That only works for America though. Germany with its welfare state loses more money on low skilled immigrants than they actually contribute. That is why countries like Denmark don't give them money but pay them with food stamps etc. This way they stopped the immigration into the social security net.
do they count the cost of programs to get migrants situated? outside of welfare programs seems odd the migrants wouldnt always be an overall boon especially in America
@@jasonu3741 We have mainly muslim migrants that have insanely high unemployment rates. About 15 percent. That is crazy high. Denmark had the same problems but since they issued food stampos instead of money the problem is getting better. Also keep in mind that America has standards of who can immigrate. A lot of the people coming to Germany are very low skill. Not the type of immigrants that really contribute in economical terms.
The whole IQ discussion is so cringey. Its basically Destiny and other people who have never done an IQ tests. There are about three different scales all with their own deviation. Is basically like you would be talking about earning money I make 100 k 100 k of what Euros, Pounds or Dollars. 74 on one Scale can be slightly below average but on another scale can be mentally impaired.
I’d rather have an evil genius running the show then… this. There’s something infinitely more insulting that it’s a bunch of morons running the country into the ground
Idk man I think Occam’s Razor points to it just being a dude who sounds like Elon. There are 8 billion people in the world, one of them is bound to sound like Elon. It’s possible it’s an AI, but tbh he responds too quickly to be an AI and doesn’t have any of the uncanny valley sounds like AI voices do. I’m thinking 90% chance it’s a different dude unless I see more evidence, like for instance if Adrian was only active online at the same times as Elon.
I despise these politicians etc who have other accounts they use to push their agenda/narrative. Like Nancy mace. Who used her burner account to push lies that she was attacked by a trans activist.
Elon finally realized why the left is so frustrated with the right.. he got that mad just trying to explain a simple concept of H-1B visa’s.. and the positives of immigration..
I grew up in India till I was about 15, then came here for boarding high school, so I can speak on this with some experience, granted I came to America back in the mid 2000s. Indians are way ahead in math and science in terms of material. They don't always have the best teachers though. HOWEVER, learning critical thinking is somewhat important here (US) in history and English, and this is simply not the case in India. In the US, if you pass high school history and English, just as a by product, you learn some level of argumentation. Let me give an example. In history class here, the teacher will say, "from your reading homework, you have the dates and events. In X event, President P made Decision A. With this hindsight in mind, was this the correct decision by P? How would things have played out if Decision B was taken instead?" In India, the teacher will make you read the textbook and grade you on how well you memorize the events and put them on paper in the exam. I was very confused when my English teacher wanted me to write an argumentative essay on a book, because all I was used to doing for English class, was reading short stories and passages while being tested on my reading comprehension and how well and grammatically correctly can I write a descriptive essay.
That would make a lot of sense.. given that i bet in like 10-20 years india will be the next china as far as a global trade powerhouse.. accept they will be a massive exporter.. i could possibly explain the connection but meh😂😂.. thank you for sharing that..
So, Indian (and China) education is rote-memorization and studying 12 hours a day for an exam that determines whether or not you live in poverty. Meanwhile, US education promotes critical-thinking and colleges evaluate your application based on you as an individual, guaranteeing almost anyone the right to seek higher education. Which one is better?
Yeah, NO! They couldn't be more equally matched. He's just another run of the mill manly Republican trying to hold place until John Wayne reappears to save murica.
History has proven it, Bush wasn’t stupid, he was just slower than the average politician imo. He wasn’t dumb, just an average intelligence that didn’t always have the smooth delivery of a politician. He had some gaffs that can’t even compete with Trump’s glitches. It’s that bush wasn’t book-smart like traditional presidents. Trump is aggressively ignorant, uncultured, and isn’t curious or introspective. I think Bush had was better.
I knew the Capitalists right and the Ethnonationalist right would start tearing each other apart, didn’t know it’d happen even before inauguration day though! This is sweet!
Don't forget about the surprised-pikachu-face right that are like "this isn't what I voted for, ..., right? Fox news said it was terrible under Biden but with Trump it'd all be better!"
@mr-boo at least teachers aren’t trying to change my kids gender so yea I’d say it’s still a win. Nobody claimed trump is perfect but still miles above Kamala. Besides immigration has been reduced from 100% to 0.1% so still a fat W
@SunshineDB-009 yeah, thats sort of the point of the comment. Its very saddening the bush era is somehow looked upon fondly when we all know how bad it was for the time as well. Us politics is lowering out standard more and more
I really don’t understand when people say you don’t learn anything useful in college. Is it degree/program dependent? I got an accounting degree and work in public accounting. Everything I learned in my accounting classes directly applies to my work every single day
@@TheElitegamer23 Think about it not as either-or, but both. On the job, you learn how to do tasks A, B, C, etc., to the company's specifications. This is obviously important. However, you are only getting experience in things the company deems important right now. If you are doing any kind of degree, you are expected to get/have a broad overview of your field beyond what you might need to know in a particular job right now. As an analogy, think of a doctor and a nurse: A nurse is generally way more experienced in performing specific tasks (e.g., taking a blood sample) as they are doing these over and over, but high-level decisions are made by doctors (e.g., diagnostic, decision which medicaments the patient gets). If you look at the career path of a nurse, you are earning money faster, but the lifetime earnings potential of a doctor is significantly higher. Generally, people who rely solely on on-the-job training can, in certain situations, earn a good living early on, but their potential is often capped. A person with 5 years of work experience is significantly better than one with 1 year, but how big is the difference between one with 10 vs 20 years?
it's not about getting trapped in the US, it's about trapping them at a *company*. H1B's are tied to the sponsoring company, so employees can't just up and quit whenever the emploeyr demands 120 hour "super hardcore" workweeks - which Elon is famous for fwiw.
The H1B workers, are for Musk, the equivalent having an indentured servant on the payroll, they can't leave, they can't ask for a raise (what are they going to do if denied the raise). They are the equivalent to Hispanic field workers, the H1B worker just gets to work in a nice building without the sun beating down on them.
imagine if elon musk got a low taper fade (edit: the support this comment has gotton is MASSIVE i was LOW- key not expecting it to TAPER off like this!)
The left did the same thing though. Let’s not pretend like a large part of destinies content 3 years ago wasn’t strictly him arguing against unhinged lefties.
I read from a lot of IT people that the main reason there's so many Indian IT engineers is because in many US companies their IT is lead by a Indian Manager who will often hire their friends from back home, and that most US companies also want this because they're basically indentured servants who will often work harder for much less, plus any possible path to citizenship depends on them keeping that job. It's not that US has a lack of talented American engineers and IT people, its rather just how the industry works. I have no clue how accurate this is, but if that is the case, I do think it would be more beneficial for the country if companies were to prioritize Americans seeking out these jobs.
I was employed by a massive insurance company that used a company called CapGemini, which has almost 200k Indian employees. Almost 80% of our team was comprised of these contract Indians. This is likely what you are referring to, but it is much, much, much larger than one manager from India, it is a contract work strategy.
@25:00 The reason people are concerned about h1b visa workers and their pay is because they can't really go negotiate higher pay or raise ask for raises. Their visa depends on their job and its sponsorship, if they get "let go" they can get forced to move out of the country. This leads to a power dynamic that makes them extremely attractive to employeers over citizens who have more options for jobs if they can't get the pay they want or are treated terribly. TLDR: If getting fired means that you have to move back to your country, how do you tell your employer NO to ridiculous hours or ask for fair pay for your work?
@jhlasa so you admit that companies knowingly abuse the threat of deportation as a means to make foreigners to work in harsh and sometimes predatory behaviors
Vivek: We put man on the moon and now Americans just watch tv and party. Elon: Exactly. 1960s: Uhm… man was put on the moon during the hippies era, during the era of Woodstock. 2020s: American culture produced critically acclaimed Oppenheimer and the new Dune movies which were seen by millions of Americans. Nerd is still in. Science is still hip. Vivek and Elon are just losers who are very insecure about what losers they are. They could have made a good point, that there aren’t enough native-born Americans to do certain jobs, yet they couldn’t help themselves. They had to put their foot in their mouths. Dems should take advantage of this. Any chance to make a schism even slightly wider should be taken advantage of
@@EquinoxGate It isn’t a gotcha. It is an explanation of how Elon and Vivek are wrong in a way that demonstrates they don’t know what they are talking about. Seethe better
@skontheroad cause one place is super expensive and the other is just people who have been well off from parents and are expecting more success than their parents ever did.
I live in a medium sized city that’s starting to really grow. Prices are going up but we aren’t at New York or LA levels yet. I know a single guy who makes 70k who bought a house a few years ago. I have a relative who makes 80k and has a kid who bought a 2000 sq ft house in 2020. I live in a 3 bedroom apartment and it’s under 2k. 70k is very comfortable for normal people in medium or small cities
College can be a waste of time. It depends on what you are trying to do. There is a reason why virtually every “modern” scientist of note went to college. Newton, Einstein, Bohr, Von Neumann, Maxwell, Fermi, Oppenheimer, Hawking, Crick, Darwin, Mendel, etc. Virtually every scientist of note went to school. The same holds true for engineering. Just look at… practically anyone in the engineering space. Edison, Bell, Tesla, Musk, Gates, Jobs, Von Karman, Von Neumann, John Holland, von Braun, Sikorsky, Turing, Woz, Linus, Zuck, etc. They virtually all have at least some type of college/university education
back then you had to visit the libraries and people who had the information physically. physical locations are severely outdated for the modern age of information. modern college is the dress code for high paying jobs, not an actual source of information with deep insights. colleges work with overheads so immense, that anything they invent is an accidental side effect, not the product of efficient design. actual modern scientists create/contribute for startups
Don't forget that little detail of a college degree being a requirement for some 90% of STEM related jobs to say one, and I mean a literal requirement. You don't get to self appoint as an engineer, or a medic, or an actual researcher (non-stem too). Just in the same way you don't get to self appoint as a lawyer. But people seem to willingly forget that every now and then.
@@two_number_ninesthe fact that basically 0% of even mathematical contributions come from autodidacts (who should have every resource they need at their disposal), says a lot though.
“There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.” - The Decider Dubya
@@adrianacosta5189 Hey Adriana, thanks for reaching out and offering your opinion. It is always helpful to hear from the supporters of the oligarchy. I am strongly looking into more powerful words even as we speak. We'll see how it goes.
The first time I heard this quote in real time, I was a little kid and it made me laugh so much how he butchered such a simple saying. I look back at it very fondly now 😂
My hotel company hired someone from Nepal on a visa, and he is one of the best employees I have ever had. He only had a year long visa, but I have told him if he ever wants to come back to the US we will make it happen.
Median household income in the u.s. is about $70,000 per year, so half of the households earn less than that amount. Laura Loomer is really out of touch.
Just because half of the households do earn less than 70,000, doesn't mean they are able to 'live' off of their income. For example, if someone is spending more than they earn and getting further into debt is that really living off of your income? What if they are unable to save for retirement?
@jasonmacfarlund2703 failure to manage your own income isn't indicative of general ability to live off that income. I have a friend who lives off 45k a year comfortably because he lives within his means and is single with no kids.
also buddy you’re talking shit but why are you here if you hate destiny so much you ain’t got no life and nothing better to do other than comment on someone’s video whom you let consume your mind so much you had to write a shitty joke that no one found funny and when someone said something true about your joke you got upset and called him a “grinch sympathizer” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 L
Vivek comments about how we should have went to science fairs or extra math tutoring was tone deaf from an Oligarch child. When unions were broken up, that was from CEOs and Republicans to disarm the working class with a lever to pull to ensure fair wages, working conditions, etc. Explain this to me Vivek - I grew up in the 90s, once the Oligarch claws were deep into everything. My parents both had to work, multiple jobs. We were latch key kids. Who TF was going to take us to science fairs and additional tutoring?? You can create these pockets of prejudice (culture wars) for people to get lost in but finally Americans are waking up to what the real problem is - Corporate Greed. Bring back 90s culture, where the hate was pointed correctly - at the top. 99% vs 1%. Let’s bring it back
@@DahVoozelthey literally pay the same fees tho. Also what you’re referring to is the citizens. International students get no subsidy and yet perform better than Americans.
