In the 70s, I drove a Mustang GT350 and a Porsche 914-6. I couldn't hear the radio in the GT350, and I could hear the gas in the tank sloshing around when coming to a stop. The 350 was track oriented, the Porsche more of a fun sports car. I flipped a '53 VW bug when I was younger going around a slow curve in a light rain. It was snap oversteer, at night, and it slid back into the road vulnerable to any traffic that might come. That low speed skid and flip forever turned me off from cars that have the engine slung out behind the rear axle. I drive a 981 Cayman now, very happy with it.
I test drove a GT3 Manual and a GT4RS and the 4RS was insane! You have to get your hands on one! I am a die hard manual lover and the 4RS made it to my garage right next to my 458!
I have a 718 GT4. PRO: mid-engine is better and more natural feeling than rear-engine and more approachable. CON: Multilink rear of the 911 is superior to the strut based rear-end of the Cayman.
Hey Dan. The Cayman (981) GT4 has aftermarket wing risers and It wouldn't surprise me if the rear wing is aftermarket as well. The 'standard' GT4 is quite a good looking car.
I have owned a 2015 981 Cayman S and a 2018 991 911 GT3. In your case, the GT 3 is the more desirable car. However, the 718 Cayman GT4 RS actually has a real Porsche GT engine. The first generation GT 4 that you’re driving was geared way too long. The 718 GT 4 is a 3 L engine bored out to a 4 L engine. If you get the GT 4 RS, it is a true 4 L GT engine just like a GT3 and it revs all the way up to that 9000 range BTW, my Cayman S had PDK and the GT3 was manual. The Porsche manual transmissions are great but their dual clutch PDK IS just awesome. I wish my GT 3 was a PDK and not a manual. My Cayman S also had the sport plus package which included launch control and that is just so much fun.
718 GT4 has the same gearing as the 981 GT4. Difference is the 718 has a touch more power and slightly higher redline. The gearing really isn't much different than the GT3, again, you don't notice as much in the GT3 because of the added power and quicker revving. The 981 GT4 was an experiment. They had to handicap with 30hp less than the same engine had when it was in the Carrera S and some longer gearing, otherwise, it'd probably be more liked than the PDK-onky 991.1 GT3.
@@normalguysupercar Porsche Sports cars are designed for track use and all have long 1st and 2nd gears, Cup Cars are the same very long first and second gears. Race cars have long gears, rally cars have short gears.
I like both cars. Personally, not having driven them, I'd prefer the Cayman if you removed the roll bar. I'd also replace the seats on both cars with the electric "comfort seats" because I wouldn't be tracking either car and those buckets look like a PITA to get in & out of. I do like the rear seat delete on the GT3. I used to own a VW Golf R with the DSG trans and really loved that.
I struggled hard when picking the 718 GT4 over a 911, but I've always been a fan of the mid-engine as my first Porshe was a 914 way back in the day. I like the cleaner, slicker side profile also. Don't get me wrong. That 911 rear is the best. I've driven several 992 S's and that rear dip takes some getting used to in the corners. You have to learn just trust it :). I went with the PDK and 18-way seats. I own a modified 89 E30 which I've owned since new which is enough manual shifting for me.
I share the same sentiment. But to be honest I'm much more comfortable with front-engine cars. Even with my 4C, I'm still trying to get used to its behavior in the turns at the track. My other track car is an Alfa with the transmission in the rear and engine at the front, so it's very balanced. But hey if you're a good driver you can adapt to anything. I'm certainly not one of those good drivers.
Having driven both platforms from Porsche, I prefer the mid-engined Boxster/Cayman. The weight of the 911 engine is too far back. But the Ferrari chassis feels lighter and far more nimble than either Porsche. Plus you get the glorious-sounding V8. I do like the cabin layout and build quality of the lesser Porsche.
