises, education, or just pure entertainment.
Nobody has the right to nanny the collective human race on what they are allowed to watch, listen to, or read.
No individual, corporation, or government body is entitled to gatekeep the sights and sounds that enter peoples' minds.
If somebody goes psycho, they were already on that path. Bad actors will consume the same media perfectly normal harmless people do.
Bad people can not be 100% prevented, they can only be prepared for and reacted to. It is pointless (and in my opinion immoral) to detriment the good people in an attempt to predict and preemptively counter bad people.
And honestly the more ingrained into anime the stuff these censoring types find unpalettable, the better. Less likely they will try to latch onto something they find wholey repugnant and try to slowly change it.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Here is my belief, having Ecchi in Anime sure you can't show it to younger family members and some of your friends.
But if your friends can't accept you and your hobbies, then you shouldn't feel like you need to share it.
Share it with like minded friends who enjoy that stuff along with you.
Younger family members on the other hand, there is Sailor Moon and Pokemon and Digimon and Samurai Pizza Cats.
There is also Assassination Classroom and other shonen comedies that you can test them on.
I like controversial anime because I don't really like mordern tv or games. I respect Japan culture and I use anime as escapism and I like anime to challenge me. I like Japan more because the Manga and Anime is willing to challenge us and not hold our hand and censor everything. Also in my opinion all forms of Japan media teaches me more great life lessons then the west it is sad but very truee... I prefer light novels manga and anime it is good for all of us like it or not...
Dark anime should be allowed to exist its creative freedom, if people cant handle it theres other genres
1:05:29 People feeling fulfilled by dark stories is something that I don't personally relate to either, but understand to an extent. It's mostly a form of validation really; these stories acknowledge dark realities (though there are MANY cases where it is very juvenile in its execution) without holding anything back and without the notion or idea that it'll simply be alright in the end even if a lot is lost. It can be cathartic to finally see something that reflects your life or at least, how you feel about your life and the world you live in, where even having a general happy ending isn't guaranteed, yet you suffer all the same. Especially if this dark story has spots of hope or even just light, it can inspire people even if like 90% of the story is depressing. It's one of the big reasons why I feel Berserk is as popular and acclaimed as it is, as it is one of the most ideal stories for people who want to feel this kind of catharsis (other stories like ASOIAF also have this sort of idea; lots of darkness with bright spots of hope that are small, but significant, and that small significance is what is most inspiring)
Zenith's situation is similar when it comes to people who I am aware of when they have been in car accidents and their brains never recover from that situation as well as seeing family members are in denial.
This hits hard but it is always nice to see Anime not shy away from that sort of trauma.
Hopefully with Roxy's daughter she can shed light on the things that Zenith is unable to say.
The drama around “Drama Queen” was hilarious, I read some of the funniest things I’d ever seen on reddit, I just thought how on earth are these people in the manga community. I’m really hoping that there will be a big manga crash and it falls out of popularity, because as soon as it’s not popular anymore these people will leave. As they only follow trends & attach to things that are popular.
Hi Otaku, when do you think bind’s gonna drop the Eris OVA for S2 PT2?
We need anime that pushes boundaries bigtime. What has happened to anime like Urotsukidōji, Kodomo no Jikan, Boku no Pico, Bible Black, Cream Lemon, Koi Kaze, Aki Sora, Shōjo Tsubaki, Excel Saga, Puni Puny Poemy, Mezzo Forte, Lily Cat, etc.. No anime should be banned. Controversy is healthy! We need to get contronted with all sorts of things in fiction, regardless of how unconfortable they may be. Aforementioned examples need to be (re)released on home video in Western nations in their complete, fully uncut, unedited, graphic and uncensored glory, regardless of whether I find them uncomfortable or not.
Censors falsely assume that fiction normalises bad behaviour. We know that fiction never harms anyone. Unrestricted artistic & creative expressions need to be supported without compromise, regardless if certain people find certain types of fiction / art obscene.
Those who promote censorship via extortion and laws under the
guise of preventing harm, are the ones who are exclusively
harming & infantilising people the most. Such a vile
misanthropic mindset can easily be described as extreme bigotry
of low expectations.
There is absolutely nothing immoral about depicting or
describing taboo/sensitive topics (e.g. incest, rape, sexiness,
etc.) in entertainment. Fiction never negatively affects
reality. To claim otherwise is like claiming that e.g. cutlery
and chopsticks cause obesity.
Stricter standards in any form of entertainment are
usually/always synonymous with regression, infantilisation and
creative bankruptcy.
Eastern entertainment usually contains consequences, real
storytelling. No watered down nonsense that was advertised to kids all through the 70ies and 80ies.
I watched the religious Right and the satanic panic try and
ban, burn and censor everything. I watched the left and their
PMRC try to censor, burn and ban music. Both sides are terrible. Same agenda, different reasoning.
Everything has to fit into the
narrow mindset of ideologues. They leave no room for nuance and critical
thinking is discouraged. Do as I say or be outcast is their
mantra. Both sides do that.
