This was a very intriguing and yet horrific case about two military men who once were close friends and then their friendship ended tragically. I believe Lt. Colonel Rutherford had two serious medical issues one was his head injuries and also PTSD. I think this is probably what lead to him killing Maj. Seton. Do you know whatever happened to Mrs. Rutherford beyond her divorce and remarriage? Also, whatever happened to the Rutherford children? Great investigation, presentation, backstory, illustrations, photos, and videos, too. Take care 🦋
Yes - a case that is very sad all around! there was a lot of evidence regarding Rutherford's insanity - it is interesting the jury only took five minutes to find for him. We think the evidence of the wife's extra-marital activioties also helped Rutherford - affairs by women were taken a dim view of. We believe the children stayed with their mother. She changed her name to her maiden name whilst she waited and tried, and waited and tried, to get a divorce. Then, she moved away. We think, but we are not sure, that she was still social! There is a picture (possibly of her - but not sure) in a woman's golf competition in the late 1920's. There she is referred to as MS Rutherford (but we could be wrong - the picture is not very clear). Thank you, as always!🙏
Wow!! The Rutherfords were from West Yorkshire!! I always love stories either from or about Yorkshire and people from there!! If Rutherford was in France, would it have been deemed a Crime Of Passion, I wonder?! This was a VERY sad situation for all those involved!! EXCELLENT video, as always, Robin and team!!💞👍❤👏💙💕
Thank you! 🙏ooooh! Good point! Would it have been considered a crime of passion? Hmmm! The defence stressed that he did not think she was havng an affair with Seton, because otherwise it would have been considered premeditated murder. But of course he did. Not sure if she was actually having an affair - the maid did not see anythingng untoward.Hmmm. 🤔
@@newsofthetimes I think Rutherford blamed Seton for the breakdown of his marriage and losing his family!! My theory is that Mrs Rutherford confided her woes to Seton, who tried to help her!! Unfortunately, Seton's "reward" for his efforts was to get murdered!! Was there anything going on between Seton and Mrs Rutherford?! I highly doubt it!! I think the Rutherford pair were VERY unhappy in their marriage, and Seton was caught in the crossfire, figuratively as well as literally!! I wonder what happened to the Rutherfords' numerous offspring?!🤔🤔
@@nadiabrook7871 Sorry Nadia - our previous comment did not take! (this happens on a crime channel). Yes, seton comes across almost fatherly in appearance. Her parents had disapproved of her marraige to Rutherford - maybe she did not feel she could go to them? You are probably right and Seton got caught in the middle. The trigger was a letter from Seton to her which Rutherford saw. We think that there were real mental health issues going on with Rutherford. Divorce alone is a super stressor. Add the war action he saw and coming home from the war to find he will no longer have his family must have pushed him over the edge. The whole thing is just very sad. 😥
@@newsofthetimes Don't worry re your previous comment!! It's happened to me numerous times!! I agree!! I think Rutherford was mentally unwell!! His outbursts of anger say it all!! I was shocked to discover that ANY soldier could be the target of his rage, even higher ranking officers!! He must've had quite the reputation among his fellow soldiers!! Yes, it was sad for all concerned!!
@@nadiabrook7871 Sorry for the delay - checking out the local markets! Yes, it is strange that that kind of behaviour was not called upon withn the army. Another subscriber commented on that too! It is hard toknow just what he suffered within the war. It was supposed to be so utterly awful.😥
Wow, that was an amazing story. Poor Mrs Rutherford. The man was clearly a malicious bully. And the wife had to wait so long to be rid of him. Sad tale. Thank you for the video, excellent job.
Thank you - glad you enjoyed! It is a convoluted story this one - made all the more infamous as it involved important personages. Both men were highly decorated. Seton was one step below Knighthood. Rutherford undoubtedly suffered much during the war-he was at the front. It was said he was "different" after his experiences there. Alice clearly underwent some kind of awful event with Rutherford as she goes frorm very loving letters to definite wantig a dovorce in a few months. She refers to physcial and mental torture from Rutherford -we do not know what that was and rutherford was not telling. Sad all around for both parties, and of course, the roll out impact on extended family and friends.😔
Quite right! He gave little away in court - it was all through the eyes of her letters to him. The defence stressed that he did not think she was having an affair with Seton, because if he had admitted that that was what he thought, the murder would have been considered premeditated. 🤔
yes, it really was. We have no information on the children. Rathr shocking that it took her years to finally get a divorce. Sad for him spending ten years in Broadmoor.😔
As always I did very much enjoyed your video. My heart goes out to Mrs Rutherford and children and the victim and family. I also think that the sentence was right. The only thing I didn't understand is how he was able to go off on lower rank soldiers (behavior unbecoming) or men of higher rank ( very inserbort) without being pulled into a court marcel. Maybe the UK had lost so many men it was looked over???? Any idea on your side of the pond? Thanks for sharing this with us. I look forward to your next video.
