Depression, from a Jungian perspective, can be seen as a profound gift because it compels the individual to confront the unconscious, shedding light on shadow aspects of the psyche that often remain hidden in the busyness of daily life. It is a call from the soul, urging us to turn inward and reassess the values, goals, and roles that no longer serve our true self. Much like alchemical Nigredo - the dark, chaotic stage preceding transformation - depression strips away illusions, leaving us bare to the deeper truths within. This descent into the underworld is not a punishment but a necessary journey, a liminal space where healing and wholeness are cultivated. When approached with curiosity and care, depression can guide us toward a richer, more authentic life, connecting us with the numinous and the archetypal patterns that shape our inner world. It is the psyche's invitation to growth, an initiation into the mystery of becoming.
I'm not sure I agree with you; there is a tendency for individuals to over-estimate their agency over History, Economy, Social change and Industrialization. Maybe you will find your 'tribe' your 'niche' your group of like-minded people, with a similar outlook and values, etc., but you are dealing with massive external social forces that undermine this every step of the way. And that is the contrast between part of a given social, tribal identity versus large groups of faceless individuals who are as foreign to you as you to them, without the slightest iota of interest or responsibility to you and responsibility for themselves. This is, what I believe she was getting at.
@@vladvlog9677 Thank you for your perspective, it’s a valid and important point. I agree that massive external social forces often feel overwhelming and beyond individual agency. These forces can indeed create a sense of alienation and fracture tribal or communal bonds, leaving individuals feeling disconnected from both others and themselves. That said, I see this as part of the tension we all must navigate - the interplay between the external forces shaping our lives and our internal capacity to respond to them. While we can’t control the larger tides of history, we can grow our awareness, find like-minded people, and create spaces, however small, where values, meaning, and a sense of connection can exist. It’s not about overestimating personal agency but about reclaiming what influence we do have in shaping our inner lives and the communities we participate in. I think this balance - between acknowledging the weight of external forces and recognizing the power of inner transformation - is key to navigating these challenges. It's also worth remembering that there is often more at play than we can see, and our efforts may have a greater impact than we can fully comprehend.
@ Thank you for your comments. I don't have any issue with the gist of what you are saying; we are compelled to seek out connection, belonging and identity - things that can only be found in our 'Tribe.' It is in our nature to do so, just as it is in our nature to be agentic and establish context. The majority of the present and recent past generations have never experienced the type of sedentary, stable 'Family Village living' as it's a thing of the past. No matter what individuals do personally, has not worked, so saying it's a question of navigating the inner with outer, sounds too naïve for me; the forces are way too strong, moving in a very particular direction. The individual is more alone, isolated and alienated than he has ever been before, because the effects of these external forces are its consequences. There are no formulas to life.
I was psychotically depressed, full on delusions and fits of rage for over a year, and it forced me to make sense of my life. It cut me away from all my friends and anyone I could rely on. I took a series of courageous steps forward, not knowing the direction I was going. I gained a bunch of knowledge online during this time and now, I'm not even the same person I was 10 months ago... I have direction and meaning and even faith in God. Which is also a massive boon to overcoming insecurity. Im not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but small steps forward become exponential. I was fighting the embarressment of all the things Ive said and done along the way. Ive made mistakes that people would surely think I was insane. But I believe I am on the road to making something of myself and wont settle for less than what I always knew was possible within me. Overcoming an abusive father and a smothering mother. I have found balance and confidence.
Her village story made me smile. I don't aspire to be invited into people's homes, but a neighbor asking if I would like a rooster for the pot (because they had one too many) made me heave a sigh of happiness.
I could never understand the mentality some people have in the modern age where they think staying to live and work in your hometown makes you some sort of "loser". What's so bad about wanting to stay within your community your entire family came from and where you have spent your whole life forming relationships?
As she says,war is a big reason people are forced from their home towns/villages. In the past, famines and extreme poverty split communties and forced familys apart. Had this not happened, most countries wouldn't exist in the form they do today. Its a never ending cycle. If everythings fine at home then its usually the 'dreamer' who wants to move away from the community to find adventure or maybe move away from a toxic stagnate family life.
@@Desrayyy_ That's a weird reply. Staying in your hometown can be a profound act of authenticity, allowing you to deepen your connection to your roots and align with your inner truth. Individuation isn’t about external validation but about living in harmony with what nurtures your soul, whether that’s staying or venturing elsewhere.
@@Desrayyy_ "Potential" is often overrated. Most people aren't big artists or powerful entrepreneurs who constantly need to be where the action is. If you're average, as most people are, then the anonymity and atomization that come with modern urban life aren't necessarily outweighed by its advantages.
@@solb101 some people have a low pain tolerance and almost squirm like a child when they face their hell. Maybe they would find nothing of value there anyway as their screams would be too distracting.
@@David-g3d No. Socrates said KNOW THYSELF. That was centuries before JP. The Tao Te Ching mentions knowing self. Also the bible speaks of self mastery. Nietzsche addresses the issue. And other philosophers have written and spoken of self knowledge. It's an old old old human problem.
Or " the hell within " would prefer that face off instead of removing it with some " magic product " . That would kind of negate it wouldnt it? Too easy
it‘s also culture. someone has a bad thought and thinks „SH*T i got this depression thing“ and automatically „acts“ the part. laying in bed, never smiling etc.
Her points are well taken: the Machine has been waging war on the family -- both nuclear and extended -- for centuries. And now we are a fractured species, lost in our egos and their delusions.
