You need to trade Zach and Vooch. Also make decision about Coby-Ayo-Giddey backcourt. The money they will command, they would be backcourt of future. Are this good enough to be a contender at 3-4 years from now?
I wonder what the minimum return for Zach could be seen as a good value. Obviously, you'd want more than one FRP, but is one top five protected pick from a top-level team worth more than like two lotto protected picks from a team that is sitting at the edge of the play-in? I mean if the Magic give up this year's pick for him odds are that conveys no matter what but it will likely be a late first, vs a couple of lotto protected picks from a team like Miami where you might be able to bet on them conveying, but if something goes wrong on that team the picks end up just cycling around. So you get more picks on paper but they don't mean much in the end.
There have been team that have won titles with bad coaches brother. So while I get what you're saying winning a playoff series with a bad coach isn't rare depending on the roster
@@ChiBullsCentral Yeah. With Kevin Durant. The Bulls don't have Kevin Durant or a Kevin Durant type of closer on this team. And we haven't for a very long time. Chicago is not the right place for Billy Donovan anymore. The longer Billy Donovan remains as the Bulls Head Coach the more time is wasted. Year after year.
The Bulls were worse playing at home last season, too. I just don't get it. Why is it so much harder for the Bulls to win games in front of the home crowd????
The Bulls will collapse as a team, if Vooch is traded. I had hoped Jalen Smith would fill the void but so far he's proven to be nothing more than a backup who misses too many 3's. And Sanogo is another undersized center with no shooting range. Unless, Vooch is traded for another big I see no reason to move him now.
@@ChiBullsCentral If a player avgs 21 pts and 10 rebs he's excused from playing defense. He gets a pass from me. There's 4 other players on the court and either they lift their avgs to 20 and 10 or they play hellafide defense and make stops. Adding a rim protector who doesn't score won't help the Bulls win more games. Not in this new era of 3 pt shooting, floor spacing basketball.
@ecobean3440 that may quite possibly be the most idiotic thing you've said ever and you've said some pretty stupid things. You could try to say he's excused from playing lockdown defense but no amount of points excuses playing any defense. Also who said doesn't score at all see when you rush to respond and lack the comprehension of simple things it makes your points look weaker. Khaman Maluach absolutely has a higher ceiling than Vooch because of his ability to play two ways, still stretch the floor and play solid defense. This era of Floor spacing is EXACTLY why a open way player isn't excused on playing defense.
They won at little Caesars arena talk about a statement game! Get Zach "no dog in em" lavine off my team already I can't take these meaningless wins anymore.
The front office failed at everything except drafting Coby. Pat=bust, Zo=injury prone, Demar=got us no where, Vooch=no all star appearances as a Bull. Dont get me started on Dalen Terry. The list goes on. This team is 🗑🤢
Funny how intellectually dishonest you are, claiming Vuc has no all-star appearances as a Bull despite averaging 19PPG & 10.5R in his time in Chicago which would have been good enough if 2 other guys weren't ahead of him on his own team in Demar and Zach. Also interesting how NOT being an all-star is a fault for Vuc but still criticise Demar despite him being a two-time all-star here while being top in clutch scoring, always available and for a short time in MVP consideration. Funny how Pat is a bust despite NOONE outside of LaMelo Ball and Anthony Edwards being a better player so far in the top 10 of that draft. James Wiseman anyone? Don't get you started on Terry? He's played 112 games, most of which has been at around 10MPG so let's not get carried away about him. Did you forget they drafted Ayo in the 2nd round or what about Julian Philips? By all accounts Buzelis is going to be a solid player and everyone was in agreement about that pick too. Blaming the front office for Zo's injury is ridiculous, by that logic it's the last front offices fault Derrick Rose got injured so maybe we shouldn't of drafted him either? GTFOH!
@tomt5482 Zach was out pretty much the second half of the season, which is why Coby had a chance to improve. That being said, with Zach being out, what excuse do you have for Vouch down year. You act like teams have never had 3 Allstars buddy. Demar making all star appearances did nothing for the Bulls. Ayo is good, Terry, no, Julian Philips, we will see. Where was my dis honesty. Lonzo was injured on two teams prior to the Bulls, and to leverage so much on him was a risky bet, which is not paying dividends. Again, where is my lie?
Your ceiling is bubble play with Vuc and Zach. It's good as it's going to get, in the middle of the pack. Not participating in the playoffs or the Draft. They live in no man's land!
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lol we need that Giddey Triple Double on the DOUBLE
You need to trade Zach and Vooch. Also make decision about Coby-Ayo-Giddey backcourt. The money they will command, they would be backcourt of future. Are this good enough to be a contender at 3-4 years from now?
Zach Assisted a lot in First half too. Remember that & he rebounded in Firet half as well
I wonder what the minimum return for Zach could be seen as a good value. Obviously, you'd want more than one FRP, but is one top five protected pick from a top-level team worth more than like two lotto protected picks from a team that is sitting at the edge of the play-in? I mean if the Magic give up this year's pick for him odds are that conveys no matter what but it will likely be a late first, vs a couple of lotto protected picks from a team like Miami where you might be able to bet on them conveying, but if something goes wrong on that team the picks end up just cycling around. So you get more picks on paper but they don't mean much in the end.
The Bulls don't have a good enough Head Coach to win a Playoffs Series. Regardless of who's on the Bulls roster or not. That's just facts. 💯
There have been team that have won titles with bad coaches brother. So while I get what you're saying winning a playoff series with a bad coach isn't rare depending on the roster
@ChiBullsCentral I fully understand what you're saying, Haize. I do. But none of those bad teams had Billy Donovan as their Head Coach, bro.
