Fascinating! A hand powered impact driver is a new idea for me. One of the many reasons why I enjoy your channel is because you showcase interesting tools like this. Thank you.
This has been around for decades, the early ones had no springs and worked in both directions. Frankly, it's an outdated overpriced and essentially useless tool today.
Ya this is a pretty old idea. You can buy one that will work for 10 bucks. Definitely not something you will need all the time so probably wouldn't spend the money on a wera one. Just my advice.
@@squirts1 An old idea yes, and overpriced in this case, but hardly useless. Manual impact drivers are the ideal tool for removing partially stripped screws, and I think that is their main use today.
@@danstheman33 I've never nor have I ever seen or heard anyone use this type of tool for extracting damaged fasteners. It's certainly not "ideal" or the go to tool for such a scenario. The only way you could consider this ideal is if it's the only tool you have. I stand by my previous statement, you're welcome to put one in your tool kit.
This would work great for breaking loose those flat retaining screws on Honda disk brakes. Those screws aren't torqued very much, but over time and with heat and rust, they can be a pain to get out without a tool like this.
No, Wera are Phillips. Not JIS. Wera don’t make Japanese Industrial Standard screwdrivers or bits. You have to get Vessel, Tone, Koken or some other Japanese brand.
@@davehaggerty3405 Actually wera makes a lot of tools for the japanese market, but they are very rare outside of Japan. I recently found a channel, Bzeug, and very informative videos about Japanese tools. But I found out that wera is making special bits and tools exclusively for the japanese market.
In my experience I find it’s a little easier to apply a twisting force in the direction it’s impacting that way you don’t have to let go to let it reset. This way you can get 3-4 hits before you have to readjust your grip. Looks like a really cool tool
I have both impact drivers from Wera, they are awesome tools to have. For when screws and bolts are stuck and you don't wanne use electric powered tools. Oldscool impact drivers are a necessity when working on cars and bikes.... Always use the impact bits and to expand the grip I use sometimes grip spray (sort of sand/oil mix)
This is how I was taught to use a impact driver, turn it hard in the direction of rotation to take up any slack. This kind of tool is crucial for a motorcycle toolkit.
@@danstheman33 The Wera user manual for this particular tool instructed not to exert any force, and do not twist the impact driver when using the feature. Let the tool do its job. Breaks loose upto 25 Nm as stated.
You should try Milwaukee surge. It is an oil bath pulse driver instead of a traditional hammer mechanism. The torque control can be finessed much better. And it is quiet. It is one of my favorite tools.
It is a good tool, I also have the older metal version which uses shorter bits but is providing more torque. This one is more easy to use, and the bits are very good quality. Also an imperial set is available with Robertson bits. It is very useful in maintenance work, especially on damaged fasteners. It offers more control and I prefer this tool over the battery powered one, you can easily adjust the torque with the hammer.
Might pick that up for torx. My current go to for impact had screws is the set of Vessel Impacta. The JIS +3 on rotors and the PZ2 and PZ3 (90% of stuck screws I deal with are PZ - thanks Land Rover) work well. I have had luck using battery impacts to remove stuck screws, but I use normal not torsion bits (like the Milwaukee you showed) because I figure the torsion part limits torque (like a torque stick for lug nuts), but I don’t know.
There's a reason I think WERA did not include a few nut drivers in this kit. These types of tools give downward and rotational force, using a nut driver, socket or similar would give only rotational force unless the driver does not extend down the face of the fastener. Just my take on it, had one all along and did not know what it was for and now I've ordered a ¼ inch version.
It's a bit funny to me how a tool that has been existing for a while now its treated like a new tool invention just because an expensive brand sells it, yes of course it is probably a bit higher quality but not so far from mainstream brands with possibly half the price offerings. I am guilty though of falling into the "treating different" certain products just because they costed me more money of what the should've.
45° of turn is a lot for a hand impact driver. I like the Wera although its very expensive compared to other high end options. A reduced turn each strike would or should increase torque significantly. Many only turn 10-20°.
