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Xbox is the only brand who tells you at every moment that you don’t actually need to buy their product.
Exactly
Why sell a console that costs them money, when they can sell a service which costs them next to nothing?
@@cun7us the service cost them next to nothing? I thought It cost them way more. It just easy to get a service to their potential costumers.
@@zonzore nope, it costs them very little in relative terms. Consoles on the other hand, are expensive to make especially the Series X, hence why they put the price up.
@@cun7us there is no way cloud gaming costs Microsoft next to nothing. They have to optimize the software to run on custom Series S consoles specifically for the cloud and have servers everywhere to handle the load. There's a reason XCloud is only available with Game Pass Ultimate and none of the lower tiers.
You could plug in a Fire stick on an Xbox One so can play Xbox on the Xbox to play Xbox
We heard you like streaming crappy games at crappy quality, so we stuck a fire stick in your Xbox One so you can stream crappy games at crappy quality on a crappy console
So you need 4 Xboxes to play one Xbox…
Ok that's pretty funny 😂😂😂.
Streaming games is the worst way to play games especially multiplayer games
Microsofts cloud gaming is horrendous! I’ve tried it on many occasions just to simply try and it’s still the same latency issue with visual fuzz. GeForceNow at least is playable and decent looking.
Agreed. Tested nvidia rtx 3080 tier (haven't tested the new 4080). RT an better settings sure but due to video compression and to a greater degree due to latency, an Xbox series s provides a net better experience
Seems a match for the Xbox experience we have been getting since 2013: worst
I try GeForce now? 2 days ago. Is not playable. Framerate/picture is good. But the input lag is massive for me. Driving cars (cp2077) without crashing / not possible. Mouse feels so soft….
For multiplayer I agree but I messed with...Stadia? and I was surprised how much you can game you can get with basic internet on a potato machine. At least at 1080p single player, I was getting consistent frames and resolutions. Some sessions were unplayable and I can imagine any interruptions is a deal breaker for a lot of serious gamers but less so for more causal gamers.
I concluded the technology wasn't there yet but I full expect cloud gaming will become the norm in the future.
It's like playing a TH-cam video set on 720p.
Playing on Xbox One is better than streaming.
What's wrong with that? It's the perfect resolution for my 5:4 1280x1024 monitor.
That's good on mobile
bro gfn has 4k streaming
The quality of it will depend on the wifi speeds and the Xbox server blades
Xbox: You don't need an Xbox to play Xbox.
PS Portal: you need a PS5 to play PS5.
PS5 is overated
It's aimed at casual gamers. Hardcore will go PC, regular gamers Xbox and casual streaming. The money is in monthly subs not tin.
xCloud performance is not solely dependent on WiFi speeds; it also heavily relies on the client's device capabilities. Contrary to popular belief, cloud gaming is not just streaming a video like TH-cam or Netflix. It requires robust h264 decoding performance. Testing on various devices using Edge, Kiwi, and Safari browsers showed that PCs and Macs (both AMD and Intel) had the best decode times (1-4ms), followed by iPhones and Samsung Galaxy devices with Exynos chips (4ms). Android phones with Snapdragon and MediaTek chips had slower times (26-30ms), with the worst performance observed on Android TV (112ms). xCloud performance and quality could be enhanced if Xbox will increase the bitrate limit and adding support for h265.
Dang, I can't believe I never thought about that before. Thanks for explaining that!
All that assumes you live in a place with stable, reliable, internet connections without a data cap.
That's not a given in first world countries, let alone the other 80% of the countries on the planet.
@@mappybc6097 I'm from the Philippines with a stable 600Mbps internet connection. Since xCloud is not supported in my country, I use scripts to bypass the region restriction. The nearest server to me is in Korea (stable 60ms). Xcloud does not require too much bandwidth since its bitrate is limited to 15Mbps thats why having a 1Gbps internet connection doesnt make any difference.
I wouldn’t rely on cloud without a shield pro or some kinda similar device for that reason 💯
Totally agree - this is why even though Amazon say it’s on their 4K and 4K Max fire sticks, it’s actually only the latest (2024) versions - older ones don’t have anywhere near the power to do this decode properly.
Richard is the only person eagerly awaiting Xbox on a firestick.