True in some cases they had coaches worse and BD has won playoff series before brother.
@@ChiBullsCentral Yeah. With Kevin Durant. The Bulls don't have Kevin Durant or a Kevin Durant type of closer on this team. And we haven't for a very long time. Chicago is not the right place for Billy Donovan anymore. The longer Billy Donovan remains as the Bulls Head Coach the more time is wasted. Year after year.
@Beenboutit075 Actually, no, it wouldn't. You be surprised just how many teams actually get better when a horrible Head Coach gets fired.
I just hope we can make a deal. Bec I don’t think teams want to pay our guys plus give up a young assets to get them.
If they end up trading Vuc, I would like to see P.Will play the five on the offensive end, essentially taking his spot in the offense.
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I just found out Montrezl Harrell is playing NBL in Australia....he popped up on my feed because he nearly had a fight with the crowd😂😂😂😂
The Bulls were worse playing at home last season, too. I just don't get it. Why is it so much harder for the Bulls to win games in front of the home crowd????
Must be Billy Donovan
The Bulls will collapse as a team, if Vooch is traded. I had hoped Jalen Smith would fill the void but so far he's proven to be nothing more than a backup who misses too many 3's. And Sanogo is another undersized center with no shooting range. Unless, Vooch is traded for another big I see no reason to move him now.
There’s plenty of bigs in next years draft with higher ceilings than Vucevic or anyone else we can trade for.
@@Anouar-xd3zq Name 2 centers in next years draft that will put up 20 and 10 every game.
Eco higher ceiling isn't just one side of the Ballare ven the same averages man you know what he means bro
@@ChiBullsCentral If a player avgs 21 pts and 10 rebs he's excused from playing defense. He gets a pass from me.
There's 4 other players on the court and either they lift their avgs to 20 and 10 or they play hellafide defense and make stops.
Adding a rim protector who doesn't score won't help the Bulls win more games. Not in this new era of 3 pt shooting, floor spacing basketball.
@ecobean3440 that may quite possibly be the most idiotic thing you've said ever and you've said some pretty stupid things. You could try to say he's excused from playing lockdown defense but no amount of points excuses playing any defense.
Also who said doesn't score at all see when you rush to respond and lack the comprehension of simple things it makes your points look weaker. Khaman Maluach absolutely has a higher ceiling than Vooch because of his ability to play two ways, still stretch the floor and play solid defense.
This era of Floor spacing is EXACTLY why a open way player isn't excused on playing defense.
Spicy Denzel Valentine is an incredible nick name for Duarte
Yes or No…Salaries being equal…Would you consider trading Patrick Williams for Daniel Gafford? Why or Why not.
As a die hard fan, this does nothing for my morale
I dont mine trading voc but dont want daft picks we need scoring
Then you're missing what they would be trading him for.
Lets make it Big 3 1/2. Lavine, Vooch, Coby and Pat Will. 😂
To all sky is falling Chicago Bulls fans I ask you to go watch the Denver Nuggets play when Jokic is unavailable. I'll leave it there.
They won at little Caesars arena talk about a statement game! Get Zach "no dog in em" lavine off my team already I can't take these meaningless wins anymore.
The front office failed at everything except drafting Coby. Pat=bust, Zo=injury prone, Demar=got us no where, Vooch=no all star appearances as a Bull. Dont get me started on Dalen Terry. The list goes on. This team is 🗑🤢
This front office didn’t even draft Coby lol.
@ChiBullsCentral thanks for strengthening my point!
Funny how intellectually dishonest you are, claiming Vuc has no all-star appearances as a Bull despite averaging 19PPG & 10.5R in his time in Chicago which would have been good enough if 2 other guys weren't ahead of him on his own team in Demar and Zach.
Also interesting how NOT being an all-star is a fault for Vuc but still criticise Demar despite him being a two-time all-star here while being top in clutch scoring, always available and for a short time in MVP consideration.
Funny how Pat is a bust despite NOONE outside of LaMelo Ball and Anthony Edwards being a better player so far in the top 10 of that draft. James Wiseman anyone?
Don't get you started on Terry? He's played 112 games, most of which has been at around 10MPG so let's not get carried away about him. Did you forget they drafted Ayo in the 2nd round or what about Julian Philips? By all accounts Buzelis is going to be a solid player and everyone was in agreement about that pick too.
Blaming the front office for Zo's injury is ridiculous, by that logic it's the last front offices fault Derrick Rose got injured so maybe we shouldn't of drafted him either?
GTFOH!
@tomt5482 Zach was out pretty much the second half of the season, which is why Coby had a chance to improve. That being said, with Zach being out, what excuse do you have for Vouch down year. You act like teams have never had 3 Allstars buddy. Demar making all star appearances did nothing for the Bulls. Ayo is good, Terry, no, Julian Philips, we will see. Where was my dis honesty. Lonzo was injured on two teams prior to the Bulls, and to leverage so much on him was a risky bet, which is not paying dividends. Again, where is my lie?
Your ceiling is bubble play with Vuc and Zach. It's good as it's going to get, in the middle of the pack. Not participating in the playoffs or the Draft. They live in no man's land!
Vooch doesn't play defense, soft on the boards. Centers and PF should be dogs on the boards.
Vooch is literally one of the best rebounders in the league over the last 5 years. So what are you talking about?
With Zach and vooch it's addition by subtraction
What kind of "record" is that? Lmao😅