@@lincabe321filtered for a) high skill (and pay) labour and/or b) being well-off even before immigrating, at scale of course. A poor and non-educated Chinese or Indian person somehow needs to cross the Pacific Ocean and not just the Rio Grande or simply be born in the US from the start.
W Bush was considered “stupid” because he would slip up when speaking in public. The southern drawl didn’t help. That and we were used to having a great public speaker as president with Clinton for 8 years.
This was a long time ago, so I can't remember the details. It was my opinion that Bush was an evil prick for his role in the Iraq War. It changed to him being well meaning dummy, who was guided to it by Rumsfeld and Cheney after reading Dirty Wars by Jeremy Scahill.
The problem in tech isn't that people can or can't do a job. The problem is I have three years of experience, but the company wants someone with five. I can easily do the job, but someone in another country could do it slightly better. So I wasted 3 years of my life developing a skill in a framework that doesn't transfer to another job. So I am forced to take a far interior job for much less pay because someone else can do the job slightly better for less money and could never leave their job. This adversely affects me, my wife, and my kids. My kids go to a worse school and have fewer future opportunities because of this. The government shouldn't prioritize what is good for a company over what is good for the people of the country.
yes, this is called competition in free market. What you want is protectionism, which translates to lower quality/higher price products, which eventually translates into damage to the economy. If you are skilled, you will have no problem getting a suitable job, or even move to another area or another country to advance your career, or change your career paths (maybe your chosen framework is obsolete)
@@CosminDuruwhich is why free market capitalism sucks ass. In a true free market capitalist world taken to its logical conclusion, almost the entire U.S. workforce would be employed by cheap laborers who work longer hours.
@@jd2484 that's why you need unions, to fight for your worker rights. Free market is perfectly fine, you just have to contain it with stricter regulations like max. hours or minimum wage. In EU we get 25-30 days annual leave, that's 6 weeks of payed vacation!
@@CosminDuru >free market is perfectly fine >you just have to contain it with strict regulations ??? If a free market was perfectly fine, it wouldn't need any regulations. You put in regulations when the free market is not going perfectly fine.
There is an abundance of americans that are qualified for tech jobs, so much so that it is competitive to get a job. It is insane that people are ACTUALLY falling for Elons propaganda about americans being too dumb to do jobs or lazy. Its obvious he is devaluing americans so he can hire forigners for a lower wage. Its literally manipulation at the most basic level: tear down the victim's self esteem so its easier to get what you want. Now everyone is too busy conversing about american work ethic than how bad an increase of these visas can be.
From Destiny calling Elon an African American to the immediate follow up of “We took this country from the Indians once and we can do it again” was back to back whiplash 31:50
With Vivek (and IT H1Bs) coming to the fore, the switch from "Indians" to "Native Americans" really would seem to prudent at first glance, simply for clarities sake. But in the current discourse/this video "Native American" is just as ambiguous a term. That could just as well denote a white guy from Mississipi, who's great-grandparents owned a farm, if you know what I mean. Truly a word salad of labels.
i mean it’s kind of our best bet and it’s most likely what’s gonna happen it’s not a sad mentality it’s a very true mentality. And if it’s sad maybe think about trying to make a change instead of sounding like such a debbie downer. Go do something about it.
@@redmatrixx Why? The slogans that Trump ran on, if turned into policies, will be destructive to the US economy and government. If MAGA is too busy destroying themselves over stupid culture shit, they won’t destroy the economy or government.
@supernyghts What's so funny? It's literally true. Just go search up some of Bush's and Trump's speeches and compare them side-by-side, and you'll see.
ya know it’s possible to condem someone’s actions yet at the same time praise them for also being able to put their country over their personal gain or whatever they main gain from voting republican. it’s about character but it seems like the republican party lacks integrity, character, and common sense so take what you will of that i don’t care 🤷♂️
Immigrants obviously love their homeland. The food, culture, norms, etc. They left because there weren't opportunities, their lives were in danger, they wanted to explore the world, etc. I bet they still love their homeland. They just understand that they want to live a life that can't be had due to whatever circumstance or they just want to move to America. I don't see why immigrants would hate their homeland.
@@coolcat1530 tbf as an Indian in America, a lot of Indians hate India. Keep in mind this is anecdotal but in a big majority, people dislike or even hate India
because of the homeland circumstances, obviously. if their homeland is a polluted sh!thole, a failed state or a brutal dictatorship, why would you not hate that? People are usually reluctant to relocate from a prosperous stable country, you don't see many german, danish or swiss immigrants, do you? So yes, you are left with loving the food and maybe culture, although these are mostly nationalist propaganda values hardwired into their heads at early ages (childhood education)
It’s not whether they would feel trapped by H1B visas, it’s the inherent power dynamic that comes with the nature of these visas that allow corporations to do as they please, there are plenty of H1B visa related exploitations, look it up.
Why did he even bother to do this? We can tell it's his voice but for some reason the morons he's talking to can't tell that it's him with an alt? Or do they just know and choose to not acknowledge it? Why are these people so bizarre man wtf lmao.
TDS, a syndrome where the individual credulously believes everything Donald Trump says and can't form a rational argument for the policies so they just say everyone who disagrees with them is deranged.
Super small anecdote about Mexican manual labor workers. I used to work at home depot and worked there even this year. Of all the people who would come in to get material for their job whether lumber or concrete mix or otherwise, the mexican teams would roll in, fill up their own carts, high tail it out the door after paying, and then immediately fill up their own truck and drive off with no questions asked. It could be 50 fucking bags of 50lb Quikrete and the team will just own that shit and throw it into the truck in 3 minutes as a team or something. Almost all the other customers were entitled and lazy and wanted us to load it with the forklift or help them load and had all these hoops to jump through comparatively. Not ALL but many, many of the others. It was to the point where it was noticeable and it was actually usually nicer to have a Mexican team because you knew those guys wouldn't bitch, they would just kick ass and get out there to get to the jobsite. Other Latinos could be demanding and whiny too, but not really the Mexican guys. It's like it was their solemn duty in life or something to be the hardest possible worker and get things done fast.
No we didn't. The dems and gop are in cohoots regarding giving companies an opportunity to replace American workers for h1b. There is no law that says h1b goes before American workers
Destiny. The standard deviations, at least with a normal distribution, would go as such. One SD in either way would entail 68% of a given population, 95% for 2, and 99.7% at 3. So for IQ, a score of 130 would be exactly 2 standard deviations away. That would be top 2.5%, since that 95% of the rule would also include any individuals with 70 or less IQ. I hope this helps if you ever read this
Saagaar is a tool. Lot of Indians and Asians working in the global West are programmers. You can't program with memorisation. Can't be done. You need analytical skills, abstraction, logic, modelling and so on... You CAN be a programmer while stupid, but you're just doing menial tasks and leeching off other people. Generally in IT you'll have a couple of wizz-kids and nerds, a couple of people that are good workers but have less skills, and around half to 3 quarters are deadweight that leech of the productivity of others. The geeks can and do fix anything, along with the workers they do all the work plus fix the screwups of the rest, which is primarily there to make noise and push down on chairs. The deadweight are very very rarely immigrants. The management almost entirely consists of deadweight.
but its bad for the immigrants and its bad for the native people, only good for companies because the wages of the people goes down when they can import workers from India and treat them like shit knowing they have nowhere else to physically go. This happened in my country, Canada. Their only options are similar low paying job for immigrants, which are intro jobs that were supposed to be offered at a regular wage to the citizens of the country.
One of my cousins graduated from the top university in India in software engineering, he had opportunities to come here, but he stayed there because theirs a huge movement in India to work for Indian companies and stay there to make the country better. A lot of Indian engineers are returning to India
This. The top talent of countries like India and China generally DO NOT go to the US. It's the ppl who've not done well in their home country,but have the money to go abroad. So it's like a second chance for them. The US is essentially taking in rejects from top programs in India and China
I here Africans talk up the rise of Africa after the white oppression. People from India want to visit India but never stay , same with the Mexicans I have met
I'm Irish and looking to move to Kenya. There are some things we take for granted in Europe that are much worse in Africa but if you want to become an entrepreneur it's the way to go. Kenya will boom like 1990s Ireland soon.
The fast food worker OT thing is a real thing. You can get OT if you’re a manager but not if you’re a crew member. Managed at 2 different companies when I was younger and worked at 3 total. Phone companies are the same. When you work on the sales floor no OT.
Yup, they did that crap in the painters union I was in too. They would not pay you any overtime. Instead they made you work for cash under the table for everything over 40hrs. They would also use you less once you became a journeymen because you were more expensive. They'd have one or two journeymen on a job and the rest were apprentices. Journeymen were always the first to be laid off.
Do these idiots understand that having 2x as many STEM graduates as there are STEM jobs is a meaningless statement? Literally two seconds of thinking should be able to demonstrate why this is a dumb comparison
I'm surprised to hear your views on economics. We are miles apart. 1. America was born as a Oligarchy. 2. America is a specific type of oligarchy known as a plutocracy. 3. Plutocracy is a government of by and for the money. It is power best accessed by wealth and power, at the expense of average citizens. 4. Conservative Republicans have almost always been for illegals coming into America, they just want the ability to abuse them once their here. As Governor Reagan made a career out of bringing in illegals to undermine worker wages. Reagan even helped replaced illegals with illegals. Reagan created the concept of NAFTA, GHW Bush built it and Clinton passed it. NAFTA like CAFTA and the TTP have no labor standards. During the Clinton administration the inside discussion was that with American labor standards NAFTA could end poverty in Mexico. Then the US Chamber of Congress, Big Banks, and Wall Street started massive infusion of money to the Clinton's and the Democrats. That was the end of the party for the working man. Instead Clinton began building a fence on our southern border. Then GW Bush made it famous. Now Trump renegotiated NAFTA, and obviously with his anti illegal immigration stance instituted American and Canadian level labor standards? Nope, Trump kept NAFTA about the same. Except he called it something different.
Would a capitalist democracatic society with lack of sufficient regulations always devolve into a plutocracy? Seems like a natural consequence of just by market dynamicsZ
That’s the foundation of any civilization. The ppl with money holds power to influence the government and exploit citizens . Now it’s worse with Trump.
there was this argument floating around after the elections that republicans won because they had the lowest barriers to entry. it’s too early to say the strategy has failed but all this should not be taken out of the equation either
The whole "East Asia focuses on rote memorization instead of creativity" almost purely comes from the fact that the largest group of East Asians are obviously the Chinese, and in China it's massively discouraged to be innovative because due to bad patent laws if someone else steals your idea and presents it first you have no real recourse. Which tends to make people keep their head down because they don't want to come up with an idea only for their coworker to get rich off of it while they get nothing, because the society massively incentivizes stealing and bullying your way to the top. Despite being "communists" on paper, it's a very "everyone is in it for themselves" society.
I remember thinking "this is the bottom, we can't get a much dumber president then this." Only for Trump to swoop into the scene and make me realize it can always get dumber.
He also misspoke a lot, which is obviously going to be overused as evidence by the media for “stupidity.” Bush grew up in an environment where it was going to be hard for him to be much dumber and less educated than average lol.
Question for all the trump voters out there. What did you think he meant when he said “Taxes too high, wages too high, we’re not going to be able to compete against the world.” ?
Didnt vote trump but looked into this. I would guess most of his voters didn't see this quote or saw it but didn't believe he said it. He claims he was specifically referring to the desire to raise the minimum wage. The reality is we already can't get low skill manufacturing jobs here even with minimum wage at $7 whatever in most states. I think part of the issue is in order to compete in many industries you have to assembly or manufacturer in lower wage areas. Nike, Apple, Walmart, almost all vehicles, and electronics are creating their products overseas. We as a country have essentially decided we're ok making our phones and cars less expensive using forced/child/slave/and grossly underpaid labor and dangerous working conditions. We can't compete, the only way to bring those jobs back to the US is actually care how these products are made and have a standard. This will never happen as the vast amount of electronics and products we get at artificially lower rates far out weight the American conscious.
