Quick style-points comment: when you add a Fortune Seeker to this unit, you can replace the banner-bearer with the Fortune Seeker model whose arm is stretching forward with a sword to have both cavalry units in the front rank extending their swords outward toward the enemy. I might have to do this even if the attachment isn’t actually in the unit. 👀
Such a nice review! Thank you so much, Randall!!! Excatly what we needed right now! Thanks for keeping up this great job for the whole Song Community! I feel some content release videos around the corner ;-)
At 8 they’re quite good, and 7 they’d be crazy good. I could easily see running two of these with multiple Peasants supporting, a little bit of Bretonnia in the Seven Kingdoms.
Definitely great sculpts and you could easily mix these with Hedge Knight models to create two units of either. Three peasants is an interesting idea. I just hope you don’t have to buy two starters to get that many!
It might be complicated to manage which units, particularly on the Stark side, could be taken. My initial thought was along the lines of your comment, but we haven’t seen any indication yet that there will be restrictions on the Stark/Bara unit roster, so I didn’t factor that into my analysis.
@noblegalifreyan4551 I don’t think they thought too much about Tully Cav balance when balancing this faction’s rules. Riders of Highgarden would benefit from the same gang-up bonus. If anything, hopefully Tully cav can get another minor tweak in the next patch as a result. 😄 We’ll know soon enough though what the full and final faction rules are.
They have to be 8. 7 would be crazy. I think they look Solid, though potentially competing (at least one of them) against Tully Cav. I also wish they had been a bit more creative with "Rally the Smallfolk" than just being a crappier Rally Cry. Something a bit different, like 1 wound plus 1 condition token at least. But overall, a Solid unit.
Can you bring Rose Knights in BWB? I know they can bring a Stark or Baratheon unit but can they bring the units that have loyalties for Stannis or Renly?
It appears that you can bring Stannis / Renly loyalty units in addition to the standard Baratheon units. So you could bring the Rose Knights in! Rose Knights might be quite good in this army since it looks like what the BWB will be lacking is a solid frontline defensive unit.
On the FB page they showed five knights, but the page on CMON shows four, I wonder if the fifth is an attachment? Plus what could that even add to the mix.
I thought the same thing Carly, but then some British guy named Mickey pointed out on Discord that the “fifth” cav model was actually just one of the other four spun around at a different angle.
The more i know about this new faction the more i like it. As a main Renly Baratheon player i think i should jump in BwB. It would be my second army (or 3rd bc i planning to build Stannis side aswell). And besides of the Neutrals Units i also could enjoy to buy some cool Starks Units ontop. F***k yes why not 🙌💯
I feel the same way about BwB. They look like they’ll leave the gate with a much higher power level than the last faction, the Boltons. And these guys have so much more listbuilding potential. I’m looking forward to them!
@@imperialminis857 the only thing that I worry, bc of their high potential of power list building and aswell their strong commander cards, they could be a little overpowered and dominate the future tournaments. We will see. I hope CMON keep the balance
@ruthnik well, they have Crit Blow on the charge, not Sundering. I’d be cool with them just having native Crit Blow, and then getting something else on the charge, like giving their target a Panicked token.
@ruthnik Yeah right now they mostly feel like a unit that, if it fails to pull off an impressive charging attack, just contributes Intimidating Presence and presents a somewhat tough plug of wounds for the enemy to chew through. But with so much sundering and precision out there, and a 6+ morale, they can get whittled down quite quickly.
Seeing the comparison here between Sworn Knights and Champions of the Stag, I feel the last adjustment to the Champs went just a little too far. The reduction to 6 attack dice at full ranks was fair, given they’re not really supposed to be a heavy damage dealer on their own. I would have liked to see a 6/5 attack profile, but at 8pts, they should have at least kept their old 5+ morale to preserve their long term sustain. Their 2+ armor on its own is being overvalued, especially given how much of a drag speed 4 is for a cavalry unit. If they had been bumped up to speed 5, then all of the other detuning would make more sense. Also, they got another indirect nerf with the change to Stannis’ “Tactical Approach” card, the second copy of which was often played on Champs to boost unimpressive damage output. Not so much now. As it stands, I’d never pick CotS over these Sworn Knights if that were an option.
