Hey, I know you guys are in Canada - do they ship here? Kind'a annoying that they hide anything about where they are, where they ship to, and how much that costs.
@@supremearyato open up to the world and not hide. remember russia got rich during this century. heavily richhh. despite breaking up the ssr they were the richest even one might say. the wealth simply doesnt trickly down nearly as well as in the west. but gorbachev was a good man.
There was no nation anly an empire masquerading as a union . The proplenof the USSR in every nation but Russia wnayednout . He simply let the birds fly and soar into the sky @@supremearya
@@supremearyanot quite true. He was there to reform the USSR. He failed by less than the width of a hair. The march of history is relentless and cruel. If he had succeeded. USSR would still exist. But in a different from.
Not a supporter of communism,but personally Soviet Union supported us when our forces liberated Goa in 1961 and also liberated Bangladesh in 1971.There is a reason why we still maintain close ties with Moscow and Putin
@@yj9032 it wasn't due to capitalism it was due to racism and favoritism by the british goventment and thier policy to keeep indian bussiness near extinct which is not veey capitalist
This is a good overview, but India played both sides if it was in her national interest. A good example is allowing the CIA to operate out of India supporting the Tibetan resistance fighters inside Chinese controlled areas until 1971. In exchange, India got US intelligence about what happened near the Indian border. The CIA operated at the same time out of Pakistan spying against the Soviets. Signing a treaty with the Soviets while drinking tea with CIA agents was the real 1969 style India.
As a sovereign nation, we should not be expected to choose friends and partners. Not choosing a side in the cold War was the most ethical thing India could do.
Russian leaders today must be grateful for the far-sighted wisdom of the Soviet leaders in supporting India fully and making it an ally rather than an enemy, can't say the same for the USA tho. I find US foreign policy just like the US, completely capitalistic, just focused on short-term benefits while ignoring long-term disadvantages.
It can seen even today when India wants to ally with the West against China but the West wants to keep moral policing and lecturing India about democracy ranking and other BS even though India is the largest democracy in the world....
It's mostly because we still truly deeply have not even been contested. We don't really need allies anymore, literally all of them are investments in peace where we shoulder much of the cost and burden. And investment and interdependent trade (outside of the actions of mad men) drive connection and peace- when handled well. Unfortunately in some places the incentives have been broken for hundreds of years so just the twinkle in the eye of some African polity is enough to rev up the engines of Dutch disease.
Hence the only country in the world which talks to Ukraine and Russia. Has an Palestinian Embassy and strong friendship with Israel. Has ties with Iran and Cuba. And USA wants to call us an Ally and we reply back by saying we're good friends. The Master of a multipolar world- Republic of India.
We are only democratic country in region. We rank 41 ( above Poland and many European countries). Imagine being a democratic in a region where we have communist China , islamist dictatorship (Pakistan), Buddhist Nationalist dictatorship ( burma ), t@liban , Nepal and Bhutan ( Theocratic countries) Lanka and Bangladesh ( bankrupt failed states ). We are only major democracy in the region
@@SouledexIndia is not blessed like USA where people come from England and slaughter a whole race and started their civilisation on fresh land. India is the one of the region where human started to live from centuries and has the oldest religion of the world. But for your concerns India population ratio right now is 2.2 that is a declining number.
The initial IIT's of India were set up with USSR & USA support. India on the whole had a good working relationship with both. Until Nixon & Kissinger ie. Kissinger flew into China over the Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, somewhere 1970-71. As more than a million refugees flowed into India, due to the Genocide like activities of the Pakistani Army against East Pakistan then (Bangladesh now), India was forced to confront the "Crimes Against Humanity" so to speak. The defender of Human Rights, the US then decided to move the VII th Fleet, to force India out. This single act, of the USA is till date not forgotten in India. Their focus on Self-Interest above all. It will not be forgotten at least in my Family, I have Bangladeshi roots both sides, Dad & Maternal Uncle fought in all the Wars of 1962, 65 & 71. Dad & Uncle were commissioned in 1957. Dad in the Air Force, Uncle in the Gurkha's (Army). He died in the war of 62. Also, I think Nixon & Kissinger will not be remembered in History. So will Churchill.(responsible of killing 1mn Indians by diverting rice from Bengal, in 1943, creating a famine).
@@dragon-gr3xt lol. read the Wikipedia page of iit Delhi. While reading also contribute some money to Wikipedia. On Jobs in US to IITs, those r paid jobs. Nothing is free. The value made by the employers is huge.
i'd like to think that indo soviet relations worked on a principle of political mutually assured destruction. on one hand india needed the ussr to keep china in check and the ussr couldn't afford the worlds largest democracy to drift towards the west and have another superpower in their pockets. this sentiment evens holds in todays time as well.
Hey David as a Bangladeshi can you make a video on the 1971 Bangladesh liberation war also known as the Indo-Pak war of 71. Its context & how it almost led to nuclear war.
@@MrXperx no but the US task naval force had nuclear weapons loaded ships in the bay of Bengal to threaten India to back down, then a Soviet submarine task force having nukes of their own trailed the task force almost leading to a war. There is a Cognito video on History of Bengal I recommend seeing.
That's an overblown episode of that war, mentioned far too often, and without merit. India was in an actual military alliance with the Soviet Union, signed in 1971. Whilst Pakistan was still being sanctioned by the Americans, which were imposed in 1965, and weren't actually lifted till 1982. Not America, just the American president, there's a difference, the president can deploy his forces wherever he wishes, but he can't act with Congress approval, the president made token actions because at the time Pakistan was helping America mend relations with China. If America really wanted to help Pakistan, they would have started by lifting the sanctions. Not a silly show of flag, which is all it was, nothing more. @@kazinadbiralamadit6905
@@kazinadbiralamadit6905 Complete rubbish. The US never made one threatening gesture towards India. All USN vessels stayed in international waters. Neither did any Soviet vessel make any threatening move against USN ships.
While there was famously agitation for independence, in WW2 India raised the largest volunteer army in history. But there was a quid pro quo, though unwritten. Independence after the war. In 1945 Britain elected a Prime Minister who had believed in Indian independence for 20 years, Clement Attlee. Of course the state of the economy after the war helped push it forward too, that and a landslide in Parliament. It was inevitable and after Britain under Lloyd George reneged on the WW1 promise of making India a self internal governing Dominion, like Canada and Australia etc, overdue morally.
They did want to keep India after ww2. They realized they couldn’t after Indian navy mutiny of 1945 and ina trials. Indian soldiers wanted the British out.
@@yashashgc3488 Maybe but Attlee was committed to Indian independence, since a visit with other MPs, in the mid 1920's. Whatever is claimed now, there was no great war of liberation. The INA was tiny, helping the Japanese, trying to form links with Nazi Germany (look what happened to other groups who made that mistake with Imperial Japan). Compared to the massive volunteer army.
@@yashashgc3488 the aim was to reform Indian society before independence, enabling muslims and hindu's to live in one state and abolish the caste system obviously neither happened.
Nope. The quid-pro-quo is what Brits tell themselves. The original quid-pro-quo was after WW1, which was ignored by the Brits. After WW2 it was pressure from the Americans, Britains war debts and the fact that elements of the Indian Armed forces had started rebelling, that finally got them to leave. Of course, they HAD to ensure partition, so that there would be one sliver of India that wasn't pro-Commie.
Jinnah had a clear vision to be aligned with the west before independence. So even after his death the nation continued with his guidance. This in many ways was part of the British calculus for creating Pakistan. Pakistan was a western garrison state in south asia.
Strange In Pakistan We think British and Americans favoured Dehli🇮🇳 over PAK🇵🇰because of China 🇨🇳 Otherwise English speaking federation Dehli🇮🇳 have no reason to pretend as nation
British had rightfully noticed that Bangla & Dravidian ethnic nations were Communist aligned. Therefore India Pakistan were created as religious ideological nations.
Nehru was always a strong democratic socialist. He made several Public sector units that still act as engines of growth. The government invested heavily in higher education, nuclear and space. Indian independence movement itself was centered around socialism and equality. He moved forward with Mixed economy mantra, which still exists. CPI and CPM are still strong force in Indian democracy, has a strong govt in Kerala, one of the most developed state in India.
Kerala was most developed even in 1947 due to the monarchy investing in, education , health,etc. the communists didn't create Kerala's lead , in fact communists are lowering Kerala's lead compared to other states if you want a accurate assessment of what communist rule does , look into 34 years of continuous communist rule in west Bengal that was de industrialized by CPIM
I agree with Nehru statement. Completely call 🚽🚽on your comment on Present LDF Government of Kerala. They are Modi Supporters , Crony Capitalists , Anarchists , Fascists , Racists , Casteists , Communalists ...... We Keralites were in Good Position not by LDF Government. Its people..