I think they can honestly capture a lot of speculative casual market share. There's a lot of users out there that could play Disney Dreamlight Valley or other cozy games that don't really care about top-specs and just want to relax.
I can already see all the parents getting this for their kids just to deal with the troubleshooting nightmare that they have no idea how to deal with 🤦🤦
Tens of millions already have a Fire device. No one bought it for gaming. Gaming is a value add just like it is on smart TVs.
@@leroybrown9143 The new bundled kits are what talking about.
So no different then new pc owners
@@De1usionsofGrandeur yeah, same boat!
Troubleshooting? LOL
Video game streaming will never replace physical games. The biggest challenge is that infrastructure in developing countries is pathic compared to other countries like Singapore, China, Japan, and South Korea
Physical sales in those countries aren't large anyway. It's fine in places with solid infustructor
Check history with technology every time someone said never.....
Digital will replace physical games lol not streaming
@@kennypowers1945MS and others are trying to make streaming the better alternative. So a single digital purchase just won't be enough for them.
My internet connection in Vietnam is much better than Australia. One is 3rd country, other is a G7 country.
Whoever thought that it was a good idea to include xcloud at the highest tier of gamepass is a genius lol 😂 instantly will kill cloud gaming 😂
@@dr.sivavignesh664 Yeah, as someone who has Game Pass Ultimate (I'll probably downgrade again once the new prices reflect for me) I wouldn't have it if I didn't take full advantage of it. I own both a PC and a Series X, without those it's not worth it.
Sony actually tried to use it as an argument against the Activision merger. Lol. Trying to make it seem like MS will have a big advantage.
Why? Gamepass is not particularly expensive.
Putting it at the higher tier is not the thing that is going to kill it. Trying to run it on a rubbish wireless connection is what is going to ruin people’s opinion of the service.
@@BrettHoTep Blaming the consumer is a mute point. That's the internet they have, and that's that. Google said the same thing with Stadia and it's gone.
@@BrettHoTep because it defeats the purpose of " no console required" to play. Entry to gaming without hardware is only viable if the subscription fee is justified. The highest tier is most useful for people utilising Xbox live, pc gamepass, , Xbox gamepass. Why would someone who just wants to play on cloud want the other things ?! ( yes there are people who are fine with using gamepass without hardware, it's like plug / connect and play to them). Also why would people with hardware play on cloud ? The 2 crowds are different. The ones having the hardware would never touch cloud gaming because of connectivity issues and latency.
We've been trying to do game streaming for 15 years! I am done "waiting for the experience to improve."
"is there someone that DOESN'T have a console that would USE this?"
That's really only only question you need to answer. Comparing image quality and latency to native hardware kinda misses the point.
If they had a console, they'd just use that.
X cloud isn't targeting that group.
My question is if gamepass does not reach 100 million subscribers by 2028 will Microsoft dump the Xbox brand?
They will dump it sooner. They are already pushing MS gaming, xbox is dead for most intents and purposes
@@easyygo3008 They can't dump it given there would be no one to sell to. There isn't a company that can buy the assets in Xbox's portfolio. Sony can't because they would immediately become a monopoly & no other company has the money. Amazon might but they learned from the Luna that they aren't built to be a gaming company.
The input latency would be the biggest concern I’d have with game streaming. If I were to stream a game.
Well maybe instead of spending $500 on Xbox you can invest at same 500 on a good modem and a better internet company?
@@daytonaflowI have good internet. But you can feel input lag. Is very very very big.
@@iPh1l1ppwhat service did you use? Because my XP with PS+ streaming is very good.
@@zonzore GeForce now.
Latency is rarely an issue with a solid connection
To me, it all stands and falls with your internet speed. I barely have 20 MB per second and I can stream simple games to my phone, and it works. But it is not compelling by any means...
i have a 1000mbit / 50Mbit Internet, a new Wifi 6e Router and local Streaming between PC and Steam Deck is not perfekt. How will it work with normal Internet an a buged Wifi Router. All my Friends dont have a seperate great Router. All use the Router from his provider. I thinks nothing beats local Gaming!
I have a 500mb connection and the streaming quality sucks. It's not just about our internet or the infrastructure, it's also they cutting server costs by serving a low res, low bit rate video.