I love this way of looking at things! I must confess, I never looked at depression as a blessing, but the way she put it...what an opportunity to get to know oneself.
as someone who grew up without a father, the narrative of me being the son of a widow and being the follow-up of a disappearing generation really spoke out to me that could very well be one of the many reasons why I'm depressed, as it has been a cause for a fair amount of the trauma in my life, so I can really relate to this narrative and fittingly enough, with my two life goals being happiness with my life and finding love, the idea of building a family and community appeals to me a lot, definitely more so than the "sigma grindset hustle culture" narrative that most people my age believe in
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I hope it’s ok to suggest something on your channel but one of the subjects which has helped me through depression is the depth of Psychological Astrology, particularly books by Dr Liz Greene who is a Zurich-trained Jungian analyst. Jung’s daughter, by the way, became an astrologer and Jung was very aware of those deep cultural roots. A helpful website to find a birth chart is Astrodienst, which is based in Zurich. Anyway, what I wanted to get across is that transits of the outer planets - particularly Pluto and Saturn - can help us to understand the powerful, sometimes destructive changes that are going on and so we might not be subsumed by the ‘blacknesses’ which seem to descend from nowhere: ie we can work WITH them and not be defeated by them. Especially if we know the transit will last for a year or two, and that we would be wise to submit rather than resist the changes. For any Jungian who has more than a passing interest in astrology, archetypes, fate, myth, alchemical stages, depression etc Liz Greene’s work will shine insight on the process of individuation from a planetary perspective.
Her book 'Dynamics of the Unconscious' has a chapter detailing the nature of depression in its developmental sense, particularly emphasizing the Alchemist's insistence of the necessity of a depression as a prerequisite for Psychological integration and growth. Certainly, Liz Greene's work does run very deep and it can stir people up! She does poke the Dragon, and the Unconscious has a tendency to retaliate.
I see her point and it's true to a degree of rural and village - however it's a rather idealistic view too. There's a lot of suppression in small community, a lot of enduring intolerable people - small dictators often rule and people get away with things, because there's no escaping them. The worse they are, the less they care about any push back. So it's not always balanced out, sometimes people are just trapped.
It depends a lot on the specific village, I think. The little place where I live has none of those problems. But it isn't very isolated, so maybe that keeps the would-be dictators in line.
Thank you for this! A small community can become hell, in social and psychological sense. That tree-cutting episode she was talking about - it sounds so passive-aggressive 😬tnx but no tnx Also, being stuck in the same dynamic yr whole life, I think it stunts the individual development, at least to some degree. To move, to change the scenery and the context, doesn't mean to uproot yrself. She talks about extremes (war, fall of the communist regime). But just like with everything, there's a healthy balance
@@DivergentIntegral yes I think it varies a lot, just like families do, they can differ dramatically. I'm sure she'd have plenty of interesting things to say about that and is making a general point. I think those huge cultural shifts she spoke about also probably had a variety of impacts, some become rootless, but I imagine that for others they found more than they lost, it may have allowed them to escape tyranny and constrained circumstances or an allocated role, and find a home and belonging for the first time.
As a German I am very happy about what she says at the beginning of the video: German people were and still are extremely uprooted and traumatized by the effects of WWII. The effects of how the Boomers were brought up can be seen and felt in Germany. This has never been publicly discussed in Germany, or at least not enough. What always had priority was the guilt of the Germans, up until today!
And what about the rest of Europe that was drawn into war. The so called guilt Germans are living just made them living in denial about everything actually.
Agreed! If I were to be honest, I never liked the pain of life. But it is precisely that pain, in whatever form it takes, that gives us the most invaluable lessons that life has to give. If it weren't for the hardships of the past, I wouldn't have discovered the peace of Meditation, and thus wouldn't have turned inwards to face myself. There will come a time in our lives when external circumstances become so unbearable, that it forces us to either turn within, or continue to live an even more grandiose lie.
Wow wisdom😲, as long as things goes well, you run away from yourself. That is exactly what I was doing many years, untill my mummy dead and my business got broken.
Good News! i discovered that the brain/body is capable of setting itself Totally Free of fear, anxiety, sorrow, despair, loneliness, shame, guilt, confusion, contradictions, addictions, irritations, triggers, vanity, envy, greed, jealousy, attachment, possessiveness, ill-will, hatred, cruelty, bias, prejudice, and all other mental/emotional disturbances, in each and every moment of daily life, 24/7.
This gives birth to True Love, Peace, Happiness, Creativity, & Clarity, for the very first time. Not the love, peace, happiness, that the I, the me, the self, the thinker, the mind, imagines it to be, which is a limitation, imitation, and distortion. For the very first time, Soul is happening, Spirit is happening, Heart is happening. It is not temporary. It is happening in each & every moment of daily life, 24/7. It does not take time. It has nothing whatsoever to do with time, effort, or choice. It occurs faster than the speed of light. The children are ready to be set Totally Free at the earliest age so they don't waste their whole life with any mental/emotional disturbances.
It just happens to destroy your ability to perceive clearly, no big deal. A heart attack can force you to reevaluate too but it might also become a chronic problem or one that kills you swiftly.
@@bluemamba5317 Correct, that's from literally speakimg pov. But that said, I am the embodiment of what I just said. When your loaded down with the materailistic things that only money can buy, with all it glorious disappaintment, you literally you have nothing to look forward to, apart from your next purchase, whilst getting further and further away from your truely, ingenious, creative and glorious self.
Watch this space! Did you know that Jung treated the spirtual You. That is he conversed with departed. At his Childhood dinner table, there places set for family members that weren't physically there, but wete spiritually. Modern day psychology, is mainly based upon writtings, by persons and individuals, who were of thier nut on a concoction of heroin and cocaine, called 7% pure as written about(indirectly reveal) in the Telegragh, by Arthur Conan Doyle; as in Sherlock Homes; "Eliminate the impossible, so therefore, what You've got left, must be true!"
I agree that familiarity in communities and close knit relationships near family is beneficial but I also have benefited from new friends and framily. And the majority of folks I have pushed out of the snow or pushed me out of the snow have been total strangers ❤
Gossip is the grapevine. Excellent, thank you ✌️ Depression is a sign a person's out of tune with who they really are. And everything under the sun is in tune But the Sun is eclipsed by the moon. P.F.
Never saw depression from This point of view, it’s specially funny to me right now because its what Ive been experiencing for the second time in my life I should say, just diagnosed with a shitty injury, but this is pushing me to go where in the past I knew i should go, and make the changes that my body and life needs to recover, the injury takes most of my energy since it is in the spine, but this depression and perspective changes give me the energy to push for the changes needed. I am blown away.