What happens in Canada is that companies will put up job ads with no intention of filling them. Then they’ll say “we’ve had this position open for works and we can’t find anyone qualified **LIE**”. And then they’ll say to the government that they need to hire foreign workers (Indians) for a fraction of the cost.
I remember Hitchens roasting Bill Maher and his audience for making fun of 'stupid' Bush. But today, even Maher says that Bush looks so much better compared to Trump.
I mean that attitude is what got us here right? Liberals calling wolf with every conservative leader and then the wolf comes and everyone just calls you gay now.
I worked fast food from about 06-2020, and the amount of hours you got was always directly proportional to how good of an employee you were. All the great employees would get scheduled a full 40 hours (but still wouldn't get any kind of benefits, only managers got benefits), and if you weren't getting scheduled 40 hours or had to fight to get hours, it was pretty much exclusively because you were a bad employee and management wanted you to quit so they wouldn't have to pay unemployment when the fired you.
"europeans be like bro we dont even have that"?? i'm sorry let me laugh in guaranteed paid vacation weeks (usually 5), 3 months notices, unions in practically every industry, proper maternity and paternity leave, affordable health care.... you do know that the USA is currently rank 12 on the quality of life index with 1 - 11 being almost exclusively european countries, right?
Not sure if anyone has seen the interview between Trump and some Silicon Valley execs, but he’s actually stated that he’s thought of exactly what Destiny is advocating for in this video; the idea of bringing in the best and brightest migrants from around the world to contribute to American society. He also stated that “if they want to come to the US and get their degree and/or work, why not automatically give them a green card when they graduate?” And this seems to somewhat align with what Vivek and Musk are pushing for right now. Maybe it doesn’t end up happening when all is said and done, but this is a great thing if this truly is the direction they want to take.
15:20 - Destiny missed the point here. He is saying Indian Americans self orient around minority identity instead of "American" identity, not that they are all social progressives.
As a brown dude from NYC, the political demographics of indian people seems super close to white people. Many many many older generation indian men love trump lol.
Also I have seen the political extreme left has been very racist to Indians since they side with Islamists. Moderate left and right are probably the safe spots for them and since Trump pandered to India more than Kamala, the old dudes were likely to vote for them.
@@lincabe321anti wokism, and pitting “model minorities” against other minorities, and against welfare and government spending for social programs, is also a large factor in the conservatism of older Asian immigrant communities in my personal experience. There’s also insanely unmoderated Alex-Jones types I know boomer Asians watch (lots of Falun Gong, Epoch Times like Channels in Chinese for example).
@@pookz3067 I don't like the framing of pitting them against each other as if they're all supposed to be allied in the first place. They are functionally different, that's why we had rooftop koreans.
As someone who has been in IT for almost 20 years, one thing that remains true among the Indian community is the ones that really have the talent will reach down to the ones that don't have the skills and train them up. There is NO gatekeeping on information. They are willing to hire their own and make sure they get the skills needed to advance. Not all of them are superior programmers or IT professionals out the gate. With natural born Americans, there's a ton of gatekeeping on opportunities. You can learn some of these skills outside the office environment but most companies care about degrees and professional experience, and what Indians do allow them to obtain both of those important parameters.
George was “stupid” cos he would trip over his words often. He was also known to be a heavy drinker etc in college. One thing that you could bank on was that he loved his country and would do ANYTHING to protect ALL Americans.
In fact, few people are happily working as an H1B holder. They only consider it a step to become permanent residents and US citizens. Also, it's not easy for unhappy H1B holders to just pack and leave. The majority started working here after college or mid 20s. Overtime, they have built their family with a house and kids here. It's a huge burden to call a quit and leave then.
@@lincabe321 They are almost always underpaid, relative to their skills and experience, because of the lack of outside options and dependence on their current company.
@TheHandsomebaby this is categorically false. H1B employers must prove that their employees are being paid at least the prevailing wage rate for their occupation.
@killzone866 big claim coming from someone with no more evidence than anecdotes. Firstly, H1B workers are paid salary, not hourly. Secondly, due to the fact an LCA is necessary for petitioning for a H1B worker, and the fact that if there is even one case of a sponsoring employer having previously broken labour laws then the LCA will be denied by the DoL, this is not really a concern for the vast majority of cases. Thirdly, and this is important, H1Bs are portable. This means that, in the off chance labour laws are being broken by an employer, or even if the employee just doesn't like the employer for another reason, that H1B employee is able to transfer their visa to a new employer and beginning working and will maintain legal status AS SOON as the new H1B petition (form I-129) is PENDING and they have terminated employment with the previous employer. This means that so long the new employer has begun the sponsorship process (and its a non frivolous application), the H1B worker can change employers with no issues. The H1B transfer process does not require rentering the lottery either so long as the original H1B was still valid. Further, at the level that most H1B workers are in terms of skills and experience, they won't rly have a hard time finding a new employer willing to sponsor... y'all are really reaching. Learn what ur talking about before sharing Ur opinion on it.
Talking about wages… I worked at my first law office as a paralegal (that required a bachelors degree and paralegal certificate) and I made $18 per hour… mind you it’s a big popular firm in the Bay Area/sacramento… 2 years later and I’m at another job(same position and requirements) and I’m only getting $20 per hour… it’s frustrating out here…
Yeah, bro, I've made more as a line cook with no relevant schooling to that line of work. I was thinking about going back to school, but everyone is making me think that would be a ludicrous thing to do. 😂 Like, sorry, but this is actually insane to me that anyone is putting up with the labor situation here in America. These employers are fleecing people hardcore. There's no way they couldn't have afforded to pay you more. It's completely unacceptable.
@ oh I KNOW she could pay more. This lawyer is super popular in the Bay Area/Sacramento area to where she’s buying out all the ads for basketball games and buildboards. I’ve been to one of her five mansions and have seen her 2 Lamborghinis and 2 teslas. She lives a very luxurious life where all her employees make under $25 per hour (except the other lawyers of course. I’m not sure how much they make)
@@Vivian-Luna honestly ngl you could probably easily get 65k-75K a year if you went an applied to work in a construction company as a project manager does not even matter what your degree is in really most general contractor firms would hire you on the spot simply for having a bachelors.
I really miss when American politics had professionalism, ethics and manners. Seeing Bush W speak so eloquently compared to Dump. It's almost mind blowing.
Literally the Elon Musk take... Criticizing trades as a manager/business owner without any concept at all about that trade. Just that "I can hire somebody from country xyz with trade yzx for far cheapear; I am an innovator; I understand everything!🤡"
lmao @ me from before I got ~22 mins into this dogshit video.. The more you listen to Destiny, the more he asks the most basic and fundamental questions; which reveal his opinion is rooted in ignorance. Just like the "leaders" who sold out my entire generation.
I had this thought too Insulting a base who is known for violence & guns isnt exactly a smart move ~ tensions are high so poking the bear is just a bad idea
@@Sola-Noir222 He's a narcissist. He'll always defend what his experience is and what he wants when it suits him. He's a South African immigrant himself, he'll always defend immigration.
You don't develop pattern-recognition skills for debating just by being a good physicist. The only way to learn when to zoom out and when to zoom in-so you don't exhaust yourself during a debate-is to actually practice debating. Elon Musk wouldn't risk his "out-of-this-world genius" reputation by going out and debating and potentially messing it up. So, he created Adrian. The end game might be that Elon Musk pays someone to mimic his voice and eventually stages an "in-person meet-up" to "prove" he was never behind the Adrian account.
The nice thing about grabbing an immigrant through work visa as an employer is... That immigrant can't just quit, they have no power in the workforce and they are paid much less
Carpet cleaning is real work. And it explains to me certain working humility that comes across in your takes. I did it originally helping my stepfather go out on jobs. If you weren't careful that matador could break your wrists if you didn't know what your doing. It was hard. But it took me to some fun places, when it would be a little motel,we could travel and stay in one of the rooms, carpet cleaning is based.
52:34 this is why iq is not a good measure, as an Indian who gave an iq test when I was younger, and it is definitely changing based on education level and cultural differences. Research into this has also led researchers to conclude iq scores are affected by education and culture
Tbh the whole "indian IQ" thing seems absurd. I found a stat list saying India has a 76 average IQ, but the same list also said Nepal has a 47 IQ average. Which doesnt seem right, considering Nepal is a place where people live. Doesnt seem like there is much backing for any of this. Generally what Ive heard about IQ is that its hard to compare beteween countries, but that the deviation in IQ from person to person heavily outweights deviation in IQ between nations.
I don’t know why knowledge given about IQ is completely wrong 95% of the time on the Internet. IQ tests that are highly g-loaded (generally what people want when designing an IQ test) do NOT change significantly with culture and education. What you’re saying was true many decades ago, when IQ testing started getting going, and we didn’t yet know how to make tests very well yet.
I mean those people could just be living at a very simple level. Small minority of Normal IQ people govern the country and the low IQ masses just do as told.
@Destiny The H-1 Visa people aren't "trapped" in the US, they are "trapped" in that particular job to stay in the US. The implication is there is a different power dynamic for job attrition.
57:40 is legit. I'm in IT and have worked with Indians before. It's gotten better, but this guy's experience has been my own, especially back in the day. There's a lot of "yeah, yeah, yeah," "sure, sure, sure," and , "okay okay, no problem." When they haven't understood the problem or the ask one bit. They WON'T speak up and ask for clarification or more details, everything is "yeah, got it, no problem." Note this does NOT apply to Indian-Americans, they do speak up and even push back when they disagree with decisions or next steps. I will admit this has improved over time though, particularly in the last three years.
My problem with the H1B discourse is that it implies Americans are lazy when companies are trying to do less and less to bring Americans up. There used to be training and now they expect you to know everything about your job better than the company for entry level stuff. And the companies end up calling Americans lazy for it.
Why would it be the responsibility of the companies to bring Americans up? The responsibility of the companies is to maximise profit. It's the government's job to create incentives to get companies to hire more Americans if that's what you want.
The difference is that Swedes get a safety net. Americans largely don't have a safety net. They're also massively burdened by student loans. They're rewarded for the increased comparative risk with higher compensation.
As for 18:10, I think that’s why most people despise immigrants. Taking in top talent has taken away opportunities from locally born people. Yes, they may be less intelligent or less accomplished, but the current system has failed the people who are born American. Immigration is also one of the biggest factors for wealth inequality, the federal government should prioritise giving opportunities to American citizens.
As far as I know, for a business to be able to participate in giving an H1b visa, it has to prove that it has tried to hire people locally for at least a year, and that the position remained unfilled
@@Klamev The economy isn't a zero sum game but everyone is competing for finite resources. Increasing immigration effectively increases supply of labor. If there's not enough good jobs then locals may feel they are unnecessarily competing with more people for lower wages, less favorable working terms and a more competitive recruiting process. Add in the fact that most cities have a huge housing shortage, leading to rental prices skyrocketing and the conditions are ripe for hating immigration. The fact that discussing the downsides of high immigration is a no no topic definitely doesn't help either.