Interesting point! 👍yes, we wondered this too! It may be because this was in the throes of war? The UK (as did all the countries involved of course) lost so many men - he was an army medical officer at the front - maybe there just wasn't time to action this? We do not know - very good point! You are rght though - even in the Uk it would very def have been something that would normally be brought up. 🤔
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I do believe this man had a mental disability. He could have been suffering from PTSD. The fact still remains that he took another human's life. The punishment was adequate in this case. JMO. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you - very sad all around this case. It was surely preditated - do not think people in those days went around with loaded revolveres. He had left his bag at the station. The defence put on a strong case regarding his insanity plea - a risky move as they rarely come through. rather tragic all of this for all parties. 😔
It goes beyond that. I'm 64. My dad was affected very badly, as a solder in Europe. Would not go along with genocide. He grabbed my mother and bolted. Mum's uncle was hung publicly in the village. Because he didn't tell anyone where they were. He couldn't. He didn't know. Dad had problems fitting in. PTSD is very real. It hurts. Sometimes to the loved ones. I know. I still get help with my mental health over his. Just ring a lifeline, if you ever get stuck. A wonderful service. I did.
@@nancycurtis7315 Oh my. Thank you for sharing. 🙏so very very sorry to hear. How horrible for you. So many thanks for sharing and bringing to light the insidious nature of PTSD, We hope you have not found the story too upsetting. 🙏We try hard to bring to light some of the less glamourous stories too. This case was just so sad all around for everyone and had a ripple impact on many. 😔Thank you. We are aware a bit of some of the absolute horrors endured by soldiers duing ww1, but we confess we do not look too closely. It is just too horrific and too upsetting. We,, the team, sending light and light to you. thank you very much for sharing. 🙏It is a brave move, we know and we thank you and value it.
A frontal brain injury could have damaged Rutherford’s impulse control and also led to episodes of explosive violence, all the time leaving him ‘looking’ cognitively intact. Frontal lobe injuries are notorious for leaving a different person after the injury than the one who existed before it. It would be interesting to know if those close to Rutherford noticed significant differences in his personality following his head injury.
Excellent point!👍And yes, they actually did! There were two incidents. One was a rugby injury in which he was kicked in the head. The other injury was on the front where he was buried under shell fire. We do not know what injuries he sustained from that, but it was said that he was "different" after the event. The defence gave a lot of evidence supporting the insanity plea - that was taking a chance as they rarely come through. The difficulty of course is the conscious decison he made and the time it took for him to find Seton (not in his usual barracks as that was unavailable), trace seton, find seton, all the while bringing a loaded gun with with him. This was not a snap decision. However, the jury were really sympathetic - probably aided as well by the confessed other relations Alice was having (very dim view of adultery by women). Sad all around. It took the UK quite a while to better understand the lasting psychological damage soldiers underwent from the war.😔
Thank you! It was quite famous in its day - mostly because of the elevated persons involved - but we thought the stoy important. It gives a flavour of the complexities endured post world war 1. Sad. 😔
It is an odd case for sure - and one that can take on many different interpretations. He loaded the gun in advance and brought it wth him. It was not in his travelling case which was left at the station. Seton was not in his usual expected place - he was visiting his uncle. the uncle had to be traced to find seton Seton did not expect anything untoward and looked forward to seeing his old friend, albeit unexpectedly. This is not the actions of a guilty man (seton) So, there certainly is an element of premeditation on the part of rutherford. The question s whether his terrible experiences and medical ramifications created a scenario of impaired judgement at the time of the murder?🤔
Thank you very much. Enjoyed, as always.
