IFR training - ILS approach - 51 knot cross wind at Fix - Flying - ATC audio
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- Task Saturation and Brain Mush! IFR flying after a year off…
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Link to Part 1 (Holding with a 51 KT cross wind):
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I did my best to maintain the essence of the training; however, it is unavoidable, that some context has been lost in editing.
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“I didn’t reset my timer, dammit”
-Every instrument student pilot ever.
Got a good chuckle out of that. Thanks Steve!
Many people (including pilots) are not always willing to post things that did not go perfectly well. This vid is a great example of someone trying to get it right. Part of the lesson did not turn out just right for you, yet you are willing to share. It is what I love about your channel. In the end, you learned some things and allowed us to do the same by sharing. Thanks for the great quality video, audio commentary and kudos to what appears to be a wonderful instructor.
Grant Armstrong Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it, and yes, this video works in large part due to Dennis' awesomeness.
+FlightChops Exactly. I learn so much from these. Ty
Learning in Savannah Ga
This video is an excellent demonstration for what it's like to be so darn busy that you literally can't think. It is good for other pilots to see that it is perfectly normal for a student to be task saturated because instrument flying can be intimidating. I remember if I ever had a quiet moment in the cockpit my instructor would ask me "Is there anything else you can think of?" Nine out of ten times there was. Keep it up!!!
Joshua Reed Thanks Joshua! I think you've given me the theme to go with when I share this one on reddit - which I am just about to do - I'm not a cocky pilot, but I'm proud of the film making here - I think you're correct that this is a very well captured example of task saturation :)
If you're flying IFR and you have a quiet moment in the cockpit, chances are you are forgetting something that you should be doing ;)
Mexx Imilian agreed!
More like - "I'm so neurotic that I can't process tasks that are easy"
I am a 55 year old recent PPL and 20 hour IFR student. Really appreciate the quality of your videos as well as the integrity of the content. I understand the genesis of the integrity was born from your desire to debrief from the videos and use it as a learning tool. Really excellent way for me to pick up some tips and improve my own flying experience. Looking at you during task saturation and problem solving is really helpful. Thanks for putting so much love and joy into these videos.
+unwiredcowboy Thanks so much for the friendly feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed this one. It wasn't hard to appear task saturated, that's for sure :P
Oh IFR. Even though I most recently got my IFR rating, watching this brings back all the pain.
+achemze :)
You really hit it home with the timer bit. I felt like I was always forgetting something and i just couldn't get my fingers in all the wholes in the dam. Glad that's over with!
This CFI could flunk me and I'd still be happy. Wish I had him for IFR training.
+TVWXMAN32 I know, right? I just forwarded this comment to Dennis - I know he'll appreciate it - Glad you liked the video, and thanks for the kind words.
this is a great illustration with aviation's "catch 22", theres all these wonderful new gadgety tools student and amateur pilots have at their disposal to make flying so much safer, the other side of it is once you become so reliant on those tools, once they malfunction you end up much less safe of a flyer to yourself and everyone under and around you.
Awesome CFII -- I love his demeanor, tempo, information - everything.
Also impressed that you're willing to publish all the stuff that reveals your mistakes, oversights, wish to have technology do the manual stuff for us, etc. You become a better pilot and you share your learnings with others -- so we can look forward to making the same mistakes!! Yeah!! Thx. Paul
As an IFR student I felt tense when watching this video with the actual task saturated activities. If the pilot talked less and in short sentences I probably would be less tense!
This is a great training video.
That was an awesome video. The winds you were dealing with blew my mind. I am a private VFR pilot. I am in the FAAwings program. So I fly with a flight instructor about every 2 months. The last time I flew he told me we will do everything IFR. Yikes! The ceilings were marginal. SO. It was a great introduction in flying the needles in a real airplane in clouds and shooting an approach at a non towered airport (KMJG) and at a towered airport (KSWF). My instructor walked me through the briefing and flight plan and handled all the radios. Still just flying was a mind bender. Saturation indeed. But fun and enlightening. IFR. The real meat of flying. Anyway, I hope you continue your IFR training. Your vids will sure help me and others who are just thinking about it. It's a whole nother level of control. Great challenge. Be well and be safe.
I love how chill this CFII is
Not a pilot, but just spent a week on my boat, low vis fog, nighttime passages, family on board distractions, trying to work the radios and track targets via radar, tugs, commercial ships, lobster pots, and fishing boats. Task saturated with major pucker and all of that at only 6Kt in 2D space... Love your videos, I'm learning so much which applies to being on the water. Thank you for all the effort and honest learning via video production.
You're doing a great job helping your fellow pilots learn, and by extension, stay safe. Great job, sir!