That’s awesome. I’ve been in the market for impact screwdrivers for a while. I’ve been thinking about picking up the vessel Philips and flathead ones, but I love the idea of one that can use any 1/4 inch bit. This might be the winner!
Nice Vid. Nice Impact Screwdriver from Wera. You also have the Option of using a Wrench with this Driver. If you lock the Impactmechanism you can use the Hexprofile on the tip in Combination with a Wrench on stuck Screws and Bolts and therefore have much Leverforce. I hope you did understand my Explanation because my English is not that good. 😉
honda bike shop had these back in the 70's, seen several from shop that worked on Trail 90's and what not. Philips type screws were popular fastener for assembly I guess.
Disappointed that it's not reversible. My most stuck screw is reverse threaded. Looks way handier and useful than my current one except that. I think you glossed over why these are used and a lot of people don't get them. An impact gun will just eat the fastener and a wrench or breaker bar will break the head off. This gives you a chance to break it off because it offers feel-controlled downward+lateral force at the same time and can break a stuck screw without breaking or destroying it, sometimes
I think it's a pretty and very well built tool. But does it really worth having a manual impact driver when we have a much more powerful and faster cordless impact driver?
Doc, you need to try the Anex 397 ratcheting driver. It’s the same shape as vessel, but it is the best designed ratcheting driver I have ever used. It replaced the PB Swiss tools twister in my tool kit.
I think I would pick this set up of it had more electrician specific bit included like a square/Robertson or an EXC/combination bit still not sure what to call that one because it doesn't seem to be an industry standard
A manual impact driver is used for removing frozen/seized/rusted fasteners. Been around for decades. Auto guys use it all the time, or used to before battery impacts came along. For partially stripped heads, there are vastly better ways of removing them than this.
I have a different brand of impact hand-screwdriver, I don't know the name. The problem with the one I have is it's sort of short and secondly I don't use it that often so when I do use it I have to sit there and figure out which way to set to take stuck screws out and not drive them in further.
would be good to see how it compares to any competitors (most popular ones). Does any manual impact driver like this exist with a ratcheting feature? would make it the ultimate screwdriver. Just needs bit storage in the handle honestly.
This is a weak and expensive version of a tool that is made to unstick dangerous to strip or stuck fasteners, classic example is the small screws holding car brake discs in place. The shock unstucks the bolt without danger of breaking or stripping. The classic tool is all metal, takes 5/16 bits and the good examples are from Koken or Gedore, all sub $100. Theres a generic taiwanese version (eg Force or Unior) which works quite well for 20-25 bucks. And no, the electric impact won't do the same job.
Idea Is actually great but poorly executed, I used the slotted bit in order to remove an old rusted wood screw not even striking hard and the bit broke right away. I also have a similar product from Hazet (2272/23N) which is a lot beefier than the one from Wera. I have to give it another shot maybe with other brand bits.
Those impact rated milwaukee bits are the biggest piece of junk ever. Wouldn't last a day. My old Hilmor set is 10 years strong and still kicking screws around
It might work, but this was no real scenario so there's no way to tell by watching this video. Personally I would only want this to be an impact tool, because adding another feature makes only more ways for it to break. Just a gimmick in my eyes.
Much of this tool's life will likely be spent as a regular bit driver in an overloading kit. The impact feature is a plus. Other impacts really don't play well as regular bit drivers.
This technology would have been useful before power tools, not after. You can literally purchase Bosch 12v impact and drill driver with battery for $10 more. The driver would be somewhat useful if it wasn't so bulky. It's a waste of money in my opinion. Tell me one thing it can do that a cordless drill can't?
@@lastbesttool no battery is a + in a pinch I suppose. The space issue isn't really valid because you still have to strike it with a hammer. A drill actually takes up less space in that case. It may weigh less but a drill isn't necessarily heavy. I'm trying to be honest and reasonable here. I really can't see much of a benefit here. Especially for a mechanic.
