I cannot understand the blind, hellbent passion for diluting an elite league with more 2nd rate expansion teams that will also need to be propped up for far too long. It also means that there are 200+ players that should be playing in an expanded "B" competition, because they just simply are NOT elite. It also creates huge discrepancies in the 'fairness' of the draw. 14 clubs, playing each other once home, once away before finals, with an honest 'draw' rather than a focus on artificially created BLOCKBUSTERS. That's my unpopular opinion.
Nailed it. I'll add - the current clubs are NOT all profitable, and some have never been. We have 3 or 4 clubs and their members constantly doing the heavy lifting of funding the league. No new clubs until the basket case clubs (looking at you Norf, Saints, GCS, FREO!) get their shit sorted out and start paying their way.
Geelong can’t complain when they are the only Victorian team who have their own genuine home ground home crowd advantage 10 games there next year so they will walk into finals again
Thanks for the vid, it was really good and informative 👍👏 Just wanted to get your thoughts on Petracca & Oliver possibly leaving Melbourne at the end of 2025 if the Demons have a really bad year & finish in the bottom 4.
Fantastic episode as usual, definitely some food for thought. The 50m rule change would be interesting but could mean player's may be less inclined to be bothered around backchatting umpires or generally giving away an additional penalty 💙💛🦅🏆
An easy way to fix the father son/ Academy rule is making the side selecting the player use a selection from the round the player was bid on, plus using extra points to make up the gap. For example, if a father son was bid on at pick 4 and the side wanting to get him had pick 12 as their first pick, then they should have to use pick 12 + find the additional points from later rounds. This would stop the nonsense of accumulating later round picks.
I like the idea of having to use a pick near the bid, but it gets complicated if a player is bid at 1, you could still use your last pick of round one which is currently 23, better to be within 10 picks, but then how do you predict that, when trading? Maybe limit the picks used to 2, so if you need 1000 points you cant have 4 picks worth around 250, you have to trade to get the picks 800+200 or 550+450 type thing. Also hard to prepare for but then you can always go into deficit for the following year.
No teams will fold ever again, they tried to merge north with Gold coast and north Melbourne supporters raised over a million to stay. I think that set the preset that rich history clubs won’t be going anywhere. They have heritage in the game, and are responsible for building the game. Melbourne, Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond are all foundation clubs, Geelong have been a power house since birth, north Melbourne brought in Friday night footy, financial stability and have multiple charity foundations directly linked to them ( the huddle and Good Friday ), st kilda have a long lasting history though is on the weaker side as they aren’t financially stable nor do they have the success the other clubs have
The best way to deal with the go home factor is longer rookie contracts. 3 years is way too short when dealing with 18 year olds. By the time these players get up to the speed of the game at the professional level, they are dictating where they go. If clubs get longer control, there is more incentive to take the best player without worrying you lose them right when they are ready.
Father sons is the first thing that needs to change. If you want him, trade for him or trade up for the pick. Academies are next. Maybe allow clubs to nominate one player a year from their academy and the rest are in the open pool. Compensation picks should stay especially when a player leaves a low team to go to a higher ranked team
I think if a club wants to draft a f/s or academy pick they should have to use a pick in the same round and whatever other picks to get the points needed for the player
My unpopular opinion is that the Game is at a crossroads in regards to its presentation. It has become a snore fest in half the games of each round. The quality of the game is suffering due to the expansion of teams. The umpires bounce needed to be done years ago.
Don't know how unpopular it is, but I'd rather North use pick 2 on Tauru than take a raw deal from Richmond and have no first round pick next year. As for father son picks, I've said it before and I'll say it again; it has no meaning when those players walk to the club for free. No club is taking those father sons (i.e. Daicos, Ahscroft) because of their names. They're taking them because they're getting pick 1 for free, it's not romantic, it's just skirting the draft. You got a father son coming up in the draft? Make it happen via trades, or you didn't value them enough to do it.