It takes a village to raise a child is a lovely and righteous goal. One that can go off track millions of ways. My mother was quite mean, unkind, jealous, neurotic, the first born daughter, middle child, and an unwilling chosen/gifted child. She lost $50 when she bet I would be a boy. Her circle of friends ignored her abuses of me. One of countless scenarios of when the village fails the child. Exceptions were my bff's mother who saw the abuse clearly, who stepped in countless times and who was hated by my mother. I am soooo grateful to her despite her accidentally losing my camp counselors glowing evaluation of me as a natural leader. She read it aloud to me, her husband and her daughter before letting it go out the car window as we drove home from camp.😂
Effectivement, depuis les 100 dernières années, la famille étendue n'a plus de racine... C'est dû en partie par la mondialisation de tout par l'homme, sa quête de richesse, de pouvoir, la poursuite de ses désirs, l'import/export trop facile... L'homme individualiste a anéanti l'âme même de la famille et de ses racines. L'homme a précipité sa destruction et la planète ...Quel immense catastrophe 💔
''we are not here for a long time, we are here for a good time.'' not sure how the algorithyms got me here. i refuse to bow down to any thought or idea that tells me depression AND loneliness are the answer to anything.
She kind of reminds me of my Austrian grandmother who often tells stories of how people used to do things when she was growing up. Quaint stories of how people would talk to each other in ways that seem laughable to a young person from modern times. She is stuck in the past and never really met the 20th century and isn't an easy person to talk to so the grandchildren and so on don't really have a relationship with her. The problem though is that she is very religious and has that old fashioned fire and brimstone way of scaring children into behaving "good". I always hated that. As a sensitive and innocent kid that stuff has given me nightmares and deep seated fears that still persist to this day.
Grandiosity lies in denying our limits and rejecting the need for help. This is why A.A. is so effective in addressing addictions - it fosters humility and the acknowledgment of our need for support.
@@The_Jungian_Aionand acknowledging the higher power. AA collapses without that "concept", psychologists tried without it. 12 steps were received in epiphany after all, and it is the most effective program we have. That's no coincidence.
I see her more as a deeply individuated person who embodies the potential of a human being that took seriously the mission of consciousness and wholeness.
Jung’s view doesn’t diminish the suffering or loss but seeks to understand the meaning that might emerge, not as a justification but as a way to honor the depth of human experience. The pain and grief are real and must be faced with compassion and courage, rather than reduced to a simple theological explanation.
I know what she is talking about and I did not run away even when family wanted me to because it hurt them to see me in those states. They still do not understand me and nobody ever will. I'm ok with that :)
4:34 that's so true in my experience. And I wholeheartedly disagree with most people that you always have to be understanding and soft with a partner who decompensates often. Sometimes a loving, precise kick in the butt (metaphorically) is exactly what they need to have an interrupt. Of course then everybody with a degree in Psychology from the Boulevard magazine says "you're a Narcissist" ... I don't care! It is not true!
Speaking own observations as a US citizen: "we ain't learning shit". Our comeuppances is looming on the horizon, and it's going to suck! Hope I'm dead by then. I fear I won't be. Would have been fun rolling through the waste land when I was younger. But now w/ my knees and hip I'm useless.
why would a God create a system where depression was needed to find fulfillment.. and if your answer is ''the fall'' as if that one size fits all solution justifies the God putting this into motion and allowing us to suffer through it, then the next question is why would God create a system where it was possible for a human to mess up so badly (disobedience) that the punishment/ response from God would then be every single instance of suffering that exists today...
In Jungian psychology, we’re not referring to a theological God but rather to the inner God-image, the Self, the Central guiding archetype, the totality of the psyche. Theology, as a discipline, is not something I personally engage with or invest in. This perspective is beautifully articulated by Edward Edinger throughout his writings, where he explores the profound psychological significance of these concepts. From the Jungian perspective, depression isn’t punishment or a flaw but a natural psychological process signaling the need for transformation. It pushes us to confront the unconscious and align with the deeper truths of the Self. Rather than asking why suffering exists, Jungian psychology reframes it as an inherent part of life-a challenge that, while painful, holds the potential for growth and meaning. This approach shifts the focus from blame to transformation, encouraging us to find wholeness through the struggle.
If you’re referring to the Christian God, I personally think that the story is incomplete. The way Christianity teaches about God is very black or white, very little middle ground. Other religions from the east, even extinct religions had a unified idea of the one God. Of course they also had deities that represented other aspects of this one supreme God. The way I see it, simply put, the one absolute God has created EVERYTHING, to this God there is no black or white, only everything. Therefore what we see as evil and good, is just a matter of degree in an action. Like cold or hot is simply a measure of temperature. To this God, who is in everything and has created everything, all experiences are the whole of life, good or bad. There is no punishment or reward, there is no hidden reason or divine plan for why bad things happen, they just do. What matters is how you respond, the meaning in life comes from you, because you are the one alive.
@@thuladei5552 thanks for you response.. this God that you put forward doesnt seem to be a God that can be referred to as a loving God. Your definition has set him up to be completely neutral.. in that suffering and well being are just different states of being and that neither is really preferable to this God. Since love kindness and mercy are never associated with creating an environment where suffering HAS to occur ( outside of religion). It sounds like your God is more of a deistic God and isnt really concerned with our well being or lack thereof.
This applies to current European and American immigration problems. No love for the host country. Just surviving and striving for what you left behind.
Every problem you solve is a step forward. No problems no progress. Think about it ... if everything that ever happens to you is good AND easy then you`re staying the same. Think about examples: driving, math, painting... if you don`t find a task at least slightly difficult then you`re just repeating what you already know. Now, life could be more interesting and beautiful if you are ``sharper``, but some people look for difficulty on their own, they don`t need depression to punch them in the face to look within. It just happens more frequently so because as a whole we don`t like personal progress.....there is no societal pressure ! We want ``things``, better cars, bigger houses, more money .... but we don`t want ourselves to be better, we can`t know what better is ! Talk to a narcissist or a chronically angry person, what will they know about their condition ?!? NOTHING ! They don`t know how it is to not be narcissistic or angry, else they would like it and not be so ! We don`t know what we don`t know and it`s the biggest problem we have ! Like the matrix movie, the whole plot is that people don`t know !