@@qzetu the primary benefit here is the combination of downward force plus rotational torque. cordless impact drivers only apply as much downward torque as you can push. these have a lot less of a chance of camming out. as a mechanic, i use a hand impact driver (not this exact one, i use a tekton) for brake rotor screws.
Here's one thing it can do that no cordless drill or electric impact driver can do: Deliver a very strong downward force pushing the driver bit into the fastener (preventing cam out), with the force of a hammer strike, while simultaneously providing rotational torque to the fastener. This tool, like other manual impact drivers / impact screwdrivers, is intended primarily to remove stuck or partially stripped fasteners, without stripping them further. Electric drill/drivers and impact drivers provide rotational torque only, which would cause the bit to cam out and/or strip the fastener further. This particular one might be overpriced (because you can get one that does the same thing for under $20..), but it's hardly useless, and performs an entirely separate function than any power tool.
Fascinating! A hand powered impact driver is a new idea for me. One of the many reasons why I enjoy your channel is because you showcase interesting tools like this. Thank you.
This has been around for decades, the early ones had no springs and worked in both directions. Frankly, it's an outdated overpriced and essentially useless tool today.
Ya this is a pretty old idea. You can buy one that will work for 10 bucks. Definitely not something you will need all the time so probably wouldn't spend the money on a wera one. Just my advice.
@@squirts1 An old idea yes, and overpriced in this case, but hardly useless. Manual impact drivers are the ideal tool for removing partially stripped screws, and I think that is their main use today.
@@danstheman33 I've never nor have I ever seen or heard anyone use this type of tool for extracting damaged fasteners. It's certainly not "ideal" or the go to tool for such a scenario. The only way you could consider this ideal is if it's the only tool you have. I stand by my previous statement, you're welcome to put one in your tool kit.
@@squirts1 works better than a battery impact driver not to chance screwing the screw up worse. Or drilling into it for the use of an extractor.
This would work great for breaking loose those flat retaining screws on Honda disk brakes. Those screws aren't torqued very much, but over time and with heat and rust, they can be a pain to get out without a tool like this.
No, Wera are Phillips. Not JIS.
Wera don’t make Japanese Industrial Standard screwdrivers or bits.
You have to get Vessel, Tone, Koken or some other Japanese brand.
Vessel impacta 3. And it's only like 12 dollars on Amazon
@@davehaggerty3405 Actually wera makes a lot of tools for the japanese market, but they are very rare outside of Japan. I recently found a channel, Bzeug, and very informative videos about Japanese tools. But I found out that wera is making special bits and tools exclusively for the japanese market.
@@davehaggerty3405 Honda doesn’t use JIS unless your taking about pre 80’s or pre 2008 JDM. Hondas have been made in Canada for many many years.
In my experience I find it’s a little easier to apply a twisting force in the direction it’s impacting that way you don’t have to let go to let it reset. This way you can get 3-4 hits before you have to readjust your grip. Looks like a really cool tool
It doesn't wiggle like other multibit drivers. That alone I'm considering to add Wera 921 to my collection.
Been waiting on your views on this
Thanks for the review
Might only use it a few times a year but when you need it you definitely need it 👍🏻
I have both impact drivers from Wera, they are awesome tools to have. For when screws and bolts are stuck and you don't wanne use electric powered tools. Oldscool impact drivers are a necessity when working on cars and bikes.... Always use the impact bits and to expand the grip I use sometimes grip spray (sort of sand/oil mix)
Whenever I use an impact driver I always torque it hard against the fastener before striking, it ensures full force is transfered.
I believe Wera actually says to do this in their instructions.
This is how I was taught to use a impact driver, turn it hard in the direction of rotation to take up any slack. This kind of tool is crucial for a motorcycle toolkit.
@@danstheman33 The Wera user manual for this particular tool instructed not to exert any force, and do not twist the impact driver when using the feature. Let the tool do its job. Breaks loose upto 25 Nm as stated.