Thank you! very glad yu liked! have an awesome weekend!🙌
Hey ...ive watched you Robin since you started. You've become better and more intriguing. Keep up the awesome work 👍
This was a very intriguing and yet horrific case about two military men who once were close friends and then their friendship ended tragically. I believe Lt. Colonel Rutherford had two serious medical issues one was his head injuries and also PTSD. I think this is probably what lead to him killing Maj. Seton. Do you know whatever happened to Mrs. Rutherford beyond her divorce and remarriage? Also, whatever happened to the Rutherford children? Great investigation, presentation, backstory, illustrations, photos, and videos, too. Take care 🦋
Yes - a case that is very sad all around! there was a lot of evidence regarding Rutherford's insanity - it is interesting the jury only took five minutes to find for him. We think the evidence of the wife's extra-marital activioties also helped Rutherford - affairs by women were taken a dim view of. We believe the children stayed with their mother. She changed her name to her maiden name whilst she waited and tried, and waited and tried, to get a divorce. Then, she moved away. We think, but we are not sure, that she was still social! There is a picture (possibly of her - but not sure) in a woman's golf competition in the late 1920's. There she is referred to as MS Rutherford (but we could be wrong - the picture is not very clear). Thank you, as always!🙏
Wow!! The Rutherfords were from West Yorkshire!! I always love stories either from or about Yorkshire and people from there!!
If Rutherford was in France, would it have been deemed a Crime Of Passion, I wonder?!
This was a VERY sad situation for all those involved!!
EXCELLENT video, as always, Robin and team!!💞👍❤👏💙💕
Thank you! 🙏ooooh! Good point! Would it have been considered a crime of passion? Hmmm! The defence stressed that he did not think she was havng an affair with Seton, because otherwise it would have been considered premeditated murder. But of course he did. Not sure if she was actually having an affair - the maid did not see anythingng untoward.Hmmm. 🤔
@@newsofthetimes I think Rutherford blamed Seton for the breakdown of his marriage and losing his family!! My theory is that Mrs Rutherford confided her woes to Seton, who tried to help her!! Unfortunately, Seton's "reward" for his efforts was to get murdered!!
Was there anything going on between Seton and Mrs Rutherford?! I highly doubt it!! I think the Rutherford pair were VERY unhappy in their marriage, and Seton was caught in the crossfire, figuratively as well as literally!!
I wonder what happened to the Rutherfords' numerous offspring?!🤔🤔
@@nadiabrook7871 Sorry Nadia - our previous comment did not take! (this happens on a crime channel). Yes, seton comes across almost fatherly in appearance. Her parents had disapproved of her marraige to Rutherford - maybe she did not feel she could go to them? You are probably right and Seton got caught in the middle. The trigger was a letter from Seton to her which Rutherford saw. We think that there were real mental health issues going on with Rutherford. Divorce alone is a super stressor. Add the war action he saw and coming home from the war to find he will no longer have his family must have pushed him over the edge. The whole thing is just very sad. 😥
@@newsofthetimes Don't worry re your previous comment!! It's happened to me numerous times!!
I agree!! I think Rutherford was mentally unwell!! His outbursts of anger say it all!! I was shocked to discover that ANY soldier could be the target of his rage, even higher ranking officers!! He must've had quite the reputation among his fellow soldiers!!
Yes, it was sad for all concerned!!
@@nadiabrook7871 Sorry for the delay - checking out the local markets! Yes, it is strange that that kind of behaviour was not called upon withn the army. Another subscriber commented on that too! It is hard toknow just what he suffered within the war. It was supposed to be so utterly awful.😥
Wow, that was an amazing story. Poor Mrs Rutherford. The man was clearly a malicious bully. And the wife had to wait so long to be rid of him. Sad tale. Thank you for the video, excellent job.
Thank you - glad you enjoyed! It is a convoluted story this one - made all the more infamous as it involved important personages. Both men were highly decorated. Seton was one step below Knighthood. Rutherford undoubtedly suffered much during the war-he was at the front. It was said he was "different" after his experiences there. Alice clearly underwent some kind of awful event with Rutherford as she goes frorm very loving letters to definite wantig a dovorce in a few months. She refers to physcial and mental torture from Rutherford -we do not know what that was and rutherford was not telling. Sad all around for both parties, and of course, the roll out impact on extended family and friends.😔
Enjoyed Robin and team.
Thank you as always!!🙌
Cheating always leads to no good.