@@leoni7649 100%. Game streaming also lies at the hands of corrupt ISPs intentionally limiting your bandwidth and using the lowest bit video streaming that they can get away with because lets face it most who embrace cloud gaming are casuals settling for mediocrity who cant even tell the diff btwn 30 and 60 fps or resolution differences and they are less likely to call these companies out for their garbage service
@@leoni7649latency is very important when it comes to game streaming. Once you meet the required minimum speed for streaming than faster internet won't make much difference.
@leoni7649 same here 500 plus n streaming looks awful n response is lousy. Just don't get why microsoft shoving streaming down our throats when it's so terrible.
"Where is Microsoft going?"
Echoing what the DF crew said, looking at their strategy, Xbox will become their gaming brand.
It'll be a logo you see when you access gaming features on Windows and phones (and streaming if that sticks) or when you play one of the games from the many studios they've purchased, on other, more successful platforms.
The answer is easy. Xbox want to be mainstream. Console, PC, mobile, tv, etc. That’s their approach.
@@luiscantu4968 But they've failed every step of the way. They're a distant third place in the console space. They can't seem to make the Xbox App catch on with PC gamers, and I don't need to tell you their mobile efforts have also failed. From this point of view, they've spread themselves too thin.
And it’s a stupid one that will fail.
@@luiscantu4968 "want to" being the key words there.
@@lirfrankthey already own some of the most popular franchises in the world, they have the best console available and also have the best service in gaming.. all they need is to make their streaming better and they ll literally have the best in all categories
I may have missed it in the video, but did you guys try it with the firestick ethernet adapter? Curious to see if that improves anything.
We have been here before with the Google Stadia. The common consensus was it was a good idea but the current internet bandwidth couldn't handle big games smoothly. The view was give the internet another 10 years then stream-gaming would be ready. I thought Microsoft would go the Fire-Stick route eventually when physical disc gaming ends, but I didn't think I would see it in 2024.
They did nothing new besides putting an app on the Fire Stick and advertise it. Xbox Cloud Gaming has been around for a good while now.
Google also dropped the ball by double and triple charging people on their Stadia service.
I've never been successful at doing streaming gaming on any console, so far. While my internet speed has gotten better. It is around 200mb, and the best available for the city I live in. The issue is that game streaming does not equal video streaming. I can stream 4K content but it ONLY works because the buffer allows for various drops in internet speed. Game Streaming requires none of those drops or pauses to happen ever. Thing is, drops that kill the game connection where it totally messes up for whole seconds or even to the point it just disconnects with an error, happen all the time. I can't even play a short game session without that happening. It's been guaranteed that I have a bad experience each time I attempt to use it.
and it’s going to depend on the quality of the connection. I think 1080p is fine for streaming. If you’re streaming, it doesn’t need to be 4K. That’s a lot of information to transfer, and not everyone is going to have 4K televisions, etc.
No presence/mindshare for Xbox really isn't a surprise. They squandered the goodwill that came in the latter years of the 360 era by years upon years of mediocre products, so few exclusives made the grade, now wonder nobody is excited about their deliverables. It will take a few years of outstanding products to start turning heads again.
So you need a 4k stick or 4k max stick to play Xbox series s versions of games in 1080p?
It's nothing to do with the resolution. It's more about finding very cheap hardware that delivers on a cloud service. Currently M$ need some requirements to get a stable cloud app.
My gaming PC got fried by a power surge recently and money is super tight.
I'm thinking about buying one of these so I can do SOME FORM of gaming.
The S outsold the X b ecause it was the only next gen console consistently on the shelf for nearly 2 years
I think the point being missed in all of the messaging is that Microsoft/Xbox want to cater to each market. Hardcore gamers will always buy physical systems so long as they’re available. No casualties gamer is going to boot up Game Pass on their Fire Stick and complain that the fidelity doesn’t match the Series X that they don’t even own.
Of course for us, it’s a big deal. But my gf didn’t start playing games until we started dating. She had a 27” TV. She plays games like Stardew Valley and Grounded, and doesn’t care about streaming issues at all. The only time she gets frustrated is when the game lags to the point that she gets hit by an enemy because of it. That has happened rare enough to the point that she doesn’t care.