Just a couple of side notes, the 1962 war is the only major war India lost since its Independence. Indira gandhi is an icon who united the opposition and ruling forces of India to become a nuclear power. Thanks to her, India is not pushed around by china and US. indira was assassinated for eliminating khalistani terrorism and her son rajiv was assassinated for putting down separatist tamil militants in srilanka
Hi David, can you please make a video on Argentina under the rule of Juan Peron. That way, you can explain the unique political ideology of Peronism, the cult of personality surrounding Juan Peron and his wife Evita, as well as Juan Peron's economic policies which still affect Argentina to this day. Please accept my request.
Can't you just read some books on the topic yourself? 😂 It's basically what all these history youtubers do - read books and post video format media which summarizes all of the contents of these books regarding a specific topic.
A prime example of why terms like Left and Right wing often don't work well for contexts outside of American politics, India is economically left wing, albeit short of full blown Communism, while so violently culturally conservative that Hindu religious violence is common and often tolerated.
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts What BS is this? Violently conservative? Hindu religious violence? Lmao, what is this? Never heard of Hindu religious violence. Sorry buddy but you're terribly and horribly misinformed or are just slandering Hindus who themselves are one of the most liberal and tolerant religious groups unlike Muslims and Christians who still hate and carry out violence against others. You're dead wrong on Indian Hindus...
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5tsthere is a difference between congress and BJP. Congress support fake secularism and socialist economy and congress is always ruled by stupid nehru+fake gandhi family. BJP is a hindutva party with corny capitalism and it is not ruled by a single family like congress
India and the Soviet Union had cooperative and friendly relations. During the Cold War (1947-1991), India did not choose sides between the Capitalist Bloc and the Communist Bloc and was a leading country of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM). Relations ended in 1991 with the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
My knowledge of modern Indian history is sadly lacking, but thanks to TH-camrs like yourselves, I'm slowly learning more. Thank you very much for continuing to make these videos that teach me so much! God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
21:52 Indira was never leading a coalition govt. She had a full majority govt. She was assassinated because of a completely different issue related to internal conflict in the Punjab province.
While he was factually incorrect in term of that time. For a short time Indira Gandhi did actually lead a minority government from 1969 to 1971 after the split of the Congress party in 1969. Just a small fact you are correct however on the rest.
Watching this on 09 July 2024, when the now Indian PM Narendra Modi is in Moscow for a 2 day visit, against all the meltdown in Western Media as they criticize the Russian aggression on Ukraine. I think someday, another such episode will analyse, why the Indian PM made this visit, but these are some reasons; 1) The re-emergence of Chinese belligerency. (How they are involved in cartography warfare in Himalayas, S.China sea and Far East Russia. 2)The 'Information warfare' and 'interference in general elections' of the leftist in Western democracies on India, who want a strong but 'compliant' India minus the more nationalistic government of the right wing BJP. (This require mutual hedging of India and Russia, with the Russians already being demonised) 3) India's view of Russia as an alternative source of energy (conventional/nuclear) and route of trade via the North-South Transportation Corridor. 4) India's understanding that pushing Russia on global sanctions further will only make them fall into Chinese camp, which can be used by China to make critical progress in their military hardware programs, something the USA is blind to. In short, India maintains its core interest with all the pulls and pressures.
"Collapsed into civil war"? 1971 was a sickening array of torture and ethnic violence. Be more honest with your terminology; tens of thousands of Bangladeshi survivors will inform you that this wasn't some collapse; a Bangladeshi (East Pakistan) candidate won the Pakistan election and the West military killed him. Im very disappointed with your scripting and whitewashing (heh) of a truly horrendous and malinformed tragedy.
@@tomriley5790 Ottomans were fighting a "Civil War" in armenia in the 1910s. Germany was fighting a Civil War in the 1940s. Serbia was fighting a Civil War in the 1990s. Israel is fighting a Civil war currently.
Nehru was little bit inclined towards socialism. Thats why he wanted india to have good relation with china so he trusted chinese blindly. Indian was back stabbed by Chinese. So, india lost war to China and china occupied some of its territory. Nehru was so inclined towards china that he didn't use indian airforce against china.
@SunnyYadav-ny5kf That and also the fact that China chose to attack during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, knowing that both the US and USSR were preoccupied. Political indecisiveness, combined with an outdated military led to defeat. After this military modernisation occurred in time for the 1965 Indo-Pakistan War.
@@8000jk nehru completely ignored china. Even in 1960 then some minister wrote a report to nehru that we might have to fight 2 front war from Pakistan and China but nehru completely ignored that report. He focused all military on pakistan border.
Although the Indo-Soviet marriage of convenience came to an end 35 years ago, its consequences still reverberate today. I have noticed that a large number of Indians, probably even the majority, support the blatant Russian invasion of Ukraine, while the Indian government has adopted an attitude similar to that of the invasions of Hungary, Czechoslovakia or Afghanistan...
The state of Russia is not the same as the USSR of the 1970s. It's not so powerful. On the other hand, China is the new superpower. India is slowly falling into the American sphere. It also has alliances with Israel, though its stance remains pro Palestine at the UN.
@@prakharchaudhary9797china is shell of what is showing with the one child policy damge. India on the other hand is growing stronger than ever and is projected to become a super power in 15 years
Yes we had close relationship with USSR unless it's was china India war in which ussr supported China and stopped arms shipments to India that's where USA helped us. So what this tell us is no one is no one's friend it's geo poltics when India did something against west USSR supported it when India did something against East USA supported it . We were never the friend of ussr or USA it was just a partnership. Same as today Russia sold weapons to Pakistan and India both same as west so no one is our friend . It's time Indians should realise it as soon as better.✌️
Communism and Socialism are 2 different things. Socialism has failed time and again in India and elsewhere and communism can never become mainstream due to extreme ethnolinguistic, religious and cultural diversity.
@@phabove7 I agree on the religious and ethnic parts, but it is not proper to say socialism failed. Because you see too much of anything fails. Pure socialism as outlined in Marxism-Leninism after decades of growth would become too stable and so stagnant and then any attempt to save the system will inevitably lead to decline and collapse as shown that how Gorbachev failed and Yeltsin failed harder with that transition to capitalism. Pure capitalism like in the early decades of industrial revolution led to terrible atrocities being committed, like slavery but institutionalized with no exceptions, no racism because everyone suffers equally just to make a family rich, which eventually became one of the causes of the famous 1848 revolts of Europe. If you can get a mix of both like how Bernie Sanders proposes or a milder version of Josip Broz Tito's ideology, then you can achieve sustainable growth with manageable levels of inequality and poverty. Btw, I don't support socialism. I'm centre-left, but not left.
After China became a Communist country in 1949 by the direct help of USSR, India should have become a Communist country with the help of both USSR n China.
Indian army isnt really a match for any military which is nearly its size. It can only overwhelm small countries like Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka or Maldives. 😀 Indian military is run by Race supremacists and Racial hierarchy dogmas and is fated to eventually implode.
@TheColdWarTv Why did you state "When the PRC decimated the Indian army" at 14:06 That was harsh. That's 0% diplomacy. A historian, such as you, should know how to be diplomatic, politically correct etc.
14:05-14:12 Oh, we heard you. Doubling down on the incorrect word doesn't make it more correct. But I'll just keep changing my likes to dislikes when i hear it, and making a comment like this as long as you as you continue to do it, so as long as it's still fun for you, I'll keep "engaging with the content," or whatever. The word you're looking for is "annihilated", btw. Again.
@@Grogueman oh, the guy knows that. He made a special aside a few videos back to talk about this "modern" usage as opposed to the Roman definition, because we were bitching about it. And, basically, I'm of the opinion that the "modern" usage (meaning the _opposite_ of decimate, killing off 9/10 instead of 1/10) is not the "evolution" of a word, it's a bunch of people using it incorrectly because they think it sounds cool. I don't get upset when a 3rd grader says it. But for somebody who ostensibly operates as a historian, it is disappointing. He chose this hill.
13:00 Actually, you're right in so many cases. Nehruji was a naive person Still, to this day in Parliament we occasionally discuss this His taken decisions Some policies helped some policies put pressure to this day.
As an American I've never understood my country's friendship with Pakistan. It has never brought us anything but grief. I think that the government has at last, finally realized that Pakistan has never been a true friend and we've finally established a firm friendship with India, the way it always should've been.
Are you talking about CIRUS reactor ? In 1974, we used plutonium from PURNIMA reactor for the nuclear tests. Plutonium used from CIRUS reactor was much less compared to the PURNIMA reactor.
The self back patting in the comments is just amusing, even embarrassing. I recall Indians criticizing Nehru and his descendants for aligning with Russia. All seems to have been forgotten.
1. Indira Gandhi had an affair with Soviet agent 2. She like her father regarded Communism as a force of good and endorsed the "rule by force" 3. that is why she changed the constitution adding words- "Socialist Secular" in preamble 4. she stifled the opposition with declaration of "National Emergency" 5. like communists in Russia crackdown on Orthodox Christianity, Nehru- Gandhis were more than happy to scheme against Hinduism. 6. many academia and media top positions were gifted to socialists to distort and disregard India's ancient legacy 7. India was a 3rd world socialist slum before economic reforms started in 1991-92
She had an affair according to declassified Soviet documents she was also payed very large sums of bribes by the said agent and she did not even return the briefcases even though she was requested multiple times! @@SagnikSanyal88
It is shameful that India has such brainless people spreading propaganda against Indira who improved India's security and stood up bravely against superpowers bravely.