Yep and also other trapped, not expressed, suppressed, repressed emotions like frustration, sadness and I believe also love and joy. 'If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.' (Gospel of Thomas)
It is indeed an uprooting process, but I don’t see the need for a reversal. Instead, I envision a maturation into a truly post-modern perspective (what is often labeled as "post-modern" today is, in fact, ultra-modern). A genuine post-modern life would integrate the richest elements of the pre-modern world - its wisdom, traditions, and depth - with the rationality and technological advancements of the modern age. This synthesis, at least on an individual level, is not only possible but also a promising starting point.
Not dissimilar to that which we find brazenly common and politically rampant across today's western societies. Why such instability, because we neglect the mutual interests of our own village first, further failing to understand the value of the role of the individual to the village.
I love this channel , sooooo much ❤but don't use titles like this one please 😌💛 it's a bit childish and unnecessary , even if i know that it was Jung's perspective etc and i love Him and this beautiful being Lady Marie , but this is a misleading unnecessary title
@The_Jungian_Aion no my dear , you completely misunderstood me or i did not explain myself properly , thing this which is more probable , i simply meant that even if the title is what Lady Marie thought and her perspective etc, i would have preferred nevertheless another title , because when someone reads that specific title he or she who reads it may thing that this is the classical bigot religious channel and this is definitely not true , cause this channel is about psychology and spirituality and peace and consciousness and , gladly , not about bigotry , religious bigotry 😌💛sorry for the misunderstanding
@@TekkenDemon-v5j I understand your perspective. From my own experience and understanding, the Self-the inner Center that is far greater than the conscious ego - is synonymous with what has traditionally been referred to as 'God.' Psychologically, it functions in a similar way, embodying the inner image of God. The Jungian perspective, following Jung himself, does not shy away from using this term. Jung approached it without prejudice, recognizing its deep psychological and symbolic resonance, and so do I. That being said, thank you for expressing your view.
@@The_Jungian_Aion I'm agnostic but I love this perspective and the Zen Buddhist perspective and even Bernardo Kastrup's views, i love all this and I truly hope one day I'll no longer be agnostic 💛
Why should this be good to be known by everybody in the village? Or to stay the whole life in the same village? Some people grow roots, some spread their wings.
I do not see why depression has to be a signal about not confronting one's unconscious ! There are many reasons for being depressed.Real life,for example.There are also physiological reasons,determined solely by genetic factors or biochemical facts. The trouble with all these theoretical ideas about the unconscious is the fact that they are THEORIES and NOT facts !.
This talks about many countries, Turkey, China, south American countries, even the middle east. didn't know the eastern Europe migration afftected western Europe that much, interesting
Depression, from a Jungian perspective, can be seen as a profound gift because it compels the individual to confront the unconscious, shedding light on shadow aspects of the psyche that often remain hidden in the busyness of daily life. It is a call from the soul, urging us to turn inward and reassess the values, goals, and roles that no longer serve our true self. Much like alchemical Nigredo - the dark, chaotic stage preceding transformation - depression strips away illusions, leaving us bare to the deeper truths within. This descent into the underworld is not a punishment but a necessary journey, a liminal space where healing and wholeness are cultivated. When approached with curiosity and care, depression can guide us toward a richer, more authentic life, connecting us with the numinous and the archetypal patterns that shape our inner world. It is the psyche's invitation to growth, an initiation into the mystery of becoming.
Love this analysis. Dark night of the soul.
I'm not sure I agree with you; there is a tendency for individuals to over-estimate their agency over History, Economy, Social change and Industrialization. Maybe you will find your 'tribe' your 'niche' your group of like-minded people, with a similar outlook and values, etc., but you are dealing with massive external social forces that undermine this every step of the way. And that is the contrast between part of a given social, tribal identity versus large groups of faceless individuals who are as foreign to you as you to them, without the slightest iota of interest or responsibility to you and responsibility for themselves. This is, what I believe she was getting at.
@@vladvlog9677 well said, external influence is very, very much overlooked.
@@vladvlog9677 Thank you for your perspective, it’s a valid and important point. I agree that massive external social forces often feel overwhelming and beyond individual agency. These forces can indeed create a sense of alienation and fracture tribal or communal bonds, leaving individuals feeling disconnected from both others and themselves. That said, I see this as part of the tension we all must navigate - the interplay between the external forces shaping our lives and our internal capacity to respond to them. While we can’t control the larger tides of history, we can grow our awareness, find like-minded people, and create spaces, however small, where values, meaning, and a sense of connection can exist. It’s not about overestimating personal agency but about reclaiming what influence we do have in shaping our inner lives and the communities we participate in. I think this balance - between acknowledging the weight of external forces and recognizing the power of inner transformation - is key to navigating these challenges. It's also worth remembering that there is often more at play than we can see, and our efforts may have a greater impact than we can fully comprehend.
@ Thank you for your comments. I don't have any issue with the gist of what you are saying; we are compelled to seek out connection, belonging and identity - things that can only be found in our 'Tribe.' It is in our nature to do so, just as it is in our nature to be agentic and establish context. The majority of the present and recent past generations have never experienced the type of sedentary, stable 'Family Village living' as it's a thing of the past. No matter what individuals do personally, has not worked, so saying it's a question of navigating the inner with outer, sounds too naïve for me; the forces are way too strong, moving in a very particular direction. The individual is more alone, isolated and alienated than he has ever been before, because the effects of these external forces are its consequences. There are no formulas to life.