Thanks!
Seriously....god bless you for making these videos. I have been looking for this very topic on holding/high workload IFR for years, and quality videos are very hard to find. You have a dedicated subscriber in me. Thank you brother. Great information presented here.
Thanks Brian! I really appreciate the feedback. It seems I've accidentally stumbled upon a successful format here :)
This video is so useful! It helps us understand that messing up is all part of the learning process. You are helping a lot of students!
Task saturated...perfect example. Thanks.
Steve, another delightful video as always. I am a PPL in the US. I especially enjoy that you show your 'struggles' as well as your 'wins'. I always learn something from your videos and it's nice to have the understanding that others struggle early on in their training as well. I hope you will continue to post these Instrument training lessons so we can continue to learn with you. Dennis seems to be a wonderful instructor and is very patient and professional. This is very important as you become 'task saturated' as you mentioned. Keep up the great work and know that we appreciate your efforts.
Larry Schronce Thanks Larry! I will continue to make and share videos of my IFR training (although they won't all be this epic (I wanted to start the series with a couple "Full Productions" - it is a large under taking to shoot with the crew, and rather distracting - so the next few IFR videos will be simpler, but still immersive - I'll not try to cover such broad strokes, and will focus on specific details with a "set it and forget it" camera on the panel and view, so I can focus on the training and not think as much about film making while flying - I'll add footage from CloudAhoy while editing which is when most of the work will happen...) I will also have other types of flying mixed to keep the content variable and entertaining. And yes, these things are working well in large part thanks to Dennis being such an awesome instructor.
I agree. Showing The challenges he faced during the training was very important. Quite often videos spend very little time focusing on that aspect.
Brian Hunter I really appreciate these comments as I'm occasionally hesitant to "put myself out there" like this, but then I think to myself, ahh what the hell, it's the concept behind the whole thing, so let's go with it :)
Superb videos! Brings back wonderful memories. Nothing beats the feeling of mastering IFR, and honing your situational awareness! Thank you!
fabsmullet Thanks! I look forward to getting an Instrument rating, and aspiring to master it.
Drinking through a fire hose! Oh my god you’re bringing back memories. Heck I made some of those memories yesterday, lol. You were doing a great job regardless. Single pilot instrument flying with no auto pilot is the most difficult thing a pilot can do in my humble opinion. I speak from experience!
It's crazy how instructional your videos are. we appreciate you my friend. I have never watched a flightchops video without learning something.
+Edward Vanhoose - friendly feedback appreciated :)
this is the first time ive ever seen how busy piloting is. i was drained just watching. great insight into flying thanks very much
+43whisky Thanks, but to be honest, IFR training is designed to be hard. It is MUCH more task saturated and "compressed" than actual IFR flying. Like the plate that I'm struggling to brief while holding, would have been briefed in advance, etc...
Great video, education and entertaining. I really like your CFII. He seems very calm and professional.
Also, an hour of Hoodwork is super taxing. I would not want to fly long in IMC without another IFR rated pilot or an autopilot.
DocsOn APlane Thanks! And yes, I don't look forward to ever having to do actual IMC for long periods... My goal with it is to use it to climb up on top for some lovely cruising, and then descend into it briefly for n approach that is not to minimums :) I'll essentially look at my IFR rating as a license to fly in marginal VFR while I build up my experience slowly.
Sane here and to be better equipped for long cross countries and changing weather conditions.
These videos are fantastic and well put together. I got my PPL when i was 17 back in 2001 but havent been able to fly since, these vids have brought back my desire of flight and i'll be getting back in the saddle soon! Thanks!
***** Awesome to hear that James - I am happy to help inspire you to get back into flying!
***** I'm booked to go for a ride in an Extra 300 on Mar 7th! Figured id have a little fun before i get back into it :)
***** That's awesome - where are you flying the Extra? at Gauntlet?
***** No i live in Los Angeles, there's a place called Sunrise Aviation in Santa Ana where they have an extra.
Great example of "real world" IFR training and the stress induced "task saturation". Good to see a video
with real time and real work exemplified. Thanks FlightChops! This Instructor is one cool and unflappable
dude. Would have loved to have had him as my Instructor!
Thanks so much for doing these IFR videos. I've been out of flying for a while but I'm working on getting back into it and these videos have confirmed for me my decision to start working on my instrument rating ASAP. Keep up the great work!
Larry Richmond Thanks Larry - it is super rewarding to hear I've been a part of inspiring you to get into IFR - thanks for letting me know.