If you look at many of the most successful silicon valley companies, many many of them were created by foreign born founders. Without that flux, I'm sorry many of the biggest and strongest new technologies that America owns would not have happened if those people say went to China, Germany, etc instead. Even Elon himself is an example of this... without him Tesla would have existed, as he didn't actually found it, but Tesla twice almost died, and Elon, despite him being a horrendous person now, at that time put every single dime he had to keeping Tesla's doors open for just long enough, that they were incredible lucky timing wise around Christmas of 2007 to get a chance to show Mercedes a prototype, and they had like 10 days or something to get the prototype ready, they bought a mercedes smart car, ripped out the engine, and managed to install a drive system, including axis replaced, etc, all in 10 days, so when the heads of Mercedes dropped by for a quick visit on Elon pretty much begging for them to come by, they did, and they showed them a working smart car with an electric engine, and that was enough for them to immediately get a contract to do the engines for a decent sized order of mercedes cars. That money was the only thing that stopped them running completely out of money a week later, and Tesla would have been history. Then in 2008 they managed to get a decent sized loan from the auto loans program that Obama setup where Tesla got an interest free loan for about $400,000. Tesla paid it back in less then a year I think where Ford, GM, and others either never paid back any of the tens of billions of dollars they got, Ford i think paid off a decent amount, but it took like a decade or so to do it. But GMC, and the others just basically defaulted on the government loan. And then Space X simply would not exist without Elon frankly. And America would still likely be buying engines from the soviets as they had been for a decade or long at that point. Same with many other huge companies in Silicon Valley who have been started either by Asians, or by Indian people, most of which come out of the Calcutta institute of Technology, the university in India that tries to be the MIT of India basically, and do succeed in producing insane level graduates who are frankly much smarter then most MIT graduates, and far cheaper. So yea, sure you could 'hire locally' but then so many industries that America relies on for it's economy would be in other nations now. I worked under the visa program back in the late 90's, for Sony doing visual effects, and to get the visa I had to get the Director at that time, I wont' say who, but a huge director, to sign a document saying that the movie he was working on could not be created without me. I was one of the few people in the world at the time in my defense who knew the software they were based around, and so it was true that there simple was not local people they could hire. And I paid into many things that I never got back anything from. When I left the US, all that money in taxes i paid into the US system I'll never see a dime in return from. So if anything, America did just fine even by me, someone who never ended up staying, and worked there for 3.5 years. I think there are some companies that abuse the program, and claim they can't find anyone in America, but really just want the cheaper salaries they can pay someone from say India, who when getting half what some other programmer say at Google, or Facebook is getting who is from America, is insanely happy. So they lie that they person can't be replaced by someone in America. That's a bit grey, but again, some of those foreigners apply for their green card through the visa program are greatly helped in that process, and then go on to birth huge American companies, that employ thousands or tens of thousands of American workers in very high paying jobs, selling tech to the world. Cut out that visa program, and those industries are going to frankly move to other countries. As many of those companies are frankly purely based on the knowledge and skills of the employees, and if you give away that advantage America has, they may never get it back. I'm no fan of Elon, the guy is a liar, and a fraud. He isn't in favor of 'free speech', and he immediately banned left wing accounts for no reason, or because they started to get popular, or have traction in some political area, so he would just ban those accounts. And of course Republicans wouldn't admit this was going on, but now this week suddenly when Elon bans some maga personanilties, or takes away their blue checks for no reason, suddenly now Elon is 'not for free speech'. The right is incredible hypocritical, and I think they literally can't see anything but from their own perspective, so unless it happens to them, they don't believe it, or have zero sympathy, but as sooon as it is them who the same repression of freedom of speech, or economic barriers, or unfair practices, suddenly they are screaming murder, when the exact same thing has been happening other minorities, or people in the left for decades often, and they refurse to admit there is anything to it. So yea, Elon bought Twitter to buy an election, and to be the biggest right wing troll in the world. So just to be clear, he guy is a horrendous person as far as his world view, and politics. But he somehow has some luck with tech companies. I don't even think he is that bright, but he has managed to surround himself with very smart people, and because he doesnt' know how hard something is, asks people to do the impossible and kill themselves for his benefit. And that seems to have been a successful strategy, along with him pretending to be a progresssive, and want to sell EV's to save the world from climate change, only to turn around and u se the entire fortune he made from progressive buying not only shoddy manufactured vehicles, but also his stock, and then use that fortune to literally spit in their faces, and get Trump re-elected, and push back any hope for climate change action decades likely by the time this admin is through. So perhaps I am making an argument for not having these h1b tech visas, cause Elon himself has probably don't so much to hurt AMerica that he alone might weight things so much in the negative direction to what he has cost the country. But Maga of course won't see that side, they only care about the racist side/argument regarding these visas, and the fact that so many Indian, or Asian people are coming into the US on these Visas, taking jobs away from 'white caucasion christians', is their entire fear based lunacy... But honestly, if you ignore the whole Elon robber baron thing, then overall America if they stop the tech visas, are going to very much be sorry in a decade when Silicon valley pretty much relocates to Asia(South Korea, Taiwan, China, Japan), or India, or Europe, or all the above... It's very much going to be shooting yourself in the foot if Americans decide that putting people not as skilled/brilliant into these jobs, gaining in the short term, but handicapping their tech industry compared the rest of the world long term... Another example would be Jensen Haung, who founded NVidia, imagine if he instead stayed in Taiwan, and managed to form the same company in Taiwan, where it would actually have been closer to the plants that actually make the chips for Nvidia anyway. And it's no coincidence that Lisa Su, CEO of NVidia, is also Taiwanesse, born there, and moved like Jensen, to the US... So many foreigners made America, historically, and in the present, it really is the core of what has made america, telling the world come to America to make their dreams into reality. If America closes her doors, out of irrational and ignorance, clueless fear, about how economics really works, and that immigrants actually pay more into things like Social Security, Medicare, etc then they take out, and even the most lowly workers, if they are not allowed to work in the US. The entire southern economy in the US will collapse, as the entire core industries, in agriculture, and many other areas, will have literally no one to pick the fruit, collect the vegetables, so many jobs that include farm hands, ranch hands, handy men who work for cheap keeping so many large agricultural, and ranch based properties functioning for cheap enough to allow for Americans to get cheap eggs, milk, beef, cheese, etc etc.... The entire US economy in 5 years would be in a a depression so deep it would basically be as bad or worse then the great depression... So yea, there is no way this is going to happen....
The truth is there are an abundance of programmers and engineers in America. The simple explanation: elon Musk pays shit, benefits are shit and work hours are shit!
Lmao did Destiny not pay attention politics at all as a kid. George Bush was notoriously stupid. It’s just that Trump and MAGA have lowered the discourse into the pit of hell. I remember growing up as a kid and believing the POTUS had to be the smartest, most strategic, balanced person in the world. 😂
Mannn I thought the same thing growing upuntil I was like.... hold up, George Washington who cared so much about liberty and freedom and the right to representation if taxed..... was spending money for years to find his slave Ona who escaped into freedom? 🤔 lmao
Companies like H1Bs because the people are talented but they also have so much power over them because they basically control their immigration status. Everyone I worked with on an H1B was terrified of speaking up about any mistreatment or ever asking for a raise because they couldn't risk losing their H1B.
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That only works for America though. Germany with its welfare state loses more money on low skilled immigrants than they actually contribute. That is why countries like Denmark don't give them money but pay them with food stamps etc. This way they stopped the immigration into the social security net.
Nick isn’t MAGA. ur dumb
do they count the cost of programs to get migrants situated? outside of welfare programs
seems odd the migrants wouldnt always be an overall boon especially in America
@@jasonu3741 We have mainly muslim migrants that have insanely high unemployment rates. About 15 percent. That is crazy high. Denmark had the same problems but since they issued food stampos instead of money the problem is getting better. Also keep in mind that America has standards of who can immigrate. A lot of the people coming to Germany are very low skill. Not the type of immigrants that really contribute in economical terms.
The whole IQ discussion is so cringey. Its basically Destiny and other people who have never done an IQ tests. There are about three different scales all with their own deviation. Is basically like you would be talking about earning money I make 100 k
100 k of what Euros, Pounds or Dollars. 74 on one Scale can be slightly below average but on another scale can be mentally impaired.
Being the richest man in the world and still finding the time to argue like a loser with other losers on a burner account is insane work 😂😂
I’d rather have an evil genius running the show then… this. There’s something infinitely more insulting that it’s a bunch of morons running the country into the ground
Do u really think Elon the richest man in the world? Just curious
He is just like me frfr
Idk man I think Occam’s Razor points to it just being a dude who sounds like Elon. There are 8 billion people in the world, one of them is bound to sound like Elon. It’s possible it’s an AI, but tbh he responds too quickly to be an AI and doesn’t have any of the uncanny valley sounds like AI voices do. I’m thinking 90% chance it’s a different dude unless I see more evidence, like for instance if Adrian was only active online at the same times as Elon.
@@grahamsell3863 didnt you see 35:14 its not elon speaking on the space, its 'adrian'!
Elon got so mad he finally exposed his burner
I despise these politicians etc who have other accounts they use to push their agenda/narrative. Like Nancy mace. Who used her burner account to push lies that she was attacked by a trans activist.
Dude is so weird. Definitely illuminati member.
Elon finally realized why the left is so frustrated with the right.. he got that mad just trying to explain a simple concept of H-1B visa’s.. and the positives of immigration..
Pls tell me ppl don’t actually think it’s his burner lol.
@@FumbledorfTTR i think enough people are joking about it being him that others not in on the joke see it and think it's actually him
Neocons? Broke. Tired. Out of touch.
Neopets? Bespoke. Reinvigorated. Of the people.
This based take probably came from a Shoyru
@@Nikifuj908Eyrie supremacist
@@Nikifuj908 Nah mate that's total Hissi behaviour. They don't Hissi'tate to spin tales of danger and excitement ;)
We are all just the tomagatchi of capitalism.
Nice
I grew up in India till I was about 15, then came here for boarding high school, so I can speak on this with some experience, granted I came to America back in the mid 2000s. Indians are way ahead in math and science in terms of material. They don't always have the best teachers though. HOWEVER, learning critical thinking is somewhat important here (US) in history and English, and this is simply not the case in India. In the US, if you pass high school history and English, just as a by product, you learn some level of argumentation.
Let me give an example. In history class here, the teacher will say, "from your reading homework, you have the dates and events. In X event, President P made Decision A. With this hindsight in mind, was this the correct decision by P? How would things have played out if Decision B was taken instead?"
In India, the teacher will make you read the textbook and grade you on how well you memorize the events and put them on paper in the exam. I was very confused when my English teacher wanted me to write an argumentative essay on a book, because all I was used to doing for English class, was reading short stories and passages while being tested on my reading comprehension and how well and grammatically correctly can I write a descriptive essay.
True. The Indian space agency has done things for much cheaper than NASA.
That would make a lot of sense.. given that i bet in like 10-20 years india will be the next china as far as a global trade powerhouse.. accept they will be a massive exporter.. i could possibly explain the connection but meh😂😂.. thank you for sharing that..
Gosh, this is similar to the school system in my country. I literally did descriptive essays and reading comprehension in English class.
So, Indian (and China) education is rote-memorization and studying 12 hours a day for an exam that determines whether or not you live in poverty. Meanwhile, US education promotes critical-thinking and colleges evaluate your application based on you as an individual, guaranteeing almost anyone the right to seek higher education.
Which one is better?
that's fair
Bush sounds like Einstein compared to Trump😂
pretty much every republican president sounds like einstein or stephen hawking next to trump it’s not even comparable.
Such a shame lol
Yeah, NO! They couldn't be more equally matched. He's just another run of the mill manly Republican trying to hold place until John Wayne reappears to save murica.
Now watch this drive
So true
watching elon fight on behalf of indian h1b recipients against maga is peak cinema ngl
Money comes first
Especially when he called them racists hahaahahahhahahahhaha
Oligarchs are gonna oligarch
Aren’t u Indian?
Some of his creepiest simps are Indian techbros.
History has proven it, Bush wasn’t stupid, he was just slower than the average politician imo. He wasn’t dumb, just an average intelligence that didn’t always have the smooth delivery of a politician. He had some gaffs that can’t even compete with Trump’s glitches. It’s that bush wasn’t book-smart like traditional presidents. Trump is aggressively ignorant, uncultured, and isn’t curious or introspective. I think Bush had was better.
I knew the Capitalists right and the Ethnonationalist right would start tearing each other apart, didn’t know it’d happen even before inauguration day though! This is sweet!
Don't forget about the surprised-pikachu-face right that are like "this isn't what I voted for, ..., right? Fox news said it was terrible under Biden but with Trump it'd all be better!"
2024 ended with a bigger twist than S2 of Squid Game.
capitalist, ftw! thank goodness commie kamala lost!!!
MAGA is still on top
@mr-boo at least teachers aren’t trying to change my kids gender so yea I’d say it’s still a win. Nobody claimed trump is perfect but still miles above Kamala. Besides immigration has been reduced from 100% to 0.1% so still a fat W
Looking back at W Bush era with nostalgia is honestly incredibly and deeply depressing.
Bush was based. He overthrew a literal fascist dictator.
We need Bush now.