She hasn’t touched the Xbox I bought her since I introduced XCloud to her. The point is that there is a solution for every type of gamer. Streaming, PC, Series X, Series S, and soon, probably handheld. I appreciate having so many options.
Xbox knew the Series S would sell better. The Series X was an afterthought
🤢🤮 CLoud Gaaaiming another xbox low point.
I think that part of the point of this is to get people into Xbox and then offer them 'superior' options. Many may be Casual and that is enough for them for the 'cost' of the Subscription fee but for others, it could be their 'entry' point in. If they want a 'better' experience with Games they can download and play natively on Hardware, they have a 'cheap' ish option (Series S) and a PS5 equivalent with their Series X - various models of Both to suit budget.
They also have Handheld PC's for the 'mobile' market and don't need a 'High' end Pro/Elite Console to 'compete' with PC's on Visual Quality/Performance options as PC already offers that. It's not as if Microsoft Windows isn't the 'common' factor between Xbox/PC and as both are Microsoft, they BOTH have all the Microsoft owned Games Day/Date - have since 2017 Sea of Thieves. That's been nearly a decade now and you 'didn't' need a XB1 S/X to play MS games after that.
Even without 'Streaming', you don't need an Xbox because MS release everything on 'PC's' so can play on a handheld PC at 'Console Prices. Most can connect an eGPU to boost performance and dock to a 4k TV - with DLSS as well to get the Visual quality at a Frame Rate you want. MS could release a Surface Handheld PC with thunderbolt port for 3rd Party eGPU's to 'dock' to Monitors/TV's for better performance on higher res displays...
HOW can the Next Xbox be a Custom Design for People with different Tastes if it was said that
THE NEXT XBOX WILL BE THE BIGGEST TECHNOLOGICAL LEAP IN HISTORY!???
"Xbox series x...the most optional console of all time" (Skill Up 2020)
Obviously it's only a matter of time before they go out of the console business.
They are not even trying anymore. As an Xbox fan, I can feel the end is near
@@Daniel-oc8sxfacts!
Tbh I think they have at least 1 gen most probably 2 gens before cloud gaming can replace home hardware. And cloud gaming is still consoles don’t forget, just in server rooms instead of your home.
That goes for consoles in general.
They have 1 more gen in them.
Yeah, people will see a game running on pc/console and says: you know what this game needs? Video compression and more lag... big innovation for the future.
They have an identity crisis and internal power struggle. The Series X console with DRM, no jailbreak, and games not being complete on disc is the main reason I haven't bothered with them. In a controlled ecosystem they don't need to innovate. They can drip feed garbage day one as long as you pay for their subscription service. Their key franchises are dying. The only way (outside of DRM free on PC) for Gears and Halo to live on at a console level is for those games to get ported to Playstation where you can buy physical and digital as there are methods to preserve what you bought. Streaming games is never a good thing for several reasons, but the writing is on the wall for XBOX. They don't give a sh*t about their original fans.
and the mainstream doesn't really care about the things DF cares about, and they don't even know who DF is. Pixel peepers are just a vocal minority.
mainstream doesn't really care about xbox, and most of the world doesn't even know what xbox is.
@@iftycent8 in other countries beside the US, sure
If anything xbox good at its disappointing customers
PlayStation portal has entered the chat. PlayStation VR2 has entered the chat. PS5 pro is connecting to the chat.
@@SpongeBob.Rippedthe psvr 2 was a bit of a mistake but that was to be expected. If it wasn’t priced so high it would have sold more units and would have been more competitive with the meta quest.
@@SpongeBob.RippedLiterally none of those things are disappointments xbot
@@SpongeBob.Ripped"The world's most powerful console is a disappointment"
- Xbot logic
@@SpongeBob.Ripped all 3 of those things you've just listed are all *optional extras* to the existing PS5 base user if they wanted to enhance their PS5 experience further, none of which are available on the Xbox side.
Even _if_ they hypothetically "sucked" atleast it isn't forced onto the Playstation user, like how Xbox did with the launch of the Xbox One bundling it with the Kinect which nobody wanted which also made it more expensive than PS4.