Hey FlightChops! I keep coming back to this video as I am in my instrument training. It's good to be reminded that others have the same issues as me. My landings have been terrible after hood time. The transition from IFR to VFR is not easy. Thanks for all you do for your brothers and sisters in aviation!
Thanks for the videos buddy. I'm really digging them. I fly helos and I'm currently working on my IFR ticket as well. Went through fixed wing training years back so I understand the specifics of your tasks, now it's a whole other monster in a rotor. I like your attitude and personality and really appreciate your willingness to post videos even when you aren't looking like a rock star pilot like most of us want to be seen. Keep it up man. I've subscribed so I hope I get to see more of your inst training soon! (I know it's been since Feb, hopefully you've got your IFR by now. :) )
~Caleb
+Caleb Evenson Thanks Caleb, and unfortunately, nope, I'm still slowly plugging away at IFR... I still need to do the written test. other distractions keep coming up and slowing my progress. I can't complain though - life is good and the distractions are mostly flying related - just not IFR flying :P I'll get there eventually.
I wanted to say thanks for sharing these videos! As a CFI-I I have my students watch your videos to stay engaged and "back seat fly" in order to identify mistakes in the hope that they will not make the same mistakes. I love the angles, high resolution, and blend of old school skills with high tech gadget incorporation! Oh, and if you do ever want to come to Orlando as you stated in this film, let me know, I will gladly take you up at rental cost good sir! Thanks again, keep up the good work, and keep your flight chops strong!
-Dave
Freelance CFI-I, Melbourne, FL
dpunusaf I REALLY appreciate this comment! It is super rewarding to hear that my stuff is being used by an instructor to augment training! Super awesome! And heck yeah I'd like to fly around in FL with you! email me your info and I'll add it to my international flying friends list :) flightchops at gmail dot com
After 6 years hiatus from all flying, I am completing my 5 year currency requirements and an IPC for my IFR. I feel ALL of your pain. While you are wise to post your disclaimer about this not being instructional, for already rated pilots this is such a blessing to see. Especially with the cloudsahoy etc. The knowledge is all up there at this point but it's nice to see the additional situational awareness and visualizations to knock some things loose.
That's the real and good instructor have fun with IFR keep calm and trust your instructor
That Instructor is giving me a lot of confidence. Great Job!
Really enjoyed that - I've been watching a lot of your vids recently and this one popped up, so I watched it during my lunch break. I'm somewhere about half way through my PPL (So a million miles away from even thinking about IFR), but what I'm enjoying about your videos is that you (as a person and a pilot) are in a really nice middle ground between your average pilots recording for posterity and CFI's etc doing instructional videos.
+hermand Thanks! You've definitely caught the vibe I was going for some where between simply capturing the experience, but also trying to offer some value in the context of sharing training and real world lessons.
Great to see you pushing yourself more and more in the aviation world , amazing videos!
Fabrizio Bautista Thanks!
Thank you for taking the time to document your journey and sharing your story.
Thanks for posting this. I had many instrument training flights that I was glad nobody ever saw.
Never got my instrument rating but I am so thankful that my cfii gave me 15 hours of under the hood training before i did my private pilot test and then flew a 150 cross country from new York to vero beach. Instrument training definitely taxes the brain while flying. Had to shoot my first ILS approach during that flight into Orlando. I was wiped out and exhausted. That's another story for a different time. Love your videos and Stevo1's too.
Another great video... I experienced that same "mush mind" recently on a lesson with my instructor. Just thirty minutes away from home base under the hood tracking a VOR and then coming off the hood as we passed midfield of an airport that I've never landed at before. I knew what I needed to do to land the airplane but I found myself having to almost talk myself through the procedures. I'll be taking my check ride soon for my PPL then I'll be going right into Instrument training.
Great plan Greg - there is no reason not to go straight into IFR after getting the PPL - I sort of wish I'd done it that way when I was "in the zone" - And I like the sound of "Mind Mush" better than "Brain Mush" :) I think I'll use that one from now on.
Great video - very interesting and well presented. Your instructor is so chilled, nothing seems to phase him lol. In my early days of flying, on a cross country, I thought I was doing so well as my instructor was very quiet/chilled. After a while of silence I turned to look at him - he was fast asleep and slavering down his shoulder. I woke him up and he said 'just get us home' and then went back to sleep :-)
+sheffair1 That story is awesome and sorta scary all at the same time :P
I recently started my instrument training also. I hope you don't mind if I add my 2 cents.
Brief the approach at least 20 miles from the airport, (when you do your approach checklist) instead of while holding. (also get weather)
Always check the lights, even if you only plan to fly during the day. If your flight is delayed and you have no lights, cancel.
Take off the sunglasses when going visual at night!