@@timkincade9763 that's Your misunderstanding thought. "Any Socio-Political Concept which consider Society as Political Element , Rather than Individual (by or to) or Establishment (by or to) , which aims at beneficial of Society , Is Socialism. America was Democratic , Before blacks were free from slavery. But in Socialism , There can't exist Slavery. Because its Beneficial/Discriminatory to/against Establishment/group. There can be Inequality in Democracy. But In SOCIALISM , Democracy is Inbuilt. That's Socialism. That's India Long Live Sovereign Socialist Secular Democratic Republic of India 🇮🇳
@@_A.t.g educated people listen those time 1961 war all r support china.after this war 1971 war again same situation all world 🌎 are against us those time USSR Save us. USSR SOVIET USE 6 TIME'S VETO POWER to save us . No country use VETO POWER to save other countries 6 time
@@_A.t.g ur more educated person see my comments what's I say? I say USSR SOVIET UNION is a symbol of trust.They use VETO POWER 6 time favour india.its a world record in UN . Wait wait they gave us steel plant,iron factory 🏭 for India economy booster.Now we r king of Steel. Next listen educated person 😄 1971 war simple. In this world which country use 6 TIME'S VETO POWER to save .6 TIME'S VETO POWER save on Kashmir issue which other countries helps us ?
I don't think her assassination was because of political considerations. The khalistani insurgency was going on. There was the golden temple 'incident' and the way it was handled. A d despite this she had Sikh bodyguards. Which was stupid.
For the love of your god, do not gulp on microphone. I know you're trying to sell a product, but those types of noises are unprofessional for this or any medium.
Russia and the Soviet Union are two completely different entities. I say this because Russia never had a friendship treaty with India nor ever did anything altruistic for India but many believe wrongly so.
Yes and no, througout it's history the Soviet Union oscilated between whether it wanted to be a "big happy family" or a Russian empire... and Russia is still doing that now...
there many things Russia has done for us including things continued from the Soviet era here's some:- in the 90s, the US attempted to stop Russia from giving cryogenic engines that would eventually be used India's GSLV rockets. in the 80s, the Soviets leased a SSGN to India and its nuclear reactors and the experience using it helped India build its 1st own SSBN and complete its nuclear triad. long before the 2005 US India civil nuclear deal that partly undid the scientific isolation the US itself had imposed on India in 1974 , the Soviets were sending nuclear fuel and heavy water to help India build most of the nuclear reactors that exists today in India after US denied GPS access to India during the 1999 Kargil war , Russia gave access to the GLONASS constellation until India's own GNSS system was capable enough for weapons guidance. while US and UK put weapons export ban on India in 1965 that lasted till 2005, Russia was jointly developing or producting weapons with India like brahmos cruise missile to the point that today most of the components of brahmos is manufactured in India.
I don't why it's not talked about much but Nehru was the greatest statesman to ever emerge from the global south other than Lee Kuan of course.. The charm and the charisma he carried himself with was mind boggling.. When granted independence. The immediately allied himself with African leaders that wanted freedom for their countries and accepted a large number of African freedom fighters to come and study in India through scholarship and whatnot.
Interestingly, America supports Communists and their political allies like Nehru Gandhi Family Congress, Aam Aadmi Party etc in India while giving lectures & sermons on Communism & Russia.
@@rishavkumar1250 you really are living inside a cave. I live in Kazan and whichever Russian you ask about their top 3 friends,the answers are Belarus China and India
It is important to understand that fue an increasing cultural and migrant exchange india is the closest to america as it has ever been.push comes to shove and america goes to war withe axis (iran,pakistan,china,russia,north korea) we will supportthe usa. Most indians see america as an freind and russia as a ally of convenience.
India is still behaving like an ally of Russias though - refusing to sanction Russia (and providing a conduit for materials) actually prohibiting supplies to Ukraine.
@@tomriley5790 Has USA supported India in any war or even a confrontation for India to now be aiding the USA in it's proxy war that too against a reliable partner like Russia ?? Leave support in a war, USA even today is still giving refuge to Sikh separatists who want to divide India. Search for Gurpatwant Singh Pannu case for a start. Remember today India is the 3rd largest economy and is rising rapidly even further while USA is in a persistent decline. Still USA is not ready to give up on it's nefarious acts against India
@@indiafirst3676 They do not conduct nefarious actions against India. i am am indian too. as long as the sepratist movement is peaceful than we have no right to ask them to arrest them. and lime russia is reliable. they sell us hsit military equipment knowingly defective. they/ have swindled us in the sale of the vikramaditya.the us on the other hand simply allows free speech. unless they conduct acts of violence it is perfectly legal to be a member of a sepratist movement. i don't support it but actions anaot be taken under international law. ontop of that russia is conducting a genocidal war
I haven't watched the video but I hope you mention, when America attempted to attack India by sending nuclear warships to the bay of bengal. US wanted to kill a young democracy by protecting a Pakistani dictatorship proved why India needed the Soviet unions military help. The soviets chased the US Navy all the way from the bay of bengal to the Indian ocean and then outside it. This began Russia's long history of protecting democracy and India and Americas attempts at destabilising it.
Nehru is one of the most clueless leaders of all time. For a guy well read and well travelled, it astounds me that he adopted Soviet economic model. He is supposedly a genius yet after visiting both Russia and America, he came out thinking soviets had a better system.
@@johnsunization central planning, state ownership of most industries, massive bureaucracy is what Nehru adapted. Yes, individuals retained the property rights and there was no collectivisation unlike Soviet Union. Should I thank Nehru for that?
It’s actually unfair to use the word ‘clueless’. You should think how it was in 47’. At that time, we gained independence from an ultra capitalist Britain and our country had so much inequality in all aspects. Introducing capitalism could have created monopolies from foreign entities and decimated the local economy. In short, it could have been similar to what the east India company was doing. So, strict government oversight over all sectors particularly important ones was important as I see it. Also, many of Nehru era institutions like IITs, ISRO, BARC, PSUs and several others are still standing today, achieving tremendously. However, I digress. Indira should probably have pivoted to the west in her time as the liberalization which we did in the 90s could have been much potent if it was done in the 70s or 80s. But, sitting in 24’ in India, I can say that we have not done too bad.
@@sriganesh5787 Britain wasn’t “ultra capitalist”. It is stupid not to adopt an economic theory because you hated those who practiced it. It’s like you sit in darkness because you don’t like the inventor. Of course Nehru started iits. If someone is the prime minister for 16 years, he would have achieved something. He got the macro economy wrong. He had the right intentions but he was stupid not to recognise that capitalism is brilliant. Indira was a different breed. She had wrong intentions. She should have had her head on a spike and she did.
@@Thecaptainblackadder Ah, I see you are one of those people who are masters in hindsight bias. Let me ask you something, can you name a few countries that emerged from colonial rule and is more developed than India? Don’t include city states.
That because Most of Indian army readiness & planning was along that time pakistan ( current pakistan & current bangladesh) & indian leaders consider china as freind there was slogan " Hindi chini bhai bhai " china launch surprise attack just like in 2019. India china border is along himalayas at that time there was minimum road connectivity along side border areas plus in this conflict no air force & navy is involved because India don't want to lose it's air force aircrafts because that might make India more weak & vulnerable against pakistan aswell That's why India want their relation with USSR so that USSR can put pressure on china & India can focus on pakistan actually 1965 pakistan again attached India . That was very difficult time for India.
There was no decimation. That is exaggeration. In fact, Chinese suffered way more heavy casualties than the Indian Army. Even to this day, the Chinese haven't released their actual casualty figures of 1962 War unlike India which released its figures in 1965. Chinese use to attack waves aka their massed infantry squad attack tactics, which resulted in heavy casualties for PLA. They won some posts in Ladakh-Aksai Chin but failed to achieve an over-all breakthrough. They were successful in Western NEFA and reached the outskirts of Tezpur in Assam but failed in Easteen NEFA where Indian Army held them and inflicted heavy casualties on PLA in the bloody battle of Walong(October-November 1962)...
@@RR-pc7yv Why deny this? 1962 was a humiliation. Which resulted in sacking of a lot of top echelon of army officers. The heavy casualties and loss of territory was a wakeup call for the army to reform. Dont deny history, otherwise we will be bound to repeat it.
@@soham6649 Am not denying anything but the devil is in detail. It wasn't a push over for PLA and its invasion. 1962 was a humiliation, a political one. Nehru was the one who suffered the most in that. Militarily, the ordinary soldiers did their best in those circumstances and situations of the war. The army leadership was poor and this was the case in NEFA only. Otherwise, Indian Army did quite well in Ladakh front. The loss of territory wasn't much except a few posts and some KMs in territory in Aksai Chin unless if you also believe in the mythology and fake narrative of we having Aksai Chin in our control since day 1 after 1947. That was never the case. PLA suffered way more losses and casualties than the Indian Army. Even to this day, they haven't released their exact casualty figures. As they're never and have never been honest and transparent about their casualties and losses. I'm not denying the history but putting it in context and stating hard facts about the military aspect of the event. That's all. I'm just stating what is on record...