I'm currently saving up to build a new computer, since I moved to a different country and had to sell mine. I've been testing games through GeForce Now because I don't want to waste money on a console and the truth is that the results have been pretty decent. If this Xbox Stick hits the market at a good price (like real low price and suscription), it could be an interesting option for people who are in a similar situation.
i think we are pretty bad at extrapolating the future of gaming, everyone seems convinced cloud gaming is coming, but the reality just seems like it wont really catch on, people that play on phones are not there to play AAA games, and judging by nintendo and playstation hardware sales, people do very much still love hardware.
What are you talking about? PS5 console sales are a failure. People hate hardware performance on Switch.
@@darinherrick9224people hate performance on switch yet is the top selling console? I agree, we are pretty bad at extrapolating the future of gaming.
@@darinherrick9224 fucking lol, ps5 is beating record sales, listen to yourself wow
Everybody was eagerly waiting to stream xbox games. No one asked for a Gears of War collection, not a single person. The fire stick though, that was the little push I needed to join the hype train.
Playing on the Cloud via the Steam Deck and my iphone 12 works amazing with good wifi. I'm even able to play competitive Halo Infinite on it. Its the main reason i keep paying for Game Pass even though I have a series X.
I'm lucky in that I've rarely had a bad experience on xCloud over Wifi or even 5G but there's definitely room for improvement. It has improved since I first started using it, so I'm hoping it continues that way. As long as it is solid enough for more casual gamwrs who don't care that much for graphic fidelity, then I can see it eventually being more popular than it is now
It's over xbots
Yes....because when I pay £70 for a game, I visually like it to look like a PS2 game.
Oh, but dont worry I can skip that £70 cost with Gamepass..."for ONLY £15 a month (180 pound a year) you can play Indiana Jones, we promise it's good unlike our past 4 years effort of exclusives"
This tech inherently will prolly never work for anything requiring fast twitch reflexes.
The only kind of game I can really see this working is games like civilization 6, management games and etc, which I love. However these games are awful on a console controller.
The tech is there, Microsoft just can not seem to do it. GeForce Now does it very well and you can compete at a *normal level* with shooters.
@@HenryMarkV even the free tier of GFN performs better than xcloud, which is not a good look for MS when they're pushing cloud streaming so hard
@@HenryMarkV for e now doesn't work well, and the wait times lol
@@leoni7649Turn based games like most JRPGs could work.
MS should give up on consoles and become a publisher once for all.
MS & Sony are 3rd party
I think WiFi is a major culprit. From my experiments with streaming at home (various technologies), I found it acceptable with Ethernet, unacceptable with WiFi (even with at-home streaming). WiFi introduces framerate instability that would make gaming annoying even for people who are not sensitive to these kinds of things. But maybe it depends on your home WiFi setup and YMMV.
DF in east Asia, Wi-Fi is part of the train. There moving fast on the train isn't switching between providers. We here in most of Europe lack this on trains and you in the USA lack trains.
America lacks in just about EVERYTHING, lol 😂.
I really don’t understand why there is such an issue with Sony’s game streaming. When I’ve tried many streaming services in the past, they all had lag and poor compression artifacts. However, whenever I play a PlayStation 5 game via streaming on the PlayStation 5, I absolutely cannot tell that I’m streaming it. It looks exactly like it’s local, pixel for pixel, and there is absolutely zero lag. It is probably the most perfect streaming I’ve ever tried, so I just don’t understand why Alex is making faces about PlayStation 5 game streaming.
I’ve also tried Nvidia’s offering, and while it is very good, I get regular hitches. The PlayStation 5 is on par with it, although it lacks some features like 120 Hz. On the other hand, Xbox game streaming is absolutely the worst streaming experience I’ve ever had. It is extremely blocky and only 720p.
I have fiber optic 2 gigabit Internet, so that obviously plays a factor.
Richard try Luna with the Luna Cloud controller as a comparison
Why do we still reference Starfield?!?
Isnt it decidedly an empty shell? It's pretty, but its no geoundbreaking source of graphics either
Lol it's the furthest thing from pretty
@@MichaelM28still attention seeking 😂
I love starfield, but i like to enjoy things, so im not internet friendly.
I love the Xbox cloud stick, works fine👍
Consoles are a mean to an end: selling software. While a console is a one-time sale, people may spend more than what they spend on the hardware.