Finally 51 knots wind is insane! The most I've been in was 25, and I felt like I was going sideways, I probably couldn't hold the localizer with 51 knots either!
Best of luck with your training and fly safe!
EDIT: I originally thought this video was uploaded in Feb 16.... So I guess you're done with your training now!
It sure is awesome to breakout of the clouds and see a runway right where it's supposed to be!
Tony Fletcher I know right? I can't wait to be able to say I am instrument rated :)
Thanks for sharing this video - takes a lot of guts to post videos for a large audience when things are a "mess" as you described it at one point. In training, the whole point is to force you into lots of task saturation points - but in a real environment, as you probably already know, you'd be brieifing that approach when you're 20 miles away from the airport, giving you a lot more time to focus on flying near the airport. Once you master this (and you will), you will know you're ready.
mmharrin Thanks! and fore sure - I know training is ultimately harder than the rel IFR world for the most part... And yes, part of the point of these videos was to get me task saturated fast - it helped that I was also essentially acting as a film maker at the same time :P I make sure not to think about shooting when I am PIC - it's set it and forget it GoPros and if a friend is with me shooting - he get's what he get's and I don't think about that.
Wow, I don't even know what to say here man. I always see your videos come up, but never have the time to watch any. Tonight I have some time, and I'm bingeing. These are getting so so good. I can't wait to get in the airplane again. As always, thank you.
Also, the A7s is the best small camera I've ever used. Absolutely agree.
Ryan Symancek Awesome thanks Ryan! Welcome. Enjoy the back catalog - we've got over 50 videos now, and I'm proud of all of them - it's kinda crazy!
Ryan Symancek let me know if you are ever in the markets for Sony camera gear. I am normally $50-100+ less than B&H on pricing.
Wow, just rewatching some of these videos (huge FlightChops fan and getting current again) and saw your name in the comments... what are the chances?? Let me know if you want to go up sometime!
I was lucky to have some awesome instructors during my PPL training, picked up instrument flying within the first hour to PPL flight test standards. Need 5 hrs for PPL licence requirements, so had an extra 4 hours to practice precision approaches.
Spoke with other students who had instructors who literally spent the whole 5 hrs doing nothing but the standard rate turn 1 min, 2 min straight/level, standard rate 1 min flight test item, and some very basic VOR work.
Familiarity withILS regardless of being non instrument rated is a huge safety benefit I think. Last year there was a student pilot in the states who had an oil leak onto the windshield totally obstructing his forward visibility during a daytime VFR flight. He managed to get down safely with the help of ATC and his instruments. Pretty impressive for a student pilot to pull off a instrument landing right down to runway altitude.
Great job Steve. Good to see you getting serious about IFR and training regularly.
A.T.1357 Thanks Ali! I'm seriously, serious about mostly trying to get my IFR done... I think :P It's part of the reason I'm making the videos public - I need some accountability so that I don't quit again :)
***** Haha nice, well, as long as you're super cereal...
+A.T.1357 just enjoying the comments again (9 months later as we approach the end of 2015) :P And I have not made much IFR progress... Dang it! But in other news - Flight Chops is "almost" a full time job now... so there's that :)
+FlightChops Dude, that's awesome! Really glad to hear FC is growing!!! Get the IR though, I need a safety pilot!
Awesome video, showcasing the IFR training environment and breaking it down was truly interesting and educational for any IFR student out there. Hope to see more these videos in the future!
Hayden Flemming Thanks Hayden! Lots more IFR stuff coming - I just need to catch my breath and will probably be releasing some tail wheel stuff that I shot in the summer next - but I'll be training and recording my IFR flights all winter (to be edited and shared later in the summer)!
Great video! It definitely shows how much work goes into IFR flying.
Mike E Thanks Mike, and yes, learning IFR is a rather large under taking :P
Awesome video !!! I am reminded of my first few lessons in IFR during my VFR training my Instructor is an old school Air Force pilot who believes in the fire-hose to the mouth technique. Intense and occasional overload of the brain ! but your honesty in sharing what goes on in the cockpit is great it can be humbling to say the least. keep the videos coming amigo !!!
Bill Fernandez Thanks Bill!
Thanks so much for your efforts producing this particular video. It's completely awesome and useful to be able to watch it.
Marcelo Schiavon Thanks Marcelo! I appreciate the feedback and am glad you found it useful.
Beautiful! I'm about to tackle my instrument rating and this stuff is money. Thanks, Flightchops!
Thanks for the video, makes me feel better about my progress on my instrument rating. There is a lot to keep track of and it's easy to get task saturated quickly.
DAN WOLFE Happy to share - glad you enjoyed it Dan
What are the most important things in IFR flying?