@@imperialminis857 Yeah nothing crazy even. 6/5 attack and 5+ morale could be fine. Idk they used to be sort of intimidating (as they should be) but now they’re not.
This just makes my irritation with boltons and s5 in general grow... Between this and my brothers stark nonsense... i really don't get how Flayed men are 8 points anymore. The umbra's great axe, is strictly better and on the high potential of being on a 8 attack profile, with sundering, vicious and panicking your opponent... all for 7 points and who cares if your defense is trash that 6 movement is great and you want to be down a rank for maxium punch... Or the lances on tully cav, 2 attacks and sundering on the charge vs flayed mens crazy crit blow on the charge... and vicious and maybe something from a failed moral check... Ugh... maybe i should just go play mcp until s6. Because my brother is adding this to his collection... it's ordered, he has penciled himself in on my painting project list...
There could be more factions, especially since CMON has started developing these “mini-factions” like Boltons and Brotherhood Without Banners. I could see a Tyrell mini-faction, maybe even a Golden Company or Bloody Mummer faction. And there are still factions like Aryn that could be explored. So there’s still ground to cover for new factions.
Quick style-points comment: when you add a Fortune Seeker to this unit, you can replace the banner-bearer with the Fortune Seeker model whose arm is stretching forward with a sword to have both cavalry units in the front rank extending their swords outward toward the enemy. I might have to do this even if the attachment isn’t actually in the unit. 👀
Such a nice review! Thank you so much, Randall!!!
Excatly what we needed right now! Thanks for keeping up this great job for the whole Song Community!
I feel some content release videos around the corner ;-)
BwB is shaping up to be a very cool and powerful faction. I’m looking forward to all the content the community has in store!
At 8 they’re quite good, and 7 they’d be crazy good. I could easily see running two of these with multiple Peasants supporting, a little bit of Bretonnia in the Seven Kingdoms.
I could easily see two in a list with a bunch of peasants. There’s totally a Bretonnia vibe in this faction and I love it!
Great review.
Thanks to this video I am looking forward to Brotherhood.😀
Me too, they look like a lot of fun so far!
Like the format! 👌
Thanks! It was a very easy format to throw a video together quickly. I might do similar videos for future BwB reveals.
Love the faction so far. Great unit to make as hedge knight or even alt sculpts in some other factions. 3 peasents and 2 cav
Definitely great sculpts and you could easily mix these with Hedge Knight models to create two units of either. Three peasants is an interesting idea. I just hope you don’t have to buy two starters to get that many!
I agree, looks like a great unit!
Best guess is that there is going to be a point limit and probably not allow any loyalty units to be fielded.
It might be complicated to manage which units, particularly on the Stark side, could be taken. My initial thought was along the lines of your comment, but we haven’t seen any indication yet that there will be restrictions on the Stark/Bara unit roster, so I didn’t factor that into my analysis.
@@imperialminis857 maybe but I think they would probably not want to have Tullies hit on 2+ with 10 dice that gang up includes
@noblegalifreyan4551 I don’t think they thought too much about Tully Cav balance when balancing this faction’s rules. Riders of Highgarden would benefit from the same gang-up bonus. If anything, hopefully Tully cav can get another minor tweak in the next patch as a result. 😄
We’ll know soon enough though what the full and final faction rules are.
So is it true you can bring Stark and Baratheon units?
Yep, you can bring one Stark or Baratheon unit!
They have to be 8. 7 would be crazy.
I think they look Solid, though potentially competing (at least one of them) against Tully Cav.
I also wish they had been a bit more creative with "Rally the Smallfolk" than just being a crappier Rally Cry. Something a bit different, like 1 wound plus 1 condition token at least.
But overall, a Solid unit.
@@datalink7 Honestly surprised they even gave them a unique ability, even if it isn’t that interesting. Hasn’t been much of that lately in general.
Can you bring Rose Knights in BWB? I know they can bring a Stark or Baratheon unit but can they bring the units that have loyalties for Stannis or Renly?