Saying that "you don't need an Xbox to play Xbox games" it doesn't mean that they are the dropping the console market. It means that people can skip what was holding them off from experiencing those games: affording the hardware. I know that not everyone in US or Europe can afford $500 for a console, but it's way more affordable than lots of other places, like every single country in South America, for example.
Yeah but then you need to be able to afford the infrastructure FOR the streaming, which negates that perk.
God I love Rich, such a straight shooter.
They're targeting a ghost market that doesn't exist.
✨i n n o v a t i o n✨
Fools! The ghost market is only into retro games.
Microsoft just needs to stop cheaping out with the versions they put on cloud. Often they’ll only include the inferior Series S or even Xbox One versions of a game for cloud streaming.
So you think the higher fidelity games would stream more info easier?
4k 60 FPS over HDMI had a bitrate of about 16 Gbps. Streaming bit rates cap out at around 50 Mbps or 0.05 Gbps. No matter the quality of the source video, that much compression is going to look bad. Maybe you will have lower latency and potentially higher framerates, using more powerful hardware server-side but visuals will still be shit.
I guess I'm the only one alive that actually likes the cloud gaming. Me and a friend play The Show 24 all the time on PC and it works perfect as far as I can tell
It looks like IGN finally made him get rid of the old Twitter logo on their videos
Sony has over 100 million customers between the ps4 and ps5. They can keep releasing console and be just fine.
And most players will stick to this model simply because, like we or not, Sony still delivers the best games in industry. 90% of their releases are always among the best games of the year, and the generation.
They most disappointing titles are pretty average compared to the rest of the industry.
I always still find it quite fascinating that the best and only choice I have in Comcast internet, where I live. I have literally no choice for anything better. Every single time, game streaming, regardless of hardware, absolutely sucks. I can't even play a short gaming session without it grossly artifacting, pausing completely for seconds, and often with disconnects complaining about connections. Yeah, I can stream 4K movies easily, but it's because buffers save the day. Game streaming doesn't have that luxury, so I end up getting people making this discussion about a kind of gaming service I can't utilize. I'd literally have to completely move to whatever *lucky* place I could perhaps take advantage of.
Of course, there's no way THAT cost would be worth it. *Hey, I decided to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and uprooted my life, so I can do video game streaming. I guess I really "SAVED" so much money not buying that console or PC.*
The thing is that not everyone has the money to have both systems and when I comes to the Xbox MS just wants ppl to experience Xbox even if it’s not the console and being able to pay $20 for the experience on your phone is pretty cool. The problem is that some people either dont have a stable internet connection or don’t have a device that runs Xcloud properly, and they complain. 🤷🏽♂️ as for me I don’t have any of those problems unless I’m at a Hospital or Walmart, besides that it usually runs flawlessly.
Ten countries collectively account for 77% of global video game revenues, and every single one of them (and several others) has passed legislation within the last four years to ensure high speed internet is available to *all* their citizens. Add to this all the reasons corporations have to favour streaming game services -- elimination of piracy, total control over mods, stable monthly revenues, low consumer buy-in, etc. -- and it becomes clear that all console manufacturers and the majority of publishers will eventually release games exclusively on streaming game services.
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When you reviewed Forza Motorsport on Xbox Series X you said the replays of the race are 30 fps. I Sorry but the replays are 60fps. I have tried the 4k ray tracing at 30fps. Completely unplayable for some sim racers. I choose 4k performance and get the minimum latency with my 4k 120hz direct drive wheel. Test it with a decent wheel on 4k performance mode. The game is awesome.
You are judging this from the hardcore user point of view, which this product is not meant to. this is meant for kids, casual players, moms and dads, and normies. they can't tell from 720p to 1080p.
And they have no eyes and so cannot see huge blocks of artifacting.
I got it today - works great. Thea idea is for the wife & kids to use it, when I am at work. My Series X was looking at me strange though, when I approached the tv with that tiny fire stick...
Not good enough to who though .... mums and kids will be fine with the quality especially at the price point
Time to go back to the 360 and live in bliss
Never forget every customer minus the 2% had 3 360’s at minimum. I believe if that hadn’t of happened it would have died back then. Haven’t had a hit since or even a nomination from any outlet. They literally made them adjust their numbers when it was discovered they were triple and quadruple dipping inflating the numbers.