The next two things I have to do.
Very sensible and down to earth instructor pilot.
Feeling the intensity of the training in this video. It immediately reminded me of my VFR training days. Especially the part about task saturation. Oh man. There were times when the instructor would talk and it would feel like he's just hurling instructions at me at the speed of sound. I remember thinking in those moments: "I don't know what you're talking about dude".
It's also amazing how with enough practice, any complex skill (or set of interrelated of skills) can be acquired and then re-used with much less brain overload. So that leaves room for other things during a flight. I find the more I fly, the better the enjoyment I am able to get out of each flight, simply because I'm able to carry out my flight duties safely with more easy (I am a low hours pilot). Of course, though, it is important to remember that no flight is routine, as you often stress in your videos.
I think most people outside of the aviation circles underestimate the amount of discipline it takes to acquire and then to maintain proficiency in flying. Aviation shows on TV don't help educate people in that regard. All they really convey is how seemingly dangerous and perilous flying is. Except maybe for the The Aviators show. But it's not mainstream enough. Unless I'm mistaken.
Anyway. Keep them coming. Your videos always get me all pumped up for flying.
Dabarda Awesome comment man! I really appreciate you taking the time to leave these thoughts here!
Really liking the IFR videos! Also I thought I might add that I received my Flight Chops patches in the mail yesterday for being a Patreon supporter and there are even better than they looked online! Definitely going on the flight bag today. It took me about 5 minutes to build up the courage to open the Canadian stamped letter with no return address and a printed and taped on sending address though... I halfway expected anthrax or a ransome note! But Flight Chops patches are definitely better than anthrax, so in hindsight it was definitely worth the risk. Keep the videos coming!
Thomas Lo Sciuto Haha - thanks Thomas! It hadn't occurred to me that the packages might seem scary :P Good point - I'm just trying to find an efficient way to manually mail those suckers out! It's a good problem to have so many supporters on Pateron though :) Thanks again for the support - it's totally why I'm able to keep this thing going,
Another great vid. I loved that awesome sunset. Too bad you didn't get to see it live. You and Dennis make a great team and I can tell he's enjoying the process. You too!!
weatherandsky Thanks Kerry! and yes - Dennis is awesome - He's a huge part of why these videos are working so well. He also assists by consulting while I am editing to help me get the details correct.
That's pretty awesome!!
I love watching these videos I always pick something up that helps with my approaches. I have about 17 hours in a Cessna 206 I just bought.
It has the Aspen pro 1000 and the Avidyne 540 in it. It's a handful to fly single pilot IFR in a new plane with new equipment in it.
Although I have over 25,000 hours total and four type ratings Dc8,737,DA2000 and c560xls. I sometimes feel like I only have a private pilot license and it's easy to screw something up without another crew member to help you if you miss something. Keep up the good videos thanks.
Dennis is so awsome, and you are too! I love love love your videos. My dream is to become a pilot as a career, and I must say, you are what all aviators (and humans in general) should be. You ARE AWSOME. Thank you so much for these amazing videos
*should be like
+AlecFlying Thanks so much for this supportive comment :) Dennis is great, I'm lucky to have him as a mentor, and happy to share what I can of his awesomeness via the videos :).
Doing my IR at CYTZ currently. I flew this similar route yesterday! Held at the ZHA beacon and shot the ILS 12 and then on the missed we did the full procedure for the the Localizer/NDB 30! Nice work
+hasan shirazi That's awesome! I love flying out of YTZ! It was the dang Super Cub that pulled me over to ZBA :P Say hi to Mel and the gang!
I can't believe I am now finding this channel!! Really good stuff keep up the good work. I start my instrument training in August.
Jonathan Rennie Right on! Glad you found us! Check the back catalog - There are over 50 videos now! We've been making a couple new videos every month, and just hit the 2 year mark for the channel!!
Great video! This was me when I got back into my instrument training after 1 year too. But after a few flights you get back into the groove of things.
RoyRobert F-A Thanks Roy! I'm reasonably confident that I'll get there - I just need to make the time to stay consistent at it!
Great instructor!
Considering you were out of IFR training for 11 months and had a 51-kt crosswind at 3k' MSL, I'd say you did very well, Steve! Not the most ideal conditions to be restarting your training but a great test for most. I'm sorry you won't have more IFR videos for a while, as I am extremely likely going into GA. Don't worry, I'll keep watching your tail-wheel videos. Nice shot of the Challenger! Good luck! -Jaron Breen (SA.com user)
That was great insight on just how busy things get when you're an IFR student. Now I know what I have to look forward to.
Happy to share! enjoy your IFR training!