You mean the guy that had us in a war?
@SunshineDB-009 yeah, thats sort of the point of the comment. Its very saddening the bush era is somehow looked upon fondly when we all know how bad it was for the time as well. Us politics is lowering out standard more and more
I've looked back and said that the political criticism from that era still hold up/are relevant, but that's not really nostalgia.
I really don’t understand when people say you don’t learn anything useful in college. Is it degree/program dependent? I got an accounting degree and work in public accounting. Everything I learned in my accounting classes directly applies to my work every single day
Conservatives obsessed with degrees like gender studies and think every degree is woke and useless because of it
Genuine question do you think those 4 years were more or less beneficial to your accounting knowledge vs 4 years on the job experience.
@@TheElitegamer23 Who's going to spend four years training you to do a job when they could just hire someone who already knows how?
@@TheElitegamer23 Think about it not as either-or, but both. On the job, you learn how to do tasks A, B, C, etc., to the company's specifications. This is obviously important. However, you are only getting experience in things the company deems important right now. If you are doing any kind of degree, you are expected to get/have a broad overview of your field beyond what you might need to know in a particular job right now.
As an analogy, think of a doctor and a nurse: A nurse is generally way more experienced in performing specific tasks (e.g., taking a blood sample) as they are doing these over and over, but high-level decisions are made by doctors (e.g., diagnostic, decision which medicaments the patient gets). If you look at the career path of a nurse, you are earning money faster, but the lifetime earnings potential of a doctor is significantly higher.
Generally, people who rely solely on on-the-job training can, in certain situations, earn a good living early on, but their potential is often capped. A person with 5 years of work experience is significantly better than one with 1 year, but how big is the difference between one with 10 vs 20 years?
It is absolutely degree dependent and you made an excellent choice in choosing accounting.
it's not about getting trapped in the US, it's about trapping them at a *company*. H1B's are tied to the sponsoring company, so employees can't just up and quit whenever the emploeyr demands 120 hour "super hardcore" workweeks - which Elon is famous for fwiw.
When Twitter forced everyone out there were reports most people staying were on H1Bs because they had no choice.
That's another reason why they want the healthcare linked to your job.
@@TC-uj6jcdamn I never thought of it like that
The H1B workers, are for Musk, the equivalent having an indentured servant on the payroll, they can't leave, they can't ask for a raise (what are they going to do if denied the raise). They are the equivalent to Hispanic field workers, the H1B worker just gets to work in a nice building without the sun beating down on them.
They can get a different job and apply for a H1B transfer which get approved about 80% of the time though right? Still a decent risk obviously.
imagine if elon musk got a low taper fade
(edit: the support this comment has gotton is MASSIVE i was LOW- key not expecting it to TAPER off like this!)
massive
Imagine if we deported Elon
🎶 a low taperrrrr fadeee 🎶
dude you know what's crazy? it's that elongated musket, like meme- dude it is still massive.
Big if true.
The “not a cult” crowd acting like a cult yet again.
Maybe it’s the christian culture that’s making ametica stupid ?
The lazy labeling crowd applying labels again.
@@Thundersgaming Accusing a label of applying labels. Hypocrisy crowd fails again.
@@mikek9297hahahaha
Why would not blindly following the leader be cult like behavior?
They won, and they already fighting each other? Ya know what... sure *gets popcorn*
Based
The left did the same thing though. Let’s not pretend like a large part of destinies content 3 years ago wasn’t strictly him arguing against unhinged lefties.
@@ungabungacaveman9021 Those far lefties are a very small percentage of the overall political faction, especially IRL
Ppl arguing on Twitter yes it’s Better then the hell that would’ve opened if brainless kamala got in smh ppl wouldn’t even be talking to eachother
Oh shit! It already started? *sits down and offers Junior Mints*
I read from a lot of IT people that the main reason there's so many Indian IT engineers is because in many US companies their IT is lead by a Indian Manager who will often hire their friends from back home, and that most US companies also want this because they're basically indentured servants who will often work harder for much less, plus any possible path to citizenship depends on them keeping that job. It's not that US has a lack of talented American engineers and IT people, its rather just how the industry works. I have no clue how accurate this is, but if that is the case, I do think it would be more beneficial for the country if companies were to prioritize Americans seeking out these jobs.
I was employed by a massive insurance company that used a company called CapGemini, which has almost 200k Indian employees. Almost 80% of our team was comprised of these contract Indians. This is likely what you are referring to, but it is much, much, much larger than one manager from India, it is a contract work strategy.
@@upload638 Makes sense. I personally would be willing to pay more for American workers, but that's just me.
Yup
@@upload638 there are about 500K H1bs in America in total
@@DrelamBro, free market economy..... why are you trying to force an ideology on a company?
@25:00 The reason people are concerned about h1b visa workers and their pay is because they can't really go negotiate higher pay or raise ask for raises. Their visa depends on their job and its sponsorship, if they get "let go" they can get forced to move out of the country. This leads to a power dynamic that makes them extremely attractive to employeers over citizens who have more options for jobs if they can't get the pay they want or are treated terribly.
TLDR: If getting fired means that you have to move back to your country, how do you tell your employer NO to ridiculous hours or ask for fair pay for your work?
Not forever, though. Just until you have your green card, which is a good deal
@jhlasa so you admit that companies knowingly abuse the threat of deportation as a means to make foreigners to work in harsh and sometimes predatory behaviors
@orclord5719 sure, in exchange off very good money and staying in the country
@@jhlasa y'all will suck off companies when they engage in abuse but will claim to be against slavery, for freedom and liberty, etc 😂😂
I’m sure that happens (absolutely at Tesla lol) but people on H1Bs do switch companies all the time
They almost made it to term but they went and aborted themselves. They should be arrested for this.
This is pretty late-term too.
Vivek: We put man on the moon and now Americans just watch tv and party.
Elon: Exactly.
1960s: Uhm… man was put on the moon during the hippies era, during the era of Woodstock.
2020s: American culture produced critically acclaimed Oppenheimer and the new Dune movies which were seen by millions of Americans. Nerd is still in. Science is still hip.
Vivek and Elon are just losers who are very insecure about what losers they are. They could have made a good point, that there aren’t enough native-born Americans to do certain jobs, yet they couldn’t help themselves. They had to put their foot in their mouths.
Dems should take advantage of this. Any chance to make a schism even slightly wider should be taken advantage of
Soviets were great as well in that regard. They did everything first except the moon thing.
actually based elon
How is this a gotcha? Those movies have already been forgotten.
@@EquinoxGateyou gotta be trolling Oppenheimer won like 9 awards
@@EquinoxGate
It isn’t a gotcha. It is an explanation of how Elon and Vivek are wrong in a way that demonstrates they don’t know what they are talking about.
Seethe better
The commenter who said no one can live off 70k in America must live in San Francisco or just comes a rich family
Why SF or a wealthy family, specifically? What does that mean?
@skontheroad cause one place is super expensive and the other is just people who have been well off from parents and are expecting more success than their parents ever did.
I live in a medium sized city that’s starting to really grow. Prices are going up but we aren’t at New York or LA levels yet. I know a single guy who makes 70k who bought a house a few years ago. I have a relative who makes 80k and has a kid who bought a 2000 sq ft house in 2020. I live in a 3 bedroom apartment and it’s under 2k.
70k is very comfortable for normal people in medium or small cities
@@Blackcrowcaw yeah, many towns and small cities, 70k is pretty good. My home town for instance, in Wyoming, 70k is doing well.
Aren't most tech jobs in SF?
"20 seconds ago" im cooked
This word is being used for everything "cooked" it doesn't seem to have a definition.
no, you are locked in
Do you understand what "cooked" means?
You're increasing your aura
Not a cult
College can be a waste of time. It depends on what you are trying to do. There is a reason why virtually every “modern” scientist of note went to college. Newton, Einstein, Bohr, Von Neumann, Maxwell, Fermi, Oppenheimer, Hawking, Crick, Darwin, Mendel, etc. Virtually every scientist of note went to school.
The same holds true for engineering. Just look at… practically anyone in the engineering space. Edison, Bell, Tesla, Musk, Gates, Jobs, Von Karman, Von Neumann, John Holland, von Braun, Sikorsky, Turing, Woz, Linus, Zuck, etc. They virtually all have at least some type of college/university education
back then you had to visit the libraries and people who had the information physically. physical locations are severely outdated for the modern age of information. modern college is the dress code for high paying jobs, not an actual source of information with deep insights. colleges work with overheads so immense, that anything they invent is an accidental side effect, not the product of efficient design. actual modern scientists create/contribute for startups
That’s why we should invest more for career development in high school. Or at least expose kids more to real life careers
Don't forget that little detail of a college degree being a requirement for some 90% of STEM related jobs to say one, and I mean a literal requirement.
You don't get to self appoint as an engineer, or a medic, or an actual researcher (non-stem too). Just in the same way you don't get to self appoint as a lawyer.
But people seem to willingly forget that every now and then.
@@two_number_nines
Referring to today as “back then” is definitely a choice
@@two_number_ninesthe fact that basically 0% of even mathematical contributions come from autodidacts (who should have every resource they need at their disposal), says a lot though.
“There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.” - The Decider Dubya
Learn to talk
@@adrianacosta5189He's literally quoting Bush word for word.
@@adrianacosta5189 Hey Adriana, thanks for reaching out and offering your opinion. It is always helpful to hear from the supporters of the oligarchy. I am strongly looking into more powerful words even as we speak. We'll see how it goes.
@@adrianacosta5189 you're barking up the wrong tree
The first time I heard this quote in real time, I was a little kid and it made me laugh so much how he butchered such a simple saying. I look back at it very fondly now 😂
My hotel company hired someone from Nepal on a visa, and he is one of the best employees I have ever had. He only had a year long visa, but I have told him if he ever wants to come back to the US we will make it happen.
Median household income in the u.s. is about $70,000 per year, so half of the households earn less than that amount. Laura Loomer is really out of touch.
Just because half of the households do earn less than 70,000, doesn't mean they are able to 'live' off of their income. For example, if someone is spending more than they earn and getting further into debt is that really living off of your income? What if they are unable to save for retirement?
@jasonmacfarlund2703 failure to manage your own income isn't indicative of general ability to live off that income. I have a friend who lives off 45k a year comfortably because he lives within his means and is single with no kids.
Nice of destiny to show solidarity with the whos of whoville via a haircut after their Christmas was stolen. Not enough people are talking about it
Yikes. Comedy isn’t for everyone
@@dwaynehart7908 we have a Grinch sympathiser in chat I see
LMFAO on god i was reading it and i was just so lost some people cant be funny no matter how hard they try sometimes.
also buddy you’re talking shit but why are you here if you hate destiny so much you ain’t got no life and nothing better to do other than comment on someone’s video whom you let consume your mind so much you had to write a shitty joke that no one found funny and when someone said something true about your joke you got upset and called him a “grinch sympathizer” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 L
@gabrielamestoy3835 I’m afraid you may have schizophrenia, I have watched and subbed to Destiny since 2019 just FYI. Are you a grinch sympathiser too?
Vivek comments about how we should have went to science fairs or extra math tutoring was tone deaf from an Oligarch child. When unions were broken up, that was from CEOs and Republicans to disarm the working class with a lever to pull to ensure fair wages, working conditions, etc.
Explain this to me Vivek - I grew up in the 90s, once the Oligarch claws were deep into everything. My parents both had to work, multiple jobs. We were latch key kids. Who TF was going to take us to science fairs and additional tutoring?? You can create these pockets of prejudice (culture wars) for people to get lost in but finally Americans are waking up to what the real problem is - Corporate Greed. Bring back 90s culture, where the hate was pointed correctly - at the top. 99% vs 1%. Let’s bring it back
But Chinese and Indian immigrants still do better how?
@lincabe321 Massively subsidized education allowing them to migrate into higher paid positions with little or no debt.
@@DahVoozelthey literally pay the same fees tho. Also what you’re referring to is the citizens. International students get no subsidy and yet perform better than Americans.
@@lincabe321filtered for a) high skill (and pay) labour and/or b) being well-off even before immigrating, at scale of course.