Aren't both available with manual? Caymann is a wonderful car - even not successful in terms of sales. Best Porsche channel is www.youtube.com/@carswithluke
Drove them all, bought 981 GT4
In the 70s, I drove a Mustang GT350 and a Porsche 914-6. I couldn't hear the radio in the GT350, and I could hear the gas in the tank sloshing around when coming to a stop. The 350 was track oriented, the Porsche more of a fun sports car. I flipped a '53 VW bug when I was younger going around a slow curve in a light rain. It was snap oversteer, at night, and it slid back into the road vulnerable to any traffic that might come. That low speed skid and flip forever turned me off from cars that have the engine slung out behind the rear axle. I drive a 981 Cayman now, very happy with it.
I test drove a GT3 Manual and a GT4RS and the 4RS was insane! You have to get your hands on one! I am a die hard manual lover and the 4RS made it to my garage right next to my 458!
Yes that's on my must try list
4RS and 458 are 2 of my dream cars. Well done! Drove a 4RS with aftermarket exhaust and almost blew my eardrums out when I accelerated.
@@Keiferdrives The 4RS is so loud in the cabin stock! Debating exhaust.
@@normalguysupercar If you are near Georgia you are welcome to drive it!!
@@rnlbluernlblue1380the exhaust will make it way lounder and boomier inside
They're both wondrous machines, I'd be ecstatic with either!
Enjoy.
Yes they are!
I have a 718 GT4. PRO: mid-engine is better and more natural feeling than rear-engine and more approachable. CON: Multilink rear of the 911 is superior to the strut based rear-end of the Cayman.
Ah yes
Dan's expression at 15:58 is the best reaction to which is more fun!
Lol yes
Hey Dan. The Cayman (981) GT4 has aftermarket wing risers and It wouldn't surprise me if the rear wing is aftermarket as well. The 'standard' GT4 is quite a good looking car.
Yes
I'm not a Porsche enthusiast, but the cars are superior. And, the Porsche guys seem rack up the miles and drive their cars hard.
I wouldn't call them superior but they are fun
@@normalguysupercarrelative to?
@@thedog5k.. probably to his Ferrari
I liked how gt4 drives but love to own gt3.
Yes
you’ve driven them all. Between the Gallardo, F430, and GT3, Which one would you personally go for?
Eh it's tough. I like all 3. I probably would still prefer the 430 but I just love them.
@@normalguysupercar thank you for your input. Love the content
I’ve always wanted a Porsche because of reliability. Am I incorrect?
Eh I think they are fairly reliable but the reliability things is overblown
Not a Porsche guy but those pops & bangs were pretty cool...
Haha I'm not complaining
I'll take either one. I hope you get to test out the Cayman GT4RS.
Me too!
18:39 gt3 launch 🚀 22:16 put gt3 body kit on GT4 and save some money 💰 OR gt2 with gt3 body kit save money 💰
That's just looks though.
gt3 would be my choice.
Agreed
Are either of those available in a convertible?
I think there's a spider version of the GT4 RS now but super limited
The GT3 or a 458? Both rev to 9K, which is feels more insane at 9k?
458. But the GT3 is close
Just love my 981 GT4, its a raw drivers car, 991.2 GT3 is twice the price but is it twice the car?
Yup
How does the Honda CB70 compare?
I don't know, haven't driven one
@@normalguysupercar I thought that small bike behind the GT4 was one.
@@jato62 nope, it's a Trail 70.
718 GT4 6MT here. Three pedals was a non negotiable.
I have owned a 2015 981 Cayman S and a 2018 991 911 GT3. In your case, the GT 3 is the more desirable car. However, the 718 Cayman GT4 RS actually has a real Porsche GT engine.
The first generation GT 4 that you’re driving was geared way too long. The 718 GT 4 is a 3 L engine bored out to a 4 L engine. If you get the GT 4 RS, it is a true 4 L GT engine just like a GT3 and it revs all the way up to that 9000 range
BTW, my Cayman S had PDK and the GT3 was manual. The Porsche manual transmissions are great but their dual clutch PDK IS just awesome. I wish my GT 3 was a PDK and not a manual. My Cayman S also had the sport plus package which included launch control and that is just so much fun.
Yeah shorter gears would have made a big help
718 GT4 has the same gearing as the 981 GT4. Difference is the 718 has a touch more power and slightly higher redline. The gearing really isn't much different than the GT3, again, you don't notice as much in the GT3 because of the added power and quicker revving. The 981 GT4 was an experiment. They had to handicap with 30hp less than the same engine had when it was in the Carrera S and some longer gearing, otherwise, it'd probably be more liked than the PDK-onky 991.1 GT3.