Cal Twomey is great, but the bar for greatness in AFL journalism is extremely low. Ranges from blokes whose entire MO is just telling fibs for clicks, to the ones that rely on their football credentials for credibility. Here in the West, Peter Sumich still gets paid to write articles, so that tells you all you need to know.
Why do so many People think Smilie isn’t really a forward when he kicked 16 in 12 Coates talent league games and averaged 1.3 goals per game and had plenty of 2 and 3 goal games in the talent league
The 50m penalty is not the problem in the exanple given. It is the ridiculous "stand" rule. It was a rule that came in to solve a problem that never existed. The old man on the mark rule was fine. There is no logical reason why any player should be made to stand still at any time. He was never able to come forward of the mark and now we have a russian roulette system where sometimes a player is allowed to take two steps back, the umpire sometimes deems that to be "outside five" and other times if the umoire deems that he took those steps backwards half a second too late then it is a 50m penalty. Or two players go to man the mark, the umpire calls stand, nobody knows which player is supposed to stand so one MUST move but get it wrong either way and it is a 50. It never made sense to begin with and makes even less as time goes on, but the AFL has never admitted to F'ing up anything so they will never fix it.
Richmond using all of their first round picks in one draft, rather than spreading them over future drafts, is a bad idea that will come back to bite them. It's an even draft but not in the way that Richmond supporters arrogantly believe. It's more-so that 3-5 are as average as 8-10 evenly rather than 1-8 being that of 2001 quality. And even then 50% or so of a top 10 don't live up. It is the misleading "super draft" moniker that has made Richmond people fall into this false sense of security. If they were smart they would trade their 10 or 11 for future picks and more.
It is not arrogant for Richmond supporters to have a different opinion to you. When they take 7 1st round picks on draft night, the jealousy and crying from opposition club supporters will be at fever pitch. Looking forward to it!
Agree but if they cant get good deals, they could always do the GWS thing, take all the kids, but allow them to leave in the coming years while getting picks back in.
The academy system is a joke, its nothing more than a way for clubs to pre select players years in advance. Its completely destructive to equalisation. The way it should work is that all clubs have their academies and invest in order to produce higher level talent for the whole league, not just themselves and all clubs gain access to all academy players. Its not based on dumb luck like the father son system and therefore is unfair and open to manipulation. Only more recent clubs (gws and gold coast and soon tassie) should be able to have limited priority access to their academy players as they haven't been in the league long enough to produce father sons
If the NT get a team, ut should come with the condition of having a roofed and climate controlled stadium. The conditions do not lend themselves to good quality football. I don't think the population is there to sustain a team anyway and it is not a high growth area so the AFL wouldn't want it.
I really like that you talk in feet and inches. It is noteworthy that tradesmen deal in millimeters and the sedentary talk in centimetres. No one talks about a Collingwood 182 centimetrer.
Father son and academy bids should have to be matched with points with no more than two draft picks. It is a bit of a joke using multiple picks in the 40s, 50s and 60s for a top 10 talent. With live trading on the night and from next year the ability to trade picks two years into the future, any club can easily have access to their F-S prospects if they want them enough. I personally would be as draconian to make them match it with one pick. That would include their 10% discount. So if a player is bid on at pick 10 then they need to find a way to get pick 13-14 in their hands.
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I cannot understand the blind, hellbent passion for diluting an elite league with more 2nd rate expansion teams that will also need to be propped up for far too long. It also means that there are 200+ players that should be playing in an expanded "B" competition, because they just simply are NOT elite. It also creates huge discrepancies in the 'fairness' of the draw. 14 clubs, playing each other once home, once away before finals, with an honest 'draw' rather than a focus on artificially created BLOCKBUSTERS. That's my unpopular opinion.
This is the biggest FAX I’ve read for a long while
Nailed it.
I'll add - the current clubs are NOT all profitable, and some have never been. We have 3 or 4 clubs and their members constantly doing the heavy lifting of funding the league.