Thanks for sharing your flaws and warts! that really helps. Passed my IFR written today - start my instruction next Saturday!
This video is awesome! I enjoyed the honesty and reality of it. Too often, we post the stuff that looks great and hide our struggles. I just started instrument training and needed this very much! Liked, subscribed, and tuned in!
Nice video. I'm working on my IFR rating (passed written about 8 months ago and have done 3 lessons or so), and I say the same thing after my lessons, that my brain feels like mush and I'm totally drained. Seems like IFR really taxes the brain, but in a good way, kind of similar to the way I feel after running a race. Thanks again for the great IFR training video and hope to see more to help inspire me on my journey to the IFR rating.
I just finished my fourth lesson and on my last landing I Porpoised down the runway like crazy. My instructor called it a "four hopper". I just could not get the damn thing down on the runway! But we were also landing into a 27 knot headwind (gusting) and that had something to do with it as well. I cannot wait to go "under the hood". But it is an expensive hobby. The iPad for all the charts is my next purchase. And a hand held aviation radio.
Wow....great video....loved the whole thing. Havent started my instrument yet....but I am excited about doing it. Watching this gave a great feel for what I may be in for. Love your channel!! Thanks for all the effort putting it together.
Sean Mulligan Thanks Sean! Glad you enjoyed it - We did our best to share how IFR training feels - pre-flight briefing and all. Thanks for letting us know you think we succeeded.
Great video as always! Task Saturation is a real threat, best thing you can do to avoid it is to plan ahead! I know it isn't always possible, especially when doing training with back-to-back approaches; but whenever possible it really helps to get your approach briefing done early while still in the enroute phase. My instructors taught me that while on instruments, except during the approach, you should always be thinking "is there something I could be doing right now?" Good luck with training! :)
Steve's videos set an excellent example for all pilots, that ego can only get you so far. The rest is vigilance and continuous re-examination of performance.
I finally got my instrument ticket this afternoon! You'll love flying IFR!
+Flightx52 Congrats! I can't wait to be able to say I got my instrument rating done!
Great video it shows the importance of just how bad in can end up hand flying an ILS, seemingly minor adjustments and it can go sideways quick
Being in the middle of my IFR training in college I can defiantly say from experience that everything happens quickly, and if your not prepared and on top of your game you can get behind the airplane really quickly. Even through the hard parts of IFR flight it's so worth it!!! #BoseA20
I like that land leg analogy. It really is weird finally being able to look outside again. Or breaking out of the OVC layer after 1+ hour in IMC. The best experience yet for me though was taking off the hood on the way back from CYKF after my MIFR ride, just looking out of the window, no talking and no thinking.
Mexx Imilian That's awesome - So you got to just be a passenger for the return trip? I can totally relate to how that would feel - and agreed - just enjoy the view and not think at all after a ride like the MIFR! wow. I can't imagine.
My flight test was on a VMC day and the IFR portion is over on your way back. So you are just following radar vectors back and can look out of the window. Which is a huge change in workload compared to your hold to ILS transition with engine failure followed by single engine approach ;)
Transitioned to a C152 (flew a 172 in both PPL and IFR training) for the first time for my Commercial training the other night, and my first time in the airplane was in the dark (night lesson) and the landing light burned out on us eve after checking it on the pre-flight (and of course, no taxi light on the 152). So that's one way to learn how to fly a new airplane, land at night with no lights lol. We were literally using a flashlight to taxi because the taxi lights were blocked by snow. Sometimes I wished I filmed my flights xD. That Sony camera is a beast!
Rich Eklund Thanks for sharing your story about a dark landing - it's good to know you can do it! and yes, the A7s has changed the way I think about low light shooting!
Ya know, looking at this video I have the utmost respect for folks that can do this. I had my second PPL lesson today. It was basic effects of controls stuff. I had a different instructor, and he threw it about a lot more than in the first lesson I had, he called it something like conditioning to environment? Basically seeing how I respond to the physical side of it.
Well I was loving it at first, but then we were doing some near-spins by holding the rudder in and learning to control it out, and BAM - felt super, super sick in a split second. That was it after that, couldn't take anything in, concentrate, felt I would barf at any moment, so I asked to just go back. The guy said it was normal, but TBH I felt really crap about it, and missed out on all the learning from the landing. The idea of doing all that stuff in IFR with such a demand, physically and mentally, that's difficult. Hats off to you!