@@soham6649 Am not denying anything but the devil is in detail. It wasn't a push over for PLA and its invasion. 1962 was a humiliation, a political one. Nehru was the one who suffered the most in that. Militarily, the ordinary soldiers did their best in those circumstances and situations of the war. The army leadership was poor and this was the case in NEFA only. Otherwise, Indian Army did quite well in Ladakh front. The loss of territory wasn't much except a few posts and some KMs in territory in Aksai Chin unless if you also believe in the mythology and fake narrative of we having Aksai Chin in our control since day 1 after 1947. That was never the case. PLA suffered way more losses and casualties than the Indian Army. Even to this day, they haven't released their exact casualty figures. As they're never and have never been honest and transparent about their casualties and losses. I'm not denying the history but putting it in context and stating hard facts about the military aspect of the event. That's all. I'm just stating what is on record...
How many Indians get killed by White supremacists in USA? How many people of India face racism and violence from ethnic Russian White Nationalists in Russia??
I don't think Indian diaspora in Russia are that significant to contest and take part in election. Most of them expatriate s and medical students.@@timkincade9763
@timkincade9763 It's because of the immigration. Indian immigration to Russia is harder because of the language barriers, whereas Indians can understand English better
Not being thankless, but as an Indian, allying with Soviets was 1 of our biggest mistakes. India wasted its crucial economic years 1947-91 doing socialism, when we could've allied with the Americans! Our pro-market leader (Patel) died in 1950 & Socialists (Nehru & his family) ran the country till 1991! This was also the time when all East Asian countries prospered - we had an exploding population, & an open market would have done wonders to our economy. Now we have a below replacement level TFR, & demographic dividend will be there for just 15 more years. We'll become old, before becoming rich!
@@tamberlame27 There's not a single pro-Soviet country that became prosperous while it was allied with USSR. There was no guarantee that being a US ally could result in prosperity, but there was still a chance, if we had adopted pro-Market reforms. eg: Western Europe, Japan, HK, Taiwan, Singapore, 6 GCC countries, Israel.
@@JaiD0427 I don't disagree that capitalism is much better system than socialism, but our foreign policy wasn't the reason we picked socialism. You are taking a correlation and marking it as causation. We were socialist because our leaders thought that was the way to go.
What if socialism won? (Not saying socialism is good or bad) Nobody can see the future. Also, then, nobody had much incentive to take India on their side except USSR.
A Russian sub "chasing away the USS Enterprise" is truely an Indian fantasy, there was more power in Task Force 74 than India or the Soviet Union had in that area. But it was not there to fight it was there to observe the Soviet naval forces known to be there. Both Britain and the US employed nuclear submarines in the Task Force. Both TF74 and the Soviets peacefully left the area in early 1972 when the hostilities drew to a close.
@@RaviKiran-uq8np Ultimately the Cuban Missile Crisis reached a mutual agreement on placing missiles on their borders. Russia removed the missiles from Cuba, the US from Turkey. It didn't really matter that much as Sub-Launched ICBMs had been introduced by the US in 1958. The USSR did not match this capability until 1964. Though Soviet subs were horrendously poor designs as shown in the K-19 incident.
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Hey, I know you guys are in Canada - do they ship here? Kind'a annoying that they hide anything about where they are, where they ship to, and how much that costs.
When Nehru visited Moscow and gave a lecture in Moscow University, there was a young student named Mikhail Gorbachev
And he got inspired to break the Nation apart.
@@supremearyato open up to the world and not hide. remember russia got rich during this century. heavily richhh. despite breaking up the ssr they were the richest even one might say. the wealth simply doesnt trickly down nearly as well as in the west. but gorbachev was a good man.
@@supremearyato be fair it was really more Yeltsin and the leaders of the Ukrainian SSR and Byelorussian SSR.
There was no nation anly an empire masquerading as a union . The proplenof the USSR in every nation but Russia wnayednout . He simply let the birds fly and soar into the sky @@supremearya
@@supremearyanot quite true.
He was there to reform the USSR. He failed by less than the width of a hair.
The march of history is relentless and cruel. If he had succeeded. USSR would still exist. But in a different from.
Not a supporter of communism,but personally Soviet Union supported us when our forces liberated Goa in 1961 and also liberated Bangladesh in 1971.There is a reason why we still maintain close ties with Moscow and Putin
100 million people died in india under British raj due to capitalist famines. 😂
@@yj9032 due to following socialism from 1947,India was a underdeveloped country till 1991
@@captain4595 but there was no mass starvation after independence
@@yj9032 it wasn't due to capitalism it was due to racism and favoritism by the british goventment and thier policy to keeep indian bussiness near extinct which is not veey capitalist
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Millions more would have died if some communist like Stalin or Mao had taken power in India
My Dad told me about when Gorbachev visited. People all over Delhi were so excited and everyone watched it on tv
love from india ocupied Kaluchistan
@@BrunoDias1234😁... fight for freedom
@@BrunoDias1234kaluchistan? 😅
Ok edgelord@@BrunoDias1234
@@BrunoDias1234 your ammis kaalu or what ??
This is a good overview, but India played both sides if it was in her national interest. A good example is allowing the CIA to operate out of India supporting the Tibetan resistance fighters inside Chinese controlled areas until 1971. In exchange, India got US intelligence about what happened near the Indian border. The CIA operated at the same time out of Pakistan spying against the Soviets. Signing a treaty with the Soviets while drinking tea with CIA agents was the real 1969 style India.
Then USA tried to stop India's nuclear program, we all know how great of a friend US is.
A lot of spying 😅
But both USA and USSR Never poked each other for a full scale war 😅😅😅
Hilarious
India still does that, they still have a good relationship with Russia, despite current events.
As a sovereign nation, we should not be expected to choose friends and partners. Not choosing a side in the cold War was the most ethical thing India could do.
That's why Indira Gandhi is so respected. No body in any of the political camps dared to touch her legacy
Russian leaders today must be grateful for the far-sighted wisdom of the Soviet leaders in supporting India fully and making it an ally rather than an enemy, can't say the same for the USA tho. I find US foreign policy just like the US, completely capitalistic, just focused on short-term benefits while ignoring long-term disadvantages.
It can seen even today when India wants to ally with the West against China but the West wants to keep moral policing and lecturing India about democracy ranking and other BS even though India is the largest democracy in the world....
True
It's mostly because we still truly deeply have not even been contested. We don't really need allies anymore, literally all of them are investments in peace where we shoulder much of the cost and burden.
And investment and interdependent trade (outside of the actions of mad men) drive connection and peace- when handled well. Unfortunately in some places the incentives have been broken for hundreds of years so just the twinkle in the eye of some African polity is enough to rev up the engines of Dutch disease.
Russia did just that by invading Ukraine Georgia Chechnya etc
Hence the only country in the world which talks to Ukraine and Russia. Has an Palestinian Embassy and strong friendship with Israel. Has ties with Iran and Cuba. And USA wants to call us an Ally and we reply back by saying we're good friends. The Master of a multipolar world- Republic of India.
Why the hell is your username Robert Clive bruh??
Clive was a good guy.Got rid of an evil ruler.Donated a lot to Hindu temples.@@aniketshukla3824
We are only democratic country in region.
We rank 41 ( above Poland and many European countries).
Imagine being a democratic in a region where we have communist China , islamist dictatorship (Pakistan), Buddhist Nationalist dictatorship ( burma ), t@liban ,
Nepal and Bhutan ( Theocratic countries)
Lanka and Bangladesh ( bankrupt failed states ).
We are only major democracy in the region
Best of luck keeping it that way, honestly!
- from an American also dealing with a concerning rise in populism
@@SouledexIndia is not blessed like USA where people come from England and slaughter a whole race and started their civilisation on fresh land. India is the one of the region where human started to live from centuries and has the oldest religion of the world. But for your concerns India population ratio right now is 2.2 that is a declining number.
The initial IIT's of India were set up with USSR & USA support. India on the whole had a good working relationship with both.
Until Nixon & Kissinger ie.
Kissinger flew into China over the Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, somewhere 1970-71.
As more than a million refugees flowed into India, due to the Genocide like activities of the Pakistani Army against East Pakistan then (Bangladesh now), India was forced to confront the "Crimes Against Humanity" so to speak.
The defender of Human Rights, the US then decided to move the VII th Fleet, to force India out.
This single act, of the USA is till date not forgotten in India. Their focus on Self-Interest above all.
It will not be forgotten at least in my Family, I have Bangladeshi roots both sides, Dad & Maternal Uncle fought in all the Wars of 1962, 65 & 71. Dad & Uncle were commissioned in 1957. Dad in the Air Force, Uncle in the Gurkha's (Army). He died in the war of 62.
Also, I think Nixon & Kissinger will not be remembered in History. So will Churchill.(responsible of killing 1mn Indians by diverting rice from Bengal, in 1943, creating a famine).