You should try Milwaukee surge. It is an oil bath pulse driver instead of a traditional hammer mechanism. The torque control can be finessed much better. And it is quiet. It is one of my favorite tools.
th-cam.com/video/kwp5_YVyMdw/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/nPEo6_gPm98/w-d-xo.html
It is a good tool, I also have the older metal version which uses shorter bits but is providing more torque. This one is more easy to use, and the bits are very good quality. Also an imperial set is available with Robertson bits. It is very useful in maintenance work, especially on damaged fasteners. It offers more control and I prefer this tool over the battery powered one, you can easily adjust the torque with the hammer.
Might pick that up for torx. My current go to for impact had screws is the set of Vessel Impacta. The JIS +3 on rotors and the PZ2 and PZ3 (90% of stuck screws I deal with are PZ - thanks Land Rover) work well. I have had luck using battery impacts to remove stuck screws, but I use normal not torsion bits (like the Milwaukee you showed) because I figure the torsion part limits torque (like a torque stick for lug nuts), but I don’t know.
I think that is an awesome set, I've been looking at it for a while now. Now I know I will buy it. Thanx!
There's a reason I think WERA did not include a few nut drivers in this kit. These types of tools give downward and rotational force, using a nut driver, socket or similar would give only rotational force unless the driver does not extend down the face of the fastener. Just my take on it, had one all along and did not know what it was for and now I've ordered a ¼ inch version.
It's a bit funny to me how a tool that has been existing for a while now its treated like a new tool invention just because an expensive brand sells it, yes of course it is probably a bit higher quality but not so far from mainstream brands with possibly half the price offerings.
I am guilty though of falling into the "treating different" certain products just because they costed me more money of what the should've.
45° of turn is a lot for a hand impact driver. I like the Wera although its very expensive compared to other high end options. A reduced turn each strike would or should increase torque significantly. Many only turn 10-20°.
Wera states that is 40 degrees. Same diff though.
I have one of those and love it. I have a larger heavy steel version for those really rusted stuck stuff, but most of the time this one is plenty.
That’s awesome. I’ve been in the market for impact screwdrivers for a while. I’ve been thinking about picking up the vessel Philips and flathead ones, but I love the idea of one that can use any 1/4 inch bit. This might be the winner!
Thanks for a full review. That short was, lack luster.
that actually looks very useful, I can't justify a tool like that for my use but it is definitely cool.
Nice Vid. Nice Impact Screwdriver from Wera. You also have the Option of using a Wrench with this Driver. If you lock the Impactmechanism you can use the Hexprofile on the tip in Combination with a Wrench on stuck Screws and Bolts and therefore have much Leverforce. I hope you did understand my Explanation because my English is not that good. 😉
Thank you sir
honda bike shop had these back in the 70's, seen several from shop that worked on Trail 90's and what not. Philips type screws were popular fastener for assembly I guess.
Disappointed that it's not reversible. My most stuck screw is reverse threaded. Looks way handier and useful than my current one except that.
I think you glossed over why these are used and a lot of people don't get them. An impact gun will just eat the fastener and a wrench or breaker bar will break the head off. This gives you a chance to break it off because it offers feel-controlled downward+lateral force at the same time and can break a stuck screw without breaking or destroying it, sometimes
Wow that is so cool!! Hammer in and loosen the bolt?! Never thought of that
this is a bucket list tool for me. i don’t have any reason for owning one but i could find one eventually😂
How does this set compare to Wera’s 2090/17 90 Nm Impact Driver 17-Pieces Set, 5/16-inch Size?
I think it's a pretty and very well built tool.
But does it really worth having a manual impact driver when we have a much more powerful and faster cordless impact driver?
Doc, you need to try the Anex 397 ratcheting driver. It’s the same shape as vessel, but it is the best designed ratcheting driver I have ever used. It replaced the PB Swiss tools twister in my tool kit.
I think I would pick this set up of it had more electrician specific bit included like a square/Robertson or an EXC/combination bit still not sure what to call that one because it doesn't seem to be an industry standard
A manual impact driver is used for removing frozen/seized/rusted fasteners. Been around for decades. Auto guys use it all the time, or used to before battery impacts came along. For partially stripped heads, there are vastly better ways of removing them than this.