Anime in the 1980ies and 1990ies were spunkier, flashier, unrestricted. Writers and animators had way more creative freedom and their committees much smaller. Today, too many cooks spoil the broth. We want to see Japanese entertainment from the Japanese lens. Not this sanitised Western lens. When it comes to the sanitisation of Japanese media, Western Anglophone nations outside of Asia are the most guilty of this. Screw Global Standards! Screw generic lowest common denominator slop! Screw Wooden Spoon Standards!
Amen to that!… This is the reason why that ‘normie-tourists, gatekeeping-filters’ are necessary! Because we did not realize that in time, we are now have the current state of anime be what it is today… where everything gotta be safe, censored, and sanitized so that these normie-tourists won't bet upset.
To me people who try to make anime controversial I fine that cute, with me it's like come on man it's just fiction and if you don't like that said series that doesn't aline with your taste there is a option called "don't watch" its that simple and move on but there is alot of people out there that think this option doesn't exist unfortunately, it's like when they see this option they go like how dare you try to make me a reasonable individual.
the best example of media challenging you but having a clear message while clearly being disturbing is yuri kuma arashi.
True lesbian Bears and society
It's great you mention Higehiro. Society doesn't mention or talk about the negatives of NOT allowing good people to take someone in, whether they're male or female.
If the state punishes good people that ARE NOT doing anything s*xually, then there's nothing to stop bad people feom taking advantage because they by default won't follow the law.
When Crunchyroll still had its comments open it was interesting to see comments by individuals that were in her situation.
This is a problem only in the west
Australia has a problem with it too.. 😅
Japan themselves have the same problem. Yeah, they let it go a little further than the west does but it is still there.
@@chadgrimwell8380 Australia is a problem
@@chadgrimwell8380 Technically Australia is still part of the west in regards to its culture and geopolitcal allegiances.
@@Yuu-mf6lp probably yes, however Australians themselves don't want to be considered as part of the West.
When it comes to the entire Ronin Kenshin stuff, I already dealt with that years ago after what happened to the High School DxD VA who originally voiced Issei.
Yes he did something really horrible, but as long as he wasn't part of the group who attacked Anime fans years later, I can watch the Anime he did VA for without thinking too much. That all happened after he spent time in jail.
Rudeus from Mushoku Tensei is similar to the protagonist of Welcome to the NHK.
The way those characters develop is different, but I am thankful that we are able to enjoy these stories.
The reactions from other people is more of a reflection of society itself NOT wanting to acknowledge the demons of real life monsters in real life.
We need more anime like Mitsudamoe.
There's all kinds of anime to pretty much to suit anyone so there's no need to censor it. All you are doing by censoring is preventing someone from watching a anime that the censoring person wasn't going to watch anyways
Don't like it, don't watch it.
It REALLY is that easy.
People don't want media to tell them what to think, they want media to tell everyone else to think what they think they should think.
i mean, From the new world was a freaking masterclass in thought provoking subjects. (and not too far off from planet of the apes, Shin sekai yori is the japanese name if you were unsure.)
Agreed. Very good series.
There is a gal manga, where a Gyaru is failing school, and it starts with her getting help from her teacher, and there is romance involved. have yet to continue it.
Its called Gal Gohan, huh it finished up at 69 chapters, Noice.
I am the type of person who loves Wholesome Ecchi.
You have a wholesome story, with Ecchi eye-candy.
Vivered Operation is one such series that I enjoyed the Wholesome story with Ecchi eye-candy.
0:09 - Funnily enough, live action has; while animation was awoken emotions we wouldn’t have otherwise…😏
Most people have darker desires etc, we're not all moral angels, very few people are in fact. People love delving into naughty stuff because it's exciting; they imagine a world where they can try and do things that are not so morally good, to experience it. This is what fiction allows, is investigation into these ideas, and let the darker side of us breathe, instead of remain bottled up until it explodes. It's a yin and yang thing.
if you think anime is too far, go back to M-SHE-U. oh wait you don't want that either and why its dead.
i find most of today anime to be too wholesome sometimes. I mean i grew up on Dominion tank police, Kite, M.D. Geist. Robotech. I think i made my point
I think Mushoku Tensei is interesting in that it's not following the beats of a redemption story because it doesn't appear to be one. Rudeus grows up. Or out, anyway. It's a story of a hikikomori managing to grow past that and become more or less a more normal, but still problematic person.
Do we accept that person? To what extent do we do so and why? This is super relevant because this is a worldwide phenomenon to some extent. What do we do with the people who want to grow and be more, but who can't make up for what they've been and what they've done?
I think it's not going to be to the liking of everyone, but we're all going to have to deal at some point because it's not just a story on paper or on stream, but a real story about real people who exist in the world. Do we send them back to their solitude and dysfunctional life?