EDIT: Aww man. I just reviewed the gopro footage and its mostly awful. Overexposed, cant see the outside terrain, and looks like I mounted it too low (used the gooseneck from a ceiling mount). Can see a bit of the dash and the occasional flash of outside scenery, but mostly its just our backs. Pretty bummed about the whole experience TBH :(
Mirandorl DON'T BE DISCOURAGED! You're just 2 lessons in you say? First off, I think your instructor was a tad cocky to do so much maneuvering with you for your second lesson - so don't be hard on yourself for feeling queasy. As for shooting GoPros - it takes some practice to figure out the ideal angles and settings. Best bet is to frame up and take a test shot and then review it before you even go; that way you at least know what you're looking at. Exposure wise, if you you put the camera in a position to try to get both inside and outside in the same shot, you're asking for trouble - it is nearly impossible to get both. That's why even when I am shooting the most basic videos, I still roll at least 2 cameras - one is dedicated to the panel, the other the view. email me and I can send you some more details about my process if you're interested. But bottom line, have fun, enjoy the training, and expect some tough days - So congrats - you've already had your first tough day :) for more info, contact me at flightchops at gmail dot com
***** Haha yeah I guess so. That nausea really knocks you for six, but I have my next lesson booked! I will definitely drop you a line, and some Patreon bucks! Keep that flyin' goodness coming :)
Thanks for the great video! I am working through IFR training now and it's good to see I'm not alone in all of this :)
Nice! IFR training is drainiing... been there done it. Still need to finish it. Thanks for sharing it keeps me jazzed.
JoeCoolPilot Thanks for letting me know you enjoyed it - I appreciate the feedback.
Thanks for the video! I enjoy watching. When you get your IFR rating it will be a great achievement.
+CMallory Thanks! and agreed! I can't wait to get that Instrument Rating done!
Great work. I'm an IFR student too. I have the same late-flare tendency at night, and I know how long IFR lessons are with work overload...jeez! It's hard work. Keep at it!
I stumble across this video trying to review my IFR knowledge. I realized you were flying FVPV in this video which is currently registered at the flight school I'm working at (PROIFR), small world!
Well Steve, once again a great video. I just received an update from ForeFlight and low and behold you are there front and centre with ForeFlight promoting your association. Looks like you've moved up a step I would say. You deserve it and I look forward to more videos. Hope to see you at CZBA one of these days so we can talk "shop" about our respective IFR training.
Stephen Robinson Yes, it is pretty cool to have the support and promotional assistance from ForeFlight - but the crowd funding is a big help getting me closer to covering my costs (I'm not there yet as I keep raising the bar on my self and increasing production values, so I'm still in "the red", but we're having a lot of fun making the videos! So, huge thanks for the support! it really makes a difference! - And for sure let's meet and talk some time - how far into the IFR training are you? I could use a study buddy!
yo Chops, awesome video and very inspiring! Good luck with the IFR!
Big Bob Thanks Bob!
Excellent job my friend. Keep up the good work. Props to the cameraman too.
Martyn Bourner Thanks! And yes, James is an awesome director / shooter!
Yay part 2 :) It's cool cause I just did a basic IFR hood training flight for my PPL the other day too, makes this that much more interesting!
CanadianAussie awesome - glad you could relate!
Note your wind correction inbound on the hold fix. Make your standard 15 degree turn at the fix. On the outbound 1 minute leg double your into the wind correction. During your turns the wind is going to balance your holding pattern so that your inbound leg will be good. This way your turns are always standard 15 degree. During your standard turns from the fix that wind will either be ballooning your pattern or keeping you close. But the doubling the inbound correction on the outbound leg fixes you up for a clean inbound to the fix with the original inbound wind correction. Remember at one of the turns you are going to have a tail or head wind and the doubling inbound correction for your outbound leg adjusts for both ends being different. Have at it and enjoy. It's just as simple as the confusion once you learn it. Just double that outbound wind correction.
+AH6OY input appreciated. Thanks for adding some helpful tips to the conversation. We did cover that in future lessons, it is a great tip and I will share it when breaking down holds in a future video.
I got my instrument rating this October. This stuff is WAY harder than it looks when you first do it. Good luck man! Fly safe.
Great video. Very representative of a typical IFR training flight.
+Nick S Thanks - and I appreciate the feedback confirming we achieved our objective to create a realistic glimpse into IFR training!
Hey man, great video!
Would love to see more of IFR training and how it´s going along. A trick that I learned form my instructor was that if you got a wind correction from the left on your inbound leg, you double that wind correction for the outbound leg, and if you got wind correction from right on your inbound leg, you tipple that wind correction for the outbound leg. And by using that you should be able to either join the localizer or start another inbound leg with a standard turn without flying out of the designated safety area.