I was psychotically depressed, full on delusions and fits of rage for over a year, and it forced me to make sense of my life. It cut me away from all my friends and anyone I could rely on. I took a series of courageous steps forward, not knowing the direction I was going. I gained a bunch of knowledge online during this time and now, I'm not even the same person I was 10 months ago... I have direction and meaning and even faith in God. Which is also a massive boon to overcoming insecurity. Im not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but small steps forward become exponential. I was fighting the embarressment of all the things Ive said and done along the way. Ive made mistakes that people would surely think I was insane. But I believe I am on the road to making something of myself and wont settle for less than what I always knew was possible within me. Overcoming an abusive father and a smothering mother. I have found balance and confidence.
On a similar journey and SO appreciate your comment ❤
S-mothering mother
These words hit me deep. I can absolutely relate ❤
Hi brother , lots of love to you
Can relate. Good luck to you
Her village story made me smile. I don't aspire to be invited into people's homes, but a neighbor asking if I would like a rooster for the pot (because they had one too many) made me heave a sigh of happiness.
I could never understand the mentality some people have in the modern age where they think staying to live and work in your hometown makes you some sort of "loser". What's so bad about wanting to stay within your community your entire family came from and where you have spent your whole life forming relationships?
@@chocolatecake6588 you’re limiting yourself and your potential. That’s your choice.
As she says,war is a big reason people are forced from their home towns/villages. In the past, famines and extreme poverty split communties and forced familys apart. Had this not happened, most countries wouldn't exist in the form they do today. Its a never ending cycle. If everythings fine at home then its usually the 'dreamer' who wants to move away from the community to find adventure or maybe
move away from a toxic stagnate family life.
@@Desrayyy_ That's a weird reply. Staying in your hometown can be a profound act of authenticity, allowing you to deepen your connection to your roots and align with your inner truth. Individuation isn’t about external validation but about living in harmony with what nurtures your soul, whether that’s staying or venturing elsewhere.
@Desrayyy_ Maybe that's a good thing.
@@Desrayyy_ "Potential" is often overrated. Most people aren't big artists or powerful entrepreneurs who constantly need to be where the action is. If you're average, as most people are, then the anonymity and atomization that come with modern urban life aren't necessarily outweighed by its advantages.
Most people would rather take a pill than face the hell within
@@solb101 some people have a low pain tolerance and almost squirm like a child when they face their hell. Maybe they would find nothing of value there anyway as their screams would be too distracting.
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@@David-g3d No. Socrates said KNOW THYSELF. That was centuries before JP. The Tao Te Ching mentions knowing self. Also the bible speaks of self mastery. Nietzsche addresses the issue. And other philosophers have written and spoken of self knowledge. It's an old old old human problem.
Or " the hell within " would prefer that face off instead of removing it with some " magic product " . That would kind of negate it wouldnt it? Too easy
it‘s also culture. someone has a bad thought and thinks „SH*T i got this depression thing“ and automatically „acts“ the part. laying in bed, never smiling etc.
Her points are well taken: the Machine has been waging war on the family -- both nuclear and extended -- for centuries. And now we are a fractured species, lost in our egos and their delusions.
I love this way of looking at things! I must confess, I never looked at depression as a blessing, but the way she put it...what an opportunity to get to know oneself.
as someone who grew up without a father, the narrative of me being the son of a widow and being the follow-up of a disappearing generation really spoke out to me
that could very well be one of the many reasons why I'm depressed, as it has been a cause for a fair amount of the trauma in my life, so I can really relate to this narrative
and fittingly enough, with my two life goals being happiness with my life and finding love, the idea of building a family and community appeals to me a lot, definitely more so than the "sigma grindset hustle culture" narrative that most people my age believe in
The Sigma hustle culture is a backlash of a very enmeshed culture possibly. It too would run its course when it's time is up...
I've suffered from depression most of my life and I never thought about it like that. Jeez. That's a game changer.
Me too,it's like a spiritual compass but you have become aware first that is
The last two and a half minutes, are pure knowledge for someone to contemplate on!
Thank you for uploading these videos. She is brilliant and her books are incisive and often easier to absorb that Jung's writings.
Ihre Ansichten sind so unglaublich wichtig und es ist wichtig auf sie referieren zu können denn solche Gedanken hat natürlich jeder mal gehabt, will ich mal hoffen, aber nicht jeder kann es so begründen wie sie ❤ Tolle Arbeit, die du hier machst. Ich liebe alle deine Uploads.
I appreciate your blessing, and I'm happy to contribute.
@ are you interested in this topic or are you a professional and some kind of related genre?
@@Onehuman123 Jungian psychology is at the core of my life.
@ good answer. Where would you suggest starting with this topic.
@@Onehuman123 This reading guide (in audible form) is a great starting point: th-cam.com/play/PLHLBwD1Fmz9bn6DwsaRDRbyjbYf3jNGxl.html
I hope it’s ok to suggest something on your channel but one of the subjects which has helped me through depression is the depth of Psychological Astrology, particularly books by Dr Liz Greene who is a Zurich-trained Jungian analyst. Jung’s daughter, by the way, became an astrologer and Jung was very aware of those deep cultural roots. A helpful website to find a birth chart is Astrodienst, which is based in Zurich.
Anyway, what I wanted to get across is that transits of the outer planets - particularly Pluto and Saturn - can help us to understand the powerful, sometimes destructive changes that are going on and so we might not be subsumed by the ‘blacknesses’ which seem to descend from nowhere: ie we can work WITH them and not be defeated by them. Especially if we know the transit will last for a year or two, and that we would be wise to submit rather than resist the changes.
For any Jungian who has more than a passing interest in astrology, archetypes, fate, myth, alchemical stages, depression etc Liz Greene’s work will shine insight on the process of individuation from a planetary perspective.
Thank you deeply for the recommendation, vielen dank!
Her book 'Dynamics of the Unconscious' has a chapter detailing the nature of depression in its developmental sense, particularly emphasizing the Alchemist's insistence of the necessity of a depression as a prerequisite for Psychological integration and growth.
Certainly, Liz Greene's work does run very deep and it can stir people up! She does poke the Dragon, and the Unconscious has a tendency to retaliate.
I see her point and it's true to a degree of rural and village - however it's a rather idealistic view too. There's a lot of suppression in small community, a lot of enduring intolerable people - small dictators often rule and people get away with things, because there's no escaping them. The worse they are, the less they care about any push back. So it's not always balanced out, sometimes people are just trapped.