It appears that you can bring Stannis / Renly loyalty units in addition to the standard Baratheon units. So you could bring the Rose Knights in! Rose Knights might be quite good in this army since it looks like what the BWB will be lacking is a solid frontline defensive unit.
On the FB page they showed five knights, but the page on CMON shows four, I wonder if the fifth is an attachment? Plus what could that even add to the mix.
I thought the same thing Carly, but then some British guy named Mickey pointed out on Discord that the “fifth” cav model was actually just one of the other four spun around at a different angle.
Facebook is known for having the dumbest takes on the game
@@imperialminis857 NO WAY hahahaha they got me
The more i know about this new faction the more i like it. As a main Renly Baratheon player i think i should jump in BwB. It would be my second army (or 3rd bc i planning to build Stannis side aswell). And besides of the Neutrals Units i also could enjoy to buy some cool Starks Units ontop. F***k yes why not 🙌💯
I feel the same way about BwB. They look like they’ll leave the gate with a much higher power level than the last faction, the Boltons. And these guys have so much more listbuilding potential. I’m looking forward to them!
@@imperialminis857 the only thing that I worry, bc of their high potential of power list building and aswell their strong commander cards, they could be a little overpowered and dominate the future tournaments. We will see. I hope CMON keep the balance
flayed men really need some love..
The house Bolton version at least needs some bonus over the neutral version.
@@imperialminis857 FM should just t get sundering with out the Charge requirement
@ruthnik well, they have Crit Blow on the charge, not Sundering. I’d be cool with them just having native Crit Blow, and then getting something else on the charge, like giving their target a Panicked token.
@@imperialminis857 they definitely need something to give them more oomph, they look like the real thing but feel like a wet noodle
@ruthnik Yeah right now they mostly feel like a unit that, if it fails to pull off an impressive charging attack, just contributes Intimidating Presence and presents a somewhat tough plug of wounds for the enemy to chew through. But with so much sundering and precision out there, and a 6+ morale, they can get whittled down quite quickly.
Seeing the comparison here between Sworn Knights and Champions of the Stag, I feel the last adjustment to the Champs went just a little too far.
The reduction to 6 attack dice at full ranks was fair, given they’re not really supposed to be a heavy damage dealer on their own. I would have liked to see a 6/5 attack profile, but at 8pts, they should have at least kept their old 5+ morale to preserve their long term sustain. Their 2+ armor on its own is being overvalued, especially given how much of a drag speed 4 is for a cavalry unit. If they had been bumped up to speed 5, then all of the other detuning would make more sense.
Also, they got another indirect nerf with the change to Stannis’ “Tactical Approach” card, the second copy of which was often played on Champs to boost unimpressive damage output. Not so much now. As it stands, I’d never pick CotS over these Sworn Knights if that were an option.
I totally agree. Champs just look really sad compared with the Sworn Knights. They need an adjustment in the right direction next time.
@@imperialminis857 Yeah nothing crazy even. 6/5 attack and 5+ morale could be fine. Idk they used to be sort of intimidating (as they should be) but now they’re not.
@TheMannis 6/5 and 5+ morale would be solid but not broken imo. I’d happily accept either of those if I could only get one.
This just makes my irritation with boltons and s5 in general grow...
Between this and my brothers stark nonsense... i really don't get how Flayed men are 8 points anymore.
The umbra's great axe, is strictly better and on the high potential of being on a 8 attack profile, with sundering, vicious and panicking your opponent... all for 7 points and who cares if your defense is trash that 6 movement is great and you want to be down a rank for maxium punch...
Or the lances on tully cav, 2 attacks and sundering on the charge vs flayed mens crazy crit blow on the charge... and vicious and maybe something from a failed moral check...
Ugh... maybe i should just go play mcp until s6. Because my brother is adding this to his collection... it's ordered, he has penciled himself in on my painting project list...
What faction left? Will be more exoansions?
There could be more factions, especially since CMON has started developing these “mini-factions” like Boltons and Brotherhood Without Banners. I could see a Tyrell mini-faction, maybe even a Golden Company or Bloody Mummer faction. And there are still factions like Aryn that could be explored. So there’s still ground to cover for new factions.