I have a different brand of impact hand-screwdriver, I don't know the name. The problem with the one I have is it's sort of short and secondly I don't use it that often so when I do use it I have to sit there and figure out which way to set to take stuck screws out and not drive them in further.
Do like he showed, put the tip against a hard surface and press, you'll see it rotate.
would be good to see how it compares to any competitors (most popular ones). Does any manual impact driver like this exist with a ratcheting feature? would make it the ultimate screwdriver. Just needs bit storage in the handle honestly.
great video ! can you use this bits with regular rapidaptor or other hex screwdriver socket ?
Why not just use your battery powered impact?
Is that a Fiskars deadblow hammer with the orange handle?
Fiskars drilling hammer: th-cam.com/video/LTpJaAthun4/w-d-xo.html
No Robertson bits?
It doesn't come with Robertsons, but you can use any regular or larger 1/4 hex bit with it. Impact bits are probably safer.
I think an imperial set is also available which contains Robertson bits.
@@fuloplehel Thank you
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That is nice setup. We're are they made?
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This is a weak and expensive version of a tool that is made to unstick dangerous to strip or stuck fasteners, classic example is the small screws holding car brake discs in place. The shock unstucks the bolt without danger of breaking or stripping. The classic tool is all metal, takes 5/16 bits and the good examples are from Koken or Gedore, all sub $100. Theres a generic taiwanese version (eg Force or Unior) which works quite well for 20-25 bucks. And no, the electric impact won't do the same job.
check out the Koken impact driver. Its probably the best made impact out there
Link or model no.
Idea Is actually great but poorly executed, I used the slotted bit in order to remove an old rusted wood screw not even striking hard and the bit broke right away. I also have a similar product from Hazet (2272/23N) which is a lot beefier than the one from Wera. I have to give it another shot maybe with other brand bits.
Those impact rated milwaukee bits are the biggest piece of junk ever. Wouldn't last a day. My old Hilmor set is 10 years strong and still kicking screws around
It might work, but this was no real scenario so there's no way to tell by watching this video.
Personally I would only want this to be an impact tool, because adding another feature makes only more ways for it to break. Just a gimmick in my eyes.
That's a cool tool but for the same price I would buy that impact driver.
Much of this tool's life will likely be spent as a regular bit driver in an overloading kit. The impact feature is a plus. Other impacts really don't play well as regular bit drivers.
This technology would have been useful before power tools, not after. You can literally purchase Bosch 12v impact and drill driver with battery for $10 more. The driver would be somewhat useful if it wasn't so bulky. It's a waste of money in my opinion. Tell me one thing it can do that a cordless drill can't?
Point taken, but I'm thinking along the lines of overloading so 1) no battery needed, 2) takes up less space, and 3) weighs much less.
@@lastbesttool no battery is a + in a pinch I suppose. The space issue isn't really valid because you still have to strike it with a hammer. A drill actually takes up less space in that case. It may weigh less but a drill isn't necessarily heavy. I'm trying to be honest and reasonable here. I really can't see much of a benefit here. Especially for a mechanic.
@@qzetu the primary benefit here is the combination of downward force plus rotational torque. cordless impact drivers only apply as much downward torque as you can push. these have a lot less of a chance of camming out. as a mechanic, i use a hand impact driver (not this exact one, i use a tekton) for brake rotor screws.
Here's one thing it can do that no cordless drill or electric impact driver can do: Deliver a very strong downward force pushing the driver bit into the fastener (preventing cam out), with the force of a hammer strike, while simultaneously providing rotational torque to the fastener.
This tool, like other manual impact drivers / impact screwdrivers, is intended primarily to remove stuck or partially stripped fasteners, without stripping them further. Electric drill/drivers and impact drivers provide rotational torque only, which would cause the bit to cam out and/or strip the fastener further.
This particular one might be overpriced (because you can get one that does the same thing for under $20..), but it's hardly useless, and performs an entirely separate function than any power tool.