Hi Local Ice Man, I just enjoyed watching your video showing the details of your ice rink floor system. You commented initially that you are not familiar with all of the details, which I totally respect. Personally, I have been in the ice rink floor business for the past 40 years in Canada. Just for clarification, in my opinion the accessible headers and return bends, as you have in your facility is the best way to go if possible. Even if polyfused HD piping is used, the lines in the floor can be damaged, ie; a hole drilled into a pipe, or some of the pipes can be plugged with a gradual build up of rust or debris in the brine system. Your accessible rink pipe connections will pay huge dividends when you have to repair these types of problems, and these problems will occur. With a buried header system the repair costs and system down time will be catastrophic. My suggestion is to always have an accessible header system and return bends. Thank you, Roger Hale - Saskatoon
Have a question: Why not run a pipe inside a pipe? The pipe running the coolant is the inside pipe, and the outside pipe allows for expansion and contractions? Concrete is corrosive on steel. The air between is cooled naturally by the coolant pipe. I'm not an expert. I just got interested in hockey this year. Was just wondering how things work. Thank you for your time and video.
Absolutely love your channel dudes helps me so much as head of maintenance at an ice rink. Do you think you could do a video on repairing the rusted sheet metal on the Zamboni and or repainting repairing the rust spots etc etc. that would be awesome
Thanks alot. Appreciate it. For sure. I know the 500 needs some work. Might be some time though but I will keep it in mind. Check out the goal frame painting videos for now. I use a wire brush attachment to grind rust and paint off the goal frames. That's where I would probably start.
Ice Rink Diaries Okay sweet deal man sounds good I will check that out. Both of our Zams are 500’s. you are the man dude. You save us with some of these vids.
Can you make a video of you turning on your plant, building ice and painting whenever that time comes for you? I'm going to be responsible for that process here at my local rink Oct. 1st and the only experience I have was helping during last years install where I just pulled the hose and walked the boom. I'm pretty intimidated to be "in charge" of that process this year with very little experience so a step by step video from you could potentially teach me a lot!
Yes for sure planing when to and if we put the ice back in. We are suppose to put it in some time in August but things are not looking good for the non-profit that runs us. They may have to walk away for the building. I hope things turn around soon.
@@YourLocalIceMan Oh no! I was going through a similar situation. My rink was closing down for good due to covid but our youth hockey organization was able to come to an agreement with the city park and rec and they're now taking over management and operation costs. So I'll have a new "employer" but thankfully we're planning on installing ice Oct. 1st. Fingers crossed everything works out for you, I really enjoy your videos! Also, thank you for responding! Stay safe!
hi there, I would very much appreciate if you could give me an answer. In my project, I can't place all the refrigeration plant (250m2 or 2700 square feet) in the same floor as the ice field for reasons of space. I could place 50m2 (550 square feet) in the ice field level and the rest (200m2) in the floor directly above. Or I could put it all together in the floor above. What of the two options makes more sense in your opinion? If placed in two levels, roughly what would make sense to locate in each? im considering an indirect CO2 transcritical system. Any input would be very appreciated.
Is this what you are showing the collector pipes/canal? if so, is it usually located only along one of the short sides of the rink? do i understand well this is located along one of the short sides close to the refrigeration plant?
So which part allows you to keep the ice in longer? In my rink, they say we have to take it out every summer or it will kill it More questions, for those that have header pipes in the middle of the rink, where is the return pipe? Also, what is brime?
I think you where referring to me saying we maybe have less problems by not taking the ice out much. Just with the fittings I guess. But there are other problems that arise by not taking it out. Like frost build up. The charge and return pipes would be in an insulated trench to the refrigerator room. Brine is the solution made up of calcium chloride and water that is pumped in the cooling slad apose to the refrigerate itself. Glycol is used nowadays instead of brine.
my local rink here in Australia is open all year round, even during summer with 40c (105f) days and its basically in a shed so i dont know why summer would be a problem
@@dylanporter6720 My boss said that (and I don't know if it's true) if we wouldn't melt, it would create some type of permafrost and kill the concrete, which they wouldn't have money to replace
@@dylanporter6720 sorry not sure what you mean by problem. Only thing I can think is that takes more emnery to keep it cold in the summer months. Are you referring to something specific I said?
@@avrumilorkis728 yes I but I think that's what sub floor heat is suppose to prevent. Not too sure if it prevents it all. I was told at STAR training that it takes one week for every year of operation to melt permafrost. 5 years = 5 weeks. Not sure again if that takes inaccount sub floor heat. Also permafrost can push up since water expands and heave the concrete.
Made it really easy for me to follow along and learn. Am a refrigeration apprentice but never got a chance to work on a rink. Thanks man this was cool
Hi Local Ice Man, I just enjoyed watching your video showing the details of your ice rink floor system.
You commented initially that you are not familiar with all of the details, which I totally respect. Personally, I have been in the ice rink floor business for the past 40 years in Canada.