It could never be a redemption story. He gets to be a different person and escape the consequences the first time. The second world is more forgiving in his crimes and misdeeds because half of them aren't viewed as societally wrong even though they still effect people. Yes, there is some room for growth, but typically those kinds of people need to find new people and circles to really refresh so going back to the people he's wrong in his second life, in a world that largely doesn't condemn him for his actions, is the epitome of wish fulfillment rather than something that should be learned from.
I don't think anime goes to far in general. I love that it explores some deeper and darker themes or isn't afraid to be risque. If there was only one thing i could change. It would be to age up some characters that do fall in to that Ecchi category and for a majority of shows that only needs to happen on paper. Just to bring it in line with what most of the world deems acceptable which is usually in that 16-18 range. But For example 100 girls who really really love me.... Hilarious show but there is 0 reason for a character to be portrayed as minor who has a dipper. Sure they try to get around it by saying actually she's the eldest and uses science to appear younger but that fly's way too far into PDF territory. Making characters 16-18 in most cases requires no art change. Rather than 13-15 as they are typically written. Japan has changed its laws on ages for example its age of consent has been raised to 16 bringing it in line with most of the west. But that hasn't filtered in to anime and manga yet. Personally if an anime is going to be Ecchi or needs censored/uncensored versions then i think the characters should be 18+ but at a minimum 16-18 range at least would fall into what's legal for most countries.
There was a certain guy who got the wrong idea from The Beatles' Helter Skelter.
Or he was just a dude that decided to use Helter Skelter as his justification and rationalization to do what he wanted to do anyway.
19:25 - it was both
Slavery isn't just common in anime, it was common in the world in general, and most people didn't have a moral problem with it. Civilizations were built on slave labor based economy. The problem is that Americans have an extremely narrow, America centered understanding of world history, thanks to that ongoing joke they refer to as "education."
Story Telling should always come first. If turns out to be Controversial and Challenge Thought then so be it.
4:00!
if i watch or read something that im not comfortable with, i just stop and move on my life,i have already have high tolerance because i live childhood in the 90s when censorship is not too strict,i watch some 80s movies that look like a snuff film.for me its just fiction and don't mix it in my reality.
Dare I say you’re conflating western story telling with mainstream story telling. I argue east and west doesn’t matter. What matters is mainstream vs independent and unorthodox story telling. Main stream is fine. But I like out of the box story telling. You wonder why Joker Folie A Deux is so hated. You wonder why Star Wars acolyte is so hated. It’s not mainstream story telling. They are mainstream ip but unorthodox story telling not palpable for the main stream audience. Some people say that the second season of arcane isn’t as good as the first. Gee I wonder why. Oh I know. it’s because the first season of arcane has a digestible story to the mainstream. I think that’s what’s missing in this podcast. its the less than mainstream anime that your worried about. Japan have been trying so hard to conquer the world with their japanimation and Japanese comics that most the audience outside of japan conflate the more out there anime that is clearly not mainstream to western story telling while trying to defend it. And you know what. I think that’s the internets fault. What a monolith the internet can be at times.
If you think x, y or z manga is dirty.
You haven't seen Sundome a manga that was published by Yen Press in the late 2000s
if anyone reading this is offended by drama queen, I advise you to read any european highschool history book, or even american but the ones before the year 2000. You will be shocked what actually happened in the real world.
I personally have never like loli stuff i find it disgusting. That said, Idc that it exist, if it bothers me I can just go watch something else. I do hate the main stream audience nowadays crying about everything. We should've held the gates instead of being so open. Now anime is filled with tourists.
It's a drawing people
Fran!!!!
loli must be defended or you lose the ground to defend anything
There are some anime made for kids and some that are not
I'll dare say that YES, some stories have no right to exist and shouldn't exist.
You talked that an author shouldn't tell you that the "wrong things" in the story are wrong (or right). I agree that the reader also have a responsibility to think for himself, but sometimes the reader doesn't and its very ignorant about the matters in the story. Some as very influenciable and are exploited by the author. Some authors don't want to tell a history, like for example a mangá where the characters talked about how the many crimes against humanity Japan committed that they "learned at school" (I don't think Japanese schools teach that) were all lies and that Japan was just a poor victim.
A story like that should not exist and I would personally throw copies of it on the bonfire.
Now, about Drama Queen, I imagine some people are on guard for the always present possibility of a switcheroo, but anyways I find it very interesting because I don't think Nomamoto is "reliable". I have this feeling that she wasn't actually hit by the aliens and her nose bleeds for some other reason...
Even so, even if it is what it seems and the protagonists are "anti-heros" doing something "wrong", we can at least see why would they do that. That page on second chapter with Kitami "erasing" the cause of his suffering as beautiful.
those stories should exist and you are always wrong for wanting more censorship. get out of my hobbies and stay away before i force you to.
Anime girls are scary.
Scary that real women don’t compare to them☹️
I love political-intrigue.
The way he uses the word loli alone is giving creep vibes
good. that means you can stay away from the anime and manga community and leave me alone.