@@reelroyalevizion800 red ring of death played a part in that. Had to buy more than one because of the terrible engineering
People are playing Nintendo games at 720p lol for two decades , its just an another low cost option to play games, that's subscription based. You either use it or you don't.
I'd be interested to see a video about how much infrastructure and technology needs to improve for games to be streamed at the same quality as if they were running locally
Xbox on Fire stick is an entry point, for casuals.
You will always need a console to play your personal library
And I believe Xbox is forgetting that one factor
I own a Xbox series x and a Samsung gaming TV that has Xbox built-in however I have to go to my console to play my digital personal library
People on here dont understand that the MAJORITY of people that "game" are casuals that dont care about graphics, latency, platform and so on.
xcloud works pretty well on my TV
And that is the problem in my eyes. Consoles have already gone down that PC route...
Microsoft has given up
The Xbox brand is like a slowly dying animal with flies buzzing around it 😂 This fire stick streaming deal feels like they're grasping at straws to gain new GamePass subscribers since its growth has been stagnating for a while now, doubt this fire stick will move the needle for them, hardly anybody wants to stream games...
Would not be at all surprised in the future if they'll just be exclusively only a games publisher and totally ditch all forms of physical Xbox hardware, aswell as GamePass, or if GamePass still exists then its user base will be reduced and remain mostly on PC (since the Xbox consoles will be extinct) plus its value won't be as good with more subscription price increases in an attempt to claw back money they've blown on ridiculously expensive buyouts in recent years.
Well Xbox games do work better on the PS5, it is time for Xbox to give up and let Sony and Nintendo show them how gaming is done 👍
Lol sony bots on it again
I own a switch with a huge library I enjoy but compared to series x the switch looks like a potato
I'll stick with my Steam Deck
These guys are smart, but saying its MS 'exiting the console market' is just dumb. They're just trying to appeal to the billions of other casuals out there that haven't bought a console or don't plan to. They are fully aware the local experience is still ideal.
Problem is no one will be str8 with you/consumers! Only people who have both KNOW there is no comparison not only does every multiplat look and run better on PS the exclusives whether rebooted or not are miles beyond X. Hellblade 2 is not the graphics powerhouse they claim been seeing faces and pores and expressions since Uncharted 4. One day someone will tell the real truth, but ppl picked a side and can’t cope with the fact MS has done nothing but lie sounded good on paper but didn’t translate to the real world. The games are about to put everyone on notice Starting with WuKong and AstroBot then Phantom blade, Judas and whatever else they’ve been cooking in silence.
No, ms doesn’t care about Xbox as a console platform anymore. Haven’t for years. That’s why the included pc gaming as Xbox a long time ago.
@@akawhut lol ok whatever you say akawhut.
@@reelroyalevizion800 IKR! Every single multiplat too! The PS5 is a dmn powerhouse! #wedontneedaPS5Pro
Hi Guess The Bosses at Xbox , have their heads in the cloud , I Guess there looking for that Silver Lining 👍
"there" = a location / "they're" = they are
@@hatchetman3662I’m more curious as to the seemingly random capitalization. The man is a grammatical enigma
Executives usually live completely out of the reality for most people. They tend to fail understanding what is going on in the market.
@@balaam_7087 they must be German. Auf Wiedersehen!
Glad I sold my series x for a steam deck.
While I still have my series X, admittedly it does collect dust. I mostly game on my PlayStation, however, my wife and I got a steam deck and it is very quickly becoming our favorite thing to play. Steam deck is probably our new favorite thing.
maybe 1% of the world have internet fast enough for this to not feel like crap
Uh no all you need is 1000mbps lol
1%? really? lmao man please stop it
@@deadlyx that's like 80 million people so I am being generous. Math is hard huh?
@@Pow3r-Up i think its super higher than that
20Mb is all you need.
Nots for Xbox games, it’s more for the phones and indies games……
I got one today, installed the app, tried it, wiped it and posted it back for a refund. Even with wifi 6E and a fast fibre connection, the performance was appalling.
