Should the Pro Motocross tracks be rougher?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
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This Week in MXA, episode 182, presented by O'Neal is all about track conditions and tire testing. Josh Mosiman talks on what the tracks were like at the first three rounds of the Outdoors, comparing how they are prepping the national tracks this year, versus the last few years. Plus, Josh talks on the highlights from the racing at the 2024 Thunder Valley National, and the MXA wrecking crew goes tire testing with Dunlop on the new Dunlop AT82 off-road tires.
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The new prep is so much better. i want to watch battles not survival
@@dannysalzer770Uh the people who go the fastest
@keithh1380 That's how you lose half the field. Mxgp tracks are rough as hell and they battle left and right. It comes down tot he rider. The tracks shouldn't adapt to the rider. The rider should adapt to the track. It's what separates the good from the best.
@@Slipvayne1 Mxgp tracks are huge and more high speed that's why the battles are good. Losing half the field isn't going to make for better battles and the battles were always better back in the day because the tracks were less rough and more high speed. And I didn't even say I don't like rough tracks, yall arguments just dont make sense. Oh anyone can go fast on a prepped track, ok is that supposed to make it easier to win if everyone can go faster
@@keithh1380 I think you misunderstood what I said.
This is survival with super fast track with less skill gap
As long as they keep the tracks like they have been our guys will forever have a tough time at MXON…. Rough tracks separate the field, just like the whoops use to before turning them into a rhythm.
Josh tbh. Hunter and Jett have clearly stated. That US MX is flat track compared to european tracks.😅😅
You might had survived the thunder valley track Josh but Tomac did not a few years ago.
As an OLDTIME southern Cali racer, I hate ruts and love berms. lol. I like seeing tracks where there are a lot of chances for passing and using alternate lines. It just makes it more interesting to watch an I believe more fun for the riders.
But skillgaps is what advances the sport. Look at MXGP so many technical riders
The prep is perfect. We want to see racing not surviving. Much much better racing
No, when they rip it deep turns into one fast line, and impossible to make a pass.
Glen Helen sucks. No jumps and it’s 4th/5th gear speed. Way too many deaths and injuries there
The new prep is much better but there should be a mixture of both. The entire track doesn't need to be prepped the same. It's nice to have parts of the track where riders can go really fast and make creative passes. It's also nice to have a few sections that are really gnarly and test the riders. I've always found it odd that tracks are ripped to the same depth and watered the same amount all the way around. Same goes for dumping in sand, there's no need to dump sand around the entire track.
nah. I'm a pass on that. it homogenizes the tracks too much. pala should be hard and shallow. thunder valley should be ripped deep. southwick and unadilla should be natural terrain feats of endurance. etc. I'm not a fan of this "sand section in each race" type of homogenization. imo, SX should be homogenized tracks. the rutting up shouldn't be such an issue. but in MX? the venue is the thing, imo.
The track prep has been on point this season. Best racing in years…Even Tomac thinks so!!… all this talk about wanting to grow the sport and make it mainstream won’t happen with slot car tracks. Need exciting racing to bring in new fans!!
Like the less deep and less watered tracks, makes all 40 riders more competitive and equal.
As far as the AT82, l am an Off Road rider, and am sad to see the AT81 being discontinued 😞. It is such a a great versatile tire with such great grip everywhere! The AT82, is almost a copy of the New 34 with a different center knob. I know by the knob placement, it will not be as good Off Road as the AT81.
Over watering started many years ago from Karen's complaining about dust. I'm glad it's over.
I like new conditions, it allows for riders to move around and make passes. No more hearing.... "it's 1 lined so it's hard to make passes"
I think it's somewhere in between- don't rip them as deep, more passing, but then don't groom them between motos and then them get as rough as they naturally will.
Ryan Hughes said on Gypsy tales that there will never be another MXGP winner from USA because their tracks are too rough, so I guess they can always be more rough 🤷♂
But vialle says us tracks are more rough
@@zealobiron I was wondering about that, I live in Michigan and redbud gets pretty tore up
He's probably right. All the top young MX2 riders all want to come to the US now for SX so we'll have all the best riders anyway. De Wolf and the Coenen brothers will be here in the next couple years. And of course Prado here next year
RH talks a lot of shite...always has, just ask RC, RV and JM.