A poor and non-educated Chinese or Indian person somehow needs to cross the Pacific Ocean and not just the Rio Grande or simply be born in the US from the start.
W Bush was considered “stupid” because he would slip up when speaking in public. The southern drawl didn’t help. That and we were used to having a great public speaker as president with Clinton for 8 years.
This was a long time ago, so I can't remember the details. It was my opinion that Bush was an evil prick for his role in the Iraq War. It changed to him being well meaning dummy, who was guided to it by Rumsfeld and Cheney after reading Dirty Wars by Jeremy Scahill.
Nah. He was definitely stupid
And because he was a spoiled cocaine fuel screw up his entire life, then his daddy made him POTUS. He wasn’t that smart.
The problem in tech isn't that people can or can't do a job. The problem is I have three years of experience, but the company wants someone with five. I can easily do the job, but someone in another country could do it slightly better. So I wasted 3 years of my life developing a skill in a framework that doesn't transfer to another job. So I am forced to take a far interior job for much less pay because someone else can do the job slightly better for less money and could never leave their job. This adversely affects me, my wife, and my kids. My kids go to a worse school and have fewer future opportunities because of this. The government shouldn't prioritize what is good for a company over what is good for the people of the country.
yes, this is called competition in free market. What you want is protectionism, which translates to lower quality/higher price products, which eventually translates into damage to the economy. If you are skilled, you will have no problem getting a suitable job, or even move to another area or another country to advance your career, or change your career paths (maybe your chosen framework is obsolete)
@@CosminDuruwhich is why free market capitalism sucks ass. In a true free market capitalist world taken to its logical conclusion, almost the entire U.S. workforce would be employed by cheap laborers who work longer hours.
@@jd2484 that's why you need unions, to fight for your worker rights. Free market is perfectly fine, you just have to contain it with stricter regulations like max. hours or minimum wage. In EU we get 25-30 days annual leave, that's 6 weeks of payed vacation!
@@CosminDuru
>free market is perfectly fine
>you just have to contain it with strict regulations
???
If a free market was perfectly fine, it wouldn't need any regulations. You put in regulations when the free market is not going perfectly fine.
h1b visas are given to people who have 0 experience or are still students
8:00 trapped at the company, not in america, as being an indian who needs sponsorship is like playing musical chairs with 1000 people and 5 chairs
There is an abundance of americans that are qualified for tech jobs, so much so that it is competitive to get a job.
It is insane that people are ACTUALLY falling for Elons propaganda about americans being too dumb to do jobs or lazy. Its obvious he is devaluing americans so he can hire forigners for a lower wage. Its literally manipulation at the most basic level: tear down the victim's self esteem so its easier to get what you want. Now everyone is too busy conversing about american work ethic than how bad an increase of these visas can be.
competitive to get a job = NOT enough qualified candidates. you had that the other way around.
@@jeffreydranken exactly
If they do better job, they should get it. It's that simple.
From Destiny calling Elon an African American to the immediate follow up of “We took this country from the Indians once and we can do it again” was back to back whiplash 31:50
With Vivek (and IT H1Bs) coming to the fore, the switch from "Indians" to "Native Americans" really would seem to prudent at first glance, simply for clarities sake.
But in the current discourse/this video "Native American" is just as ambiguous a term. That could just as well denote a white guy from Mississipi, who's great-grandparents owned a farm, if you know what I mean.
Truly a word salad of labels.
I’m so happy Elon joined MAGA. They will spend so much time arguing with him they will get nothing accomplished 😂
How sad a mentality you have.
i mean it’s kind of our best bet and it’s most likely what’s gonna happen it’s not a sad mentality it’s a very true mentality. And if it’s sad maybe think about trying to make a change instead of sounding like such a debbie downer. Go do something about it.
@@redmatrixxtrump not gstting anything done means less chance he fucks anything up
@@redmatrixx
Why? The slogans that Trump ran on, if turned into policies, will be destructive to the US economy and government. If MAGA is too busy destroying themselves over stupid culture shit, they won’t destroy the economy or government.
@@redmatrixx Them getting nothing accomplished is better because what they want to accomplish is stuff we don't want. Its not about mentality.
BUSH is a rhetorical genius compared to TRUMP.
YES. It really goes to show just how low the bar has been set. Crazy how perspectives change over time. My jaw dropped when he played the Bush clip.
Lol, okay 🤣🤣
Cheney is your new bff
@supernyghts What's so funny? It's literally true. Just go search up some of Bush's and Trump's speeches and compare them side-by-side, and you'll see.
ya know it’s possible to condem someone’s actions yet at the same time praise them for also being able to put their country over their personal gain or whatever they main gain from voting republican. it’s about character but it seems like the republican party lacks integrity, character, and common sense so take what you will of that i don’t care 🤷♂️
Immigrants obviously love their homeland. The food, culture, norms, etc. They left because there weren't opportunities, their lives were in danger, they wanted to explore the world, etc. I bet they still love their homeland. They just understand that they want to live a life that can't be had due to whatever circumstance or they just want to move to America. I don't see why immigrants would hate their homeland.
@@coolcat1530 tbf as an Indian in America, a lot of Indians hate India. Keep in mind this is anecdotal but in a big majority, people dislike or even hate India
Their government sucks. There’s one reason.
because of the homeland circumstances, obviously. if their homeland is a polluted sh!thole, a failed state or a brutal dictatorship, why would you not hate that? People are usually reluctant to relocate from a prosperous stable country, you don't see many german, danish or swiss immigrants, do you? So yes, you are left with loving the food and maybe culture, although these are mostly nationalist propaganda values hardwired into their heads at early ages (childhood education)
@@CosminDurucolonial history exists.
@@lincabe321India has always been dirty
It’s not whether they would feel trapped by H1B visas, it’s the inherent power dynamic that comes with the nature of these visas that allow corporations to do as they please, there are plenty of H1B visa related exploitations, look it up.
Destiny got that 5th element villain haircut
Let him rock it
Underrated movie
I can't believe 'Not Elon' was actually Elon
I am shook
What? He doesn't even sound like Elon
@@RollingCalfok
hes not Elon
Why did he even bother to do this? We can tell it's his voice but for some reason the morons he's talking to can't tell that it's him with an alt? Or do they just know and choose to not acknowledge it? Why are these people so bizarre man wtf lmao.
Every time this dude breaks out paint I get ptsd that he’s going to draw the supply and demand graph for the 18th fucking time.
You know shit is hitting the fan when the warmongering Bush Boy is the voice of reason.
No. That's when you know you have TDS
That would indicate you have TDS
@@harrydicktom8639you are in a cult
TDS, a syndrome where the individual credulously believes everything Donald Trump says and can't form a rational argument for the policies so they just say everyone who disagrees with them is deranged.
Super small anecdote about Mexican manual labor workers. I used to work at home depot and worked there even this year. Of all the people who would come in to get material for their job whether lumber or concrete mix or otherwise, the mexican teams would roll in, fill up their own carts, high tail it out the door after paying, and then immediately fill up their own truck and drive off with no questions asked. It could be 50 fucking bags of 50lb Quikrete and the team will just own that shit and throw it into the truck in 3 minutes as a team or something.
Almost all the other customers were entitled and lazy and wanted us to load it with the forklift or help them load and had all these hoops to jump through comparatively. Not ALL but many, many of the others. It was to the point where it was noticeable and it was actually usually nicer to have a Mexican team because you knew those guys wouldn't bitch, they would just kick ass and get out there to get to the jobsite. Other Latinos could be demanding and whiny too, but not really the Mexican guys. It's like it was their solemn duty in life or something to be the hardest possible worker and get things done fast.
everyone who works on IT or engineering related field knew this day was coming.
No we didn't. The dems and gop are in cohoots regarding giving companies an opportunity to replace American workers for h1b. There is no law that says h1b goes before American workers
Destiny. The standard deviations, at least with a normal distribution, would go as such. One SD in either way would entail 68% of a given population, 95% for 2, and 99.7% at 3. So for IQ, a score of 130 would be exactly 2 standard deviations away. That would be top 2.5%, since that 95% of the rule would also include any individuals with 70 or less IQ. I hope this helps if you ever read this
Saagaar is a tool. Lot of Indians and Asians working in the global West are programmers. You can't program with memorisation. Can't be done. You need analytical skills, abstraction, logic, modelling and so on... You CAN be a programmer while stupid, but you're just doing menial tasks and leeching off other people. Generally in IT you'll have a couple of wizz-kids and nerds, a couple of people that are good workers but have less skills, and around half to 3 quarters are deadweight that leech of the productivity of others. The geeks can and do fix anything, along with the workers they do all the work plus fix the screwups of the rest, which is primarily there to make noise and push down on chairs. The deadweight are very very rarely immigrants. The management almost entirely consists of deadweight.
Management? Pfft, that's sour grapes.
Dude is a coconut... He hates himself.
but its bad for the immigrants and its bad for the native people, only good for companies because the wages of the people goes down when they can import workers from India and treat them like shit knowing they have nowhere else to physically go. This happened in my country, Canada. Their only options are similar low paying job for immigrants, which are intro jobs that were supposed to be offered at a regular wage to the citizens of the country.
From what I hear from my SWE friends, indians are awful workers. I hear a lot of complaining about management as well.
@@Entropy67 H1b Is not what you think it is
One of my cousins graduated from the top university in India in software engineering, he had opportunities to come here, but he stayed there because theirs a huge movement in India to work for Indian companies and stay there to make the country better. A lot of Indian engineers are returning to India
I respect that
This. The top talent of countries like India and China generally DO NOT go to the US. It's the ppl who've not done well in their home country,but have the money to go abroad. So it's like a second chance for them.
The US is essentially taking in rejects from top programs in India and China
The real issue in tech is companies outsourcing remote American jobs to the phillippines and india not the h1bs
But Capitalism right ?
Oh noooo, when the tech billionaire realizes his fans aren't just ironically racist. Prayers for everyone involved.
I wonder what the split is on people who hate immigration in general and people who hate illegal immigration
I here Africans talk up the rise of Africa after the white oppression. People from India want to visit India but never stay , same with the Mexicans I have met
It takes time. At some point those countries might be nice enough to live in. The people with ancestry might want to move there.
@@adrianacosta5189many second gen African immigrants moving back
It Depends I know Indians moving back….
I'm Irish and looking to move to Kenya. There are some things we take for granted in Europe that are much worse in Africa but if you want to become an entrepreneur it's the way to go. Kenya will boom like 1990s Ireland soon.
The fast food worker OT thing is a real thing. You can get OT if you’re a manager but not if you’re a crew member. Managed at 2 different companies when I was younger and worked at 3 total. Phone companies are the same. When you work on the sales floor no OT.
Management is salaried. Crew members are waged. But it also depends on where one works.
I always got OT as an hourly employee...but they weren't letting people who showed up late or sucked at their job have it
Yup, they did that crap in the painters union I was in too. They would not pay you any overtime. Instead they made you work for cash under the table for everything over 40hrs. They would also use you less once you became a journeymen because you were more expensive. They'd have one or two journeymen on a job and the rest were apprentices. Journeymen were always the first to be laid off.
Do these idiots understand that having 2x as many STEM graduates as there are STEM jobs is a meaningless statement? Literally two seconds of thinking should be able to demonstrate why this is a dumb comparison
Pre-election, Musk responded to race riots in the uk with a tweet:
"Civil war is inevitable"
Now he's pro-immigration?
I'm surprised to hear your views on economics. We are miles apart.
1. America was born as a Oligarchy.
2. America is a specific type of oligarchy known as a plutocracy.
3. Plutocracy is a government of by and for the money. It is power best accessed by wealth and power, at the expense of average citizens.
4. Conservative Republicans have almost always been for illegals coming into America, they just want the ability to abuse them once their here. As Governor Reagan made a career out of bringing in illegals to undermine worker wages. Reagan even helped replaced illegals with illegals.
Reagan created the concept of NAFTA, GHW Bush built it and Clinton passed it.
NAFTA like CAFTA and the TTP have no labor standards. During the Clinton administration the inside discussion was that with American labor standards NAFTA could end poverty in Mexico. Then the US Chamber of Congress, Big Banks, and Wall Street started massive infusion of money to the Clinton's and the Democrats. That was the end of the party for the working man.