@@normalguysupercar Porsche Sports cars are designed for track use and all have long 1st and 2nd gears, Cup Cars are the same very long first and second gears. Race cars have long gears, rally cars have short gears.
I like both cars. Personally, not having driven them, I'd prefer the Cayman if you removed the roll bar. I'd also replace the seats on both cars with the electric "comfort seats" because I wouldn't be tracking either car and those buckets look like a PITA to get in & out of. I do like the rear seat delete on the GT3. I used to own a VW Golf R with the DSG trans and really loved that.
Yeah the carbon seats are not the most comfy or friendly for getting in and out
I struggled hard when picking the 718 GT4 over a 911, but I've always been a fan of the mid-engine as my first Porshe was a 914 way back in the day. I like the cleaner, slicker side profile also. Don't get me wrong. That 911 rear is the best. I've driven several 992 S's and that rear dip takes some getting used to in the corners. You have to learn just trust it :). I went with the PDK and 18-way seats. I own a modified 89 E30 which I've owned since new which is enough manual shifting for me.
Live tonight Dan?
Oops, forgot to schedule it. Yes
Driven a few Boxsters and 911s of different eras. I tend to prefer the 911 if I were to buy one bearing in mind they are alot more expensive
Agreed
Gt3 🔥 🔥🔥🔥
Yup
I share the same sentiment. But to be honest I'm much more comfortable with front-engine cars. Even with my 4C, I'm still trying to get used to its behavior in the turns at the track. My other track car is an Alfa with the transmission in the rear and engine at the front, so it's very balanced. But hey if you're a good driver you can adapt to anything. I'm certainly not one of those good drivers.
Yeah it takes a while to get used to the balance and behavior
GT4
Hmm ok
Id love to see your reactions to driving a GT2 R2. The Big BIG dog 911 Porsche!
I suspect I would like it
My neighbor said that she thought her F150 Lightning was faster than both those cars. Rolling my eyes lol.
Maybe off the line. Let's try some corners
I can cook a steak faster in the microwave, but I sure wouldn't want to eat it. :)
There is no substitute 😊
I can think of a few
I can think of more than a few.
Porsche GT cars are wonderful cars, but the marketing behind them may be better than the actual machines themselves.
Having driven both platforms from Porsche, I prefer the mid-engined Boxster/Cayman. The weight of the 911 engine is too far back. But the Ferrari chassis feels lighter and far more nimble than either Porsche. Plus you get the glorious-sounding V8. I do like the cabin layout and build quality of the lesser Porsche.
It's hard to beat the balance of a mid engine car.
At the 16:00 mark, WOW!!!
Ohhhhh yes.
I personally like the cayman, because it’s a mid-engine.
Yeah the balance is very nice
I think I laughed just as long as you did after the launch…😂
Lol it's hilariously awesome
See Dan do the O-face.
Haha
Manual cayman gt4 all the. Just needs shorter gears
Yes that would help
That exhaust sounds tragicly horrible at start-up, decel and idle for a GT3/Flat-six.. such a shame.
Ok
911 will always be top dog at the end! Everything else is second fiddle!
Well.... Not everything.
😂 I meant in the Porsche lineup 😅
Oh Porsche Porsche!!! The cars that always look the same but nobody complains!!!
Lol
🚀 Rocket Ships 🚀 🌎
Oh yes
Yup, I agree this GT3 is the Shit...
Yup
The lower the GTx, the better.
Haha right?
There used to be a fat guy who loved Porsche...
We don't talk about him
And you never should!
Aren't both available with manual? Caymann is a wonderful car - even not successful in terms of sales. Best Porsche channel is www.youtube.com/@carswithluke
Yes both were available as a manual
Dan is up to nefarious activities again.
Lol sometimes
Porsche center locks are beyond dumb. Useless for anything other than a race car. A GT3 is NOT a race car.
Agreed!
The GT3 sounds like a VW Beetle to me when idling.
It does a bit.
Ferrari dan ferrari
Yup