@@zealobironno no he did not. They asked him right at the start of his SX career and he said sx was harder but ofc it would be when your brand new…
I hate the ruts , I like when they fix them😊
there's a difference between ripping it shallow/deep and grooming the track between motos. are you saying it's ok to rip them but fix the ruts and let them develop more naturally for each moto? or just don't rip it so deep? not judging. just a question that hit me as I read your post.
@@daneg I don't mind it ripped deep, or the ruts and that develop , but when it gets hard and baked in ruts , I don't like riding it personally
Whatever makes the racing closer 👍🏻👍🏻
I like watching the racing this season! I don't like watching slot car racing. Less water, less deep ripping,better racing.
When the track turns into coin slots in every section..it's shitty to ride and boring to watch...I've always hated the theory that tracks should be super rough to " separate the men from the boys" I think it's b.s if you're talented and fast you should be fast on a smooth track too
Great question! Closer racing is always better, so ripped and watered less is probably better for closer racing and possible safer.
There needs to be a fine line between rough and fast. The tracks this year have been awesome so far, too rough is boring, and too fast is boring because there’s no passing. Biggest thing I want to see is a viable inside and outside. Make both lines as even as possible, all insides blow, and only outsides blow even more.
Motocross races at this level equals rough. Local races sure prep them well. Motocross racing at peak level, leave the tractors parked.
Let's go back to "natural terrain", at least for at least one national.
Wasn't, Unadilla originally a natural terrain track used only once a year for the early Pro races?
Look at some of the early days of Pro MX in this country. They went out, put up course makers and said, "have at it boys, stay between the markers".
ok boomer.
seriously though, most people don't want this. I feel like you know this, so this is just you virtue signaling.
@@oliverdurgen5953 First as a Boomer, I don't even know what virtue signaling is.
Second I HATE riding groomed tracks. It grew up riding natural terrain, which is the historical heritage of MX. And again Unadilla was originally a natural terrain track that was praised as the best track in the US.... back in my day.
And yes Carlsbad was natural terrain and SUCKED! So I'm not advocating for any natural terrain, just "one" national that would be world class worthy.
Rip the corners deeeeep but do the straights somewhere in middle so its not slot car racing
Love the idea of the omni direction rear, especially for those of us trying to save some coin from race to race with different tracks and dirt.
The rougher the better. But that does not mean ruts. Less prep between motos
I think the much bigger issue is that Supercross tracks should NOT be rougher. As for MX, I prefer variety. Ruts at TV. Energy melting sand at Southwick. Muddy Highpoint. Etc. But for SX? I would rather NOT see tracks like Indy (with the one exception of Daytona...which belongs in the day time. oye!).
I like the new tracks.
It makes no sense on a smooth track. It's not motocross.
And in fact, only on a real motocross track do you understand why ´mx bikes have aluminum frames :D
As you said yourself Josh. MotoGP, SBK, if you want to ride on a smooth track that never changes.
Motocross is rough and that makes riding interesting and actually safer.
Without deep ruts and hard bumps, it's not a mx but some kind of colourful parade
Think about it. Keep making these tracks easier even the less skillful guys have a chance at winning. 9 whoops and no dragons in sx and now less technical smooth mx tracks? The elite guys won stand out as much eventually and it lower the skill level in the sport. Then we show up to rough mxon tracks and get destroyed even more by the euros
You mean to tell me with all the equipment available.... this is an issue.... 😖😖😖 just seams lazy. Sad for the sport. But we are a capitalist country 🤣🤣 and thats what matters most
New track conditions for sure!
Shark tank jump's . Make the jumps bigger with diagonal deep rut kicker's . Where the factory rider's have to hit them perfect wide open and still case it .
I think would be more professional to leave the outdoor tracks the same slow them down with more manicured Tracktor made obstacles to make for closer racing more passing being better prepaired.With how big mx has become tracks should be very groomed to almost prefect and the same as were year before.