It depends a lot on the specific village, I think. The little place where I live has none of those problems. But it isn't very isolated, so maybe that keeps the would-be dictators in line.
Thank you for this! A small community can become hell, in social and psychological sense. That tree-cutting episode she was talking about - it sounds so passive-aggressive 😬tnx but no tnx
Also, being stuck in the same dynamic yr whole life, I think it stunts the individual development, at least to some degree. To move, to change the scenery and the context, doesn't mean to uproot yrself. She talks about extremes (war, fall of the communist regime). But just like with everything, there's a healthy balance
@@DivergentIntegral yes I think it varies a lot, just like families do, they can differ dramatically.
I'm sure she'd have plenty of interesting things to say about that and is making a general point. I think those huge cultural shifts she spoke about also probably had a variety of impacts, some become rootless, but I imagine that for others they found more than they lost, it may have allowed them to escape tyranny and constrained circumstances or an allocated role, and find a home and belonging for the first time.
@@anabltc yes! I don't think it would end there with the trees either, that would just be the beginning 🤣
@@annastone5624 passing the pettiness torch to the next generation, I'm sure 😂
Its only a blessing if you overcome it,i am sorry
if you find yourself in hell, you better keep walking.
Yep. Sometimes the little curse lingers on and on.
@@Mpfumo If you don't, you're not doing the shadow work.
Thought this was Ms Doughtfire which is wild because Robin opted out due to severe depression
Tack!
Thank you for the support Zimmi!
Thank you for your work 😊
God these are so good. Thank you.
Thanks!
As a German I am very happy about what she says at the beginning of the video: German people were and still are extremely uprooted and traumatized by the effects of WWII. The effects of how the Boomers were brought up can be seen and felt in Germany. This has never been publicly discussed in Germany, or at least not enough. What always had priority was the guilt of the Germans, up until today!
A small group has completely lied and subjugated your people.
The cog diss is off the scale.
And what about the rest of Europe that was drawn into war. The so called guilt Germans are living just made them living in denial about everything actually.
Watching 5:27 in 2025: Oof.
Right? I had the same thought.
Brilliant! At 06:26 she says something that is sooooo true. Thank you for sharing!
I agree....
06:45
If you add a colon to your time- it will automatically become a timestamp for others.
@@em945 Thank you very much for mentioning this! I did not know that. You taught me something new ;-)
Agreed! If I were to be honest, I never liked the pain of life. But it is precisely that pain, in whatever form it takes, that gives us the most invaluable lessons that life has to give. If it weren't for the hardships of the past, I wouldn't have discovered the peace of Meditation, and thus wouldn't have turned inwards to face myself.
There will come a time in our lives when external circumstances become so unbearable, that it forces us to either turn within, or continue to live an even more grandiose lie.
What a current, real, wise consideration 🌻
I would have liked to have met this lady.
Thank you Marie Louise the truth of lack of roots it’s felt day by day because of war and migrating
Wow wisdom😲, as long as things goes well, you run away from yourself. That is exactly what I was doing many years, untill my mummy dead and my business got broken.
Good News! i discovered that the brain/body is capable of setting itself Totally Free of fear, anxiety, sorrow, despair, loneliness, shame, guilt, confusion, contradictions, addictions, irritations, triggers, vanity, envy, greed, jealousy, attachment, possessiveness, ill-will, hatred, cruelty, bias, prejudice, and all other mental/emotional disturbances, in each and every moment of daily life, 24/7.
This gives birth to True Love, Peace, Happiness, Creativity, & Clarity, for the very first time. Not the love, peace, happiness, that the I, the me, the self, the thinker, the mind, imagines it to be, which is a limitation, imitation, and distortion.
For the very first time, Soul is happening, Spirit is happening, Heart is happening.
It is not temporary. It is happening in each & every moment of daily life, 24/7.
It does not take time. It has nothing whatsoever to do with time, effort, or choice. It occurs faster than the speed of light.
The children are ready to be set Totally Free at the earliest age so they don't waste their whole life with any mental/emotional disturbances.
It just happens to destroy your ability to perceive clearly, no big deal. A heart attack can force you to reevaluate too but it might also become a chronic problem or one that kills you swiftly.
When You've got nothing, You've got everything. When You've got everything, You've got nothing!
Tell that to a homeless person.
You can neither have nothing or everything
@@bluemamba5317 Correct, that's from literally speakimg pov. But that said, I am the embodiment of what I just said. When your loaded down with the materailistic things that only money can buy, with all it glorious disappaintment, you literally you have nothing to look forward to, apart from your next purchase, whilst getting further and further away from your truely, ingenious, creative and glorious self.
Watch this space! Did you know that Jung treated the spirtual You. That is he conversed with departed. At his Childhood dinner table, there places set for family members that weren't physically there, but wete spiritually. Modern day psychology, is mainly based upon writtings, by persons and individuals, who were of thier nut on a concoction of heroin and cocaine, called 7% pure as written about(indirectly reveal) in the Telegragh, by Arthur Conan Doyle; as in Sherlock Homes; "Eliminate the impossible, so therefore, what You've got left, must be true!"
How well she speaks English ❤
I love this lady so much. How I miss my hometown full of relatives.
Understanding of a deep seated issue explained so simply .
I've been "blessed" since I was 11.
I agree that familiarity in communities and close knit relationships near family is beneficial but I also have benefited from new friends and framily. And the majority of folks I have pushed out of the snow or pushed me out of the snow have been total strangers ❤
Gossip is the grapevine.
Excellent, thank you ✌️
Depression is a sign a person's out of tune with who they really are.
And everything under the sun is in tune
But the Sun is eclipsed by the moon. P.F.
Words of wisdom.
Never saw depression from
This point of view, it’s specially funny to me right now because its what Ive been experiencing for the second time in my life I should say, just diagnosed with a shitty injury, but this is pushing me to go where in the past I knew i should go, and make the changes that my body and life needs to recover, the injury takes most of my energy since it is in the spine, but this depression and perspective changes give me the energy to push for the changes needed. I am blown away.