I'd say it's either the strength of your device when it comes to decoding data, how close you are to a data center, both, or something else. Main reason I say that is because I run at a measly 20mb w/an outdated router and the line is an old broadband line, but I've had a blast playing Halo and Forza. My nephew believes in PC gaming wholeheartedly, but when I asked him to try it when I was playing, he couldn't believe it. It was like we were playing locally.
@@ME-yb2lmI’d be inclined to agree with you, but cloud gaming on my XSS is a much better experience. Not perfect, but much less laggy than on the fire stick.
I mostly use Xcloud on my S22 and don't play really fast action games but RPGs and slower-paced games and it's been great. While not ideal, the latency on the Xcloud is much better than that of the PS streaming.
If you want image quality, get the console or pc🤷♂️ this is a cheap alternative for folks who don't have money to spend. This is a win win for everyone 🤷♂️
It's not Xbox on fire stick. It's gamepass on fire stick. So you DO need a console or PC to play games not on game pass. Want to play re 4 on the fire stick? Can't unless they add it to gamepass. And seeing how most game pass games are not the AAA games people expect MS will lose big
I missed the days when Microsoft had the Xbox consoles as the number 1 priority, now they are just another option like mobile and cloud for people to get into their ecosystem. I can’t help but feel that it’s a massive disrespect for Microsoft’s console fanbase, as a PlayStation fan/gamer I wouldn’t want Sony to advertise not to get a PlayStation console.
Game streaming is virtually unplayable especially for stuff like platformers. The input delay ruins it.
The problem with Microsoft's 'long-term thinking' strategy is: a) they drop the ball in the short and medium terms and therefore make themselves irrelevant before 'long-term' ever arrives; and b) they're terrible at predicting long-term trends anyway (e.g. motion controls, always online, games as netflix).
Today: Microsoft Axes An Entire DEI Team Claiming “DEI Programs Everywhere Are No Longer Business Critical Or Smart As They Were In 2020”
The service is still classified as being in beta, after some 4+ years.
I still don't understand why they don't give the user options to select from a range of bitrates even if it's locked to 1080p.
The only other thing coming that might improve things is the new controllers from Xbox which connect directly to the WiFi
An Xbox controller is $65 right now, and a fire stick with a controller is $68 plus a 1 month Game Pass ultimate. Thanks to Amazon Prime day. I am 100% buying this for my girlfriend who barely plays video games. but even if it wasn't for her, $3 more for a fire stick is definitely worth it.
I’d actually like to see Xbox become more of a console next gen, and break away from being more PC. Specifically I’d like to see silicon focused around ML powered graphics which PCs don’t yet have (more exotic than what you’d find in an RTX GPU).
Might as well buy physical games games still at the same resolution
2:53 yes, yes you do know. Lol we all know.
It definitely is not.
People all over North America still complain about internet quality. What about other countries? Countries with worse internet then NA?
This isn't smart
North America has some of the worst internet in the developed world. If you have worse than the US, you probably shouldn't be buying into cloud. Common sense isn't so common anymore though.
@@zxZethxz that's my point. If their biggest demographic doesn't have the required internet needed for this to work properly...well why is this even being discussed?
We are no where near a point where playing a mp match on cod as an example, over a streaming service, will ever be acceptable, let alone the preferred way to play
stadia tried, this one i dunno maybe it will just exist.
Cloud streaming in its current state is a supplemental feature, not the main focus. If you have an Xbox, you can now play it in another room. Until internet speeds and Wi-Fi latency improves for more people, this is how it will be. No one will only play via streaming when there are so many reasonably priced alternatives.
They seem to be moving away from the console market making buying an Xbox less appealing. Meanwhile they are increasing the price of Game Pass with worse tiers and a subpar streaming service making that service less appealing.
What in the world is going on over there at Microsoft? For people that identify as “gamers” they seem clueless, even for corporate suits they seem clueless.
The quality on the fire stick is not bad, but for a cheaper display and stereo sound. If you want higher resolution, HDR. 5.1 sound VRR you want the console.
Idk I can game on my phone an tv perfectly fine the occasional lag but other then that it's great honestly
Microsoft itself steadily grew in the background behind Apple and Amazon to overtake them in valuation almost entirely from its SAAS and services library. There's zero doubt Xbox will be a service platform within 5-8 years. They will essentially hold their studios ransom.