No new clubs until the basket case clubs (looking at you Norf, Saints, GCS, FREO!) get their shit sorted out and start paying their way.
@@Simmo_AU😅😅 you nuff
Geelong can’t complain when they are the only Victorian team who have their own genuine home ground home crowd advantage
10 games there next year so they will walk into finals again
Thanks for the vid, it was really good and informative 👍👏
Just wanted to get your thoughts on Petracca & Oliver possibly leaving Melbourne at the end of 2025 if the Demons have a really bad year & finish in the bottom 4.
Fantastic episode as usual, definitely some food for thought. The 50m rule change would be interesting but could mean player's may be less inclined to be bothered around backchatting umpires or generally giving away an additional penalty 💙💛🦅🏆
Compensation pick should be based upon player ratings (maybe Champion Data) NOT on contracts and salaries which can and do get manipulated.
Have David King and Hoyneys data be the deciding factor of the worth of players contracts, No thanks.
An easy way to fix the father son/ Academy rule is making the side selecting the player use a selection from the round the player was bid on, plus using extra points to make up the gap. For example, if a father son was bid on at pick 4 and the side wanting to get him had pick 12 as their first pick, then they should have to use pick 12 + find the additional points from later rounds. This would stop the nonsense of accumulating later round picks.
I like the idea of having to use a pick near the bid, but it gets complicated if a player is bid at 1, you could still use your last pick of round one which is currently 23, better to be within 10 picks, but then how do you predict that, when trading?
Maybe limit the picks used to 2, so if you need 1000 points you cant have 4 picks worth around 250, you have to trade to get the picks 800+200 or 550+450 type thing. Also hard to prepare for but then you can always go into deficit for the following year.
Wouldn’t mind seeing retro draft reviews, rating random ones from a wheel picker or something crazy
Fold 2 Melbourne teams into one to create a superteam, that will push the talent to other states. Then add another team.
No teams will fold ever again, they tried to merge north with Gold coast and north Melbourne supporters raised over a million to stay. I think that set the preset that rich history clubs won’t be going anywhere. They have heritage in the game, and are responsible for building the game. Melbourne, Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond are all foundation clubs, Geelong have been a power house since birth, north Melbourne brought in Friday night footy, financial stability and have multiple charity foundations directly linked to them ( the huddle and Good Friday ), st kilda have a long lasting history though is on the weaker side as they aren’t financially stable nor do they have the success the other clubs have
Just get rid of the Gold Coast. Problem solved.
@@tigrrrman and North lol
Just merge 2 melbourne teams we don,t need 20 teams
North and Melbourne. They could call it North Melbourne....😂🎉🎉, the Roomons!
The best way to deal with the go home factor is longer rookie contracts. 3 years is way too short when dealing with 18 year olds. By the time these players get up to the speed of the game at the professional level, they are dictating where they go. If clubs get longer control, there is more incentive to take the best player without worrying you lose them right when they are ready.
Father sons is the first thing that needs to change. If you want him, trade for him or trade up for the pick. Academies are next. Maybe allow clubs to nominate one player a year from their academy and the rest are in the open pool. Compensation picks should stay especially when a player leaves a low team to go to a higher ranked team
Great content.....I miss the footy already, how long till rd1!!!
"Only" 122 days to go.
@spindoctor6385 lol, thanks bud!
no compensation for free agents. If you're contracted the club is in control and can trade you as they please, not where you request.
Yeah that doesn’t really happen so far in the future yes it will happen
I think if a club wants to draft a f/s or academy pick they should have to use a pick in the same round and whatever other picks to get the points needed for the player
My unpopular opinion is that the Game is at a crossroads in regards to its presentation. It has become a snore fest in half the games of each round. The quality of the game is suffering due to the expansion of teams.
The umpires bounce needed to be done years ago.
Don't know how unpopular it is, but I'd rather North use pick 2 on Tauru than take a raw deal from Richmond and have no first round pick next year.