Just for clarification, in my opinion the accessible headers and return bends, as you have in your facility is the best way to go if possible. Even if polyfused HD piping is used, the lines in the floor can be damaged, ie; a hole drilled into a pipe, or some of the pipes can be plugged with a gradual build up of rust or debris in the brine system. Your accessible rink pipe connections will pay huge dividends when you have to repair these types of problems, and these problems will occur. With a buried header system the repair costs and system down time will be catastrophic. My suggestion is to always have an accessible header system and return bends. Thank you, Roger Hale - Saskatoon
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Have a question: Why not run a pipe inside a pipe? The pipe running the coolant is the inside pipe, and the outside pipe allows for expansion and contractions? Concrete is corrosive on steel. The air between is cooled naturally by the coolant pipe. I'm not an expert. I just got interested in hockey this year. Was just wondering how things work. Thank you for your time and video.
Also, thanks for another quality video! I learned a ton
Absolutely love your channel dudes helps me so much as head of maintenance at an ice rink. Do you think you could do a video on repairing the rusted sheet metal on the Zamboni and or repainting repairing the rust spots etc etc. that would be awesome
Thanks alot. Appreciate it. For sure. I know the 500 needs some work. Might be some time though but I will keep it in mind. Check out the goal frame painting videos for now. I use a wire brush attachment to grind rust and paint off the goal frames. That's where I would probably start.
Ice Rink Diaries Okay sweet deal man sounds good I will check that out.
Both of our Zams are 500’s. you are the man dude. You save us with some of these vids.
Can you make a video of you turning on your plant, building ice and painting whenever that time comes for you? I'm going to be responsible for that process here at my local rink Oct. 1st and the only experience I have was helping during last years install where I just pulled the hose and walked the boom. I'm pretty intimidated to be "in charge" of that process this year with very little experience so a step by step video from you could potentially teach me a lot!
Yes for sure planing when to and if we put the ice back in. We are suppose to put it in some time in August but things are not looking good for the non-profit that runs us. They may have to walk away for the building. I hope things turn around soon.
@@YourLocalIceMan Oh no! I was going through a similar situation. My rink was closing down for good due to covid but our youth hockey organization was able to come to an agreement with the city park and rec and they're now taking over management and operation costs. So I'll have a new "employer" but thankfully we're planning on installing ice Oct. 1st. Fingers crossed everything works out for you, I really enjoy your videos! Also, thank you for responding! Stay safe!
hi there, I would very much appreciate if you could give me an answer. In my project, I can't place all the refrigeration plant (250m2 or 2700 square feet) in the same floor as the ice field for reasons of space. I could place 50m2 (550 square feet) in the ice field level and the rest (200m2) in the floor directly above. Or I could put it all together in the floor above. What of the two options makes more sense in your opinion? If placed in two levels, roughly what would make sense to locate in each? im considering an indirect CO2 transcritical system. Any input would be very appreciated.
Is this what you are showing the collector pipes/canal? if so, is it usually located only along one of the short sides of the rink? do i understand well this is located along one of the short sides close to the refrigeration plant?
Sometimes fusion pipes or hoses together instead of pipe clamps might be worse cause what you fuse together sometimes weakens it
Is it okay if we don't pour concrete if the cooling pipes are open?
I'm watching TH-cam but my eyelids keep wanting to close lol
May I ask what the heating tubes below the foam insulation layer are for?
To keep the ground below the cooling slab from freezing. If the ground below the slab freezes it can push up on the rink floor making it uneven.
Is r22 common in the US? it is quickly dying out in Australia
It’s tough to come by here as well.
So which part allows you to keep the ice in longer? In my rink, they say we have to take it out every summer or it will kill it
More questions, for those that have header pipes in the middle of the rink, where is the return pipe?
Also, what is brime?
I think you where referring to me saying we maybe have less problems by not taking the ice out much. Just with the fittings I guess. But there are other problems that arise by not taking it out. Like frost build up.
The charge and return pipes would be in an insulated trench to the refrigerator room.
Brine is the solution made up of calcium chloride and water that is pumped in the cooling slad apose to the refrigerate itself. Glycol is used nowadays instead of brine.
my local rink here in Australia is open all year round, even during summer with 40c (105f) days and its basically in a shed so i dont know why summer would be a problem
@@dylanporter6720 My boss said that (and I don't know if it's true) if we wouldn't melt, it would create some type of permafrost and kill the concrete, which they wouldn't have money to replace
@@dylanporter6720 sorry not sure what you mean by problem. Only thing I can think is that takes more emnery to keep it cold in the summer months. Are you referring to something specific I said?
@@avrumilorkis728 yes I but I think that's what sub floor heat is suppose to prevent. Not too sure if it prevents it all. I was told at STAR training that it takes one week for every year of operation to melt permafrost. 5 years = 5 weeks. Not sure again if that takes inaccount sub floor heat. Also permafrost can push up since water expands and heave the concrete.