Instead Clinton began building a fence on our southern border. Then GW Bush made it famous.
Now Trump renegotiated NAFTA, and obviously with his anti illegal immigration stance instituted American and Canadian level labor standards? Nope, Trump kept NAFTA about the same.
Except he called it something different.
Would a capitalist democracatic society with lack of sufficient regulations always devolve into a plutocracy? Seems like a natural consequence of just by market dynamicsZ
That’s the foundation of any civilization. The ppl with money holds power to influence the government and exploit citizens . Now it’s worse with Trump.
there was this argument floating around after the elections that republicans won because they had the lowest barriers to entry. it’s too early to say the strategy has failed but all this should not be taken out of the equation either
The whole "East Asia focuses on rote memorization instead of creativity" almost purely comes from the fact that the largest group of East Asians are obviously the Chinese, and in China it's massively discouraged to be innovative because due to bad patent laws if someone else steals your idea and presents it first you have no real recourse. Which tends to make people keep their head down because they don't want to come up with an idea only for their coworker to get rich off of it while they get nothing, because the society massively incentivizes stealing and bullying your way to the top. Despite being "communists" on paper, it's a very "everyone is in it for themselves" society.
8:45 as a gen-xer it’s genuinely weird to hear dubya sounding intelligent
I agree, seems like he was spot on with what he was saying, now we have Trump Dubya seems like a genius.
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." - George W Bush
I remember thinking "this is the bottom, we can't get a much dumber president then this." Only for Trump to swoop into the scene and make me realize it can always get dumber.
Busch was ”stupid” compared to the standards at the time, but he was objectively well educated and intelligent compared to the population in general
He also misspoke a lot, which is obviously going to be overused as evidence by the media for “stupidity.” Bush grew up in an environment where it was going to be hard for him to be much dumber and less educated than average lol.
Idk why everything has to devolve into antagonism. These are conversations we need to have, i don’t expect everyone to agree on everything
Disgustiny, that might be the worst graph I've seen this year 2:40
Agreed. It’s meaningless 😂
Question for all the trump voters out there. What did you think he meant when he said “Taxes too high, wages too high, we’re not going to be able to compete against the world.” ?
Didnt vote trump but looked into this. I would guess most of his voters didn't see this quote or saw it but didn't believe he said it. He claims he was specifically referring to the desire to raise the minimum wage. The reality is we already can't get low skill manufacturing jobs here even with minimum wage at $7 whatever in most states. I think part of the issue is in order to compete in many industries you have to assembly or manufacturer in lower wage areas. Nike, Apple, Walmart, almost all vehicles, and electronics are creating their products overseas. We as a country have essentially decided we're ok making our phones and cars less expensive using forced/child/slave/and grossly underpaid labor and dangerous working conditions. We can't compete, the only way to bring those jobs back to the US is actually care how these products are made and have a standard. This will never happen as the vast amount of electronics and products we get at artificially lower rates far out weight the American conscious.
@@TheElitegamer23free market. A lot ppl want fascism n government controlled companies without even knowing it.
What happens in Canada is that companies will put up job ads with no intention of filling them. Then they’ll say “we’ve had this position open for works and we can’t find anyone qualified **LIE**”.
And then they’ll say to the government that they need to hire foreign workers (Indians) for a fraction of the cost.
There’s no law that makes private sector hire certain ppl.
I remember Hitchens roasting Bill Maher and his audience for making fun of 'stupid' Bush. But today, even Maher says that Bush looks so much better compared to Trump.
I mean that attitude is what got us here right? Liberals calling wolf with every conservative leader and then the wolf comes and everyone just calls you gay now.
@@spikedmoAfghanistan, Iraq , No Child Left Behind and deregulating to lay the basis for 2007/08 still is pretty "wolfish" (to stay in your image).
Both of those things can be true.
I worked fast food from about 06-2020, and the amount of hours you got was always directly proportional to how good of an employee you were. All the great employees would get scheduled a full 40 hours (but still wouldn't get any kind of benefits, only managers got benefits), and if you weren't getting scheduled 40 hours or had to fight to get hours, it was pretty much exclusively because you were a bad employee and management wanted you to quit so they wouldn't have to pay unemployment when the fired you.
"europeans be like bro we dont even have that"?? i'm sorry let me laugh in guaranteed paid vacation weeks (usually 5), 3 months notices, unions in practically every industry, proper maternity and paternity leave, affordable health care.... you do know that the USA is currently rank 12 on the quality of life index with 1 - 11 being almost exclusively european countries, right?
Not sure if anyone has seen the interview between Trump and some Silicon Valley execs, but he’s actually stated that he’s thought of exactly what Destiny is advocating for in this video; the idea of bringing in the best and brightest migrants from around the world to contribute to American society. He also stated that “if they want to come to the US and get their degree and/or work, why not automatically give them a green card when they graduate?” And this seems to somewhat align with what Vivek and Musk are pushing for right now. Maybe it doesn’t end up happening when all is said and done, but this is a great thing if this truly is the direction they want to take.
August actually cutting dead air from videos again?
Is employee of the year *that* important?
15:20 - Destiny missed the point here. He is saying Indian Americans self orient around minority identity instead of "American" identity, not that they are all social progressives.
As a brown dude from NYC, the political demographics of indian people seems super close to white people. Many many many older generation indian men love trump lol.
True Queens did go kinda red
Also I have seen the political extreme left has been very racist to Indians since they side with Islamists. Moderate left and right are probably the safe spots for them and since Trump pandered to India more than Kamala, the old dudes were likely to vote for them.
@@lincabe321anti wokism, and pitting “model minorities” against other minorities, and against welfare and government spending for social programs, is also a large factor in the conservatism of older Asian immigrant communities in my personal experience. There’s also insanely unmoderated Alex-Jones types I know boomer Asians watch (lots of Falun Gong, Epoch Times like Channels in Chinese for example).
@@pookz3067 I don't like the framing of pitting them against each other as if they're all supposed to be allied in the first place. They are functionally different, that's why we had rooftop koreans.
Well trump certainly doesn't love them.
As someone who has been in IT for almost 20 years, one thing that remains true among the Indian community is the ones that really have the talent will reach down to the ones that don't have the skills and train them up. There is NO gatekeeping on information. They are willing to hire their own and make sure they get the skills needed to advance. Not all of them are superior programmers or IT professionals out the gate. With natural born Americans, there's a ton of gatekeeping on opportunities. You can learn some of these skills outside the office environment but most companies care about degrees and professional experience, and what Indians do allow them to obtain both of those important parameters.
George was “stupid” cos he would trip over his words often. He was also known to be a heavy drinker etc in college. One thing that you could bank on was that he loved his country and would do ANYTHING to protect ALL Americans.
In fact, few people are happily working as an H1B holder. They only consider it a step to become permanent residents and US citizens. Also, it's not easy for unhappy H1B holders to just pack and leave. The majority started working here after college or mid 20s. Overtime, they have built their family with a house and kids here. It's a huge burden to call a quit and leave then.
Partly true. Long time H1B holders have a higher salary and are happy. The new ones start at a lower position with lower salary.
@@lincabe321 They are almost always underpaid, relative to their skills and experience, because of the lack of outside options and dependence on their current company.
@TheHandsomebaby this is categorically false. H1B employers must prove that their employees are being paid at least the prevailing wage rate for their occupation.
@@aktube9084 does that include all the unpaid OT that they probably get forced into?
@killzone866 big claim coming from someone with no more evidence than anecdotes. Firstly, H1B workers are paid salary, not hourly. Secondly, due to the fact an LCA is necessary for petitioning for a H1B worker, and the fact that if there is even one case of a sponsoring employer having previously broken labour laws then the LCA will be denied by the DoL, this is not really a concern for the vast majority of cases. Thirdly, and this is important, H1Bs are portable. This means that, in the off chance labour laws are being broken by an employer, or even if the employee just doesn't like the employer for another reason, that H1B employee is able to transfer their visa to a new employer and beginning working and will maintain legal status AS SOON as the new H1B petition (form I-129) is PENDING and they have terminated employment with the previous employer. This means that so long the new employer has begun the sponsorship process (and its a non frivolous application), the H1B worker can change employers with no issues. The H1B transfer process does not require rentering the lottery either so long as the original H1B was still valid. Further, at the level that most H1B workers are in terms of skills and experience, they won't rly have a hard time finding a new employer willing to sponsor... y'all are really reaching. Learn what ur talking about before sharing Ur opinion on it.
Talking about wages… I worked at my first law office as a paralegal (that required a bachelors degree and paralegal certificate) and I made $18 per hour… mind you it’s a big popular firm in the Bay Area/sacramento… 2 years later and I’m at another job(same position and requirements) and I’m only getting $20 per hour… it’s frustrating out here…
Yeah, bro, I've made more as a line cook with no relevant schooling to that line of work. I was thinking about going back to school, but everyone is making me think that would be a ludicrous thing to do. 😂 Like, sorry, but this is actually insane to me that anyone is putting up with the labor situation here in America. These employers are fleecing people hardcore. There's no way they couldn't have afforded to pay you more. It's completely unacceptable.
@ oh I KNOW she could pay more. This lawyer is super popular in the Bay Area/Sacramento area to where she’s buying out all the ads for basketball games and buildboards. I’ve been to one of her five mansions and have seen her 2 Lamborghinis and 2 teslas. She lives a very luxurious life where all her employees make under $25 per hour (except the other lawyers of course. I’m not sure how much they make)
@@Vivian-Luna honestly ngl you could probably easily get 65k-75K a year if you went an applied to work in a construction company as a project manager does not even matter what your degree is in really most general contractor firms would hire you on the spot simply for having a bachelors.
Your content are always on point, never stop!
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I really miss when American politics had professionalism, ethics and manners. Seeing Bush W speak so eloquently compared to Dump. It's almost mind blowing.
Whats funny is how the US European "West is Best" fan boys never want to count Spain as part of Europe.
They'd count Barcelona, but they're a bunch of pro-labor socialist adjacent people so nah.
Garbage take on software development from somebody who knows nothing about software dev. Sad.
Literally the Elon Musk take... Criticizing trades as a manager/business owner without any concept at all about that trade. Just that "I can hire somebody from country xyz with trade yzx for far cheapear; I am an innovator; I understand everything!🤡"
lmao @ me from before I got ~22 mins into this dogshit video.. The more you listen to Destiny, the more he asks the most basic and fundamental questions; which reveal his opinion is rooted in ignorance.
Just like the "leaders" who sold out my entire generation.
CEO season is in fashion atm, so I dunno about Elon nudging MAGA
I had this thought too
Insulting a base who is known for violence & guns isnt exactly a smart move ~ tensions are high so poking the bear is just a bad idea
@@Sola-Noir222 Trump is a billionaire. They don't care if you're rich so long as you say the right culture war rhetoric.
@@Sola-Noir222 He's a narcissist. He'll always defend what his experience is and what he wants when it suits him. He's a South African immigrant himself, he'll always defend immigration.
Maybe the racists had a point with the ebul immigrants but with Elon Musk haha
"X is the free speech platform," and by "free speech," I mean free speech for me rather than for you.
Why should Americans have to compete against the entire world for work in their own country?
Are you willing to pay the difference?
Free market babyyyy we love that here
That’s one of the side effects of freedom.
Why should Africans have to compete with the rest of the world for the minerals in their own soil?
You want capitalism
This has happened before. Indian programmers aren't better than American programmers. They'll just work more overtime without extra pay.
So better workers? great
XD i think its insane that they had one fall out. And its over. Like one fight and both egos were so hurt.
You don't develop pattern-recognition skills for debating just by being a good physicist. The only way to learn when to zoom out and when to zoom in-so you don't exhaust yourself during a debate-is to actually practice debating. Elon Musk wouldn't risk his "out-of-this-world genius" reputation by going out and debating and potentially messing it up. So, he created Adrian. The end game might be that Elon Musk pays someone to mimic his voice and eventually stages an "in-person meet-up" to "prove" he was never behind the Adrian account.