Do the racers pay to ride? If so then they should have premiums track conditions... 🤷♂️
Rougher track but less ruts
Where I ride it’s hard pack all the time we get prepped track on race day but all the practice tracks are hard and dry it makes it hard to ride on a rutted track I can do it but I like the smoother tracks watching the races too I think the racing is a lot better too
If it is too smooth it will become "start" cross, the rough tracks separate the men from the boys, huge ruts are another thing. not so great
Hi
Leave the rough tracks to gp lads
The US riders don’t make that kind of tracks!
Preparing the track is awesome. You get better and closer racing and not so one lined, and actually, it makes it safer and faster. I think them preparing the tracks was a great idea. I know motocross is dangerous, but preping the track will cut back on serious injuries.
faster isn't safer. but I get your drift. the speed should be checked by track layout/obstacle design, not how deep they rip it. /2cents
Ripping is track prep. that's what makes it "one lined". anything you do to a track is prep. you are clearly confused what track prep is and what it does.
so, you never been on an MX track, that is obvious... ughh!!! Yah!!! casual fans.
what people are talking about, and the point of the video is about NOT prepping the track. you numpty.
Heard the 82 is kinda flexy, that's my issue with the 81's too... 😂
Close racing is the most important thing, and that means less separation. Less technical is the key.
Prep this year has made for great Motos, hopefully they keep it going 👍
Don't dumb the tracks down. MX is for the 💪
Might have to give those AT82s a go. Sound good, esp that rear.
we need a real sand track on the national circuit and no Southwick is not a real sand track anymore
If southwick is not a real sand track then there's no such thing
@@Stinky_sack Lommel, Belgium;)
@@Stinky_sack it used to be but they had some flooding a few years back and most of the deep sand washed away, Southwick now has many hard pack sections and no "bottom less" sand like say Lommel does
MX track out in the sand dunes of the southwest 😂
whatever fosters multiple viable lines and pass opportunities
No because its supposed to be fun. Look Hangtown gets it.
I prefer the smoother tracks for the nationals and the us boys. Leave the really rough tracks to the Europeans in the MXGP class who actually know how to handle them.😉
The track prep at Thunder Valley made for some great racing.
I started the Virginia city GP on a fresh 80/100 AT82 front. Never rode it at speed prior. Did just shy of 100 miles on hard and rocky terrain. Coming from Starcross 5’s, the 82 was excellent. Ive never been a Dunlop fan prior.
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They used to be way rougher. And in the days of Hannah they ran two 45 Min + 2 laps through the late 1980's. Danger is going to top them all regardless. One more 250 season and 450 class will have an American winning championships again.
That shot from 5:02 was one of the most exciting, and Tom was able to do it with the more smoother track prep.
I think they should mix it up. Some weekends deep and some not as deep. The prep at round 2 and 3 definitely made for better racing. But like I said, mix it up, keep the riders having to adapt to different conditions. I don’t think a slot car track every weekend makes for the best racing. And end the end, it’s entertainment for the fans.
This year tracks.
jo moto
Awesome Race!
The elite ride GP tracks, nuff said
Yes 💯 slow down the speed .
the pro motocross tracks should have cooler jumps rather than making the tracks rougher with deep tilled dirt and huge ruts
@motocrossaction Like Wardy says “Prep the track on Monday (let riders use it during the week) and leave it alone ‘til Saturday for the Pros!” Our worthless AMA has been pussyfying US MX & SX for decades now! That is why we have been getting our asses handed to us by them euros for a long time. Embarrassing! The good-for-nothing AMA really needs to stop prepping tracks like if it were flat track racing, go back to 40-45 min + 2 motos (yes fuel tanks can be made to hold enough fuel), cut the bullshit about shortening motos when it is “too hot” or “raining” (aside from thunderstorms), and go back to racing MX on Sundays like it was always meant to besides being done on natural terrain conditions. Unless they radically change and go this direction, we Americans, will keep getting beat by these foreigners. Make Motocross Great Again! Sorry libs…