So,I am gifted.
💚
the gift of speech
It takes a village to raise a child is a lovely and righteous goal. One that can go off track millions of ways. My mother was quite mean, unkind, jealous, neurotic, the first born daughter, middle child, and an unwilling chosen/gifted child. She lost $50 when she bet I would be a boy. Her circle of friends ignored her abuses of me. One of countless scenarios of when the village fails the child. Exceptions were my bff's mother who saw the abuse clearly, who stepped in countless times and who was hated by my mother. I am soooo grateful to her despite her accidentally losing my camp counselors glowing evaluation of me as a natural leader. She read it aloud to me, her husband and her daughter before letting it go out the car window as we drove home from camp.😂
@@barbaramaier1988 bless you! Thank you for sharing your story.
She's very smart but a factor not brought up in this conversation is the "international" entity that cares not what the majority wants
I have felt this many times❤️❤️❤️
Effectivement, depuis les 100 dernières années, la famille étendue n'a plus de racine... C'est dû en partie par la mondialisation de tout par l'homme, sa quête de richesse, de pouvoir, la poursuite de ses désirs, l'import/export trop facile... L'homme individualiste a anéanti l'âme même de la famille et de ses racines. L'homme a précipité sa destruction et la planète ...Quel immense catastrophe 💔
''we are not here for a long time, we are here for a good time.''
not sure how the algorithyms got me here. i refuse to bow down to any thought or idea that tells me depression AND loneliness are the answer to anything.
She kind of reminds me of my Austrian grandmother who often tells stories of how people used to do things when she was growing up. Quaint stories of how people would talk to each other in ways that seem laughable to a young person from modern times. She is stuck in the past and never really met the 20th century and isn't an easy person to talk to so the grandchildren and so on don't really have a relationship with her.
The problem though is that she is very religious and has that old fashioned fire and brimstone way of scaring children into behaving "good". I always hated that. As a sensitive and innocent kid that stuff has given me nightmares and deep seated fears that still persist to this day.
Timely and relevant
Apparently, 🇺🇸 did not learn limits and it’s shadow is very active
Grandiosity lies in denying our limits and rejecting the need for help. This is why A.A. is so effective in addressing addictions - it fosters humility and the acknowledgment of our need for support.
@@The_Jungian_Aionand acknowledging the higher power. AA collapses without that "concept", psychologists tried without it. 12 steps were received in epiphany after all, and it is the most effective program we have. That's no coincidence.
Marie Louise Von Franz is such a powerful anima archetype manifestation
I see her more as a deeply individuated person who embodies the potential of a human being that took seriously the mission of consciousness and wholeness.
Thank you ❤
I wonder how depression seems when you lose someone dear due to depression. Is it still a gift from God?
Jung’s view doesn’t diminish the suffering or loss but seeks to understand the meaning that might emerge, not as a justification but as a way to honor the depth of human experience. The pain and grief are real and must be faced with compassion and courage, rather than reduced to a simple theological explanation.
Dark night of the soul
I must live in Alaska
... and in the darkness of night, the shining light is most easily seen...
Well, looks like I've been abundantly blessed by God.
Truth... As Lisa Miller also said depression is an invitation to spirituality. She's done some scientific research on it.
I know what she is talking about and I did not run away even when family wanted me to because it hurt them to see me in those states. They still do not understand me and nobody ever will. I'm ok with that :)
4:34 that's so true in my experience. And I wholeheartedly disagree with most people that you always have to be understanding and soft with a partner who decompensates often. Sometimes a loving, precise kick in the butt (metaphorically) is exactly what they need to have an interrupt. Of course then everybody with a degree in Psychology from the Boulevard magazine says "you're a Narcissist" ... I don't care! It is not true!
You can tell others this and they look at you as if you are stupid, for me it was a gift and a blessing, I can not thank the big one enough.
Ecclesiatics 7:3 - Sorrow is better than laughter; for by the sadness of the countenance, the heart is made better.
Speaking own observations as a US citizen: "we ain't learning shit". Our comeuppances is looming on the horizon, and it's going to suck! Hope I'm dead by then. I fear I won't be. Would have been fun rolling through the waste land when I was younger. But now w/ my knees and hip I'm useless.
Marie-Louise, how we need you now...
what you need is found inside you
why would a God create a system where depression was needed to find fulfillment.. and if your answer is ''the fall'' as if that one size fits all solution justifies the God putting this into motion and allowing us to suffer through it, then the next question is why would God create a system where it was possible for a human to mess up so badly (disobedience) that the punishment/ response from God would then be every single instance of suffering that exists today...
In Jungian psychology, we’re not referring to a theological God but rather to the inner God-image, the Self, the Central guiding archetype, the totality of the psyche. Theology, as a discipline, is not something I personally engage with or invest in. This perspective is beautifully articulated by Edward Edinger throughout his writings, where he explores the profound psychological significance of these concepts.
From the Jungian perspective, depression isn’t punishment or a flaw but a natural psychological process signaling the need for transformation. It pushes us to confront the unconscious and align with the deeper truths of the Self. Rather than asking why suffering exists, Jungian psychology reframes it as an inherent part of life-a challenge that, while painful, holds the potential for growth and meaning. This approach shifts the focus from blame to transformation, encouraging us to find wholeness through the struggle.
I took the reference to "God" as being a figure of speech and no more than that.
If you’re referring to the Christian God, I personally think that the story is incomplete. The way Christianity teaches about God is very black or white, very little middle ground. Other religions from the east, even extinct religions had a unified idea of the one God. Of course they also had deities that represented other aspects of this one supreme God. The way I see it, simply put, the one absolute God has created EVERYTHING, to this God there is no black or white, only everything. Therefore what we see as evil and good, is just a matter of degree in an action. Like cold or hot is simply a measure of temperature.
To this God, who is in everything and has created everything, all experiences are the whole of life, good or bad. There is no punishment or reward, there is no hidden reason or divine plan for why bad things happen, they just do. What matters is how you respond, the meaning in life comes from you, because you are the one alive.