Lol usa never helped India in establishing iit.
@@dragon-gr3xt lol
@@dabasisdutta what lol Nehru established iit and usa hires Engineers from there.
@@dragon-gr3xt lol. read the Wikipedia page of iit Delhi. While reading also contribute some money to Wikipedia.
On Jobs in US to IITs, those r paid jobs. Nothing is free. The value made by the employers is huge.
@@dabasisdutta you mean collaboration 🤣🤣 those are nothing just for namesake.
Thank you for bringing this topic up of India in view of the cold war.
i'd like to think that indo soviet relations worked on a principle of political mutually assured destruction. on one hand india needed the ussr to keep china in check and the ussr couldn't afford the worlds largest democracy to drift towards the west and have another superpower in their pockets. this sentiment evens holds in todays time as well.
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Hey David as a Bangladeshi can you make a video on the 1971 Bangladesh liberation war also known as the Indo-Pak war of 71. Its context & how it almost led to nuclear war.
It didn't lead to a nuclear war. Neither Pakistan nor India had nukes then.
@@MrXperx no but the US task naval force had nuclear weapons loaded ships in the bay of Bengal to threaten India to back down, then a Soviet submarine task force having nukes of their own trailed the task force almost leading to a war. There is a Cognito video on History of Bengal I recommend seeing.
That's an overblown episode of that war, mentioned far too often, and without merit.
India was in an actual military alliance with the Soviet Union, signed in 1971.
Whilst Pakistan was still being sanctioned by the Americans, which were imposed in 1965, and weren't actually lifted till 1982.
Not America, just the American president, there's a difference, the president can deploy his forces wherever he wishes, but he can't act with Congress approval, the president made token actions because at the time Pakistan was helping America mend relations with China.
If America really wanted to help Pakistan, they would have started by lifting the sanctions. Not a silly show of flag, which is all it was, nothing more.
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@@kazinadbiralamadit6905 Complete rubbish. The US never made one threatening gesture towards India. All USN vessels stayed in international waters. Neither did any Soviet vessel make any threatening move against USN ships.
@@kazinadbiralamadit6905 you are correct. I thought you meant between India and Pakistan.
It was a wonderful introducing video about the Indian- USSR relationship during the Cold War.
While there was famously agitation for independence, in WW2 India raised the largest volunteer army in history. But there was a quid pro quo, though unwritten. Independence after the war.
In 1945 Britain elected a Prime Minister who had believed in Indian independence for 20 years, Clement Attlee.
Of course the state of the economy after the war helped push it forward too, that and a landslide in Parliament.
It was inevitable and after Britain under Lloyd George reneged on the WW1 promise of making India a self internal governing Dominion, like Canada and Australia etc, overdue morally.
They did want to keep India after ww2. They realized they couldn’t after Indian navy mutiny of 1945 and ina trials. Indian soldiers wanted the British out.
@@yashashgc3488 kuchh bhi!!!
@@yashashgc3488 Maybe but Attlee was committed to Indian independence, since a visit with other MPs, in the mid 1920's.
Whatever is claimed now, there was no great war of liberation.
The INA was tiny, helping the Japanese, trying to form links with Nazi Germany (look what happened to other groups who made that mistake with Imperial Japan). Compared to the massive volunteer army.
@@yashashgc3488 the aim was to reform Indian society before independence, enabling muslims and hindu's to live in one state and abolish the caste system obviously neither happened.
Nope. The quid-pro-quo is what Brits tell themselves. The original quid-pro-quo was after WW1, which was ignored by the Brits. After WW2 it was pressure from the Americans, Britains war debts and the fact that elements of the Indian Armed forces had started rebelling, that finally got them to leave.
Of course, they HAD to ensure partition, so that there would be one sliver of India that wasn't pro-Commie.
Thank you for covering this topic!
Thanks, David.
Jinnah had a clear vision to be aligned with the west before independence. So even after his death the nation continued with his guidance. This in many ways was part of the British calculus for creating Pakistan. Pakistan was a western garrison state in south asia.
Strange
In Pakistan
We think British and Americans favoured Dehli🇮🇳 over PAK🇵🇰because of China 🇨🇳
Otherwise English speaking federation Dehli🇮🇳 have no reason to pretend as nation
@@usmanqureshi08 India and Soviet union had problems with China. The west was supporting China and Pakistan as a count balance to the Soviets.
@@usmanqureshi08india was only favored post 2000s it was atleast 50 years after its independece unlike Pakistan which is still in western block
British had rightfully noticed that Bangla & Dravidian ethnic nations were Communist aligned. Therefore India Pakistan were created as religious ideological nations.
@@nikhilhembrom8952it's not favoured till this date. The US and India are equals in their engagement. Pakistan was and is a vassal of the US.
Always interesting channel
Yes it is
Nehru was always a strong democratic socialist. He made several Public sector units that still act as engines of growth. The government invested heavily in higher education, nuclear and space. Indian independence movement itself was centered around socialism and equality. He moved forward with Mixed economy mantra, which still exists.
CPI and CPM are still strong force in Indian democracy, has a strong govt in Kerala, one of the most developed state in India.
Kerala was most developed even in 1947 due to the monarchy investing in, education , health,etc.
the communists didn't create Kerala's lead , in fact communists are lowering Kerala's lead compared to other states
if you want a accurate assessment of what communist rule does , look into 34 years of continuous communist rule in west Bengal that was de industrialized by CPIM
That's why most of Keralites go to gulf countries or African countries for employment opportunities.
I agree with Nehru statement.
Completely call 🚽🚽on your comment on Present LDF Government of Kerala. They are Modi Supporters , Crony Capitalists , Anarchists , Fascists , Racists , Casteists , Communalists ......
We Keralites were in Good Position not by LDF Government. Its people..
And communists destroyed bengal And now Kerala is bankrupt😂😂😂
Nehru made us poorer
Just a couple of side notes, the 1962 war is the only major war India lost since its Independence. Indira gandhi is an icon who united the opposition and ruling forces of India to become a nuclear power. Thanks to her, India is not pushed around by china and US. indira was assassinated for eliminating khalistani terrorism and her son rajiv was assassinated for putting down separatist tamil militants in srilanka
A video about Soviet Israel relations would be cool! Thanks
Yeah
I am also looking for that type of video
Thanks for making the this information rich content on this topic.
Are you thinking about talking about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and the Turkish revolutions?
Since he died in 1938, long before the Cold War started, I doubt it.
its no wonder some people call it the Indo-Soviet bromance
Never heard that before lol
@piyushsharan406it was a one sided affair
Yeah or you can say socio bromancce 😅
Hi David, can you please make a video on Argentina under the rule of Juan Peron. That way, you can explain the unique political ideology of Peronism, the cult of personality surrounding Juan Peron and his wife Evita, as well as Juan Peron's economic policies which still affect Argentina to this day. Please accept my request.
Can't you just read some books on the topic yourself? 😂
It's basically what all these history youtubers do - read books and post video format media which summarizes all of the contents of these books regarding a specific topic.
That's a good recommendation.
@@esteebangus I want David to cover the topic that I requested so that he can explain it not to me but to his other subscribers.
Peron was the best leader Argentina ever had.
India’s extreme overregulation of their private sector would make Bernie Sanders look like Milton Friedman.
A prime example of why terms like Left and Right wing often don't work well for contexts outside of American politics, India is economically left wing, albeit short of full blown Communism, while so violently culturally conservative that Hindu religious violence is common and often tolerated.
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts What BS is this? Violently conservative? Hindu religious violence?
Lmao, what is this? Never heard of Hindu religious violence. Sorry buddy but you're terribly and horribly misinformed or are just slandering Hindus who themselves are one of the most liberal and tolerant religious groups unlike Muslims and Christians who still hate and carry out violence against others. You're dead wrong on Indian Hindus...
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5tsthere is a difference between congress and BJP. Congress support fake secularism and socialist economy and congress is always ruled by stupid nehru+fake gandhi family. BJP is a hindutva party with corny capitalism and it is not ruled by a single family like congress
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts : abdul, stop playing victim card !.. terrorist should not allowed anywhere !.
Meanwhile, there is extreme crony capitalism in India. A few giant conglomerates get to do what they want in India.
India and the Soviet Union had cooperative and friendly relations. During the Cold War (1947-1991), India did not choose sides between the Capitalist Bloc and the Communist Bloc and was a leading country of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM). Relations ended in 1991 with the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
My knowledge of modern Indian history is sadly lacking, but thanks to TH-camrs like yourselves, I'm slowly learning more. Thank you very much for continuing to make these videos that teach me so much!
God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
But be sure to fact check about information which you may have some doubt.
@@varun2250reasonable advice, fact checking from multiple sources is vital.
It's a garbage channel to learn about Indian history and politics. They're dead wrong on many facts...
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts I agree. It's always good to double check.
@@RR-pc7yv awww paw paw ko gussa a gaya ... garbage channel because they said the truth which little andhbhakt didn't like
21:52 Indira was never leading a coalition govt. She had a full majority govt. She was assassinated because of a completely different issue related to internal conflict in the Punjab province.