Quite right! He gave little away in court - it was all through the eyes of her letters to him. The defence stressed that he did not think she was having an affair with Seton, because if he had admitted that that was what he thought, the murder would have been considered premeditated. 🤔
Sad on all counts.
yes, it really was. We have no information on the children. Rathr shocking that it took her years to finally get a divorce. Sad for him spending ten years in Broadmoor.😔
As always I did very much enjoyed your video. My heart goes out to Mrs Rutherford and children and the victim and family. I also think that the sentence was right. The only thing I didn't understand is how he was able to go off on lower rank soldiers (behavior unbecoming) or men of higher rank ( very inserbort) without being pulled into a court marcel. Maybe the UK had lost so many men it was looked over???? Any idea on your side of the pond? Thanks for sharing this with us. I look forward to your next video.
Interesting point! 👍yes, we wondered this too! It may be because this was in the throes of war? The UK (as did all the countries involved of course) lost so many men - he was an army medical officer at the front - maybe there just wasn't time to action this? We do not know - very good point! You are rght though - even in the Uk it would very def have been something that would normally be brought up. 🤔
I'm finally 'up to date'! Watched all of your videos up to this point :). Been a pleasure and looking forward to the ones to come. 💯
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I do believe this man had a mental disability. He could have been suffering from PTSD. The fact still remains that he took another human's life. The punishment was adequate in this case. JMO. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you - very sad all around this case. It was surely preditated - do not think people in those days went around with loaded revolveres. He had left his bag at the station. The defence put on a strong case regarding his insanity plea - a risky move as they rarely come through. rather tragic all of this for all parties. 😔
PTSD does not play. It can happen to anyone.
It took a long time for this to be understood. The soldiers of ww1 underwent unimagnable horrors. 😔
It goes beyond that. I'm 64. My dad was affected very badly, as a solder in Europe. Would not go along with genocide. He grabbed my mother and bolted. Mum's uncle was hung publicly in the village. Because he didn't tell anyone where they were. He couldn't. He didn't know. Dad had problems fitting in. PTSD is very real. It hurts. Sometimes to the loved ones. I know. I still get help with my mental health over his. Just ring a lifeline, if you ever get stuck. A wonderful service. I did.
@@nancycurtis7315 Oh my. Thank you for sharing. 🙏so very very sorry to hear. How horrible for you. So many thanks for sharing and bringing to light the insidious nature of PTSD, We hope you have not found the story too upsetting. 🙏We try hard to bring to light some of the less glamourous stories too. This case was just so sad all around for everyone and had a ripple impact on many. 😔Thank you. We are aware a bit of some of the absolute horrors endured by soldiers duing ww1, but we confess we do not look too closely. It is just too horrific and too upsetting. We,, the team, sending light and light to you. thank you very much for sharing. 🙏It is a brave move, we know and we thank you and value it.
A frontal brain injury could have damaged Rutherford’s impulse control and also led to episodes of explosive violence, all the time leaving him ‘looking’ cognitively intact. Frontal lobe injuries are notorious for leaving a different person after the injury than the one who existed before it. It would be interesting to know if those close to Rutherford noticed significant differences in his personality following his head injury.
I was thinking 🤔 the same thing
Excellent point!👍And yes, they actually did! There were two incidents. One was a rugby injury in which he was kicked in the head. The other injury was on the front where he was buried under shell fire. We do not know what injuries he sustained from that, but it was said that he was "different" after the event. The defence gave a lot of evidence supporting the insanity plea - that was taking a chance as they rarely come through. The difficulty of course is the conscious decison he made and the time it took for him to find Seton (not in his usual barracks as that was unavailable), trace seton, find seton, all the while bringing a loaded gun with with him. This was not a snap decision. However, the jury were really sympathetic - probably aided as well by the confessed other relations Alice was having (very dim view of adultery by women). Sad all around. It took the UK quite a while to better understand the lasting psychological damage soldiers underwent from the war.😔
A Good Presentation as usual 👋
Thank you! It was quite famous in its day - mostly because of the elevated persons involved - but we thought the stoy important. It gives a flavour of the complexities endured post world war 1. Sad. 😔
seems like he was an arrogant man, a bully who got away with murder ?
It is an odd case for sure - and one that can take on many different interpretations.
He loaded the gun in advance and brought it wth him.
It was not in his travelling case which was left at the station.
Seton was not in his usual expected place - he was visiting his uncle.
the uncle had to be traced to find seton
Seton did not expect anything untoward and looked forward to seeing his old friend, albeit unexpectedly. This is not the actions of a guilty man (seton)
So, there certainly is an element of premeditation on the part of rutherford. The question s whether his terrible experiences and medical ramifications created a scenario of impaired judgement at the time of the murder?🤔