@@thuladei5552 thanks for you response.. this God that you put forward doesnt seem to be a God that can be referred to as a loving God. Your definition has set him up to be completely neutral.. in that suffering and well being are just different states of being and that neither is really preferable to this God. Since love kindness and mercy are never associated with creating an environment where suffering HAS to occur ( outside of religion). It sounds like your God is more of a deistic God and isnt really concerned with our well being or lack thereof.
@brianbridges8124 Didn't the book of Job answer that?
This applies to current European and American immigration problems. No love for the host country. Just surviving and striving for what you left behind.
Every problem you solve is a step forward. No problems no progress. Think about it ... if everything that ever happens to you is good AND easy then you`re staying the same. Think about examples: driving, math, painting... if you don`t find a task at least slightly difficult then you`re just repeating what you already know. Now, life could be more interesting and beautiful if you are ``sharper``, but some people look for difficulty on their own, they don`t need depression to punch them in the face to look within. It just happens more frequently so because as a whole we don`t like personal progress.....there is no societal pressure ! We want ``things``, better cars, bigger houses, more money .... but we don`t want ourselves to be better, we can`t know what better is ! Talk to a narcissist or a chronically angry person, what will they know about their condition ?!? NOTHING ! They don`t know how it is to not be narcissistic or angry, else they would like it and not be so ! We don`t know what we don`t know and it`s the biggest problem we have ! Like the matrix movie, the whole plot is that people don`t know !
Depression is hidden anger! And anger is angry nobody is anybody!
@@tonykokk go on...
I'm interested.
Yep and also other trapped, not expressed, suppressed, repressed emotions like frustration, sadness and I believe also love and joy.
'If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.'
(Gospel of Thomas)
Yes. How can one be whole if they do not know all of themselves.
So very true. She is such a smart cookie❤❤❤
Modernisation is essentially an uprooting process and cannot be reversed.
It is indeed an uprooting process, but I don’t see the need for a reversal. Instead, I envision a maturation into a truly post-modern perspective (what is often labeled as "post-modern" today is, in fact, ultra-modern). A genuine post-modern life would integrate the richest elements of the pre-modern world - its wisdom, traditions, and depth - with the rationality and technological advancements of the modern age. This synthesis, at least on an individual level, is not only possible but also a promising starting point.
Brilliant ✨ 🤍
Not dissimilar to that which we find brazenly common and politically rampant across today's western societies. Why such instability, because we neglect the mutual interests of our own village first, further failing to understand the value of the role of the individual to the village.
The social planners desire atomisation - divide to conquer
"Depression's Gift: "It's the only way you're tempted to look within""
And dying is Nature's way of telling you slow down.
Bull puckey.
Danke Schon.
I love this channel , sooooo much ❤but don't use titles like this one please 😌💛 it's a bit childish and unnecessary , even if i know that it was Jung's perspective etc and i love Him and this beautiful being Lady Marie , but this is a misleading unnecessary title
Thank you for the complement. Watch this video until the end and see that Marie says exactly what the title and thumbnail claim. No click-baits here.
@The_Jungian_Aion no my dear , you completely misunderstood me or i did not explain myself properly , thing this which is more probable , i simply meant that even if the title is what Lady Marie thought and her perspective etc, i would have preferred nevertheless another title , because when someone reads that specific title he or she who reads it may thing that this is the classical bigot religious channel and this is definitely not true , cause this channel is about psychology and spirituality and peace and consciousness and , gladly , not about bigotry , religious bigotry 😌💛sorry for the misunderstanding
@@TekkenDemon-v5j I understand your perspective. From my own experience and understanding, the Self-the inner Center that is far greater than the conscious ego - is synonymous with what has traditionally been referred to as 'God.' Psychologically, it functions in a similar way, embodying the inner image of God. The Jungian perspective, following Jung himself, does not shy away from using this term. Jung approached it without prejudice, recognizing its deep psychological and symbolic resonance, and so do I. That being said, thank you for expressing your view.
@@The_Jungian_Aion thank you for the answer 😌💛🙏
@@The_Jungian_Aion I'm agnostic but I love this perspective and the Zen Buddhist perspective and even Bernardo Kastrup's views, i love all this and I truly hope one day I'll no longer be agnostic 💛
No. It's a terrible thing!
Every blessing brings a curse.
Every curse brings a blessing.
Ahaha if one man poops on the border of the neighbour, that neighbour do not push lawsuit, but also poos on the border of his neighbour. Nice
As long as one can still function and pay the bills.
Why should this be good to be known by everybody in the village? Or to stay the whole life in the same village? Some people grow roots, some spread their wings.
Yes, so is being blinded. You really get to appreciate having sight 😏
I do not see why depression has to be a signal about not confronting one's unconscious ! There are many reasons for being depressed.Real life,for example.There are also physiological reasons,determined solely by genetic factors or biochemical facts.
The trouble with all these theoretical ideas about the unconscious is the fact that they are THEORIES and NOT facts !.
WOW!!! POW!!!
After that brief golden era of 6 years, it went downhill.
🌻
If your "god" is of the darkness, then yes depression is a blessing from "god". 🙄🙄🙄🙄
This talks about many countries, Turkey, China, south American countries, even the middle east. didn't know the eastern Europe migration afftected western Europe that much, interesting
She sounds like Jung.
Same intonation.
❣️
So interesting, this lady always hits me hard
Free speech: Umm is this victim blaming ? Depression can be caused by for ex trauma from police administrative abuse in canada
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Depression has always led me to hating God😂
Before you involve God please check your DIET, VITAMINS AND CUT THOSE DAMN CARBS. GET A GOOD NITE SLEEP🎉
How poignant in these modern times.
Cultural continuity, you say? We will see how we fare.
i hate gravity. all it does is drag me down 🙃
Know cynic.
Not I oilfieldue
3:08 "I belong. That makes me very happy." th-cam.com/video/QwYX8nuQeko/w-d-xo.html