While he was factually incorrect in term of that time. For a short time Indira Gandhi did actually lead a minority government from 1969 to 1971 after the split of the Congress party in 1969. Just a small fact you are correct however on the rest.
@@justsomeguy1695 Yeah, you're right.
Really great video. As an Indian I'm amazed that you covered very minute details.
Ty for this video
They are close to this day. Even back in the day.
Nikita Kruschev wanted to grab a sandwich at that New Delhi he had heard about…
Watching this on 09 July 2024, when the now Indian PM Narendra Modi is in Moscow for a 2 day visit, against all the meltdown in Western Media as they criticize the Russian aggression on Ukraine.
I think someday, another such episode will analyse, why the Indian PM made this visit, but these are some reasons;
1) The re-emergence of Chinese belligerency. (How they are involved in cartography warfare in Himalayas, S.China sea and Far East Russia.
2)The 'Information warfare' and 'interference in general elections' of the leftist in Western democracies on India, who want a strong but 'compliant' India minus the more nationalistic government of the right wing BJP. (This require mutual hedging of India and Russia, with the Russians already being demonised)
3) India's view of Russia as an alternative source of energy (conventional/nuclear) and route of trade via the North-South Transportation Corridor.
4) India's understanding that pushing Russia on global sanctions further will only make them fall into Chinese camp, which can be used by China to make critical progress in their military hardware programs, something the USA is blind to.
In short, India maintains its core interest with all the pulls and pressures.
Things are so same and so different now..... No more Chinese agression will be tolerated
There were many incorrect references but overall facts were correct
"Collapsed into civil war"? 1971 was a sickening array of torture and ethnic violence. Be more honest with your terminology; tens of thousands of Bangladeshi survivors will inform you that this wasn't some collapse; a Bangladeshi (East Pakistan) candidate won the Pakistan election and the West military killed him. Im very disappointed with your scripting and whitewashing (heh) of a truly horrendous and malinformed tragedy.
That sounds like a start of a civil war to me....
US and UK were arming Pakistan for the genocide, don't expect Western media to give holistic and objective assessment
@@tomriley5790massacres don't count as civil war.
@@tomriley5790 Ottomans were fighting a "Civil War" in armenia in the 1910s. Germany was fighting a Civil War in the 1940s. Serbia was fighting a Civil War in the 1990s. Israel is fighting a Civil war currently.
@@soham6649 Germany never fought a civil war in the 1940s. in fact, Germany never had a civil war.
Thanks to Rarebird . Is it available in India .
Finally, an episode worthy of my Beeing, This shall be epic !
It would be interesting to hear about the india-china war in more detail, I haven't heard about this war before.
Nehru was little bit inclined towards socialism. Thats why he wanted india to have good relation with china so he trusted chinese blindly. Indian was back stabbed by Chinese. So, india lost war to China and china occupied some of its territory. Nehru was so inclined towards china that he didn't use indian airforce against china.
@SunnyYadav-ny5kf That and also the fact that China chose to attack during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, knowing that both the US and USSR were preoccupied. Political indecisiveness, combined with an outdated military led to defeat. After this military modernisation occurred in time for the 1965 Indo-Pakistan War.
@@8000jk nehru completely ignored china. Even in 1960 then some minister wrote a report to nehru that we might have to fight 2 front war from Pakistan and China but nehru completely ignored that report. He focused all military on pakistan border.
Although the Indo-Soviet marriage of convenience came to an end 35 years ago, its consequences still reverberate today. I have noticed that a large number of Indians, probably even the majority, support the blatant Russian invasion of Ukraine, while the Indian government has adopted an attitude similar to that of the invasions of Hungary, Czechoslovakia or Afghanistan...
The state of Russia is not the same as the USSR of the 1970s. It's not so powerful. On the other hand, China is the new superpower. India is slowly falling into the American sphere. It also has alliances with Israel, though its stance remains pro Palestine at the UN.
@@prakharchaudhary9797china is shell of what is showing with the one child policy damge. India on the other hand is growing stronger than ever and is projected to become a super power in 15 years
You don't have that much Sympathy over Palestinians 🤧
@@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190 laude ka superpower with an abysmal education and Healthcare system
Not to mention that India is still essentially a large Soviet block economy.
A video on india adopting dirgism another of socialism would be good. France adopted similar economic system
Yuri bezmenov was stationed there
Another great video about a topic that is kind of overlooked. Thank you!
India always plays both sides, which is smart, this is not a diss at all.
Yes we had close relationship with USSR unless it's was china India war in which ussr supported China and stopped arms shipments to India that's where USA helped us. So what this tell us is no one is no one's friend it's geo poltics when India did something against west USSR supported it when India did something against East USA supported it . We were never the friend of ussr or USA it was just a partnership. Same as today Russia sold weapons to Pakistan and India both same as west so no one is our friend . It's time Indians should realise it as soon as better.✌️
Ussr never supported china.
It seems like communism was expanding all through the 70s, if Russia had been able to convert India to communism that would have been a big deal.
We India , is Still a Socialist State . In a Way More/True Socialist State than USSR.
@@Tricolour1947it's a crony socialist state ... big buisnessmen close to the ruling party gets all contracts and licenses
Communism and Socialism are 2 different things.
Socialism has failed time and again in India and elsewhere and communism can never become mainstream due to extreme ethnolinguistic, religious and cultural diversity.
@@phabove7 I agree on the religious and ethnic parts, but it is not proper to say socialism failed. Because you see too much of anything fails. Pure socialism as outlined in Marxism-Leninism after decades of growth would become too stable and so stagnant and then any attempt to save the system will inevitably lead to decline and collapse as shown that how Gorbachev failed and Yeltsin failed harder with that transition to capitalism. Pure capitalism like in the early decades of industrial revolution led to terrible atrocities being committed, like slavery but institutionalized with no exceptions, no racism because everyone suffers equally just to make a family rich, which eventually became one of the causes of the famous 1848 revolts of Europe. If you can get a mix of both like how Bernie Sanders proposes or a milder version of Josip Broz Tito's ideology, then you can achieve sustainable growth with manageable levels of inequality and poverty.
Btw, I don't support socialism. I'm centre-left, but not left.
After China became a Communist country in 1949 by the direct help of USSR, India should have become a Communist country with the help of both USSR n China.
"yes you heard me, when the Indian military was completely decimated by the Chinese" (paraphrase) 😂
Indian army isnt really a match for any military which is nearly its size. It can only overwhelm small countries like Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka or Maldives. 😀 Indian military is run by Race supremacists and Racial hierarchy dogmas and is fated to eventually implode.
Nice to see
Indra never ran coalation goverment she has atleast 351 seats in parliament
I thought the war between China and India happened in 1962. Not 1959. Might need minor notation of that. Other than that I liked the vidoe :)
Listen again: David said there were skirmishes in 1959, with the war in 1962.
Also, some ceasefire violations during the Indo-Pak War of 1965. The Sikkim Conflict of 1967 and Somdorong Chu Valley Conflict of 1987...
From European perspective these relations are not so well known. So thank you very much
@TheColdWarTv Why did you state "When the PRC decimated the Indian army" at 14:06
That was harsh.
That's 0% diplomacy.
A historian, such as you, should know how to be diplomatic, politically correct etc.
14:05-14:12 Oh, we heard you.
Doubling down on the incorrect word doesn't make it more correct.
But I'll just keep changing my likes to dislikes when i hear it, and making a comment like this as long as you as you continue to do it, so as long as it's still fun for you, I'll keep "engaging with the content," or whatever.
The word you're looking for is "annihilated", btw. Again.
@@Grogueman His facts are fine. This is about the word "decimate", and the author's insistence on misusing it in almost every video.
@@Grogueman oh, the guy knows that. He made a special aside a few videos back to talk about this "modern" usage as opposed to the Roman definition, because we were bitching about it.
And, basically, I'm of the opinion that the "modern" usage (meaning the _opposite_ of decimate, killing off 9/10 instead of 1/10) is not the "evolution" of a word, it's a bunch of people using it incorrectly because they think it sounds cool.
I don't get upset when a 3rd grader says it. But for somebody who ostensibly operates as a historian, it is disappointing.
He chose this hill.
13:00 Actually, you're right in so many cases. Nehruji was a naive person Still, to this day in Parliament we occasionally discuss this His taken decisions Some policies helped some policies put pressure to this day.
Above deadly honour?
As an American I've never understood my country's friendship with Pakistan. It has never brought us anything but grief. I think that the government has at last, finally realized that Pakistan has never been a true friend and we've finally established a firm friendship with India, the way it always should've been.
and fact that bin laden was in pakistan
Your government is repeating the same mistakes.
India had developed a plutonium weapon using a nuclear reactor gifted to them by Canada in1954.
Are you talking about CIRUS reactor ? In 1974, we used plutonium from PURNIMA reactor for the nuclear tests. Plutonium used from CIRUS reactor was much less compared to the PURNIMA reactor.