Good god the content is bad lately
The nice thing about grabbing an immigrant through work visa as an employer is... That immigrant can't just quit, they have no power in the workforce and they are paid much less
Carpet cleaning is real work. And it explains to me certain working humility that comes across in your takes. I did it originally helping my stepfather go out on jobs. If you weren't careful that matador could break your wrists if you didn't know what your doing. It was hard. But it took me to some fun places, when it would be a little motel,we could travel and stay in one of the rooms, carpet cleaning is based.
I personally work 40 hours a week, and make 60k a year and have 3 kids and a wife and don't want for anything.
How do you pay for a place to live in New York with that???
@@savic1984 expecting that you can live in NY is unreasonable.
52:34 this is why iq is not a good measure, as an Indian who gave an iq test when I was younger, and it is definitely changing based on education level and cultural differences. Research into this has also led researchers to conclude iq scores are affected by education and culture
Tbh the whole "indian IQ" thing seems absurd. I found a stat list saying India has a 76 average IQ, but the same list also said Nepal has a 47 IQ average. Which doesnt seem right, considering Nepal is a place where people live. Doesnt seem like there is much backing for any of this.
Generally what Ive heard about IQ is that its hard to compare beteween countries, but that the deviation in IQ from person to person heavily outweights deviation in IQ between nations.
I don’t know why knowledge given about IQ is completely wrong 95% of the time on the Internet.
IQ tests that are highly g-loaded (generally what people want when designing an IQ test) do NOT change significantly with culture and education.
What you’re saying was true many decades ago, when IQ testing started getting going, and we didn’t yet know how to make tests very well yet.
I mean those people could just be living at a very simple level. Small minority of Normal IQ people govern the country and the low IQ masses just do as told.
@Destiny The H-1 Visa people aren't "trapped" in the US, they are "trapped" in that particular job to stay in the US. The implication is there is a different power dynamic for job attrition.
57:40 is legit. I'm in IT and have worked with Indians before. It's gotten better, but this guy's experience has been my own, especially back in the day. There's a lot of "yeah, yeah, yeah," "sure, sure, sure," and , "okay okay, no problem." When they haven't understood the problem or the ask one bit. They WON'T speak up and ask for clarification or more details, everything is "yeah, got it, no problem." Note this does NOT apply to Indian-Americans, they do speak up and even push back when they disagree with decisions or next steps. I will admit this has improved over time though, particularly in the last three years.
Destiny just makes money arguing. He will argue the point of any topic for views and money. He is the drudge or our society.
"Fool me once, shame on- shame on you. Fool me- you can't get fooled again." -The old dumbest quote from a president.
I think the "Ill be right eventually" from Trump on covid wins
luv how tiny is unaware that windows needs to be updated on a regular basis and his defender icon is on high alert from week to week...
My problem with the H1B discourse is that it implies Americans are lazy when companies are trying to do less and less to bring Americans up. There used to be training and now they expect you to know everything about your job better than the company for entry level stuff. And the companies end up calling Americans lazy for it.
Why would it be the responsibility of the companies to bring Americans up?
The responsibility of the companies is to maximise profit. It's the government's job to create incentives to get companies to hire more Americans if that's what you want.
@@lawrencehaynes6408
That's... The Problem
@@lawrencehaynes6408 the the government should do that. or at least provide educational training to these workers.
Earning 60k as starting salary is insane as a Swede
It's insane as an American too?
The difference is that Swedes get a safety net. Americans largely don't have a safety net. They're also massively burdened by student loans. They're rewarded for the increased comparative risk with higher compensation.
Destiny is so out of touch these days lol
Apparently knowing the economics behind immigration is "out of touch" lol. Policy isn't made based on your personal outrage
@@Nikifuj908 Keep pointing at charts buddy and snarking, it won the dems the election right, oh wait.
“I sold it for 52k dollars” bro sold a company for a bit more than the price of a new car lol.
As for 18:10, I think that’s why most people despise immigrants. Taking in top talent has taken away opportunities from locally born people. Yes, they may be less intelligent or less accomplished, but the current system has failed the people who are born American. Immigration is also one of the biggest factors for wealth inequality, the federal government should prioritise giving opportunities to American citizens.
As far as I know, for a business to be able to participate in giving an H1b visa, it has to prove that it has tried to hire people locally for at least a year, and that the position remained unfilled
The economy is not a zero sum game, how do so many Americans of all people not understand this
@@Klamev The economy isn't a zero sum game but everyone is competing for finite resources. Increasing immigration effectively increases supply of labor. If there's not enough good jobs then locals may feel they are unnecessarily competing with more people for lower wages, less favorable working terms and a more competitive recruiting process.
Add in the fact that most cities have a huge housing shortage, leading to rental prices skyrocketing and the conditions are ripe for hating immigration.
The fact that discussing the downsides of high immigration is a no no topic definitely doesn't help either.
If you look at many of the most successful silicon valley companies, many many of them were created by foreign born founders. Without that flux, I'm sorry many of the biggest and strongest new technologies that America owns would not have happened if those people say went to China, Germany, etc instead. Even Elon himself is an example of this... without him Tesla would have existed, as he didn't actually found it, but Tesla twice almost died, and Elon, despite him being a horrendous person now, at that time put every single dime he had to keeping Tesla's doors open for just long enough, that they were incredible lucky timing wise around Christmas of 2007 to get a chance to show Mercedes a prototype, and they had like 10 days or something to get the prototype ready, they bought a mercedes smart car, ripped out the engine, and managed to install a drive system, including axis replaced, etc, all in 10 days, so when the heads of Mercedes dropped by for a quick visit on Elon pretty much begging for them to come by, they did, and they showed them a working smart car with an electric engine, and that was enough for them to immediately get a contract to do the engines for a decent sized order of mercedes cars.
That money was the only thing that stopped them running completely out of money a week later, and Tesla would have been history. Then in 2008 they managed to get a decent sized loan from the auto loans program that Obama setup where Tesla got an interest free loan for about $400,000. Tesla paid it back in less then a year I think where Ford, GM, and others either never paid back any of the tens of billions of dollars they got, Ford i think paid off a decent amount, but it took like a decade or so to do it. But GMC, and the others just basically defaulted on the government loan. And then Space X simply would not exist without Elon frankly. And America would still likely be buying engines from the soviets as they had been for a decade or long at that point.
Same with many other huge companies in Silicon Valley who have been started either by Asians, or by Indian people, most of which come out of the Calcutta institute of Technology, the university in India that tries to be the MIT of India basically, and do succeed in producing insane level graduates who are frankly much smarter then most MIT graduates, and far cheaper.
So yea, sure you could 'hire locally' but then so many industries that America relies on for it's economy would be in other nations now.
I worked under the visa program back in the late 90's, for Sony doing visual effects, and to get the visa I had to get the Director at that time, I wont' say who, but a huge director, to sign a document saying that the movie he was working on could not be created without me. I was one of the few people in the world at the time in my defense who knew the software they were based around, and so it was true that there simple was not local people they could hire. And I paid into many things that I never got back anything from. When I left the US, all that money in taxes i paid into the US system I'll never see a dime in return from. So if anything, America did just fine even by me, someone who never ended up staying, and worked there for 3.5 years. I think there are some companies that abuse the program, and claim they can't find anyone in America, but really just want the cheaper salaries they can pay someone from say India, who when getting half what some other programmer say at Google, or Facebook is getting who is from America, is insanely happy. So they lie that they person can't be replaced by someone in America. That's a bit grey, but again, some of those foreigners apply for their green card through the visa program are greatly helped in that process, and then go on to birth huge American companies, that employ thousands or tens of thousands of American workers in very high paying jobs, selling tech to the world.
Cut out that visa program, and those industries are going to frankly move to other countries. As many of those companies are frankly purely based on the knowledge and skills of the employees, and if you give away that advantage America has, they may never get it back.
I'm no fan of Elon, the guy is a liar, and a fraud. He isn't in favor of 'free speech', and he immediately banned left wing accounts for no reason, or because they started to get popular, or have traction in some political area, so he would just ban those accounts. And of course Republicans wouldn't admit this was going on, but now this week suddenly when Elon bans some maga personanilties, or takes away their blue checks for no reason, suddenly now Elon is 'not for free speech'. The right is incredible hypocritical, and I think they literally can't see anything but from their own perspective, so unless it happens to them, they don't believe it, or have zero sympathy, but as sooon as it is them who the same repression of freedom of speech, or economic barriers, or unfair practices, suddenly they are screaming murder, when the exact same thing has been happening other minorities, or people in the left for decades often, and they refurse to admit there is anything to it. So yea, Elon bought Twitter to buy an election, and to be the biggest right wing troll in the world. So just to be clear, he guy is a horrendous person as far as his world view, and politics. But he somehow has some luck with tech companies. I don't even think he is that bright, but he has managed to surround himself with very smart people, and because he doesnt' know how hard something is, asks people to do the impossible and kill themselves for his benefit. And that seems to have been a successful strategy, along with him pretending to be a progresssive, and want to sell EV's to save the world from climate change, only to turn around and u se the entire fortune he made from progressive buying not only shoddy manufactured vehicles, but also his stock, and then use that fortune to literally spit in their faces, and get Trump re-elected, and push back any hope for climate change action decades likely by the time this admin is through.
So perhaps I am making an argument for not having these h1b tech visas, cause Elon himself has probably don't so much to hurt AMerica that he alone might weight things so much in the negative direction to what he has cost the country. But Maga of course won't see that side, they only care about the racist side/argument regarding these visas, and the fact that so many Indian, or Asian people are coming into the US on these Visas, taking jobs away from 'white caucasion christians', is their entire fear based lunacy...
But honestly, if you ignore the whole Elon robber baron thing, then overall America if they stop the tech visas, are going to very much be sorry in a decade when Silicon valley pretty much relocates to Asia(South Korea, Taiwan, China, Japan), or India, or Europe, or all the above... It's very much going to be shooting yourself in the foot if Americans decide that putting people not as skilled/brilliant into these jobs, gaining in the short term, but handicapping their tech industry compared the rest of the world long term...
Another example would be Jensen Haung, who founded NVidia, imagine if he instead stayed in Taiwan, and managed to form the same company in Taiwan, where it would actually have been closer to the plants that actually make the chips for Nvidia anyway.
And it's no coincidence that Lisa Su, CEO of NVidia, is also Taiwanesse, born there, and moved like Jensen, to the US... So many foreigners made America, historically, and in the present, it really is the core of what has made america, telling the world come to America to make their dreams into reality. If America closes her doors, out of irrational and ignorance, clueless fear, about how economics really works, and that immigrants actually pay more into things like Social Security, Medicare, etc then they take out, and even the most lowly workers, if they are not allowed to work in the US. The entire southern economy in the US will collapse, as the entire core industries, in agriculture, and many other areas, will have literally no one to pick the fruit, collect the vegetables, so many jobs that include farm hands, ranch hands, handy men who work for cheap keeping so many large agricultural, and ranch based properties functioning for cheap enough to allow for Americans to get cheap eggs, milk, beef, cheese, etc etc....
The entire US economy in 5 years would be in a a depression so deep it would basically be as bad or worse then the great depression...
So yea, there is no way this is going to happen....
The truth is there are an abundance of programmers and engineers in America. The simple explanation: elon Musk pays shit, benefits are shit and work hours are shit!
Lmao did Destiny not pay attention politics at all as a kid. George Bush was notoriously stupid.
It’s just that Trump and MAGA have lowered the discourse into the pit of hell.
I remember growing up as a kid and believing the POTUS had to be the smartest, most strategic, balanced person in the world. 😂
Mannn I thought the same thing growing upuntil I was like.... hold up, George Washington who cared so much about liberty and freedom and the right to representation if taxed..... was spending money for years to find his slave Ona who escaped into freedom? 🤔 lmao
so you hate all white people?
@ cared so much he cried chopping down his apple tree
Companies like H1Bs because the people are talented but they also have so much power over them because they basically control their immigration status. Everyone I worked with on an H1B was terrified of speaking up about any mistreatment or ever asking for a raise because they couldn't risk losing their H1B.