As for father son picks, I've said it before and I'll say it again; it has no meaning when those players walk to the club for free. No club is taking those father sons (i.e. Daicos, Ahscroft) because of their names. They're taking them because they're getting pick 1 for free, it's not romantic, it's just skirting the draft. You got a father son coming up in the draft? Make it happen via trades, or you didn't value them enough to do it.
Alix 2-Roo
Cal Twomey is great, but the bar for greatness in AFL journalism is extremely low.
Ranges from blokes whose entire MO is just telling fibs for clicks, to the ones that rely on their football credentials for credibility.
Here in the West, Peter Sumich still gets paid to write articles, so that tells you all you need to know.
I probably could have worded my comment a little better…😅
The problem with cornes is he talks out his ass most of the time
Why do so many People think Smilie isn’t really a forward when he kicked 16 in 12 Coates talent league games and averaged 1.3 goals per game and had plenty of 2 and 3 goal games in the talent league
Unpopular opinion we don’t need a 20th team, it’s bad enough with 18
My very popular opinion: lol @ Carlton
great video
The 50m penalty is not the problem in the exanple given. It is the ridiculous "stand" rule. It was a rule that came in to solve a problem that never existed. The old man on the mark rule was fine. There is no logical reason why any player should be made to stand still at any time. He was never able to come forward of the mark and now we have a russian roulette system where sometimes a player is allowed to take two steps back, the umpire sometimes deems that to be "outside five" and other times if the umoire deems that he took those steps backwards half a second too late then it is a 50m penalty. Or two players go to man the mark, the umpire calls stand, nobody knows which player is supposed to stand so one MUST move but get it wrong either way and it is a 50.
It never made sense to begin with and makes even less as time goes on, but the AFL has never admitted to F'ing up anything so they will never fix it.
For Kane Cornes to shut up and stop click baiting
Richmond using all of their first round picks in one draft, rather than spreading them over future drafts, is a bad idea that will come back to bite them. It's an even draft but not in the way that Richmond supporters arrogantly believe. It's more-so that 3-5 are as average as 8-10 evenly rather than 1-8 being that of 2001 quality. And even then 50% or so of a top 10 don't live up. It is the misleading "super draft" moniker that has made Richmond people fall into this false sense of security. If they were smart they would trade their 10 or 11 for future picks and more.
It is not arrogant for Richmond supporters to have a different opinion to you. When they take 7 1st round picks on draft night, the jealousy and crying from opposition club supporters will be at fever pitch. Looking forward to it!
Agree but if they cant get good deals, they could always do the GWS thing, take all the kids, but allow them to leave in the coming years while getting picks back in.
The academy system is a joke, its nothing more than a way for clubs to pre select players years in advance. Its completely destructive to equalisation. The way it should work is that all clubs have their academies and invest in order to produce higher level talent for the whole league, not just themselves and all clubs gain access to all academy players. Its not based on dumb luck like the father son system and therefore is unfair and open to manipulation. Only more recent clubs (gws and gold coast and soon tassie) should be able to have limited priority access to their academy players as they haven't been in the league long enough to produce father sons
If the NT get a team, ut should come with the condition of having a roofed and climate controlled stadium. The conditions do not lend themselves to good quality football.
I don't think the population is there to sustain a team anyway and it is not a high growth area so the AFL wouldn't want it.
I really like that you talk in feet and inches.
It is noteworthy that tradesmen deal in millimeters and the sedentary talk in centimetres.
No one talks about a Collingwood 182 centimetrer.
Father son and academy bids should have to be matched with points with no more than two draft picks. It is a bit of a joke using multiple picks in the 40s, 50s and 60s for a top 10 talent.
With live trading on the night and from next year the ability to trade picks two years into the future, any club can easily have access to their F-S prospects if they want them enough.
I personally would be as draconian to make them match it with one pick. That would include their 10% discount. So if a player is bid on at pick 10 then they need to find a way to get pick 13-14 in their hands.
didnt see this before, but totally agree.
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