India Russia 🇷🇺 good friend always
The self back patting in the comments is just amusing, even embarrassing. I recall Indians criticizing Nehru and his descendants for aligning with Russia. All seems to have been forgotten.
1. Indira Gandhi had an affair with Soviet agent
2. She like her father regarded Communism as a force of good and endorsed the "rule by force"
3. that is why she changed the constitution adding words- "Socialist Secular" in preamble
4. she stifled the opposition with declaration of "National Emergency"
5. like communists in Russia crackdown on Orthodox Christianity, Nehru- Gandhis were more than happy to scheme against Hinduism.
6. many academia and media top positions were gifted to socialists to distort and disregard India's ancient legacy
7. India was a 3rd world socialist slum before economic reforms started in 1991-92
Indira didn't have any affair with any soviet spy !!!! Where did you get that information from Whatsapp university?
When you learn history from WhatsApp in 2024.
She had an affair according to declassified Soviet documents she was also payed very large sums of bribes by the said agent and she did not even return the briefcases even though she was requested multiple times! @@SagnikSanyal88
It is shameful that India has such brainless people spreading propaganda against Indira who improved India's security and stood up bravely against superpowers bravely.
Where did you dig out all these facts, straight from your arse??
Long Live Sovereign Socialist Secular Democratic Republic of India 🇮🇳
India isn't socialist its the world's largest democracy. Democracy and socialism isn't the same form of government
@@timkincade9763 that's Your misunderstanding thought.
"Any Socio-Political Concept which consider Society as Political Element , Rather than Individual (by or to) or Establishment (by or to) , which aims at beneficial of Society , Is Socialism.
America was Democratic , Before blacks were free from slavery. But in Socialism , There can't exist Slavery. Because its Beneficial/Discriminatory to/against Establishment/group.
There can be Inequality in Democracy.
But In SOCIALISM , Democracy is Inbuilt.
That's Socialism.
That's India
Long Live Sovereign Socialist Secular Democratic Republic of India 🇮🇳
Socialism to India means inclusivity of color and religion, when the Western world is still dealing with racial divisions.@@timkincade9763
@@timkincade9763 socialism has nothing to do with economy.
Socialism is about Social Structure of Society.
Soviet union is a simbol of trust.india know very well.we never forget those helps
....then you should educate yourself on how they betrayed us in indo china war.
Nobody is anybody's friend.
@@_A.t.g educated people listen those time 1961 war all r support china.after this war 1971 war again same situation all world 🌎 are against us those time USSR Save us.
USSR SOVIET USE 6 TIME'S VETO POWER to save us .
No country use VETO POWER to save other countries 6 time
@@_A.t.g u think 💬 u are more educated 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
U don't know the history of India.😂😂😂😂
@@_A.t.g ur more educated person see my comments what's I say? I say USSR SOVIET UNION is a symbol of trust.They use VETO POWER 6 time favour india.its a world record in UN . Wait wait they gave us steel plant,iron factory 🏭 for India economy booster.Now we r king of Steel.
Next listen educated person 😄 1971 war simple.
In this world which country use 6 TIME'S VETO POWER to save .6 TIME'S VETO POWER save on Kashmir issue which other countries helps us ?
Wrong, Soviet Union is symbolic for dictatorship, surpressing of your own people, ignoring freedom of justice, etc etc
Shastri was allegedly unalived by poi$on since his body appeared darker when it came back.
Nuclear Gandhi mentioned!!!
Poorly presented
Soviet Union was a "pilgrimage" more than a neighbouring country to Pandit Nehru.
*INDIA WAS WEAK BACK THEN. NOW ITS A DIFFERENT STORY* ✌✌✌🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Long Live Sovereign Socialist Secular Democratic Republic of India 🇮🇳
@@Tricolour1947socialist?when? 😁... India interested in mixed economy and liberalization
@@major2707 socialism has nothing to do with economy.
Socialism is about Social Structure of Society.
@@Tricolour1947 nope,actually socialism means state control of economy.
@@mihirshetye4624 May be according to Modi Whatsapp University for Uneducated People.
Not in My Society.
we love russia but we loved soviet union more.....🥹🥹🥹🥹
I don't think her assassination was because of political considerations. The khalistani insurgency was going on. There was the golden temple 'incident' and the way it was handled. A d despite this she had Sikh bodyguards. Which was stupid.
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Ultra visionary socialism 😱
For the love of your god, do not gulp on microphone. I know you're trying to sell a product, but those types of noises are unprofessional for this or any medium.
Superpower saar
Russia and the Soviet Union are two completely different entities.
I say this because Russia never had a friendship treaty with India nor ever did anything altruistic for India but many believe wrongly so.
Yes and no, througout it's history the Soviet Union oscilated between whether it wanted to be a "big happy family" or a Russian empire... and Russia is still doing that now...
Wrong SU and Russia are different sides of the same coin.
@@mojewjewjew4420 no. These countries conduct geopolitics entirely different from one another.
@@theawesomeman9821 Nope,Russia continues the ties it already had during soviet period like India,China,Hungary,Syria,Africa regions,etc.
there many things Russia has done for us including things continued from the Soviet era
here's some:-
in the 90s, the US attempted to stop Russia from giving cryogenic engines that would eventually be used India's GSLV rockets.
in the 80s, the Soviets leased a SSGN to India and its nuclear reactors and the experience using it helped India build its 1st own SSBN and complete its nuclear triad.
long before the 2005 US India civil nuclear deal that partly undid the scientific isolation the US itself had imposed on India in 1974 , the Soviets were sending nuclear fuel and heavy water to help India build most of the nuclear reactors that exists today in India
after US denied GPS access to India during the 1999 Kargil war , Russia gave access to the GLONASS constellation until India's own GNSS system was capable enough for weapons guidance.
while US and UK put weapons export ban on India in 1965 that lasted till 2005, Russia was jointly developing or producting weapons with India like brahmos cruise missile to the point that today most of the components of brahmos is manufactured in India.
Dont drink Px coffee. Drink tea. Same everything what is says for Px.
Now Britishers are getting rewards from Pakistanis for their support 😂😂.
Nehru was a powerhouse of a pm. Such an intelligent mind is sorely missed during times as such.
Lol... Nehru willingly gave away UNSC seat to China and his blind belief in Indo-Sino friendship cost India the 1962 War
What is your opinion about Nehruvian socialism 😊
I don't why it's not talked about much but Nehru was the greatest statesman to ever emerge from the global south other than Lee Kuan of course.. The charm and the charisma he carried himself with was mind boggling.. When granted independence.
The immediately allied himself with African leaders that wanted freedom for their countries and accepted a large number of African freedom fighters to come and study in India through scholarship and whatnot.
Not so! Muhammad Ali Jinnah was the greatest statesman ever from the south.
Nehru doesn't even play in the same league as Ataturk (the GOAT) and LKY.
nehru was a dunce par excellence
Every prediction nehru did at his time is true @@kc4276
@@darkgalaxy5548That pshypath criminal Buffon , who called direct action day lol!
Soviet union did not help us in indo china
Usa did
21:52 Indira Gandhi never led a coalition !
Interestingly, America supports Communists and their political allies like Nehru Gandhi Family Congress, Aam Aadmi Party etc in India while giving lectures & sermons on Communism & Russia.
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Russia doesn't see us in that way
@@rishavkumar1250 you really are living inside a cave. I live in Kazan and whichever Russian you ask about their top 3 friends,the answers are Belarus China and India
@@matty7628 But Russians also like Serbia
India is a democracy today solely because of Nehru ❤
😂 It was never a one man job.
@@yj9032 wtf lol.
Nope
It is important to understand that fue an increasing cultural and migrant exchange india is the closest to america as it has ever been.push comes to shove and america goes to war withe axis (iran,pakistan,china,russia,north korea) we will supportthe usa. Most indians see america as an freind and russia as a ally of convenience.
India is still behaving like an ally of Russias though - refusing to sanction Russia (and providing a conduit for materials) actually prohibiting supplies to Ukraine.
It's opposite many people don't trust US
China owns USA
@@tomriley5790 Has USA supported India in any war or even a confrontation for India to now be aiding the USA in it's proxy war that too against a reliable partner like Russia ?? Leave support in a war, USA even today is still giving refuge to Sikh separatists who want to divide India. Search for Gurpatwant Singh Pannu case for a start. Remember today India is the 3rd largest economy and is rising rapidly even further while USA is in a persistent decline. Still USA is not ready to give up on it's nefarious acts against India
@@indiafirst3676 They do not conduct nefarious actions against India. i am am indian too. as long as the sepratist movement is peaceful than we have no right to ask them to arrest them. and lime russia is reliable. they sell us hsit military equipment knowingly defective. they/ have swindled us in the sale of the vikramaditya.the us on the other hand simply allows free speech. unless they conduct acts of violence it is perfectly legal to be a member of a sepratist movement. i don't support it but actions anaot be taken under international law. ontop of that russia is conducting a genocidal war
I haven't watched the video but I hope you mention, when America attempted to attack India by sending nuclear warships to the bay of bengal. US wanted to kill a young democracy by protecting a Pakistani dictatorship proved why India needed the Soviet unions military help. The soviets chased the US Navy all the way from the bay of bengal to the Indian ocean and then outside it. This began Russia's long history of protecting democracy and India and Americas attempts at destabilising it.
turn the anoying backgroung music OFF
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Nehru is one of the most clueless leaders of all time. For a guy well read and well travelled, it astounds me that he adopted Soviet economic model. He is supposedly a genius yet after visiting both Russia and America, he came out thinking soviets had a better system.