Hope that it will help :)
I am also an IFR student using an iPad. My instructor has me disable the tracking mode so it is for viewing plates only. I annotate all my plates (ForeFlight) highlighting all pertinent information. Alt = red, courses radials and headings = blue, frequencies = green, holds, vors, intersections and fixes = yellow, iaf faf if above the fixes = orange, I also type in my step down altitudes in red (easier to read) this do in both plan and profile. On the airport I hightlight the runway lengths in orange and the runway ends in yellow. This helps my find what need to know to easy, no hunting around for it and obviously very handy in turbulence ( no tendency to hold finger on a spot). I have done all plates at all the airports within 75 miles and add to it as my destinations increase. My only wish is that foreflight updated my iPhone with these annotations. I use an iPad mini 4 on the yoke but can attaché to windscreen with suction should I be flying the citabria instead of the 172. I also have an iPad Pro 10.5 which also fits on Cessna yoke. I can then suction my iPhone onto the left window area next to the yoke. Lastly I have the Apple Watch series 4 with the “nearest app” on it, FlyQ airport viewer, and obviously fore flight to get me to the nearest airport should I need that. I have to mention, I also use flyQ in map mode because it highlights airport condition as big red yellow or green circles for ifr, mvfr anf vor conditions.didvi mention the Cessna is a 2016 with g1000? Yes I am redundant , hence the “dropped my iPad on the ice” comment your instructor used. I did/do learn the round gauge way in the FTD simulator, to save money and learn the old school way concurrently. G1000 is so much easier! Flying an approach, the toughest thing is talking to ATC, it’s that easy. I also made me a pad that has my five “T” and my CRAFT in it for filling out info with atis runway and winds, two holds (listing inbound and oubound as well as “direct to”course, turns and entry) with one graphical overlay that depicts fix, courses and entry to make visualizing the hold easier. I did all this because of one key item that seems to get people but is used by pros,, cockpit/crew resource management, short word organized! A local ifr student who was an excellent flier bombed the checkright because of being completely disorganized. Sorry for the long dissertation!
I know how you feel under the hood. Just completed my 40 hours for my rating. Can't wait to see more IFR videos.
+Dillan Pilcher Cool - we're shooting more soon!
Such a great video - pretty much like all my IFR training too. Thanks for putting this out - it's pretty easy for folks to watch steveo1kinevo (who is awesome) and think IFR is a cake walk.. but a bit different in a TBM with autopilot and all the toys (yaw dampener? geesh). Nothing like a Cessna 172 to keep you humble.
I had to return to watch this one again. Funnier than cat videos. Am there.... doing that. Flew under the hood the other day in a the official FAA term "sucky" windy day. Busy airport @ 20 T-6 Texans landing and taking off in all directions. I was task saturated. Got squeezed on the downwind... Low on and wide on the approach. I laugh at your pain, so I can cry at mine.
I'm not instrument rated, but as a private pilot doing hood time, as well as doing 10 hours in a sim for instrument flight procedures is exhausting.
I like the sim time, good keep doing various instrument approaches and holds. Also, a nice tiring workout is instrument failures. I got good at it. Another instructor didn't realize I did that particular lesson ahead of time with a different instructor, and I caught and isolated all of his instrument failures very quick.
Dam you pointing out that the a7s has that much dynamic range may have just sold me on that camera!
oishisakana Boom! :) Yes, we love shooting with that camera - it really is a game changer.
I have not read the multitude of comments on your video but during the early days of my IFR training I do not find flying approaches using the plates on the iPad very efficient. I understand it if you're a seasoned veteran and familiar with the approach being flown but, for me, I find having a paper plate clipped to the yoke right in front of me far more efficient during the 'brief' phase of the hold/approach. A yoke mount for my Mini isn't good because the Mini still obstructs too much of the PFD, etc.
GREAT video!
Rod Boone Thanks Rod - I agree on all counts. We're working on a training syllabus that will have me learning both the old and new way.
That instructor is just friggin awesome..!
Ooops! I just commented that you were running to conversation tracts at the same time. Turns out I accidentally had opened two windows with two going at once. Disregard my last comment. :) Please keep making these videos, I love them.
Ron Cereghino Thanks
Excellent job by you. Dennis is amazing
I can identify with the opening statement. Flew a SID to 3 approaches, two of them circling, with holding after the first climbout, on Friday, in a King Air 200. First time flying an IFR profile since July... first time in a multiengine plane... it was... interesting. Haha!
Daniel Jackson I'd love to fly a King Air! how was that your first multi? That's awesome.
I should've clarified, first IFR in a multiengine, I've been flying the C-12 since April. It's an interesting plane, not as fun as a T-6 Texan II or a Bell TH-57 Sea Ranger but it's definitely not a bad plane. Plenty of power and it's pretty forgiving.