We adopted a hybrid system
@@johnsunization central planning, state ownership of most industries, massive bureaucracy is what Nehru adapted.
Yes, individuals retained the property rights and there was no collectivisation unlike Soviet Union. Should I thank Nehru for that?
It’s actually unfair to use the word ‘clueless’. You should think how it was in 47’. At that time, we gained independence from an ultra capitalist Britain and our country had so much inequality in all aspects. Introducing capitalism could have created monopolies from foreign entities and decimated the local economy. In short, it could have been similar to what the east India company was doing. So, strict government oversight over all sectors particularly important ones was important as I see it. Also, many of Nehru era institutions like IITs, ISRO, BARC, PSUs and several others are still standing today, achieving tremendously. However, I digress. Indira should probably have pivoted to the west in her time as the liberalization which we did in the 90s could have been much potent if it was done in the 70s or 80s. But, sitting in 24’ in India, I can say that we have not done too bad.
@@sriganesh5787 Britain wasn’t “ultra capitalist”. It is stupid not to adopt an economic theory because you hated those who practiced it. It’s like you sit in darkness because you don’t like the inventor.
Of course Nehru started iits. If someone is the prime minister for 16 years, he would have achieved something. He got the macro economy wrong. He had the right intentions but he was stupid not to recognise that capitalism is brilliant.
Indira was a different breed. She had wrong intentions. She should have had her head on a spike and she did.
@@Thecaptainblackadder Ah, I see you are one of those people who are masters in hindsight bias. Let me ask you something, can you name a few countries that emerged from colonial rule and is more developed than India? Don’t include city states.
Unlike other western channels this channel showed a bit realistic relations between russia and india
China decimated India's army in 1962? I would have thought the Chinese could inflict a lot more than 10% casualties. ;)
That because Most of Indian army readiness & planning was along that time pakistan ( current pakistan & current bangladesh) & indian leaders consider china as freind there was slogan " Hindi chini bhai bhai " china launch surprise attack just like in 2019.
India china border is along himalayas at that time there was minimum road connectivity along side border areas plus in this conflict no air force & navy is involved because India don't want to lose it's air force aircrafts because that might make India more weak & vulnerable against pakistan aswell
That's why India want their relation with USSR so that USSR can put pressure on china & India can focus on pakistan actually 1965 pakistan again attached India .
That was very difficult time for India.
There was no decimation. That is exaggeration. In fact, Chinese suffered way more heavy casualties than the Indian Army. Even to this day, the Chinese haven't released their actual casualty figures of 1962 War unlike India which released its figures in 1965. Chinese use to attack waves aka their massed infantry squad attack tactics, which resulted in heavy casualties for PLA. They won some posts in Ladakh-Aksai Chin but failed to achieve an over-all breakthrough.
They were successful in Western NEFA and reached the outskirts of Tezpur in Assam but failed in Easteen NEFA where Indian Army held them and inflicted heavy casualties on PLA in the bloody battle of Walong(October-November 1962)...
@@RR-pc7yv Why deny this? 1962 was a humiliation. Which resulted in sacking of a lot of top echelon of army officers. The heavy casualties and loss of territory was a wakeup call for the army to reform. Dont deny history, otherwise we will be bound to repeat it.
@@soham6649 Am not denying anything but the devil is in detail. It wasn't a push over for PLA and its invasion. 1962 was a humiliation, a political one. Nehru was the one who suffered the most in that. Militarily, the ordinary soldiers did their best in those circumstances and situations of the war. The army leadership was poor and this was the case in NEFA only. Otherwise, Indian Army did quite well in Ladakh front.
The loss of territory wasn't much except a few posts and some KMs in territory in Aksai Chin unless if you also believe in the mythology and fake narrative of we having Aksai Chin in our control since day 1 after 1947. That was never the case.
PLA suffered way more losses and casualties than the Indian Army. Even to this day, they haven't released their exact casualty figures. As they're never and have never been honest and transparent about their casualties and losses.
I'm not denying the history but putting it in context and stating hard facts about the military aspect of the event. That's all. I'm just stating what is on record...
@@soham6649 Am not denying anything but the devil is in detail. It wasn't a push over for PLA and its invasion. 1962 was a humiliation, a political one. Nehru was the one who suffered the most in that. Militarily, the ordinary soldiers did their best in those circumstances and situations of the war. The army leadership was poor and this was the case in NEFA only. Otherwise, Indian Army did quite well in Ladakh front.
The loss of territory wasn't much except a few posts and some KMs in territory in Aksai Chin unless if you also believe in the mythology and fake narrative of we having Aksai Chin in our control since day 1 after 1947. That was never the case.
PLA suffered way more losses and casualties than the Indian Army. Even to this day, they haven't released their exact casualty figures. As they're never and have never been honest and transparent about their casualties and losses.
I'm not denying the history but putting it in context and stating hard facts about the military aspect of the event. That's all. I'm just stating what is on record...
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How many people of India decent are elected officials in Russia? How many people of India decent are members of the US government .
Decent 🤔
How many Indians get killed by White supremacists in USA? How many people of India face racism and violence from ethnic Russian White Nationalists in Russia??
@@Tricolour1947 Indian blood line
I don't think Indian diaspora in Russia are that significant to contest and take part in election. Most of them expatriate s and medical students.@@timkincade9763
@timkincade9763 It's because of the immigration. Indian immigration to Russia is harder because of the language barriers, whereas Indians can understand English better
Read tsukihime
Titos non aligned movement
Not being thankless, but as an Indian, allying with Soviets was 1 of our biggest mistakes. India wasted its crucial economic years 1947-91 doing socialism, when we could've allied with the Americans! Our pro-market leader (Patel) died in 1950 & Socialists (Nehru & his family) ran the country till 1991!
This was also the time when all East Asian countries prospered - we had an exploding population, & an open market would have done wonders to our economy.
Now we have a below replacement level TFR, & demographic dividend will be there for just 15 more years.
We'll become old, before becoming rich!
Our foriegn policy did not affect our economic decisions. Our leaders were ideological commited to Socialism.
@@tamberlame27 There's not a single pro-Soviet country that became prosperous while it was allied with USSR. There was no guarantee that being a US ally could result in prosperity, but there was still a chance, if we had adopted pro-Market reforms.
eg: Western Europe, Japan, HK, Taiwan, Singapore, 6 GCC countries, Israel.
@@JaiD0427 I don't disagree that capitalism is much better system than socialism, but our foreign policy wasn't the reason we picked socialism. You are taking a correlation and marking it as causation. We were socialist because our leaders thought that was the way to go.
What if socialism won? (Not saying socialism is good or bad) Nobody can see the future. Also, then, nobody had much incentive to take India on their side except USSR.
@@johnsunization - No country can become prosperous using socialism! To generate capital, capitalism is needed.
A Russian sub "chasing away the USS Enterprise" is truely an Indian fantasy, there was more power in Task Force 74 than India or the Soviet Union had in that area. But it was not there to fight it was there to observe the Soviet naval forces known to be there. Both Britain and the US employed nuclear submarines in the Task Force. Both TF74 and the Soviets peacefully left the area in early 1972 when the hostilities drew to a close.
Lol Sure .Then russia deploying missiles during the cuban crisis was just to prevent future aggression by usa on cuba.
The deployment of Soviet subs insured the US couldn't intervene without an all out nuclear war. Giving India a free hand against Pakistan.
Yes send a an aircraft carrier group to 'observe'. Lol.
Replace Russia with Soviet
@@RaviKiran-uq8np Ultimately the Cuban Missile Crisis reached a mutual agreement on placing missiles on their borders. Russia removed the missiles from Cuba, the US from Turkey. It didn't really matter that much as Sub-Launched ICBMs had been introduced by the US in 1958. The USSR did not match this capability until 1964. Though Soviet subs were horrendously poor designs as shown in the K-19 incident.
Talking about India, shouldn't you be drinking tea? 😂
hes american… they dont care abt tea.
@@dingbat999 Canadian
How about spicy Chai Tea Latte
Indians who are USRR fans 😂
USA saved Indians by giving Wheat in 1960s.....
With bad quality wheat just trying saying you giving food to beggar it actually 20 year expire food
@@runajain5773 THAT wheat saved Indian from hunger, Green Revolution in India was by US help.
@@iXpress so ⁉️
We gave Food to America , Peru , Cuba even China....
It's called Diplomacy Nazi Sympathizer Sangi 🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧
You Nazis won't Understand it.
@@runajain5773 Was US under any obligation to give India one grain of wheat? I don't think so.
Yes, the reason, NON ALIGNED